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	<title>Comments on: The People Of Vaucluse Said No To Building A Race Track In Their Area, Member Of Parliament Cynthia Forde Said No &amp; The Chief Town Planner Said No, But The Development Continues Anyway ~ Does Anyone Know Who Said YES!</title>
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		<title>By: Update:Vaucluse Raceway Saga Continues ~ Where Is The Checkered Flag? &#171; Barbados Underground - bringing the news to the people</title>
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		<dc:creator>Update:Vaucluse Raceway Saga Continues ~ Where Is The Checkered Flag? &#171; Barbados Underground - bringing the news to the people</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: tigi</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just want to make a couple of observations. First off, I am a tourist....love us or hate us, but, my husband and I are from the U.S. and have been visiting Barbados for about 15 or more years. We love the country and the people. We just returned from Barbados a week ago and for the first time we went to Bushy Park and watched the races. We loved it!!! The day Tropical storm Olga visited the island we set off to visit Vaucluse. We found it and had a quick look.  It seemed to be in a relatively quiet area. I hope when we return next year we can watch an event at Vaucluse. I am not suggesting that I have any say in what&#039;s best for Barbados...I don&#039;t... but when we saw the dramatic increase in building along the west coast that was going on this year, I would be more concerned with the inevitable traffic mess you will have to deal with in years to come. My husband and I both enjoy track driving here in the U.S. in an event we call Auto Cross and we even drove our rental car around Bushy Park when no one was there!! We hope the outcome at Vaucluse is what the majority want,,,as it should be....but, I think you could do much worse than a track where people enjoy a sport that certainly beats  so many other things. Just think....you could have a WalMart in every town like we do here.....then you&#039;d know what misery is!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just want to make a couple of observations. First off, I am a tourist&#8230;.love us or hate us, but, my husband and I are from the U.S. and have been visiting Barbados for about 15 or more years. We love the country and the people. We just returned from Barbados a week ago and for the first time we went to Bushy Park and watched the races. We loved it!!! The day Tropical storm Olga visited the island we set off to visit Vaucluse. We found it and had a quick look.  It seemed to be in a relatively quiet area. I hope when we return next year we can watch an event at Vaucluse. I am not suggesting that I have any say in what&#8217;s best for Barbados&#8230;I don&#8217;t&#8230; but when we saw the dramatic increase in building along the west coast that was going on this year, I would be more concerned with the inevitable traffic mess you will have to deal with in years to come. My husband and I both enjoy track driving here in the U.S. in an event we call Auto Cross and we even drove our rental car around Bushy Park when no one was there!! We hope the outcome at Vaucluse is what the majority want,,,as it should be&#8230;.but, I think you could do much worse than a track where people enjoy a sport that certainly beats  so many other things. Just think&#8230;.you could have a WalMart in every town like we do here&#8230;..then you&#8217;d know what misery is!!</p>
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		<title>By: U. Goodenough</title>
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		<dc:creator>U. Goodenough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David
I have just sent a 2 large emails with attachments. A third will come in a few moments of the yesterday photos Kindly confirm receipt? 

This is the info you want. If I may say so it&#039;s a really big story, but long too. Hope you&#039;ll carry it, and the readers will read it. 

Thank you. God bless Dukes, St. Thomas, and the citizens of Barbados. We do this for these people, not for any other reason.

May we have peace all in our respective homelands.
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Exodus 20:13&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David<br />
I have just sent a 2 large emails with attachments. A third will come in a few moments of the yesterday photos Kindly confirm receipt? </p>
<p>This is the info you want. If I may say so it&#8217;s a really big story, but long too. Hope you&#8217;ll carry it, and the readers will read it. </p>
<p>Thank you. God bless Dukes, St. Thomas, and the citizens of Barbados. We do this for these people, not for any other reason.</p>
<p>May we have peace all in our respective homelands.<br />
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Exodus 20:13</strong></p>
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		<title>By: frankology</title>
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		<dc:creator>frankology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you confirming that two applications for development have been submitted to Town Planning?
Are you also confirming that to date they have not been given approval?
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Waterboy, you seems to miss the point.  Applications were made in 2000 and 2001 for widening of the existing cart roads and rebuilding an existing bridge that was build over 75 years.  
The other was to change to recreational use.

A friend of UG went to TCP and see the same applications that I peruse today.  These applications do not contain any statements of acceptance or denial.  It only contain stamp of acceptance.
I dealt with a senior personnel within the TCP and was inform of TCP Operating Procedures.

I was told if this matter was not approved or the application was not in an advance stage of being approved, then, an enforcement order will be eminent.  It was also confirm that no orders were ever  issued to stop this development, due to no fixed structures are on the property.  What he is saying that the developer can continue doing what he is doing once things remain the same without any construction.  I was advised that the  laying of marl will not contravene any illegal action.

He dealt with another issue, stating if the developer had a change of use to be a housing development, and the developer was laying down roads with curbs and utilities, possibly, that developer have intentions to start construction of homes.  You are dealing with fixed roads with utilities in place.  Vaucluse matter is different, the only fixed property is the fencing surrounding the property and the developer has all rights to protect his property.

All the lies about stop orders being issued are all lies, you are a wise guy and you know &#039;enforcement ties in with the policing&#039; yet, you prefer to accept the one sided issue of UG.
Twenty years from now UG will be singing the same tune.  Probably, he might convince you so much that you might start humming the same tune.

I did my investigation, I visited the TCP, I spoke to one of the top officials, if you Waterboy has any doubts, visit the TCP before commenting based on empathy. 

By the way, Bushy Park is still awaiting approval from the TCP.  The problem is the residents who are extremely close to the action, understand motorsports bieng vital to the sporting community.

I wonder if the &#039;change of use&#039; was for an upscale development, if we will be hearing a financial tune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you confirming that two applications for development have been submitted to Town Planning?<br />
Are you also confirming that to date they have not been given approval?<br />
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Waterboy, you seems to miss the point.  Applications were made in 2000 and 2001 for widening of the existing cart roads and rebuilding an existing bridge that was build over 75 years.<br />
The other was to change to recreational use.</p>
<p>A friend of UG went to TCP and see the same applications that I peruse today.  These applications do not contain any statements of acceptance or denial.  It only contain stamp of acceptance.<br />
I dealt with a senior personnel within the TCP and was inform of TCP Operating Procedures.</p>
<p>I was told if this matter was not approved or the application was not in an advance stage of being approved, then, an enforcement order will be eminent.  It was also confirm that no orders were ever  issued to stop this development, due to no fixed structures are on the property.  What he is saying that the developer can continue doing what he is doing once things remain the same without any construction.  I was advised that the  laying of marl will not contravene any illegal action.</p>
<p>He dealt with another issue, stating if the developer had a change of use to be a housing development, and the developer was laying down roads with curbs and utilities, possibly, that developer have intentions to start construction of homes.  You are dealing with fixed roads with utilities in place.  Vaucluse matter is different, the only fixed property is the fencing surrounding the property and the developer has all rights to protect his property.</p>
<p>All the lies about stop orders being issued are all lies, you are a wise guy and you know &#8216;enforcement ties in with the policing&#8217; yet, you prefer to accept the one sided issue of UG.<br />
Twenty years from now UG will be singing the same tune.  Probably, he might convince you so much that you might start humming the same tune.</p>
<p>I did my investigation, I visited the TCP, I spoke to one of the top officials, if you Waterboy has any doubts, visit the TCP before commenting based on empathy. </p>
<p>By the way, Bushy Park is still awaiting approval from the TCP.  The problem is the residents who are extremely close to the action, understand motorsports bieng vital to the sporting community.</p>
<p>I wonder if the &#8216;change of use&#8217; was for an upscale development, if we will be hearing a financial tune.</p>
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		<title>By: 4morevalves</title>
		<link>http://bajan.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/the-people-of-vaucluse-said-no-to-the-building-of-a-race-track-in-their-area-member-of-parliament-cynthia-forde-said-no-the-chief-town-planner-said-no-but-the-development-continues-anyway-does-any/#comment-13360</link>
		<dc:creator>4morevalves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have absolutely no idea what applications are there from what aren&#039;t there. No one is trying to confuse any issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have absolutely no idea what applications are there from what aren&#8217;t there. No one is trying to confuse any issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Waterboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waterboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 23:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frankology // November 23, 2007 at 4:30 pm 
The two applications you are speaking about do not have ‘No Approval”. If it was ‘no approval’ the next step would have been ‘enforcement’, that did not occur, Why?, because none were ever issued.
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Frankology and 4morevalves,
Are you confirming that two applications for development have been submitted  to Town Planning?
Are you also confirming that to date they have not been given approval? 
Your comments continue on and on about enforcement orders and stop orders. What we are interested in is whether the developer is proceeding without approval. Quite simple and on that count I think we are starting to believe Goodenough because the two of you are just trying to confuse the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frankology // November 23, 2007 at 4:30 pm<br />
The two applications you are speaking about do not have ‘No Approval”. If it was ‘no approval’ the next step would have been ‘enforcement’, that did not occur, Why?, because none were ever issued.<br />
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Frankology and 4morevalves,<br />
Are you confirming that two applications for development have been submitted  to Town Planning?<br />
Are you also confirming that to date they have not been given approval?<br />
Your comments continue on and on about enforcement orders and stop orders. What we are interested in is whether the developer is proceeding without approval. Quite simple and on that count I think we are starting to believe Goodenough because the two of you are just trying to confuse the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: frankology</title>
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		<dc:creator>frankology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one is changing, you made statements, I checked and found that your post is filled with untruths, yet you persist in speaking about &#039;stop orders&#039; that were never issued.   The Town Planning is in receipt of two applications, no enforcement orders are in effect now or in the past.   That is the  reason you avoid any discussion when asked for a copy of the &#039;enforcement&#039; or even write to the Chief Town Planner for the &#039;enforcement order&#039; which will be blank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is changing, you made statements, I checked and found that your post is filled with untruths, yet you persist in speaking about &#8217;stop orders&#8217; that were never issued.   The Town Planning is in receipt of two applications, no enforcement orders are in effect now or in the past.   That is the  reason you avoid any discussion when asked for a copy of the &#8216;enforcement&#8217; or even write to the Chief Town Planner for the &#8216;enforcement order&#8217; which will be blank.</p>
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		<title>By: U. Goodenough</title>
		<link>http://bajan.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/the-people-of-vaucluse-said-no-to-the-building-of-a-race-track-in-their-area-member-of-parliament-cynthia-forde-said-no-the-chief-town-planner-said-no-but-the-development-continues-anyway-does-any/#comment-13342</link>
		<dc:creator>U. Goodenough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is getting really bizarre. When the truth comes you&#039;ll change your number of valves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is getting really bizarre. When the truth comes you&#8217;ll change your number of valves.</p>
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		<title>By: frankology</title>
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		<dc:creator>frankology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Residents were never asked what they thought. Residents vested in land close by were never allowed comment. We were not informed. We sarted to complain as the noise and traffic escalated, and we became more aware that this was not recreational.
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Those are questions that should have been asked at any of the Town Hall Meetings.  

The two applications you are speaking about do not have &#039;No Approval&quot;.  If it was &#039;no approval&#039; the next step would have been &#039;enforcement&#039;, that did not occur, Why?, because none were ever issued.

Ms. Goodenough, I am giving you  the opportunity to write to the Chief Town Planner, copies to the Prime Minister, The Leader of the Opposition and the two representatives for the area, and state your concerns.  Demand another Town Hall Meeting, rally all your supporters and all of us will come to the meeting base on anonymity and we will hear  the concerns of the residents.   I look forward for a positive solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Residents were never asked what they thought. Residents vested in land close by were never allowed comment. We were not informed. We sarted to complain as the noise and traffic escalated, and we became more aware that this was not recreational.<br />
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Those are questions that should have been asked at any of the Town Hall Meetings.  </p>
<p>The two applications you are speaking about do not have &#8216;No Approval&#8221;.  If it was &#8216;no approval&#8217; the next step would have been &#8216;enforcement&#8217;, that did not occur, Why?, because none were ever issued.</p>
<p>Ms. Goodenough, I am giving you  the opportunity to write to the Chief Town Planner, copies to the Prime Minister, The Leader of the Opposition and the two representatives for the area, and state your concerns.  Demand another Town Hall Meeting, rally all your supporters and all of us will come to the meeting base on anonymity and we will hear  the concerns of the residents.   I look forward for a positive solution.</p>
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		<title>By: 4morevalves</title>
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		<dc:creator>4morevalves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still unsure why you&#039;re taking so many pictures. Up to now, no one on the forum has suggested that construction work of some sort hasn&#039;t been ongoing at Vaucluse. It&#039;s not like it&#039;s being hidden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still unsure why you&#8217;re taking so many pictures. Up to now, no one on the forum has suggested that construction work of some sort hasn&#8217;t been ongoing at Vaucluse. It&#8217;s not like it&#8217;s being hidden.</p>
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		<title>By: U. Goodenough</title>
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		<dc:creator>U. Goodenough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have another photo of continuing illegal work going on at the site TODAY NOV 23 2007- a big truck dumping marl, bobcat, road-levelling large yellow machine thing. I&#039;ll try and post it at the myspace this evening, and work on getting more concrete evidence for the blogs to show.

This is hard to take- really overt, arrogant and oppressive behaviour.

And it&#039;s ILLEGAL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have another photo of continuing illegal work going on at the site TODAY NOV 23 2007- a big truck dumping marl, bobcat, road-levelling large yellow machine thing. I&#8217;ll try and post it at the myspace this evening, and work on getting more concrete evidence for the blogs to show.</p>
<p>This is hard to take- really overt, arrogant and oppressive behaviour.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s ILLEGAL.</p>
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		<title>By: 4morevalves</title>
		<link>http://bajan.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/the-people-of-vaucluse-said-no-to-the-building-of-a-race-track-in-their-area-member-of-parliament-cynthia-forde-said-no-the-chief-town-planner-said-no-but-the-development-continues-anyway-does-any/#comment-13322</link>
		<dc:creator>4morevalves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve told you already, I don&#039;t need to. I&#039;m not the one drawing the complaint.

If you accuse me of breaking into your house and stealing from you, the onus is on you to prove that I did. I&#039;m sure you understand where I&#039;m going with this.

And please don&#039;t confuse my knowledge of the use of the English language to be condescension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve told you already, I don&#8217;t need to. I&#8217;m not the one drawing the complaint.</p>
<p>If you accuse me of breaking into your house and stealing from you, the onus is on you to prove that I did. I&#8217;m sure you understand where I&#8217;m going with this.</p>
<p>And please don&#8217;t confuse my knowledge of the use of the English language to be condescension.</p>
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		<title>By: U. Goodenough</title>
		<link>http://bajan.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/the-people-of-vaucluse-said-no-to-the-building-of-a-race-track-in-their-area-member-of-parliament-cynthia-forde-said-no-the-chief-town-planner-said-no-but-the-development-continues-anyway-does-any/#comment-13316</link>
		<dc:creator>U. Goodenough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our citizen rep did just that.

When will you go down there, now that I have obeyed one of your condescending commands?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our citizen rep did just that.</p>
<p>When will you go down there, now that I have obeyed one of your condescending commands?</p>
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		<title>By: Waterboy</title>
		<link>http://bajan.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/the-people-of-vaucluse-said-no-to-the-building-of-a-race-track-in-their-area-member-of-parliament-cynthia-forde-said-no-the-chief-town-planner-said-no-but-the-development-continues-anyway-does-any/#comment-13315</link>
		<dc:creator>Waterboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>U Goodenough, as 4morevalves asked, will you or have you written to TCP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>U Goodenough, as 4morevalves asked, will you or have you written to TCP?</p>
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		<title>By: 4morevalves</title>
		<link>http://bajan.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/the-people-of-vaucluse-said-no-to-the-building-of-a-race-track-in-their-area-member-of-parliament-cynthia-forde-said-no-the-chief-town-planner-said-no-but-the-development-continues-anyway-does-any/#comment-13313</link>
		<dc:creator>4morevalves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>***&quot;Residents were never asked what they thought. Residents vested in land close by were never allowed comment. We were not informed.&quot;***
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How many more times must I mention TWO (2) Town Hall meetings being held before you stop writing bold-faced lies?!?
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***&quot;The kind gentleman also told us that all one is able to do is to look at the entries, but that is all you can get- no copies, no confirmations in writing unless you write to the Chief Town Planner.&quot;***
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When can we expect that you&#039;ll be writing to him then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***&#8221;Residents were never asked what they thought. Residents vested in land close by were never allowed comment. We were not informed.&#8221;***<br />
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How many more times must I mention TWO (2) Town Hall meetings being held before you stop writing bold-faced lies?!?<br />
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***&#8221;The kind gentleman also told us that all one is able to do is to look at the entries, but that is all you can get- no copies, no confirmations in writing unless you write to the Chief Town Planner.&#8221;***<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
When can we expect that you&#8217;ll be writing to him then?</p>
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		<title>By: U. Goodenough</title>
		<link>http://bajan.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/the-people-of-vaucluse-said-no-to-the-building-of-a-race-track-in-their-area-member-of-parliament-cynthia-forde-said-no-the-chief-town-planner-said-no-but-the-development-continues-anyway-does-any/#comment-13307</link>
		<dc:creator>U. Goodenough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Water boy, I am aware that the Minister must preside over land more than 2 acres. Also beachland. Yes, thank you for being interested. I&#039;m very sorry that it has no approval- we residents are scared of being swept away by the tide.

Establishing roads by retention signifies that TCP approval IS required. Asking for a change of use via a second TCP application is evidence that a change of use IS required.

Bloggers above are working hard to put up a smokescreen but the big brown books at Town and Country Planning tell everyone one the truth. The kind gentleman also told us that all one is able to do is to look at the entries, but that is all you can get- no copies, no confirmations in writing unless you write to the Chief Town Planner.

 2363/10/2000C &quot;Retention of the following: exti9nguishing of approximately 1556M of dirt road, establishment of 1682M of dirt road, with berms, upgrading of existing bridge to facilitate agricultural and motorsport activity.”
NO APPROVAL

2264/09/01C
“Change of use from agricultural to recreational (motorsport).”
NO APPROVAL

Now, onwards.

Establishing and &quot;extinguishing&#039; roads by retention is indicative that development occurred without request to TCP in the first place- illegally. Residents were never asked what they thought. Residents vested in land close by were never allowed comment. We were not informed. We sarted to complain as the noise and traffic escalated, and we became more aware that this was not recreational.

That is illegal in the very first place, and that is why we are coming forward to the present in chronological order. To try to show Barbados what has happened and why it is illegal, and why our request is so valid for being upheld.

We do not wish to destroy anyone. A nearby separate development to Dukes &quot;extinguished&quot; our long established right of passage to Holy Innocents. We would welcome a development close to us, but on the following terms:

Firstly, the requirements of Town Planning be upheld and respected. In this case namely that St. Thomas is a designated high rainfall agricultural area, and is designated to be conserved for agriculture. That is agricultural policy in Barbados and Town Planning. So this would need to be addressed.

Secondly, when a development is conceived, the residents&#039; lands would be considered and integrated as an ASSET to a development. Our villages are proud to have been existing for hundreds of years, and we are good citizens, better neighboursn than many recent immigrants. Rather than making walls and shutting us out as undesireable, we should be empowered by way of additional roads that link us to and within, and through, any site, such that our property values are enhanced and our dignity is increased. Is this wrong conceptually?

Also, any form of development that policy is changed to facilitate from agriculture should not disturb the enjoyment and peace of the existing resident communities, as this one has done, and wil do. That is important. If there is one point that my learned friend Frank is making that I wish to address it is this one.

And lastly for this post the change of use. Agriculture to Recreational. 

Is this against policy or not? also, should this not be &#039;commercial&#039;? Is this recreational for sport or is it a serious financial escapade being bulldozed across the fields?

All &#039;commercial&#039;, while the big losers are the original residents. Is this OK to approve on the basis of this logic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Water boy, I am aware that the Minister must preside over land more than 2 acres. Also beachland. Yes, thank you for being interested. I&#8217;m very sorry that it has no approval- we residents are scared of being swept away by the tide.</p>
<p>Establishing roads by retention signifies that TCP approval IS required. Asking for a change of use via a second TCP application is evidence that a change of use IS required.</p>
<p>Bloggers above are working hard to put up a smokescreen but the big brown books at Town and Country Planning tell everyone one the truth. The kind gentleman also told us that all one is able to do is to look at the entries, but that is all you can get- no copies, no confirmations in writing unless you write to the Chief Town Planner.</p>
<p> 2363/10/2000C &#8220;Retention of the following: exti9nguishing of approximately 1556M of dirt road, establishment of 1682M of dirt road, with berms, upgrading of existing bridge to facilitate agricultural and motorsport activity.”<br />
NO APPROVAL</p>
<p>2264/09/01C<br />
“Change of use from agricultural to recreational (motorsport).”<br />
NO APPROVAL</p>
<p>Now, onwards.</p>
<p>Establishing and &#8220;extinguishing&#8217; roads by retention is indicative that development occurred without request to TCP in the first place- illegally. Residents were never asked what they thought. Residents vested in land close by were never allowed comment. We were not informed. We sarted to complain as the noise and traffic escalated, and we became more aware that this was not recreational.</p>
<p>That is illegal in the very first place, and that is why we are coming forward to the present in chronological order. To try to show Barbados what has happened and why it is illegal, and why our request is so valid for being upheld.</p>
<p>We do not wish to destroy anyone. A nearby separate development to Dukes &#8220;extinguished&#8221; our long established right of passage to Holy Innocents. We would welcome a development close to us, but on the following terms:</p>
<p>Firstly, the requirements of Town Planning be upheld and respected. In this case namely that St. Thomas is a designated high rainfall agricultural area, and is designated to be conserved for agriculture. That is agricultural policy in Barbados and Town Planning. So this would need to be addressed.</p>
<p>Secondly, when a development is conceived, the residents&#8217; lands would be considered and integrated as an ASSET to a development. Our villages are proud to have been existing for hundreds of years, and we are good citizens, better neighboursn than many recent immigrants. Rather than making walls and shutting us out as undesireable, we should be empowered by way of additional roads that link us to and within, and through, any site, such that our property values are enhanced and our dignity is increased. Is this wrong conceptually?</p>
<p>Also, any form of development that policy is changed to facilitate from agriculture should not disturb the enjoyment and peace of the existing resident communities, as this one has done, and wil do. That is important. If there is one point that my learned friend Frank is making that I wish to address it is this one.</p>
<p>And lastly for this post the change of use. Agriculture to Recreational. </p>
<p>Is this against policy or not? also, should this not be &#8216;commercial&#8217;? Is this recreational for sport or is it a serious financial escapade being bulldozed across the fields?</p>
<p>All &#8216;commercial&#8217;, while the big losers are the original residents. Is this OK to approve on the basis of this logic?</p>
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		<title>By: 4morevalves</title>
		<link>http://bajan.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/the-people-of-vaucluse-said-no-to-the-building-of-a-race-track-in-their-area-member-of-parliament-cynthia-forde-said-no-the-chief-town-planner-said-no-but-the-development-continues-anyway-does-any/#comment-13298</link>
		<dc:creator>4morevalves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have not been able to deny Goodenough&#039;s allegation that they do not have permission.

As I&#039;ve said before, I have nothing to do with Vaucluse. I simply know people who compete and help organise some of the events held there.

If I had something to do with the place, I WOULD prove that permission was granted.

And we haven&#039;t brought in any &#039;red herrings&#039;. The enforcement notices were first brought up by none other than Ms. Goodenough. As she quoted in her OPENING post - &quot;Town Planning has issued both ‘Stop Orders’ and ‘Enforcement Orders’ on this development, but to no effect.&quot; We simply have repeatedly asked that if they exist, prove it.

I would sincerely doubt that the reputable companies you all claim are involved would risk moving ahead on such a large venture without some kind of go-ahead being granted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have not been able to deny Goodenough&#8217;s allegation that they do not have permission.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said before, I have nothing to do with Vaucluse. I simply know people who compete and help organise some of the events held there.</p>
<p>If I had something to do with the place, I WOULD prove that permission was granted.</p>
<p>And we haven&#8217;t brought in any &#8216;red herrings&#8217;. The enforcement notices were first brought up by none other than Ms. Goodenough. As she quoted in her OPENING post &#8211; &#8220;Town Planning has issued both ‘Stop Orders’ and ‘Enforcement Orders’ on this development, but to no effect.&#8221; We simply have repeatedly asked that if they exist, prove it.</p>
<p>I would sincerely doubt that the reputable companies you all claim are involved would risk moving ahead on such a large venture without some kind of go-ahead being granted.</p>
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		<title>By: frankology</title>
		<link>http://bajan.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/the-people-of-vaucluse-said-no-to-the-building-of-a-race-track-in-their-area-member-of-parliament-cynthia-forde-said-no-the-chief-town-planner-said-no-but-the-development-continues-anyway-does-any/#comment-13297</link>
		<dc:creator>frankology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again go and check the application like Goodenough did and let us know if he/she is a liar.
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I don&#039;t know which submissions you get this information from, but the language based on my checking of the statement from UG is,  &#039;a resident&#039; who visited the department.


Your Parliamentary representative should, be talking to the PM. The residents of the area should hold a Town Hall Meeting, invite the press, Parliamentary Representative, Town Planning Department etc. make sure you record everything at the meeting.
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You write one think and come back and strip up yourself.
&quot;What is the relevance of whether he attended the Town Hall Meeting and his questions answered properly?&quot;

Based on 4morevalves statement of two Town Hall Meetings, yet people failed to turn up and ask questions, then tell me.  What is the real issue?

WIV, Waterboy and UG.  These are facts, I love research and I love breaking down statements to get facts.  I check and here are my findings.

Under Barbados Law.  Anytime an enforcement Order is issued, it is valid for 28 days, that enforcement order must have a police officer present.   If an application has been submitted by someone, before or after the fact,  an enforcement order becomes null and void.  In UG&#039;s argument, the person saw two applications at TCP in 2000 and 2001.  He could not see any enforcement orders, because non were issued. 

This is over seven years and not one solid structure is on the compound, improving the land, (remember, there are no structures) is quite legal, because you are abiding by the law. 

I am asking again, UG, let the public know why you are against the racecourse?

No enforcement delivered, no problem with the Zone 4 water, Two Town Hall meeting and residents failed to turn up, 30 days of tekkin&#039; pictures.  And most of all...NO FACTS!.

I made my point and dunn wid dat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again go and check the application like Goodenough did and let us know if he/she is a liar.<br />
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I don&#8217;t know which submissions you get this information from, but the language based on my checking of the statement from UG is,  &#8216;a resident&#8217; who visited the department.</p>
<p>Your Parliamentary representative should, be talking to the PM. The residents of the area should hold a Town Hall Meeting, invite the press, Parliamentary Representative, Town Planning Department etc. make sure you record everything at the meeting.<br />
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You write one think and come back and strip up yourself.<br />
&#8220;What is the relevance of whether he attended the Town Hall Meeting and his questions answered properly?&#8221;</p>
<p>Based on 4morevalves statement of two Town Hall Meetings, yet people failed to turn up and ask questions, then tell me.  What is the real issue?</p>
<p>WIV, Waterboy and UG.  These are facts, I love research and I love breaking down statements to get facts.  I check and here are my findings.</p>
<p>Under Barbados Law.  Anytime an enforcement Order is issued, it is valid for 28 days, that enforcement order must have a police officer present.   If an application has been submitted by someone, before or after the fact,  an enforcement order becomes null and void.  In UG&#8217;s argument, the person saw two applications at TCP in 2000 and 2001.  He could not see any enforcement orders, because non were issued. </p>
<p>This is over seven years and not one solid structure is on the compound, improving the land, (remember, there are no structures) is quite legal, because you are abiding by the law. </p>
<p>I am asking again, UG, let the public know why you are against the racecourse?</p>
<p>No enforcement delivered, no problem with the Zone 4 water, Two Town Hall meeting and residents failed to turn up, 30 days of tekkin&#8217; pictures.  And most of all&#8230;NO FACTS!.</p>
<p>I made my point and dunn wid dat.</p>
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		<title>By: Waterboy</title>
		<link>http://bajan.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/the-people-of-vaucluse-said-no-to-the-building-of-a-race-track-in-their-area-member-of-parliament-cynthia-forde-said-no-the-chief-town-planner-said-no-but-the-development-continues-anyway-does-any/#comment-13296</link>
		<dc:creator>Waterboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4morevalves,

The point is not that they have been denied permission but from what Goodenough has said they do not have permission. They are proceeding unlawfully. Neither you nor Frankology have been able to deny that. And believe it or not I sincerely hope they have permission to develop and Goodenough is wrong. All I am interested in is that it is lawful. It will be another sad day for this country if the law is being breached by brazen acts. 

Town Hall Meetings are part of a process in determining whether the application will be approved, plain and simple. The fact that these meetings were held indicates that up to then they had no permission. Stop bringing in the red herring of “enforcement notices”. Either they have planning permission to develop or they do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4morevalves,</p>
<p>The point is not that they have been denied permission but from what Goodenough has said they do not have permission. They are proceeding unlawfully. Neither you nor Frankology have been able to deny that. And believe it or not I sincerely hope they have permission to develop and Goodenough is wrong. All I am interested in is that it is lawful. It will be another sad day for this country if the law is being breached by brazen acts. </p>
<p>Town Hall Meetings are part of a process in determining whether the application will be approved, plain and simple. The fact that these meetings were held indicates that up to then they had no permission. Stop bringing in the red herring of “enforcement notices”. Either they have planning permission to develop or they do not.</p>
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		<title>By: 4morevalves</title>
		<link>http://bajan.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/the-people-of-vaucluse-said-no-to-the-building-of-a-race-track-in-their-area-member-of-parliament-cynthia-forde-said-no-the-chief-town-planner-said-no-but-the-development-continues-anyway-does-any/#comment-13294</link>
		<dc:creator>4morevalves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really figure that EVERYONE in this island knows about this blog? I&#039;m willing to bet that those in charge of the racetrack DON&#039;T know about it.

And how do you know that those involved with Vaucluse are also involved with &#039;COW Williams et all&#039;?

Another question. IF TCP denied permission for ANY further development, how then were there TWO Town Hall meetings called?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really figure that EVERYONE in this island knows about this blog? I&#8217;m willing to bet that those in charge of the racetrack DON&#8217;T know about it.</p>
<p>And how do you know that those involved with Vaucluse are also involved with &#8216;COW Williams et all&#8217;?</p>
<p>Another question. IF TCP denied permission for ANY further development, how then were there TWO Town Hall meetings called?</p>
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