We are pleased to publish the following article by Dr. Justin Robinson. His article provides an in-dept analysis about the vexing and topical issue of the high cost of living in Barbados. We encourage the BU family to give the Doctor a warm welcome. We hope that he and his colleagues at the University of the West Indies are driven to write many more articles which would help the public of Barbados to grapple with some of the many issues which confront us.
Dr. Justin Robinson, Head, Department of Management Studies, UWI, Cave Hill holds a B.Sc in Management Studies (First Class Honours) (UWI), an M.Sc. in Finance and Econometrics (Florida International University) and a Ph.D. (Manchester). Dr. Robinson’s research interest are corporate financial management, derivatives, investments, risk management and financial market efficiency. He has published on these subjects in a number of international journals.
The cost of living is on the rise in Barbados and consumers are no doubt feeling the effects on their purchasing power. In a Nation newspaper article February 27, 2007, Decoursey Eversley of the Fair Trading Commission reports that there had been a twenty five percent (25%) increase in food prices over the last three years. There have certainly been further price increases since then and it’s no surprise that consumers are crying out, and there is a mad rush for solutions. The increase in prices is heavily influenced by the rising cost of oil and a surge in the prices of key commodities such as corn. These factors are beyond the control of any government and are driven by a complex set of factors relating to the rapid economic growth of places such as China, Brazil and India, fueling increased demand for energy and commodities, the increased cost of extracting oil, and the side effects of the rise of bio-fuels as a source of alternative energy among others. These trends are likely to continue for the foreseeable future and in my view require significant adjustments in the way governments, businesses and consumers operate. We may all have to make adjustments to our lifestyles and pay greater attention to our carbon footprints.
The general trend at times like these is to look for quick fixes, such as the recent agreement between the merchants and the government, as well as opposition calls for price controls. However, in my view the current situation should act as a catalyst for change, and we should take the opportunity to address the historic anti-competitive practices that have been widely talked about and deal with the high costs of doing business in Barbados generally.
Firstly, I want to express my views on price controls. The government and major retailers have entered into an agreement to reduce mark-ups on selected items. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck. This agreement looks like price controls on selected items to me. The text book economic analysis of price controls is well known and has been widely cited in public debate. Economic theory suggests that price controls are likely to result in shortages and alternative means of rationing scarce goods such as long lines and black markets.
Without getting too technical, the short term effects of price controls depend heavily on the elasticity of demand and supply. That is, how responsive is the quantity demanded and supplied to changes in price. Demand (supply) is seen as being relatively elastic if a small change in price leads to a relatively larger change in quantity demanded (supplied) and vice versa.
In cases where demand and supply are relatively inelastic (as it probably is for food items in the short-term) it may be quite tempting for a policy maker to go for price controls. Economic theory suggests that in the short-term, when demand and supply are inelastic, the effects of price controls are small. The inelastic demand suggests that consumers (voters) place a high value on the good (s) and with inelastic supply (goods have already been ordered and shipped to Barbados) it may take a while for shortages and other side effects to show up. In the short term any effects may likely be felt in the form of higher prices of unregulated goods and services, the quality of services offered as suppliers attempt to maintain their profit margins by cutting costs and so on. In the longer term (time for the next order of goods to be placed), however, supply (as well as demand) is relatively more elastic and the well documented effects of price controls are likely to kick in. In the longer term, shortages can become quite acute due to lower levels of investment in the price controlled areas. We certainly hope this current agreement is a short term policy!
However, I would add one caveat to the discussion on price controls to date. The text book discussion of price controls and their effects is largely based on an analysis of competitive markets. Where there is less competition and firms have power to affect prices, some of the traditional objections to price controls become less compelling. For economists who express concern about the loss of freedom resulting from price controls, a relevant question in this case is, “Whose freedom?”. The loss of freedom caused by price controls is that of firms who have been exploiting the consumers of their products. The reduced profit margins from the price controls are simply a way of redressing the excess profits previously earned by dominant firms. Economic theory in fact suggests that faced with firms enjoying market power a policy maker can constrain price without creating a shortage by setting a price ceiling where the marginal cost curve cuts the demand curve.
Regulators and policy makers seldom have good information on demand curves, cost curves and elasticities of demand and supply and can very easily get their policies wrong. To the best of my knowledge, there is very little hard data on these variables in Barbados and policy makers are likely shooting in the dark. It seems to me that if the lack of competition in the distributive sector makes a case for price controls, given the uncertainty surrounding the impact of price controls, one is likely to do less harm by adopting policies geared towards increasing the level of competition in the market
When we travel to the United States and the United Kingdom we are often taken with the range of choice consumers have and the levels of competition. I would like to suggest that this level of competition and consumer choice is not purely a matter of large market size and a higher level of economic development. Competition in those markets is ever so slightly encouraged by the regulatory stance taken in terms of competition policy. Competition revolves heavily around seeking to minimize the level of market concentration and hence market power enjoyed by firms, as well as seeking to monitor and deter anti-competitive practices. Anti-competitive practices include, exclusive dealing arrangements, predatory pricing (dumping), limiting access to essential facilities (interconnection in the cellular market), tying arrangements (if you want the tomatoes you have to buy the eddoes and yams as well) among others.
Regulators typically make a distinction between “Rule of Reason Offences” and “Per Se Offences”. In the case of “Rule of Reason Offences”, one must demonstrate that an offence has been committed, that harm has been done and that a better solution is available. The approval of mergers and acquisitions are a typical example of this. In the case of “Per Se Offences” one only has to show that the offence has been committed. Agreements to fix prices, divide markets between sellers, and to restrict or pool output are common examples of per se offences. I will now cite a few examples of competition policy.
The courts in the United States have typically taken a hard line against collusion between firms. The precedent setting case, (United States v. Trenton Potteries Co. et al) involved 23 manufacturers of bathroom fixtures who had conspired to fix prices. Through their trade association, the manufacturers published standardized price lists, met to consider prices, and pressured one another to sell only at list prices. When the association was brought to trial, it claimed that the agreement did not harm the public. The trial record supported this position, indicating that fixtures were often sold below the list price. However, the Supreme Court rejected the request for a rule of reason interpretation of price fixing. The justices argued that “the reasonable price fixed today may through economic and business changes become the unreasonable price of tomorrow. Agreements which create such potential power may well be held to be in themselves unreasonable or unlawful restraints without the necessity of minute inquiry whether a particular price is reasonable or unreasonable. Firms may be forced to abandon overt methods and settle for less easily detectable and less-efficient methods of collusion.”
In August 1989 a case was brought against some of the most prestigious private colleges in the United States. For the 1989-1990 academic year tuition, fees, and room and board were $19,310 at Yale while at Harvard they were $19,395. The totals at Dartmouth, Colombia, and the University of Pennsylvania were also within $100 of those at Harvard and Yale. A case was brought against the universities revolving around the accusation that an administrator at Harvard informed his counterpart at Yale that Harvard was contemplating raising tuition by 6% for the next year. Yale then used this information to set its own tuition rates and a number of other universities followed suit. In 1991, as part of a consent decree, the universities being investigated agreed to refrain from sharing tuition information. In a consent decree the defendants essentially say we did not do it but we won’t do it again. The government agrees not to prosecute and the deal cannot be used as evidence of guilt in other proceedings such as private antitrust suits.
In a more recent development, the Office of Fair Trading in the UK has just fined British Airways (BA) 269 million pounds for agreeing BA and Virgin Atlantic discussed the amount they would charge customers to cover the increases in the price of fuel. BA stands to lose millions more in the face of class action suits from affected passengers. I wonder if any travel agents, tour companies or individuals are going to be parties to any class action suits. There is also a role for private citizens and other organizations in bringing actions against anti-competitive behaviour as well. We must do our part.
These examples are meant to illustrate the critical importance of competition policy in countries that are not typically accused of being unfriendly to business. The high levels of competition and consumer choice we observe in these markets is not merely a function of market size and the invisible hand. Competition is given a nudge by the very visible hand of government. While the debate continues in the USA and the UK over the application of competition policy, many concur that the impact of competition policy has come not from the results of litigation, but from firms modifying their plans to avoid the costs and uncertainties of possible prosecution. This has served to moderate the levels of market concentration and anticompetitive behaviours and by extension increase competition and consumer choice.
What precisely is the nature of our regulatory stance in terms of competition policy in Barbados? There have been a number of allusions to high levels of market concentration and anti- competitive practices in Barbados, some coming from highly placed government officials. In a Nation newspaper article of 27 February 2007, referred to earlier, the FTC reports that there is “some level of monopolistic pricing and high levels of market concentration in the wholesale and distribution sector in Barbados.” In another Nation newspaper article of Thursday 29 March 2007 Minister of Commerce, Consumer Affairs and Business Development Senator Lynette Eastmond said the FTC would be looking into monopolies in certain brands and the “Miami connection.” She went on to say “We have to look at how prices reach the price they do reach by the time they land in Barbados.” Meanwhile, the Nation newspaper of 22 February 2007 quotes Senator Eastmond as referring to a “cartel” in the Banking industry in Barbados. A number of academic studies have confirmed the prevalence of interlocking directorates in Barbados. Interlocking directorates create much potential for collusive behaviour and are usually frowned upon by the authorities.
I would certainly like to see more definitive information from the FTC about levels of competition in various sectors of the Barbados economy as well as instances of anti-competitive behaviour. The debate should be based on hard data rather than speculation. The FTC is a relatively new body in Barbados and I certainly do not want to be overly critical. However, competition policy is a critical variable at this stage of our development and in my view our competition policy appears to have been rather tepid to date. Many have argued that in a small economy if firms are going to be large enough to reap economies of scale and compete with international giants we may have to accept relatively high levels of market concentration. If one accepts this position that relatively high levels of market concentration are inevitable in small economies, then there seems to be an even greater duty for the competition authority to aggressively police anti-competitive behaviour.
There are many initiatives that can be undertaken to address the level of prices in Barbados. We certainly need to address the cost of moving goods across our borders, the levels of taxes and other costs that affect doing business. However, in an environment where firms enjoy significant amounts of market power and anti-competitive behaviours are tolerated and go unpunished, why would one expect a fair share of these savings to be passed on to the consumer in the form of lower prices? In the absence of competition, the lion’s share of these savings can easily be added to the profit margins of suppliers. Maybe this is why the Minister of State in the Ministry of Finance did not expect prices to fall with the removal of the cess.
Price controls are at best a temporary solution to the high and rising cost of living in Barbados. Our best bet in terms of attaining sustainable reductions in the cost of living is to increase the level of competition in the market. Competition is a wonderful thing but it needs a helping hand from consumers and a strong competition authority.
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117 responses so far ↓
David // November 28, 2007 at 8:06 AM
It would be very interesting to get a response from Minister Lynette Eastmond or one of her technocrats like Director of Commerce Bascombe. Dr. Robinson’s submission is chilling in its admission that key fundamentals which our economy is currently anchored need to be shifted if we are to reposition the Barbados economy to sustain growth and competitiveness. The BU household is interested in the Doctor’s perspective on the role of the industry regulator- Fair Trading Commission. The failure of the FTC to release the Barbadians public from the juggernaut of the C&W full-nelson has now become a source of international embarrassment. They did approve the Price Gap Mechanism which is guaranteed to work in a market where robust competition must exist. C&W as the sole issuer of key telecom services has been allowed to reap high profit margins under the Price Gap Mechanism. The recent rumblings that the Barbados Light & Power is about to submit a case for a rate increase should cause Barbadians some more heartaches.
We are appreciative of the initiative to implement price controls on a basket of goods. Of equal concern is the sky rocketing rise in the price of services which is quickly eroding any benefits offered from the iniative. Utilities, professional fees, fees in the financial sector etc must be controlled.
After reading Dr. Robinson’s article it has confirmed our view that the current piece-meal approach to the kind of market we need to have in Barbados to ensure a fair pricing approach for goods and services is flawed. What we need in Barbados is for this important matter to no be politicized. We need to discuss and design a policy framework which will reposition Barbados in the global market, to ensure that we remain competitive and buffers are created to protect our small economy from the external shocks which are sure to continue.
Bush Tea // November 28, 2007 at 9:11 AM
David,
You see what could happen if intelligent, informed comment regularly came from Cave Hill on issues of public interest?
…I want some of the praise for this…you hear?
Do us a favour PLEASE…. delete the nonsense like the posts above which are seeking to divert intelligent discussion- It is an old tactic (I have some ideas on the source) and I am tired of it -too childish!!!. … maybe you can just move these to a topic called “Idiotic comments”
Thanks again to Dr. Robinson for offering his expertise to the public.
….finally David, this is an intelligent discussion… pray tell why we would want to invite Lynette?!?
Miss Lou // November 28, 2007 at 9:39 AM
David,
Were you or Dr. Robinson around in the mid-1970s when Government Price Controls effectively closed over 800 small shops in Barbados.?
David // November 28, 2007 at 10:02 AM
Bush Tea whether you like it or not Senator Eastmond is a policymaker. We doubt any progress can be made unless she is integrally a part of the process we want to discuss here. We reiterate that we would like to hear her view or someone from her ministry on what is a critical issue at this juncture in our nationhood. Given the Senator’s advocacy about the need for Barbadians to look at the electronic avenues to do business, we would have thought that she would have no problem using the blogs/websites to get her message abroad. She does not have to use BU. Unfortunately the Barbados Labour Party website/blog is not being used effectively in our opinion.
Anonymous // November 28, 2007 at 10:05 AM
Miss Lou,
I am reading the article as a case for seeking to increase the level of competition in Barbados, and certainly not as making a case for price controls.
The key point of the article seems to be that given the potential for negative fall out from price controls, increasing competition is a better bet.
Anonymous // November 28, 2007 at 11:19 AM
Is any government in Barbados really going to have the balls to prosecute business men in Bim for unfair business practices?
The FTC was set up to deflect criticism from the Arthur administration telephone rates and th whole cable and wireless thing.
The UWI fella can preach till he blue in the face, no one will touch those big people in BIm.
Anonymous // November 28, 2007 at 11:26 AM
Is the FTC a serious fair trading body or a glorified utilities board. The BLP just tried to set up something to sheild itself form criticism.
Anonymous // November 28, 2007 at 11:28 AM
I say that no govt in barbados, B or D would interfere with businessmen over the type of things mentioned in this article.
These are all part of normal business in bim.
softman // November 28, 2007 at 11:31 AM
the goverment can get very sophisticated and following international standards when it comes to credit unions, why not when it comes to competition.
Concerned Citizen // November 28, 2007 at 11:39 AM
softman are you serious? The economic power in Barbados is not concentrated with politicians.
The stability of Barbados cannot be attributed to the politicians ALONE.
The modus operandi of how Barbados has operated for years is the KNOWN understanding which exist between business and politicians.
ONE PM had the strenght to stand up to the business class in Barbados. It is ironic that a NO-CONFIDENCE motion is currently on the order paper of parliament since that PM suffered that fate.
Don’t be naive softman.
softman // November 28, 2007 at 11:47 AM
you call the price control arrangement standing up to business. you are being naive.
How can a “cartel” of banks as said by lynette hold up an egovernance program with a pm strong enough to stand up to business interests.
this article talks about the ftc talking about unfair business practices, have yu heard anything but talk.
yu think a govt in bim would deal with business the way Ba and virgin was fined. look at how the big up universities in the us were charged for arranging fees. yu still talikg bout a government ready to stand up to business. read the article again man.
softman // November 28, 2007 at 11:54 AM
a government that can spend time and effort bringing us up to global standards in terms of credit union regulations dont seem nearly as interested in international standards when it comes to competition.
instead the pm is blaming everything on the weak dollar and us economic mismanagement.
rather than dealing with the real issues in bim, he now trying to paint himself as htis champion fighting global forces.
David // November 28, 2007 at 12:01 PM
The big question anonymous and others – would the Fair Trading Commission in Barbados have the balls to do this…?
Bush Tea // November 28, 2007 at 12:04 PM
I say again that this is a VERY simple matter. Competition is the solution to FAIR prices (not necessarily LOW prices) and I again say that an innovative CREDIT UNION movement is (or was until recently) extremely well placed to spearhead such competition.
They could either do it by direct intervention (but the current leaders do not seem to have the ability to operate at such levels)
.. they could back a Co-operative group financially and by enlisting the support of their large membership with special programs etc
… they could form a new company and provide these services to their members -competing with the current establishment
….they could buy out an existing group (like BS&T) and get into the business of ASSISTING their members with needed services.
Competition is the key to enfranchisement and this is why the Credit Union has been developing all these years… will someone please tell the current leaders…
Anonymous // November 28, 2007 at 12:39 PM
I found this article very revealing. I believe that many of the examples mentioned in the article woud be seen as normal business things in Barbados.
With all the same people serving on company boards across barbdos it must be easy to cooperate on price setting here. Is the ftc or the government looking at this. One thing the article makes clear is that the us and the uk are very strict on cooperating to set prices. why should we tolerate it here.
Adrian Hinds // November 28, 2007 at 1:02 PM
wunnuh wait for the GoB to reign in the uncheck unbrittal capitalistic behavours of the private sector. I can clearly remember Mia Mottley saying that any integrity legislation must not only be instituted in the public sector but in the private sector as well. Clearly an admission of guilty as charge for both sectors. So don’t expect two thieves in pod to make life uncomfortable for each other. :D
Thewhiterabbit // November 28, 2007 at 1:06 PM
It might also be instructive to look at the role of the decline in value of the US dollar in inflating prices here. Because we are tied to the US dollar, any decrease in purchasing power of that currency translates into an increase in prices here for any imported item (like most of our food). Given that the value of the US dollar has declined approximately ten percent in recent times it means that something pretty close to a ten percent rise in prices will ensue here. That ten percent increase covers a pretty fair portion of observed inflation here. It remains just possible that companies here are NOT colluding, but that we, as an incredibly small polity, are simply be buffeted by an economic system so big that we don’t even appear on the radar screen. Small is not always better.
Anonymous // November 28, 2007 at 1:39 PM
while the falling dollar has some impact, do we really import that much from non-us sources.
my understanding of the articles is that it focuses on things we should be doing here whatever the global forces. you should not be distracted from that. we can’t we do what we have to do to get some more competition in the market.
Anonymous // November 28, 2007 at 1:42 PM
since our dollar is fixed against the us dollar, inflation here as a result of the falling dollar must be because of imports from the EU mainly. Is that really that great. The dollar has fallen by a good deal before I do not remember it being blamed for local inflation.
the same ole blp recipe spoken about by michael carrington in today’s paper. blame global forces for everything.
David // November 28, 2007 at 1:50 PM
The Doctor wrote about the alleged ‘cartel’ in the banking sector attributed to Senator Eastmond, monopolies and the relatively high concentration which we have in the market in Barbados. We think that this is an important point when we examine the power blocks in our society and who is in a position to influence the decisions of government. A good example to illustrate the point is to look at the Brazil market.
A few years ago we read some where that they were 1 million companies in the distributive sector of which about 90% were retailers and the rest wholesalers. The statistic obviously shows that small retailing firms dominated the sector. In fact our memory tells us that over 50% of companies which has less than 50-100 employees accounted for nearly 60% of the total wage bill. This is the kind of diffusion in our market which government should be encouraging. Instead Caribbean governments seem hellbent on pushing for consolidation which obviously leads to concentration within sectors. Maybe the Doctor can expand because we anticipate the globalization argument – WTO etc to be used at this point.
Jerome Hinds // November 28, 2007 at 2:35 PM
Dr. Robinson has outlined a very lucid account of the predatory business dynamics as practiced by the Barbadian business elites.
As outlined in the DLP reply to the budget of March 2007…….there is a need to break the monopolistic hold that these business elites exert on the Barbadian business community.
Hence, David Thompson pledge to have a DLP government set about increasing competition in this sector.
Now the cosmetic approach of the BLP will not in any way right the IMBALANCES that exists in this business sector.
It is interesting to note that as with the CESS , PRICE CONTROLS , BASKET OF GOODS……not one of the BLP crooks (ASSCOLL , MOTTLEY , LYNETTE ) can speak with one ACCORD and tell Barbadians when……prices will FALL !
** Christmas is here…..NO FALL LIKELY !
Yet….PROPER PORK BYNOE…….says as a BUSINESSMAN…….he needs to be compensated for lowering his PRICES….!
My….My……these BLP CROOKS !
Such Stupid Comments // November 28, 2007 at 2:38 PM
Hi: Folks
Just to let you know, somebody must be hurting real bad. The so-call free press and the underground have resorted to blocking my post. So I am not able to freely put the truth on the table. That is the level to which the LOO and his goons would go in their desperate bid. I will keep fighting and they can keep moderating my comments but i will keep them busy.
Jerome Hinds // November 28, 2007 at 3:03 PM
It is not delaying tactics……….it is STRATEGY !
You BLP liars told Barbadians…….that prices will fall before the end of DECEMBER 2007 !
Well since the debating of the No – Confidence motion has put paid to a General Election before the end of DECEMBER……..let us see who really BLUFFING Barbadians….!
But rest assured that the No – Confidence Motion will be dabated before the end of DECEMBER 2007 !
Andrew ” Proper Pork ” Bynoe……says he must be compensated if he reduce his prices…..!
A lot more of the BLP financiers THINKING & TALKING like him……!
The ELECTORATE waiting to see where the BLP loyalty……LIES !
Wishing in Vain // November 28, 2007 at 3:42 PM
SSC honestly nothing lost by not having your rubbish on the site,actually full marks to both blogs for having the mind to censor your brand of rubbish!!!
Jerome Hinds // November 28, 2007 at 4:03 PM
David,
It is pointless of you trying to get the Minister of Mumbo – Jumbo…..Lynette Eastmond to join this debate on Cost of Living !
Unless she gets up from UNDER Owen Arthur’s court tails……..she does not care about the plight of poor people !
She will be remembered at the POLLS again whenever her BOSS MAN thinks it is time to dispense of her again……for a JULIE – MANGO !a.k.a Mrs. Arthur !
banned // November 28, 2007 at 5:35 PM
Humble opinion. Four strategically placed Government owned and operated markets offering basic foodstuffs, and stripped of unnecessary conveniences/overheads. Governments should have a primary responsibility to feed its people. A weekly price comparison index listed in the newspaper (compiled by government officers in the absence of a strong consumer body). I am fairly sure that these are being done in Trinidad as we speak.
Dr. Justin Robinson // November 28, 2007 at 5:39 PM
I have been tied up in meetings all day, but its good to see that my article has not been totally ignored.
I am certainly concerned about the potential for regional concentration as the CSME progresses. If Neal and Massey is able to acquire BS&T they will enjoy dominant positions in the distributive sectors of Barbados and Trinidad. They will also acquire any busineeses BS&T owns in the OECS. I am aware that BS&T owns a set of of Super J stores in St. Lucia and were in negotiations for further acquisitions in St. Lucia.
There seems to be an urgent need for a vigorous regional competition policy. While one expects a degree of consolidation, one function of the CSME should be to stimulate greater regional competition.
The international evidence suggests that in a single market you tend to see about a 60 / 40 spread in terms of acquisitions (60%) and greenfield investments (new businesses being set up cross border (40%)). The available evidence suggests about a 90 / 10 spread between acquisitions and greenfield investments in the CSME.
Could competition have been used to encourage Neal and Massey to seek a foothold in the lucrative distribution sector of Barbados by either acquiring a smaller player than BS&T or a greenfield investment bringing the Hi Lo brand to Barbados? Either way we would have had more competition in the local market.
I had hoped that the paper would stimulate some discussion about business practices in Barbados.
David // November 28, 2007 at 6:13 PM
Interesting to read Senator Eastmond agreeing with Dr. Robinson’s article in todays newspaper. She admits that the price controls aka fixed mark-up approach is a short term strategy. She confesses that forcing Barbadian companies to be more competitive is the more sustainable approach but it will take time. Seems that the Senator and Mascoll are always on opposing sides of the issue.
We read Dr. Robinson’s last comment and although he wants to hear some discussion on local business practices we are a little confuse. If CSME is to represent a common market then this should mean that companies with a regional footprint will naturally want to maximize allocation of resources. To use an example we have companies based in T&T which have excess capital which is a product of its oil base economy. In this scenario how can markets like Barbados which is committed to the CSME 100% stop the kind of concentration, whether in the distributive or other sectors which we are starting to see given that Barbados is 100% behind the movement.
banned // November 28, 2007 at 6:42 PM
1/4 Million is a nothing market. Why even believe that this animal called competition will thrive for long? CSM was planed as the precursor to FTAA, thankfully now dead, but still remains just an opportunity for big fish to be swallowed up by even bigger fish, which of course will eventually result in a repatriating of the local business interests to the Lords of the North.
Bush tea // November 28, 2007 at 8:38 PM
Banned,
You can forget any salvation coming from any type of government owned agency in Barbados. IT WILL NOT WORK and will in fact be MUCH more expensive tax wise.
1/4 million people is an excellent market… for local businesses. It is only ’small’ if you are a massive international entity looking to exploit business.
Dr Robinson, there is another way to look at this situation.
If a set of people are willing to sit back and depend on another set to feed and clothe them and to depend on the goodwill and consideration of these ‘providers’ to be fair and reasonable in pricing their goods….
…and if, meantime – that dependent set are content to accumulate their ’savings’, now approaching many BILLIONS in the various banks and credit unions – to be utilised by the ‘providers’ to turn massive profits…
WHY, pray tell me, should they not be price -gouged to the maximum?
What kind of self respect and pride is reflected here?
It was one thing when these ‘poor souls’ could claim lack of access to resources.
….when they were kept ‘out of the action’ by exclusive dealerships, discriminatory legislation and other factors….
What is the present excuse?
This sounds so pathetic that it is sickening…
“…poor us, the merchants are charging too much for food. Please help us someone – before we starve”……DON’T MAKE ME SICK.?!?
I note that there have been no comments on my insistence that the CREDIT UNIONS are key to this empowerment.
Anyone who thinks that the aim of accumulating money just to have ’savings’ and ‘loans for consumerables’ is a noble one, deserves to be forever a poor slave. If as a people we are unable or afraid to take responsibility for our own affairs then we deserve exactly what we get.
I do not hear any of my ‘provider’ friends complaining about cost of living… I wonder why?
Dr. Justin Robinson // November 28, 2007 at 8:47 PM
While I recognize the importance of all the important global issues and our need to fight these battles, I also believe that we must do what we can to make our economy as competitive as possible.
What struck me most at the lecture by Professor Stiglitz (greatest living economist) was his comment in relation to NAFTA. He said that the advantage Mexico had in terms of zero tariffs on exports to the USA was outweighed by the greater efficiency of chinese producers. Global success begins at home.
David // November 28, 2007 at 8:49 PM
BT your vision of the role of the credit unions to empower the masses will continue to be a vision as long as the leadership within the two large credit unions remain. What we have are people running the two large credit unions who see the banks as their competition and are working diligently to make the two credit unions look and smell like banks. So you need to be the catalyst of a kind of revolution with the credit union movement! Minister Rawle Eastmond refer to these ‘comyuhs’ who have taken over the credit unions to get their car loans and mortgage support at low rates and more importantly to pad their resumes.
Dr. Robinson again we must claim that we are confuse because we find your suggestion for Barbados to be more competitive somewhat amorphous. Are you saying that the government needs to be more efficient in its strategy or are you directing your comments at the private sector? Maybe if you can get a little granular for us we might follow you. You mention Mexico, China but those countries have economies which are built on subsidies and low labour cost. Maybe you need to do a cross country comparison which is more relevant.
Rebranded // November 28, 2007 at 8:49 PM
One of the fundamentals as I see it regarding the lack of competition development in Barbados particularly, and as far as Barbadians going regional, is the difficulty some businesses face getting support from their financiers in the traditional banking sector.
Running a business, whether it is established or startup is not easy and invariably businesses run into problems at one time or another.
The banks in Barbados control many businesses who run big overdraft facilities, and are heavily indebted, if they run into any problems, down they go, this despite having good going concerns, and plenty of assets.
I know of a few small successful operators, who run overdrafts at the bank, and are virtually forbidden from any attempts at expansion into the region, otherwise, they could lose the overdraft facility, leading to severe cash flow difficulties and probably closure.
What Barbados needs is an indigenous source of financing which is not in the pocket of Barbados\’ traditionally dominant business players that the island inherited from slavery and colonialism.
Is there any hope that the Credit Union movement could ever become that financing source.
banned // November 28, 2007 at 9:00 PM
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The problem with the “We” and “us” demographic is that it is too wide and diverse to commit to any real change or cause… There really is no meaningful “we” demographic, most Barbadians in any event (as it is in any other territory) are barely functionally literate, unfortunately designed to be taken advantage of. Governments run countries, how difficult can it be to run a market or two? (With some checks and balances of course). And while I am at it, why not nationalise the BL&P (why does a monopoly need a Marketing department?) and send home a good deal of the executive fat. Let’s nationalise the retailing of gas and the processing of animal feed. Government owned malls where tenants could enjoy vastly superior rents, needless to say I am a born again Socialist.
Dr. Justin Robinson // November 28, 2007 at 9:22 PM
There was an earlier question by David in terms of the price cap.
The theory behind the price cap is that it tries to replicate the incentives and benefits of a competitive market. In a competitive market if one comes up with an innovation you can enjoy excess profits until the other competitors catch up. The excess profits is the incentive to innovate, but they do not last forever in a competitive market because competitors will catch up.
The idea is that with the price cap, the only way for the supplier to increase profits is to cut costs or grow the market. If the supplier succeeds in cutting costs without affecting the quality of service, he can keep those extra profits until the price cap is up for renegotiation. At the renegotiation the price cap would be set on the basis of the new lower levels of costs, so the excess profits should disappear and the benefits passed on to the consumer.
One would have to presume that C&W’s current surge in profits is related to either growth in the market or cost savings. My question for the regulators would be if the price cap applies to some of the higher margin products such as ADSL and roaming. My suspicion is that the growth in these services may well be driving profits. if these are not covered by the price cap should they be?
There is also some evidence that the CSME may have provided some cost savings as C&W can establish and operate a more efficient regional platform . Some of my sources suggest that C&W negotiated the price cap and then rapidly switched to a cheaper regional platform. I have no idea whether this is true or not.
One of the issues here is that if you are a producer you are probably beginning to feel like you are in a single market and benefiting from it. if you are a consumer I am not so sure you feel the same. if the CSME does not begin to show consumers some love soon, they might just begin to loudly question its value.
Bush tea // November 28, 2007 at 9:55 PM
David,
Our Credit Unions are the best form of true democratic empowerment that we have. The current leadership is fully reflective of what the membership wants or allows.
When last did you or anyone on this blog attend a meeting and make a point or VOTE? We have allowed this valuable resource to become the playground of a bunch of vision-less jokers who use it to ‘play big’.
Overnight, this entity could revolutionize this country.
Banned….I agree with you, but again, one of the best chances of a ‘we’ in this place is again the Credit Union movement…. if only….
Doc,
Competition is the natural order of things in this world (survival of the fittest). Those who are most creative, daring, efficient and productive will thrive. The fat, lazy and sick will die. That is the way it is. Nobody owes us any favours -not even BS&T.
There was a time when artificial fences (levys, taxes, shipping challenges, permits, licenses etc) protected the lazy and mediocre from the ‘lions’. Those days are long gone -killed by technology.
…by the way, one positive side effect of technology (for us) is that size no longer matters. Big no longer guarantees domineering as it did 40 years ago. Now it is more about being innovative and productive.
NAFTA, CSME and the like are attempts to reconstruct “designer fences’, but are all only a waste of effort.
Unless we learn to be winners, and to use what we have (like credit unions, common sense and education) we will become poorer and endure miserable existences.
It is that simple.
Government’s role should be to provide leadership and set priorities so that this country could become one large ‘we’ as Banned says…. well that is a thought lost..
banned // November 28, 2007 at 10:11 PM
Governments role really should be to cut and control the cost of living by any and all means necessary
Bush tea // November 28, 2007 at 10:39 PM
Banned,
One of the hallmarks of the ‘developed society’ to which we aspire is the HIGH cost of living.
Have you ever been to Tokyo or Switzerland?
But PRODUCTIVITY is so high that the cost (to the productive persons) is no problem at all…
…as I said, I have not heard any complaints from my local ‘provider’ friends either….
conversely, I have been in countries with VERY LOW cost of living….and could not leave soon enough… It is not that simple.
What is needed is leadership and national discourse to decide on what we want to achieve as a country… and how we will do it.
banned // November 29, 2007 at 3:10 AM
BT
I Truly hope that you are not confusing the productive person with the High salaried person. Your provider friends are very tuned into the concept of “charging what the market can bear”, always a problem when there is the perception of a large high salaried (non-productive) set of people out there.
Inkwell // November 29, 2007 at 6:28 AM
If competition is acknowledged to be ultimate price control, why therefore did the government, which should be proactive in promoting such competition, take the lead role in destroying the businesses of the class of entrepreneur which imported used cars, playing squarely into the hands of the large companies.
It has been argued that the second hand cars were causing the traffic congestion plague we are now suffering, but I contend that the removal of the second hand car importers has not resulted in a reduction of the number of vehicles being added to the traffic, what with the generous financing terms of the big dealers and the willingness of many financial institutions to provide 100% financing. Check the numbers
A major element of the competition factor was unjustly and artificially removed to the detriment not only to this business class, but to the general public, which does not now have the option of a lower cost vehicle and to the country, which has to dig deeper into its foreign reserves to finance the higher priced “new” vehicles.
While I am at it, no one has mentioned the single largest instance of collusion to fix prices that has contributed over the years to the high cost of doing business here: the scale of fees set by the legal fraternity.
In modern Barbados this anachronism is an abomination. Does this instance of collusion to fix prices not fall under the ambit of the FTC?
Barbados is awash with lawyers, yet no competition in pricing of their services. Once you qualify, you have a license to fleece the public.
David // November 29, 2007 at 6:51 AM
An interesting and relevant article was published in the Jamaica Observer today: it is relevant because we agree with the author that a solution will not come from government alone, it will call for a public and private sector partnership. Do we have what it takes to disrupt the establishment/status quo?
Inkwell // November 29, 2007 at 7:19 AM
Understanding of this issue of lack of competition in the cost of consumables is clouded by a lack of knowledge on the part of the consumers and indeed, I suspect, by government at large and the FTC in particular.
Here is a case where the FTC, a consumer body, or in the absence of that, (the one we have is a poor excuse and I am calling on BARP to fill the void), the press should take an active part. All the supermarket managers refer to the wholesalers as being the ones who control prices. Who are these wholesalers and what products do they sell. We need details. I think we will find that the finger points in one direction. That entity’s business practices and markups can then be examined and if there is evidence of monopolistic control, it should be regulated.
The nebulous talk of a Miami connection needs to be investigated and any infelicity exposed. These are positive and practical steps that could and should be taken if we are serious about addressing the problem.
David // November 29, 2007 at 7:29 AM
Inkwell the system is ’stacked’ against the consumer and like you said more so in the absence of a vibrant consumer body. Let us ask you a question. Do you think the powers that be are not aware of the practice of the major wholesalers in Barbados where they have set-up companies in major purchasing markets, they freight forward to those companies which gives them the flexibility to invoice goods to themselves at ridiculous rates.
This brings us to Dr. Robinson’s desire to focus on the domestic market to see how efficiencies can be brought to our market competition wise. The FTC needs to do some work and ‘lock-up’ somebody. In the scenario we have painted the large wholesales hold the upper hand because they can manipulate mark-ups before the goods are landed!
The irony is that we reward people in this ‘unjust’ scenario by delivering Knighthoods. In other words the government through its reward and recognition system condones the ‘unjust’ system which is at the root of the problem.
Bush Tea // November 29, 2007 at 7:42 AM
1./ banned:
Am I the one that is confusing anything? The reason why we have high salaried persons who are non productive is LACK OF COMPETITION.
If we allow fat cats to charge whatsoever they want for food – then they can afford to spend their days at the golf club, beach and in luncheons -and still be filthy rich.
If there were alternatives in place, then they would HAVE to be efficient or they would have very little business.
They would also force our alternative business to be efficient and everyone (except the non-productive fat cats) would benefit.
…but we like to give jobs to our families, yardfowls, lodge brothers and ‘yes men’ – who cares about productivity?
…so the reason why my ‘provider’ friends do not complain is that we are jokers on whose backs they are riding -while our assets are sitting idly in credit unions… they can afford to play golf all day.
2./Inkwell,
The people in government think that their role there is to make sure that they are rich enough at the end of the exercise to be able to hob nob with the same ‘providers’ and never have to work again. FULL STOP.
They blocked the used car importers because the ‘providers’ said to do so.
They hog tied the credit unions because the ‘providers’ saw the potential for serious competition (who else now that Julie N gone?)
…stop talking about ‘government…PLEASE.
They building the Flyovers because Bizzy told them to….
and i don’t know who told them to make Greenland into a dump – probably ‘gear box’ or King Dyall.
3./David;
Why don’t you stop asking questions to which you well know the answer?
Obviously a problem like this requires a collective approach if we are going to see any resolution. Have you seen any indication that this Government even UNDERSTANDS the business of creating unity of purpose? a bajan ‘WE’?
..we cannot even get a word of explanation as to why a PM would have an unexplained $750,000 in his personal account after 4 months of asking.
..or why a project was awarded without bids, to a known crooked company, and now is costing three times the amount that the minister assured us it would cost..
What unified approach what?!?
Anonymous // November 29, 2007 at 7:47 AM
Allan Fields a couple years ago was a lowly manager at Tropical Batteries at Fontabelle.
Have you noticed that within a short time of him taking up the reins of BS&T he has run that company down into the ground with his questionable business practices?
Have you also noticed that under his regin -MER Bourne a wholesale company was bought out yet Barbados has never seen higher prices in his Supercentre chain of supermarkets – and other Supermarkets who bought their products from him, since BS&T – now became the wholesaler and the retailer?
Check out what happened at CBC with him as chairman.
Check out the fiasco with the propsed sale to Neal & Massey and the sale of the Agricultural Company to Cow Williams.
As chairman of Cable & Wireless – are we getting better service for money?
Yet in Owen Arthur’s eyes – this man is a businees Guru – so much so that he deserved a Knighthood.
I put it to you a little search will probably reveal kickbacks – kickforwards – kicks to the side.
Nuff kicking.
Linchh // November 29, 2007 at 7:55 AM
David:
I congratulate you on having stimulated what is, for the most part, an intelligent discussion on Prof. Justin Robinson’s article, and I congratulate Justin, too, on taking the time to elaborate on issues that commentators have raised.
I found that a critical issue that Justin has raised is the problem of the efficacy and efficiency of actions by the authorities in the absence of hard information on the price system in Barbados. It will be recalled that he stated:
Your apparent call for more controls on the prices of services seems to have missed that point.
Justin, too was polite in refusing to characterise the atmosphere that has prompted current governmental action(?) on prices, as blatant electioneering.
Inkwell // November 29, 2007 at 8:00 AM
I ended my last submission with the phrase “if we are serious about addressing the problem”.
The FTC clearly has no autonomy. It is an arm of government and as such is an instrument of government policy. If that policy is to pander to big business and only apply cosmetic measures at price control for appearance sake, then the FTC will remain inactive on the issue. The electorate should have something to say about that.
We must therefore look to other methods to control profiteering. We need to let government know that we are aware of its collusion with big business, deliberate or accidental, and agitate for change. Where is the consumer lobby to put pressure on the government to change its policy? Change in the circumstances you describe must start with a functioning consumer body.
banned // November 29, 2007 at 8:17 AM
WHO FINANCES THESE POLITICAL PARTIES
Bush Tea // November 29, 2007 at 8:20 AM
Inkwell,
When you come to the end of this analysis, you will conclude -like me- that the Credit Unions provide the only logical answer…
peltdownman // November 29, 2007 at 8:30 AM
Supercentre Sunset Crest reached an all-time low yesterday, even for that poor excuse for a supermarket. It is a store that sets its standards low and consistently fails to meet them. Yesterday, my wife was unable to find a packet of frozen peas there. I mean, FROZEN PEAS!! The most basic vegetable to be found in any supermarket anywhere in the world at any time. No doubt they are in storage somewhere awaiting a price increase. Any old stock is retained in storage to take advantage of the increased price new stock. This is a widespread practice and will be come more prevalent on price-controlled items, because, don’t kid yourselves, this latest deal between governemnt and the retailers is price control.
David // November 29, 2007 at 8:46 AM
OK we have been accused of asking questions to which we already know the answers, or so Bush Tea thinks anyway.
Here is another question. The major wholesalers/retailers have been ‘persuaded’ by government to fix the mark-up on a basket of goods which are popular in the average household in Barbados. We have already expressed our view like others about the sustainability of this artificial arrangement and Senator Eastmond agrees – Nation of yesterday!
After the arrangment was proclaimed, Senator Bynoe made the interesting statement that the ’stand-alone’ retailers as distinct from retailers owned by wholesalers stand to loose in the arrangement given their position in the distribution chain i.e. management of margins on the retail and distribution side. Senator Bynoe announced on national TV that this group should be compensated by government. Minutes later the Deputy Prime Minister Mottley denied that Senator Bynoe’s concern was tabled and consequently she disregarded it as an issue. It is something which has not been ventillated on.
Is there some quid pro quo arrangement which the public is unaware? There is a piece of the puzzle missing …
Linchh ~ we agree and made the same observation but if we applied the logic to the action of Mascoll, Eastmond, Mottley et al then a concomitant issue should be the need to address the skyrocketting costs associated with utilities.
banned // November 29, 2007 at 10:22 AM
And rent
Jerome Hinds // November 29, 2007 at 10:50 AM
Just as I predicted !
Consumers who visited several supermarkets around BARBADOS on 28th November 2007…..are yet to find ant REDUCED PRICES !
Check your Nation News of 29th November 2007 .
So ASSCOLL gave one date……LYNETTE gave another date…….and MOTTLEYISM gave another date !
BLP SENATOR……Andrew Bynoe ain’t get his COMPENSATION yet……so what did consumers EXPECT ?
These BLP CHARLANTANS have to pay their FINANCIERS ………before POOR PEOPLE get an EASE !
Then the money is to go back to OWEN to BUY THE poor people’s VOTE !
Why because the CATCH was to call a DECEMBER 2007………….General Election….!
REMEMBER……at the BLP conference in October 2007
** MOTTLEYISM……..asked the BLP Party faithful……ARE YOU READY….?
** OWEN ARTHUR…….then said the next day……THE DAY TO VOTE IS NOT FAR AWAY !
Well David Thompson……..kill them off by letting them know………the No – Confidence Motion will come ” In his own time ” !
We in the DLP will again let BARBADIANS see how these BLP CHARLATANS cannot be TRUSTED !
Just like we are hearing :
*** GREENLAND would be ready for GARBAGE……2nd January 2008 !
*** ST. JOHN POLYCLINIC would be finished for $ 5 million !
See you all in INDEPENDENCE SQUARE….tonight !
David // December 1, 2007 at 11:08 PM
Bush Tea why don’t you explore how the Credit Unions can ‘empower’ the masses? The structure of the movement suggests that the owners ares the members so that if they instruct the manages of the credit unions to move in a certain direction then thats all that is needed.
Rene // December 2, 2007 at 12:02 AM
I think or country and region is at a stage where lots of change and reforms are in the works.. I’m not sure if it’s the best time for use to change skippers, and even more so having a crew which I think in my eyes come to the table short of experience and know how. We are always quick to forget that BLP has been instrumental in developmental policies that have moved this country forward and to be honest I don’t trust the present DLP to keep us on track with regards to CSME and moving forward from being a developing country to being a fully develop country.
In the mean time we have to make some changes internally as a country and as I mentioned in a previous post these are some of the realisations we have to face.
1) The value of our dollar is down in the world market due to the fact the value of the currency it’s tide to is also down in the world market.
2) We import most of our items be it finish product or raw materials.
3) Farms can’t not grow or raise enough produce or livestock to satisfy the present market. We are unable as a country to subsidies or farmers. Plus most materials in farming such as feed, seeds, chemicals are in most cases imported. How can we truly improve this sector so it’s beneficial to all???
4) We are not prepared or willing as individuals to take cuts in salaries or to make life style changes in our every day life to bring down the import bill.
5) We need to support local companies and buy local products. Companies need to provide value for money to attract local consumers.
6) As long as we use oil to power or electricity we are at the mercy of rising oil prices.
7) Government needs to aggressively find cheaper fuel and energy alternatives not just talk about but put these plans in to action. We as a nation need to learn how to reduce, reuse and recycle.
The above is only a drop in the bucket of views, causes, action that need to be taken by the people and government, we all have a part to play in it. We often sit here point fingers when we should be thinking of ways to actively make changes. I think or mind set and the way we go about things on this island is what needs changing more so than any political party at this time.
Wishing in Vain // December 2, 2007 at 1:24 AM
Rene,
I totally disagree with your comments with regard to the ability of the DLP to form the gov’t, this view is one generated by the spin doctors of the blp very much like the days that Adams saw Haynes as a threat to his base of power and proceeded to label him a communist, let us understand that in so doing it attempts to safe guard themselves for being throw out of office and being investigated for stealing and corruption in office.
The DLP party has the countries best at heart , more than we can say for this current bunch of crooks, they are talented and an educated group of persons, ready, willing and able to serve and are deserving of the opportunity to form the gov’t surely they can do no worst than this crop of misfits in office.
They must however on assuming office set about to investigate the extent of dishonesty, stealing and corruption and must proceed to put measures in place to bring those that are responsible to justice as quickly as it is possible to do so, even if it results in a jail sentences for many of those that were involved including the PM, the new prison should have section declared as a ” political prisoners section ” reserved for ones such as the PM and his gang of crooks.
I listened with astonishment today when a former member of the BLP know to many, sat around today and set about delivering a broadside attack on Owings character and his reputation, vowing to never vote for he nor the party again, this was after his admission that in one election when working as an agent for the blp he voted three times in the same election, once for man from St.James that he had some similarity in looks to but this person was not a voter and he voted on this man’s behalf, provided an ID by an agent of gov’t, the second voting he did was as a cousin from St.Peter who had left the island sometime before but here again he was provided with an ID card and proceeded to vote in favour of the blp.
This is a sad explanation of just what levels Owing and company will stoop to maintain power and control over your thinking, I beg the DLP to be aware, alert and ready to confront these actions with a swift compelling response.
In the meanwhile we eagerly await replies to the following questions.
Let us hear more about that cheque that Owing collected and put towards his personal bank account?
He seemed very shocked, stunned and dumbfounded when confronted by the announcement in the house.
Tell us about the perceived corruption with the awarding of the PRISON project and how VECO was awarded this contract when locals quoted US $ 67 million and your awardee did it for US $ 142 million is there also any truth to the rumour making the rounds that the local group was asked to pay an agent of the gov’t the same one who collects a commission on each vehicle imported into the island for the gov’t, not sure why this is but it is.
Tell us more about how that BATH became such an expensive bath?
Tell us when that building will be completed at NEWTON?
Tell us what is the real plan for GREENLAND and how much more you intend to throw away in one project?
Tell us why you are so closely connected to known and proven Fraudster DANOS in the 3 S ROAD WORKS project?
Tell us why you have chosen to corrupt the reputation of the blp even further by bringing ASSCOLL on board?
Tell us why we are to be happy with you allowing ASSCOLL a free hand to divert public funds to a sickly and abused venture called HARDWOOD HOUSING?
Tell us why should we be happy with a Deputy Prime Minister that is devoid of morals?
Anonymous // December 2, 2007 at 7:06 AM
Is the system of voluntary price controls going to work or not. Despite Mascoll’s assurances the government and the retail sector do not appear to be on the same page.
With its large majorities has the BLP under Arthur really made any tough choices to fundamentally transform the bdos economy.
Despite his power and popularity arthur has almost backed down when confronted with any of the local special interests.
In fact he seems to send ministers out to feel out public support for a policy, if there is any strong resistance he then steps and reverses the policy.
Is this the kind of leadership we really need.
SOFTMAN // December 2, 2007 at 8:11 AM
Anonymous raises an interesting perspective on the arthur administration. arthur does seem to lack the courage of his conviction of domestic issues. he seems to prefer to rally the troops for regional and international issues. maybe there is just less political risk on these issues. I and tending to agree with anonymous that despite the economic and political success the domestic legacy is a bit underwhelming.
One of the govt’s biggest successes is the low unemployment rate. Mascoll did raise serious questions about the measuring of the unemployment rate when he was on the side. As a top economist and former central bank employee can we dismiss his comments as jsut opposition politics.
SOFTMAN // December 2, 2007 at 8:59 AM
lets not be distracted from a potentially useful discussion.
Hard Driver // December 2, 2007 at 9:06 AM
Bush Tea ,
While I agree with your posts in regard to competition and the use of credit union funds to aid in this regard, I feel the problem goes much deeper.
There is a lack of entrepreneurial spirit within the average Barbadian which needs to addressed from primary school level.
Most Barbadians seem to take the “style an fashion” culture into adult life and therefore the first “big money” goes into a fancy SUV instead of back into the business.
Yes, competition is the key.
There is no way that Supercentre should be able to sit back and continue to import Waitrose products from England where the pound is strengthening by the day, and not diversify and look to other markets. They don’t because they don’t have to.
SOFTMAN // December 2, 2007 at 9:14 AM
I am curious about the amount of traction this idea of the weak dollar fuelling import prices in barbados.
if you check the website http://www.miseryindex.us/irbymonth.asp which tracks us inflation it does not seem to support the argument of the weak dollar leading the us to import inflation and pass it on to us. the chart shows much larger increases in us inflation in 2006 for example.
if the weak dollar is not leading to an inflation spurt in the us which is then passed on to us then before we accept this as a argument of the weak dollar being a major factor in our price increases can someone tell us how much we import from non-us sources.
SOFTMAN // December 2, 2007 at 9:18 AM
hard driver makes a great point. if the dollar is weak why are we not sourcing from elsewhere. julien seemed to do a good job of finding alternative sources.
SOFTMAN // December 2, 2007 at 9:32 AM
the people pushing this idea of the weak dollar pushing up import prices need to come a little better.
Most of us are not economics experts and the argument should be spelled out in some more details.
I can see the weak dollar pushing up the cost of our non-usa imports. but what share of our imports outside of japanese cars is that(my layman’s look at yahoo finance does not show a big fall in the dollar against the yen, most of the decline has been against the euro). how much do we really import from the euro zone. i need to to have some better sense of that before i accept the argument.
I can see that if goods made in the usa use imported inputs then those costs would go up and be passed on to us. but the figures that i have seen on the web about us inflation do not support any big jump in us inflation. so i am not so clear.
I got this info off the web at the website i talked bout earlier. the chart shows the year, month and the inflation rate.
2005-01 2.97
2005-02 3.01
2005-03 3.15
2005-04 3.51
2005-05 2.80
2005-06 2.53
2005-07 3.17
2005-08 3.64
2005-09 4.69
2005-10 4.35
2005-11 3.46
2005-12 3.42
2006-01 3.99
2006-02 3.60
2006-03 3.36
2006-04 3.55
2006-05 4.17
2006-06 4.32
2006-07 4.15
2006-08 3.82
2006-09 2.06
2006-10 1.31
2006-11 1.97
2006-12 2.54
2007-01 2.08
2007-02 2.42
2007-03 2.78
2007-04 2.57
2007-05 2.69
2007-06 2.69
2007-07 2.36
2007-08 1.97
2007-09 2.76
2007-10 3.54
help me understand this argument about the weak dollar causing a big rise in barbados import prices raised by no lesser person than the pm,a trained economist, little better please.
Bush tea // December 2, 2007 at 10:30 AM
While I hate to get into an interesting exchange between SOFT man and you, HARD Driver, I agree also with your analysis that the problem goes all the way back to our culture of ’some body will look after me’.
But here is the problem, IT IS TO LATE TO CHANGE THE CULTURE LONG TERM.
We are at crisis stage (although most of us are not yet aware of that) and DRASTIC measures will either be taken now, or drastic consequences will follow shortly …
It is years now that I have been preaching the need to change our stupid culture. But this culture is being nourished by the idiots who have taken control of the country’s politics. (A reversal of the Barrow doctrine of independence of development)
They encourage the attitude of ‘just wait people, we will look after you…’ (ha ha)
Even the subsidy of fuel prices at this point is idiotic. It only delays the inevitable culture change that is needed in a world where FUEL WILL BE EXPENSIVE from here on…
These subsidies only lull people into a false sense of well being – only to be shocked into reality soon (after elections). Far better to start now to re-orientate our life styles, transport arrangements etc when we still have some flexibility… but what do I know?!?
It going to be rough bout here soon…
Softman // December 2, 2007 at 11:23 AM
I certianly agree that if we fail to pass on fuel prices to all users we are delaying the needed adjustment to a wrold of higher fuel prices.
Kadri // December 2, 2007 at 11:26 AM
its a true true thing people dont think and do dum homework before dum suh seing bout a matter.
any smart and educated being who knows about politics and economics, will and can tell you that because the us dollar is declining, is because prices gine up, wunna think its only bim dat things gine up, stop watching cbc alone and watch other news from other countries, read news on de net and see wa gine on, if de us dollar is de trade dollar and it dropping wa wunna expect gonna happen in de countries who trade with the us dollar? it dont tek a rocket scientist to figure da out
if ya trade food fuh salt and people realise sugar sweeter dan salt, dum gonna switch to sugar, especially when de salt hard to come by when people using it for other purposes
like bush fuh example, spending and asking for sooo much on war funding, and all yesterday de poor soul saying how de pentagon is out of cash, but looka look, de man want to cut de counterterrorism funding AGAIN BY 50%. hmmm same thing he do lil before Sept 11, anyways ta mek a long story short, buhbadus govt int got nuttin ta do wid prices in goods, if um is so, which mean all govts worldwide responsible, and lil do wunna know, govts dont run countries, its de big business men who ster de ship who actually rule de economies and how de lil man survive
up ta now nabody int talk nuttin bout de chefette ting up at GAIA and de lil black man who usta sell cant anymore, daz a lil example
study how things work before talking bout how and why they work, u will see how much u can learn
and de fuel thing is not govt eeda, u really think any nation in de world really ready to stand up againt OPEC, or Iran Pres and Chavez?
Oil and Natural Gas are the two most powerful economic weapons of today, and see who it costing, all uh we poor people, everything depends on either how ever ya look at it, except if ya gon drink water from a lake as a means of staying alive.
David // December 2, 2007 at 11:28 AM
Softman surely to examine the weak US dollar on its own is not doing justice to the challenge facing Barbados and other developing countries. Although it is true to say that the rising price of oil is currently being offset by a weakening US dollar the admission by Liz Thompson some time ago that the government is currently subsidizing oil to the amount of USD65.00 must create some pressure on our economic policy which we should also discuss.
We want to challenge the point about local importers unwilling to switch the sourcing of product to benefit from a better price. Is it not true that to switch suppliers would have financial implications for our importers? We refer to being able to access imports on ‘open account’ versus some other method of payment which might require financing. We would like to her your thoughts.
Anonymous // December 2, 2007 at 11:55 AM
softman is simply asking, if the weak dollar is driving up costs in the usa and by extension barbados, as the pm’s argument seems to suggest, why is this not showing up in prices in the usa as measured by the inflation rate.
he is also asking if the dollar has fallen mainly against the euro and the pound why should this have a dramatic impact on costs in barbados.
I think those are interesting questions.
Kadri // December 2, 2007 at 12:13 PM
well i guess de word corruption is de answer, i did asking myself so too, but if america gine tru soo much right now, u cud only imagine how bad wud get under de proud man bush administration to see de after effects of hurricane katrina again, like looting and a semi rioting.
just picture how americans would behave only if dem prices had to rise, and we all who visited there before know we in bim better off than those who living up there, we got one job and survivin, dem is gotta wuk 2,3 and 4 just ta mek ends meet, or ends offa meat lol
america right now is going into a recession and it made itself clear yesterday
de man want war money and vetoing evating dat wud help build de nation good like proper healthcare, thank god i come back tuh buhbadus, i did glad i get wa i went fuh and come out, i know some people who wanna come back but just int know how and dum is be crying, just picture dem drought getting worst, chavez cut oil, and de euro become de world trade dollar, i tell ya, only a JESUS cud save dem
Bush tea // December 2, 2007 at 12:40 PM
I just listened to Brass tacks sunday – Hal Gollop and a bunch of BLP supporters were trying to make various cases that could only be described as asinine.
If these are the best positions that the BLP has then it is no wonder that our asses are heading for the grass…
I hold no brief for David Thompson either – cause I still can’t work our how he could let drop that issue of the $750,000 that HE raised.
…he caused me to lose ALL RESPECT for the PM who compounded the issue by not at least telling us SOMETHING about that (I am prepared to BELIEVE ANYTHING he says…)
…but I refuse to believe that he would sell the poor people of this country out for 3/4Million pieces of silver… How can Thompson rate Hardwood to be more fundamental than that?
I believe that all of our politicians must be smoking something or somebody working OBEAH on all of them.
Anonymous // December 2, 2007 at 2:14 PM
I am getting the impression that a number of influential persons want to argue that documentaryevidence of criminal conduct is required for a “strong” no confidence motion. I have always understood no confidence motions to be about evidence of “poor judgement” on the part of public officers, rather than criminal conduct, which should be handled by the DPP.
The current Prime Minister has quite rightly disciplined Ministers by firing them (evidence of a loss of confidence in them) without any evidence of criminal conduct.
If we make documantary evidence of criminal conduct the requirement for a no confidence motion then we will never develop a culture of acountability in Barbados.
We should not let party loyalties inhibit our march towards a mature democracy. The only relevant question is whether or not the Minister of State in the Ministry of Finance has acted in a “seriously” improper manner inconsistent with his high office not necessarily whether he has broken any laws or rules. This was quite rightly the standard when the prime minister disciplined Dr. Cheltenham, Ms. Thompson and Mr. Payne.
frankology // December 2, 2007 at 4:13 PM
Well said Anonymous. remember Barbadians have short memories or may we say convenient memories. Owen deals with the issue of No-confidence himself. He fire them without DLP’s prompting.
Selby // December 2, 2007 at 8:45 PM
Bush Tea,
What $750,000?
Only FOOLS would believe that rubbish.
And you are certainly a FOOL.
Bush tea // December 2, 2007 at 9:43 PM
“Selby…”
What are you saying about my PM? You calling him a fool?
He certainly seems to believe the story… he was even more shocked than I was….
Wishing in Vain // December 2, 2007 at 10:15 PM
The arrogance of the radio station and Gollop along with the woman Young was a total and dismal failure today, to the point that when Chris made his points the idiot Gollop sounded like he was ready to cry and leave the station, as for Young I would advise her not to give up her day job whatever that maybe because she was extremely poor at doing what she attemped to do today, Mr Greaves stood out heads and shoulders above them in his clear witty and precise replies on every issue, credit must also be extended to Mr David Ellis for easing Young out of the mess that she created and by his intervention to bring some sense to matters and by asking sensibles questions of Mr Greaves to which he replied and clearly showed that Mr Thompson was not delaying as Gollop and Young were trying to suggest and to which Mr Ellis agreed that Mr Thompson was within his rights to do what he was doing.
Then we had the scathing attack by Mr Thompson on Young and Gollop and boy what a job he did, as per usual he was clear precise and exacting in his comments and left both Gollop and Young seeking refuge, finally we had mottley????????
I take my hat off to the contributors to todays show, they made it lively and worthy but sadly the person Young failed badly at her attempt to angle the show towards a blp slant as for Gollop he was found to be sadly lacking and in dire need of training for a show such as this one was, he lost his cool too often and appeared rattled and disorganised, but his constant input while others were speaking showed more importantly his lack of training and his lack of good manners.
frankology // December 2, 2007 at 10:28 PM
Then we had the scathing attack by Mr Thompson on Young and Gollop and boy what a job he did, as per usual he was clear precise and exacting in his comments
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Yes he was clear – he said that he will start the motion in his own time. Why then was he advocating of bringing a no-confidence motion, since he gave the people at the St. James meeting a taste of his intentions and how it will be laid at the next sitting of Parliament. Was it done to be placed on the back burner, or his priorities are in the reverse?
Wishing in Vain // December 2, 2007 at 10:44 PM
You are sadly lost in this event, but like the other citizens you to will have to await the outcome of the next sitting, my question to you is why is it getting your knickers in a twist with when Mr Thompson will debate the matter or not, it will be done when he is ready to do so not when you or I would like to have it debated, the sooner you come to grips with this reality the better it will be for you.
If you are incapable of dealing with that so be it but strangely enough this sequence of recent events as they have unfolded have had the blp in a state of constant confusion , the Prison, VECO, Cheque, the Baths, Danos, 3S, cost overruns at every step along the way,the sneek release of the story to the Toronto branch of the DLP then to have Owing release the identical story the next day, the mention of the cost of living by the DLP and they rush to a half as solution, the vendors permits issued right after Mr Thompson’s visit to the market.
The party is in decline and it is in self destruct mode thanks mainly to Owing and ASSCOLL undermining of mottley.
Wishing in Vain // December 2, 2007 at 11:31 PM
To give everyone a background look into the bias of the setup at VOB today we have a known loyal supporter being assisted by this woman Young now tell me where the fair and reasonable approach is, in this news media???
GONE,GONE,GONE
Kim Young Belgrave wrote
at 12:31am on October 3rd, 2007
please do what you can to get your Barbadian friends on facebook to join the group or at least commit themselves to voting BLP. More news and info will come along as we get closer to an announced date. In the meantime, I am gathering and networking. Look out for a new blog too.
Wishing in Vain // December 2, 2007 at 11:46 PM
I would strongly suggest to this idiot to not wait until elections are called to leave for whereever she wants to go but to pack now and get an early stat on its travels, this is what VOB brought to the show today shame on them.
Kim Young Belgrave replied to Ian’s post
on Oct 16, 2007 at 7:01 AM.
I agree Ian, the country is rife with nepotism and or isms and schisms relative to common p and caps P politicals, and you know what I mean. I, like you, have a British passport and if David gets in,. I will be the first in line at the BA or Virgin ticket counter with a one way ticket back to my hometown. I am prepared even to be an illegal ALIEN anywhere rather than live here under his rule, that is right RULE! Aka dictatorship.
NEPOTISM must go. I am sick of honorary degrees (No disrespect, or yes) being given to any and everyone and for what; I am tired of people getting jobs cos they know somebody’;s aunt or uncle or are in the family yet have no back up or experience or even finished school. I know what u are talking about. But I pull no punches, I keeping it real.
Kim
Wishing in Vain // December 2, 2007 at 11:46 PM
This is the makeup of those that write at the blp facebook site , do you see a pattern here?
Kim Young Belgrave
Angela Davis
Terry -Ann A Jackson-Marshall
Adrian Daisley
Slaine Montgomery
Ezra E Alleyne
Colin Daniel
Kareen Clarke
Kim Young Belgrave
Officers
Kim Young Belgrave
Admins
Kim Young Belgrave
Wishing in Vain // December 3, 2007 at 1:10 AM
These are the 30 members that makeup the blp facebook website.
Angela Davis
Mia Amor Mottley
Arturo Tappin
A Ria Bourne
Sandy Wiltshire
Katy Mapp
Aida Marie Azair
Kareen Clarke
Ian Walcott
Kim Young
Delson Salina
Biko Beckles
Richard Goberdhansingh
George Raizman
Slaine Montgomery
Terry -Ann A Jackson-Marshall
Chanelle Sarkozi
Kristina Grosvenor
Alan Roach
Colin Daniel
Ezra E Alleyne
Kadin Mccann
Rod Westmaas
Esther Dyer
Kareem Abdullatif
Wayne Smith
Winston Mc Pherson
Kim Ellis
Adrian Daisley
Patrick Tannis
Kadri // December 3, 2007 at 7:46 AM
i would like wunna ta read dis
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071203/ap_on_go_ot/nation_in_debt
Mr. Resilient // December 3, 2007 at 10:16 PM
Quite provocative and informative Justin. Nevertheless, I wish you would replace the text books with the social reality. It is there that you may find several other constraints which were omitted. As a challenge, I hope you consider the standard and quality of life juxtaposed to the high cost of living. Yes! There is a practical side that requires your further intellectual analysis.
David // December 8, 2007 at 8:34 AM
Much of the discussion under this topic supports the view that which we are reading about in the morning paper. ‘Fixing’ prices is just not that straight forward. Minister Mascoll Christmas is almost here so you need to Wheel and Come Again!
Dr. Justin Robinson // December 9, 2007 at 11:53 AM
It may be interesting to note that the “Economist” magazine has an article on food prices this week. The “Economist” is reporting that its food price index is at the highest level since it was created in 1845. According to the “Economist’s” food price index, food prices have risen by 75% since 2005. The term”agflation” is used to describe food price inflation and many are referring to the end of cheap food.
Without sounding like a stuck record, I would suggest that the level of competition in the markets we import from is what has moderated how much of this increase has been passed on to the consumer.
The more competitive a market the greater the sharing of the burden of cost increases between consumers and suppliers. The more power firms have the more likely it is that the consumer will bear a relatively larger share of the burden.
Bush tea // December 9, 2007 at 12:39 PM
So would you say Doc, that the pressing incentive for suppliers to merge (as per BS&T et al) is to get themselves into a position where they can more ‘comfortably’ price their items?
..if this is the case – or even an unintended consequence of mergers, should consumers and GOVERNMENT not be fundamentally opposed to such mergers that produce market giants?
…funny thing is that this gloomy prognosis exists in an environment where NO allowances have been made for a large scale global event such as a major natural disaster in a critical area or a major conflict affecting oil supplies….
hmmmmm maybe it is time to start work on another ARK…
Brutus // December 9, 2007 at 1:20 PM
The Economist article is at http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1025042.
Part of the danger is that food distributors and retailers will use the opportunity of rising food prices worldwide not only to pass on these increases to consumers, but also to increase their markup.
Given the limited competition in the local food distribution and retail markets, stronger consumer action is required to counterbalance the power of firms.
Leviticus // December 9, 2007 at 4:31 PM
Biko Beckles? You mean Sir Hilary son? He out of prison? Patrick Tannis? You mean the teifing man that was at FCIB? Kim Young? The girl that always telling lies? Ezra Alleyne the cocaine addict who lost it all? Mia “Bite Muh” Mottley? Who wont leave people girl children? What a combination tho’
Leave me out of that company!
David // December 14, 2007 at 5:45 AM
Here is a link which discusses this issue some more.
Patrick Tannis // January 13, 2008 at 4:05 PM
I bless you Leviticus in the name of the Father the Son and The Holy Spirit, and ask it with immediate effect
Patrick Tannis
David // March 12, 2008 at 1:06 AM
We wonder how much Dr. Robinson’s position has shifted given the current oil price and the projection that it will move upwards even more.
not amused // April 24, 2008 at 4:34 PM
It would be interesting if you stop lying about who writes on the facebook BLP sites as nobody has the time to write on the site at all. Most people are actually trying to catch themselves after seeing a chicken for sale at $25.17 cents at 1st Stop convenience store . I guess we will all have to eat grass. In his first 100 days of office , your comrade in chief has caused more misery and gnashing of teeth than LLoyd Sandiford did in 1991 onwards. Do you see a pattern there ADIAN HINDS? You post on the BLP site we are told!!
Can people be allowed to have their constitutional right to vote for whom they wish or is this now a dictatorship?
David // September 26, 2008 at 4:24 PM
A study by the Sir Arthur Lewis Institute (UWI) has been coming under pressure from people who question how such a study could have been done and exclude factor internal to the market. We have our NGOs, Politicians, Ministers and ordinary Barbadians who are part of the BU family. What do you think?
ROK // September 26, 2008 at 5:13 PM
David,
I am willing to do some investigations because this is ridiculous. UWI have been known to be wrong, maybe we better bring in Peter Wickham.
Imagine that you can get BICO ice cream in T&T for less than you can get it here when you do the conversion. Further, last time I visited T&T, a tin of Veg Franks was TT$18 and this same item sold in Barbados for up to BDS$14.
Recently in St. Lucia, I bought a litre of Pine Hill Dairy Juice (in an automart to boot) for less in EC Dollars that you can buy one here where it is being produced.
So much for the import component. I sthere something about Barbados that magically, once it is in Barbados territory the money seem to magnify. What kind of spectacles we wearing?
Don’t talk about Jamaica or Guyana. I purchased a dress pants from one of those Indian stores in Swan Street for about $50.00, which i thought was reasonable. Imagine that I went to Ja and got three of the same pants for equivalent to BDS$35.00; not 1 but 3 for BDS$35.00. Rewrote it to make sure I can’t be ambiguous.
One Collarless shirt in T&T cost me about TT$100, but in Barbados, they are anywher up to BDS$100.00.
In Jamaica a snack box is about BDS$6.00 we pay more than double here for a few fine pieces of chicken and a handful of chips.
So we are complaining about high prices here. There are two reasons why prices skyrocket like that. 1. The in-between man taking a cut; 2. The taxes imposed on landing in Barbados.
We need some answers. I think that Patrick Cozier may know a bit more than he may claim but I think he gave us a clue as to where our investigations should go.
David // September 26, 2008 at 5:44 PM
@ROK
We are concerned that a study of this importance could be made public with apparently less than rigorous analysis. Are we missing something? Can you make the report available for ’scrutineering’?
Straight talk // September 26, 2008 at 5:52 PM
UWI Huey Phuey.
Anyone who visits the islands know for certain we are the most overtaxed, business manipulated island in the Caribbean.
For $100 I can give you proof of Bajan gouging.
Bush tea // September 26, 2008 at 7:02 PM
…People, let us not get carried away. In rich communities prices are always higher. It is not enough to compare prices in different countries, one also has to compare INCOME levels.
You know how much a lunch cost in Zurich or Tokyo?
In relative terms ROK, a Bds$50 pants in Barbados is much ‘cheaper’ than a Bds$35 pants in Jamaica if a Bajan worker doing the same job as a Jamaican, is working for Bds$1000 when the Jamaican is working for Bds$400.
I don’t care what a boy says, UNLESS we are prepared to bring our BEST BRAINS and OUR OWN resources to bear in meeting our food needs we will continue to pay THE MAXIMUM that can be extracted from us.
My second point is that our aim should NOT be dirt cheap prices, but enough income from our own productivity to be able to AFFORD prevailing prices.
pissed off // September 26, 2008 at 7:14 PM
i buy shurley biscuits and eclipse for $1.10 (barbados $ )in uk each and in bim they cost much more.I might got start bringing them in for friends and family when i visit barbados lol
ROK // September 26, 2008 at 7:19 PM
Bush Tea, I went over it twice hoping to avoid the same misunderstanding that you have. That same $50 BDS pants is $12. BDS is what Jamaicans pay for one pants. 3 is for $35BDS.
Hope this is now clear.
ROK // September 26, 2008 at 7:21 PM
David
Maybe we should take on Straight talk. Are you speaking about the SALISES report? Is that the one you want to scrutinize?
David // September 26, 2008 at 7:34 PM
@ROK
Yes that’s the report we mean.
One layer of pricing in the distributive sector which should be investigated is that caused by the middlemen. There is a group of people in Barbados who are ALLOWED to import products to provide good income for themselves by their Godfathers in the distributive sector. These middlemen need to go!
Also the large entities in Barbados have buyers in North America especially who buy on behalf of companies owned by them and further invoice the local companies. This is known to the authorities, who will have the guts to do anything about it?
Straight talk // September 26, 2008 at 7:39 PM
I’m ready when you are, ROK.
My evidence may be empirical, but in my belief sound.
As far as I know, no scholar of SALISES has ever been part of my crew.
If they have and can bring contradictory evidence all well and good.
Let the truth prevail.
Wondering // September 27, 2008 at 1:57 AM
Jerome Hinds
the BLP left power 9 months.
When will the DLP start taking responsibility for Barbados. Will they still blame the BLP at the next election.
They need to get down to the business at hand and do what the indicated would be done in their manifesto.
We are tired of hearing of what the last administration did. We want to hear what you are doing to lower the cost of living. Sometime in or around last year it was intimated by the then Opposition Leader now Prime Minister David Thompson that a DLP lead government would be able to tackle this problem.
Snake-in-the-grass // September 27, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Admitably I am not a ‘business scholar’ but I have a lot of friends who are ’small business’ people and what they keep saying is that it’s very costly to run a business here.
They say the when all the expenses are factored in ~ such as rent, electricity, phone, employees salary, payment of National Insurance for employees, and in the importation of goods, costs such as Customs Duty, VAT, environmental levy, haulage, freight charges, etc. etc. — all these mount up as a high imput in the enventual cost of getting the goods into their shop.
Then, due to the low spending power of the public and a the low cash receipts at the end of the day, the only way to survive is to apply a heafty ‘mark up’ or profit margin.
This is why a clothing store (boutique) that buys a garment for say 12.oo US, has to sell it for 120.00 BDS or more.
This morning I spoke with a friend who has a ’store’ in a mall on Broad Street, she said some days she sells less than 400.00 and come closing time there are others in the mall who, some days close off without making a single sale.
In circumstances like these all around, it is very difficult to ‘make a living.’
Of course large businesses who are trading in food stuff who have a large turn-over can do better. Businesses like Real Estate agents who do not have to carry an inventory — and so on.
But for the small man, it’s a real struggle.
David // September 27, 2008 at 3:47 PM
@Snake-in-the-grass
Your observation is interesting. Ours is that many small, mainly Black businesses e.g. barbers, beauty salons, small shops etc which have been operating from many sides streets around Bridgetown are closing down or moving to homebased businesses. The rents have become prohibitive and a NEW class of people have been taking up shop.
Maybe this has coincided with the Bridgetown redevelopment?
What will be the fall-out?
David // September 27, 2008 at 4:10 PM
The relatively low prices in Thailand, Malaysia and South Africa are likely to be counterbalanced by higher fuel surcharges on long-haul flights. A family of four is likely to pay nearly £900 in surcharges for a long-haul holiday (involving flights of more than nine hours), compared with just over £600 for a mid-haul break, to a country such as Kenya.
The most expensive country surveyed was Barbados, where the 10 items cost £126.89 – but this was largely because a three-course evening meal with wine costs on average £104.05 for two.
<strong>Read the full article</strong>
Barbados depends on tourism. The slowdown in the world economy and the volatility in the US financial market will affect planned and unplanned travel. The fact that surveys have shown that Barbados is an expensive destination should be cause for rumination by the Barbados tourism headhonchos.
ROK // September 27, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Snake, in the Grass
I think that by the time you get to the small businessman, he is buying at what should be retail prices rather than getting a wholesale price.
For example, I went to banks to buy some beer. I asked what quantity I would have to buy to get a special price. I was told that no matter how much I buy, I would pay the same price.
For some unknown reason, my bills got mixed up with a big monopoly and when I went to pay, I was billed by nearly $500 less for the same amount of product. Don’t ask the outcome.
So it has to be hard for small businesses they are too many induced “in-between” arrangements. The way it is today, you can walk in at RL Seale or any of these wholesale places and buy at so-called wholesale prices as a consumer. That was not the case previously. The term “bulk price” is no longer in the vocabulary of wholesalers.
Under the old practices, there was a ceiling on mark-ups. I do not think they were established by law either. What happened here is that a merchant would supply shops with goods. Based on the retail price set by the merchant, it calculated how much the shopkeeper made and how much was returned to the merchant. Not too many shops got out of this trap, because the merchant would inevitably end up owning the shop.
Today the arrangement is still very much in place, except that it is no longer so straightforward. Sometimes, small businesses have to go to the supermarket after hours, just to be able to keep up with the demand on a small budget. So while there is no lein on the shop, the shopkeeper may find he has to sell just to get out of a situation. Not much different, huh!
I have seen cases in the older days where a man would walk into a store and purchase all of one item that is in the store and then go outside the store and sell them for more in order to make a dollar. When the consumer see the high price at the door and go into the store to get, they would be redirected outside to the man that buy all.
Saw El Verno did that with penny whistles and as he paid for them and got back the receipt, he declared, “I am now the sole supplier of penny whistles in Barbados.” Only, he did not sell them outside the store, he had his way of getting rid of them.
Thus has been the plight of small businessmen in Barbados and it certainly has not changed.
Tell me Why // September 27, 2008 at 7:14 PM
David // September 27, 2008 at 3:47 pm
@Snake-in-the-grass
Your observation is interesting.
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David I can attest to what Snake-in-the-grass is saying regarding the various overheads before talking about break-even further more talking about a profit. You must understand that these ‘green’ business people only stock is the one displayed. Although we have financial players like Fundaccess et al who usually offer follow-up service to its customers, the reality is when these unfortunate owners have to look for rent, salary, utilities and find themselves unable to repay the loan. This is the perennial problem with entrepreneurial disease unless you are out of the status quo family.
ROK // September 27, 2008 at 7:44 PM
One of the factors, and I must say that I am speaking as a layman here with very little knowledge of economics, that is keeping the UK market up is the strength of the currency.
If it was at all possible to increase the value of the Barbados dollar, I think we would solve the problem. It may very well not be as simple as that, but the strength of the pound, may also be contributing to inflation down here.
If for any reason the strength of the pound dropped, I would argue that the UK economy would still be able to weather the storm. How can we reach that position.
Alternatively, how can we drive down prices. I have always been of the opinion that inflation in Barbados is artificial, i.e. induced, but once it gets there, how do you deflate it.
Salaries will always rise in the public service, although not necessarily so in the private sector. However, Government would still be faced with collecting the taxes to foot the bill, hence the continued artificial inflation.
ROK // September 27, 2008 at 8:23 PM
It is a waste of time looking to any financial institution. They have been in the “depravity” mode from inception. Unless this culture of keeping the currency pulled tight to the string changes, we will not get anywhere. The population must have access to currency.
For example a parent should always have access to medical services for the children. What happens on a Sunday or in the middle of the month when funds are low and a child takes ill. health of the child compromised.
A fridge breaks down with all the food in it and you can’t get it timely repaired because of a low budget. You need a months rent to tie you over or a month’s mortgage payment; well as it is now, you suck salt or even lose.
So it is not that you can’t pay, because you pay in the end, but you suffer in-between.
It is so unfair how the banks work against small businesses. They impose penalties on them (illegal as far as I am concerned). I have always said that penalties or fines should be paid into the consolidated fund and that the banks are acting illegally.
The banks put a spoke in the cash flow wheels of small businesses, especially with its policy on handling cheques. This policy does not allow small businesses to plan and when you think of the $90 penalties that flow, you see where small businesses are being robbed.
Sometimes in one month a small business could pay somewhere like $300 in penalties if they happen to have as much as five returned cheques. One returned cheque could cause you so much losses it is a “prey”, because of the ripple effect.
Let’s say that the bank received five cheques to be drawn on your account. One of the cheques which you deposited was not honoured and you were depending on it to be good. This one cheque, let us say was just 100 and causes you to be out by $100 on the cheques you wrote.
Accordingly, the bank would return all five cheques rather than pay four and return one. The rationale here is that they claim that they don’t know which one is important to the client, so rather than be lambasted by the client, they instituted this system they called “not sufficient funds” and they take out between $20 and $30 for not having sufficient funds for each cheque and return them. Then the business which you wrote your cheques to will charge between $50 and $60 as a penalty as well because they are penalised by the bank too, for the cheque which you wrote that is returned. Some businesses are lenient to regular or valued customers.
but this is highway robbery on the part of the bank. In cases where both businesses use the same bank, it means that for that bank, they receive two penalties for one returned cheque.
What is amazing, is that the bank would refuse to give you an overdraft because they earn more with the penalty system than with interest on overdrafts. they know you can pay for the overdraft but they ask you to bring your grat great gradfather and if he is dead, sorry for you. Even if he is alive there is no guarantee. All of that to insure that small businesses do not have acces to money.
Anonymous // September 27, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Justin why you come on here and confound these people head for with a class in Econ 101?
Nobody aint respond to your post yet.
Maybe you should simplify it next time.
Having said that, your analysis missed out on the impact of having a fixed exchange rate to the US$, the limitations of having to use foreign currency for intra-regional trade as well as the inflationary pressures caused by the declining US dollar.
Bush tea // September 28, 2008 at 1:12 AM
So ROK,
Clearly, you are right in your analysis of the Banks. But tell me, if YOU owned the bank, what would you really do differently?
Here we have small businessmen, who, along with family and friends, have saved millions of dollars in credit unions. They then take this money and give it to these same banks to manage for them….. and subject themselves to the kind of treatment that you just outlined…..
You REALLY think we deserve any better treatment?
People ALWAYS get exactly what they deserve……
ROK // September 28, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Bush Tea
What you said there is food for thought. I want you to consider the fact of an imposed socialisation and manipulation. We are led to believe not only that these institutions operate in our interests but that their practices are the right standards. Only, they have a standard for us and another one for them.
Take the credit unions. They operate by a law which stops them from being a bank. I agree that we have the laws in our hands now and can go about structuring our financial institutions as we see fit. In this regard I agree with you.
However, the trappings which our Governments choose observe are also now caught up in international law, influencing exchange rates, etc. I therefore agree with you that the best action is citizens action.
Take for example this EPA. When our Governments sign away the last of our inheritance, it will be left to citizens to take it back. We may not be able to stop the EU from exporting to Barbados, but if we as citizens refuse to buy EU goods, it would effectively reduce these imports to a minimum (Tourists will buy them) and effectively impose a ban on these goods in our supermarkets.
I think we should investigate the reason(s) why our credit unions can’t keep their own money as the banks do. What is stopping them? Why do they have to deposit their money on banks?
I am not going down that road of saying that people get exactly what they deserve. That means we deserved slavery. It means that the Jews deserved the what Hitler shared out. It means too that when you get into an accident and happen to be in the right, you still deserve your injuries.
Does not follow on that point. Reel and come again.
ROK // September 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Bush Tea
Sorry, the very point which I wanted to answer from you is this one:
“But tell me, if YOU owned the bank, what would you really do differently?”
Yes, I would, and for many reason. First, as a Bajan, I would seek to build wealth among us. My bank would have all Bajans and I would want to encourage the riff-raff to lime on the outside, in and around the building at all times to stop white customers too.
Why? Because I would not want to give the highest quality of services which I would not want to offer to any white man. These are some of the things I would do.
1. offer at least 1% more interest on savings and fixed deposits than the best going rate at any bank, and at all times. If they improve their rates, I will improve one notch ahead of them.
2. A cheque from one of my customers will assume it is good until or unless proven otherwise. This will be an attempt to arrest cash flow problems with small businesses. Banks have a 5 day waiting period on cheques, even though they clear them the next morning. So they have your money before the five day period is up and would even penalise you if a cheque came in under the five days although they have your money.
3. Once a customer gets past the original criteria of security, whether it be a commodity or salary, the loan is fast tracked and delivered the same time. We would guarantee to process a loan in two to three days or as soon as data is verified. If it can be verified on the spot, the customer gone clear.
4. Handling returned cheques will not attract a penalty as this is no more effort than handling a good one.
5. My bank would encourage people to be enterprising. Partnership with small new enterprises; Research with the intention of creating new niches, such as in alternative energy, manufacturing and services. Even a competition where the prize would be to support a business plan to fruition.
6. Widely offer internet banking services where bills can be paid for any utility or credit. For example you could pay from your utility bill to a hire purchase account to any business. So you can stay at home, save gas and I would have less of a line in the bank.
7. Consolodate credit for customers where they pay the bank a small sum over a period of time to help them free up disposable income.
You see BT, banking like any other commercial activity is a business. The way banking is approached in Barbados seems to suggest that the banks are not really doing business with Bajans. They merely accommodate you in order to have cash to invest otherwise. We are being used and they put back nothing.
I grew up in business and had sufficient of my own business to know how it functions. Banking is no different, just another sector. In any business you have to learn how to maximise by working with your customers. Save them the trip to town, give them when they don’t have; support their activities and provide them with facilities and amenities.
One of the reasons why I simply got rid of all my businesses is that we as a people have serious sociological, psychological and physiological problems which lead us by the nose. So you would pay a person a weeks wage but they don’t understand that by pilfering, they are cutting off the hand that feeds them. I was not going to start cutting off hands and shooting people who just do not know any better and are led by greed and selfishness reinforced by the society they live in. Therefore, the only thing to do was to get out there and put hands with likeminded persons to turn this around.
This brings me to another point. When you import a foreign culture you also import all their sicknesses. Actually, the US is a good barometer that lets us know what is the next social ill to look out for. The broken homes, the fatherless children, henious crimes, but also some good too, like Rhianna.
The only point I can make about her is that usually these millions and billions will stay in their pockets. If rhianna uses her Millions and soon to be billions (if she is smart) to empower and uplift ordinary Barbadians she will be a hero, outside of that she will just remain famous for her time.
We take our geniuses and turn them into criminals. A good example is Winston Hall. I believe that he was admired not as a criminal but for his cleverness and intelligence. Another one is Theophilus Pile and Buddy Brathwaite. I believe that given the chance these would have been powerful leaders and statesmen.
Bush tea // September 28, 2008 at 1:32 PM
ROK
I give up on you, I leaving you to Carlos Bozie….
You living in a dreamland with your idealistic business ideas. I can’t believe that you actually have business experience and know all the ‘challenges’ of employing lazy, spiteful people.
I put it to you that, had you stayed in business, you would have had to do EXACTLY what the businessmen (banks) that you are criticizing are doing. ….anyway you chickened out so let’s leave it there.
With respect to my assertion that ‘a people ALWAYS get exactly what they deserve’, think twice before you start arguments with the Bush tea.
There are some fundamental LAWS that run this existence that are spiritual in nature, and far more binding than the temporary physical laws of which we are more familiar.
…trust me ROK, the BBE intelligence that manages the whole ’shebang’ called life is WAY more advanced, fair, far-sighted, just, and righteous- than you or I could ever imagine.
… and fools DO always get unfaired. idiots always get taken advantage of, and the lazy always pays in the end.
If we Bajans can save a billion dollars of our own money, put it in institutions under OUR control, and then sit around for outsiders to set rules for us, buy food for us, find jobs for us, and reduce prices for us …. you want to tell me we are being smart? being creative, and being productive.
What smart what?!?
I call it IDIOCY. … and idiots are usually taken advantage of… that is the REALITY of life.
The solution is not to cuss the “smart” advantage-takers, but to WISE UP and take control of our lifes….
Until you ROK, are ready to open a business and do the things that you say, I would humbly suggest that you refrain from criticizing the smart lot who are currently riding us fools into the ground….. talk is cheap.
ROK // September 28, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Bush Tea
I agree with you and that is why I copped out as you said ’cause I ain’t treating Bajans so. Furthermore, I realise that we know not what we do, so why kill my own?
I also agree with you that I should not criticise “the smart lot” either and I am not critical. I realise that they have no allegiance to us so it is a waste of time being critical. I merely pointed out the crookery going on. I did not say they should do this or that. I just made observations.
Now I also have my limitations and I and I know that I am not good when it comes to dealing with the bank and that is key to any business. It just seems as though you never have what you put down. I have always had to seek advice when it comes this as opposed to the business decisions.
I can start a business on nothing and see the business on a successful path. After that, you need managers to manage the system created. That is my problem right there and hence the reason for stepping out. I really cannot and will not bring myself to treat people the way I see them being treated in order to protect property. That is not for me.
I am not a man of wealth and therefore I would never own a bank. I consider that I am in the departure lounge, maybe the flight is delayed, but I have had enough of the “smart lot”. They got we good. I am living for one thing and one thing only; and it’s not for me.
In the short time I have left, I will do all to help empower people. This is the base line. Without empowerment the people will remain lost.
I like how you did that though. Very clever writing. Maybe I should have responded in a less serious tone, but you touched a chord there when you note they are riding us fools to the ground and that talk is cheap, because I am a doer, but there is only so much one man can do. We do not do enough research and we do not talk business sufficiently. Everybody in their little corner, very hush-hush ’cause as it is, you really do not know who is who and there are a lot of cronies out there looking to thief business ideas.
I had the experience of big business trying to buy me out. I can’t say that they succeeded and to my mind I got the better of them because in the end I got what I wanted while they thought that they were shutting me down.
Little did they know I was moving out anyhow, but they wanted me off the scene so they could have the monopoly for themselves. On the other hand, I sold them the rubbish I had at top price that allowed me to get where I wanted to go. This life too short for me to try to travel that road again.
Anonymous // September 28, 2008 at 8:22 PM