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Black Woman Who Reads Is Back~The Other Side Of The Kingsland Estates Court Matter Part II

June 16, 2008 · 24 Comments

Submitted by: Black Woman Who Reads

enlightenmentDear Barbados Underground,

First, I want to say to Pat thank you for your support. I agree about BFP. It is the blog equivalent of the National Inquirer. Unsupported accusations and hard evidence twisted to say what it wants them to say. BU alone, it seems to me, provides what is lacking in Barbados. A credible Fifth Estate doing the job that the “legitimate” Bajan news media ought, and fail, to do. What parades as legitimate press in Barbados is merely, in terms of news, tabloid versions of the Official Gazette.

During the next weeks, I shall be doing my best to obtain court documents on the Kingsland Estates Canadian action issue and will be sending them to Barbados Underground so that David can either post them or comment on them at his discretion. I will also be sending my comments by e-mail which also allows him that option. For the sake of security, just in case some Canadian lawyer manages to persuade a Canadian judge to issue an order to Cable & Wireless (Barbados) Limited on the “see what happens” basis and what happens is my identity is released to all and sundry, I will continue to do what I have been doing, which is to save any anonymous e-mail correspondence or anonymous comments I may want to make into draft form or e-mail document attachment and get my son overseas in a country where “see what happens” will be nothing to send them for me.

I see that I have been variously identified in BFP, Keltruth and even here on BU as being the Chief Justice, Peter Simmons and Iain Deane.

I wish to say to Mr. Deane that I have read his dignified and reasonable statements in Barbados Underground. He appears to have correctly identified the attempt by Keltruth and BFP to get him to commit himself in a manner that will provide them with something (anything, at this stage) to place before the Ontario courts and has refused to be drawn into the issue. Which is correct from his point of view, but if he would only engage in the fray, it would be far more fun for us.

I want to relate a little joke. One Easter, my late husband and myself were visiting family in Dash Valley. This was in about 1964 or 1965 or 1966. Mid 1960s. We lived in the Oistins area and, of course, this was long before the days of cell phones or car phones. On our way home, just by Bannatyne, our car broke down. We had the choice of going into Bannatyne to beg for a phone call, or just walking home, which was not too far. We decided to walk and, as the field underneath Bannatyne did not have tall canes, we walked through the field. Half way through the field, we bumped into Mr. Vernon Knox, Madge’s late ex-husband. Mr. Knox had obviously enjoyed a vigorous bout with Mr. Mount Gay, and Mr. Mount Gay had won. Mr. Knox had elected (which I understand was a habit with Mr. Knox) to walk home to Bannatyne from Kingsland. In addition to not being too secure on the feet (but neither was my husband) Mr. Knox was very upset and annoyed with the Deane brothers and with Muriel Deane. In fact, he was very annoyed with everybody at Kingsland. He, a Venezuelan, had attempted to point out to all and sundry that English was a very inferior language, that Spanish was greatly superior and that Spanish customs ought to be imported into the English language in order to improve it. For example, he cited the sound made by the letter F and said that it was only correctly spelt by the letters P and H. Mr. Knox felt himself to have been ridiculed and mocked by inferior intellects (although he used different words for them) when Vere Deane asked if that meant that he spelt “fart” P H A R T. We were unable to help Mr. Knox home, as he got the impression that we too were mocking him as a result of my late husband indulging in a bout of what I like to call “stand-pipe laughter”.

But seriously:

This whole case, if you look at the documents David has already posted, is an unjustified and unsupported attack on Barbados itself, its laws, governments, institutions and people since 1958. It is, in effect, a deliberate attempt to harm Barbados and its people and to bring them into disrepute internationally.

And why would anybody want to do that?

Simple. Barbados has failed to allow a billionaire (Peter Allard) and his toadies and agents (Madge Knox, “Professor” John Knox, Kathy Davis and Jane Goddard) to annex it and declare Mr Allard, in effect, king and therefore exempt in law, like Elizabeth II, from all laws.

Without doubt “Professor” John Knox would be appointed prime minister and minister of education by King Peter (forget about any elections) and Jane Goddard would be attorney-general (also unelected, but on the basis of her tremendous grasp of law gained through all the law cases her mother has lost).

As for the saintly Madge, well, I have no doubt the plan would have been something like that she would be enshrined as a goddess, like Vesta was in ancient Rome and be waited on by Bajan virgins (where available and while stocks last). Naturally, the virginity of Madge would be proclaimed and her three offspring declared immaculate conceptions. Now, the last time that happened, there was a Star in the East, but Madge would say that she found that ostentatious and vulgar. The truth, however, is that Mr. Allard and the Knox family have not yet found a way to arrange for a star from the East, but they are working on it. Barbados is merely a warm-up…..in which they are ably assisted by Little Billy Goat McKenzie.

I think I can speak for most Bajans when I say that we would like to have Mr. Allard’s money, but not at the expense of our independence and liberty. We fought too hard for those.

Both Mr. Allard and Little Billy Goat (LBG), with or without legal teams, are welcome to come to Barbados any time they want. So is “Fishy” Heaslet. We will welcome them all, protect their bodies (but there is not much we can do about their minds) and generally be the kind of hosts that we Bajans are famous worldwide for being and which makes people from other countries make return visit to our shores time and time again.

But Allard, LBG and Fishy must obey our laws and respect our institutions and the collective will of our people in the same way we respect theirs when we visit their countries. If they cannot, please leave in peace and leave us in peace.

As for Madge Knox and her children, well what do we say to them? No one forces them to stay in Barbados. Their father and Madge’s late ex-husband was a Venezuelan so they must have some sort of ancestral rights there. I am sure that Mr Chavez and his cronies would be only too happy to welcome them and afford them the rights and liberties – and court decisions – that they feel are denied them in Barbados and by the Privy Council in London.

If, on the other hand, they should find the superior freedom of Venezuela too much of a psychological leap for them after the severe oppression they have lived under in Barbados and they elect to stay in Barbados, they will just have to put up with our oppressive laws and inadequate judicial and other systems and, like the rest of us, institute changes through means other than annexation. Or, like Kathy Davis, they can find some other corruption-free country where everything works perfectly. Like the United States which, according to Kathy Davis in Keltruth, leads the rest of the world in its lack of racial prejudice.

Seriously, though, we all know that there are areas of corruption and institutions that do not work here in Barbados. We know there is a lot to be done. But you know something…..there will ALWAYS be a lot to be done. That is the march of progress and it is also human nature. We know the traditional press does little or nothing to push for changes and improvements and we know that certain of the blog press has succesfully filled the void of the castrated Fifth Estate in Barbados. However, blogs like Barbados Free Press and Keltruth by their bias and prejudice and (until now) hidden agendas have highlighted and made us (me at any rate) all too aware of the vigilance that must be exercised by us citizens in order to avoid the creation of a climate like that which existed in Europe in the 1930s and gave rise to the various facist movements like Franco in Spain, Mussolini in Italy and you-know-who in you-know-where. In case Kathy Davis misses the point, it was also situations like the one she is trying to help to create that spawned the dictatorship in Romania about which, as a very brief departure from the hammering she usually gives us on Kingsland, she has complained in connection with Royal honours given to heads of state by Her Majesty the Queen.

So here is a question for you all. What is the difference between the Knox/Allard faction and the West Coast developers who are trying to deny Bajans access to their own beaches? I cannot see any basic difference at all, but if you can, please let me know. By the way, did you know that Richard Cox is a Bajan? From birth, I believe.

As said, I have been variously identified as being the Chief Justice, Peter Simmons and, most recently, Mr. Deane. However, I could easily also be any one of the lawyers who have been involved in this issue, any one of the defendants, OR precisely what I am – an old Bajan woman who had the good fortune to be what is taken for grated today, educated, and has learned to reason for myself, rather than being someone to be blindly led up the garden path by Madge Knox, her children, Allard, LBG and BFP, not to forget “Fishy” Heaslet.

I have managed to obtain and I attach a copy of the Affidavit of John Knox in the Canadian action sworn August 3, 2007 in support of Nelson Barbados’ claim. I have also been able to obtain and will attach by e-mail to BU within a week or so the affidavit of Mr. Clyde Turney in response to the Statement of Claim. Other documents will follow in due course as and when I get my hands on them.

Since Keltruth has devoted 98% of its blog to attempting to try this matter in the court of public opinion and since Barbados Free Press too have devoted so much space to the advancement of the agenda of Keltruth and since, in my view, this is a very serious attempt to negatively impact and annex our country and people, let us by all means refer the matter to the Barbados Court of Public Opinion – don’t you think annexation deserves a referendum? The question is Elizabeth Windsor or Peter Allard? But, let us provide Barbados with the documents it needs in order for it to make a decision and eschew the selected and edited and deliberately misinterpreted documents spoon fed us, like if we were infants, by Keltruth and BFP. Finally, Horatio, Lord Nelson was a great man who protected our little island from conquest and annexation. That his name, so honoured by us in Barbados, should be usurped and used by a group of people intent on our take-over, is insulting to Lord Nelson and I devoutly hope that wherever he may be, he will arrange something interesting for them

I rest my case…….but only for the moment.

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24 responses so far ↓

  • David // June 16, 2008 at 6:05 PM

    BWWR we have not censored the first paragraph because you are entitled to your opinion.

  • Chris Halsall // June 16, 2008 at 6:40 PM

    I am *so* not getting into this… (But am observing the process with extreme interest…)

    However, I would like to point out an error in BWWR’s first paragraph — their reference to “A credible Fifth Estate”.

    Please note that within this context, the “Press” is the “Fourth Estate”. Please note, however, that this is a common mistake Canadians make because of a popular news program by the same name.

    This is brought forward as nothing but as an observation, from a trained observer…

    References: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Estate

  • David // June 16, 2008 at 6:43 PM

    CH maybe one of the BU family members who has been following this matter from the 90s can give the BU family a brief summary in bullet form.

    We are trying to catch-up at our end.

  • Chris Halsall // June 16, 2008 at 6:48 PM

    David…

    Can you *please* turn off the smiley faces? My text above ended with “dot dot dot closing-bracket”. Not a smiley face.

    If I had meant a smiley face to appear, I would have written “semi-colon dash closing bracket”.

    Lets test this:

    (“dot dot dot closing-bracket” -> …)

    (“semi-colon dash closing bracket” -> ;-)

    It interrupts the flow and message…

    P.S. I actually have no idea how the above will render. This is an empirical experiment…

  • David // June 16, 2008 at 6:52 PM

    We have acceded to your request CH. Life can be beautiful eh?

  • Chris Halsall // June 16, 2008 at 7:01 PM

    David.

    Thank you.

    And to answer your question: Indeed it can. In fact, could it be otherwise, given the alternatives?

  • Carson C. Cadogan // June 16, 2008 at 7:55 PM

    Black Woman Who Reads

    Talk what you like but no one in Barbados can beat Barbados Free Press.

    It is super!

    Without it we would have been saddle once again with the crooked BLP.

  • Straight talk // June 16, 2008 at 8:43 PM

    You been to see Mr Mount Gay, BWWR?

    I have followed your previous enlightening posts with a sense of increasing perspective upon the whole family saga.

    Your last rambling attempt however makes me wonder if my confidence in your side of the story has been misplaced.

    Stick to the facts , not trivial chance encounters to bolster your credibility.

  • Politically Incorrect // June 16, 2008 at 9:38 PM

    BWWR is in my opinion a composite.

    Analyzing the writing style: it changes.

    Not one person involved in that handle MANY.

    WHY?

  • Pat // June 16, 2008 at 9:43 PM

    chris halsall:

    The Press, as I understand it is the Fourth Estate. Blogs, news programs are referred to as the Fifth Estate. In Canada the “fifth estate” is a news program which explores what mainstream press does not, or are censored from doing. In this way, our Fifth Estate is no different from BFP and BU.

    BWWR,

    I suppose Mr. John Knox was too cheap to hire a lawyer and prepared his own affidavit himself. It is rambling, in parts incoherent, and has no factual dates. I really dont get the objective of his affidavit. Is he saying that because the prison was built at Dodds, he and his mother lost a business opportunity? Was an offer made to purchase the land for this purpose?

    I am no legal brain and cannot see the point of his Affidavit. What did he hope to gain?
    What does it clarify?
    What is his position?
    Is anything made clearer by this document?
    What is with the hearsay from cousin Charles?
    And why did Jane Goddard ‘memorialized’ the date, etc., is it on a headstone somewhere? lol

    Carson C. Cadogan:

    It is generally agreed that the BFP helped Bajans to vote out the previous government, however, we are still waiting for the ITAL, and other 100 days promises, from this new government. It seems to me that BFP may be regretting at leisure.

  • Chris Halsall // June 16, 2008 at 10:35 PM

    Pat.

    Thank you for this…

    I will concede this point, in so far as it might be appropriate to describe any media which is able and willing to pass beyond what the traditional “Forth Estate” are willing to do.

    (Although I am not aware of a formal definition of this anywhere, I’m willing to put my name behind same. And, of course, I am as always more than willing to be corrected.)

    This does mean that there may now need to be a “Sixth Estate”, which previously was the “catch-all” which was the Fifth, for any entities which were not the First through Fourth…

    Fun and games…

  • Pat // June 16, 2008 at 11:48 PM

    Chris Halsall, you real funny. Good idea though.

  • Anonymous // June 17, 2008 at 7:32 AM

    BWWR: It was only a moatter of time, once you were given free reign and considerable encouragement from some very naive posters, that you would finally show your hand and reveal your true motivation.
    It is clear that you have a deep and personel hatred and resentment of the Knox family and so anything you say should be immediately suspect for it’s veracity.
    Most of what you have stated n this your latest post is absolute rubbish and smacks of the same sort of “National Enquirer” reporting that you accuse BFP of.
    Surely you do not expect intelligent people to believe that a legal battle between the Knox/Deane family and a large group of high profile defendants is some how: ” an unjustified and unsupported attack on Barbados itself, its laws, governments, institutions and people since 1958. It is, in effect, a deliberate attempt to harm Barbados and its people and to bring them into disrepute internationally. I’ve never heard such melodramatic rubbish in my life.
    To further suggest that Mr. Allard, Mr. Heaslet and the extended Knox family are somehow plotting to remove the democratic process in Barbados and place themselves on some sort of royalist throne, makes you look BWWR like someone who has had far too much Mount Gay.

  • Anon 2 // June 17, 2008 at 7:52 AM

    Thank you, BWWR. I don’t care what sex you may be and I don’t care who you are. Debates and guessing games about that are being used by the Knox/Allard faction simply to try to distract readers from the important issues you raise and the documents you are making available to us readers of BU.

    Briefly, however, in order to “show willing”, I will speculate. Your sex is irrelevant. I think it is entirely possible that you are an extremely experienced criminal law trial lawyer whose specialty is with juries. Certainly, the area of your expertise has got to be criminal law and the way you present your arguments suggests to me that you are in the habit of doing so in front of juries, rather than a panel of three judges that one has in appeals and for which a QC would usually be used, so I do not think you are a QC.

    I have followed this case for some time and I am friendly with the older members of the Deane family. Let me tell you briefly how I see it.

    By 1990, when the Deanes were first approached to sell Kingsland, the sugar industry was a dead industry. It was quickly becoming apparent that Kingsland could not continue to support the shareholders as it had and that they were going to be left with only the roofs over their heads and that they would have to support themselves on their state pensions alone.

    So, at 75 years old, the eldest of the family, Muriel Deane had no other assets other than her Kingsland shares and nor did any of the others.

    Of the others, Colin Deane had died in 1982, Vere Deane was 72 years old, Erie Deane would have been about 70, Madge Knox would have been around 68, Keith – 67 and Lee 65. All of them over retirement age.

    The only other two shareholders were Iain and Owen and while Owen owned only 10 shares, Iain owned a full quote inherited from Colin and out of which, according to un-litigated court documents, he had never received any benefits of any kind – but that is not relevant here, at least only peripherally.

    So, when in 1990, with the family in irretrievable disarray including complete breakdowns in communications between each other, SBG offered them each $1 million for their shares, it was at that time an excellent offer and they all accepted.

    It meant that all those over 65, which was most of them, would be able to find comfortable accommodations instead of the dilapidated plantation houses they were living in and they could look forward to a certain degree of comfort and financial security in their retirement and old age.

    In 1992, all of them, including Madge, signed an agreement to sell their shares to SBG with a deposit of $1 million of which $400,000 would be forfeit pro rata to the shareholders if the sale did not complete and SBG was at fault for this.

    By 1994, it was clear that SBG was not going to be able to come up with the money. So, the contract was cancelled and the $400,000 forfeited and divided pro rata amongst the shareholders.

    At that time, there was a judgment debt against Kingsland outstanding in respect of the two beach properties on Maxwell Coast Road.

    In order to protect those properties, each of the shareholders loaned Kingsland half of the monies forfeited to them by SBG.

    This was just days before the properties were due to be auctioned in settlement of the judgment debt and at the same time as Mr. Peter Allard was boasting at the Waterfront Café in my hearing that he intended to snap the properties up for a million dollars at the auction.

    Madge Knox’s share of this loan to Kingsland was the subject of the lawsuit the judgment on which was published by David in BU. Look for the judgment of Goodridge J.

    With the failure of SBG, the Deane family was once again up the creek financially and they could not appear to find a buyer for their shares.

    Forget all about the posturing of Peter Simmons et al about how SBG was still alive – it was dead. Simmons et al had received a lot of press coverage and, having failed so publicly, were simply trying to save face. They are human like the rest of us and we would do exactly the same thing in a small community like Barbados – try to save face.

    There were some abortive attempts to buy Kingsland thereafter, but none of them came to anything.

    In 1997, Clyde Turney, acting on behalf of an un-named client, which is a standard practice and not invested with any of the mystery and malpractice that Keltruth imputes to it, made an offer to purchase Kingsland and the directors and shareholders except Madge Knox and Iain Deane, seized on this like starving dogs on a bone.

    By this time, the older lot were all living in decayed houses and Muriel, the eldest, was 82 years old, while Lee, the youngest, had been diagnosed with terminal cancer of the intestines and given mere months to live.

    Iain and Madge held out because Iain had filed a lawsuit against Kingsland – a lawsuit which, despite my friendship with Erie and Keith and Lee, I must tell you in my opinion stood every chance of succeeding with (my estimate) costs and damages of a minimum of $6 million awarded to Iain.

    That is the $6 million that has so exercised Kathy Davis’ mind in Keltruth and if, as she suggests, Iain achieved that, good for him – congratulations, well done.

    So Iain was not going to accept the same offer made the other shareholders – and rightly – without Iain’s agreement, Classic could have done nothing with Kingsland.

    Madge’s position was different. She had been a director of Kingsland between December 1985 and September 1995, so she really did not have a case. So Madge firmly attached herself to Iain’s coat tails and, in retrospect, was keeping her eyes open for what appared to be better prospects.

    The other shareholders and their attorneys and Classic and Mr. Turney set about drawing up an over 40 page contract for the sale of shares to Classic.

    The date of signing was December 17th, 1997.

    On December 19th, 1997, Mr. Allard, having finally caught on to the same business opportunity that Mr. Cox had identified, also made an offer. But is was not for the purchase of shares. It was for the purchase of 1.5 acres of beach-front property on Maxwell Coast Road for a US$1 million and the refinancing of Kingsland for development purposes with Allard to take 15% of the gross of all land sales. Not for the purchase of the shareholders’ interests in Kingsland.

    In other words, Kingsland would continue to be run by its almost exclusively octogenarian (and tired) board of directors and Allard would take 15% of the gross land sales and, if Kingsland did not did not turn the financial corner in 2 years, well, Mr. Allard would have his options in law…..

    But any offer, by that time, was a moot, and the directors, knowing that over 70% of Kingsland had been contracted to be sold to Classic, would have been sued (and lost) from every angle if they had attempted to sell anything from Kingsland – but, of course, they could NOT sell anything from Kingsland in the first place, because Kingsland’s assets were frozen by an injunction granted to Iain from the courts.

    So, Mr. Allard had lost out and the elderly Kingsland shareholders were looking forward to some comfort and freedom from financial worry in their old age, provided Classic could manage to strike a deal with Iain and the sale proceed. All except Lee Deane, who succumbed to his cancer in early 1998.

    Mr. Allard, in searching for a way to hijack Classic’s purchase of Kingsland, settled on Madge Knox, possibly due to the fact that as she and Iain were very close at the time, Allard may even have inferred that Madge had Iain in her back pocket – this is just surmise on my part and based on the fact that Mr. Allard is a Canadian lawyer and presumably had a better than average idea of the pitfalls involved in his attempted hijack of Classic’s contract and the fact that a claim by Madge to have a right of first refusal could not work.

    I suggest that it would certainly explain the vitriol of Keltruth and BFP’s attacks on Iain Deane, in face of the only message I have seen from Iain in which he expressed great affaction for Madge and her children last year. Keltruth, on the other hand, behaves like a jilted lover bent on revenge. And revenge is, I think, the object of this whole action in Canada.

    From the documents I have seen, Madge did indeed attempt to bring Iain on board some time in February 1998 and, frankly, the only reason I can see why this would have failed (and did fail) would have been that Iain was by then satisfied with the offer made to him by Classic and may even have been committed to that offer. I don’t know. I have no way of knowing hat went on in the negotiations there. So maybe Iain did jilt Madge and not let her in on what he was doing. Who knows.

    So a brief summary just to pull everything together is that Madge attached herself to Iain Deane, but once she thought that Peter Allard offered her a greater advantage, she changed her allegiances. That is the way the evidence reads.

    Classic and Iain signed their contracts in October 1998, 10 months after the other shareholders had signed their contracts.

    About 2 weeks later, Madge sued Kingsland, its shareholders and Classic, thus making absolutely sure that Classic could, if it wanted, support and maintain financially the defence of the impecunious Kingsland shareholders.

    It is to be noted that the impoverished Kingsland shareholders could not even use their shares as collateral for loans to fight Madge’s action as Madge had frozen those shares through the courts – only Madge could, and did fraudulently, use her shares for collateral (see the decision of Greenidge J. posted in BU).

    In 2003, the 88 year old Muriel Deane died, having never managed to sell her shares and provide herself with some modicum of financial security and comfort in her old age.

    By June 2005, Madge Knox’s appeals were exhausted when she lost her appeal to the Privy Council.

    She also had a legal bill of some $4.320 million owed to Peter Allard (see the Goodridge decision filed in BU) and was facing a combined costs order that she had to pay for the legal expenses of Kingsland, its shareholders, directors and Classic of a further approximate $6 million.

    So, over $10 million expended on a case that, frankly, never had a scintilla of a chance of succeeding.

    I have to speculate that the modus operandi of the Knox/Allard group was to prey on the ages and finances of the Deane defendants and delay in the hopes that (a) Classic would get fed up with waiting and go away, (b) the elderly shareholders would die and their shares would pass to more amenable shareholders and (c) everyone could be bludgeoned by Mr. Allard’s billions into submission.

    In other words, it was all a tremendous gamble, that it FAILED.

    Because it was a gamble, I suspect there probably exists some sort of contract in writing between Mr. Allard and Mrs. Knox whereby Mrs. Knox is indemnified by Mr. Allard. When Mrs. Knox started this litigation, her lead counsel was Sir Henry Forde.

    I, a retired person, have known Sir Henry for many years – almost all both of our lives – and given the standard of attorney that Henry is, I find it difficult to believe that he would willingly permit his client to go into a case which, as he himself a specialist in corporate law would have known at a glance, was an action of no merit, without trying to ensure that his client was protected from ALL angles. Trust me for this, Henry Forde would not have willingly allowed his client to expose herself in this case, without a lot of insurance.

    Of course, there is very little that any counsel can do in the face of a determined client, so I cannot say with certainty that a secret agreement does exist, so I merely propose it to explain why Mr. Allard was willing to loan Mrs. Knox almost $4.5 million in order to prosecute an action that Mr. Allard, himself a lawyer in Canada, must have had the competence to know was a non-starter.

    And what security did Mr Allard accept in order to cover himself against civil and criminal actions for champerty (when a non-party supports the actions of a party in a litigation for their own benefit)?

    A mortgage on the Goddard property at Hanson, then worth about $500,000 and supported by Madge Knox’s shares in Kingsland that Mr. Allard must have known (and if he didn’t he had the obligation to find out) were subject to litigation and that the transfer of them to him or anyone else would be fraudulent and subject to reversal at the instance of the person defrauded (See the Greenidge decision posted in BU).

    Now, in order to do what, Heaven only knows, Madge Knox/Allard/Nelson have launched this lawsuit in Canada. The only rationale I can come up with is that they are exacting their revenge by getting individual Bajans and Barbados and its government and institutions to pay legal costs in Canada.

    But also it appears to me that there may be a darker and far more sinister agenda going on. I don’t know what it is, but if I find out, I will let you know. Or if you know, you tell me. Tell us all.

    Or it could simply be that Peter Allard, with his billions is unaccustomed and not prepared to be told NO!

    I hope this helps everyone to understand the issue better.

    I, of course, do fully understand the affidavit of John Knox and I am deeply disturbed by the abuse of legal process that it exhibits. Any lawyer in Barbados preparing that for a client to sign would have his knuckles at least rapped by the CJ and possibly a small bite that would not break the skin from our almost toothless Bar Association. In Canada, with its completely toothless Law Society of Upper Canada, it is unlikely that Mr. McKenzie will be sanctioned or disciplined at all or even gummed slightly. However, in England and Wales, let me assure you that if any lawyer was responsible for an affidavit like that Knox affidavit, he would almost certainly face suspension or disbarment. Believe me, as an abuse of judicial process, it is that bad.

    David and BWWR, thank you very much for bringing this affidavit to our attention. How can we hope to reform a judicial system in Barbados or anywhere else when there are officers of the Courts that will sanction such abuse. I can explain it for you and where my concerns lie, but I think by now you have heard more than enough from me.

  • Wishing In Vain // June 17, 2008 at 8:04 AM

    A lot of hot air about nothing going on here, the Privy Council has ruled on this matter before and for some reason I trust their verdict and their judgment to be made in good sense.

  • BWWR // June 17, 2008 at 8:11 AM

    Well, Anonymous, it is good to be clear what side we ae on and we now know which one you are on. Mount Gay and all. And you, sir/madam, are allowed. Just like I am.

  • Keltruth Corp. // June 17, 2008 at 9:49 AM

    On Keltruth: “Anon 2 said,
    in June 14th, 2008 at 6:47 am

    My mother, Black Woman Who Reads, has asked me to post these Reasons of the Ontario Superior Court of Justice here. ”

    On BU: “Anon 2 // June 17, 2008 at 7:52 am

    Thank you, BWWR. I don’t care what sex you may be and I don’t care who you are.”

    Anon 2,

    The first quote states that you are the daughter of Black Woman Who Reads (BWWR).

    The second quote implies that you do not know either the sex or the identity of your mother.

    I would be grateful if you would be kind enough to explain this contradiction.

  • no name // June 17, 2008 at 11:09 AM

    Anon2,

    You seem to have a good grasp on the Kingsland affair. Do enlighten us further.

    Amazing that a company with such valuable land and other assets as Kingsland owns would have found itself in such dire financial difficulties.

    You say that Kingsland was had serious financial problems. What caused this?

    So far you have not mentioned the background to what could only have been some “poorly conceived and badly managed, uneconomical” Kingsland backed major housing developments at Sheraton Park, Regency Park, South Ridge, Adams Castle, Kingsland & Wotton along the ABC Highway, Fort George Heights, Dash Valley, Hanson Heights, Lower Burneys etc.

    Who were the developers with whom Kingsland affiliated itself and are they in the same financial state as Kingsland/have they gone bankrupt? Were they also unable to afford to file, as is required by law in all other cases, Audited Financial Statements which we have been told Kingsland has failed to do?

    Also, do tell us about the Kingsland backed Government land acquisitions and what subsequently happened to the lands and the money owed to Kingsland by the Government.

    This is becoming exciting and more intriguing by the day and we have not even heard the details of the SBG deal from another perspective.

  • Anon 2 // June 17, 2008 at 11:52 AM

    Dear no name,

    BU readers asked if anyone could enlighten them on what happened with the sale of shareholders shares in Kingsland. In other words, the shareholders’ PERSONAL belongings.

    I hope my response helped them to understand what had happened and the dire circumstances in which members of the Deane family who were shareholders, found themselves PERSONALLY.

    Your questions, however, go to the running of Kingsland Estates Limited, which was and is a CORPORATE matter for the board of directors to deal with. And I am not going there as I have none of the information you seek, nor any interest in trying to obtain it.

    It is sufficent and a great comfort to me to know that my old friend, Vere, is well looked after (aged 90) in his retirement home and can afford whatever medical attention and anything else he needs. Erie has to be 88 at least and his wife is not that well, so it is good to know that he can afford whatever he needs to make both of them comfortable. Keith is probably about 84 or 85 now and his wife, like Vere, is 90 and not very well – they too now have comfort in their old age and that makes me feel good.

    You need, in my opinion, to address your questions to the secretary of Kingsland and I wish you all the best for obtaining the information you have sought from me.

  • Anon 2 // June 17, 2008 at 1:07 PM

    In response to your query about why Anon 2 claimed to be the daughter of BWWR, I have no idea. I was unaware that anyone else was using the name Anon 2. But thank you for pointing it out. My apologies to Anon 2 and to BWWR and I will now instead use the monniker “Anon 3″. I do sincerely apologise for the confusion. Tell Madge for me.

  • Keltruth Corp. // June 17, 2008 at 2:09 PM

    But Iain, the Anon 2 claiming to be the daughter of BWWR on Keltruth was in possession of court documents that only a defendant would have!

    Should we assume that you have as many as three separate anonymous friends contributing on your behalf? Friends that don’t know each other? Friends that have the same propensity for unfounded character attacks?

    And what about Anon 12 on Keltruth, who has both the same bombastic style, knowledge of the Canadian Action, and comments on the same topics. Is that another anonymous friend of yours?

  • Anon 3 // June 17, 2008 at 2:35 PM

    Dear Keltruth,

    Iain is not my name. If you are referring to Iain Deane, it seems to me that he has made his position clear. At least to me he has and, as he asked that his position be respected, I intend to respect it. I would suggest that you do the same.

    It appears to me that anyone who takes a differing position to yours is accused of either being the Chief Justice, Peter Simmons or Iain Deane. You have a wealth of other defendants to choose from, so give us a little variety.

    You have had your say endlessly in Keltruth and in Barbados Free Press. Barbados is a very just society and would like to hear the other side. As for bombast, well you know far more about that than I.

    Peace and good wishes.

  • no name // June 17, 2008 at 3:44 PM

    Thank you Anon 2.

    Comforting to hear the aged Deane’s are well off, satisfied and well taken care of. That’s the best one could hope for in old age.

    BTW, can Anon 2 or anyone tell me who is the Secretary of Kingsland these days?

  • Pat // June 17, 2008 at 8:03 PM

    Anon 2,

    Are you telling me that a lawyer prepared that Affidavit for John Knox? I would have done a
    better job. I was under the impression that he
    did it himself and did not get a legal review. Why dont you send a copy to the Law Society of Upper Canada if you are sure a Canadian lawyer did it?

    What a case. What a storyline. What a film script. It seems to me that the poor old Deanes would have gladly take whatever was offered if they had come to such dire straights. Where were all the highly educated young people during this time. How come they were not supporting the family and protecting their inheritances.
    From riches to rags it seems, easy come, easy go.

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