Can you elaborate?

Just was reading the tangle between you and the “PDC”
Dnn’t waste your time. These gentlemen are jokers.

Well, we do wish you every success in making it through your policy review position paper.

And, we of course do look forward to your response to our last posting under this thread.

And, yes, we really do hope also that you DONT get yourself too filled up with much of the very meretricious and biassed information and details that normally come from this very elitist, very eurocentric, very politically economically driven ECONOMIST magazine, Sir.

So, for now our best regards, Chris!

PDC

Thank you, kind sir. I haven’t laughed quite so hard in quite some time…

I will respond to your above at some point in the future, but not today. I’ve got a policy review position paper due, and a new Economist to read. Now there’s 100 pages worth considering!!!

Kindest regards to all.

Good that you said you would have read 100 pages of our 2006 Pre-election Manifesto, but it is so unfortunate that you sped-can the rest of the pages.

However, what we are politely asking you to do, Chris, is to properly re-read the segment on economics in order to have a good understanding of the reason why we are rejecting economics as an idea/discipline and practice. For, it is economics that has for eons been dastardly helping to destroy many of the the life chances of the vast majority of people (millions upon millions ) across the world and thus helping to make them poor and weak and to remain this way for as long as possible; that has been wickedly unfairly helping to make ONLY a few millions of people greedily rich and contemptibly powerful; and at the same time that has been disgustingly helping to cause the enormous multitudes of middle classes across the world to be continuing to exist in a global state of serious crisis. Therefore, why should any objective, rational persons of the masses and middle classes any where across the world – including Barbados – NOT openly reject such! Why? Why should they NOT object to this elitist/neo/colonialist/imperialist/fascist vampire concept and practice called economics? Indeed, economics is one of the worst and most destructive things that has ever been invented by humankind!!

Too, what we ask you to do is to carefully re-read the segment on economics in our Manifesto to also get a sufficiently good grasp of some of the definitions of economics. For, clearly you are falsely cavalierly misbelieving that economics – which too is a study – is little more than math and therefore is a study that is applied to a study and analysis of human nature and behaviour in constrained environments. Sir, and we ask you to be very careful with the redundancy and tautology, there!! Where we are concerned, Chris, we have defined economics – whether in terms of it being an idea, discipline or practice – as the inverted political ideology, philosophy and psychology of the caucasian man ( mainly the elitist patriarchal caucasian man ), and that has been used by him to help seriously exploit non-elitist caucasians in Europe and beyond, and almost ALL other non-caucasian peoples across this world, so that he can continue to accumulate great hordes of wealth at the expense of those others and at the same continue to dominate these other peoples. There are, of course, some others who define economics as the study/the allocation of scarce resources to satisfy human wants. Too, the Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English ( the third edition with new words supplement) defines economics as the study of the way in which goods and money are produced and used. So, sir, your failure to include in your definition any one of the central variables (goods, resources, money,etc) involved in the actual production and distribution of goods and services in a country, speaks voluminously as to the inveterate knowledge you need to greater and quicker possess on economics and its mal effects on the aforementioned peoples, if you are really to found in the vales of any meaningful discussions on so-called economics. Whereas, it is true that many aspects of economics are today expressed mathematically and statistically, the fact is that mathematcs and statistics HAVE NEVER and WILL NOT NOW START to juxtapose for controlling any type of general human social behaviour. For, it is only the divine, the social, the political, or the psychological, or any combination of the foregoing, that is responsible for economic thinking and practice. Understood!!

Finally, Chris, you claim that there is NO TRUE analysis as to how we are going to achieve our policy measures. But the truth is that though our Pre-election Manifesto is really more than a manifesto and far exceeds anything that the DLP/BLP and any other parties have published over the many elections we have had since independence – you still CANNOT believe or reasonably EXPECT to compare, methodologically speaking, this manifesto with some kind of doctoral dissertation, magnus opus, or some kind of scientific study of the gamut of events that have been happening, politically and otherwise, in Barbados for a resonable length of time. To do so would be so unfair to judge it that way, if you know – Chris – what a Manifesto document is!! Also, sir, contrary to what you propound – our party has in fact provided analysis on top of analysis as to how theoritically and methodologically we are going to achieve the many policy objectives that are contained in our manifesto. We have even gone further to outline as well as layout in our manifesto the strategies that are going to tremendously assist a furure PDC Government in the achievement of these objectives.

Moreso, and very importantly too, is that we have gone as far as to put these said policy measures to the test by participating in the last general election – and with good results too – and by assuring the many voters of this country that it is these very rational, workable, farreaching policy measures that we shall surely unmistakeably put in place whenever we become at the helm of the government of this country, so that the masses and middle classes of the country and the country itself will be able to experience the greatest and best leap forwarding transformation there could ever be in the political, social, material and financial affairs of Barbados.

So, Chris, there you go!!

Our best regards.

PDC

PDC

I assume, from inference, that I’m actually “speaking” to Mark A. Adamson?

I just spent a bit of time reading your Manifesto. Actually, being 391 pages, I only really read about 100 pages of it, but I did speed-scan the rest.

I came away with the following:

1. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about what exactly is Economics. You argue that it should be rejected, because it’s used to keep the poor people down.

Economics is little more than Math, applied to the study and analysis of human nature and behaviour in constrained environments. You might as well reject Physics.

2. You present no true analysis as to how you would achieve your utopian promises. There does not appear a single table of figures, nor a spreadsheet, nor a “business plan” anywhere in 391 pages of language.

I’m sorry — I’m not meaning to be harsh. Obviously a lot of work went into these documents. But at the end of the day (IMHO), there’s simply no there there.

Kindest regards.

Thank you for your response. I will review your Manifesto as my limited time allows. I do hope it goes into detail — I’m a very mathematically inclined individual, and I do hope I don’t have to build my own model based on language.

I do note, however, that you still haven’t shared your *name*. Is there a reason for this? Political parties are mostly based upon the *people* behind the agenda….

Kindest regards to all.

There is on our website@www.somassfreedem.org, a down loadable version of our pre-election Manifesto 2006. If you are capable of downloading it please read how we are going to ABOLISH TAXATION, and at the same time REPLACE IT with the necessary strategies for allowing the government/state to arrive at its own revenues – WITHOUT the state continuing to fascistically and demonically steal parts of the incomes of the relevant businesses, peoples and other entities in Barbados – and the necessary strategies for allowing the government/state to pay it own bills with regard to its own existence, programs and project, et al – WITHOUT the government/state itself – via TAXATION – continuing to be so wickedly and profoundly devaluing the commercial and productive inputs and outputs of the far greater and more effecient private sector.

To Chris Halsall alone,

We do NOT and have NEVER subscribed to Capitalism, Socialism, Economism, Eurocentrism on the whole. However, where there are – from our standpoint – any “positive” and “good” ideals and practices found within any of them, we do and have surely been supporting them, and esp if they are of any help to us and to the wider Barbados and humanity. And, where there are – in our opinions – found to be “negative” and “bad” ideals and practices found within any of them, we do and have been failing to supporting ( in some cases denouncing) them, and esp if they are hurting us and wider Barbados and humanity. Unfortunately, the largest proportions of “negative” and “bad” more than “positive” and “good” are found within those isms, and thus we do and have been mainly refusing to support them.

Chris, we are a people’s progressive nationalist developmentalist party and one that subscribes to any rubric, epithet, nuance, term, method, or practice that fully or partially expresses its true meaning or materialization within the context of such a designation or its consonant behaviourisms.

Finally, Chris, our principal job is to make sure that masses and middle clases of people in Barbados and the country as a whole are able to benefit from our or some others’ leading the way in the movement towards achievement of the POLITICAL SOCIAL objectives of the ABOLITION of Taxation, Interest Rates and other such named diabolical schemes!!

PDC

You are so right. However, dont forget what we are getting with all those taxes we pay. Free hospital and medical, Good highways, food inspectors, water inspectors, health and safety inspectors, etc. (remember the tainted tuna?). Then, there are the free houses and monthly $1500 per month cheque, for all those welfare mothers, most of them in the Toronto are, young and black. In addition, they get free dental and eye care, free bus passes and dont even work. Then, check and see how much goes to the Arts – of all kinds, performance and visual. Add to that the $930 a month that goes out each and every month to every disabled person, plus costs for support care, entertainment, etc. Add subsidies to public transportation, our prisons and the 3 squares plus two snacks they are entitled to, plus their education while behind bars up to and including university all out of our taxes. Remember Homolka? She graduated from prison with a BA and fluently bililngual on our coin!

With regards to businesses, dont forget all the subsidies that goes to small and large business alike, all from our taxes, governments work nowhere! I dont even want to start naming the programs (I worked in IC). However, our SMEs get a good tax break. I am sure the ‘effective’ rate of taxation is below 20%, after allowances and deductions.

Import duties on CIF is iniquitous! Duties should be levied only on materials/goods only.

But if you think that taxes in Barbados are “ridiculous,” try visiting Canada. At least in Barbados, the threshold of taxation, the amount one can earn before attracting tax on income, particularly with respect to pensions, is acceptably high. In Canada pensions are taxed at the rate of 17% beginning with a taxable income of ca. $8K. In Barbados that figure is $35K or thereabouts. In Canada citizens pay for goods with already-taxed dollars, and then pay VAT on top of that. Tax on top of tax. Rates of corporate tax in Barbados are also lower, 25% in the case of Barbados, significantly higher in Canada, without as many tax concessions. Mortgage-interest deductibility does not exist in Canada.

Barbados isn’t doing so bad, from a taxation perspective. But those import duties!!

I have two questions for you:

1. Would you be willing to share with us exactly who is the *author* of your postings on the Barbados Blogs? You know, like, a name?

2. Would you be able to explain exactly *how* you would achieve all the amazing things you promise? You know, like a detailed mathematical economic model (an n-dimensional spreadsheet would be fine).

It has been said that while in grade school, individuals are nieive and ignorant. In college or university we are socialists, because be think this can work. But once we enter the real world, we quickly become capitalists, because by that point we’ve realized it’s the only system which actually works.

If you, PDC, are actually able to define a socialist system which could work, while Cuba, Russia et al could not, I would be the first to tip my hat to you.

But… please! Show us a detailed analysis and methodology, rather than simply continue to spout utopian promises!

Best regards to all.