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National Union Of Public Workers Or Barbados Workers Union Can’t Be Trusted, Time For A Barbados Industrial Court

June 28, 2008 · 162 Comments

Art of NegotiationThank God the impasse between the Sanitation Service Authority (SSA) and the National Union of Public Workers (NUPW) is over. Barbadians were told yesterday evening that both sides arrived at an agreement which saw the withdrawal of charges made by the SSA, and the General Manager Stanton Alleyne being reinstated. Barbados Free Press posted their perspective on what turned out to be an embarrassment to the Dr. Don Marshall led SSA Board and by extension the Minister of Health David Estwick and the government of Barbados.

Last week Barbadians were reminded how easily a few individuals can threaten the health and prosperity of our small island. Mountains of garbage could be seen in key public spaces where Barbadians and tourists alike had to traverse. It seems inexcusable that the country has had to confront major industrial action twice in a six month period. This situation coincides with a government that has been installed for six months and has had to battle rising cost of living and a host of other issues.

What shall you say to get what you want? Sometimes you are like a fish out of water sometimes you are the clever crow - William Young

In light of the above, and given the prevailing economic conditions, and the declared commitment by the government of Barbados to root out corruption where it exist, Barbadians will see more and more skirmishes involving the two major unions. Last time we checked the BWU is twenty five thousand strong and the NUPW is eight thousand. Both unions represent a significant slice of the Barbados workforce. The 64 thousand dollar question is what can we do to protect the stable industrial relations climate which we boast of to all and sundry?

We have heard quiet calls in recent years for Barbados to roll out an Industrial Court. The model which our neighbour Trinidad and Tobago uses comes highly recommended. Sir Roy Trotman who leads Barbados biggest union has publicly resisted any attempt to install an industrial court in Barbados. From what we can recall his analysis of the situation is ‘if it isn’t broke, don’t fix it’. We have news for Sir Roy et al, IT IS BROKE! Our unions through the years have been led by men of superior breeding. However the current and future environment which unions will have to negotiate requires a shedding of redundant approaches.

The members of the union have evolved from field to knowledge workers. The private sector of Barbados has to mobilize in a highly competitive local, regional and global arena. A minor disruption in national productivity in the prevailing climate has the potential to negatively impact the economy, and very quickly. No longer should the success of Barbadian businesses have to depend on two Generals (Trotman & Clarke). There is simply too much at stake.

An Industrial Court in our opinion is better positioned to bring structure i.e. process and law to the business of managing industrial relations in Barbados. Our citizens now benefit from a higher standard of education. It should logically follow that we implement a system which can utilize modern methods contained in the art of negotiation and alternative dispute resolution. The opportunity for two or three people to destroy the economy of Barbados is not acceptable, no way no how. The Social Partnership has served its role as a public relations piece but a remodelling of the engine which drives the IR climate is required.

The BU household don’t have all the facts in the just concluded dispute between the NUPW and the SSA Board. The information we have suggest that ‘process’ was not followed, and secondly the sanitation workers rallied behind the union because of a ‘us and them’ mentality which the union bosses used to contrived the ridiculous situation of calling a strike to embarrass the country of Barbados. In life we have to make choices and the time has come for Barbados to unhinge itself from the fickle arrangement of two ‘generals’ having the power to destroy a country.

It is time for an Industrial Court to be set-up in Barbados.

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162 responses so far ↓

  • Tell me Why // June 28, 2008 at 6:51 PM

    BU, as I indicated on BFP, it was impossible for the SSA Board to achieved their goals. The evidence presented was unfortunately placed in a can with holes and by the time it would have reached the DPP, all the water would have drained out. I agree that the board and the Minister would be disenfranchised with the outcome, but being too hasty mixed with too much talking was the reason for the strike. Being a former manager, I cannot falter the NUPW and by extension, the employees for the strike since the loophole for corruption charges were questionable on the SSA’s part.

    Please don’t get me wrong, I am not and will never condone corruption in any form, but before you dismiss someone, you must be absolutely sure that the evidence is clear, since the burden of proof is with the accused.

  • Tell me Why // June 28, 2008 at 6:57 PM

    David, a court is a court with the same mentality. In a court setting, who is in control? It will just duplicating what a Magistrate Court or a High Court will do. You must also remember we do have tribunals, but what new will an Industrial Court bring to the table?

  • David // June 28, 2008 at 7:10 PM

    TMW you must know that the current system of managing industrial disputes is built on conventions which have served us well to a point. Today’s environment calls for a more structured approach to dealing with industrial disputes which will be more transparent.

  • Tell me Why // June 28, 2008 at 8:12 PM

    Today’s environment calls for a more structured approach to dealing with industrial disputes which will be more transparent.
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    Industrial disputes calls for immediate reaction as against a structured court system where delays are eminent. Suppose a worker is wrongfully dismissed. Are you telling me that the person will have to wait until the court system seems fit. That is just an increase in legal bureaucracy that we can do without. The labour system served us well for years, why confused the system.
    By the way, the last couple of years were filled with endless strikes and we ain’t hear anything about you calling for any Industrial Courts, or maybe you feel the unions might destabilise our country?

  • me // June 28, 2008 at 8:14 PM

    Yeah if a SSA worker at the lwoest level was fired in the same way it owuld definitely have been seen as ‘unfair’ why was it fair to fire Alleyne the way that they did!

  • David // June 28, 2008 at 8:39 PM

    TMW we have not called for an Industrial Court in the last two years because we have been in existence for only one year…lol. Also we believe in being proactive and the writing has been on the wall for some time now as far as our industrial relations climate is concerned. As the prevailing economic climate places pressure on the profitability of the private sector can anyone guess which expense item on the P&L will get uppermost attention? This is bound to upset our unions.

    So do we wait until the shit hits the fan? The Industrial Court is geared to mediate in situations where the collective bargaining unit fails. So TMW don’t make this a big deal because it is not rocket science.

    @me
    By the admission of the NUPW they have challenged the process rather than if Alleyne took a bribe. Whatever happens going forward Barbadians will be asking why did he accept those checks from Mr. Thomas?

  • Tell me Why // June 28, 2008 at 9:06 PM

    TMW we have not called for an Industrial Court in the last two years because we have been in existence for only one year…lol.
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    Don’t try to be smart David. You still have the power to comment on issues prior to one year ago.
    Also we must bear in mind that it will be useless and expensive just to set up such a court that will only have work once or twice a month since our Industrial climate is not that active. The best thing for An Industrial Court is to focus on the following: Industrial Safety problems, Occupational safety, Awarding of Contracts along with ITAL laws, etc. etc.. But, leave the trade union movement to represent the workers.

  • Ian Bourne // June 28, 2008 at 10:31 PM

    This act against Mr Alleyne is one of a long internal dispute. The Board was ultra viries, only Cabinet has the right to hire or fire. There were accusations of my Mgr being a Bee and this Board did not do a thorough investigation. He is officially neutral as he is in Public Sector but not a Civil Servant.

    BFP has long issued salvos against Mr Alleyne over Greenland, but you have to remember both he and myself answer to whatever Govt is in power. Holding him responsible for Greenland is like BFP claiming the change in power from Bee to Dem (oh wait, they did that already – sorry dearie: it was gonna happen anyways)!

    Look at Pg 4 of Friday’s dead-tree edition of the Nation (Say, do you realise BFP seldom ever look at print or dead-tree? Why not – are they really in Bim? ) and you will discover a well-researched Tim Slinger article on the man who made an accusation – Andrew Thomas has a long chequered and questionable history with payment on jobs done for pvt sector as well.

    I was one of the 400 and proud of it, if they succeeded in sacking Alleyne without a hearing and due process, then ANY worker from high or low could be sent home for as little a fact as the cut of their jib does not meet with the approval of whosoever wields the power.

    David – While I realise none of us are not ISO 9002 designated Journalists. Nevertheless, before just yelling for an Industrial Court, make sure you have most, if not necessarily ALL, of the facts on this matter!

    This is also at BFP too… Unless you prefer that idiot Tiny Marshall’s comment that both SSA & QEH personnel should never be allowed the recourse of Industrial Action? Just treat us like dirt and force us to work? VENCIEREMOS!

  • Tell me Why // June 28, 2008 at 10:54 PM

    Ian. I salute you for your courage. I told the BFP so; I told the BU so; and I keep telling certain bloggers so. It was a stupid decision to fire the gentleman without substantial evidence. My respect for Straight Talk for excepting my statement on this issue out of my over 500 postings.

    But Ian, be careful. The big stick might start wagging at you.

  • Carson C. Cadogan // June 28, 2008 at 10:59 PM

    Is this how the country is going to be run over the next five years?

    Whenever the NUPW or BWU or whatever stupid union there is has a problem they will call out workers in key sectors and virtually shut down the country?

    When I went to the polls recently, I voted for decisive Govt., not wishy washy, namsy pamsy Govt.

    I did not vote for Walter Maloney, or any of the others at the NUPW. Garbage piled up all Barbados, it stank to high heaven, threatened the health and well being of my family and what was the outcome? For almost making all of us sick the NUPW is now celebrating with Champagne, they got their way.

    The outcome of this disgusting situation will taint this Govt. from here on in. This is a huge slap in the face of SSA board, the Minister in charge and the Prime Minister.

    The sad thing about it is the fact that this is not the first time since this Govt. came to power that this sort of thing has occured. Remember Hill in the newspaper threatening to fire all of his rice workers if he did not get a meeting with a particular Minister? What happen, in quick order the Minister was on the phone to Hill appologising.

    My question now is, Will blackmail be used every time with this Govt.? How many more individuals and organisations are waiting in the wings to blackmail this Govt. so that they can get their way now that they see how easy that it is?

    My wife and I expected a firm response to the NUPW from the Govt. Not what we got! We expected to see something like when Ronald Regan was faced with blackmail from the Air traffic Controllers in America when he gave them a deadline to get back work or else. They failed to get back to work and he fired all of them. Remember? The SSA workers should have been given 48 hrs. to get back to work failing that their replacements should have been picked. I expected the Govt. to call out the Defense Force to drive the SSA trucks and help pick up the garbage, I expected the Govt. to call on Barbadians for volunteers to assist in keeping the Country clean until the matter was resolved without caving in.

    If the NUPW persisted with their nonsense then a State of Emergency should have been called and all the top Management of the NUPW should have been arrested and thrown in jail.

    That would have solved the matter in a better fashion. Not what we got!

  • ROBOT // June 28, 2008 at 11:16 PM

    crazy –the above post

    when the union flex its muscles in other areas
    what would have happen ???

  • The Devil // June 28, 2008 at 11:18 PM

    So let someone accuse Carson Cadogan of some wrong doing. Provide no evidence to him, follow no due process but still apply some sanction. Hell no! I did NOT vote for the overthrow of the rule of law, I voted for a Government who would follow the letter of the law.

    The board of the SSA should resign forthwith or be fired by the minister.

  • What About The Cheques? // June 28, 2008 at 11:19 PM

    Will Ian Bourne or Mr. Alleyne please expain why and under what circumstances that Mr. Alleyne took money from a supplier?

    What is the truth? So far Mr. Alleyne won’t say!

  • Bush tea // June 28, 2008 at 11:33 PM

    People like the Devil and TMW just don’t get the fact that low standards are what differentiates third world from advanced societies.
    LOW moral, human, and administrative standards.

    If I, Bush tea owned a business, and I found out that one of my managers of that business took money from a supplier in CHEQUES.

    ..and if after being called to explain the circumstances to me, that manager refuses, or is unable to explain the circumstances under which he took money form a contractor. There is no term that I could print here that could properly describe anyone who could tell me not to fire that manager…… FORTHWITH.

    The only persons who could defend such a suggestion of not firing that manager, are similar low standard thieves whose consciences tell them that they are just like him….

    That is the problem in Barbados. MOST of us are just like that – always open to a bribe, always willing to sell out our employer…and them claiming due process…

    …a people ALWAYS get exactly what they deserve.

  • The Devil // June 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM

    “The only persons who could defend such a suggestion of not firing that manager, are similar low standard thieves whose consciences tell them that they are just like him.” – Bush Tea

    Now Bush Tea I will not have you call the Minister of Health such things!

  • Ian Bourne // June 28, 2008 at 11:39 PM

    Due process means the cheque matter is now sub judicae so Carson should shut his trap when not in possession of all the facts.

  • Trained Economist // June 28, 2008 at 11:40 PM

    For me this is disappointing all round.

    The government looks weak when they could have held out on principle.

    The unions have lost their way. How can they defend such actions.

    I fear for Barbados.

    We can get bogged down in procedural details if we want. has the accused provided any indication that he did no accept those cheques?

  • The Devil // June 28, 2008 at 11:44 PM

    I did not reinstate Mr Alleyne. If I was on the SSA board and I supported the decision to fire the man and then the Minister over rides that decision (after 4 days!) then my resignation would be on the Minister’s desk forthwith.

    sorry Bush Tea you don’t get the fact that the board (or the Minister) messed up. Isn’t Alleyne back in the job?

  • The People's Democratic Congress // June 28, 2008 at 11:53 PM

    There is truly a serious crisis of goverance in Barbados, when it has to be observed that one Stanton Alleyne, having been RIGHTLY fired by the Board of the Sanitation Serviice Authority (SSA) four days ago from the post of acting General Manager at the SSA, could now be seen to be WRONGLY reinstated yesterday the Ministry of Health of the Government of Barbados.

    There is also a total undermining of the people of Barbados’ trust and confidence in the governance of the affairs of this country, when the said Stanton Alleyne is seen to be reinstated by the said Ministry of Health, back to the position of acting General Manager of the SSA, after it has been seen to be so clear that Alleyne received bribes from a company doing business with the SSA.

    IN GENERAL, WE CONDEMN IN THE STRONGEST TERMS THESE MOST REPUGNANT STATES OF AFFAIRS.

    TOO, IN PARTICULAR, WE DENOUNCE IN THE STRONGEST POSSIBLE TERMS THE NUPW FOR BEING SO INANE AND ASININE IN CALLING OUT SSA WORKERS ON AN ENTIRELY STUPID AND UNNECESSARY STRIKE – one that obviously was never a response to the government committing breaches of previous labour agreements between the government and the NUPW; one that was never a response calculated to force the other party to the collective bargaining table; and one that was never a result of any ongoing labour or industrial relations dispute, etc. Hence, what a travesty this situation is!!

    AND, IN PARTICULAR ALSO , WE DENOUNCE IN A SERIOUS WAY THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND THE GOVERNMENT FOR EASILY CAPITULATING TO THE FORCES OF DARKNESS AND REGRESSION – at a time when they should have upheld the particular decision of the Dr. Marshall led Board; at a time when there is clearly a need to root out graft and corruption in public office; and at a time when the DLP has pledged in its 2008 Manifesto, pg 48, to immediately introduce integrity legislation requiring, et al, a declaration of assets by public officials. What a disgrace!! What a farce!!

    Moreover, a lot has to be fundamentally wrong with the jurisprudence and the laws of justice of this country, when this chap Alleyne can be seen to have clearly used public office for private personal gain, in 1999, and probably thereafter, but rather than the NUPW, many SSA workers, and his lawyers having focussed on the fact that he has been corrupt, and therefore that he has to be punished in some way, they raised – through out this debacle – matters extraneous and irrelevant to the central issue of his having been previously found to be corrupt – like due process NOT being followed, like his NOT being able to get a pension and gratuity, like how they wish for an amicable solution to the issue, etc.. So, rather than seeking to elevate the concept and practice of good governance in this country, they resorted to meaningless legalism to help besmirch the good name of the SSA, and to help illustrate the very narrow, self-defeating, and ill-directed nature of their aim. What ignorance of the highest order!!

    Finally, we urge Dr. Marshall and the rest of the board TO RESIGN as a matter of principle, and therefore NOT be seen to be the fall people in this very odious affair. And we urge, once again, the Voters of Barbados to stop electing DLP and BLP Governments in this country, as that, by doing so voters and, by extension, citizens of Barbados are bound to ever so often realize ineffective and unsatisfactory goverance of the country by these two parties, very much because of the fact that the local political governmental affairs of this country are administrated by them primarily in the interests of themselves, their families, their friends, and their business interests, and NOT in the general interest of the public/nation.

    PDC

  • Tell me Why // June 28, 2008 at 11:56 PM

    f the NUPW persisted with their nonsense then a State of Emergency should have been called and all the top Management of the NUPW should have been arrested and thrown in jail.
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    Carson are you serious about the article you just wrote or you might be writing in your sleep. Wake up man. Forget the partisanship and deal with reality. Stop using your wife and family for empathy to get over a point. Have you checked to see if any of your family have jobs and are in one of the unions?
    Do you feel that 400 people would rush up at the SSA to clean up the country. These workers are extremely special and are doing a job that you would not do, or you might not want your children to be employed.
    Only country that might be able to arrest union leaders and get away is a Communist country. This state of affairs happened in the 1980’s when the Leader Of Poland Trade Union – Lech Walesa was arrested when Martial Law was called due to the union backing strike coal workers.
    I must also say that the said Walesa received a Nobel Peace Price after his release and eventually became President of the same Poland

  • David // June 28, 2008 at 11:58 PM

    To Ian Bourne et al our call for an Industrial Court to step in as the final arbiter in an industrial relations dispute has nothing to do with Alleyne per se. The process replaces the Prime Minister who usually rides in on his big white horse to settle most disputes anyway. We wish to reiterate that our current system of industrial relations mediation is built on sandy foundation and the current and future climate in Barbados cannot afford to operate on the current whimsical process. The current Sandy Lane/Royal Shop matter is a case in point.

    To TMW an Industrial Court can be activated on demand so have no fear.

  • anotherview // June 29, 2008 at 12:05 AM

    This case is funny because insiders know that the BLP tried to oust Mr. Alleyne as well. It is a pity when technicalities get in the way of true justice.

  • The Devil // June 29, 2008 at 12:08 AM

    “The current Sandy Lane/Royal Shop matter is a case in point.”

    What is the situation with this case? Are the workers back in their jobs or have they been paid out or have they been fired? So much for transparency.

    but then again we are still waiting for the Dominican fruit and vegetables to reach?

  • Bajan // June 29, 2008 at 12:08 AM

    Agree with David somewhat. The general secretaries of the two unions wheel tremendous power in our current system. In developed countries strike action is managed with care.

  • David // June 29, 2008 at 12:11 AM

    @The Devil

    Part of the problem is reflected in your last comment. We have to stop politicizing matters of this type. A court although not without its challenges can remove the Czars who now have too much power in the process.

  • Tell me Why // June 29, 2008 at 12:16 AM

    People like the Devil and TMW just don’t get the fact that low standards are what differentiates third world from advanced societies
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    Possibly the low standards could be the same board that screwed up. Remember Mr Alleyne don’t have a case to answer. It is the SSA board to prove that he is guilty…..and that is problem.

    Maybe it was a gift, maybe Alleyne could have lent him money and is being repaid……we can do as many gesticulation, but the facts remained that Mr. Alleyne was rehired because the board botch up a hastily prepared dismissal, that’s where the low standards lie. Blame Prof. Marshall, blames Minister Walters, but please, don’t blame Minister Estwick or the Prime Minister for the scenario. Remember, it’s your friends that bring you pain, not your enemies.

  • barry // June 29, 2008 at 12:18 AM

    Tell Me Why and Ian should not gloat. The matter was not tested in court so we cannot talk about right or wrong. The government could have backed off because of other reasons.

  • The Devil // June 29, 2008 at 12:25 AM

    But politics is at the heart of nearly everything. My tongue in cheek comment is to highlight the kind of vapid statements that often come from our leadership when addessing issues.

  • Tony Hall // June 29, 2008 at 12:30 AM

    As I said in another post Mr. Alleyne is not going to be around for too long because these cheques are hanging over his head and his relationship with the board will be an uncomfortable one. You think because the workers went on a work stoppage that they believe he is clean?

  • Wishing in Vain // June 29, 2008 at 12:42 AM

    The simple question did he or did he not receive money from this person?

    If the answer is a yes as it most certainly is then he should be placed behind bars.

    Mr Bourne you need not try to defend this criminal and that he is, he will not be in a position to corrupt the system for much longer.

  • David // June 29, 2008 at 1:18 AM

    If we had an Industrial Court this matter would have been referred and strike action would have been out of the frame until the ruling of the court.

    Does anyone know who is legal counsel for the SSA Board?

  • Adrian Hinds // June 29, 2008 at 2:18 AM

    “I don’t mind they giving back Mr Alleyne his job. I don’t have anything against him. He is a black man like me,” he added.

    =================================

    Ian Bourne: what does Andrew Thomas “questionable pass” according to you, have to do with this current case and claim that the is owed 74K by the SSA? Why would you demand that Carson shut his mouth for lack of “all facts” according to you while you are privy to link other actions by Mr. Thomas that may be negative and that does not have a direct bearing on the current and specific case he is fighting? You are of the opinion that the firing is wrong, because due process was not followed, and this maybe the case and if so I agree. Do you dispute that there are cheques made out to Stanton from Andrew Thomas?

    …..What Stanton stands accused off is very common in Barbados. Personaly they are very few things within the public service of Barbados that i did not have to pay somebody to get, or get done while i am still alive. The only thing new is that people are willing to come out and air their “dealings” with a very currupt set of people. I have my own stories and fortunately for the public service characters, i would have delt with, whether it was paying for a favourable outcome to a driving test, or for a timely processing of a passport, not to be process at a port of entry, not paying the requsite duty and taxes on imports etc, i no longer have the evidence of payments they recieved from me, but i am going to compel my email lists members to tell their stories.

  • Anonymous // June 29, 2008 at 3:41 AM

    Tell me why and the devil represent the nightmare of a corrupt,inept BLP administration that we so desperately want to put behind us.

    Stanton Alleyne is so symptomatic of the modus operandi that was entrenched in the BLP adminstration.

    Tief,tief,tief – and then use one of your own hal gollop – who understand your modus operandi to get easy access on vob to talk pompously and seek to scare the weak-knee board into submission.

    What was the minister of labour role in this I don’t recall any statement from him,but from the minister of health?

  • Bush tea // June 29, 2008 at 4:32 AM

    David,

    Of course you are right about an Industrial Court being the answer.
    To date, our industrial matters have been settled by power plays – nothing at all to do with Law or rightness.
    This is ok when we have socially conscious Union Leaders in place, but as union leaders who came into position as a ‘calling’ leave the scene and we get functionaries moving into position of leadership we are open to losing our way.

    Sandy Lane and Royal Shop are unresolved because the unions met up on stronger powers than they wield.
    That is also why they cannot touch Ms Ram.

    Any government issue however is ’sugar’ to the unions- against politicians who only decide by counting votes… or who concede and pay out taxpayers money.

    The Court is the answer. – and JAIL for anyone calling a strike as a first resort in industrial disputes.

    Devil and TMW are also correct about the ‘weakness’ of the Board.
    It is hard to do right in a land of wickedness. Maybe we don’t DESERVE a board that places honesty as a matter of importance. …no doubt TMW would select a Board that condones Alleyns’s behavior…

    A people ALWAYS get exactly what they deserve.

  • Anonymous // June 29, 2008 at 5:19 AM

    You know I have heard it in the past but now I am seeing it for my self how stink and slimy Hal Golllop is.

    In todays Nation the SSA contractor Andrew Thomas produced cheques and documents about his claim from the SSA and stanton alleyne – but most importantly andrew thomas stated – Hal Gollop was his lawyer handling this matter for the past couple of years.

    Now cuddear,you mean Hal gollop could not excuse himself on the grounds of conflict.

    He so love the public spotlight that he cannot resist jumpimg in – and most importantly he represents that part of the corrupt arthur administration.

    Never forget he was the chariman of the NHC and we know about what took place under the NHC – what with corrupt building contractors – at mount poyer in st lucy,fairy valley in christ church and other projects,Barrack constrruction multimillion dollar office building fiasco and others.

    These people make me feel like vomitting.

    How do you think andrew thomas must feel when he realises that all the information and his papers he would have given hal gollop – he hal gollop is now using against the same man thomas has been complaining about stanton alleyne?

  • David // June 29, 2008 at 6:56 AM

    @anonymous

    If what is being said about conflict of interest of Hal Gollop i.e.that he previously represented Thomas it continues to highlight the ineffectiveness of the Bar Association and the lack of self-censure. Little by little we have to dismantle these fiefdoms which exist.

    Will the media/call-in moderators join us?

  • anotherview // June 29, 2008 at 7:52 AM

    Question for Ian Bourne,

    If Stanton Alleyne is such a good manager and the employees are willing to bring the country to its knees because of him, why has he been acting manager for so many years.

  • Carson C. Cadogan // June 29, 2008 at 8:11 AM

    Ian Bourne

    You can afford to gloat!

    Even a blind man can see that the Inmates are now running the Asylum.

    I warned the DLP that if they did not move quickly and remove these BLP operatives from their positions that they would regret it with sack cloth and ashes now look what is happening!

  • The scout // June 29, 2008 at 8:44 AM

    Carson Cadogan
    If there’s anyone who should be ashame of the SSA saga, it is the board. I would hate to think that the gov’t succoumbed to the NUPW if they had a genuine case. The board had made a good case out for the unions and the opposition that there is a whitch hunte on. You simply don’t compromise a nation on hearsay or beliefs. The other thing Marshall, while a moderator on Brasstacks was trying to convince us that he was not a member of the DLP, yet he is now a BIG-UP in there. If he only became a Dem after elections, he should not be in that position, if he was a Dem before elections he should have been bold enough to say so. Either way to me he is a frod. The party can do without people like him. He and the entire board has embarrassed the gov’t and should offer their resignation or be fired. A board like that can’t cause such chaos in a country and embarrassment to an employee unless theey are right. What would the climate be between the two from here on if the board remain? One or the other MUST go and the decision to keep Mr Alleyne is already made, therefore the obvious is expected. I hope the others learn from this mistake.

  • The scout // June 29, 2008 at 8:51 AM

    Let it be noted I’m not dealing with this matter in a parisan light but as a concerned citizen. Which ever party was in gov’t, I see it as a blunder on the part of the board. Simply put, when the board allow a matter to reach this stage, it MUST be right on the matter. Alternatively, if they were right but bowed to pressure they should also be removed. The addage is ” the dog wags the tail, the tail don’t wag the dao”.

  • Carson C. Cadogan // June 29, 2008 at 9:12 AM

    BY THE WAY

    We are at the end of another month, June 30th.
    The Prime Minister gave the contractor working on the ABC highway until the end of Feb. 2008 to come up with a financial figure for the work on the highway otherwise the work would be given to local contractors.

    I have not heard anything more about it.
    Business as usual!

  • JC // June 29, 2008 at 9:58 AM

    No it cannot be business as usual for a Boy thanks to BU.

    THIS GOVERNMENT has to realise that we realised how corrupt our previous leaders were, and did something about it which was TO VOTE THEIR ASS OWWWT!

    Therefore, ITAL must be given, new immigration policies must be given, A union Court etc. ALL these thing s must be done reason being, we have a voice through BU.

    AND BECHRIST THEY WILL HEAR THIS VOICE!

    The voice of ‘THE PEOPLE’

  • Carson C. Cadogan // June 29, 2008 at 10:55 AM

    TELL ME WHY

    I have a job and my wife has a job.

    Let me tell you a little story about unions in Barbados. They are very selective with whom they choose to represent.

    My wife teaches at a Govt. Primary school, two weeks ago the Headboy, mind you the Headboy, told a female student that she should slap my wife in her. This was said in her presence.

    My wife refered the matter to the Ag. Principal of the school and told her that she no longer wants this child in her class after what he said. The Ag. Principal took her own stance on the matter. As the agreived party my wife was not happy with the result.

    She is a member of the Teachers Union she spoke with the shop steward for the Teachers Union and he told her that he won’t be getting involved with it because he and the boy’s mother are friends. As a result she got no help from the Teachers Union. but every month they take money out of her salary for Union dues.

  • The Devil // June 29, 2008 at 11:02 AM

    Integrity is a characteristic of a person. It is not an independent force like gravity. So either a person has integrity or he does not. The SSA board or the Minister of Health or both have not given me any evidence that they have integrity or the courage to stand by their convictions or the competence to engender a state of integrity at the SSA but it is early days yet.

    I have no brief for Mr Alleyne (wouldn’t know him if he said “good day” to me right now) but the alternative to proper due process is Mugabe and Zimbabwe. Oh how I remember dancing with glee on hearing that Mugabe had won the elections back Feb. 1980. I celebrated with my Zimbabwean friends at university and looked forward to the end of apartheid in South Africa. But I digress.

    Let us reason together. I don’t think that the SSA board made its decision without first consulting or informing the Minister. They did not come to their decision in a hurry. By their own admission, they (the board) considered the “evidence”, sought legal counsel and then approached Mr Alleyne giving him the options of resignation or dismissal. Mr Alleyne rejected both options and did not explain his actions. The board fired him. After 4 days of industrial action, Mr Alleyne is reinstated. What are we to make of the SSA board or the Minister of Health who continue in office? What do we, the citizens, want of our public servants?

    It is not The Devil who stands in support of corruption and low standards, it is the SSA board and their supporters who backed down in the face of opposition to what they claim to be right. This emboldens those that would do wrong.

    I am prepared to suffer the temporary loss of service with regards to garbage collection. My garbage is bagged and on my property awaiting pick up. It is not on the street to be strewn about by stray dogs or placed to be a nuisance to my neighbours. Unfortunately others are not so considerate. Their garbage has been out on the street since Monday (23rd) and even though it was known that the SSA was on strike, the garbage continued to pile up. It was my intention to carry my garbage to the landfill myself, should the strike go on. I also noted that certain businesses hired private collection services to pick up their waste. The Government also hired a private contractor to operate the landfill! The point of this is that should the board have stuck to its decision (assuming that they were in the right), we who claim to represent high standards etc could fill the breech while the matter was being resolved. I am prepared to go the distance, others are only prepared to give “a lotta long talk”. Those who fail to stand for something, will fall for anything.

    The SSA board and the Minister of Health should offer their resignations. It is the honourable thing to do.

  • me // June 29, 2008 at 11:46 AM

    Carson… I just read your story. Thats one of the major problems in a small country like ours. We are often more connected than not. However that shp steward clearly is failing his duty to your wife. I would think that if he was incapable to act on your wives behalf that he would have referred the matter to someone else. I think that your wife should write letters to those in charge, both in the Ministry of Education and the Teachers Union!

    One question did she disciple the head boy, did she demand an apology as well? Are you saying that he got off with no reprimand?

  • Carson C. Cadogan // June 29, 2008 at 12:08 PM

    ME

    For such gross disrespect and considering that he was Headboy who should know better, my wife wanted him removed from her class.

    The Ag. Principal instead suspended him from school but insisted that he returned to my wife’s class on his return from his suspension which is not what she wanted.

    Anyway we have decided on a course of action and we are pursuing it.

  • Anonymous // June 29, 2008 at 12:33 PM

    David

    I support on your call for the media to dig deeper into that issue of conflict with hal gollop and the SSA contractor Andrew Thomas.

    Let’s see if it is raised in the media tomorrow.

  • Negroman // June 29, 2008 at 1:29 PM

    I am disappointed with the actions of both National Union of Public Workers and the Board of Sanitation Authority.
    Firstly,the board made a decision to fire the man Stanton Alleyne for inappropriate behavior and then wilted under pressure from the union.I think that was a mistake by the board.It should have stuck with its decision.
    Secondly,the union decided to support a man whom from all accounts are accuse of wrong doing and the workers decided to support him.I do not think the union acted in good faith and I believe politics played a critical role in the actions of the union.
    This government showed weakness by giving into the demands of the union and the SSA workers.The government should have given the workers an ultimatum return to work by a specified period of time or face the possibility of being fired from the job.If the ultimatum was not observed then the army should have come into play and clean up the country,bury the dead and such like.Replacements workers should have being found for those workers that would have being dismissed.The situation that happened at Sandy Lane should have occurred,that is an ultimatum was given to those workers and the workers ignored it and they sufferd the consequences.I am not supporting the actions of the Sandy Lane management but only outlining a reference.The same thing could have applied in this case.
    We need strong,decisive leadership and we are not getting it from this present administration.
    I think a golden oppurtunity was missed.

  • Ian Walcott // June 29, 2008 at 1:37 PM

    Poor Decision Making, Political Miscalculation and the Westminster System

    Let me start off by saying that the new Board of the SSA should resign forthwith for the major blunder they committed last week. They took a hardnosed approach to negotiating that cost the country dearly in terms of our image, our health and ultimately our economy. In a true Westminster system heads would roll and the Board would do the honorable thing and resign…
    All they really need to do is to produce a well written statement for the public and bow out gracefully…

    But this is part of the arrogance of the new set of cronies that is now in place…all we’ve done is to change the face of the actors but the script of cronyism is the same…there are new henchmen who are on a quest to stamp out corruption but who themselves are prone to such hubris that they are falling over their oversized egos and in so doing embarrassing the new government…

    Unfortunately, I witnessed how the new NCF Board unceremoniously fired my former colleagues Ian Estwick and Carol Roberts in what was to be the signaling of a new witch-hunt…and for the past five months, these henchmen have been carrying out their dirty work believing that people will take it sitting down…but the SSA standoff has manifested that Bajans are not taking anymore of if…enough…time to break the silence…

    For example, the new chairman of the NCF has created such a state of fear and panic where officers are now afraid to speak their minds for fear of suffering the same fate as Estwick and Roberts…the arrogance is overbearing…the attitude is like “it’s-we-time-now”…this new chairman has gone so far as to have a designated car parking space for himself and the new lackey crony who is “acting as CEO” as opposed to acting CEO…
    For 25 years there was never such a designated space…but alas the new henchmen are showing who’s now in control…but in true Bajan style…there’s mumbling and grumbling in the corridors about the designated car space for an arrogant man who is not even on staff…

    The silly men obviously think that ruling by fear and arrogance is the best way to go but what they’ve done is effectively kill off all the goodwill the DLP had on the morning of January 16th, 2008 and created an atmosphere of uncertainty in the country. The silly men should realize that when Bajans are silent…it’s not consent…it means… “we’re watching your movements and we will deal with you in due course…” and the SSA standoff is a demonstration of the power of the Barbadian worker…POWER TO YOU MY PEOPLE!

    Now there are six basic steps to decision-making that the SSA board blundered and ultimately led to their miscalculation:
    1. Identifying and prioritizing your needs. (Was getting rid of the top guy a priority at this stage?)
    2. Collecting the facts. (Did the Board collect all the relevant facts? Did they seek the relevant advice from the Union, the SSA’s lawyer or the labor dept?)
    3. Reviewing your options. (What are the advantages and disadvantages of this particular course of action? What are all the possible outcomes of such a decision? How much risk is involved in this decision?)
    4. After such careful considerations and calculation…then you make the decision.
    5. You communicate the decision…
    6. Then you follow-up on your action…

    It appears that these very BASIC steps to the decision-making process were not followed; else we would not have had that four day fiasco…
    PLEASE DO THE HONORABLE THING AND RESIGN BECAUSE IT’S OBVIOUS THAT YOU’VE JUST LOST THE TRUST OF THE ORGANIZATION YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO MANAGE…
    Going forward it’s going to be extremely difficult for the management team to trust the board…so if the Minister is smart…he’d replace the Board ASAP…or else fear more industrial action down the road…do you want that Mr. Estwick?

    A word to the wise is enough!

  • David // June 29, 2008 at 1:52 PM

    We asked earlier who is the legal counsel for the SSA Board?

    Ian your analysis appear to be sound but how plausible is it if we consider that the SSA Board is led by Doctor Don Marshall. We fail to believe that the good Doctor would not have applied the basic technique of good decision making.

  • Anonymous // June 29, 2008 at 1:57 PM

    Good lord, Dr Marshall is an academic. He couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery!

  • Ian Walcott // June 29, 2008 at 2:02 PM

    Dr. Marshall is also my colleague at UWI and my supervisor…and for his sake and his own reputation…he should get out of this nonsense right now and save face…
    Don can make his contribution to Barbados in other ways…I’m sure he didnt make the decision on his own…

    Thanks Ian we appreciate it would have taken some guts to have offered the opinion you have.

    David

  • David // June 29, 2008 at 2:03 PM

    We have been trying to establish if the good Doctor has done anything other than to study. We all know that practical experience does count in the real world environment.

  • Adrian Hinds // June 29, 2008 at 2:13 PM

    Devil i am with you. Bajans are unwilling to stand up for anything, and as a result they are falling for all and every trick. Ian Bourne is fooling no one when he hides behind pretty Latin words to attempt defense of the indefensible. Stanton and Owen have been similarly caught up in actions that at the very least begs for an investigation per the Prevention of corruption act of Barbados, but i understand the magnitude of fallout should such a precedent setting investigation be undertaken against either men. The problem is that all in Barbados have signed on to Gorgie Porgie perverted interpretation of Judge ye not less ye be also judged, believing that to cast the proverbial stone one must first be free from sin. In the court of public opinion Stanton, Owen, and Hal are seen as much much less than honourable men. In the very least that’s how i view them.

  • The scout // June 29, 2008 at 2:52 PM

    Adrian Hinds
    It is alright for you or anyone else to get on the blog and label people, so you think. For me the proof is in the verdict. Bring whatever case there is against Stanton, Owen or anyone else including me. When the case is tried and honest people find the accused guilty, then administer the punishment. In the Westminister type of justice, one is innocent until proven guilty, yet we want to crucify and tarnish persons reprutation because you don’t like the person. That shows immaturity. Bring the man to answer the charges, If found guilty punish him even if I have to assist in the collection of garbage. The way it was handled was botchy and I agree with Ian Walcott, if integrety means anything to Dr Marshall he sholud resign but I also think the entire board should put their resignations to the discretion of the P.M. That would be the honorable thing to do.

  • Adrian Hinds // June 29, 2008 at 3:01 PM

    Ian Walcott // June 29, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Poor Decision Making, Political Miscalculation and the Westminster System

    Now there are six basic steps to decision-making that the SSA board blundered and ultimately led to their miscalculation:
    1. Identifying and prioritizing your needs. (Was getting rid of the top guy a priority at this stage?)
    2. Collecting the facts. (Did the Board collect all the relevant facts? Did they seek the relevant advice from the Union, the SSA’s lawyer or the labor dept?)
    3. Reviewing your options. (What are the advantages and disadvantages of this particular course of action? What are all the possible outcomes of such a decision? How much risk is involved in this decision?)
    4. After such careful considerations and calculation…then you make the decision.
    5. You communicate the decision…
    6. Then you follow-up on your action…

    It appears that these very BASIC steps to the decision-making process were not followed; else we would not have had that four day fiasco…

    =================================

    At the core of this issue is the suspicion that the Laws of Barbados may have been broken by the Stanton Alleyne.

    1: It the top guy was implicated in breaking the law , immediately is the only good time to be rid of him.

    2: your second question is immaterial since it was clearly stated that the board did in fact seek legal council, and gave Stanton and oppertunity to explain the checque to which he (Stanton) declined.

    The rest of your questions must be over ruled by the Laws of the land. That is if we would like to defend Barbados as a nation of laws.

    If you are truly cognizant that you are discussing a situation that if true, subjects the accuse to penalties of fines, imprisonment or both should they be found guilty, then youn must be aware that it is not up to the Board or any other person other than the DPP to so decide. In a society base on Laws, the Law decides the process and course of action to be taken.

    Are we a nation of laws at all times for all citizens?

  • The scout // June 29, 2008 at 3:07 PM

    We have heard words like “change”, “integrety” and words that encouraged me to do what was asked of me. Like Plastic Bag now says ” Mr Thompson all eyes are on you.” We are not asking much just deliver. We have employed you to do a job; clean up this mess, fired some people(the entire board) or this would go on your file. Remember you too can be fired

  • Justice // June 29, 2008 at 3:30 PM

    We keep hearing about due process in this case…wasn’t Mr Alleyne called upon to explain the cheques and refused to do so?

  • Ian Walcott // June 29, 2008 at 3:40 PM

    Hahahahahahahahaha…Strangely enough…Owen Arthur made a similar miscalculation when he brought over Clyde Mascoll…he didnt calculate all the possible outcomes…
    Book smart and political smart aint de same kinda smart it seems…

  • Ian Walcott // June 29, 2008 at 3:43 PM

    If we are a nation of laws…and that we are…then let it be decided by the law…
    THE BOARD SCREWED UP ROYALLY my friend…
    RESIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ian Walcott // June 29, 2008 at 3:46 PM

    It’s obvious that they did not calculate the kind of support the man has from his staff…neither did they calculate possible industrial action…
    Wow…this seems elementary to me…it’s called calculating the risk before making a decision…
    NOW THEY ALL LOOK STUPID and they’ve embarrased the government…
    Not sure ef dem got shame anyhow….SHUPESSSSSS

  • QUEEN // June 29, 2008 at 5:20 PM

    From what I understand, Mr. Alleyne was fired under the Public Service Act – an Act that does not apply to the SSA. Therefore he was fired wrongfully, not that he was innocent. If he is guilty of pilfering away those cheques, then the SSA Board has to look for and fire him under the Act that governs a Statutory organisation. It’s like an employee of Sandy Lane Hotel being fired for some issue and management of Sandy Lane claiming they were fired through ’such and such’ section of the Public Service Act.

  • David // June 29, 2008 at 6:02 PM

    Queen we have heard your position put forward by the union so the big question we have is what legal counsel for SSA Board advised? For such an obvious mess-up who shall we hold accountable because this technicality does not let of Stanton Alleyn in the Court of Public opinion.

  • Type because you have fingers? // June 29, 2008 at 6:03 PM

    Do most of you type because you have fingers? Do you base most of your opinions in life on assumptions?

    I will preface this by saying I work for the SSA. I am not management or got any sitdown job like Mr.Bourne.

    You are lumping in Mr.Alleyne with the likes of Owen and other known thiefs of the BLP and private sector, when ironically Alleyne has had years of stress inflicted on him from same said BLP because he remains to be neutral on the political scene. He has been acting for 6 years, if he was a member of the BLP boys club do you think he would still be acting? Did you know that during that time a new GM was appointed and stepped down due to not being able to handle the pressure?

    This situation is not the boards fault or Mr.Alleynes fault even though I think the firing was utter nonsense , I commend the board for wanting to rout out corruption. However if you are gardening and looking for weeds make sure its a weed first before you rush to pull it out of the ground. The Board was too over zealous in trusting evidence from a questionable person with clear motives to create this situation. They did not realise however that Mr.Alleyne is an excellent leader and has taken care of us for many years so it was only right that we stand in solidarity.

    The people to blame are the real thiefs of the past administration and private sector that have created a environment where we now EXPECT people to be up to no good. Where the slightest hint of unexplainable data is automatically wrongdoing. We as a people have been wronged into adopting this cynical and pessimistic view of our leaders and figures. I only hope that the people who are trying to clean up these messes dont wrong the people more by being over zealous and accumulating the collateral damage of good men like Mr.Alleyne.

    I agree the union leaders have too much uncontrolled power and we should have someone to regulate the Unions but in this case , I can guarantee you that even WITHOUT a union. We ,SSA workers would not have touched
    a single bag of garbage until Mr.Alleyne was reinstating. We DO NOT care about the process, we care about the fact that he is innocent and most of us that have been around since those times know the issue with that contractor.

    I dont think the Board should resign, I dont think Mr.Alleyne should be forced into retiring. I think the Minister, The Board,Mr.Alleyne and the Crook should get together and issue a statement to the Barbadian public. Take the high road and say corruption will not be tolerated, we made an error in judgement and we will continue to be vigilant in all areas of the government. The fact that they fired him because they believe he was corrupt (even though they were wrong) shows me are the right men for the job.

    The people need the full story and a resolution, a little knowledge is a terrible thing, speculation is a terrible thing.

    Thank you for your time.
    You can continue your partisan back and forth.

  • Justice // June 29, 2008 at 6:29 PM

    I agree with you, David. Who was the legal advisor to the SSA board?

  • Ian Walcott // June 29, 2008 at 7:07 PM

    “I dont think the Board should resign, I dont think Mr.Alleyne should be forced into retiring. I think the Minister, The Board, Mr.Alleyne and the Crook should get together and issue a statement to the Barbadian public. Take the high road and say corruption will not be tolerated, we made an error in judgement and we will continue to be vigilant in all areas of the government. The fact that they fired him because they believe he was corrupt (even though they were wrong) shows me [they] are the right men for the job.”

    If you believe that after this poor judgment on the part of the Board that the situation can be salvaged…then maybe you are correct that everyone should come together like one big happy family and make a feel-good statement to the public and let’s put the issue to rest…
    But knowing human psychology…I still believe that your Management team will find it very hard to trust your current Board moving forward…
    Additionally, because of this fiasco…those with useful information will now be more reluctant to come forward…
    So…if as an insider you strongly believe that there’s room for forgiveness…then I support FORGIVENESS 100%…
    It ’s heartening to see the staff of the SSA take such a strong stand for something they believe in…and, like I said, if there’s a consensus among you guys to keep the Board…THEN LET YOUR VOICES BE HEARD…
    RESPECT….

  • Ian Bourne // June 29, 2008 at 7:42 PM

    Again, the Board cannot hire nor fire, they can RECOMMEND – it is a CABINET decision, the Board was out of bounds… Hinds you don’t work at SSA – I do, and I know who is Dem and who is Bee and who is neither! So please keep your misinformation to yourself, ok? Read “Type because you have fingers”, they have an insider’s view

  • QUEEN // June 29, 2008 at 8:37 PM

    I don’t think the Board should resign. Zeal without knowledge is a terrible thing and I think the SSA Board is guilty of this. If it is known as suggested by ‘type because you have fingers’ who the thief is, then why not send the police after them as was done at the NIS? The Public Service Act does not apply so some other Act must – ask the NIS how they were successfully able to bring charges against those 2 employees. However, as I see always happen in Barbados, these issues are throw out to the public, threats are made – and at the end of the day, the Barbados public would still remain rob of thousands of dollars. I really believe that forensic and investigative ‘investigations’ should go into this frustrating element of ‘public departments’. It is really tiresome. Someone must be charge for what has gone on at the SSA and not just anyone but the person who most people suspect and even suggest. For pete’s sake, I wish we would start arresting and charging those in authority who’s into wrong doing, rather than the little person who’s trying to take care of his family.

  • Asiba-The Buffalo Soldier-still 2 much FAT on the road // June 29, 2008 at 9:04 PM

    Hey Queen
    —————>
    what is it that has gone on at SSA
    I am not sure about what you are talking about
    who did what
    when
    where
    how

    I am puzzled by this whole affair-cant seem to understand these matters—–above my head -i must say !

    Iknow though that many people talk about things for which they have no facts——I can see some of that coming through in the comments posted here.

    I was part of a situation couple years ago.
    All sorts of person called in on the call-in show , expressing all sorts of opinions on the matter and as a person involved , I was appalled at the level of mis-information that emanated from the call-in shows. A certain senator at the time called and talked so much rubbish on the matter-it was unbelievable. The real sorry part was that he pretended to know what he was talking about.

    So I am very wary in situations such as the one at SSA because the wider public never gets the full information. People close to the situation would know the truth and they would tell a few friends and relatives but generally speaking -the full story is usually covered down and we know what happens when people report things: some distort the truth by reporting their interpretation of a matter and not the facts of the matter; some forget certain little words such as ‘not’. By the time the story reaches us it is so distorted -its a totally different thing –

  • QUEEN // June 29, 2008 at 10:00 PM

    Something has gone on at the SSA or we would not have been discussing it to this length. Yes, I agree that by the time the public hears it, it is distorted but something happended to cause this domino effect to cascade into a full blown firing/re-hiring of Mr. Alleyne. I posit that nothing ever comes of these issues in Barbados – absolutely nothing. Look at the Hardwood Housing issue and who they are suggesting might be prosecuted. There is has a spirit of hypocrisy hanging over this island.

  • Sargeant // June 29, 2008 at 10:29 PM

    My My Ian Bourne sounds so very defensive. In your defense of Mr. Alleyne you stated the following “the Board cannot hire nor fire, they can RECOMMEND – it is a CABINET decision” . Well if the CABINET had fired Mr. Alleyne would that have made everything alright or would the SSA workers still strike? With friends like you Mr. Alleyne doesn’t need enemies if your only defense of him is that the wrong people fired him.

    And since you claim to know the political affiliation of all the folks at SSA what do you do with that information? Do you filter any discussion with them through a political lens?
    If the employees at SSA are as professional as you imply they are it shouldn’t matter which party they are aligned to, as long as they do their jobs.

  • Fairplay // June 29, 2008 at 10:37 PM

    Did the file still go to the DPP? What if he decides that charges can be filed? Why is Mr. Bourne so vocal against his Board which recommended him to be employed as a public relations officer? This normally happens when the DLP is the government.

  • Tell me Why // June 30, 2008 at 12:58 AM

    I warned the DLP that if they did not move quickly and remove these BLP operatives from their positions that they would regret it with sack cloth and ashes now look what is happening!
    ………………………………………………………………….
    It look as though your advice was taken and we are now seeing the repercussions.

  • Tell me Why // June 30, 2008 at 1:15 AM

    Hi Carson. I am now reading today’s articles and I came across the dilemma with your wife. I sympathise with your wife and the behaviour of the union. We all have bad apples within our systems, even in our homes and schools, and not withstanding the church. But we are going to have a bigger problem with the statement now being made by the Minister of Education regarding the removal of spanking from the school system. I am extremely concerned about the random statements by various ministers. Are these statements blessed by the DLP hierachy or ministers talking without consultation?

    Again Carson, I offer my concern and hope that your wife will do the good job she is doing and keep away from these violent children.

  • Tell me Why // June 30, 2008 at 1:27 AM

    1: It the top guy was implicated in breaking the law , immediately is the only good time to be rid of him.
    ………………………………………………………………….
    Hi Adrian. If the ‘burdom of proof’ have not been established, how on earth can he be legally implicated? With that in mind your other pointers becomes null and void and Mr. Alleyne will still be innocent until prove guilty.

  • Tell me Why // June 30, 2008 at 1:37 AM

    I, like others feel strongly that the board should be fired. We know that Dr. Marshal is the chairman, but do tell me, who are the names of the other members. Maybe, we will see if it is really Mr. Marshall who fouled up or he was pushed.

  • Adrian Hinds // June 30, 2008 at 8:33 AM

    // June 29, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Again, the Board cannot hire nor fire, they can RECOMMEND – it is a CABINET decision, the Board was out of bounds… Hinds you don’t work at SSA – I do, and I know who is Dem and who is Bee and who is neither! So please keep your misinformation to yourself, ok? Read “Type because you have fingers”, they have an insider’s view
    =================================
    What misinformation are you refering too? The current board is filled with DLP operatives and Stanton is a rank BLP hack who like Ian Walcott and a whole host of Bajan limies, and Yankees, got or had government jobs base on who they know and not of merit. This SSA empass is essentially a political fight.

    ….But let me ask you do you think that Stanton Alleyne should get away without explaining those cheques?

  • Adrian Hinds // June 30, 2008 at 8:45 AM

    Tell me Why // June 30, 2008 at 1:27 am

    1: It the top guy was implicated in breaking the law , immediately is the only good time to be rid of him.
    ………………………………………………………………….
    Hi Adrian. If the ‘burdom of proof’ have not been established, how on earth can he be legally implicated? With that in mind your other pointers becomes null and void and Mr. Alleyne will still be innocent until prove guilty.
    =================================

    Everyday people are sentence for breaking the law even though they refuse to take the stand in their own defense.

    Stanton Alleyne was presented with the proof (cheques made out to him from a contrator) that the Board had. He was asked to explain (give evidence in his defense) and he did not. To many of us potential jurist, Judge and jury in the court of public opinion, he is at the very least behaving as if he has something to hide. To me he is guilty. Stanton can continue to hide behind the static legal process to keep his job and not be subjected to the prevention of corruption act of Barbados, but he will not be allowed to carry on as if he did absolutely nothing wrong. He took a bribe like so many others in the Public service.

  • Adrian Hinds // June 30, 2008 at 8:49 AM

    Tell me Why // June 30, 2008 at 1:37 am

    I, like others feel strongly that the board should be fired. We know that Dr. Marshal is the chairman, but do tell me, who are the names of the other members. Maybe, we will see if it is really Mr. Marshall who fouled up or he was pushed.
    ================================

    Let me see. Now Stanton Alleyne took bribes in contravention of the laws of Barbados, but he should keep his job.

    What law did the Board break? Uh mean there seems to be a BLP law that says; no BLP hack should loose their government pick for any reason, but this is not a national law, and certainly not one that DLP hacks who’s party is in power should adhere too!

  • Adrian Hinds // June 30, 2008 at 8:56 AM

    Fairplay // June 29, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    Did the file still go to the DPP? What if he decides that charges can be filed? Why is Mr. Bourne so vocal against his Board which recommended him to be employed as a public relations officer? This normally happens when the DLP is the government.
    =================================
    It is most likely that the DPP would have ruled against prosecution of Stanton Alleyne, for two reasons.

    The office of the DPP is hardly an impartial one. This case against Stanton is very similar to the accusation Thompson laid against Owen Arthur. Can you imagine the implications should it be allowed to proceed? At some point we have to accept that the concept of Barbados being a nation of laws is not very true.

  • Adrian Hinds // June 30, 2008 at 9:16 AM

    Is this author in Barbados? maybe in body and not is spirit. His mind has got to be in another space. Maybe an introduction to the opinions of Ian Walcott, Ian Bourne, and Tell me why, can bring him back to reality of life in Bimshire. :D

    Triumph of lawlessness
    Nevertheless, impenetrable tints are virtually a norm around here. What are we to understand by The Rule of Law?

    There is no room in our Barbados for persons either acting, or being treated, as if they are above the law.

    http://www.nationnews.com/editorial/292018488629175.php

  • me // June 30, 2008 at 9:17 AM

    although I agree with Bush teas premise I am also a realist. That was why when i saw the populace responding to ‘Time for a Change’ in the last election I queried what grass they were smoking. The fact is that in a small society like ours it is extremely difficult if not imposible for a govrenment to function without some level nepotism. And it is alo extermely difficult if not impossiblefor the populace to NOT want to benefit beacuse of who they know or are related to. In addition if a significant number of bajans both B and D are ACCUSTOMED To getting things by favour why would a change of government from B to D make a difference.

    I think we would need a REVOLUTION in firstly the way that we THINK…

  • Adrian Hinds // June 30, 2008 at 9:31 AM

    Me, i don’t think that most bajans decided to vote out the BLP, base on the call from the DLP for change. Everybody could be heard saying the BLP was in power for too long. I also don’t think Bajans expect anything earth shattering from this DLP government. Most people can be heard saying things like “all politicians are alike” or Bees and dees are the same set of people wearing a different colour shirt etc.. A revolution of our thought process may not be necessary. I believe that most Bajans know not to expect much difference between Bees and Dees, what is needed is for us to energize our thinking by asking questions as to why things are the way they are. We can become excited by the possibilities of such a simple exercise. Revolutionary? hardly. :D

  • Adrian Hinds // June 30, 2008 at 9:54 AM

    “I don’t mind they giving back Mr Alleyne his job. I don’t have anything against him. He is a black man like me,” he added.

    Andrew Thomas

    He then went on to produce copies of two cheques written to and drawn down by Stanton Alleyne.

    Isn’t it obvious that Andrew Thomas thinks that to bribe public servants is the way to win contracts? He probably views these bribes as any other normal business expense. How many of us cannot recall stories of persons having to pay a public servant under the table, to get a favourable outcome to a driving test, or to process a passport or unemployment check much faster than the usual time, or to clear something from the port of post office?

    According to Mr.Thomas this is what a black man has to do. Are they not laws against bribing a public servant? If so action needs to be taken against him too. Uh mean that is if we are indeed a nation of laws.

    I am on record as saying that some Bajan business men have as they only strategy “winning a government contract” does this prove my contention? :D

  • Type because you have fingers? // June 30, 2008 at 10:53 AM

    Hi , Its me again. If you dont know my views or my position in this fiasco then please scroll up and read my first post.

    To Mr.Ian Walcott

    If you do really know the chairman, encourage him to read my message and talk to heart the message as a consensus from most of the workers I have spoken to on every level. We commend the board for wanting to root out corruption but they need to do due diligence before jumping the gun. You are right and they will lose faith from the employees if they dont fully rectify this situation by apologizing,explaining and clearing the issue and Mr. Alleyne in the public eye. Being against corruption and being upfront enough to admit mistakes are good qualities in a board and we would stand by them also.

    To Adrian Hinds

    You are the same as the board. In your eagerness to destroy what you call BLP hackism you are grouping in Mr.Alleyne. To quote a truck driver that I recently express this view that some people think Mr.Alleyne is a BLP hire “you must be one ignant son of a bitch”. You are telling me that a man that worked in almost every facet of the SSA (Pulverisation Plant, Landfill,Etc) for 30 years was hired in his position because of affliation with the BLP? You are telling me that man that working in the stench of the landfill for years, made suggestions and improvements to the SSA on behalf of the workers when he WASNT a manager was hired because of politics and not because he paid his dues? You telling me the man that used to come back from meetings with the minister cussing in the yard is a BLP?If you are telling me the man that was recommended by the former GM but was still acting in the position for 6 goddamn years even after paying said dues is BLP. Why wouldnt they have rushed to put him in? You telling me that the person they(BLP) tried to replace 3 times and actually did replace at one point but had to reinstate him when their hack wouldnt handle the job and didnt know what the hell he was doing? All these things point to the fact that he WASNT BLP, infact he could have made his life easier and not be in this postion now if he had made the move to become BLP. You the overzealous captain of the lynch mob should well know if he was a BLP they would have found a way in those 10 years to brush this under the Owen rug in a way it would never be able to come up again. Honestly, Mr.Hinds no disrespect but it hurts me as a hardworking barbadian for people like you to sit on high and assume people got positions because of who they know when a clear record of grease and hardwork is more than transparent.

    This goes back to what I said earlier, we expect corruption because of how the former adminstration has pulled the wool over our eyes for so long. We are all hurt, damaged and cynical because of it. Me too, but like a woman who was in a bad marriage we cant approach all men like they are bad too. We have to be vigilant but not bias and predisposed.

    To Mr.Bourne

    You need to make a decision. No disrespect sir but you have been at the SSA for two mornings. Alot of us have been here for years and know Mr.Alleyne and know of this Mr.Thomas from when he used to be around complaining and trying to be a weasel. Your lack of real insight and real investment in this issue makes sit on a fence where you come in here and type weak ambigious stuff. I understand you are bound by your job and public appearance to not say certains things and I respect that. If you have your hands tied behind your back you cant expect to come in here and box with these guys.

    Thanks for your time.

    OH and here is a somewhat funny back and forth from some workers for those of you that dont come here with a chip on your shoulder or a policital axe to grind.

    “All the man had to do was say he want his money and prove that money is owing him for work done”

    “Ye alot of people think he mean that Ahlin (Alleyne) took the money from the SSA and aint give he”

    “Nah, he say he bribe bossman for the job, pay he $1000 for the job”

    “$1000 for a big f**king job like that?”

    “yes a job that aint even get do. I going to bribe the people at price waterhouse $50 to let me win the lotto!!”

    “Make sure you get pay them bribes in cheques ya! They wont caught ya AHAHAHA”

  • me // June 30, 2008 at 11:23 AM

    It is not sufficient to ask why…I think that someone, a charismatic leader with a truly diffrent way of doing things is what we really need. BUt we also need a populac that would truly refuse to accpet things as usaula and customary. That would be revolutionary!

  • Anonymous // June 30, 2008 at 11:34 AM

    Whilst at it Adrian. How come everyone over looked the fact that Mr. Thomas met with the then leader of the Opposition way back in 1999, the same time as the cheques. Maybe, and I am very careful with my words cause I ain’t want to be sued by either parties. We know for sure that Mr. Alleyne was not the GM at the time, we are hearing about cheques written, but no concrete evidence of WHY. We know that he met with the then Opposition leader, but we don’t know WHY. We know the cheques were cashed, again we don’t know the transaction.

    Possibly the transaction went sour, or maybe it was political ploy since it was electioneering time.

  • Tell me Why // June 30, 2008 at 11:35 AM

    That’s my post above

  • Type because you have fingers? // June 30, 2008 at 11:38 AM

    Why are my posts being censored?

  • Adrian Hinds // June 30, 2008 at 11:53 AM

    me // June 30, 2008 at 11:23 am

    It is not sufficient to ask why…I think that someone, a charismatic leader with a truly diffrent way of doing things is what we really need. BUt we also need a populac that would truly refuse to accpet things as usaula and customary. That would be revolutionary!
    =================================

    How can “WE” have a “Leader” in this present system?

    WE as in the people do not directly vote for or elect the Leader of the country? That is a problem for any so call Leader, charismatic or not, ask Sandiford.

    The Leader in Barbados is the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister is first chosen by the politcal party, and ratified by members of parliament per the constitution, who repose their confidence in the poltical appointed party Leader who made it to parliament as a constituency representative.

    The Office of Prime Minister is held in check by parliament. Sandiford thought otherwise and lost. If the Prime Minister loses the confidence of his majority in parliament he will cease to be the Leader of the Country. The only way to solve this, is to have a popularly elected Leader who is answerable only to the people. This is why the wishes of the people are not actioned. The special interest in Barbados are the individual members of parliament without whom the PM cannot be the Leader.

  • Adrian Hinds // June 30, 2008 at 12:01 PM

    Anonymous // June 30, 2008 at 11:34 am

    Whilst at it Adrian. How come everyone over looked the fact that Mr. Thomas met with the then leader of the Opposition way back in 1999, the same time as the cheques. Maybe, and I am very careful with my words cause I ain’t want to be sued by either parties. We know for sure that Mr. Alleyne was not the GM at the time, we are hearing about cheques written, but no concrete evidence of WHY. We know that he met with the then Opposition leader, but we don’t know WHY. We know the cheques were cashed, again we don’t know the transaction.

    Possibly the transaction went sour, or maybe it was political ploy since it was electioneering time.
    =================================

    Your assumptions are not my concern, even if such is the truth, the indisputable facts are that a Contractor wrote cheques of a personal nature to a government employee who had authority to issue and did authorize the awarding of contracts to said contractor. The mere copies of such cheques demands at least a review by the DPP as is required by the Laws of Barbados, specifically the prevention of corruption act of Barbados.

    We must not only say that we are nation of laws, we must act when required by said laws, for this to be so.

  • Tell me Why // June 30, 2008 at 12:34 PM

    Which rule of law will be able to link the receivable of cheques to bribery. Mr Alleyne don’t have to answer any questions point blank.

  • Adrian Hinds // June 30, 2008 at 1:18 PM

    Tell me Why // June 30, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Which rule of law will be able to link the receivable of cheques to bribery. Mr Alleyne don’t have to answer any questions point blank.
    =================================
    ha ha ha ha ha thats why i would suggest to the author of the nationnews article “TRIUMPH OF LAWLESSNESS” That he review your comments to see that while he may think that “there is no room in our Barbados for persons either acting, or being treated, as if they are above the law” that the room is actuall filled with such persons. :D

    http://www.nationnews.com/editorial/292018488629175.php

  • Adrian Hinds // June 30, 2008 at 3:49 PM

    Am ” Type because you have fingers” so you know, I cannot stop being t the “Ignorant son of a bitch” It is who i am, and proudly so. :D But can we meet in person? I would really like to find out if you had seriously intended to call my mother a bitch, and if so, give you the opportunity to tell me so to my face. Oh how sweet it could be, as short live as would be, don’t you think? I am willing to give you that chance are you game? Don’t i deserve to be told to my face what a low life i am? I think so :D

    …..Let me make it clear, I believe he is a BLP hack, and if perchance that i am wrong, from my veiw point he is in the least, being position as such by some in the BLP to give appearances to and too strengthen the BLP’s position that the current government is on a witch hunt to victimize persons who they concider to be BLP supporters.

    …….My only real contention is that the cheques is possible proof of a bribe, and if are suggesting otherwise, then it would mean that Mr. Thomas made the whole thing up. We know this to be not so. Mr. Thomas made it very clear who and for what purpose those cheques were intended. And while we know that Mr Stanton has cashed those cheques, he as has not disputed that which Mr. Thomas contends. And i believe he hasn’t done so becuase he can’t, but this is Barbados and i would not be surprise if Mr. Thomas comes at the 11th hour and say that he paid the cheques to Mr. Alleyne for some legitimate transaction that makes the question of possible corruption null and void. After all his only reason for disclosing those cheques was to prove his case for monies owed to him for work done.

  • Tell me Why // June 30, 2008 at 4:14 PM

    After all his only reason for disclosing those cheques was to prove his case for monies owed to him for work done.
    ……………………………………………………………………..
    Or maybe, he was pushed. Wow. Something sound fishy.

  • Anonymous // June 30, 2008 at 4:34 PM

    this case aint worth talking bout
    david thompson and his cronies need to find something to do and stop being vindictive
    this is nothing

  • David // June 30, 2008 at 6:55 PM

    We agree with me 100%.Adrian H has been saying it as well. We have changed the actors and the jury will be out for a long time on whether serious change can be achieved within the current system of governance.

    Although we applaud the SSA Board on their zeal to depart from the old mode their must be aware of the constrains that are still in place.

  • The scout // June 30, 2008 at 7:57 PM

    Queen
    If Mr Alleyne was fired under the wrong act, can these same bunch of losers come back and fire the man under another act? If he is wrong, FIRE HIM, but a new board would have to do that and explain that to the employers(the public/voters. DLP asked for change, we demanding change; transparent change.

  • Adrian Hinds // June 30, 2008 at 9:00 PM

    Anonymous // June 30, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    this case aint worth talking bout
    david thompson and his cronies need to find something to do and stop being vindictive
    this is nothing
    =================================

    So Anon you believe Stanton Alleyne is a BLP hack too? :D LOL

  • QUEEN // July 1, 2008 at 4:40 PM

    ‘The Scout’
    I do not know what went wrong but as I stated before maybe there was a bit too much zeal there without knowledge. I do not understand how the Board of the NIS got it right and the Board of the SSA got it wrong. It is plain to see that he took a bride and we do not know what else but I do hope I see justice being done in this instance.

  • me // July 1, 2008 at 5:52 PM

    Ok so the now what about the pending strike at the QEH. seems as though someone has been let go in a very hasty way. Initials BC and both BAMP and the NUPW are not happy about the situation and how it was handled…. lets see where this goes!

  • Anonymous // July 1, 2008 at 6:06 PM

    Would it be Brian Charles?

  • Ian Bourne // July 1, 2008 at 9:50 PM

    There was no defense nor hearing, it was kangaroo court on steroids, wunna have ya own agenda – I done! When the hammer fall on y’all next, I hope you have solidarity like we have, y’hear?

  • ROBOT // July 1, 2008 at 10:40 PM

    B C = BULL COW
    emphasis on BULL

  • me // July 2, 2008 at 6:56 AM

    You aint here dat from me…maisie welch

  • David // July 2, 2008 at 7:03 AM

    From media reports the NUPW and the QEH have been like a clam on this latest issue at the QEH. Could it that they have learned from the SSA matter and have conspired to muzzle information on this matter. We hope Minister Estwick forgets his boo boo over the SSA matter and respect the Court of Public Opinion.

    No boiler room deals!

  • Barnabas Collins // July 2, 2008 at 9:32 AM

    The some of the comments here and a letter to the editor I read on sunday lead me to think that we need to be very very careful what we beg for because we might get it.

    I think Mr. Bourne (if it is really him) has a lot of courage to enter this blog and make comments because it is obvious that the boards around have been charged with exterminating anyone who is seen as a BLP sympathiser. it is expected that some of the political erected boards, ambassadors and certain contracts et al will be removed as a matter of course but what is very frightening is that anyone who is now employed at a statutory corporation or it seems the civil service will come under the hammer. Lest we forget, diehards don’t get parties elected. The persons who get politicians elected are the ones who can make decision based on facts rather than blindly voting because it is my party. It should be abhored if any political party decide to dismiss members of statutory corporations based on their perceived political affiliation. That sort of partisan operation exists in other jurisdictions in the caribbean but not here.

    To my abhorance I read a letter that suggests that only party members should get employment for supporting the party in power. That is unbarbadian as one can ever imagine. I am part of a relatively large family and we are sometimes on differing sides of the political divide, but I would not want my family members losing their jobs because a particular political party is in charge. We are a small community and I hope that we will never get to the point where people think their very existence are connected to a political party. That will spell chaos and ruin as it has in other caribbean jurisdictions.

    As it relates to the Stanton Alleyne case, I cannot comment on if he took a bribe or not but what I can comment on is that if he was in the other camp as suggested by bloggers here, he would certainly not be acting for as long as he has. The fact the other government did not act on this means that they probably did not have enough evidence either.

    I am not a union person and probably will never be but apparently when the NUPW was concerned at the Hospital about how things were going there, it was the government of the day that was insensitive to the workers feelings. Now they have issues with what is happening now, it is because they don’t like this government. Crap is crap irrespective of which colour paper it is wrapped. Instead of villifying the NUPW, my quesiton is why the BWU is so silent and I would like to know what has happened with the workers at Royal Shop and Sandy Lane.

    I hope the bloggers here don’t have family, friends, acquaintances at statutory corporations working on contracts because I think they might be under some stress as it relates to their employment irrespective of if they took a bribe or not.

    Finally, I know I will be tagged as someone on the other side of political divide but believe me that could not be further away from the truth. I am a craftsman of my own fate, neither was I included or excluded, I am a Bajan like so many others that benefited from Free Education and a stable Barbados.

    BC

  • Anon // July 2, 2008 at 10:10 AM

    Ian Bourne

    Got any more jobs available at SSA? I want one bad, bad, bad.
    I would be able to tief as I like, tek bribes as I like and do as I like.
    And when I get ketch, Ian Bourne and the NUPW will back me 100 percent. The SSA is bribes heaven. The other SSA tieves will strike for me since there is safety in numbers.
    My pocket will be full of money everyday, I will not even have to cash my pay checck. Just like you.
    No wonder you left CBC you now getting real money and I want some too.
    So,Ian Bourne, don’t forget to let me if any jobs available at the SSA.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 2, 2008 at 11:06 AM

    Ian Bourne // July 1, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    There was no defense nor hearing, it was kangaroo court on steroids, wunna have ya own agenda – I done! When the hammer fall on y’all next, I hope you have solidarity like we have, y’hear?
    =================================

    ha ha ha ha you didn’t have to tell us what was driving your position and opinions on this issue, it was all to obvious. Far from me to tell a man what is in his best interest on a particular issue. It is of equal distance for that man to get me to share in his selfish view. :D I am free to view this issue on the merit of the actions of the accuse against the conditions set out in the Laws of Barbados, and so i do. :D
    …So you guh long and safe guard your pay check and i gine continue to look at Stanton’s “checkgate” via the letters of the Law. :D

  • The scout // July 2, 2008 at 11:55 AM

    Adrian
    If you got some information against Mr Alleyne, I suggest that you pass this on to the relevent authorities and save the board and gov’t some shame. Justice needs to be do and ASAP.

  • Ian Walcott // July 2, 2008 at 12:00 PM

    Ian Bourne…I think you need to back out of this conversation buddy…
    There are those who are bent on being personal and political…and as such, there’s little or no objectivity…
    I dont understand how an intelligent person can accept that it’s correct to judge someone on hearsay and limited evidence…
    Besides…that’s not the role of the public…that’s the role of the LAW…and this is where the Board step out of bounds…
    The procedure for handling a suspected criminal activity in the public service is quite straightforward…just follow the procedure and move on with business…
    Otherwise…the government will be accused (and rightfully so) of witch-hunting and political victimization…and this is certainly not the stuff that makes for good governance and democracy…

  • me // July 2, 2008 at 12:29 PM

    LOl… for real dough…some on here ar convicting Mr alleyne on hearsay.

    Any how I also heard that he MR Alleyne is a rgistered DLP member not a B so the plot thickens!

  • ROBOT // July 2, 2008 at 1:36 PM

    basketball in crisis
    cricket in crisis
    football in crisis
    politics in crisis
    men/wmen in crisis
    immigration

    what is goin on people ??

  • Adrian Hinds // July 2, 2008 at 1:44 PM

    Ian Walcott // July 2, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Ian Bourne…I think you need to back out of this conversation buddy…
    There are those who are bent on being personal and political…and as such, there’s little or no objectivity…

    =================================

    Boy you dus mek me laugh. I can say that you were personal and political pre Jan 15th. On the 16th and thereafter until now Objectivity seems to have invaded your thought process. I am not fooled by it. I have heard enough from you to conclude otherwise. You would like to masquarade as an academic when it suits you, but hacks can and are often times academics. :D

    ….Since Ian Walcott and NCF are permanantly link to each other in my mind. I had reason, to recently ask if the crop over calypso competition got cancel this year. Surely by now we would have seen signs of the annual “cat fights” de calypsonians, tent managers, and the NCF does put on fuh we. What or who is missing that the cat fight seems to be no longer? :D

  • Adrian Hinds // July 2, 2008 at 1:47 PM

    ROBOT // July 2, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    basketball in crisis
    cricket in crisis
    football in crisis
    politics in crisis
    men/wmen in crisis
    immigration

    what is goin on people ??
    ================================

    Barbados is being run by Lawyers, Economists, and Hacks who often masquarade as academics. :D

  • Tell me Why // July 2, 2008 at 1:57 PM

    What or who is missing that the cat fight seems to be no longer? :D
    …………………………………………………………………….
    Adrian. How about Peter Boyce.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 2, 2008 at 1:59 PM

    Barnabas Collins:
    It should be abhored if any political party decide to dismiss members of statutory corporations based on their perceived political affiliation. That sort of partisan operation exists in other jurisdictions in the caribbean but not here.

    ===============================

    I don’t know which Barbados you are living in or have lived in, but the one that i know has always seen the civil service padded with the governing party faithfulls. Getting a government pick or having a polticians send you to some government department for a job is a national passtime in Barbados. As for political diehardism, it is only a recent phenominon that has seen the decline in the influence of political diehards, and that has only been replace by a heighten master client relationship between constituents and certain politicians. But diehardism is still a factor in St.John, St.Thomas and to lesser extent in St. Joseph. The buying of votes is big in St.Michael North East, and James South. Let the axe fall on the hacks.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 2, 2008 at 2:06 PM

    Tell me Why // July 2, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    What or who is missing that the cat fight seems to be no longer? :D
    =================================

    how he get missing? I never could understand his many annual arguments, I don’t understand many of his songs either. :d Come to think of it he could be concidered a DLP supporter, so wait you trying to say that Peter Boyce use to cause all uh dah yearly confusion to mek de BLP look bad? If so i don’t think um work, I was always of the opinion that many Calypsonians should have been banned from ever singing giving the crap they often put out, rather than making noice for more money. I can’t remember that last time Madd put out a song that I like.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 2, 2008 at 2:14 PM

    The scout // July 2, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Adrian
    If you got some information against Mr Alleyne, I suggest that you pass this on to the relevent authorities and save the board and gov’t some shame. Justice needs to be do and ASAP.
    =================================

    The evidence that the Board presented to Stanton and that he refuse to comment on, should still be sent to the DPP for review.

  • Ian Walcott // July 2, 2008 at 2:21 PM

    Hahahahahaha…listen man…I voted once in my life and I can tell u now dat i done wid dat….not another vote…for bee, dee nor en…i done with dat…
    I aint voting for a mudda #)*#*&#, ya hear…ALL O DEM IS DE SAME TING…
    So dont accuse me of being political because I have no such agendas…I really am not that interested my dear friend…politicians dont run Barbados anyways…but that’s another discussion…

  • Adrian Hinds // July 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM

    me // July 2, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    LOl… for real dough…some on here ar convicting Mr alleyne on hearsay.

    Any how I also heard that he MR Alleyne is a rgistered DLP member not a B so the plot thickens!
    =================================

    ha ha ha ha and i heard that “me” is really “you” :D It would not matter to me, what you have heard. Are you not aware that the DLP is not above shooting their own. Sometimes very deliberately. :D

  • Adrian Hinds // July 2, 2008 at 2:30 PM

    Ian Walcott // July 2, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Hahahahahaha…listen man…I voted once in my life and I can tell u now dat i done wid dat….not another vote…for bee, dee nor en…i done with dat…
    I aint voting for a mudda #)*#*&#, ya hear…ALL O DEM IS DE SAME TING…
    So dont accuse me of being political because I have no such agendas…I really am not that interested my dear friend…politicians dont run Barbados anyways…but that’s another discussion…
    =================================

    I gine remember this statement, de next time de Redshirt Bees win de government. I gine present de proof to them that you are at the very least “Bee Light” just like Mascoll who could only muster a checkerd pink shirt.

  • Ian Walcott // July 2, 2008 at 2:43 PM

    I’m sure the BEES will win the next election anyhow…de IMF gonna be in Bay Street running tings again very soon…so I aint worried bout dah…the bees won several elections without my vote…so they wont need it in five yrs to win the elections…so stop making it personal cuz it really aint bout me…I wasnt even living in Bdos in 1994 when they won…
    Enjoy your current state of suffering under Thompson and his cronies my brother… I got breadfruit and flying fish with cucumbers…

  • J // July 2, 2008 at 3:01 PM

    Dear Carson:

    Re: your post of June 28th. I am trying to understand why you and your wife expected that the garbage would be picked up by the defense force and volunteers?

    You and your wife really expected that?

    Which planet you and the madam come from??

  • Ian Walcott // July 2, 2008 at 3:04 PM

    J…I didnt see that post…hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha….that’s funny…

  • Adrian Hinds // July 2, 2008 at 3:12 PM

    Ian Walcott // July 2, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    I’m sure the BEES will win the next election anyhow…de IMF gonna be in Bay Street running tings again very soon…so I aint worried bout dah…the bees won several elections without my vote…so they wont need it in five yrs to win the elections…so stop making it personal cuz it really aint bout me…I wasnt even living in Bdos in 1994 when they won…
    Enjoy your current state of suffering under Thompson and his cronies my brother… I got breadfruit and flying fish with cucumbers…
    ================================
    ha ha ha Everytime you say you are not partisan, you keep your mouth open a little longer and remove all doubt. Why would a politically independent person who profess love of country, seemly look forward to the IMF taking control of said country? Indeed you seem to be more hack than academic if you believe that the IMF can move into a country and “run” things just so. I have several IMF Barbados consultation reports from various years of the Owen Arthur led government, but atlast you would say they were incountry but not in control right?

  • Ian Walcott // July 2, 2008 at 3:34 PM

    Hahahahahahahahahaha…I just smell o rat…of course it’s the last thing I wish for my beloved island…but ya cant stop me from smelling o rat…after all…an economy needs people to spend to keep the machinery running…and from wha I hear…people aint spending…duh holding onto to duh coppers…
    What’s that all about…?
    Sounds like lack of confidence or fear to me…
    Everybody…waiting to see wha gonna happen…and in de meantime…nobody aint spending…so u kno wha dah means…
    No spending, no production, layoffs, unemployment, recession, stikes, increased crime, loss of confidence, austerity meeaures…VOTE OUT…(and dah would happen with whoever in power if duh cant get de damn ting run properly)…These are times to be creative…
    Where’s the creativity my friend…I aint seeing it…
    Sounds familiar?

  • Tell me Why // July 2, 2008 at 4:51 PM

    Come to think of it he could be concidered a DLP supporter, so wait you trying to say that Peter Boyce use to cause all uh dah yearly confusion to mek de BLP look bad?
    …………………………………………………………………….
    Wonder how you reach that assumption without any prompting. Adrian, was it that obvious? That makes me go hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm

  • me // July 2, 2008 at 5:13 PM

    amazing that he is so quiet this year now that he got a pick…hmmmmmmmmm

  • Tell me Why // July 2, 2008 at 8:40 PM

    Adrian
    Now you see we blame ministers and political parties, but it is people with agendas that are the destructive forces. Peter was a monster against the NCF even though the organisation made tremendous progress in the cultural field with positive signs in the tourism sector. This new board can relish on the success of the past boards. We will have to wait the next year or two to see the behaviour of the board/calypsonians.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 2, 2008 at 9:05 PM

    To: Ian Walcott

    Whether it is your first or last wish, you have been pellucid in what you expect for Barbados in 5 yrs, such as with your list of “projected outcomes”! Are you managing this list of projects? Since Jan 16th you have spoken about the 5 yr dismal future of Barbados with the confidence and conviction of a project manager committed to the task. It was rumored that DLP operatives where responsible for a number of the strikes, and acts of sabotage etc at the QEH that occurred last year under the BLP, is there now a concerted BLP effort to payback? But looka de tings that party hacks and unpatriotic bajan limies and Yankees wish and may very well be feverishly working to bring to fruition in Bimshire! Um is really a sad indictment on any number of over-in-way bajans, many of whom hold dual citizenship, to run down to the rock, advertising their suppose successes and achievements in foreign, just to land a government job,…to then turn around and to be so vindictive on losing their pick at the public trough, doing so by wishing and probably working towards destabilizing the country. Ian are you doing all you can to ensure that Thompy don’t get another term?

  • Adrian Hinds // July 2, 2008 at 9:17 PM

    Me and Tell me why I know that you/wunnuh love conspiracy theories and that is why i speculated on Peter Boyce’s pass actions. Now i am not going to dispute Peter’s DLP hack label but you would have me believe that Peter cause all of those yearly calypso controversies to disadvantage the Blp? and that furthermore the BLP was powerless to rain him in? I ain buying that. This is the same BLP that nearly depleted the DLP of potential candidates, that could create jobs out of thin air for anyone who wanted to be politically included, and you would have me believe that they could not persuade Peter Boyce otherwise?

  • Tell me Why // July 2, 2008 at 9:24 PM

    and you would have me believe that they could not persuade Peter Boyce otherwise?
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    Totally impossible Adrian. Peter knows what he want….Powerrrrrrrrrrrrrr, undivided powerrrrrrr. His next step……….Minister of Culture.

  • J // July 2, 2008 at 11:22 PM

    Dear Adrian Hinds:

    You asked for stories about bribery.

    Well here is mine.

    I have NEVER offered a bribe.

    I have NEVER accepted a bribe.

    It is people like you who are willing to offer bribes who have corrupted the public service.

    But just once I asked “nice” and had a passport application expedited.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 3, 2008 at 6:49 AM

    J:// July 2, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    It is people like you who are willing to offer bribes who have corrupted the public service.
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    J, how you arrived at that???????? Good to see you accepting the reality of a corrupt public service, but why would you want to believe that the Bribing started with “offers” and not with demands? Who you know that likes to payout money? I came along and heard the older men talking about it, I knew that i as an individual would be powerless to stop it. There is a saying in small town America which states, “You can’t fight city hall and win” that amply defines my situation back then in Bimshire. At any rate we all know that Politicians usually sets the behaviour that the masses then adopt. Deighton Mottley set the tone for “bribing” in Barbados and in the public service in particular. He is well known as the father of “corn beef and biscuit politics”. Getting something for doing something is as Bajan as “flying fish and cou. cou.

  • Anon // July 3, 2008 at 7:54 AM

    Bribes in the Barbados public sector is part of doing business with Government agencies.

    The SSA is the prime example. The other day I called the SSA truck to remove some old galvanised sheets, an old stove and an old washing machine. The SSA staff are paid by Government to do this job. Yet the driver told me that in order for the guys to remove the items “you have to give them a little something”. I had to give them $40.00 to do a job for which they are already paid.

    I did not offer to bribe them, they demanded a bribe, so in order to get my job done I had to pay up or else.

    So no wonder they would come out in force to support another crook.

    I thought that Ian Bourne was a man of honour but now I see that he is part of the problem. Another crook like all the rest of them.

    Let him deny what I just said.

  • Anon // July 3, 2008 at 8:08 AM

    Another example. A neighbor called the SSA truck to remove some old items from her property.

    When the SSA truck came her opposite neighbor asked the guys if they could take an old dog house which she wanted to dispose of The driver, again the driver this time a different one, told her that she would have to fix the men, meaning that she would have to bribe them in order to get them remove the old dog house. She refused and up to now the old dog house is still sitting in her back yard as they refused to move it.

    Ian Bourne deny this one too. I will get more examples for you.

  • Adrian hinds // July 3, 2008 at 8:13 AM

    “Getting someting fuh doing something” : Come Xmas many supermarkets and smaller minimarts are deluge with demands fuh a lil something that is often referred to as a xmas gift fuh as bajans would say “spending all my money wid you during the year”. A gift is given without asking and without requesting, a bribe is not.

    Anon Ian Bourne isn’t fooling anyone, we lived in Barbados . Do not capitulate to the demand for payment and risk been denied access to the service that you already paid via your taxes to have.

  • Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 8:15 AM

    Adrian…u aint kno um is time to go to work? Leff de people blogs dem…

  • me // July 3, 2008 at 8:44 AM

    as usual someone from over and away on here causing strife… I guess no bribes happen in Boston?

    personally I am against bribes and I do agree that it happens too often across the spectrum but where do we start…
    Also if we are going to address it we need to do so propelrly. The Board at the SSA ffffed up . Period. And now dey effing up at the QEH too…!

  • Adrian hinds // July 3, 2008 at 9:49 AM

    me // July 3, 2008 at 8:44 am

    as usual someone from over and away on here causing strife… I guess no bribes happen in Boston?

    personally I am against bribes and I do agree that it happens too often across the spectrum but where do we start…
    Also if we are going to address it we need to do so propelrly. The Board at the SSA ffffed up . Period. And now dey effing up at the QEH too…!
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    ha ha ha ha me! uh mean you, …..playing you aint know that Boston is where many Bajans come to learn the finer points of “hacking”, taking a bribe, etc. Now how you think Owen Arthur got elected to parliament as the rep for St.Peter? Tom saw to it that EBC redraw the constituency map to effect that win. Such redrawing is normaly referred to “Gerrymandering” and where you think the that term was first coined and used? thats right Boston. :D

    Let de axe fall on the hacks. Really though the only effect resolution to this State of Bribing is to Vote dem in and vote dem out every 5 yrs.

  • Adrian hinds // July 3, 2008 at 9:52 AM

    Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 8:15 am

    Adrian…u aint kno um is time to go to work? Leff de people blogs dem…
    =================================

    I work in knowledge management and technology. Work is 24 hrs. The blogs are a great mental exercise, and exercise has a priority in my life. :D

  • J // July 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM

    I am appalled that anybody would have looked to Deighton Mottley for moral guidance.

    Maybe Adrian should have looked to his God, his parents, or his church.

    But Mottley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 11:29 AM

    Adrian…

    Interesting…I’m actually measuring (or trying to) how much Bdos is using the as a tool for economic development…and blogs are an integral part of this process…

    Cool man…

  • J // July 3, 2008 at 11:34 AM

    And that old dog house will remain in the backyard for ever.

    It is NOT the responsibility of the SSA to come into ourbackyards to remove old dog houses and other debris.

    It is our responsibility to break down the old dog house into managable peices and to bring those pieces to the curb. I bet if your neighbour had done that the pieces would have been quickly picked up by the SSA.

    But no wonder we feel we must pay bribes since we believe that the SSA staff are our personal cleaning crew.

    You tax money pays the SSA to pick up what’s at the curb.

    Your backyard is your responsibility. You can clean and take to the landfill yourself or you can hire a private guy to do it. If you are old or sick or disabled your first call is to family, then friends, then the government.

    No country in the world pays public sanitation men to do personal backyard work, No country in the world can afford to do so.

  • me // July 3, 2008 at 11:43 AM

    yea i was wondering about that too… ihave packed bsuh in large size garbage bags an put them in my bin so that the SSA can move them …I dont know what dey complianing bout

  • J // July 3, 2008 at 12:00 PM

    The old the sick and the disabled can ask their churches to help with back yard clean up too. Every church, temple, mosque and other religious gathering has strong young members. And I hear that some of these young peopple are bored and do not know what to do with their lives. How about some churches organizing the younger stronger members to help the elders in the congregation with the dog house backyard cleanups.

    I did it for my old auntie recently and the SSA took the debris from the curb, no bribe offered nor accepted.

  • Adrian hinds // July 3, 2008 at 12:05 PM

    // July 3, 2008 at 11:26 am

    I am appalled that anybody would have looked to Deighton Mottley for moral guidance.

    Maybe Adrian should have looked to his God, his parents, or his church.

    But Mottley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    =================================

    J: D Mottley was just a point of reference, not a source for guidance. But your country celebrated the life of Mottley several years ago. They said he was GREAT MAN, luv his rum, and was generous with de women, that he paid hamonsomely for support at the polls. Did you miss that? The fact that he was a womanizer, I no longer wonder why David Cathcart Simmonds and Mia Mottley have strikingly similar facial features and baritone voice. ha ha ha they both luv to smoke. :D

  • Adrian hinds // July 3, 2008 at 12:07 PM

    J and Me de two uh wunnu delieberately missing the point. That SSA truck crew where not obligated to take that woman’s old dog house, and they certainly where not authorize to accept PAYMENT for so doing. Now was a bribe in that case offered or asked for?

  • me // July 3, 2008 at 12:21 PM

    he way I see she got off lucky becauase if she had to call someone to move it it owuld be 200 so 40 is not bad..

  • me // July 3, 2008 at 12:23 PM

    in this case they offered to render a service outside of their job for a fee …

  • Adrian hinds // July 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM

    So me, you see nothing wrong wid de SSA truck crew initiating , de perpetrating a bribe?. J you need to direct your anger at “me” not I.

  • Anon // July 3, 2008 at 1:37 PM

    Adrian Hinds

    The bribe was asked for as is their custom.

  • Anon // July 3, 2008 at 1:49 PM

    J

    In your zeal to condone bribery you are coming over as an idiot.

    When the lady saw the SSA truck she brought out the old dog house from her backyard and placed it in front of her house, dummy.

    When she refused to “greased their hands” they did not take it.

    Following that she took the old dog house back into her yard.

    That clear enough for you? BLP crook.

  • J // July 3, 2008 at 2:42 PM

    I do not condone bribery.

    I am not a crook.

    I am not an idiot.

    I am not a BLP (nor DLP nor NDP, nor PDC either just to make it clear).

    Somehow I always get good service from the SSA.

    No I don’t work there. No I do not know anybody who works there or has EVER sat on a Board there.

    I am always pleasant and courteous to the guys.

    If I am at home when the SAA guys come I always go outside and wish them a pleasant good morning as I take my bin from the service man and returns it to its spot.

    courteous to the postman too

    and the public health inspector

    and at the polyclinic staff

    and to the hospital staff. If I accompany an elder to the hospital the will give me a nice warm blanket in emergency, because I ask nice for one.

    nice to the ZR men

    and the Transport Board workers

    and the taxi drivers

    and more that 95% of the time I get really, really, really good service.

    Try it Anon. You may find that you like it and the service workers will too.

    Too many service workers get “hogged-up” on their jobs.

    It is not only nice to be NISE it is also worthwhile.

  • J // July 3, 2008 at 2:45 PM

    Adrian I do not think that Mottley was a great man. I have never celebrated him. And I don’t know anybody who has.

    My people are country folk and we do not sell or votes.

    Nor our bodies.

  • Tell me Why // July 3, 2008 at 3:40 PM

    In your zeal to condone bribery you are coming over as an idiot.

    When the lady saw the SSA truck she brought out the old dog house from her backyard and placed it in front of her house, dummy.
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    One minute “ANON”. How can you call someone an idiot when you never mentioned the lady taking the dog house to the front. So in fairness you owe “J” an apology. It is you in your speed to condemn , you forget to check your statement.

  • ROBOT // July 3, 2008 at 6:59 PM

    wait!

    david simmons is a mottley

  • The scout // July 3, 2008 at 7:05 PM

    Politics seem to cloud so-call intelligent people’s mind. Instead of lambasting Alleyne on the blog and making all kinds of unfounded remarks against the guy, why not take whatever information any of you have and pass it to the DPP. Either speak up or shut up. Remember what goes around comes around. Your day might come too.

  • Anonymous // July 3, 2008 at 9:19 PM

    Robot:

    So what if our CJ is related to the Mottleys..Is that a crime?

  • Adrian Hinds // July 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM

    Anonymous // July 3, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Robot:

    So what if our CJ is related to the Mottleys..Is that a crime?
    =================================
    so how are they related??????

  • Tell me Why // July 4, 2008 at 1:47 PM

    So what if our CJ is related to the Mottleys..Is that a crime?
    ……………………………………………………………………
    Nearly all politicians are family, or married into a family, eat and drink with one another in a family setting. Ask the PM if Mia Mottley ain’t one of his best friends.

    That’s why we none de plumes shouldn’t try to denigrate one another and the said politicians eating and drinking wid each other. Politics is like Wrestling. Pure Hollywood fanatics. Think about it my friends.

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