Apparently there was a Caribbean Tourism Summit meeting last week in Washington held under the auspices of the Caribbean Tourism Organization. According to this article, it was the first annual Caribbean Tourism Summit. The fact that tourism is the live-blood of most of the Caribbean islands and in 2008 we have for the first time been able to convene a summit is instructive.
A couple things stood out when we read the article. Firstly we noticed that that former United States Chairman of the Federal Reserve participated in the summit. Out of curiosity we wonder how much money the retired manipulator of the world’s financial market had to be paid to participate.
Here is a snippet of what Greenspan told tourism leaders from the Caribbean:
In a series of informal exchanges in front of conference participants, Dr Greenspan, a man whose views can still move markets, told his interlocutor, Sir Dwight Venner, governor of the East Caribbean Central Bank, that the long-term trend for Caribbean tourism was positive. The industry’s fortunes would follow rising living standards in prosperous geographically close states, and the Caribbean would remain a desirable destination for the northern hemisphere.
Having built-up the expectation of the region’s tourism leaders Greenspan was quoted later in the conference as follows:
Oil prices were likely to continue to rise as they were largely a function of a decrease in global reserves of oil. As investment in new production had diminished and demand increased, such reserves were now only running parallel to production.
The consequence was that prices had risen and the investment community had placed a high value on holding investments in oil, the former Federal Reserve Chairman suggested, for periods of up to a decade and a half. The consequence was that changing demand and speculation may lead to continuing instability, resulting in sudden price falls occurring against an overall continuing upward trend in the price of oil.
Maybe we are missing something but what was Greenspan trying to say? To be honest is sounds like a good dose of ‘gobblygook’. It seems mind boggling to the BU household that in 2008 we would have four or five regional airlines all battling for supremacy in the small Caribbean skies. This is happening against the world’s leading airlines which have better management, equipment, critical mass, brand name and other factors going for it, and bankruptcies continue to be a feature of the industry. It also might explain why the Trinidad government seems hell bent on buying a private jet. Some of our leaders surely have their heads up each other’s tails.
It does not take an HC boy to correctly analyse that at the regional level we have to strategize to tackle the problem of airlift servicing our region. The fact that the global economic turbulence continues to wreck havoc on the airline industry is not good news for our region. It continues to be an indictment on the region that our despotic leaders, who all lead small economies which depend on tourism, do not realize that an avant guard approach is required. In fairness to Barbadian hotelier Ralph Taylor and St. Lucia Tourism Minister Alan Chastenet they have been calling for drastic action for sometime. Let us not forget Adrian Loveridge who has been ‘mummed’ in recent times given the collective responsibility he now has to respect as a BTA board member.
On July 02 the Caribbean leaders will be meeting in Antigua. Hopefully the utterances which we have come to expect from CARICOM will now take on a steely purpose which is required by the seriousness of the times.















123 responses so far ↓
Cat Scan // July 1, 2008 at 6:32 AM
Our tourist industry is in for a battering by the Global challenges. I hope we have other means to earn foreign exchange or we are in trouble?
The airlines are struggling and they are raising prices and reducing routes.
We certainly have put all of our eggs in one basket (tourism) and we will pay for this.
Daniel // July 1, 2008 at 6:38 AM
The Caribbean may take a temporary setback. With creative attention paid to alternative energy, however, the area could prosper anew. With ample wind and sun resources the cost of energy in this part of the world should actually go down and therefore stabilize the cost of living. To make this happen will require quality leadership, something that may or may not be lacking. http://www.bentpage.wordpress.com.
David // July 1, 2008 at 6:52 AM
Daniel et at what some members of the BU family has been asking is what happens in the transition period. The establishment including government and the BL&P (line utility) appear to be very happy to wait until the price of oil revert to $80.00.
Even if we reduce energy cost in the region what about the affordability issue for those who usually travel to the region from the US, UK etc?
Daniel // July 1, 2008 at 8:31 AM
David, the total cost of vacation or other visit to the Caribbean may be reduced if lower energy prices exist there. For example, the airfare may be higher, but the hotel less expensive because the hotels costs are lower. So, if a travel agency sells a “package” including transport, hotel, and so forth, the over all cost may be less. Secondly, energy production is another issue greatly overlooked on the islands. Energy is the lifeblood of any economy. When it is relatively cheap, the possibility exists to produce any number of products, solutions, and so on. For example, in Aruba, there is the sun and wind potential to be a net exporter of energy. How? Well, say Aruba generated an excess of electricity, it could be cabled to Venezuela or Colombia or used to produce things like fresh water, hydrogen, and so forth, all of which are in demand. I’ve conducted a detailed analysis for this island. Alas, it falls upon deaf ears. I suppose paying blood money for oil is a better choice than making changes.
The People's Democratic Congress // July 1, 2008 at 8:33 AM
As a people-centered progressive nationalist developmentalist party, we in PDC are dismayed that the Caribbean Tourism Organization’s FIRST Caribbean Tourism Summit was NOT RIGHTLY HELD anywhere in the Caribbean region, but WAS INFELICITIOUSLY HELD in WASHINGTON, DC, USA, last week. What a fundamental error of judgement and perspicacity!!
Consequently, this Caribbean Tourism Organization (CTO) can NOT, from PDC’s point of view, be as serious as it would want us – in this region now – to believe that it has been/is about its own regional tourism planning and development plans and outlook, when it goes and holds it first Summit NOT in Barbados, NOT in Jamaica, NOT in Trinidad and Tobago, NOT in Guyana, NOR in any other Caribbean territiory, BUT in the USA, which is presently experiencing serious economic and financial problems that have clearly mainly come about from the federal government’s gross and reckless mismanagement of many of the country’s so-called economic, financial and foreign policy affairs – and which present dire challenges for the blinkered eye approach to the region’s TOURISM marketing strategies. Is this NOT the same USA that has NEVER done as much as it ought to to constructively engage the Caribbean region – even though it is clearly within its immediate sphere of influence – in any regional plans forwards and upwards into this post-communist, post-cold war 21st century era, materially and financially speaking?
Furthermore, the decision to hold this Summit in the USA must surely be a gross insult to the pride and chauvinism of many of those Caribbean people – PDC excluded – that continue to falsely misbelieve, and with an element of social schizophrenia – that central to the further development of a true and genuine Caribbean Civilization must STILL be this already fluctuating TOURISM, and that this TOURISM should remain the so-called economic and financial mainstay of many of the region’s so-called economies. We in PDC are of the view that the leaders of the CTO simply have – in staging this Summit in the USA – joined that uneviable group of useless, visionless eurocentric CARICOM leaders and bureacrats who would have recently held a CARICOM conference in the USA!!
Finally, what is of even greater concern to PDC are those reports – on this blog and on eTurbo News – that the former US Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan had informal exchanges with some of the participants of this Summit -including Sir Dwight Venner, the head of the Eastern Caribbean Central Bank, saying, among other things, that “the long-term trend for Caribbean tourism was positive”, partly following from “rising living standards in prosperous geographically close states” and that the Caribbean would remain a “destination of choice for many of the northern hemisphere” and that “if the region can sustain its comparative advantage during a global economic downturn, then it would be well placed to avail itself of an upturn” (eTurboNews). Such reported comments both seriously indicate the chronic and almost incurable level of dependence on TOURISM that many Western people like Dr. Alan Greenspan would wish for us – in this Caribbean region – to incorrectly overly indulge in, and to our own tremendous net material, financial, and social detriment and disbenefit, and the serious inferiority complex that many of us in this Caribbean region still shamelessly suffer from, so much so that at this very inaugural Summit you had Dr. Greenspan – one of the world’s arch proponents of this wicked and cruel doctrine called economics – being the key participant, and NOT one of us that has emerged directly from out of the lines of those of our forbears who would have been so inhumanly enslaved in these parts by the earlier colonialist enslavers – but who too would have had the strength and intellect to outline to the other participants the benefits of a new vision for the greater empowerment, freedom, wealth, personhood and humanity of Caribbean people, at this present juncture. So, what a disastrous calamitious shame, the CTO did NOT have such a person!!
PDC
Adrian Loveridge // July 1, 2008 at 9:39 AM
David,
Don’t write me off yet.
I am just trying to do things a little differently and hopefully achieve some objectives during my two years on the board.
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Pat // July 1, 2008 at 11:56 AM
While tourism to the Caribbean may suffer, those countries nearer to the mainland of North America will not feel the full effects as those destinations are near and overall cheaper places to visit. For example, Mexico, Bahamas, Dominican Republic, Cuba, the Virgin Islands.
politically incorrect // July 1, 2008 at 12:47 PM
I worked in the tourist industry for years. In the tour business, as HR manager in a major West Coast Hotel……this is 25 years ago. Could see the writing on the wall then.
Whatever I said fell on deaf ears. A certain Trade Unionist told the employees to ignore that “white woman” and NOT to smile at the tourists as if they (the workers) were monkeys……… there was lots more.
This was the diet in the 80’s. I left Bim, came back in the 90’s entered another occupation, spent a further 12 years and absolutely nothing had changed. Same horse, different colour.
BTW I am planning a trip to Maui in a month or so. In preparing that I have done alot of research.
Allow me to tell you that you can book a condominium on line where they give a FULL video presentation of every room. Every aspect of the room, the view etc. i.e. no surprises when you get there. Well I haven’t got there yet but I suspect when I return, and if you allow me to, I would be more than happy to give you my impression of how they “do” tourism in Maui. I believe it is going to be an eye opener.
In doing my research Cancun was a possibility but I preferred Maui. However, you can stay at an all inclusive resort in Cancun for about $120 USD per day. They run these resorts like the cruise ships. For those who are into food, you can go to eat at countless different restaurants during the day all included. How can Barbados compete with that?
I have said all of that to say, as I always did when I worked in tourism, there are COUNTLESS other places in the world that have beautiful sea and sun. If now, these places outsell and outmarket Barbados, please tell me what is so special about Barbados that they will continue to come? Money talks……………everything else walks.
Pat // July 1, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Poliltically incorrect:
Why waste time. Bajans know everything. They have all the sun and sand in the whole world. While in Maui, hop over to Kauii, it is beautiful, very natural with some lovely resorts. I took the local plane from Oahu. It did not cost much and we stayed at the Beachboy an all inclusive. The Kauii Lagoons is a good place to shop. Beautiful resort. You should at least go see the golf course.
politically incorrect // July 1, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Thanks for the “heads up” Pat…………..how true!
David // July 1, 2008 at 6:04 PM
This interesting critique appeared in the Miami Herald today. It sums up the current issues in CARICOM very well in our view.
Ian Walcott // July 1, 2008 at 9:10 PM
This is not an area in which I claim any sort of expertise other than the fact that I watched my dad work tirelessly as a Food & Beverage Manager in the sector for 30 yrs and, like one of the earlier posts said; he long foretold this disaster.
It still baffles me why people even bother to come the Caribbean.
The service experience generally sucks and it’s terribly overpriced…
There is also little product differentiation…all the air and seaports selling the same shite…every island has the same stores…the t-shirts are the same with a different country marked on the front…and boy the service is horrible…
We still have a problem with seeing blacks as tourists and continue to treat each other like shit…and I experienced this as recent as a month ago in St. Maarten…Imagine as a lil boy growing up my dad talked about this problem with his staff in the 70s…
Now… Grantley Adams Int’l airport…where the touristic experience begins…
1. The immigration officers are pigs…
2. The customs officers are pigs…
3. Why does it take more than 30 mins to move a distance of less that one kilometer from deplaning to the arrivals’ lounge?
4. Why do we still have obnoxious red caps when the world over has moved to self-service…why should I be punished if I dont want to pay a pig to carry my luggage…why cant I pay for my own cart…?
5. Ok…so if it’s a good day you’ll get thru this experience in 20 mins…then the first person you meet is a taxi driver… A BAJAN TAXI DRIVER…
Lawwwwwwwwwwd have his mercy!
Pigs, pigs, pigs, pigs…and if you use AC they charge you more…
Want more…may de lord help ya if when ya get off de plane a night and de wind high blowing and ya smell de pig shite coming down from Mangrove or de stench from David Seale’s rum factory…
If it’s during de day…ya drive to de hotel is flavored with stink smells, garbage everywhere…people throwing garbage out of their cars onto the streets, a dirty highway…pot holes…then you arrive at run down hotels that charging you an arm an a leg to sleep on old beds and more shoddy service…
We need to stop blaming the high oil prices…there are millions of millionaires in the US, Europe, Africa (yes Africa), Latin America and Asia…
If we cater to this market…we only need 1% of this business to keep us happy…and this market is not affected by oil prices…but they certainly dont want the shoddy experience we’re are selling…we need to fix that…
I was 15 yrs old sitting down on the patio of Masada overlooking the West Coast at Brighton…when the late Sir James Tudor, my then English teacher, told me and my other classmates…that the future for Barbados’ tourism was DELUXE TOURISM…but no…de gurus gone to all inclusive and cheap tours dat does bring in Sam Poochie and de Duppy outta de ghettos in London…now every slum bag can brag that they went to Barbados…SHUPESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS…
Ah gone…
Ian Walcott // July 1, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Oh…btw…DELUXE tourism does not mean ravishing the West Coast or any other coast for that matter!
Wishing In Vain // July 2, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Well Ian Walcott you must have just awoken from your 14 years of slumber, what an idiot you must be, where have you been hiding while your party raped this countries beautiful coastline?
It is very sad in your attempt to score cheap political points you venture down this path, you take time out and reflect and then tell me who has done untold damage to our island, was it not you and your party of money grabbing crooks, when a Town and Country Planning permission for PORTICO can be sold to the owner for a MILLION DOLLARS over drinks at BUSH BAR, this is despit the CTP having already turned the permission down.
The message to the owner is that you pay HN and once that has been completed the permission is yours to have!!!
Ian Walcott // July 2, 2008 at 9:25 AM
You obviously havent read the post carefully…who de hell is talking politics…no one is talking about bee or dee…the post is speaking to poor service; poor attitude; littering; garbage on the streets; old hotel plants; overpricing the tourist experience; over commoditization of our tourist product instead of customization and selling a unique approach; and a general piss poor tourist product that aint worth wha paddy shoot at…
No one is talking politics you JACKASS!
The problem is that Bajans have buried their heads so deep in the sand and political cess pool that they’re forgetting that their number one product is tourism…
Tourism is a service product…and service is not just a smile…it’s cleanliness, timeliness and good attitude…
Dispute anything that I’ve said in my post and we can start to have a conversation…
1. Dispute the bad attitude of immigration and customs officers…let’s have a conversation…this has nothing to do with any political party…this is about individuals taking responsiblity for their own behavior…
2. Dispute the fact that Bajans are filthy…dispute the fact that the gullies are filled with garbage, that people can be seen throwing garbage out of cars and buses…that Long Beach is used as a dump…that people litter all over Bridgetown….that’s not political…that’s nasty citizens my brother…
3. Dispute the stench in Mangrove…the smell of pig shite…dispute the stench from Foursquare or the stench from Mount Stinkeroo…this is about individuals not being responsible…not government nor party…
4. Dispute the old run down overpriced hotels…
5. Dispute the two-by-three restaurants that charging an arm and #)%*#@ leg for a lil plate of food and calling it fine dining…
THIS IS NOT POLITICS…THIS IS ABOUT PEOPLE NOT DECIDING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THEMSELVES AND TAKE THEIR COUNTRY FORWARD…
YA REALLY THINK THAT 30 MEN AND WOMEN IN PARLIAMENT CAN BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL DIS…YOU ARE A JACKASS IF YOU WANT TO POLITICIZE SOMETHING AS ELEMENTAL AS THIS…IT’S ABOUT YOUUUUUUUUUUUU THE INDIVIDUAL TREATING YOURSELF AND ENVIRONMENT WITH RESPECT…
Then the tourists will come…right now…there’s nothing spectacular about the Barbados tourist product my friend…because of attitudes like yours…GO CLEAN THE GARBAGE FROM AROUND YOUR HOUSE AND TEACH YA CHILDREN GOOD MANNERS SO THEY WONT GROW UP TO BE PIGS LIKE THE TAXI DRIVERS AND THE MYRIAD OF HOGS WORKING IN THE TOURIST INDUSTRY AND STOP BLAMING POLITICIANS FOR YOUR OWN BAD ATTITUDE…
You really piss me off dis morning!
Wishing In Vain // July 2, 2008 at 7:12 PM
IAN WALCOTT, is it part of the requirement to be in the inner workings of your corrupt BLP group to master the art of being a foul mouthr person ??
Did Owing teach you ??
We really have no cares if we P___ you off or not, more importantly stop being so crude and vulgar it has no place on these sites.
Then again you may lack the ability to say anything without the use of swear words that is your problem, should that be the case my suggestion is that you abstain.
Wishing In Vain // July 2, 2008 at 7:15 PM
PS You do your party no favours with your crude uncouth style, it reminds me so much of your dishonest leader Owing, foul mouths are a standar operating procedure within the BLP from the evidence given.
David // July 2, 2008 at 7:34 PM
WIV, all the BU family must admit you have been relentless in your political rhetoric but we have to warn you. The time for Prime Minister Thompson et al is rapidly running out to show the people a new way of doing things. People want to see an approach by the government which suggests change. So far there is a feeling that it is business as usual.
We hope WIV to hear from you soon about earth moving initiatives.
Wishing In Vain // July 2, 2008 at 8:07 PM
Take a close listen to the Budget on Monday that will shed some light on the direction and the actions that this new Gov’t will be taking.
There is an awful lot of dirty to cleanup , which is being done as we speak and as that is being done a new program will roll out, lets not forget about the excellent step forward to make those NHC homes available to all who have their rents paid up, this in itself is a massive step to help the small man.
Tell me Why // July 2, 2008 at 9:08 PM
WIV. Are you aware that social services cannot jump start an economy. By giving away NHC houses will not improve our inflation rate. Although we saw last minute consultation with various players after the fact – after the estimates laid in the Upper House – promising Tom, Dick and Harry. let’s be realistic.
YOU CANNOT HAVE A $100 BUDGET WITH MILLION DOLLAR PROMISES.
These are what Barbadians are looking for:-
Economic programs that would maintain/create employment that would stop foreclosures on homes, maintain a standard of living and enfranchise the masses.
We are looking at these critical areas:- Tourism Industry, Agriculture sector, Manufacturing Industry, Retail Sector, Transportation sector and finally your promised goals of “The lowering of the Cost of Living”
Ian Walcott // July 2, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Stop side stepping and deal with the issue at hand here…this post is talking bout tourism…
Dispute what I said about Barbados’ tourist product and then we can have a conversation…
Until such time…vai tomar no seu cu…!
Wishing In Vain // July 3, 2008 at 3:25 AM
Sadly Ian Walcott you are one bitter and sad excuse for a person, as displayed in your disgusting and abusive postings.
I however find it amusing that you can find no good in our hotel or tourism product but thankfully those from all around the world clamour to be seen here, if we have it so wrong as you are sadly trying to make out that it is, then maybe the owners of SANDY LANE and all the other such 4th rate properties according to you that they are really ought to relocate to Trinindad as their tourist product is so much more advanced than ours.
All that I will say to you for a country that is so backward according to you Walcott we have done extremely well despite your former Ministers best effort to hamper the industry and will continue to excel under a new Minister that understands the industry that he oversees.
Your wish and mouthings of gloom and doom are sadl;y misplaced and no amount of swear words will change that.
It is high time to throw away that party loyalty and to support the nation and its people in our quest to be the number one tourist destination of the world, we all know and we have all seen what a thriving tourism product can do for our country and its people.
In closing let me add that if we were to listen to you we would be left to think that all our accomodations were provided in the slums of the back streets of this island and not to have had properties such as SANDLY LANE and others that are well above 4 star ratings, I wonder Walcott how were these ratings made if in your view the product is so backward???
Grow up guy and open your eyes and maybe your brain and think before you post and rant on about absolute nonsense as you have done above and accept that Barbados has a fantastic hotel and tourism product, despite your wishes otherwise.
David // July 3, 2008 at 6:00 AM
The big question remains unanswered after yesterdays deliberation by the region’s leaders. WHAT ABOUT AIR TRAVEL? WHAT ABOUT CRIME?
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 7:09 AM
What fantastic hotel and tourist product what…?
1.The industry is highly subsidized to remain competitive…
2. It’s subscribed by cheap tours dominated by English travel companies….Barbados probably gets 10 cents out of every dollar…ask the GM of Almond…
3. The tour companies pay when they feel like…and lick up the hotels’ cash flow…
4. The highest spike in arrivals outside of December to February is during Crop Over when returning nationals come home…
5. Sandy Lane is one over-priced product…read the general reviews on tripadvisor.com
6. There’s ONE brand name hotel in the island….if the product was soooooooooo good…the brand names would be clamoring to get there…let’s see how long the Four Seasons brand will stick around…because that requires a high level of service that is simply not there….
7. The arrivals statistics are bumped up by the thousands who come in on cruise ships, go into Bridgetown and buy a lousy T-shirt then get harrassed by the unmannerly taxi drivers in front Nelson to get a $10 ride back to de port…
Dah’s a tourist product?
Sandy Lane is someting to boast bout?
I really feel sorry for whoever got dah portfolio to manage to tell de trute…cuz no amount of millions in marketing can improve the piss poor customer service…IT’S HORRIBLE my friend…
So if you think that Bdos has this wonderful tourism product that the world over is clamoring for…and people are falling over themselves to get here…then enjoy your fantasy island…because it’s really Just Beyond Your Imagination….it aint real…
Get the basics right…Sandy Lane is one hotel that can barely accommodate a few hundred guests…ya really tink dat Sandy Lane alone can sustain Barbados…wha bout de rest dat falling to pieces…
THE BASICS my friend…start wid de airport experience, de taximen, de waiters, all de hotel workers, de red caps…de people working in de stores…
Then clean up de place…it dirty…but you may think otherwise…it might be clean by your standards…get in your car now and take a ride to Long Beach or the East Coast and come back and post here how clean it really is…
Drive along the ABC Highway right now and tell me if you dont see plastic bags and cups and Chefette and KFC boxes all in the ditches….
Oh…maybe that’s cleanliness by your standards…read the travel sites and see how many first time visitors say…”the beaches are beautiful but the country is dirty”
Why would the government invest in a NISE program if they didnt recognize that poor service is a serious problem that’s undermining the industry…
Everyone wishes the best for Barbados and no one wants to see it fail…and no one is preaching gloom and doom…but we have to start with an honest assessment of ourselves…the industry has been in trouble for yearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs…let’s look in the mirror and ask ourselves the tough questions…let’s be HONEST…then let’s do our part to keep the country cleannnnnnnnnnnnn…
What tourist product what…people come here by default…for alllllllllllllllllll de crime and bad int’l reputation dat Jamaica got…dem does get 3 million visitors a yr…
OOOPS did I say dat! Int’l brands are opening up in Jamaica everyday…
Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee…take ya head outta de sand and stop listening to foolish politicians talk shite…
David // July 3, 2008 at 7:13 AM
Ian there is some truth in your critique of the current state of our tourist product. The part which may still separate us is the service level. If we can keep it high and position Barbados correctly in the market i.e.mid to high these people may still pay to get that experience.
Based on your recent postings about tourism we take it you have no time for the initiative NISE?
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 7:21 AM
Ooooops…look what I just found on Tripadvisor…a beautiful review of Sandy Lane and I quote…
Feb 20, 2008
7/9 found this review helpful
“While Sandy Lane is clearly a very high quality establishment, it fell short of our (admittedly high) expectations. There are many, many other resorts in the Caribbean that offer service and accomodations that are at least as good as Sandy Lane, at 60% of the cost of my $1450/night room. While no one will have a bad time vacationing here – I would most likely not return. Service was good but not perfect; food, even at L’Acajou, was not spectacular, the beach beautiful but not better than others (and make sure you reserve a lounge on the beach right away, or you’ll be sitting in the shade all week). Overall, it didn’t deliver relative to its cost. I would rather return to Curtain Bluff or Little Dix, to name a few. There is a Four Seasons in construction nearby – I would try that after it opens as a Barbados destination instead.”
That’s from a guest my friend…not me…
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 7:27 AM
Oooooooooops…here’s another one from Expedia.co.uk
“Worst vacation
The location of the hotel is three minutes from the beach, which is public. Upon arrival to the beach, you are charged $3 for the beach chair, and additionally $6 for the umbrella. The room walls were pretty dirty. The towels were not changed throughout the 4 nights of the stay. The continental breakfast consisted of horribly sweet orange juice from concentrate, and uneatable bread to be covered by jam. Eggs and sausages on display were for the additional price. The attendants/receptionists were not helpful.”
Would you like me to continue…?
I can find hundreds upon hundreds of reviews like that on Barbados on top travel sites…
Would you like me to continue?
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 7:28 AM
“disappointed
First of all the bathroom smelt really bad even after being “cleaned” several times. If you are looking to relax and have your breakfast delivered to your room forget about it, they do not deliver in the mornings. On top of 15% VAT and the 10% service charge they charge an additional $10 for delivery to your room. The kitchen was always closed, thank god there were other places to eat in the area. The front desk staff was not friendly at all. It was not worth the price.”
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 7:29 AM
“Not impressed
Front desk personnel did not give service with a smile. Rooms and linens smelled of mildew and breakfast lacked variety. Be responsible for setting up your own excursions. If you leave it up to “Time Out” you will miss the bus everytime. Nightly entertainment at the hotel was great!”
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 7:31 AM
Barbados Grantley Adams Airport review by Clare Doyle
27 December 2006 Customer Rating : n/a
I have never been to such a chaotic airport with so little customer service and following our experiences on 16th December 2006 we hope never to have to travel to/via Barbados again. Late arriving connection flights are a standard issue in today’s travel world but to find no transit facility and an hour-long immigration queue when you only have an hour left to departure following the delay is beyond frustration. Why does an airport that has so many transit passengers not provide a transit facility. Many people on our incoming flight from Grenada/Tobago missed their connections and we only caught ours due to persistent nagging of the Information Desk staff, one of whom was charming the other disinterested, and the goodwill of Virgin Atlantic, possibly enhanced by the fact that we had checked in online from Grenada in the morning. I will recommend to everyone I meet that they do not travel to/via Barbados in future. I can understand congestion and extenuating circumstances but the complete lack of interest from the majority of staff was incomprehensible and totally adverse to tourist relations. The stress caused by this experience at the end of our holiday to the beautiful island of Grenada almost totally destroyed the benefits of a relaxing Caribbean holiday. The fact that no-one can be bothered to reply to my emails requesting an explanation of the issues only compounds the issue.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 7:33 AM
I can fill up this entire blog with these kinds of reviews…
Of course there are greattttttttttttttttt reviews as well…but the point is that we need to improve because one bad apple can spoil the whole set…and one bad customer experience can turn off thousands in the age of the Internet where people are free to post their experiences…
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 7:42 AM
David…I fully support the NISE intitiative…but of course…
Come on…my brother and I learnt to swim in a hotel pool where my dad worked when we were kids…we grew up around the industry…so I’m not wishing bad for the industry…that’s our product…but we need to fix some things URGENTLY…and NISE is definitely a step in the right direction…
I can safely say that my worst airport experience has been in my own country…
As a black student traveling back and forth to Japan…each time I arrived at the airport the immigration officer there would say “Welcome to Japan”…and they dont need tourism…trust me they dont….
I’ve never had that experience at GAIA…
I have learnt to laff and walk out de airport smiling…and make the excuse that that’s how we are…duh dont say good evening, duh does tek de passport from ya and shove it back at ya…if ya look like ya went shopping duh does dig up ya luggage…den when ya get outside and ya gotta pay fa parking de man or de woman in de booth dont even say “good day”…
Let’s be honest here…it’s not the best experience for an island that prides itself on tourism…
And dont tell me it aint de worst…I hear that argument all de time…we keep comparing ourselves to the other islands and beat our chests that we better than them…
I say let’s compare our product to that of Switzerland or Singapore…let’s aim to be truly the best…and it has to start with US the PEOPLE…
Adrian Loveridge // July 3, 2008 at 7:42 AM
Ian,
From someone that has spent almost his entire working life (42 years) in the tourism industry I do NOT disagree with everything you said.
But come on, a little balance.
One of the hotels you mention had a mission statement of ’setting new standards for the South coast’, but is actually loosing nearly BDS$1,400 per occuped room night in unpaid interest alone.
‘We’ have let it happen and those that could have made a difference remained silent and complicit.
And if you are going to quote TripAdvisor, then add a few of the comments on Little Arches, Mango Bay, Southern Surf and Sea-U-Guest House.
Plus we cannot be doing everything wrong, as our little hotel is already full with deposited repeat guests for February, most of January and March 2009 already.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 8:09 AM
Adrian…remember I said that there are wonderful reviews as well…and yes there are…
And I think that some smaller plants are very well managed…but can we do better?
The experience doesnt start when the guest arrives at the reception area of the hotel ya know…
In some cases the experience starts with an online booking…
I’m saying that we need EXCELLENCE in the entire supply chain of the product…from booking in home country straight through to departure…every step of the experience must be excellent…and I’m afraid that several of these steps are outside the control of you the hoteliers…
Ah gone…I goin n get ready fuh work man…it getting late…
But keep the debate going…I dont mind de personal attacks…I’ll stick to the issues…
Adrian Loveridge // July 3, 2008 at 8:38 AM
Ian,
I am certainly not attacking you personally.
And you are right we CAN and we HAVE to do a lot better!
Wishing In Vain // July 3, 2008 at 8:44 AM
I almost ashamed to respond to this nonsense written by a so called Barbadian, I am sure that for each negative comment published you will find a hundredthousand reflecting Barbados in glowing terms your effort to make a point are sadly misplaced and evil as per your vile use of abusive words.
You are misleading the public with your stupid comments.
Barbados would not rate as a world leading holiday destination were it to be loaded with poor quality service and poor quality Hotels.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk Wishing In Vain…you winnnnnnnnnnnnn!
1. Barbados is a leading tourist destination with millions of tourists each year.
2. Barbados is very clean. There’s no garbage on the streets, no dead animals and no stench in the air…it’s wonderful.
3. Barbados is a very civilized place where people respect law and order, especially the minibuses.
4. The beaches are fabulous…there’s no erosion, all the beaches are spotless and impeccable and there’s absolutely no harassment…you can relax on any beach all day with absolutely no harassment from locals.
5. Barbados is a very reasonable destination too…you can have a wonderful experience at the restaurants and in case you rent your own villa…you can go to any supermarket and find food items at very reasonable prices.
6. Not to mention the service in Barbados. It’s up there with Switzerland and Singapore man…it’s EXCELLENT…the natives are sooooooooo welcoming and everyone is sooooo friendly…it’s paradise…from the minute you land at the airport everyone is so friendly…
7. The airport is wonderful…there are new amazing jet ways so if it’s raining you dont have to worry because you walk straight through to the arrivals hall…IN FACT IT’S THE BEST AIRPORT IN THE CARIBBEAN…BETTER THAN PIARCO OR ST. MAARTEN OR MONTEGO BAY….It’s the bestttttttttttttttttt.
8. The airport service is wonderful…no long lines, more than enough agents to help you move along smoothly…in fact from the time you deplane until you exit the terminal…it takes you no more than 15 mins…this is phenomenal…no country in the region has achieved this level of efficiency…
9. All the hotels are wonderful…they’re all well maintained and the service is FIRST CLASS…and boy you really should visit Sandy Lane Hotel…this is the best hotel in the world…
10. Havent you visited our West Coast…”man we got villas down there that are worth millions”
11. And while you are in Barbados dont forget to visit our fancy capital Bridgetown where you can do world class shopping at phenomenal prices…we offer DUTY FREE…a few natives might harass you from time to time to buy something for them duty free because they are not allowed to purchase duty free…but dont worry about it…they’ re usually quite gentle folk…only the odd one will follow you around (what’s that dept store called again?) oh yea…Cave Shephepd….
12. You can always travel around the island in taxi…the taximen are very very pleasant…and the roads are excellent…the streets are clean and the country is so well manicured…
13. There’s no crime on the island…it’s very safe…you must go to St. Lawrence…no harassment and it’s very very safe…dont worry about the police van in St. Lawrence…they put that there because the GAP is soooo safe…
15. The island also looks spectacular…there’s absolutely no poverty here…no palings, everyone keeps there surroundings very tidy…the grass is always cut…it’s such a wonderful place…it feels like Bermuda…
BUT WE’RE BETTER…IN FACT WE’RE THE BEST…THE UN JUST SAID THAT WE’RE THE NUMBER ONE DEVELOPING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD….
This is such an achievement…but you better go and make you reservation now because all the hotels are booked to capacity and if you dont book in advance it’s very difficult to get there…because there are millions of tourists around the world who wish to visit this wonderful place called Barbados…
YOU WIN MUH BRUDDA…Barbados is greattttttttttt….sorry if I offended you man…
Barbados is a paradise…
Ooops…I forgot to mention….the natives will always tell you not to forget that “God is a Bajan”….You mustttttttttttttttt visit…it’s beyond your imagination…
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Adrian:
I wasnt refering to you about personal attacks…I know you better than that…you attack the issue (problem)…not the person…that’s the true nature and spirit of debating…
Ooops…dont use vile evil abusive words like SHITE, JACKASS or PISS OFF…this is nasty language….
And dont highlight the negative things about Barbados…please dont do that…that would be unpatriotic…you must always speak of Barbados in only glowing terms…everything else please shove under the rug…always tell everyone how wonderful our tourist product is ya hear Adrian…else you’d be branded as persona non grata…
Oh shoot…I think they branded you as that already… CUD DEAR…
Dont ever tell the truth…ya hear…ignore de facts…and everyone would luv ya…
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 12:16 PM
World Travel Award votes Piarco International Caribbean’s Leading Airport
10/12/2006
Piarco International Airport has been voted the Caribbean’s Leading Airport for customer satisfaction and operational efficiency at the prestigious World Travel Awards (WTA), which was recently held in the Turks and Caicos.This decision was based on the results of an industry wide travel and tourism poll carried out by the WTA over a five month period this year, from May to September.
A total of 165,000 travel agencies and professionals in over 140 countries worldwide were asked to vote for their leading travel destinations, airports, airlines, hotels and companies. Nominations were submitted online and judging was based on the following criteria; customer service, technology, operational efficiency, product offering and style.
http://www.tntairports.com/aat_press101206_2.html
OH SHOOT…DO THEY REALLY MEAN PIARCO…NAH MAN…I THINK THEY MEAN GAIA…WHA AFTERALL…TRINIDAD IS NOT A TOURIST COUNTRY…DEM GOTTA MEAN GAIA MAN…
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 12:20 PM
OH )#*&@_@%*…DEM AINT MEAN JAMAICA…I TINK DEM MEAN BARBADOS MAN….BARBADOS IS DE BEST MAN…WE DOES GET MORE TOURISSES DAN JAMAICA…DEM STATISTICS WRONG MAN…
http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20071105/business/business1.html
Tourist arrivals to Jamaica jump in October – Canadian stopovers rise 45%
published: Monday | November 5, 2007
Devon Evans, Gleaner Writer
OCHO RIOS, St. Ann:
Tourism Minister Edmund Bartlett has expressed confidence that Jamaica will surpass last year’s record 1.7 million tourist stopover arrivals in the wake of news that October’s figures showed a nine per cent jump.
And if last month’s statistics were something to shout about, word that the first 10 months of this year have already seen a 45 per cent increase in stopover arrivals from Canada couldn’t have come at a better time.
He said gains made in the Canadian market have enabled the country to eclipse Europe as the second most productive market in the tourist sector for Jamaica.
Last year, Jamaica received 153,000 visitors from Canada. Figures from January to June of this year show a total of 107,000 stopovers from Canada. Bartlett said Jamaica will target 200,000 Canadian visitors next year.
The Tourism Minister was guest speaker at the 14th annual Canadian Travel Industry Golf Tournament Awards Banquet at Sandals Grande Ocho Rios in St. Ann on Saturday night.
The tournament is sponsored annually by the Baxter Travel Group of Canada in association with Sandals Resorts.
Envy of the caribbean
Bartlett pointed out that the 45 per cent increase in visitor arrivals from Canada has placed Jamaica in an enviable position among its Caribbean neighbours, whose growth rates are usually flat during this period.
He praised the Jamaica Tourist Board representatives in Canada, led by regional director Sandra Scott, for a job well done.
The minister also lauded founder and head of the Baxter Travel Group, Edith Baxter, for her pioneering role in promoting Jamaica as a golfing destination.
“We want to nurture and keep that relationship going for as long as we can,” he added.
Bartlett announced that the Government intends to strengthen the country’s capacity as a golfing destination. He said the ministry has already begun working with the professional golf associations and providers in the business in an effort to attract more top-class golfers to the island.
Wishing in Vain // July 3, 2008 at 12:20 PM
For someone as hurt and as bitter as you obviously are about the progress Barbados has made since independence I have to sympathize with you.
Barbados by your rants and your raves may I suggest to you that maybe you should take leave of Barbados and head off to Zimbabwe where you may feel more at home.
If we were to attempt to take you seriously, just guess that we would be past number one postion in holiday destinations if all the ills you are trying to create were resolved, for us to be so highly respected and desired in the world tourism product puts lie to your stupid nonsense.
We have a beautiful island ( that you are unable to appreciate for whatever reason ) that has done outstandingly well as a tourist destination with no help from you or your last Gov’t, if despite his best efforts to drag the product into the doldrums and it survived his onslaught and continues to excel something must be going right despite your negative outlook.
Remember we as Barbadians need to love and take care of our country not tear it down for simplistic reasons as you are.
This is all of our home land, I have nowhere to run or to move to, I want it to be the best that it can be and we all need to play our part to make this happen, not to be destructive and dishonest as you have been in your comments, they have no place in this building up exercise.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 12:23 PM
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bd.html
Bermuda enjoys the third highest per capita income in the world, more than 50% higher than that of the US. Its economy is primarily based on providing financial services for international business and luxury facilities for tourists.
DE CIA TELLING LIES PON DEM WEBSITE MAN…DEM AINT MEAN BERMUDA…DEM MEAN BARBADOS…MAN BARBADOS IS DE BEST IN DE WORLD…MAN WE GOT DE HIGHEST PCI IN DE CARIBBEAN MAN…I TINK DEM MEAN BARBADOS NOT BERMUDA…DAH GOTTA BE A MISTAKE MAN!
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Why should I head off to Zimbabwe…Haiti and Guyana are next door man…we keep comparing ourselves to the worst of the lot to make us feel better…
Let’s compare Barbados to Singapore, Caymans, Bahamas, Bermuda…you dont have to go too far muh brudda…
But I dont understand wha’s de problem Wishing In Vain…
I just told you that you won…I agree wholeheartedly with everything you say man…
TWO THUMBS UP…VIVE LA BARBADE…
No more pulling down…only TRUTH…BARBADOS IS GREATTTTTTTTTTTTT….
Wishing in Vain // July 3, 2008 at 12:30 PM
World Travel Award votes Piarco International Caribbean’s Leading Airport
10/12/2006
Get real man you will go to an extreme to make an idiot of your self, I seem to recall GAIA was under a rebuild at this time.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM
I aint know bout you…but I goin lunch man…I goin by KFC or Chefette in Warrens for a quick bite…de service over there is world class man…I should be in and out in five mins…
Lata!
Wishing in Vain // July 3, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Are you the same Ian Walcott that ran the website for the BLP if so may I suggest your time maybe better spent tearing the good name of Barbados down on your own site.
You are way off the mark in your comments here and Barbados does indeed have a VERY DESIREABLE reputation as the leading tourist destination in the world, as much as you would like to say otherwise and it did not get there by not being good with the facilities or the service nor the hotels, it is where it is at because it was tried tested and proven to at the top end of the world standards one of the few things that we can truly state that we are world class in.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Oh shoot…de GAIA airport was ready by World Cup 2007 right…these are de 2007 results…
http://www.worldairportawards.com/Awards_2007/Regional.htm
Ooops…where is Barbados on de list man…Barbados got de best airport in de whole Caribbean man…
Singapore Changi Airport wins Best Duty Free category – Seoul Incheon named winner of Best Airport Terminal cleanliness and Best Transit Airport awards – Hong Kong is Best for Airport Dining and also wins the award for Best Security Processing
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 12:48 PM
“Barbados does indeed have a VERY DESIREABLE reputation as the leading tourist destination in the world, as much as you would like to say otherwise and it did not get there by not being good with the facilities or the service nor the hotels, it is where it is at because it was tried tested and proven to at the top end of the world standards one of the few things that we can truly state that we are world class in.”
I AGREE WITH YOU 100% BUDDY…NO ONE CAN EVER FAULT THAT…
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 12:52 PM
TRAVEL ADVISORY; Barbados Acts To Stem Crime
In response to a notice issued by the State Department alerting prospective visitors to recent increases in crime on Barbados, the Barbados Government has announced stepped-up security efforts. The measures include cancellation of all leaves for police officers, longer hours for the police and intensified patrols in the capital of Bridgetown and other tourist areas (the west coast beaches and the Flower Forest in the north-central part of the island among them), some including members of the military.
Until recent months, the island has had little history of crime directed against tourists, the State Department notice says, but incidents of purse snatching, pickpocketing, sexual assault and armed robbery, have been reported, particularly in Bridgetown, sometimes in crowded areas and in daylight.
According to a spokesman for the Barbados Board of Tourism, there were 61 crimes in Barbados involving Americans, mostly thefts, from Jan. 1 to April 21; the notice was issued April 22.
The State Department suggests the following precautions: leaving cash and valuables in a hotel or ship safe, not carrying a purse while walking and being wary when driving, especially in isolated parts of the island and exercising caution when walking on the beach or at tourist attractions.
For information on current conditions or to report problems, travelers are advised to contact the United States Embassy’s consular department there in Cheapside, telephone 431-0225; outside working hours, on weekend and holidays, the number is 436-4950.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 12:55 PM
https://www.osac.gov/Reports/report.cfm?contentID=80090
Warden Message: Barbados Crime Increase
Consular Affairs Bulletins
Americas – Barbados
21 Feb 2008
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Barbados and Eastern Caribbean 2008 Crime & Safety Report
U.S. Embassy Bridgetown issued the following Warden Message on February 21:
U.S. citizens visiting or living in Barbados should be aware that on January 16 and again on January 30 groups of tourists on guided tours of the island were the victims of highly unusual robberies or attempted robberies at gunpoint. In the second incident, shots were fired by the assailants, although there were no reported injuries. Barbados police believe they have identified and are actively seeking at least some of the perpetrators of the two crimes, but to date no arrests have been made.
Most Americans who visit Barbados enjoy trouble-free visits to the island. However, U.S. citizens who are the victims of crimes in Barbados are encouraged to contact the Consular Section of the U.S. Embassy, which is located in the Wildey Business Park, Wildey, St. Michael. The telephone number for the Consular Section is (246) 431-0225. The fax number is (246) 431-0179, and the general e-mail address for consular matters is consularbridge2@state.gov. After hours, a duty officer can be reached by dialing the Embassy switchboard at (246) 436-4950.
Americans living or traveling in Barbados are encouraged to register with the U.S. Embassy or Consulate through the State Department’s travel registration website, and to review regularly updated Country Specific Information on travel and security within Barbados. Americans without Internet access may register directly with the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate. By registering, American citizens make it easier for the Embassy or Consulate to contact them in case of emergency. The website for Embassy Bridgetown is http://bridgetown.usembassy.gov/ .
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 12:56 PM
https://www.osac.gov/Reports/report.cfm?contentID=80090
Barbados Crime Increase
U.S. Embassy Bridgetown issued the following Warden Message on February 21:
U.S. citizens visiting or living in Barbados should be aware that on January 16 and again on January 30 groups of tourists on guided tours of the island were the victims of highly unusual robberies or attempted robberies at gunpoint. In the second incident, shots were fired by the assailants, although there were no reported injuries. Barbados police believe they have identified and are actively seeking at least some of the perpetrators of the two crimes, but to date no arrests have been made.
Most Americans who visit Barbados enjoy trouble-free visits to the island. However, U.S. citizens who are the victims of crimes in Barbados are encouraged to contact the Consular Section of the U.S. Embassy, which is located in the Wildey Business Park, Wildey, St. Michael. The telephone number for the Consular Section is (246) 431-0225. The fax number is (246) 431-0179, and the general e-mail address for consular matters is consularbridge2@state.gov. After hours, a duty officer can be reached by dialing the Embassy switchboard at (246) 436-4950.
Americans living or traveling in Barbados are encouraged to register with the U.S. Embassy or Consulate through the State Department’s travel registration website, and to review regularly updated Country Specific Information on travel and security within Barbados. Americans without Internet access may register directly with the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate. By registering, American citizens make it easier for the Embassy or Consulate to contact them in case of emergency. The website for Embassy Bridgetown is http://bridgetown.usembassy.gov/ .
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Just Back from Barbados: I Definitely Won’t Return
Barbados was the 10th Caribbean island I have visited and, after doing so, I have to wonder if those who rave about it and return over and over have been to any of the others?
I didn’t see anything special about this island that would warrant flying all that extra distance. There are simply too many other islands a lot closer to home that are prettier, have better snorkeling and give more value for the $ — oh, and they dont include being harrassed on your hotel beach daily.
Hotel
We stayed at Bouganvillea. I would never stay here again. This is a 2 star property charging 4 star prices. When we arrived, our room (1 bedroom deluxe) was not ready and none of our requests (high floor, ocean view and 2 beds) were honored. The guy checking us in grinned mockingly when telling us we’d only have one bed.
We had ants in the kitchen and living room; a few times I noticed one on my plate or glass; the door handle in the bathroom was barely hanging on; you had to slam doors to close them securely; doors creaked like in an old house; furnishings mediocre; and worst of all the staff (other than the maids) acted like it was a huge imposition when asked for the smallest thing, including cashing travelers checks. They also hoard the towels like they are gold nuggets.
The watersports guys were lazy – I never got an umbrella one day I asked for one and when I asked him to bring us 3 chairs, even though we were still well within the hotel beach, we were told it was ‘too far’ and we’d have to carry them back ourselves. THe service and value for the $ was simply very poor here compared to similar properties I’ve stayed at.
Worst of all though was the CONSTANT HARASSMENT on the hotel beach not only by people selling things but also by guys who were simply trolling. They were rude, vulgar and hard to get rid of. I was told to ‘f off’ and to ‘get an f’ing life’ when I told them to leave us alone. Any single woman who was reasonably attractive was fair game. The hotel manager said many girls go off with them so they’ve come to expect you to say yes. Hotel security just stood there looking at these guys for the longest time before finally running them off but they were back again the next day.
ONe man was clearly drunk and was grabbing people by the arm on the beach trying to get $ for drawing their picture. When I told him to go away or I’d call security, he said ‘I am security’. He was even bothering women who were walking with their husbands! If I wanted to put up with this BS I’d go back to Jamaica. The hotel’s attitude is ‘it’s a public beach, we can’t do anything’. nice
Beaches
Other than the harrassment our beach was fine but nothing spectacular. It’s long and the water is not totally flat. Still I have to laugh when people call this rough. It’s wavy. There are swells. There were 1-2 foot waves breaking on shore but you could get over them. Still if you want typical calm caribbean sea you’ll be disappointed.
The only other beach I visited was Gibbs/Mullins. If this is one of their best beaches I feel bad for them. The water was definitely calmer but had a greenish tinge – not the typical caribbean blue. THe beach was crowded w/ people renting chairs/umbrellas and the vendors were out here too though we weren’t sexually harassed. Beaches on other islands put this to shame.
I asked one of the crew on the Tiami to recommend a good west coast beach and he said ‘I hate the west coast. you cant enjoy your swim bc of the jet skis and busy sports stuff’. Bingo. The problem is the west coast is all this island has. The north and east arent swimmable and the south coast reminded me of the east coast of the US on a calm day.
Snorkeling I had read Gibbs/Mullins had good snorkeling but it’s just rocks w. some fish. A local also told us that Folkstone off the beach is a waste of your time; the only good part of Folkstone is the part accessible by boat only. Still I wouldn’t know because….
Tiami
It rained every day we were there but one. Hence, we did the Tiami in the rain. However they didn’t use the Tiami boat (which holds 100 people). Several times a week they use the smaller Spirit. Dont waste your money! This boat was way too small for the 32 people they packed on it and they let people smoke all over the boat. My options were to sit outside in the cold rain or inside w/ no view (the covered part of the boat isn’t level with the rest so you cant see anything) and breathe smoke.
Bc of the rain they went to Carlyle bay instead of folkstone. So I got a lovely view of smokestacks, cranes and other industrial type equipment on shore for most of the trip. The turtles was fun but there were 30 people competing for THREE turtles. Carlyle shipwrecks are interesting but I would have preferred a reef.
THe food was mediocre and my friend threw up right after the trip and I developed diarrhea and cramping so you tell me. If I had to do it over I’d go with Small Cats bc they only let 12 people go out on each trip. This is a cattle boat mainly for people who want to drink and smoke – in fact several of them never left the boat. I cant believe I blew $70 on this floating bar.
We had scheduled snuba for the next day but they also go to carlyle bay so we cancelled – why bother returning to what we’d already paid to see.
Island Safari
Yep did this in the rain too. BIG mistake. Despite having the plastic flaps down (which made it hard to see) mud was flying into the jeep. It wouldnt come out of my clothes. We were all COVERED in it. When we got out for pictures at hackleton’s cliff, mud/clay from hell stuck to our shoes over an inch thick. It wouldnt scrape off. I finally had to go into the ocean at the bathsheba stop to wash it off. No one on our trip looked happy.
Dont do this if you have neck or back problems. I DONT have neck or back problems and was sore all the next day. I have been less jossled on roller coasters. I came completely up out of my seat despite my seat belt and one man’s seat belt broke, and he missed hitting his head on the roll bar by inches. Our driver was deliberately trying to make it as scary and bumpy as possible, careening left and right like he was on a stunt obstacle course. Not fun when you’d rather just see the scenery and take a picture.
Lunch was pretty good but was served at a hole in the wall outdoor picnic-y type place overlooking a nothing-special beach. Though I saw things I couldnt have seen in a cab (I assume) I cant whole heartedly recommend this. Aside from the bumping, at 6 hours its too long. The 35 minute ride through rush hr traffic on the highway back to our hotel breathing diesel fumes was awful.
Dining
We at at the hotel restaurant once bc we were exhausted and hadn’t gotten groceries yet. Food was pretty good but grossly overpriced. Bellini’s at the Gap was nice. My pizza was no better than frozen ones I’ve had but reasonable prices and pretty view over the water.
Lastly, at the airport when we were leaving, a woman asked us to complete a tourism survey and several of the questions asked if we were harassed and they had categories – sexually, verbally, etc. This says to me that this is a common problem. In any event I wont be returning to ‘Jamaica light’.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 1:02 PM
http://www.frommers.com/cgi-bin/WebX?128@@.eeca916
” We were only there for a cruise stop, but I agree thoroughly about the hostile, abusive, and harassing locals. We almost got back on the boat because all the cabs wanted over a hundred dollars to take us around the island. We just wanted to go to the Mount Gay rum distillery which was almost in walking distance. After a complaint to the tourist office, an employee of that office assisted us in getting a cab. The driver still tried to sell us on the tour, but he gave up fairly easily. The Mount Gay tour was very nice, but we were really glad to get back on the boat. I would never choose Barbados as a destination. “
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 1:04 PM
http://www.nationnews.com/story/291934621539297.php
Health officers sound warning
Published on: 6/16/08.
THERE IS CONCERN growing across the island about the care of the environment.
Retired environmental health officer Ambrose Francis is afraid that the amount of garbage surfacing on the island might eventually cause harmful diseases.
Francis, who workedfor 33 years in the field, is of the opinion that Barbadians might not have a tomorrow if they continue to dump garbage callously around the island.
He was speaking after a service at the St Patrick’s Roman Catholic Church, Jemmotts Lane, St Michael, to mark the launch of the newly formed Barbados Association of Retired Environmental Health Officers.
He said: “We had malaria in Barbados already and if we are not careful, it can come back. Yellow fever, as well as the other illnesses caused by mosquitoes are harmful, but can be avoided if we keep the island clean.”
Secretary of the association, Andrew Jordan, who is still an environmental officer said his concern was the lack of respect that the general public showed to the health officers.
“Years ago, home owners would make a special effort to keep their surroundings clean when an officer was inspecting. Legislation needs to be reinforced so that people will understand the importance of this effort and pay closer attention to warnings from the department,” he said.
Jordan also spoke about the organisation and said its main purpose was to keep 90 retired officers in close contact with each other. He however pointed out that although retired, care of the environment was still very high on their agenda.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM
http://www.nationnews.com/story/291685840051903.php
EDITOR’S DIARY: ‘Clean’ Bajans say I lie
BY ROY MORRIS
IT APPEARS that my criticism of the fact that the country is becoming increasingly nasty, and that since it is being made so by Barbadians we must be becoming increasingly nasty, has offended some clean Bajans.
I had the misfortune of being in the dentist’s chair last Thursday when a contributor to Voice Of Barbados’ Brass Tacks programme reportedly took me to task, and so I did not hear him.
I am not above criticism,
but after castigating me,
tell me who is responsible for
all the old fridges, stoves, washing machines, computers, mattresses
and shipping barrels littering our
cart roads and gullies. But just in
case you never leave the beaten path, tell me who is responsible for
all those fast food boxes and cups,
soft drink and beer bottles, and all other kinds of disposable items that litter our streets.
If you still have doubts, drive along the Ronald Mapp Highway after one of the Ministry of Public Works’ tractors has cut the brush from
the shoulders.
It is a most disgusting picture –
so much so that I often wonder if the tall bush does not present a less distressing view.
But that’s just me: Read what some other Barbadians wrote after I published my views last Tuesday
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 1:26 PM
DAVID OR LOVERIDGE CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL WISHING IN VAIN HOW MUCH THE EFFORTS OF THE BTA ARE UNDERMINED WHEN THE TOURIST FINALLY ARRIVES BARBADOS?
You have Petra doing a phenomenal job in London, the Canadian office, the New York Office…everyone in the Harbor Road…but unfortunately…there’s so much beyond their control that their efforts are wasted…
Yes we have a reputation as a top Caribbean destination…but we’re getting a lot of bad press that everyone keeps ignoring…
We have to stop ignoring the bad press and pretending that it does not exist…
Wishing in Vain is the typical Bajan who refuses to admit that our industry is in serious trouble…
Wishing in Vain // July 3, 2008 at 2:08 PM
Yep thats right you would be much happier at home in Zimbabwe.
I would expect that if you search far enough and often enough you would find a complaint about some aspect of tourism but to suggest as you are suggesting that there is no good in the Barbados Hotel and Tourism product you are a complete idiot, simple as that.
As I said before where we have reached and what we have seen of our tourism product many around the world would love to have reached where we are at this stage of our development and it sad that you as a Barbadian fail to accept that and to try to help build the product up even more but instead you opt to destroy the one truly world class thing that is ours.
You are a very simple person with no love or caring for this island and quite honestly you would do better in somewhere like Zimbabwe where you will find hell catching your tail after a stint there then lets talk about life in this treasure of an island, it sickens me when ones like you go out of your way to destroy the fabric of this society with your nonsense.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 3:15 PM
Wait! Wha i dont understand you…I agree wid everyting you say…
And furthermore…I dont need to go to Zimbabwe to suffer…all I need to do is go to the supermarket…living under de present government and the bunch of jokers dem got as ministers (some of dem aint even pass O’level Maths and one walking bout telling people dat he gotta a doctorate) is just as bad as living in Zimbabwe…
Dont start me…cuz I went school wid some o dem…so dont start me…
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 3:30 PM
“I would expect that if you search far enough and often enough you would find a complaint about some aspect of tourism but to suggest as you are suggesting that there is no good in the Barbados Hotel and Tourism product you are a complete idiot, simple as that.”
De idiot is de Minister dat telling people he gotta doctorate…tell he to send a copy to the press and leh dem publish it…or go to http://www.degreeverify.org and see if he gotta doctorate…
De idiot is de Senator dat produced pissy consulting reports dat she clients tek and throw in de garbage…de consultant dat cant do a proper expense report but now running a Ministry…
De idiot is de clumsy Minister dat everybody does be laffing at behind he back at de UN and how scruffy he look and de green verbs he does use…
De idiot is Minister dat aint got no social graces and cant use a damn knife and fork and talking wid food in he mouth…and representing Barbados overseas…
De idiot is de Minister dat went and sit down in de wrong seat in first class and get ruff up by a white man in front o everybody…
DEM IS DE IDIOTS…
Wishing in Vain // July 3, 2008 at 3:46 PM
Ah we all now know why and where your anger is set, as I asked very early on you could no longer hide your political anger and hate.
I rest my case you are an unfortunate excuse of a blp person suffering for the shock of defeat, get used to it my friend you have done your share of damage it is now in repair mode.
You could not live thru and hide your anger, masked in your load of nonsense.
Get used to it and get on board and learn to love the island as your home and any sensible responsible person would advise you to STOP trying to decry our home, you and your lot lack the moral fabric from which this nation was built.
READ THIS A 100 TIMES AND KEEP REPEATING TO YOURSELF I LOVE BARBADOS I LOVE BARBADOS IT IS THE NUMBER ONE TOURIST DESTINATION.
Your knickers are showing my friend your misspent political mouthings are clearly there for all to see, sad, sad, sad.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 3:57 PM
Hahahahahahaha…
Oh by the way…I learnt to cuss from Cammie Tudor and Errol Barrow…
Go down Roebuck Street or George Street and see if you see my name pon any political party list…YOU WILL NEVER EVER SEE MY NAME…
I am free to criticize bee, dee or en…and I stand by MY OPNION that the Barbados tourism product is HORRIBLE…
I will refrain from using those BAAAAAAAD words…less I offend you…
Dispute the facts, lets talk…enjoy the stench and the dirtiness of your fantasy island my friend…I’ll do my part not to litter and keep my surroundings clean…
Tell de minister to show de public de doctorate…
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 4:17 PM
“Worst Vacation Ever”
Amaryllis Beach Resort
“6/14 found this review helpful
I was reluctant to stay here after reading several reviews, but thought I’d try it anyway since I really like Barbados and found it hard to believe. Upon our arrival, the front desk area is small and the personnel appear to be polite and concerned but are not. They did not have our request for a handicap room on file and we had to wait for them to research it, then go look at the room. (45 min) I was travelling with two Aunt’s and a cousin so we wanted to be near each other. We were there for 8 days. On day 2 we could not get clean towels after several calls to the front desk. We didn’t have clean towels for 2 more days. On day 4 I was robbed, apparently this is nothing unusual for this hotel, but for me it was my first. The hotel manager, Mark Carberry was very polite but did not care. I filed a report with the police department and they were also uncooperative. To gain entry in any room you need a card, so they have a way to tell who was in your room, that report, which I never actually saw, took 4 days to get (the night before i left), and showed two other people had entered the room, I was never given a name or anything. I never received a copy of my police report. The Hotel food is just okay. Breakfast was awful, but free. Nothing near the hotel. Nothing to do on the grounds other than eat and beach. The staff I would give 7. Meaning out of 10 people only 3 were worth the paycheck Amaryllis gave them and no one cares. The Front Desk staff is a joke, the Activities Desk is joke. TRUST ME DO NOT STAY HERE!!! Your trip will be ruined and you will be robbed. Two other guests, that I know, were also robbed during time I was there.”
Tell me Why // July 3, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Ian Walcott.
I understand part of your concerns regarding our Tourist product, but I must also be concern with the extreme negatives that you are trying to highlight. These statements will not do justice in our pursuit to bring visitors to our island. I must also state that our country was insulted prior to the general elections by partisan supporters who found it difficult to speak anything positive about our leaders and the country. WIV knows quite well who I am speaking about. So my advice to you…..reduce your anger and refrain from the negative articles you are cutting and pasting. Counteract them with the many positives that we have achieved. We will soon need some soothing words to get us through these difficult times. Peace.
FORMERLY A BLP SUPORTER BUT WAS NOT THROWN OUT LIKE IAN WALCOTT // July 3, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Is this the same Ian Walcott that was at the NCF and did so much underhand stuff that Ian Estwick, the NCF and finally the BLP kicked you ass out??
If it is then you are one sick minded person, to get on this site and carry on as you have been, you should be banned.
FORMERLY A BLP SUPORTER BUT WAS NOT THROWN OUT LIKE IAN WALCOTT // July 3, 2008 at 4:23 PM
ONE BITTER PERSON THIS IAN WALCOTT, WHY MIA BIT YOU TO??
Tell me Why // July 3, 2008 at 4:24 PM
Now to you WIV
You could be the reason for the difficult path that the present government is travelling. By your reckless mouthing as though you are lick mout WIV. You continue to uproot positive actions and creating negatives to embarrass the last administration, but while doing so, you are aligning ministers to problems before the hierarchy in government can addressed them. Only thing I can say that you are too close to the administration and you simply forget or don’t know about protocol. Lord hell this country with people of your ilk.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Peddlers and Bandits Ruined Our Barbados Vacation
Victoria Jackson
“I wanted to share my holiday to Barbados to alert others to be somewhat careful when traveling there. Though I have traveled there twice previously, I have never encountered that of my last and most recent trip.
Of course me and family assumed it would be as wonderful as in previous times but it was not to be. We traveled on a great deal through an advertised “best of Barbados”. Our bad luck started when we arrived and the taxi driver who took us to our hotel charged us 4 times the amount the ride should cost. (Yes, we should have known from previous experiences, but they do not have meters in their cars and basically tell you what you should pay.) After a long flight we just wanted to get to our hotels and start our vacation so this was not so bad. Soon, we realized that going on the beach became an invite to be “harassed” by locals the entire time! If it wasn’t drug dealers trying to sell to us it was beach vendors peddling their wares in the most aggressive manner, which might not be so bad if they took no for an answer–but they didn’t and instead threatened us and swore profanities right in front of our children! They replied that “we were rich tourists and could afford to buy their wares.” When, in fact, it is so bloody expensive to purchase food and everything else in Barbados, both at restaurants and in the supermarkets that we truly couldn’t afford to buy many souvenirs. We remained as pleasant as we could throughout mainly because it was very scary and intimidating. We decided we wouldn’t go back to the beach after the first two days of this–the children were already afraid of the beach! Can you imagine? We then layed out by the hotel pool instead, but the hassling remained on the street and from taxi drivers and other locals not only aggressively begging for money or being rude when you ask simply for directions, but in general seemed to be “targeting” tourists.
We had rented a car to drive out in the “country” roads to get to a few attractions. On either side of the roads sugar cane grows making it hard to navigate. As it turns out hoodlums wait for you in these cane fields to jump out in the road in the hopes you will stop, and if you stop, more people jump out of the fields and they take everything you have at gunpoint. I know because this happened to us. We did not know any of this existed nor were we ever alerted when we entered Barbados that this happens to tourists until it happended to us. We realized that authorities know of these ambushes. No one bothers to tell you to watch out for these ploys by the locals to rob you. Anyway, as you can tell our vacation there was a fear trap, and we will never return! Our family has been to many Caribbean islands and have never encountered anything like this in any other island. Barbados is truly unique. We will never go there again and hope to let other persons thinking of traveling there to watch out for these situations as a very normal seeming moment can quickly change as the locals gauge you to see what type of person you are and then make their move.
Be careful in Barbados. ”
Victoria Jackson
Canada
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Jeff Henderson
“I echo Victoria’s feelings. We went to Barbados while on a cruise a couple of years back. We opted to do our own tour via a Taxi. We told the Taxi driver where we wanted to go and how much time we would be there. We all agreed to the price. When he returned us to the pier, he doubled the price!! We paid him what we all originally agreed and we left. He chased and yelled obscenities at us all the way back to the cruise ship. I will never return to Barbados and their thieving people. “
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 4:29 PM
C. Banares
“Thank you, Victoria and Jeff for the warning. Barbados is off my list. There are so many other islands worth seeing and enjoying, I would not waste time there. “
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 4:33 PM
THE TRUTH HURTS, DOESNT IT?
Take your heads out of the sand…
FORMERLY A BLP SUPORTER BUT WAS NOT THROWN OUT LIKE IAN WALCOTT // July 3, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Tell us what you did at the NCF to get yourself thrown out in the streets?
It would be refreshing to hear it from the horses mouth.
I love Barbados do you love Barbados?
If you love Barbados wave a white flag.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Hey Tell me Why…
If there were my statements alone then I wouldnt be worried…because you’d be able to safely send me down Jenkins…
Unfortunately, there are thousands of people leaving Barbados with bad experiences every year…and the word is spreading…
I dont have to say a single negative word anymore…
There’s more than enough out there in this Internet age…
1. The stats have shown that our repeat visitor arrivals are on a serious downward trend. Why?
2. If customer service was so great why would we have to invest in a program like NISE? Because THERE IS A PROBLEM…
So I wont say anything else negative…because in true Bajan style we CANT handle the truth…
I’ll leave it as it is…all honkie dorie and wonderful…
Wha I dont understand…I hey talking bout issues in tourism, next ting ya hear all dese attacks bout I bitter, I is a BLP supporter, I get my ass kick out o NCF (big joke)…
It aint bout me…
DEAL WID DE SO-AND-SO ISSUES…
Dispute whatever I’ve said…dispute the facts…
So far no one has disputed the facts…
1. No one has said that Barbados is CLEAN
2. No one has said that we have good service…just good, not excellent…come and say that we have good service…
3. No one has disputed that during high season we are doing 80% occupancy at best…
4. No one has disputed that we’ve lost room stock.
5. No one has disputed that we only have ONE brand name hotel.
6. No one has disputed that we’re overpriced.
7. No one has disputed that the Long Beach and East Coast are filled with litter…
8. No one has disputed that the highway has litter.
9. No one has disputed that there’s litter in front de QEH…
Dispute de facts and leave me outta it…
Bitter what…? Angry what? What is there to be bitter and angry about? Leave me outta it…and speak to the issues…
J // July 3, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Ian whenever I go on holiday I also check the various sites to see what other travelers have to say. But I look at many reviews and I am mindful to take both the good ones and bad ones with a pinch of salt. If you looked on the net for reviews of any place which receives a lot of visitors you will find negative reviews for EVERY tourist destination in the world. Now Barbados is not perfect and there is room for improvement, but to hunt for and publish only the negative reviews is not balanced nor even handed reporting. And every country from which Barbados receives tourists does provide information on their websites to visitors who wish to visit Barbados. The U.K does Canada does, the U.S. etc. Sensible people read these official reviews as well as the informal ones in order to make sensible travel decisions.
FORMERLY A BLP SUPORTER BUT WAS NOT THROWN OUT LIKE IAN WALCOTT // July 3, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Is this the same Ian Walcott that was imprisoned in the USA for FRAUD?
Do you remember this case below?
VIATICAL FRAUD INDICTMENT RETURNED
CONTACT: Nina Banister
(850) 413-2842
Len Register, Managing Assistant U.S. Attorney
(850) 554-5995
PENSACOLA-Florida’s Chief Financial Officer Tom Gallagher and Gregory R. Miller, United States Attorney for the Northern District of Florida, announced the unsealing of a federal indictment against eight individuals in connection with their activities with LifeTime Capital, Inc., a viatical company that once operated out of Dayton, Ohio, and South Florida, and other related companies. Indicted were David W. Svete, Douglas A. Kordel, Roger W. Lange, Kathleen Lafrance, Ron Girardot, Ian Walcott, Anderson Marshall, and Charme Austin.
The indictment, which was returned by the federal grand jury in Pensacola on January 21, 2004, alleges a large-scale money laundering conspiracy in violation of 18 U.S.C. §371 and §1956, as well as 23 other substantive violations of mail fraud and interstate transportation of money obtained by fraud. The indictment was the result of a long-term investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Florida Department of Financial Services’ Division of Insurance Fraud, and the Florida Office of Financial Regulation’s Division of Investigations.
“Viatical fraud poses a serious financial risk for both consumers and investors, many of whom are senior citizens who invest their life savings in these policies,” said Gallagher, who oversees the Department of Financial Services.
Viatical settlement contracts are written agreements between a viatical settlement provider and the insured or owner of a life insurance contract. The insured or beneficiary under the contract is known as the “viator.” The viatical service provider, in effect, purchases the right to obtain the proceeds of a life insurance contract from the insured or owner prior to the death of the insured. When the insured dies, the proceeds from the insurance contract then go to the holder of the viatical contract, who then distributes the funds to the investors according to the terms of the agreement.
As set out in the indictment, the object of the conspiracies charged in the Northern District of Florida was to fraudulently obtain money from investors by representing that the viatical contracts were on terminally ill patients and that the investors could not lose. The indictment further alleges that the charged individuals arranged to launder the fraudulently obtained funds by removing the funds to overseas locations to conceal and disguise the nature, location, source, ownership, and control of these funds.
A trial is scheduled for March 22, 2004. All defendants are presumed innocent unless and until their guilt is established by the government beyond every reasonable doubt.
The Department of Financial Services, Division of Insurance Fraud, investigates various forms of fraud in insurance, including health, life, auto, property and workers’ compensation insurance. Anyone with information about this case or another possible fraud scheme should call the department’s Fraud Hotline at 1-800-378-0445. A reward of up to $25,000 may be offered for information leading to an arrest and conviction.
Reports are that you are one of Mottleys girls and she saw after getting you out of prison.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 4:51 PM
“Tell us what you did at the NCF to get yourself thrown out in the streets?
It would be refreshing to hear it from the horses mouth.”
TELL ME CUZ I DUNNO…ASK WAYNE WEBSTER TO PUT MY FILE ON BARBADOS UNDERGROUND OR IN DE NATION…
YOU CAN REACH HIM AT 424 0909…AND GET YOUR ANSWER…CUZ U COULD ONLY BE A *$%#$).
I hey talking bout a serious problem wid de tourist industry and you asking nonsense bout de NCF…call de NCF…
I love Barbados do you love Barbados?
I ADORE BARBADOS…BUT I’M ALSO HONEST…I’M NOT GOING TO PRETEND THAT ALL IS WELL…IT’S LIKE HAVING A SON OR DAUGHTER WHO’S A DRUG ADDICT AND BECAUSE YOU LOVE HIM OR HER SO DEARLY…YOU REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE OR SHE IS ON DRUGS…IT’S THE SAME THING…
If you love Barbados wave a white flag.
I WILL WAVE 1000 WHITE FLAGS…IT’S BECAUSE I LOVE IT SOOOOOOOOO DEARLY THAT I WANT TO SEE IT IMPROVE…AND THE FIRST STEP IS TO ACCEPT THAT ALL IS NOT WELL…TO DO OTHER WISE IS TO BE IN DENIAL….
FORMERLY A BLP SUPORTER BUT WAS NOT THROWN OUT LIKE IAN WALCOTT // July 3, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Ian Walcott your are a fraud and should be in prison for your crimes.
J // July 3, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Dear Ian:
I dispute that we are overpriced.
Paid $200 CDN per night for a hotel at Don Mills and York Mills (hicksville) last year.
No breakfast.
Nice enough room, but nothing special.
Breakfast started at $17.50 CDN.
I did not even comtemplate eating dinner in the hotel.
J // July 3, 2008 at 4:56 PM
But Ian I too would love to hear why you and the NCF separated.
Tell we nuh!!!!!!!!!
Please, please nuh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Is this the same Ian Walcott that was imprisoned in the USA for FRAUD?
Do you remember this case below?
VIATICAL FRAUD INDICTMENT RETURNED
CONTACT: Nina Banister
(850) 413-2842
Len Register, Managing Assistant U.S. Attorney
(850) 554-5995
PENSACOLA-Florida’s Chief Financial Officer Tom Gallagher and Gregory R. Miller, United States Attorney for the Northern District of Florida, announced the unsealing of a federal indictment against eight individuals in connection with their activities with LifeTime Capital, Inc., a viatical company that once operated out of Dayton, Ohio, and South Florida, and other related companies. Indicted were David W. Svete, Douglas A. Kordel, Roger W. Lange, Kathleen Lafrance, Ron Girardot, Ian Walcott, Anderson Marshall, and Charme Austin.
The indictment, which was returned by the federal grand jury in Pensacola on January 21, 2004, alleges a large-scale money laundering conspiracy in violation of 18 U.S.C. §371 and §1956, as well as 23 other substantive violations of mail fraud and interstate transportation of money obtained by fraud. The indictment was the result of a long-term investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Florida Department of Financial Services’ Division of Insurance Fraud, and the Florida Office of Financial Regulation’s Division of Investigations.
“Viatical fraud poses a serious financial risk for both consumers and investors, many of whom are senior citizens who invest their life savings in these policies,” said Gallagher, who oversees the Department of Financial Services.
Viatical settlement contracts are written agreements between a viatical settlement provider and the insured or owner of a life insurance contract. The insured or beneficiary under the contract is known as the “viator.” The viatical service provider, in effect, purchases the right to obtain the proceeds of a life insurance contract from the insured or owner prior to the death of the insured. When the insured dies, the proceeds from the insurance contract then go to the holder of the viatical contract, who then distributes the funds to the investors according to the terms of the agreement.
As set out in the indictment, the object of the conspiracies charged in the Northern District of Florida was to fraudulently obtain money from investors by representing that the viatical contracts were on terminally ill patients and that the investors could not lose. The indictment further alleges that the charged individuals arranged to launder the fraudulently obtained funds by removing the funds to overseas locations to conceal and disguise the nature, location, source, ownership, and control of these funds.
A trial is scheduled for March 22, 2004. All defendants are presumed innocent unless and until their guilt is established by the government beyond every reasonable doubt.
The Department of Financial Services, Division of Insurance Fraud, investigates various forms of fraud in insurance, including health, life, auto, property and workers’ compensation insurance. Anyone with information about this case or another possible fraud scheme should call the department’s Fraud Hotline at 1-800-378-0445. A reward of up to $25,000 may be offered for information leading to an arrest and conviction.
YEA THIS IS THE SAME IAN WALCOTT…THE SAME IAN WALCOTT THAT WORKED IN THE OFFSHORE SECTOR AND GOT ARRESTED…THE SAME IAN WALCOTT AGAINST WHOM ALL THE CHARGES WERE DROPPED AND WHO HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF…THE STORY IS A VERY PUBLIC ONE…THAT’S WHY I CAN PUT MY NAME UP ON THIS OR ANY OTHER BLOG WITHOUT FEAR…
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM
“Reports are that you are one of Mottleys girls and she saw after getting you out of prison.”
Dah was funny…I’d give ya ten for dat…
“Ian Walcott your are a fraud and should be in prison for your crimes.”
Dah was also funny…I’d give you an A plus for that…
J // July 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Hey Former BLP supporter. Ian was NOT convicted of anything. So leave the man alone. If you coming on this blog you have to play fair.
FORMERLY A BLP SUPORTER BUT WAS NOT THROWN OUT LIKE IAN WALCOTT // July 3, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Because he is a crook, want it any more straight forward than that?
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Dah’s de same Ian Walcot…all over de Internet…not hiding my friend…
http://www.tropicalfete.com/fusion_news/fullnews.php?id=305
NEWS
BIM – Walcott appointed NCF’s Senior Business
New York – Ian W. Walcott was recently appointed Senior Business Development Officer of the National Cultural Foundation bringing a combination of an artistic background and project management expertise. Ian became interested in the arts and more specifically in theatre at a very early age as a member of Myrna Belgrave’s Children’s Experimental Theatre Workshop that was part of the Yoruba Yard experience in the 1970’s Barbadian cultural renaissance led by Barbadian cultural activist, Elombe Mottley.
By 1981, he had his first lead role at the age of 12 while at the Lodge School, in the children’s production, Playground, which was written and directed by Tony Thompson for CARIFESTA of that year. At the Barbados Community College under the tutelage of Cecily Spencer-Cross, Ian became very active in the arts and stage direction. As a member of Stage One Theatre, he had the privilege to have worked under the direction of the late Earl Warner in most of his stage appearances.
After a break in the early 90s for university studies overseas in Brazil and Japan, where he gained an honors degree in International Relations & Foreign Languages and two Masters in International Political Economy and Business & Management, Ian again returned to his favorite production, Talk Tent in 1999 and made his debut at directing the said show in 2000. His latest work is the direction of his own play From Prague to Prison the Play and a film role in Thom Cross’ award winning, The Final Truth.
Ian was a weekly columnist of the Barbados Advocate publishing a witty article entitled ‘Management: Keep it Real’. His writings now include regular theatre and entertainment reviews for the Nation Newspaper as a member of the International Association of Theatre Critics. His academic articles and publications cover project management, cultural policy and the creative economy. He’s working on his second book, Paradise
Revisited together with a series of comedies including We Girl Talk and Snoring. Ian will also represent the NCF at the upcoming Fourth International Conference on Cultural Policy Research in Vienna, Austria, to present the paper ‘Applying Program Logic to Project Grant Funding: A Case study of Barbados’ Cultural Action Fund’.
FORMERLY A BLP SUPORTER BUT WAS NOT THROWN OUT LIKE IAN WALCOTT // July 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Boy you bold yea!
You defraud people in the USA get away and come here to rob us Bajans shame on you.
How long they lock you up for or I got to research that one to?
Anonymous // July 3, 2008 at 5:09 PM
This one bad, bad
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 5:16 PM
“Hey Former BLP supporter. Ian was NOT convicted of anything. So leave the man alone. If you coming on this blog you have to play fair.”
Hey J… I can defend myself man…
Now to the other part…
“But Ian I too would love to hear why you and the NCF separated. Tell we nuh!!!!!!!!! Please, please nuh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
I’m actually here laffing my ass off…I really dont know how we gone from tourism to talking bout me…but since you asked…lemme go….
I’m sorry to disappoint you that it’s not a juicy and salacious and many would expect…it’s not even political…
Please call de new chairman and verify dis…I cant even remember wha he name…someting Knight or someting so…but after I handed in my resignation because I moved on to do my studies at Cave Hill…in the presence of the former CEO, Ian Estwick…de Knight man asked me if he could convince me to stay…to which I answered “NO”…call de Knight man or Estwick and ask them…so it was not juicy and political…but the timing was quite coincidental because Estwick, Roberts and I left de same day…but fortunately or unfortunately…(however you wanna put it) I didnt get walking papers…
Like I said earlier…call de Manager of Admin, Mr. Wayne Webster and ask he for me file…and let him scan it and send it to Bdos Underground or de Nation….you’d probably see a copy of my contract…de salary was $4000 and sumting a month plus travel…you’d see a copy of my certification, probably one sick leave certificate and a memo that I wrote to the Board last year bout Alissandra Cummins and finally, my resignation letter…
Call he and ask he for a copy…it should be made public…after all NCF is a government corporation…
FORMERLY A BLP SUPORTER BUT WAS NOT THROWN OUT LIKE IAN WALCOTT // July 3, 2008 at 5:16 PM
BARBADOS — More Barbadians could be accused of fraud and money laundering as investigations into an insurance scam in the United States widens.
Justice Department officials are claiming that out of the US$200 million American investors may have lost in the illegal insurance scheme, Barbados was used to launder about US$20 million and so far two Barbadians have been indicted.
The two are Ian Walcott, who is now in custody in Florida and awaiting trial in September, and accountant Anderson Marshall, who remains free here. Both have already been charged along with six Americans.
“You must understand this is an ongoing investigation and depending on the outcome of the trial and what the investigators find, more Barbadians may be indicted,” said a prosecution source who requested anonymity.
What may have prevented federal prosecutors from bringing charges against other Bajans, including one woman, is a lack of strong evidence that they knew fraud and money laundering were occurring and participated in them. If it became clear they were aware of the fraud and participated, then prosecutors would seek indictments.
The charges against Messrs. Marshall and Walcott are based on strong circumstantial evidence, said a source.
According to papers filed in a federal district court in Pensacola, Florida, where the trial is scheduled to begin in September, the illegal scheme was allegedly masterminded and run by five Americans, David W. Svete, Douglas Kordel, Roger W. Lange, Kathleen LaFrance and Ron Girardot. Messrs.Walcott and Marshall, as well as another American, Charme Austin, were not the central figures in the fraud scheme, prosecutors allege.
They are being cast in documents and statements by prosecution officials as minor players who may have facilitated the fraud and the money laundering by using a web of companies they helped to create in order to move money in and out of the United States, Barbados, Nevis, St. Vincent and elsewhere.
Barbados was said to be the hub of the money laundering. Several of the companies were in Barbados and Nevis.
“Unfortunately, Barbados was the central point of the money laundering aspect of this case,” said a source.
The charges arose out of what is being called a “viatical insurance fraud scheme” in which life insurance policyholders sold their policies to viatical firms. The insured received some money upfront before their deaths, while giving the companies the right to receive the full value when they died.
Many investors put up money to buy the policies after being allegedly misled into believing the insured were terminally ill patients and would soon die. But the policy- holders were healthy Americans and didn’t die quickly. It caused the investors to lose their money.
FORMERLY A BLP SUPORTER BUT WAS NOT THROWN OUT LIKE IAN WALCOTT // July 3, 2008 at 5:22 PM
What about your hand being caught in the cookie jar? Come on level with us now or we will do so for you?
Anonymous // July 3, 2008 at 5:23 PM
This is cat piss and pepper, man playing wid people money and working for de government?
A disaster in the making.
Anonymous // July 3, 2008 at 5:25 PM
dis too sweet he get expose on BU whalord
Anonymous // July 3, 2008 at 5:25 PM
I don’t agree with every thing Ian Walcott says but I really resent persons coming on here and raking up stuff about that offshore company and their fraud.
From all reports and from the fact that he was found innocent – that matter had nothing to do with Ian Walcott – but with fraudulent overseas directors and he and the other bajan guy were left holding the bag.
At least Ian has the nerve to come on and boldly state how he feels.
We can disagree strongly with his views but please man – at least be civil – and stick to the issues.
My one advice to you Ian is that your comments about the minister who did not have a true doctorate and that of the other dlp minister not having proper table manners were low blows – and perhaps that is why the knives are being sharpened for you.
Any way press on and as the song says:’Express Yourself.’
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Now back to the issue that David put up on the blog…
I’d like someone to bring some hardcore facts and statistics to dispute what I said about Barbados’ tourist industry…lemme post it again…
So far no one has disputed the facts…
1. No one has said that Barbados is CLEAN
2. No one has said that we have good service…just good, not excellent…come and say that we have good service…
3. No one has disputed that during high season we are doing 80% occupancy at best…
4. No one has disputed that we’ve lost room stock.
5. No one has disputed that we only have ONE brand name hotel.
6. No one has disputed that we’re overpriced.
7. No one has disputed that the Long Beach and East Coast are filled with litter…
8. No one has disputed that the highway has litter.
9. No one has disputed that there’s litter in front de QEH…
I think J disputed that we’re overpriced…and that’s worth a discussion…because of the favorable exchange rate to the pound…we’re quite reasonable to the British travel…but the third highest number of arrivals actually come from the Caribbean and our regional brothers and sisters find us quite expensive…
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 5:32 PM
FORMERLY A BLP SUPORTER BUT WAS NOT THROWN OUT LIKE IAN WALCOTT // July 3, 2008 at 5:22 pm
What about your hand being caught in the cookie jar? Come on level with us now or we will do so for you?
Anonymous // July 3, 2008 at 5:25 pm
dis too sweet he get expose on BU whalord
Hahahahahahahaha…in true Bajan style…I agree wid u anonymous…dis too sweet…but nothing is being exposed…dah’s stale news…I believe that was a front page story on the NATION…you didnt read it…? Then you late man…dah’s stale news…
There were about 16 stories in de Nation…I have all de clippings…I can scan them for ya…
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 5:35 PM
“My one advice to you Ian is that your comments about the minister who did not have a true doctorate and that of the other dlp minister not having proper table manners were low blows – and perhaps that is why the knives are being sharpened for you.”
The minister not having a true document is in a document of the Parliament…it’s not me that put that out there…read de parliament minutes man…
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 5:45 PM
“Ian whenever I go on holiday I also check the various sites to see what other travelers have to say. But I look at many reviews and I am mindful to take both the good ones and bad ones with a pinch of salt. If you looked on the net for reviews of any place which receives a lot of visitors you will find negative reviews for EVERY tourist destination in the world. ”
J I agree with you …and there are certainly more positive reviews of Barbados than there are negative ones…the problem is that we cannot truly measure how much business we’re losing from every negative review…
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Anyways…David…I goin to de gym…by de time I get back…put up a fresh juicy topic on Crop Over and sumting so…this one is beaten to death…or put up one bout Offshore someting juicy and salacious like dah…dat i can talk bout…
But ya know I goin be controversial and truthful just for the hell of it…even if daggers are flying left, right and centre…
Anonymous // July 3, 2008 at 6:44 PM
You are a dishonest bastard, and that we can attest to.
No wonder you and the Mia Mottley and Owen Arthur were such close friends until you commited further errors of your ways.
You commit fraud in the USA and then come to Barbados to steal from innocent people?
Shame on you, you should be behind bars somewhere you are a fraud and a crook.
Anonymous // July 3, 2008 at 6:46 PM
There is nothing you can say or do that will make me truist you that is lost.
In my books you are a crook and it will remain that way through out your life or my life, once a crook always a crook.
Anonymous // July 3, 2008 at 6:47 PM
There is nothing you can say or do that will make me trust you that is lost.
In my books you are a crook and it will remain that way through out your life or my life, once a crook always a crook..
ROBOT // July 3, 2008 at 6:53 PM
Anon
you are being unfair in your comments
and cowardice to boot
go F …. yourself
ROBOT // July 3, 2008 at 6:55 PM
go F …. yourself = go free up yourself
David // July 3, 2008 at 7:01 PM
Please treat with the issues which Ian has raised. Some may disagree but it is his right under free speech.
To engage in personal attacks is a cowardly approach.
Straight talk // July 3, 2008 at 7:44 PM
David:
Please consider giving Ian his own Heading to highlight his unique brand of egomania.
After a day’s work it is hard to feel the pulse of Bajan thought when a fellow blogger tries to swamp this medium.
BFP would advise he goes the WordPress route,and within 10 mins set up his own blog, but we hold freedom of speech to slightly higher standards.
There are many threads on your blog being swamped out by these multiple interesting, yet repetitive postings.
Just a thought.
Nothing personal Ian, I am only sorry that your own blog didn’t turn out as popular as this one.
Please do not abuse this new forum you have adopted.
Anonymous // July 3, 2008 at 8:00 PM
David
I think this post has gone seriously off course – and you may consider closing it.
Just a thought – over to you.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 8:30 PM
“Welcome to Barbados Underground blog or the abbreviated BU. We intend to focus on the news which does not usually make it through to the traditional Press because of the strange liable/slander laws which currently exist in Barbados. Given the recent assault on the Barbados media it behooves each and every Barbadian to “speak-out.” Many of the articles posted will be the opinions of my wife and I, which have been influenced by our experiences derived from observation of our society and the interaction with many people both past and current. We seek to stimulate discussion and at times, we expect that discussions may become robust but that is ok because Barbadians are not known for speaking out. We will be seeking to join others who have resorted to the Internet to join the fight to protect our democracy that we hold so dear.”
Wishing In Vain // July 3, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Wow I leave the island for a few hours and when I get back it is disclosed that Ian Walcott is a fraud and and a thief wow how time flies.
I would like to hear more from him on his court case in the USA , and I would like to know where and for how long he got locked away?
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 11:10 PM
WIV…it’s all over de net man…and it was also in the Nation…
I also did a play on it at Frank Collymore Hall and wrote a book…
How cum u aint hear bout dah?
Wishing In Vain // July 3, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Maybe because I do not make a habit of worrying about frauds, I usually hope the court system will take care of the ones of your ilk.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Cud dear!
Wishing In Vain // July 3, 2008 at 11:50 PM
On a very serious note,
I find that you have a lot of gall to be involved in an Insurance fraud and then to come to Barbados and without a question asked you find work in your friends Ministry of Culture under your good friend Mottley.
Moreover to be so in your face when you should be serving time for frauds and corruption is totally amazing to most honest persons.
When a fraud like yourself can walk into a high paying Gov’t job over and above honest and sincere workers there is something grossly wrong with the then BLP gov’t and the former Min mottley.
Ian Walcott // July 3, 2008 at 11:57 PM
A high paying government job?
Cud dear….LMAO…
Olha seu filho de mae…em vez de entrar neste mundo…a sua mae deveria haver comido a esperma do seu pai….
Wishing in Vain // July 4, 2008 at 9:33 AM
Based on the comment below I am led to believe that certain players such as the mottley person may have played a role in permitting these frauds to take place, maybe we want a further investigation as the part she or the BLP may have played to assist this fraudster walcott.
Players who may have facilitated the fraud and the money laundering by using a web of companies they helped to create in order to move money in and out of the United States, Barbados, Nevis, St. Vincent and elsewhere.
Barbados was said to be the hub of the money laundering. Several of the companies were in Barbados and Nevis.
“Unfortunately, Barbados was the central point of the money laundering aspect of this case,” said a source.
Ian Walcott // July 4, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Cud dear
Wishing in Vain // July 4, 2008 at 3:41 PM
It appears that corruption like Ian Walcott is known for is now appearing to be much more widespread than we first thought, there is more coming to light with regard to the SAA, WATER AUTHORITY and QEH.
Sargeant // July 4, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Ian Walcott I must say I admire your skill for hijacking a discussion about tourism and turning into an attack on the DLP govt. Like a latter day Saul you’ve been converted on the way to Damascus or to mix biblical references the scales have now been removed from your eyes and you’ve found your voice as an Independent.
I didn’t see or hear this Independent voice prior to Jan.15/08 when we in the blogosphere would have welcomed criticism of the former govt. from any quarter. Now since Jan.15/08 you have discovered that pig shite smells. Well it always smelled and I for one can vouch for that because while you were frolicking in the hotel pool we were cleaning the cesspools and I don’t recall any perfumery emanating from the contents. Our pool was “the pot” and Brandons.
I could almost agree with some of your comments if they didn’t have a political ring to them, if tourism is in such a perilous state where was your voice for the past fourteen years? I know you didn’t dare criticize Owen publicly or privately he would have removed you from your sinecure where you like so many other acolytes were nursing at the gov’t’s teat. Now that Owen has been put out to pasture you feel secure in faintly alluding to his misdeeds in an effort to appear “Independent” but I notice that there was no mention of Mia. Where were the vaunted individuals at the BTA whom you claimed in another post to have a target on their backs, presumably they also recognized the crisis facing us and made recommendations did they? Did the Minister ignore them? Did bajans suddenly start disposing of garbage helter skelter since Jan.? Were the ravines and byways pristine until then? What did the gov’t of the day do? In another discussion on education (which you also hijacked) I said some of your comments smacked of elitism and now you’ve proved me right. First you accused the Minister of Education of making disparaging remarks about the older grammar schools and then referred to him as a “dumbass”, now you accusing another of talking with his mouth full. What’s next? Did someone drink from the finger bowl or did they use the wrong fork?
While others profess to admire your temerity for blogging under your own name I would ask what does he have to lose? Everyone knows his political temperament and he isn’t going to change. He is more like a sheep in wolf’s clothing pretending to be bold but lacked the intestinal fortitude to speak up when his input would have meant something.
I heard Mia say that they (the BLP) would start attacking the DLP by using the traditional as well as other media and I see you are her surrogate in this non traditional media.
Ian Walcott // July 4, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Wow Sargeant…
I liked that…very eloquent…but quite selective…because in all my rantings and ravings…you must have noticed that I’ve absolved any government or any political party for the state of the environment and the poor customer service…
In fact, I thought I was abundantly clear when I stated that individuals must take responsibility for their own actions…
Hey man…u sound like a very intelligent person…dont disappoint me…
And I’ll promise u dis…if God spares life and I’m around for the next election…and this crop will have managed to turn around the QEH, fix de schools, and provide housing for de average Bajan…I will recant and go and gih dem my X…
Dah’s a solemn promise…duh got 50 months to do it…
Is that fair?
Come on…I like to think dat i is a fair person….
And de fella thompson dat is now de PM…
Respect due man…wha after all…he embodies de elitist that you accuse me of being…he went to Cawmere, he’s a Bdos scholar…went to a top law school…wha loss…wha i cant shoot myself in de foot…respect due…dah’s meritocracy at work man…
Wishing in Vain // July 4, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Sargeant You comments are spot on the target.
Ian Walcott // July 4, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Sargeant…you sounding like a Permanent Secretary…
Sargeant // July 4, 2008 at 9:48 PM
A PS!!! Surely you jest Ian. I am just an ordinary bajan who likes to call a spade a spade (anonymously of course) and who would blend into the paint on the wall at any get together.
BTW when I was growing up those positions were all occupied by the graduates of our Eton & Harrow i.e. HC and Lodge, now I understand that they are occupied by graduates of Parkinson and St. Leonard’s who probably didn’t do so well at the CEE which according to you is the only barometer of academic success. Lord cum fah yuh worl…..
Ian Walcott // July 4, 2008 at 10:31 PM
I here cracking up…I love it when people switch from standard English into raw Bajan…it’s an amazing gift…
I like how you articulate your ideas though…
And dont say so man…I dont think that’s de only barometer for academic success…I aint dah stupid man…
jodiperry // July 6, 2008 at 9:14 AM
A question? The holiday resorts in question are they publicly or pivately run/owned? If privately isnt the onus on the management and shareholders to ensure ‘excellent’ service. Arent the management of the hotels/resorts reading their clients reviews?
What role does the government play in the quality of the tourism product outside of the ports of entry? Is there a certification system where the resort is graded or ’starred’for quality of service, are there spot inspections for food beverage quality or safety precautions?
Just wondering.
Ian Walcott // July 6, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Jodiperry…most of the hotels are privately owned…but the attitude displayed here on the blog is the same one displayed by those who run the industry…so long as people keep coming…they ingore the negative feedback…BURY YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND…
There’s only so much a government can do with limited resources…and in all fairness…government does what it’s supposed to do…create the macro-economic stability and put an attractive framework in place for the industry to flourish…there’s no sector in Barbados that enjoys the incentives and facilitation framework like the tourist industry…(though there are some environmental issues that require urgent attention on the part of the govt…like waste management and better sector linkages)
Fortunately, we’re living in an age of instant communication…all major newspapers are now online with interactive blogs and any smart person travelling to a destination will do his/her research beforehand.
For example, two years ago we went on a family vacation to St. Maarten and the hotel we first looked at had horrible reviews online and my dad said “no way”…so that hotel lost potential business…(the same thing could’ve occurred if the country had bad reviews)…This was unthinkable 10 yrs ago…we would’ve gone to the hotel only to discover when we got there how bad it really is…
Do you think anyone in their right mind would pack their bags for a trip to Zimbabwe…that once had a flourishing tourist industry…
Think about Rio in the 60s and 70s and think about it now…the tourist arrivals to Rio have fallen dramatically…
The Internet is a very powerful tool that we’ve not yet quite grasped in the Caribbean…
Government is losing millions of dollars daily because their services are not online…the private sector has been slow to make the transition to e-commerce and e-business…banks are only now offering online banking…and the technology is there for all to grab…and it’s not expensive…
Just a thought…