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]]> By: Tell me Why http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-31032 Tell me Why Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:08:06 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-31032 Go to this site and view for yourself http://outamehhead.blogspot.com/2007/06/minister-ra-hells-hospital-of-horrors.html Go to this site and view for yourself
http://outamehhead.blogspot.com/2007/06/minister-ra-hells-hospital-of-horrors.html

]]> By: Tell me Why http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-31026 Tell me Why Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:20:39 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-31026 For sure., we saw this same state of affair in Trinidad and it was published in the papers. For sure., we saw this same state of affair in Trinidad and it was published in the papers.

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Barbados: Lonely Death http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-31017 Global Voices Online » Barbados: Lonely Death Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:46:11 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-31017 [...] Barbados Underground draws attention to the plight of a woman who died at a US hospital this week. 49 year-old Esmin Green collapsed and died on the floor of a New York City hospital after waiting over an hour without receiving any help. BU asks whether this could happen in Barbados? Posted by Skye Hernandez Share This [...] [...] Barbados Underground draws attention to the plight of a woman who died at a US hospital this week. 49 year-old Esmin Green collapsed and died on the floor of a New York City hospital after waiting over an hour without receiving any help. BU asks whether this could happen in Barbados? Posted by Skye Hernandez Share This [...]

]]> By: Georgie Porgie http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-31014 Georgie Porgie Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:37:55 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-31014 Many of the cases I saw in my training did not die at all. Some went home in a few days. Some remained in hospital for a long time. And this was at a time when we did not have the currently available therapeutics or therapy. I deliberately asked the questions I did, and got the incomplete, incorrect "know it all' attacking answers I expected. I particularly enjoyed this one......"If you’ve never seen a person have a stroke or recover from a stroke, then we can’t expect you to know how urgent stroke treatment is, so I’ll forgive you. But next time, check your facts." Adrian's response was equally hilarious. Many of the cases I saw in my training did not die at all. Some went home in a few days. Some remained in hospital for a long time. And this was at a time when we did not have the currently available therapeutics or therapy.

I deliberately asked the questions I did, and got the incomplete, incorrect “know it all’ attacking answers I expected.

I particularly enjoyed this one……”If you’ve never seen a person have a stroke or recover from a stroke, then we can’t expect you to know how urgent stroke treatment is, so I’ll forgive you. But next time, check your facts.”

Adrian’s response was equally hilarious.

]]> By: Adrian Hinds http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-31007 Adrian Hinds Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:41:35 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-31007 Georgie Porgie // July 4, 2008 at 9:09 am LOL One way to teach is to see what the students know or can find out for themselves. One way to teach is to stimulaste discussion.LOL ================================= ha ha ha ha I prefer to believe that this was hardly the case. My view on the rational for your initial questions, is that your medical training and experience probably occured at a time when a stroke ment certain death. lol! Georgie Porgie // July 4, 2008 at 9:09 am

LOL

One way to teach is to see what the students know or can find out for themselves.
One way to teach is to stimulaste discussion.LOL
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ha ha ha ha I prefer to believe that this was hardly the case. My view on the rational for your initial questions, is that your medical training and experience probably occured at a time when a stroke ment certain death. lol!

]]> By: Georgie Porgie http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30988 Georgie Porgie Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:09:46 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30988 LOL One way to teach is to see what the students know or can find out for themselves. One way to teach is to stimulaste discussion.LOL LOL

One way to teach is to see what the students know or can find out for themselves.
One way to teach is to stimulaste discussion.LOL

]]> By: PiedPiper http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30977 PiedPiper Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:09:51 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30977 Georgie, I'm somewhat amazed by your question " explain how a stroke is a major emergency". Are you aware that 1/3 of all strokes happen to those under the age of 65? Are you aware that a stroke can be a catostrophic event leading to death? Depending on what has caused the "bleed" in the brain and where it is located in the brain the effects of stroke can be relatively mild such as weakness of the extremities on one side of the body with some passing speech impairment or it can be devastating and leave the stroke victim in a permanent vegetative state. As to "what Doctors can do about strokes", there have been huge advances made in the treatment of strokes with the introduction of a drug called TPA (tissue plasminigen activator) which when administered to the stroke patient, as soon as possible, will stop a stroke in it's tracks by dissolving the blood clot that has caused the stoke in the first place. Someone here in this thread spoke about giving aspirin....this is completely in the wrong context. Aspirin can be taken daily as a precautionary measure to prevent possible blood clots not as a post- stroke cure. There are a number of different tupes of strokes but the vast majority are caused by blood clots that form in other parts of the body and travel to the brain. The clot when lodged in a blood vessel in the brain stops the flow of blood and therefore oxygen to the brain. The longer the clot sits there the greater the impairment to the patient. The other kind of stroke is caused by a "bleed" in the brain and sometimes but not always this is caused by an aneurysm. Not all bleeds are "gushers" but most often than not, "slow leakers" which in time will form clots on the brain and pressure on the brain. These patients have a high rate of survival once the "bleeder" is clamped off and the clot evacuated in the OR. Georgie, I’m somewhat amazed by your question ” explain how a stroke is a major emergency”. Are you aware that 1/3 of all strokes happen to those under the age of 65? Are you aware that a stroke can be a catostrophic event leading to death?
Depending on what has caused the “bleed” in the brain and where it is located in the brain the effects of stroke can be relatively mild such as weakness of the extremities on one side of the body with some passing speech impairment or it can be devastating and leave the stroke victim in a permanent vegetative state.
As to “what Doctors can do about strokes”, there have been huge advances made in the treatment of strokes with the introduction of a drug called TPA (tissue plasminigen activator) which when administered to the stroke patient, as soon as possible, will stop a stroke in it’s tracks by dissolving the blood clot that has caused the stoke in the first place. Someone here in this thread spoke about giving aspirin….this is completely in the wrong context. Aspirin can be taken daily as a precautionary measure to prevent possible blood clots not as a post- stroke cure.
There are a number of different tupes of strokes but the vast majority are caused by blood clots that form in other parts of the body and travel to the brain. The clot when lodged in a blood vessel in the brain stops the flow of blood and therefore oxygen to the brain. The longer the clot sits there the greater the impairment to the patient. The other kind of stroke is caused by a “bleed” in the brain and sometimes but not always this is caused by an aneurysm. Not all bleeds are “gushers” but most often than not, “slow leakers” which in time will form clots on the brain and pressure on the brain. These patients have a high rate of survival once the “bleeder” is clamped off and the clot evacuated in the OR.

]]> By: Barbados » Blog Archive » Woman Allowed To Die Like A Dog In US Hospital http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30961 Barbados » Blog Archive » Woman Allowed To Die Like A Dog In US Hospital Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:17:17 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30961 [...] Woman Allowed To Die Like A Dog In US Hospital Nobody said it but the question, could this happen in Barbados was uppermost in our minds. more about “Women Allowed To Die Like A Dog In… [...] [...] Woman Allowed To Die Like A Dog In US Hospital Nobody said it but the question, could this happen in Barbados was uppermost in our minds. more about “Women Allowed To Die Like A Dog In… [...]

]]> By: Even more to "Tony Hall" http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30946 Even more to "Tony Hall" Fri, 04 Jul 2008 03:32:27 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30946 Tony, not only do lawyers shun certain cases, doctors in this country don't snitch or speak against their kith and kin. Tony, not only do lawyers shun certain cases, doctors in this country don’t snitch or speak against their kith and kin.

]]> By: J http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30937 J Fri, 04 Jul 2008 03:06:42 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30937 Yes I have seen a 78 year old recover from a stroke come home live at home for 7 years, hospitalized come home and live for 5 more months. Yes there was some disability, but there was also remarkable recovery of speech, of continence, of the ability to use the toilet without assistance, to make a cup of tea, to laugh, to tell stories, to mek' sport to write. No we should not write off even elderly stroke patients. The human body is remarkably resilient and recovery to a good qualityof life is possible after a stroke even for patients who are older than 75. Yes I have seen a 78 year old recover from a stroke come home live at home for 7 years, hospitalized come home and live for 5 more months.

Yes there was some disability, but there was also remarkable recovery of speech, of continence, of the ability to use the toilet without assistance, to make a cup of tea, to laugh, to tell stories, to mek’ sport to write.

No we should not write off even elderly stroke patients.

The human body is remarkably resilient and recovery to a good qualityof life is possible after a stroke even for patients who are older than 75.

]]> By: Georgie Porgie http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30932 Georgie Porgie Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:19:54 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30932 Em I noticed that you had to refer to WebMD for your view. Do you really think that when a person has an aneursym that ruptures that there is time for surgery to help? What are the complications of strokes that is reduced by aspirin? And how does aspirin achieve this? Em have you ever seen a person have a stroke or recover from a stroke? What was the treatment that you saw adminitered to the patient, and how did it help these patients? Em what are the causes of strokes? Em
I noticed that you had to refer to WebMD for your view.

Do you really think that when a person has an aneursym that ruptures that there is time for surgery to help?

What are the complications of strokes that is reduced by aspirin? And how does aspirin achieve this?

Em have you ever seen a person have a stroke or recover from a stroke? What was the treatment that you saw adminitered to the patient, and how did it help these patients?

Em what are the causes of strokes?

]]> By: Em http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30918 Em Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:04:58 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30918 According to WebMD, depending on the type of stroke you have (which can be determined by an MRI or a CT scan) the doctors administer a series of medications to prevent the damage from spreading or another stroke from happening. For example, aspirins to reduce the likeliness of clots which can cause other complications. Also, if it is a hemorragic stroke caused by an aneurysm, then surgery is needed immediately to prevent your brain from bleeding out. Obviously, Georgie Porgie, a stroke is a major emergency. If you've never seen a person have a stroke or recover from a stroke, then we can't expect you to know how urgent stroke treatment is, so I'll forgive you. But next time, check your facts. According to WebMD, depending on the type of stroke you have (which can be determined by an MRI or a CT scan) the doctors administer a series of medications to prevent the damage from spreading or another stroke from happening. For example, aspirins to reduce the likeliness of clots which can cause other complications. Also, if it is a hemorragic stroke caused by an aneurysm, then surgery is needed immediately to prevent your brain from bleeding out.

Obviously, Georgie Porgie, a stroke is a major emergency. If you’ve never seen a person have a stroke or recover from a stroke, then we can’t expect you to know how urgent stroke treatment is, so I’ll forgive you. But next time, check your facts.

]]> By: Georgie Porgie http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30913 Georgie Porgie Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:40:00 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30913 Explain how a stroke is a major emergency. Explain what doctors can do after a person has a stroke. Explain how a stroke is a major emergency.

Explain what doctors can do after a person has a stroke.

]]> By: Sundowner http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30909 Sundowner Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:25:50 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30909 David, you say negligence and incompetence, its already set in, a 75yr old who had a stroke ( major emergency) had to wait ALL night to be seen, died the next day. David, you say negligence and incompetence, its already set in, a 75yr old who had a stroke ( major emergency) had to wait ALL night to be seen, died the next day.

]]> By: David http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30896 David Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:17:16 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30896 Adrian you made the point for us and we agree wholeheartedly. We used the video to sensitize Barbadians what could happen when negligence and incompetence set in. Adrian you made the point for us and we agree wholeheartedly. We used the video to sensitize Barbadians what could happen when negligence and incompetence set in.

]]> By: Tony Hall http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30827 Tony Hall Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:50:58 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30827 It could happen in Barbados, if it hasn't already happened and was probably covered up. This will wake up the health authorities in Barbados. More heads are going to roll in this incident. The woman from what I understand does not have any relatives here in New York but the Civil Liberties Union is pushing for the dismissal of more persons in upper management and more than likely will sue the hospital and other related entities. People in Barbados should sue on a regular basis but the problem is the lawyers who don't want to take certain cases. This happens in a small society when persons are interconnected especially in the higher echelons of society. It could happen in Barbados, if it hasn’t already happened and was probably covered up. This will wake up the health authorities in Barbados. More heads are going to roll in this incident. The woman from what I understand does not have any relatives here in New York but the Civil Liberties Union is pushing for the dismissal of more persons in upper management and more than likely will sue the hospital and other related entities. People in Barbados should sue on a regular basis but the problem is the lawyers who don’t want to take certain cases. This happens in a small society when persons are interconnected especially in the higher echelons of society.

]]> By: Sapidillo http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30802 Sapidillo Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:50:31 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30802 "Dying like a dog in the US Hospital" I think the dogs in the US whether in a hospital or not get utmost treatment. “Dying like a dog in the US Hospital” I think the dogs in the US whether in a hospital or not get utmost treatment.

]]> By: Adrian hinds http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30791 Adrian hinds Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:43:01 +0000 http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/women-allowed-to-die-like-a-dog-in-us-hospital/#comment-30791 Kings County Hospital sits right in the middle of the West Indian population in NYcity, and is a hospital that has been mandated to offer free healthcare. Sad on all counts and as i expect, there is a suite to make those healthworkers who were slow to provide care to account. Indeed six of them lost their jobs. ....But BU are you seriously asking the question "could it happen in Barbados?" Has it not happened already? are you finding a huge difference between dying while SEATED in the waiting room as oppose to dying on the floor of the waiting room? Dr. Judy Norville, grandmother died in such a manner at the QEH. The difference between the two incidents is that revelation of one has led to a law suite, firing and corrective measures, and other to vilification for publicizing it. .....Please do not think that i am making a case for healthcare in America. Like most things healthcare is just another facet in our societies where your income and skin color can play a big role, good or bad. Kings County Hospital sits right in the middle of the West Indian population in NYcity, and is a hospital that has been mandated to offer free healthcare. Sad on all counts and as i expect, there is a suite to make those healthworkers who were slow to provide care to account. Indeed six of them lost their jobs.

….But BU are you seriously asking the question “could it happen in Barbados?” Has it not happened already? are you finding a huge difference between dying while SEATED in the waiting room as oppose to dying on the floor of the waiting room? Dr. Judy Norville, grandmother died in such a manner at the QEH. The difference between the two incidents is that revelation of one has led to a law suite, firing and corrective measures, and other to vilification for publicizing it.

…..Please do not think that i am making a case for healthcare in America. Like most things healthcare is just another facet in our societies where your income and skin color can play a big role, good or bad.

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