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Norman Faria Calls For Blogs To Be Censored While Attending Annalee Davis Rookie Attempt to Capture A Serious Topic on Film in Just 30 Minutes

July 16, 2008 · 418 Comments

Annalee Davis

Members of the BU household attended the viewing of a 30 minute documentary titled On The Map produced by Annalee Davis at Solidarity House tonight (15 July 2008). The night’s proceedings was moderated by the ubiquitous Peter Wickham. The viewing although not a full house attracted a cross section of Barbados. Before we comment on the actual 30 minute ‘piece’ we should clarify a few matters which have been given rise by tonights proceedings. Norman Faria, Barbados Guyana Consul during the feedback segment of the night’s event launched a broadside at the blogs, we believe he meant BU given our persistent blogging on the Barbados immigration issue. He called on the authorities to censor us. He referred to the vile, racist and xenophobic positions taken on the blogs regarding the issue of migrant labour with a focus on the Indo-Guyanese.

Norman Faria we hope that you are reading very carefully what we are about to write:

All of our blogs to date on the immigration issue are built on two positions 1) the lack of a managed immigration policy in Barbados and 2) the socio-impact of large inflows of Indians on a predominantly Black host population. We have reread many of our blogs on the subject of immigration and we have struggled to discern any xenophobic meanings on our part. We must admit that some of our commenters have sometimes crossed the line by engaging in racial rhetoric. However Faria, Ricky Singh and others should not mistake the comments of a few commenters to represent the views of the BU household. We believe in free speech and while we don’t condone all the comments on BU we will always seek to protect freedom of expression. We believe that Barbadians are educated enough to filter racist and xenophobic nonsense from the real fears and concerns of Barbadians. The fear was very eloquently expressed by Caribbean Broadcaster Corporation broadcaster Jewel Forde and Sydney Simmons, now retired. The issue of migrant labour is a topic which is currently occupying the many countries in the world, the developed countries being no exception.

To respond to Keith Nurse who we understand is a lecturer at the UWI and who sought to scare Barbadians by referring to the Dominican /Haiti experience by mentioning the word genocide, it will not work!

To comment on the first effort by Annalee Davis to produce, we have to compliment her on the attempt to highlight a concept which is of value to our small region, i.e. migrant labour. The Caribbean was built on the backs of migrant labour and we have no doubt that this will continue. The BU household fully supports the free movement of people within a managed immigration policy. Contained within that policy must be how ethnic populations will be absorbed by our host population. It seems like we have made this point ad nauseam since our launch but some people prefer to ignore it. The construct of the presentation was woefully inadequate to deal with such a complex topic and Davis located the story mostly in the Guyanese experience and more specifically Indo-Guyanese which led to a perceived bias by the BU household. For the benefit of Davis we should provide one glaring example. The documentary featured resident Indian lawyer Bacchus, who may have some Guyanese origin speaking to the incident dubbed ‘terrible Tuesday’. The BU family may recall that the Barbados authorities sent back 20+ Guyanese who intended to visit Barbados a couple years ago. In the film we listened to Bacchus castigating the Immigration Department and by extension the Barbados government for allowing such to occur. To our surprise the documentary failed to extract an official response from the Barbados Immigration Department to bring some balance to the issue. Instead Ms. Davis film which is a collection of disadvantaged Guyanese grieving served to build the plot for her 30 minute effort.

The feedback session which followed the viewing spanned the gamut of rubbish to insightful but that is to be expected, it is a free country. We should make mention of Ricky Singh’s contribution when he passionately asked government to reverse its current policy on immigration. Ricky seems to know more than the average Barbadian because the promised White Paper on a new immigration policy is yet to be made available for public consumption. BU took umbrage to the tone of his presentation which expressed discuss at how Barbadians and the region have been slow to adopt CSME. He also had some lashes for the media of which he is a part. Whether he likes it or not, the concerns of Barbadians are being echoed all around the Caribbean. Again the concerns of Barbadians were represented two weeks ago by the action of our Caribbean Heads to delay the roll-out of CSME until 2012 because of the very same issue for which we have concerns, movement of people.

Lastly we wish to remind Peter Wickham of the days leading up to the last general election when the Nation newspaper frustrated his effort to publish articles, the blogs assisted him in the cause. Now we have seen him betray us by agreeing with Norman Faria that the blogs need to be censored. Although he did not actually say it he did not offer a denial when Faria made the comment by co-opting his support. We take that Mr. Wickham as acquiescence. Like your former colleague Dr. Don Blackman who lauded the discussions on the blogs prior to election as healthy but recanted soon after, both of you may realize the error of your ways. To reinforce the point we had an email sent to Peter Wickham recently requesting some information to which he has refused to respond, as we said this is a departure from the recent past.

The same behaviour has occurred from someone we thought was a friend of BU, Mr. Stephen Worme of the Barbados Light and Power Company. BU will remain in the wings and quietly observe because as the Bajan saying goes, God does not like ugly.

Categories: Barbados · Barbados News · Blogging · Caribbean · Caribbean News · Guyana · Immigration · Indians · Indo-Guyanese · Racism

418 responses so far ↓

  • Broken trident and arrow // July 16, 2008 at 12:27 am

    I agree with BU’s assessment of the film or flim as in flimsy! It was just a load of pictures and words. It explained nothing just a set white and red people pontificating. The flim did carry interviews with Black migrants but they came across as stupid especially the woman who didn’t know why she was in Barbados and ended up working as a prostitute.

  • JC // July 16, 2008 at 12:37 am

    It was a pathetic film, it was so biased it was not well balanced in its arguments it showed how a Barbados and Guyana could be; but it forgot tomention the racism the retired professor said he went to a place where persons socialised and it was kite season. And what took him by surprise twas to see 500 blacks one part of the pasture and 500 on the other side and they claim that I am xenophobic please!

    Ever body realises what is happening!

    Their case is SO WEAK imagine you aint know you come here to be a prostitute and you dont want to go to the authorities to stop some nasty man from taking advantage of me!

    Please i would be running back to Guyana as fast is ass cause there is noo way on Gods’s green earth that the people gon want me to stay and i wont want to stay!

    these people will do any despicable thing to stay!

  • Anonymous // July 16, 2008 at 1:01 am

    David,David,David.

    You see how precarious our society is perched.

    Like I said in another post,a monster is knocking at our door and whether he gets in depends on who opens that door.

    Right now prime minister thompson has the key to that door.

    I am soooo glad to read that Jewel Forde and Sydney simmons stood up and spoke about the concerns of average bajans.

    Can someone tell me which country with a majority indian population or a majority any other ethnic group will allow large number of legal and illegal persons of african descent to flood their country unchecked?

    Which country will allow these people to try to dictate to the majority population whose foreparents struggles and sacrificed to make their country the success it is?

    Tonight I heard stetson Babb say on radio that Barbados was the country which had the most caricom persons migrating to since CSME and the numbers who came to barbados was set at -LISTEN CAREFULLY -178,000.

    Of course he said that he is assuming some of these were temporary and went back to their homes.

    But if as we know most of the guyanese and some other caribbean nationals in fact don’t go but stayed illegally,barbados is sitting on some dynamite that is about to explode.

    This is the legacy of owen arthur.

    Again I appeal with utter urgency to prime minister David Thompson to immediately review all citizenship and permanent residences given over the past 15 years and where there is fraud detected or irregularities the documents must be revoked and persons sent home while they reapply.

    President Jagdeo is not about to do anything about these guyanese folks because they are his cash cow – they are the people who deny other caribbean country the use of their foreign exchange and send it back to guyana.

    Minister maxine Mcclean and A.G. Freundel Stuart – I would like a complete revision on the criteria for getting citizenship – it must no longer be – if a child is born here legal or illegal or to illegal parents,or through marriage of convenience, or just through application.

    Look at Japan and Switzerland and I think Bermuda as well.

    These country do not allow first or second generation immigrants to get citizenship – please change this precious gift to entitlement after 3 or 4 generation of barbadian born – otherwise they get permanent residency.

    See how Canada and the U.K. have applied more stringent methods for entry into their country for countries like Trinidad – all because of trinindadians – mainly indians – flooding into canada and claiming refuge status or guyanese turning up with false passports.

    Remember a passport holder is an ambassador of the country – giving every one of these immigrants bajan passports willy nilly will soon affect our image overseas as those persons with unacceptable behaviour – already displayed in their former country and in barbados – will now be regarded as bajans.

    Please start assisting the immigration enforcement officers by sending police and army officers with them to round up the illegals at construction sites,at faichild street bars,in st phillip,in st lucy,in st george etc.

    Make a law that any one found harbouring an illegal person will be charged $10,000 if an ordinary citizen and $25,000. if a business.

    Please introduce fingerprinting at the airport with immediate effect.

    Finally under no instance should there be an amnesty,should there be a reward for breaking the immigration law by offering them free education,health services or housing.

    Bajans are at their limit mr prime minister and are ready to burst.

    Please help us NOW.

    Already VOB has heeded norman faria’s instruction and has shut down any free discussion there about the guyanese – always falsely claiming incitement – that is his weapon.

    CBC T.V.has not yet discoverd that it is an issue, and right now all we have is this blog Barbados Underground.

    Events in Fiji,Guyana,Trinidad,Kenya,Mauritius are there to help us avoid the pitfall of the racial conflict which occurred there when an indian population is brought in to a majority african population.

    They never integrate even after hundred of years – all they do is try to extract the wealth from the black population and separate themselves into little enclaves.

    David/BU – could you if you or anyone else have the opportunity provide information on Mauruitus – where there is an indian population and population of people of african descent – I hear it is lamost like slavery for the african population.

    Maybe someone can provide further information.

  • Negroman // July 16, 2008 at 2:44 am

    I believe that we are paying to much attention to that idiot Norma Faria.He is a fool of the highest order.I will encourage the bloggres to ignore Norma Faria do not allow him to get under our collars and do what is right for Barbados.
    We must protect the life our parents,grand parents and great grand parents sacrifice and left for us.
    It is we bloggers that is forcing the governments to implement a new immmigration policy in Barbados.We are influencing public opinion and I will say we are the mouth piece for a vast majority of black Barbadians.We must press on.Victory is assure.
    They are running scare.Ignore the idiot Norma Faria.

  • GCID Report // July 16, 2008 at 3:57 am

    Mr. Faria is just emulating his communist masters in Guyana where the press is under attack. As a communist himself, with Fascist tendencies, the coward hides behind his title… he is a disgrace as a representative of Guyana, and is despised by most Guyanese in Barbados.

    Here is an excerpt from an organization in NYC warning about the growing attacks on the media in Guyana.
    ……………..
    Caribbean Guyana Institute for Democracy (CGID), based in New York, Director of Communications, Jevon Suralie, in a statement on July 14th, said that the government of President Bharrat Jagdeo continues to vilify members of the press in a campaign of vicious attacks on those who report the truth about the government. The latest is Gordon Moseley of Guyana WRHM TV Capitol News

    “First it was journalist Mark Benschop who was placed in jail for five years. Next TV Talk Show host, Ronald Waddell, was shot to death. The government then withdrew ads from the Stabroek Newspaper and subsequently closed down CNS TV Channel 6. Now the Kaieteur Newspaper and Capitol News are under ferocious attack.” He observed that “The Jagdeo administration is hostile to the independent press and has ruthlessly attacked journalists it does not like.”
    …………………….

  • Yardbroom // July 16, 2008 at 5:31 am

    I will not tread into the barren intellectual desert of name calling and epithets…never have I done so; and I do not intend to start now.

    My friends, unvarnished “facts” are sometimes difficult for others to handle.

    A man has ventured forth from a country, where people are being murdered as we speak and blood is a’flowing because of race. He comes to the relatively safe and peaceful country of Barbados to lecture, hector and tell us -Bajans – we are racists and what we should or should not say.

    My dear fellow, pray do not impart your “great wisdom” on us, save your lecture for your fellow countrymen and “your country” for it is there the church bells are tolling and the undertakers are being kept busy.

    I have seen enough propaganda films made by Nazis against Jews; to know that you can deliver any message you wish through them.

    My opinions will be formed by History, the “reality” in Trinidad, Guyana Fiji and other parts of the world, unfettered by the self interest of individuals. We cannot allow unelected people accountable to no one, to set our political strategy and objectives.

    I say to our Prime Minister The Rt. Hon. David Thompson, I beseech you Sir through your office to take action to ensure illegal immigrants in Barbados, through just process of Law are dealt with expeditiously…I would not trouble Sir, unless I felt there was a need.

    There is a gathering “storm” and some people now feel emboldened enough to take their positions in Barbados. Decisive action is needed and needed now or our inheritance will not be worth inheriting.

    You Sir, can make a stamp on our History and your name will be remembered long after the names of others have faded into oblivion.

  • JC // July 16, 2008 at 6:01 am

    Last night a gentlemen siad thank you to Jewel Forde for speaking on the behalf of thousands of bajans; another lady could be seen in the back, stating that these persons are not dealing with the real issues such as racism, HIV AIDS, fear of not feeling wanted …….. She spoke on the behalf of thousands of bajans who are becoming scared.

    If they talk about genocide, why dont they ask Norman Faria and Jagdeo to help Guyanese to go home and rebuild…….

    Another thing I was in a discussion with persons and one of the MAJOR resons for D. Thompson sucesss at the poles WAS because of this guyanese issue.

    David Ellis how comes you are not speaking on behalf of your brothers and sisters in the field of journalism. Instead, you choose to speak about persons you HARDLY KNOW, at least these journalists are people you can relate to in some way; but you admire jagdeo’s policy of not taking care of his own you are a FRAUD.

    You Mr. Ellis are an educated dunce, you have chosen to forget about all of our foreparents struggles in times gone by recent and not so recent. You Mr. Ellis have no pride in what we have built you and the guyanese who claim how wicked we are, lots of words can be used to describe you persons such as deceitful whilst the other is spineless.

  • Redds // July 16, 2008 at 6:37 am

    I hope you direct some of your venom at Wickham also

  • David // July 16, 2008 at 7:06 am

    We should address the point made by Wickham that Barbadians should not confuse the problem caused by illegal immigration and those caused by CSME.

    We believe that the compartmentalization of the issue does not move the matter forward. The large influx of immigrants into Barbados in recent years has created fears amongst the Barbadian population as similar events have done in other countries around the world. So let us disabuse ourselves that this is a Barbados problem ONLY.

    However now that we have the concerns of Barbadians interacting with the other issue of freedom of movement of CARICOM people this is where the problem looms for the regions policymakers. Barbadians cannot and should not disconnect the two issues.

    Already our government has been saying that our schools are overpopulated and some of the problem can be attributed to illegal immigration. We have a QEH under stress. Barbados in large measure has been built on the basis of free education which has allowed our people to manage our resources with prudence up to now. Any dumbing down of the system caused by Barbados being a warehouse for all the unskilled people of the other countries cannot be tolerated.

    We continue our call for a managed immigration policy.

  • JC // July 16, 2008 at 7:37 am

    Mr. Wickam has lots of pretty words yet he himself readily admits that he can understand our bajans fear;

    Redds you and many more persons decide to turn a blind ear to facts I will not repeat those facts because i have mentioned them repeatedly. However, Mr. Wickam is more concerned about staying in the bread line.

    This is because his job is not being threatened; What about persons at the bottom of the scale who has been swept aside? You think that I scared of Wickham or anybody, pleaseeee, I am not paranoid when thousands of bajans agree with me!

    Additionally, now that the middle calss of society has started to feel the pinch, especially corporate Barbados, persons are now beginning to recognise and comprehend the disaster that is about to happen in Barbados.

    someone told me last night that not only the Guyanese are here but Jamaicans Trinidadians, and the list go on and they are not going back. They are now starting to affect the middle class ha ha ha ha! These are the same middle class who was saying that the artisans and labour force were hallucinating.

    I never thought that I would see the day that bajans are being Ostracized in their country. HELL IS GOING TO BREAK LOOSE YOU KNOW SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

    THESE PEOPLE ONLY HIDING FOR NOW BUT LET THEM START TO GET MORE OF THEIR KIND!

    I telling you CAT PIST AND PEPPER!

    Young people aint standing for shite redds, believe it!

  • The People's Democratic Congress // July 16, 2008 at 8:22 am

    If what BU has alleged that that joker Mr. Norman Faria has called for BU to be censored for giving vent to many of the legitimate frustrations and anxieties that huge throngs of Barbadians have about the fact that there are too many Indo-Guyanese presently in Barbados, then we have to make it unambiguously clear to him, or to any one else who may also be holding such a position, that we will NOT stand idly by and allow for the right of freedom of expression of Barbadians on such a serious and fundamental matter of national strategic and security importance to be helped curtailed by any persons – Barbadians or otherwise – who do NOT have the fundamental interest of this beloved country at heart.

    And, Faria, we are NOT being defensive about it either. As a matter of fact, we are so very pugnacious about this matter that our party will soon meet in caucus to seriously look at our response to the fact that there are too many Indo-Guyanese in Barbados. And, we are NOT mincing words or using any tactful language to give any subdued tone about our indignation towards this fundamental problem either. This malignancy of there being too many Indo-Guyanese is a very vexxed one, and is one that one way or another has to be solved. However, at the end of this caucus many Barbadians shall know what positions we have taken concerning this most troubling matter.

    Moreover, while we harbour NO hatred towards non-racist Indo-Guyanese visiting or working in Barbados, we have seen what has happened in esp. Guyana, Trinidad and Tobago, where Africans – who were the ones to be brutally enslaved centuries ago – were the ones that mercilessly toiled in the hot broiling sun under very cruel and inhuman conditions in the fields and the estates and in the factories in order to help build the foundations of these particular societies. It was they who really had built the material production foundations of these societies, and therefore it is they who are in need of the greatest rewards ever for doing so up to this day!!! It was only after Emancipation – we mean British Emancipation 1834 – that Indians were brought to those societies from India by the British colonialists – as INDENTURED LABOUR – NOT SLAVE LABOUR – at a time when global social, political and economic outlooks and conditions were modestly changing, a little for the better. Yes, they were brought for productive reasons but we strongly believe that they were mainly brought to the region for vicious divisive/divide and rule/destabilizing political reasons.

    And furthermore, since the early 1900s, Caribbean history has taught us that – because of those Indians having been introduced years ago into these societies – and very much with their ethno-cultures intact – the historical and social evolution of Trinidad and Tobago and Guyana has been one that has been centered on racial division and polarization, has been one that has seen racial and ethnic tensions and animosities unceasingly inflaming these societies, and has been one wherefore the political, productive, religious and social cultures of these societies have become so riven by racial considerations that these societies are so perennially unstable and rancorous. Would any rational reasonable Barbadians want these situations for our beloved country, now or in the forseeable future?? Uh??

    Finally, we have recently been told by a former parliamentarian how Mr. Eric Sealy years ago used to be on his political platforms and elsewhere railing against what he thought then was a problem of there being too many Indians visiting and staying in Barbados. Now, we have entered another dangerous phase of a very grave social political problem, with this time around – as compared to that time when Mr. Sealy was a political force – Barbados now being host to far more Indians than then – most of them now coming from Guyana – What a humiliation and disaster to see such a dangerous trajectory unfolding!!

    However, Make now doubt about it – the People’s Democratic Congress (PDC) and other Barbadians politically historically conscious enough to know what is going on with regard to the possible calamitious consequences for this country as a result of Barbadians allowing too many Indo-Guyanese here – SHALL NOT make the fundamental mistake that thousands upon thousands of Black Trinidad and Tobagonians and Guyanese made in allowing too many Indians into “their spaces”, and SHALL NOT allow our selves to later on become victims of an old treacherous colonial device of divide and rule, whether being now or later perpetrated on the country by some elite Barbadians and non-Barbadians in Barbados, by some political leaders in Barbados, or by some other Indians themselves who live here or elsewhere and who will have grand delusions about Indians taking over our Barbados – our BARBADOS!! NEVER NEVER EVER IN BARBADOS, ONCE WE ARE AROUND!! WE HAVE LEARNED FROM OUR HISTORY!! And to Faria, lay to HELL OFF the blogs!! TAKE YOUR DAMN PLACE !!

    PDC

  • seawoman // July 16, 2008 at 9:30 am

    Very interesting and disturbing post.

    GUYANESE QUESTION
    -It isn’t only Barbados that has challenges with coping with the huge influx of other illegal Caribbean nationals like Guyanese. Look around the region.

    -Unfortunately because of General Orders, Barbados’ Immigration Department which really works hard @ protecting our borders (thank GOD!) seem to have their hands tied when it comes to defending themselves.

    Something about public awareness about what they REALLY deal with everyday needs to be done…and quickly. I know personally, that it goes way beyond stamping passports for these unsung/undervalued “civil servants” – their very lives do get threatened.

    -What would happen if controls AREN’T enforced? Colour me stupid, but what further impact will that have on sustaining our healthcare, environment and education?

    Has anyone noticed the change in the TYPE of crimes in the last few years?

    Is anyone aware that despite the headaches of World Cup, the B’dos Immigration Department did NOT receive a complaint?

    -Can anyone tell me including Mr. Faria (with his head up his a*@) WHY it is so easy to get replacement birth certificates and other important identification so EASILY from Guyana?

    CENSORING BLOGS?!!!
    -Ridiculous and backwards.

    Norman Faria doesn’t surprise me but Peter Wickham should know better.

    While I believe bloggers like other “writers” must understand their responsibility, they do have a right to express their opinion.

    People generally will separate the effective bloggers and/or content they share from the ones who are a waste of time.

    I’ve always known that people are leery of artists (and now bloggers).

    All I can say is people, understand your power and wield it wisely.

    Peace.

  • Heaven // July 16, 2008 at 10:09 am

    There are many illegal immigrants from all over the Caribbean not only Guyana working in Barbados.I live near several construction sites and the variety of accents heard daily is amazing.
    Meanwhile our young able bodied men are content to sleep all morning , sell stolen local fruit , or illegal dvds , in Swan Street or beg for a few dollars.

    As for the Bajan middle class who sat by while Owen Arthur flooded this small island with Guyanese and said nothing , their time has come.

    Many Barbadians are unable to get jobs because local companies are applying for work permits for Trinidadians, Jamaicans , Dominicans anyone but a Bajan.Our own BNB has loans officers on work permits , from Guyana and Trinidad.Local subsidaries of regional companies are employing foreign sales reps on work permits to sell liquor and cigarettes.

    These people don’t care about this country , they are only here to benefit from the hard work of our fore parents.Guyanese send most of their money home and if they have to pay for anything they only patronize businesses which are owned by their countrymen.
    Barbados has become a free for all , free that is for everyone but Bajans , because we will pay for what is happening to our beloved country.

  • JC // July 16, 2008 at 11:05 am

    I know at times we let emotions get in the way.

    I myself am guilty of this offence regularly, however, as David said we need stronger immigration policies and that is the bottom line.

    Persons in Britain are now crying fowl, it is total chaos all over the world. This is going to bring some serious unecessary conteptuous thoughts to persons who were docile and humble.

    I plead with our leaders to make sure they try to do something about this matter.

    At one point in time the persons who were seen as the lower class in society when they were crying fowl every body claimed that they were paranoid and xenophobic then it moved on to the artisans they were also seen as Xenophobic and not wanting to work. We heard things such as that we should have a better working attitude in this country.

    But now it is the middle class’s turn and they not taking this thing likely;

    My question is why did it have to go so far, didnt people realise that this was an accident waiting to happen.

    All that was required of government,was to implement proper migration policies.

    We have found ourselves in a mess! a total mess!

    I am getting so weary of this situation I dont know what will happen next!

  • Reaganomics // July 16, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    http://migration.ucdavis.edu

    Here’s a decent discussion forum on the global migration issue.

  • Anonymous // July 16, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    David/and BU bloggers

    Please go to kaeitur news on the side bar under newspapers and read an article there titled;Elected dictatorship and indians like my me written by a guyanese east indian coulmunist – I’m not sure if he is Freddie Kisson.

    Very interesting article,and while there have a look at the unfair trial of Oliver Hinckson a former soldier and what is happening to the black people there in guyana by the racist,corrupt basdeo jagdeo government – of course shy princess easily forgets this and is on the side of her indo guyanese counterpart satyendra now that she is safely ensonced in barbados.

    Hinckson was granted bail for what is a bailable offence,yet the persons to recieve his bail document all disappeared from the office until late in the afternoon when the A.G. an east indian reversed the decision of the magistrate (a ms Robertson – an afro guyanese).When the High court reversed the decision the court process workers all reurned magically to their office.

    So Mr Hinckson – an afro guyanese never got to enjoy any period of bail.

    My heart goes out to him,and even the indian journalist writing in the Kaeitur news said he was ashamed as an east indian – of the basdeo government for how they are treating this man .

    I don’t know if any of the BU family has been listening to the debate today in the senate – but listening to a clip on the luch time news minister of immigration Ms Maxine Mcclean seemed to have been discussing the immigration issue and the overhaul to come as well as an increase in the number of immigration officers.

    That’s a good start but I WANT TO SEE SOME MASSIVE DEPORTATIONS OF THESE ILLEGALS.

    It’s about time something is done – and guyana and basdeo jagdeo has already been forewarned by prime minister Thompson.

  • JC // July 16, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Some new faces and voices are now raisisng their heads at government institutions and I have friends who have been trying for years to get a government job. Ms. McClean what are you doing about this problem. We voted for change this is not good enough.

    This is an alert please let us be vigilant and see how many foreigners get NHC Units that bajans for 15 years or more were waiting for. One must remember that an Indian has been appointed as part of that Board. WATCH THIS BAJANS.

    The Owen Arthur administration has squandered our birth rights people.

  • Negroman // July 16, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    I am following with great interest the case involving Mr OliverHinckson .This man is charged with Sedition.It is alleged that he made remarks in support of “fineman” Rollins and his socalled gang..There is even a conspiracy to link him with the same gang.After months of court appearances no credible evidence could be found and yet this man who served in the Guyana Defence Force is still lock up.People are asking why we blacks in Barbados should not be concern with these detestable indo guyanese in Barbados
    It is interesting that Shyprincess,Satyendra,Passin Through South,Centipede,Ian Walcott,Chris Halsall and the rest have not responded to many of the excellent questions you Anonymous have asked.Also many good queations from JC,The Scout,and Yours Truly.Are they running scare?

    I listened to the debate in the Senate and I admired Maxine McClean comments.Kerry Simmons made me nauseous listening to the junk that came out his mouth.This BLP bunch is a shameful lot that should never nevr be given the chance to rule Barbados again.This clown Kerry Simmons is begging this government to tighten up and give our immmigration and customs officers more resources to effectively manage this illegal immigration isssue.You believe he has the gall to say that.
    Kerry Simmons shame on you.
    YOUR ARE A POLITICAL NUISANCE

  • Tony Hall // July 16, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Prime Minister Thompson has an opportunity to leave his legacy with this immigration issue especially with the Guyanese. I can understand if they were in Barbados and keeping their asses quiet. Oh no!!!. They are causing social decay in this country. I was home recently and what I noticed is that some of them are trying to scam Barbadians and tourists alike. I was in Cave Shepherd shopping and this Guyanese woman who thought I was non-Barbadian came up to me trying to pull a scam on me. The cashier was a little concerned because she thought I was going to fall for it. When the woman heard a few choice Bajan words coming from my mouth she took off. The cashier told me that this is the type of nuisance that they have to contend with on a daily basis. I am sure that the Guyanese who are contributing to the social decay are in the minority but they are creating havoc. AND YOU NORMAN FARIA ALL OVER THE RADIO AND IN THE PRESS TALKING SHITE ALL THE TIME? CHECK OUT THE GOV’T OF GUYANA FIRST BEFORE YOU CRITISE ANYTHING BARBADIAN.

  • Chris Halsall // July 16, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    @Negroman…

    To address your above…

    I cannot speak for the others named, but personally… No, I am not “running scared”.

    Many of the Arts teach that it is better to walk away than to fight. Particularly if those trying to start a fight are no match; are not at the same level…

    But to speak directly to you, I do note that *you* did not respond to my post of 2008.07.14.1806 wherein I wrote, again, specifically to you: “Please, if I may ask, speak to the question of what is happening in Africa. No one is scared of Black advancement. Any enlightened human welcomes it.”

    I present this again; please speak *directly* to this. And please note this is in direct response to your posting of 2008.07.14.1805, which was directed directly to me.

    Please do not raise other examples of unrest from other regions, in a distractionary manner. This is a simple question, which you should be able to address directly.

    It is an important question. I do find it interesting that *no* *one* has addressed it.

    Namaste all….

  • Negroman // July 16, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Chris Halsall what a feeble attempt to respond to me.The snobbery in your remarks will not affect me.
    In response to your quetion on the conflicts in Africa. I mentioned on another topic that stinking white euoropeans clonists are responsible for the majority of conflicts in Africa.Example the conflict between the Hutus and Tutsis in Burundi.The Dutch colonists divided those two groups.The colonists favoured the light skin Tutsis above the darker Hutus.The Dutch colonists allowed the Tutsis to oppressed the Tutsis .That is the real reason for the conflict between those two groups.I could highlight more examples.The point is the nasty,despicable,wicked racist and murderous europeans are RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONFLICTS IN AFRICA TODAY.
    DISPUTE IT

  • Yardbroom // July 16, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Chris Halsall
    You said ..”.*no* *one* has addressed it*”

    The question being: “please, if I may ask, speak to the question what is hapening in Africa. No enlightened human welcomes it”

    The question is “nebulous” it has no specific definition, are you referring to:
    Politics
    Climate
    Elections
    Education
    Racial Conflict
    Indians

    Africa is a large continent, within the context of this debate , be specific. I await your response.

  • Roscoe Jenkin // July 16, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    It is unfortunate that every time a Barbadian raises the issue of immigration reform and the concerns that we have about ‘floods’ of non-nationals entering our borders Mr. Faria or other un-’enlightened’ native starts dribbling at the jaws sputtering ‘xenophobia, xenophobia, xenophobia, and again xenophobia’. Even Sir Roy jumped on the bandwagon a short while ago. We were concerned for a long time, and our Prime Minister at the time said to shut up, ‘those people build good cuoboards, look at mine’. the fact of the matter really is that a lot of business persons (large and small) are the ones encouraging the weekly landing of Guyanese (both endo and negro) to cut payroll costs by paying them shite money.

    If you look around in certain places early in the morning, you would see the convergence of Guyanese waiting for their transportation to take them to various site (and not all are construction) to work. The former PM did not only import tons of Guyanese, but also baskets of Chinese. There is nothing wrong with looking for a better life in another country, many Barbadians havae done throughout our history. But only an Ass would encourage emmigration to his country to the detriment of his countrymen. Hundrends of thousands dollars are filtered out of Barbados monthly and not all of is in wallets or carry-on bags, nor by non-nationals either. But thats a whole other issue which I don’t need to elaborate on. Despite the anti-money laundering and other legislation, its quite easy for anyone to open a bank account in Barbados.

    Keep the peace
    -Roscoe Jenkins

  • Chris Halsall // July 16, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    @Yardbroom…

    My post of 2008.07.14.1757 made indirect reference to “passin through south”’s comment of 2008.07.14.1723.

    So, to speak to the ambiguity which might exist within my above, I was referring to the (intra)racial conflicts within many of the countries of Africa, without Indian presence.

    My (true) apologies for not being clear.

    @Negroman…

    I’m still working on my response to your last. Please stand by…

    Kindest regards to all….

  • JC // July 16, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Roscoe Jenkiins I heard a little of what you were talking about, however unlike you I am not that familiar with the topic so I cannot make a comment.

    However, I know for a fact that the ministryof education is in the practice of writing schools in Barbados and ‘DEMAND’ the headteacher to install this illegal child into our classrooms. Moreover a desk and chair must be bought for this illegal immigrant’s child.

    Additionally, when you a BARBADIAN goes to that SAME school QUESTIONING the availability of space for your child you hear a resounding NO MORE ROOM SORRY!

    You think these things are fair.

    I know for a fact that they are many unidentified bodies who have died from HIV AIDS and no one has or can claim the bodies since they are foreigners; hence we the tax payers of this country have to pay the bill!

    And then people talk about xenophobia PLEASE!

    What about talking about unfair, this is shite!

    GET THESE PEOPLE OUT! For approximately 9 months we were hearing how this will happen and that will happen and nothing but alotta long talk!~

    Do something yeah!

  • Chris Halsall // July 16, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    @Yardbroom…

    I just realized you misquoted me… I have found this is a common technique in confusing important issues.

    Let me please correct the record:

    You quoted me as saying “please, if I may ask, speak to the question what is hapening in Africa. No enlightened human welcomes it”.

    *My* self quote was: “Please, if I may ask, speak to the question of what is happening in Africa. No one is scared of Black advancement. Any enlightened human welcomes it.”

    Again, just for the record (as the “record” is important…)

  • Roscoe Jenkin // July 16, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    JC, what you are saying is true. Just last week the Gentleman fron St. James North was pushing the agenda for free education for illegal children (achor-babies in the US), at our expense. But you what is the most unfortunate thing? They don’t taxes or NIS, so not only are they taking our jobs, but they are also taking advantage of our hard earned taxes that we pay. We are literally carrying them on our already aching backs.

    This is a heavy and unneccessary burden to bear.

    -Roscoe Jenkins

  • Yardbroom // July 16, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    @ Chris Halsall

    Conflicts occur in India without Africans being there as they occur in African without Indians being there. Most bloggers take exception to your comment: “…no enlightened human welcomes it.” The undercurrent of your message was clear.

    “Homo sapiens has been learning about conflict since its orign as a species. That knowledge, then, is not a neat, concentrated package ready to be passed along or handed down. It is spread across humanity. It resides wherever humans live, work and play. It is what we call “folk knowledge,” used continuously in everyday life, in every society…in commerce, family relations, government, sport child rearing.”

    Such events as the Napoleonic Wars and the revolutions of 1848 brought conflict and violence on a scale not imagined before,”

    Twentieth century technology and bureaucratic organization permitted leaders of modern states to take Napoleon’s total war methods to undreamed extremes. The culminating events in World War 2…the incineration, vaporization, and extermination of millions of humans.”

    There have been conflicts in Nicaragua, Guatemala, Bosnia, Sri Lanka Iraq and elsewhere.

    Have we forgotten the collapse of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia, both of which were followed by ethnic conflicts that escalated to violence and civil war.

    “What about Pol Pot and the Khymer Rouge. During his time in power the combined effect of slave labour, malnutrition poor medical care and executions had an estimated death toll of 750, 000 to 1.7 million ( approximately 26% of the then population) at that time.

    The point I have made is that in every continent “HUMAN BEINGS” have killed each other on a massive scale and will do so in the future unenlightened as it is. It is often more clinical and at arms length than in Africa but the end result is the same.

    African has not got a monopoly on killing in conflict for race or ethnicity the figures do not bear that out.

    PS: I must apologize now as I will not respond to this specific, which I consider off thread. Now let us get back to illegal immigration.

  • Chris Halsall // July 16, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    @Yardbroom…

    I hope you understand you are taking my attention away from my response to Negroman.

    I have observed this before, but never realized I might find myself in the middle of such a situation…

    First I am misquoted. And then I am attacked for the misquote. Gosh, one might even conclude that my words mean something… (I’m not worthy….)

    Quoting your (misquote) immediate above:

    Yardbroom wrote: Most bloggers take exception to your comment: “…no enlightened human welcomes it.” The undercurrent of your message was clear.

    @Yardbroom: again: *I* never said that. *You* misquoted me saying that. And then immediately attacked me for doing so…

    Let me again, please, put on the record…

    *I* said: “Please, if I may ask, speak to the question of what is happening in Africa. No one is scared of Black advancement. Any enlightened human welcomes it.”

    May we (and obviously we do) live in interesting times… (As an aside, this is actually a very old Chinese curse…)

    Namaste all….

  • Adrian // July 16, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    David // July 16, 2008 at 7:06 am

    We should address the point made by Wickham that Barbadians should not confuse the problem caused by illegal immigration and those caused by CSME.

    =================================
    This is most interesting. At one time Peter Wickham shared the same view as Owen Arthur with regards to CSME , which he stated acknowledged and legitimized the movement of skill labour under it five catergories, and not doing anything for unskilled labour, as been elitists, and disadvantaging poor people across the community. Now he is trying to seperate out the two, which they are by suggesting that we are somehow confusing the two. Wow peter wickham is behind what is driving the concerns of Barbadians regarding both, and this is so because he would rather spend his time telling us what he thinks and what we should think. They are concerns about both but they are very different Peter, and it is very obvious that you are confuse about that. But all in all Peter Wickham is on record for stating that he has little regards for Borders. This lack of regard is the single most reason why he should not and cannot direct let alone lead the debate and engage the thoughts of Barbadian on Immigration. He clearly has an belief at his core that can never reach a compromise with the rest of us. The only other person that i have heard state very clearly and very matter of fact that they are against borders is known US immigration lawyer Roger Sidi, who started the www. guyanayusa.org website. He clearly admitted his bias.

    Mr. Sidi being an average white american guy of european decent, having never visited Guyana took to helping illegal Guayanese in NA diaspora gain their us citizenship, said one thing to me that stuck with me. When I asked him his opinion of Guyanese in the Diaspora, said he notice that Guyanes muslims hang with other muslims, Guyanese blacks hangs with everbody and Guyanese of Hindu origins stuck to themselves since it seems to him that they were not accepted by those from the Motherland India.

  • ROBOT // July 16, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Somebody should try to find out if Norman Faria is trying to destabilize Barbados

    was Norman Faria on Tom Adams’ hit-list at some point in time ?

    what is FARIA ‘S OBJECTIVE ?

    Target FARIA
    ALL THREATS TO BARBADOS to be monitored

  • The Devil // July 16, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    I hesitate to dip my toe into this thread but I suppose devils must go where angels fear to tread!

    I attended the presentation last night and must concur with most of the opinions about the film that have been expressed on this thread. Frankly the film was boring and did not have a clear thesis.

    It was a disingenuous presentation in that it suggested that CSME is inextricably bound to free movement of labour. Well as one commentator said, the free movement of all labour was NOT envisaged under the protocols establishing the CSME. Very specific categories of persons are listed under the protocols and clearly there is an administrative structure in place that deals with such persons. If that is not managed migration then tell me what is? So it can be argued that calls to put in place appropriate controls on ALL OTHER CATEGORIES of migrants to Barbados really have nothing to do with CSME but relate to the orderly mangement of immigration and the maintenace of our security and way of life.

    Even Wickham seemed to miss this point that the success of the CSME does not hinge on the free movement of prostitutes! While there was little news reportage on the discussions at the Caricom Heads of Government meeting, I am confused that even the HOG seemed to be jumping the gun and making the same mistake.

    The influx of migrants to B’dos have nothing to do with CSME. It is in response to the development activity peculiar to Barbados. The movement of those categories of persons under CSME is permitted in pursuance of pan Caribbean investment by companies and those agencies (UWI, RNM, CDB etc) which are involved in regional affairs. Individuals whose expertise is critical to such pan Caribbean investment was thus also allowed free movement.

    The migrants to Barbados are here for very local reasons not in support of say Guyanese investment in a manufacturing plant. These people are here because there is a perceived shortage of say cane cutters or masons or whatever. If we determine that the situation is bordering on the chaotic and we further determine that it is necessary to bring order then there really can be no argument and it certainly does not abrogate our responsibilties under the CSME.

  • Chris Halsall // July 16, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    @ROBOT…

    Your above could be considered a threat to many…

    Do you *really* want that kind of attention focused here? *Think* about this…

    You all think you are posting here without recourse. (IMHO) You all *so* don’t understand where you find yourselves…

    As a hint, where do you think the server [somename].wordpress.com resides? Do you think they are as incompetent, and as impotent, as a certain Caribbean ISP?

    Again, for your own self interests, *think* about this….

  • JC // July 16, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Chris Halsall you know that this man is threatening our way of life? this man is threatening BAJANS and ordering them to SHUT UP OR ELSE!

    He crazy? I dont like this at all. I had a headache from last night because I cannot unerstand for the life of me WHY we would allow this man to say that the media should be censored! You educate persons through the media of the happenings within one’s country and so on (thank God for BU)!

    What foolishness is this!

    Why dont you beg faria to cool it.

    We could never go to Guyana or any other place and do this.

    Do you understand that we who have watched our foreparents struggle will not give up thsi little precious piece of rock. We are not GOING anywhere simple!

  • The Devil // July 16, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    I am personally for Caribbean integration etc BUT…..a BIG, BIG BUT….Barbados is a sovereign nation and as contradictory as it may sound, I will fight tooth and nail against any politician or leader who will seek to change our national status and constitutional arrangements WITHOUT THE DIRECT AND EXPLICIT APPROVAL OF THE CITIZENS (i.e by referendum). For example, I was against the manner in which B’dos removed the Privy Council and adopted the CCJ as our final court of appeal (and I detest being associated with the British monarchy and any remnant of the colonial administration).

    If the majority of Barbadians express a desire to “go it alone” apart from Caricom then so be it.

  • David // July 16, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    We listened to some of the debate with interest in the Senate today. What is clear is that there is a clear separation in approaches to the issue of managed immigration. While the DLP side, and Senator McClean was very clear through her use of simple language to explain the issues, appear to have a view aligned with BU and family, the BLP appear to be caught up in the idea that we should adopt a more relaxed position given the importance of immigration to CSME and CARICOM.

    The BLP was at pain to highlight the enormous beneficial interest Barbados has in the success of CARICOM and should not seek to rock the boat by sending the wrong signal to CARICOM.

  • Yardbroom // July 16, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    It is most unusual for a Consul ( representative) in a country; to adopt such a prominent position in the affairs of state in a Democratic country, particularly in a friendly country.

    Is he a member of a political party?

    I find it strange that a consul should be engaging in activities which could be considered political rather than being a representative of his government and his countrymen.

    If it is that his activities can be seen as against the host nation, it might become necessary to withdraw his accreditation. It cannot be diplomatic for a Consul to be seen or perceived by the majority of the resident population to be acting in an “unfriendly” way against the State.

    The basis on which I have asserted the above, is on the official function of a Consul:

    “The tittle Consul is used for the official representatives of the government of one state in the territory of another, normally acting to assist and protect the citizens of the Consul’s own country, and to facilitate trade and friendship between the people of the country to whom he or she is accredited and the country of which he /she is a representative.

    I put it to you that that the “core” requirement “friendship between the people of the country” is not being undertaken in this regard. I put it to you the opposite is happening.

  • Chris Halsall // July 16, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    For the record…

    Humm… Yardbroom, and for that matter BU, simply ignore my catching him trying to distort the record…

    As Laurie Anderson once said, in “Kokoku”: “Keep cool. Maybe if we pretend this never happened, they’ll all just go away….”

    With kindest regards to all…

  • Chris Halsall // July 16, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    If I May please quote Laurie Anderson, my personal favourite artist…

    “I come very briefly to this place. I watch it move. I watch it shake. kumowaku yamano. watashino sakebi. watashino koewo. ushano kokoku. watashiwa sokoni. watashiwa asobu. mountain with clouds.
    . my voice. home of the brave. I’m here now. and lost. they say the dead will rise again. and here they come now. strange animals out of the ice age. and they stare at you. dumbfounded. like big
    Akes. and we say: keep cool. maybe if we pretend this never happened, they’ll all just go away. watashiwa sokoni. watashiwa asobu. mewotoji. mewotoji. kikunowa kotori. watashino sakebi. watashin
    Wo. I am here in this place. losing. my eyes are closed. closed. birds are there. hearing something. shouting. my voice. (and yet, we could all be wrong. wouldn’t be the first time.) kumowaku ya
    Watashiwa sokoni. watashiwa asobu. kumiwaku yamano. kikunowa kotori. watashino sakebi. mountains with clouds. I am there. lost. mountains with clouds. birds are there. hearing something. a shou
    Ey say the world is smaller n
    Ow. small world. they say that man is taller now. tall man. they say the stars are closer now. thank you, lucky stars. you come very briefly to this place. jikanwa tomaru. ushano kokoku. time is
    Ped. home of the brave. and on a very distant star, slimy creatures scan the skies. they’ve got plates for hands. and telescopes for eyes. and they say: look! down they say: watch it move. watch
    Hake. watch it turn. and shake. watashiwa sokoni. watashiwa asobu. kumowaku yamano. watashino sakebi. watashino koewo. mewotoji. mewotoji. I am there. lost. mountains with clouds. a cry. a shout
    Eyes are shut. shut. and we say: watch us move. watch us shake. we’re so pretty. we’re so pretty. we say: watch us move now. watch us shake. we’re so pretty. shake our hands. shake our heads. we
    E our feet. we’re so fine. the way we move. the way we shake. we’re so nice.

  • Anonymous // July 16, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    I heard o the news tonight senator benn saying that they should register all guyanese coming in so as to know who is here and who has left.

    This is really a lotta long talk.

    Since the very senators themselves said in the debate today that when these guyanese come in they give one address at the immigration and then they cannot be found there.

    Why there fore not move to the obvious step – fingerprinting – most nations have already moved to that position.

    Registering guyanese will not stop them from giving wrong addresses and hiding out.

    This is the time for bajans to be calling the immigration and alerting them of places where illegal guyanese and other illegals are hiding out.

  • Anonymous // July 16, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    David

    Reading your post about the two strikingly different immigration positions of the BLP and the DLP in the senate debate – it has given me cause for serious pause.

    You see David it has brought home sharply to me how we have escaped quasi armaggaedon that would surely have visited us if the BLP were voted back in.

    When you hear evry BLP member of parliament – they speak with one voice on this issue – that is,this free flow of immigration must be allowed to continue and further we should allow them to enjoy the social services which we work so hard to pay for.

    This is why as a people we must never allow the BLP back in power for a very long,long time.

    Despite all that bajans were saying on the radio,on the blogs,in the newspapers,in the streets aboutnthis unchecked migration and the negative effects it was having – the BLP parliamentarians acted as though we the people are invisible – or our voices are silent.

    They are hell bent on destroying this country with these illegal immigrants.

  • Partial // July 16, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Yardbroom – you took the exact words right out of my mouth.

    If it is true that Faria has requested the B’dos gov’t to – what was the word – “muzzle” the blogs, then he has seriously overstepped his bounds in performing his role as Consul for Guyana in Barbados. He is getting involved in the politics of this country. He wants to dictate the Immigration laws and regulations pertaining to visiting Guyanese to this country. He is giving his opinion, offering unsolicited, undesired advice and issuing instructions to the government of the host country on how the host country should enforce their immigration policies and what the citizens of this country may and may not say.

    Has a complaint been made to the leader of Guyana that his consul is interfering in the internal policies of this country? If not, why not?

    If he is not recalled or put out, perhaps it is time for the consul and other Guyanese like him to set an example for their fellow countrymen and return to Guyana voluntarily. Take all their illegals with them – the prostitutes, the unskilled labour and all their children. There they will be able to offer all the advice they wish, muzzle whomever they wish and use all their policy making talents and other talents to make Guyana into the country it should be.

    Barbados is only 166 sq. miles and struggling. Guyana has more than enough space for its citizens. We don’t. And no – I am not zenophobic!

    How dare Faria tell this government to

  • Partial // July 16, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Sorry, guess the word is “censored” and not “muzzled”.

  • Hants // July 16, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    Barbados is one of the most densely populated Islands in the Caribbean.

    Why should we allow a freeflow of immigrants into the Island?

    Also, it is the responsibility of the Guyanese Government to run their country in a manner that will create enough employment for their own peoople.

    Simplistic but reasonable.

    I sincerely hope that the GOB is paying serious attention to Sewage treatment in Barbados.
    More people more excrement of epedemic proportions.

  • Hopi // July 16, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Barbados, let Palestine be your example.

  • David // July 16, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    Many of the BU family failed to mention that a VOB moderator Marsha (with a double barrel name) went to the microphone last night. She was the person who kept notes on her phone. She made relevant points consistent with several BU commenters. What we have found to be interesting is the on air views of media practioners totally conflict with personal.

    Makes us go ummmmmmmm

  • Warrior // July 16, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    Maybe Mr. Faria is voicing the opinion of the Guyanese government and the guyanese living in Barbados, which is shut up and get out.

    This situation has reached worrisome proportions, there is not an organization or place in Barbados that you call where you do not hear a guyanese voice, there is not a street, store, government dept that you go to that you don’t see a guyanese, they are now in our schools and all over.

    Perhaps one might not mind them so much if they were adding value to the country, but the women are single handedly responsible for destroying marriages and families in this country.

    The men bring another dimension to violence, drunkenness and disorderly behaviour. I have had a few interactions with guyanese and foolishly I tried to take the high road and say that everyone should be judged on their merit, sorry to say I am now a firm believer in stereo typing a guyanese is a guyanese wherever their are and will do any foul thing – I mean any foul thing to cement their position here in Barbados.

    It is time for us to get serious about our Immigration laws, and how guyanese and Jamaican women are granted status in this country, how they are integrated in to society and if they can give something positive for once to this country.

    We need to act and and act like last month.

  • David // July 16, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    The Nation newspaper makes for interesting reading today doesn’t it? Looks like the main press is jumping on the band wagon of popular opinion.

    It was pleasing to hear Prime Minister Thompson raise the question of planned migration among his CARICOM colleagues, which we hope was a precursor to his Government’s intention to pay closer attention to migration here. We also hope something similar to the “points” system adopted elsewhere will be adopted locally.

    The recent “open door” migration policy was sure to give birth to social dislocation – something we can ill afford.

    Full Article

  • CGID // July 17, 2008 at 12:56 am

    For Your Information (FYI)

    Mr. Faria is an Honorary Consul and not a full Consul. He is a Barbadian by birth – one of his parents is Guyanese. Maybe he will have to emigrate to Guyana after this is all over…. LOL

    Mr. Faria is NOT liked by most Guyanese here and there have been many attempts to have him replaced – with no success… he is a communist with fascist tendencies and emulates the PPP Guyana government which also has the same tendencies (they systematically repress and eliminate media and persons who criticise the way they run Guyanastan)

    The Government of Barbados should request his replacement by the Foreign Office in Guyana….for getting involved in requesting the muzzling of blogs and other controversial issues releted to the governance of Barbados…. but I doubt they would replace him unless the situation gets really hot… like it is now!

    While at it get rid of Ricky Singh – The Jagdeo apologist as well.,,, who supports muzzling the press that criticizes Jagdeo .. although he will deny it.

    There has to be some clearer understanding and agreement and clear implementation plan by the Barbadian government, as to how they would handle immigration. However with Mr. Faria sniping from the sidelines I think that tempers are being raised and in the end all Guyanese will suffer, and maybe some Barbadians as well.

    Peace! and Love!

  • The scout // July 17, 2008 at 2:23 am

    I know some of you bloggers are wondering why no comments from me. The truth is, I’m tired blogging on this subject. Robot, don’t you see, yes that Norman Fartier is trying desperately to cause a disturbance in this country. You people seem to have short memories, I told you only a few weeks ago that this is the way the scrip will play out. When they see that they are on the losing end, they would destablise this country and hurt our tourist industry. I would say this again, if this happens we’re doomed. We would fall farther down than guyana and these same guyanese would move out and try the same thing somewhere else. I am afraid, there is too much talk and no action, every day that passes makes it that much more difficult. i like what I hear from the senate yesterday but I think that by year end MASSIVE damage can or will be done to this country by these people. Only if you knew who lives in this country.

  • The scout // July 17, 2008 at 2:31 am

    I’m trying hard to say little of what’s happening in this country. Like South Africa,where both whites and blacks were killing blacks, in Barbados some barbadians, for money, is feeding the guyanese situation, some of these people are in prominent positions. This whole volcano will erupt soon and the devastation is going to be great. I,ve stop blogging that much but I’m preparing to make an exit when this gets serious. I’m not running but unless bajans are willing to stand up for their right, I will take the easy way out. UNITED WE STAND; DIVIDED WE FALL.

  • Bimbro // July 17, 2008 at 3:41 am

    I have n’t read the entire article, yet, but get the gist of it and thus have one thing to say to Norman Faria and it’s this!!

    KMRH!!!! If he’s lived in Bim for some time it should n’t give him too, much difficulty to decipher what that means!!!!

    KEEP ON BLOGGING BU AND KEEP ON CRITICISING THE INDO GUYANESE IF U FEEL SO JUSTIFIED IN DOING!!!! We don’t want to become like that mad, state, Guyana!!!!

  • Anonymous // July 17, 2008 at 4:40 am

    David

    I think the person you are referring to from VOB is Marsha Knight-Layne and she is not a member of staff of VOB.

    She apparently is a moderator of one of the call in shows who is on from time to time.

    To GCID:

    Norman Faria does not have bajan parentage and he spoke to this over 15 years ago – he came here as a very young boy,was allowed to attend school here and got married to a dominican lady living in barbados and had a daughter.

    I don’t know who he is married to now – but he definetly came as a refuge to barbados.

    Yes I agree with Scout and those who believe that some guyanese are trying to create havoc in barbados.

    Notice how from time to time some guyanese the latest being satyendra will tell you that soon barbados is going to be in such a devastating state that bajans will be rushing to guyana.

    Wishful thinking you say?

    Most caribbean countries don’t like us and are very envious of us – and can’t understand how we managed to maintain a stable economy with virtually little natural resources.They will love to see barbados brought down.

    Guyana and guyanese wants this more than anyone else.You notice how fixated they are on how barbados and bajans don’t treat them well – even though every country whether it is antigua,trinidad,st marteen send them back packing to guyana.

    Yet even as they and their corrupt president target Barbados for their criticism – they can’t stay out of barbados.

    I must tell you that guyanese now sicken me,and I don’t feel any goodwill towards them which I used to in the past.

    We have reached where we are chiefly because of owen arthur.

    First we had owen arthur who took our money and he and his cohorts stole and plundered the treasury,gave away money through questionable contracts to their friends and their families – and borrowed at reckless levels to ensure that there was enough borrowed money at hand to fatten their bank account.

    Their rationale was – let bajans and the DLP deal with the mess that followed – who cares?

    Then we had the guyanese problem – everyone in guyana knew that under an owen arthur administration barbados was just another part of guyana – so just as you could travel from buxton to agricola – so guyanese felt they could freely travel from georgetown to bridgetown and live without any restictions or proper documentation.

    Borderless countries indeed.

    Under the owen arthur administration – my sweet,lovely barbados faced humiliation in the international arena as the U.S. government did secret investigations and found that Barbados had now become a nation which was engaging in human trafficking,in other words protistution.

    Yes you guessed it – these prostitiutes were mainly coming from guyana – and SENIOR BLP ADMINISTRATION PERSONS WERE INVOLVED – ACCORING TO THE USA REPORT.

    Now some of these said guyanese are holding bajan passports – and sooner rather than later the wonderful bajan image and reputation which Liz Thompson spoke about in the senate yesterday ( ie how she discovered as a minister of government how highly regared bajans are internationally) – well that would soon be as mud – as guyanese now holding bajan passports – and calling themselves bajans – would move throughout the world ‘as bajans’ and engage in the same nasty behaviour they are so used to engaging in – when at home in guyana.

    Thank you owen arthur – thank you a whole lot.

    You **###@** drunken,tiefin disgrace.

    That is why freundel staurt put you in your place in parliament when you got up last week to pompaset and get on as though your hands are clean – and you are now somehow a decent,graceful old statesman politician.

    Go drink yuhself to oblivion somewhere – you who destroyed barbados.

  • Anonymous // July 17, 2008 at 5:08 am

    As if to prove my point about the actions overseas of guyanese living in barbados – well Today’s Nation has a story about a bajan fisherman who along with a guyanse with an indian sounding name were held in st vincent.

    The bajan is from st philip while the guyanese lives in st lucy.

    The charges of drug possesion and trafficking were made against the guyanese who pleaded guilty,but charges were dropped against the bajan.

    It serves the bajan right – one wilton brathwaite.

    I keep saying all bajans who join up with guyanese to aid and abet guyanese to break the law, or who provide assistance in any way without questioning these guyanese and their usual unsrupulous behaviour – then these bajans should feel the full weight of the law.

    I hav no sympathy for them – if you are hiding bout guyanese,or taking money to apply for work permits for them,or marrying them to get bajan citizenship – then the book should be thown at you.

  • JC // July 17, 2008 at 6:01 am

    Scout I dont believe i read that you want to run! You MAD!

    NEVER! We have made Barbados what it is today we refuse to let the Guyanese come and destroy it; I know it seems as if it is a failing subject but dont give up.

    Those people dont care about us we are united, we WILL eat norman faria raw! I AM NOT GOING ANYWHERE!

    If a war starts I will be up front and center and I know I aint frighten. This is shite pure shite how can this government alow that ass Faria to destroy bajans in such a humiliating way DLP wannah in trouble hear!

    If you all allow these people to continue to say and do as they please then this country will go to civil war!

    I heard somebody at work and on the block say if the Guyanese think that they will win they lie!

    However, I think that the government needs to step in and step in as somebody said like next month!

    This is getting SERIOUS! This thing is going to explode ya hear! I cn feel it in my bones, Scout YOU ARE NOT GOING NO WHERE!

    Barbados belongs to you and you must never give up what is rightfully yours this is SHITE in the stinkest form!

    BARBADOS WE IN TROUBLE I CAN FEEL IT!

    dlp I am pleading hurry up and do something yeah bajans are goingto blow sooner rather than later dotn believe me wait and see!

    I saw the young lady marsha and she was pist at that ms. davis and their comments; I saw her in the background saying that they were not dealing with the issues facing bajans, she was so pist that she left early! ha ha ha.

    ALL ILLEGAL FOREIGNERS GO HOME!

  • Bimbro // July 17, 2008 at 6:07 am

    In fact, BU family, IMO, ANY foreigner, however high or low a personage who endeavours to subvert our democracy and freedom of speech in such a way, should be denounced as persona non grata and expelled from our country!!

  • The scout // July 17, 2008 at 6:31 am

    JC
    It bothers me that administration is dragging their feet on this potentially dangerous situation. Even though the DLP are speaking out now, this is reactionary. The damage has already been done not by then but by the other party. This gov’t CANNOT delay, in 5 months these guyanese can destablise this country. If the police are going to raid somewhere, should they inform on the day of the raid? What the gov’t should be doing is (even now ) turn up by one of these guyanese gathering ( fairchild street for instance ) load them up and deport them. The problem is, if certain bajan immigration officers hear, they would inform them. JC I am willing to defend my country and my offspring but there are too many talkers; action is speedily required. I tired talking

  • The scout // July 17, 2008 at 6:39 am

    I know of a ” respected bajan man” who is doing some work on his house. A mixture of local and guyanese were working on the house, now I’m seeing ALL guyanese. I heard that the guyanese bad talk the locals and lower there prices and run the bajans. I never expected a man of his calibre will do that to his own people. I may be wrong but I believe these guyanese are illegal. That’s why when I hear normad fartier talkig shite I feel like walking up to him and bussin he mout.

  • The scout // July 17, 2008 at 6:41 am

    Bajans because of greed are selling out their birthright.

  • JC // July 17, 2008 at 6:44 am

    Scout if you want us to march to show that we are serious let me no the time venue and date as Ruppe says in his song I will be there.

    Do not give on your country I have not Owen has the country in a MESS! Sometimes I cannot understand how persons could have voted for a man who said he had guyanese working on his house.

    These people seemed to be hypnotised. I never liked when he made that statement at all.

    I could not believe that Norman Faria got up and offended so many bajans. At one point in time one of my colleagues had to stop my foot from shaking I was so MAD! Imagine you are in people’s country and are bold enough to tell persons what to discuss on our air waves.

    I am vex is ass scout TELL ME THE DATE!

    I READY THIS IS PURE SHITE!

    NOT BOUT HERE THIS IS ONE THAT AINT ENDING SO!

    I am not waiting like the fijans or any other nationality a 100 years to rebel I ready right now!

    FARIA LEAVE!

  • Adrian Hinds // July 17, 2008 at 7:22 am

    I think a read of the following link, will give anyone a good view of how long this debate has been going on. Some believe that the middle class were dragging their feet when the working class were the one affected This link can prove this. Others who think the Owen Arthur and BLP should share the most responsibility for this current mess? Your proof is in this link. From 4 years to present. Read and see how an overly pragmatice disposition can disadvantage you.

    http://www.barbadosforum.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=1330&view=findpost&p=11105

  • Bimbro // July 17, 2008 at 7:37 am

    Technician, not so long ago, u waxed lyrical about the saving graces of Bajan workmen on Bajan building sites, and not living there, I believed you. Now, I read the following. Are u both right, or do u live in differnt Barbadoses!!!!

    ********************

    Heaven // July 16, 2008 at 10:09 am

    There are many illegal immigrants from all over the Caribbean not only Guyana working in Barbados.I live near several construction sites and the variety of accents heard daily is amazing.
    Meanwhile our young able bodied men are content to sleep all morning , sell stolen local fruit , or illegal dvds , in Swan Street or beg for a few dollars.

    As for the Bajan middle class who sat by while Owen Arthur flooded this small island with Guyanese and said nothing , their time has come.

    Many Barbadians are unable to get jobs because local companies are applying for work permits for Trinidadians, Jamaicans , Dominicans anyone but a Bajan.Our own BNB has loans officers on work permits , from Guyana and Trinidad.Local subsidaries of regional companies are employing foreign sales reps on work permits to sell liquor and cigarettes.

    *********************

    My worry is the Barbadians are adopting the lazy, rasta-lifestyle to a much greater extent than Tech is revealing and thus providing the Guyanese with a way-in to just about every aspect of Bajan life!!

    The Guyanese MUST be stopped!! Right or wrong, just or unjust, given the slightest opportunity, the Guyanes will take over every aspect of Bajan life and be more successful at it than the Bajans and enslave the Bajans in our own country, essentially, because Indians/Asians are money-crazy and will do anything and are more, successful at acquiring it than we are!!!!

  • Bimbro // July 17, 2008 at 7:43 am

    On the other hand, perhaps, we could benefit from some competition from the Indo/Guyanese to force Barbadians to get off their backsides and work harder?!!!!

  • Anonymous // July 17, 2008 at 7:47 am

    Scout,

    Scout,hear me – I know you right.

    There are immigration officers within the system – from the top to the bottom – from the chief immigration officer to the lowest junior officer – who are corrupt,take bribes from guyanese and cannot be trusted with any confidential information about raids – even within the police service there are some corrupt police who are part of the guyanese scam.

    I am sure Ms Mcclean must already be getting information from decent bajans whether citizens or immigration officers about the nasty,corrupt,treacherous bajan immigration officers.

    Oh by the way,are there stiil the guyanese immigration officers here?

    The ones owen arthur brought in to oversee the bajan officers?

    Can you believe this thing,a sovereign country – having responsibility for the security of its borders by its own nationals,and yet a prime minister – one stinkin,drunken,tiefin owen arthur – brings in another country’s immigration officers to keep check on we own people?

    I believe a march is in order and I will fully and wholeheartedly support it.

    One should be held in bridgetown the first saturday,then in speighstown the next saturday and then in six roads st philip the final saturday.

    Get the necessary police permission,get high profile people like leroy mcclean of the Dlp/UWI (do not invite the PEP) and you can have people like vincent layne help to coordinate the six roads march,I don’t know if glenroy straugh although elderly will help with the speighstown march,and then the organiser and another high profile person for the city march.

    For 3 straight saturdays barbados will have to confront this issue.

    What do other bloggers think?

    Speak up now and say your piece and stop hiding behind the voices of others.

    STOP BEING SO PASSIVE PEOPLE!

  • Anon27 // July 17, 2008 at 8:06 am

    I have two thoughts for Mr. Faria to consider.

    SEDITION – Conduct which is directed against a government and which tends toward insurrection but does not amount to treason. Treasonous conduct consists of levying war against a sovereign country or of adhering to its enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

    The raising commotions or disturbances in the state; it is a revolt against legitimate authority.

    The distinction between sedition and treason consists in this, that though its ultimate object is a violation of the public peace, or at least such a course of measures as evidently engenders it, yet it does not aim at direct and open violence against the laws, or the subversion of the Constitution.

    TREASON
    # a crime that undermines the offender’s government
    # disloyalty by virtue of subversive behavior
    # treachery: an act of deliberate betrayal

  • The scout // July 17, 2008 at 8:21 am

    Now I hearing real lyrics. Stop hiding behind a name and come out for your family, relatives and country. Lots of you will come out and wuk up for kadooment, that O.K but also come out in our numbers for our country.

  • Jay // July 17, 2008 at 9:14 am

    Well at least there is some progress.

    http://www.nationnews.com/story/292171464915330.php

    “IT CAN’T WORK SO!
    Published on: 7/17/08.

    by ALBERT BRANDFORD

    GOVERNMENT says it will put an immediate halt to issuing work permits to non-nationals unless the requirement of training a local replacement is enforced.

    The warning came yesterday from Leader of Public Business in the Senate, Senator Maxine McClean, who was introducing the Immigration (Amendment and Validation) Bill 2008.

    McClean, who is also Minister in the Prime Minister’s Office, noted there had been a tradition where when work permits were offered – particularly the long-term documents of three years and more – that there was an assumption there would be some serious effort made to train Barbadians.

    “I discovered on assuming office and responsibility for immigration,” she added, “when I met with some personnel in the Immigration Department, I kept hearing a chorus: ‘We used to do that, we used to do that . . . .’

    “I can say . . . that this Government, through the appropriate office, has taken a decision that it will no longer be ‘used to do’,” McClean declared.

    The minister said meetings had been held with representatives of the Immigration Department, the ministries of education, labour and tourism – as a major employer of various levels of professionals – to revisit the procedure to be put in place to address the issue.

    “It is necessary that practice stand alongside policy and formal procedure,” she added, “and when our practice falls away, we see clearly the demise of all that we seek to achieve.” “

  • Negroman // July 17, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Negroman is all for the marches.I will be up front .This shit must stop.We are on the verge of a civil uprising.Negroman will be up front.Iam prepare to die for my country.I agreed with The Scout stop talking and ACTION ACTION.
    I am so piss off that I do not know what to say.
    Charges of Treason & High Treason should be bought against drunkard and corrupt stinkin Owen Seymour Arthur He has caused us to be in this state today.
    I am going to solicit support for the marches.
    Barbadians from all walks of life get up rise up out of your slumber show bravery,do not be afraid join us in our marches to save Barbados from the detestable guyanese especially the wicked,racist Indo guyanese like stinkin Norma Faria.

  • Partial // July 17, 2008 at 10:17 am

    Is it time to start calling names of middle class or any class Bajan men who facilitate the entry of illegal indo-Guyanese women to Bdos. Is it time to start calling the names of prominent construction companies who hire illegal indo Guyanese. Contrary to a lot of opinions about low wages, many of these men are taking home $125 a day. I can call names. This info can be confirmed. Another man has a longterm relationship with his livein Bajan woman. Got married to a indo Guyanese and all 3 living in the same house. Suits everyone because the indo is the live in maid, cooks, cleans, gets outside jobs as a maid. This is clearly a marriage of convenience. Another man at the Licensing Authority has a married illegal indo living at his house. Just had a baby. The indo husband still in Bdos. What the hell is going on in this country.

    Any of these people paying income tax, NIS or VAT at all??

    Check out Accra beach Sat. or Sun. pm. Truck loads of them drinking and real real loud. The real problem is that these people don’t mix with Bajan blacks. Time to clean up this place. I can start calling names that can be verified.

    The Chinese and scruffy POOR European women who marry the scruffy black men too. Bare half breed POOR children from POOR parents bout here. Watchout schools. Watchout polyclinics and QEH. Black bajans getting tek ovah.

    And NO. I am definitely not zenophobic.

  • Anonymous // July 17, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Partial

    Yes,Yes,Yes!

    It IS TIME to start calling names of the people who are so -called big ups and others who are ordinary bajans who are encouraging these illegal and legal gyanese to engage in illegal stuff.

    Who is the licensing office that married the indian guyanese woman so she can stay in barbados – name the name – that way the immigration department can secretly do a raid or check up on that marriage.

    If he does not care that his greedy selfish behaviour is causing disaster for our children and grandchildren in the future – then let barbados know who he is.

    Yes,name the company who is hiring illegal guyanese over bajans.

    Yes Scout name the midlle class so – called respectable bajan who is building his house and who dismissed the bajans construction workers for cheaper guyanese ones.

    I will start by asking these questions? Is it true that dennis kellman has some indian guyanese working at him in moontown?

    What is rodney wilkinson’s – owen arthur best friend relationship – with guyanese protitutes?

    Was he part of that USA report on human trafficking/prostitution in barbados?

    Who is the immigration officer responsible for that work permit stamp that disappeared?

    Who is the person in silver hill that sells these guyanese our precious foreigh exchange – which according to the central bank regulations – is against the law?

    Why did the chief immigration officer Mr greaves allow back into barbados that guyanese prostitute who was deported back to guyana 5 times and boldly stated she was coming back into barbados.

    Who is or are the immigration officer or officers who receive the bribes for giving out a bajan passport?

    Please, those with the information let us the public of barbados know.

  • Anonymous // July 17, 2008 at 11:14 am

    David/BU

    Peter wickham is discussing on VOB the film shown on tuesday about the guyanese and as per usual he is criticising the reaction of the persons who criticise him anonymously on the blogs.

    My question is why is it difficult to respond to the comments on the blog as posted , how does the fact that people usinga ‘handle and posting detract from the point they are making?

    He is also criticising the position taken by maxine mcclean of the DLP – re changes to the immigration policy.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 17, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Peter Wickham is a one man show with no creditability on this issue. Let him rant, let him rave, let him pontificate in the vacuous waste of so called intellectual debate, at the end of the day his words and belief will have to answer to the reality of race relations in Guyana and amongst Guyanese whereever they settle, and this is what he has to overcome. Don’t forget folks for all that he says always remember that PETER WICKHAM HAS NO USES FOR BORDERS.

  • ROBOT // July 17, 2008 at 11:35 am

    STOP WRONGFULLY BLAMING OWEN ARTHUR FOR EVERYTHING

    MAN HAVE A HEART !

    It is so easy to find a scapegoat that we distort the situation with our emotion

  • JC // July 17, 2008 at 11:46 am

    If I JC know of any names at all I calling them we must get these people out WWITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT!

    We are under threat Barbados

    I WILL MARCH UP AND DOWN TOWN AND COUNTRY!

    Just tell me where to turn up and I am there, I will see if my friends are bold enough but I dont care about what people say or think, I LOVE my Barbados and not a boy will stop me from defending my country!

    Next thing when will Owen be charged!

    annh I am listening. I read the site given by
    AH and you believe dah man had we soooooo brainwash (well not me for sure) we like we thought he was the best thing since slice bread I cant even laff I am so pist off!

    NORMAN FARIA leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvv

    from bout here you devious manipulative person!

  • Adrian Hinds // July 17, 2008 at 11:53 am

    ROBOT // July 17, 2008 at 11:35 am

    STOP WRONGFULLY BLAMING OWEN ARTHUR FOR EVERYTHING

    MAN HAVE A HEART !

    It is so easy to find a scapegoat that we distort the situation with our emotion
    =================================
    First of all i charge Owen Arthur for this immigration mess, for cussing the police and immigration officers into complacentcy, for willfully integrating our economy into CSME at a time when no other member country would complete the changes to their laws and other requirements to facilitate the integration. I charge Owen Arthur for now daring to lay blame on this new government for what he terms sending the wrong signals about caribbean integration at a time when OUR ECONOMY IS SO DEPENDENT ON THEM. These are my charges, now tell me why I am so WRONG to blame him??

    Over to you Robot.

  • Negroman // July 17, 2008 at 11:57 am

    I have a black guyanese friend who works in construction and he mentioned that Innotech services Limited ,Rotherley Construction Limited & the construction company that is building that criminal Peter Harris of CGI Insurance fame condominiums in St James.There are other construction sites that usually do not hire blacks neither guyanese or locals.

  • Negroman // July 17, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    D o not worry about that pervert nasty Peter Wickham.Anytime a man can participate in alternative sexual lifestyle he will stand for anything.He has no morals no decency nothing he is nuisance.
    I forgot JADA Construction

  • Anonymous // July 17, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Innotech services is run by a guyanese – Dasilva.

    Negroman what is the name of the construction firm building peter harris condominiums?

    Remember peter harris is an indian from India who along with his mother – an indian doctor – and his brother came here small and went to school here.

    Although he has black friends an indian is an indian at heart.

    He is so smart that he is a friend of owen arthur ( one of the few that went to owen’s wedding) and he is also a friend of thompson.

    Got his fingers in every pie.

    David thompson is surronded by indians who will subtly and not so subtly try to influence him and his policies.

    I am referring to abdul pandor – owns a lot of buildings in the city,peter harris,krishwami or whatever his name is,esther suckoo ( half indian/half black) david estwick although somehow I don’t believe no indian wife could tell estwick what to do and others.

    Only strong political will by thompson and sustained aggressive action by black bajans will force a change in the direction this country is heading in.

    Again review all the citizenship and permanent residences approved during the last 15 years – and revoke them where necessary Ms Mcclean.

  • Warrior // July 17, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    We created this monster, we have to be resolute in destroying it.

    Here is the part we played.

    1. The wufless bajan men started going to guyana and buying sex with a block of cheddar cheese and a few US dollars on weekends.

    2. Those same wufless men then pick up what ever was left for them (most Barbadians believe that guyanese wuk obeah on the men, you know what serves them right) came back to Barbados and got rid of girlfriends and wives to bring in the guyanese women so that they could get housekeeping and sexual favours.

    3. The wufless bajan men spending all their money in what they now calling “gentlemen club” like matador down there by Synagouge lane, jumping the bones of these guyanese and jamaican prostitutes and then have to end up marrying them. Tough luck.

    4. Unscrupulous employers looking to get more bang for their buck employing known illegal guyanese.

    5. Slum lords renting out 2×4 spaces with common kitchen and bathroom facilities to people who don’t know one another, imaging the social ramifications of these squalid conditions, it is hard for families what about perfect strangers. Never in my born days has this been so rampant, it is even happening in the heights and terraces just ask the former constituency office secretary for Dame Bullie Millar – Abeda Adams, she has her entire house – located in the hieghts no less – rented out in rooms

    6. Dishonest and underhanded middle class householders want their houses cleaned for next kin to free but in the end had their household items, jewelry, clothing and husbands stolen from them.

    7. The marauders embodied as the BLP party with their agenda to destroy Barbados by any means necessary refused to insist that agencies implemented to protect this country from any kind of threat do their blasted job.

    8. Corruption can done from all and sundry in Immigration, law enforcement, social partners to the ordainary citizens.

    Having said all of that here are my solutions.

    I. It is evident that illegal guyanese have become cocky, there are specific places they hang out. Lease some planes and get a few honest customs and immigration personnel to work some over time and fly them back to guyana and jamaica.

    II. put a ban or limit the amount of guyanese and jamaican women allowed to enter Barbados per year.

    III. Shut down the whore houses and “gentlemen clubs”

    IV. Carefully screen the marriages and pregnancies of guyanese and jamaican women. Our health care system should not be further abuse by uncaring people who only want a free fix for HIV/AIDS. This is the scary one if this is left unchecked we have two issues, the black race will be on the decline in this country and the will be entirely wiped out by AIDS by 2015.

    V. Lengthen the time and tighten the procedure for giving status to women who are marrying stupid bajan men.

    VI. Stamp out corruption AT ALL LEVELS OF SOCIETY. Let corruption be the exception and not the general rule of thumb as it is now.

    VII.put a better tracking system in place for these illegal immigrants.

    VIII. Run a campaign to encourage Barbadians to stop destroying Barbados.

    IX. PRAY, PRAY, PRAY. I have no intention of running any where I love my country I love being a Barbadian and that entails, such as pride, industry, hospitality.

  • Negroman // July 17, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Anonymous I do not know the name of the construction company building Peter Harris’s condominiums but I know the company employs more indians than blacks.Remember last year I believe when a black barbadian worker was dismissed from that work site and he went to the press and indicated that blacks were not being hire by that company.Remember that Peter Harris responded in the Nation Newspaper that he has about If my memory serves me correctly about 120 workers.He broke it down and he said about 80 or 90 of those workers are from Guyana.Can you believe that.Check the archives of the nation for the
    story.
    Anonymous you are so right about Peter Harris He has connections in both political parties.He finance that scum bag Owen Arthur’s wedding and his brother Thomas Harris owner of Josefs Restaurant did the catering.
    Anonymous I am happy that you are also observing that indians are positioning themseleves in both political parties.As I mentioned previously a few indians are on boards in Barbados. The same degeneric Peter Harris is the chairman of the Combermere School board.Chatrani is a member of another board,Abdul Pandor is the chairman of the National Housing Corporation ,A Mr Singh is a member of the Film Censorship Board and other indians are on other boards.Remeber also that the Democratic Labour Party is the only political party in the history of Barbados that ran indian candidates.Abdul Pandor in 1999 & Taan Abeds in 2008
    Bloggers be vigilant.

  • Anonymous // July 17, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Warrior
    I anon agree with all of your 9 solutions.

    I also include the solution of ‘introducing fingerprinting at the airport and seaport to get a clear handle on who is coming in to barbados.

    Also citizenship must not be so easy anymore.A person should have to wait until they are third generation bajan before they beome a citizen – other countries do it.

    If they qualify that is they are ist and 2nd generation bajan born then they must only get permanent residence ,and not citizenship.

    Put a high fine for persons renting,employing or colluding with any illegal persons whether those jamaican whores that you refer to warrior,or the guyanese ones or those from columbia.

    ALL illegals must be sent out – including the chineese – and this is where fingerprinting is going to help the immigration because both the chineese and the indian very smartly use their first name as their last and their last name as their first whenever they try to get back into the country after being deported.

    Example baldeo dasram and then later on they call them selves ram baldeo. same with the chineese – sung lee kwan and then later lee sung.

    Barbados is a desirable loation and now the marish and the parish want to come here.

    Thank God we got rid of owen and his people in time.

  • JC // July 17, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    In the Black Rock area I have to find out the exact place. They are soem illegal immigrants who keep noise and drink and behave in a rather offensive manner to an old lady near by. I have already called immigration and I will continue to call them!

    Norman Faria you have created a rage in me that cannot be cooled!

  • Negroman // July 17, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Chris Halsall I am still standing by for your response

  • The scout // July 17, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Negroman
    You forgot to mention Creative Designs Construction. Their job at Palm Court, Hastings is 90% non-barbadian with a great percentage guyanese. I was told that some rediculous work is being done there. In the end bajans will be blamed for most of these problems because it’s done here.

  • Reaganomics // July 17, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/immig_emig/england/berkshire/article_2.shtml

    Racism

    Despite the attraction of coming to Britain as their “Mother Country”, Barbadians did not find life entirely smooth running. The British Nationality Act, 1948, recognised and gave preferential treatment to people who were “citizens of the independent Commonwealth countries”, in this case, Barbados. In the 1960s and 1970s, more and more British colonies attained independence and became independent Commonwealth countries.

    Public opinion about the government’s immigration policy was being agitated by political activities. Enoch Powell,
    Pat Cutting enjoys the BAFA social life
    © Pat Cutting
    Conservative MP for Wolverhampton South West, provoked racial tensions with his “Rivers of Blood” speech, in April 1968 in which he questioned the right of Commonwealth immigrants to come into the country at will.

    But that did not deter people from either coming or staying. Pat Cutting came to the UK from Barbados in 1963 and went straight into senior schooling where she experienced racism personally: “Most Barbadians felt that coming to the ‘Mother Country’, having known Barbados as Little England, there wouldn’t be any problem, you’d just be accepted to do what you had to do, if you wanted to stay – you stay, or if you wanted to go back – you’d go back, but there was an awful lot of racism about.”

    After finishing school, Pat started work in London and, with promotion, was relocated to Reading. It was there that she first came into contact with the growing Barbadian community in this town 40 miles to the west of London.

    She remembers the community’s growth in the 60’s and 70’s,
    BAFA hold sociable committee meetings
    © Pat Cutting
    “Initially Barbadians would do their own thing, and keep themselves to themselves, and the black community would get together in the various homes as there was nowhere to go – they’d play dominoes, talk politics and chat. They were a community at work too, with so many of them working in local factories such as Gillette’s, Mars, Burberry’s, Huntley and Palmers and of course the Royal Berkshire Hospital – they became a significant part of the workforce.”

  • J // July 18, 2008 at 1:06 am

    Oh dear Warrior. You make Bajan men sound so bad and so foolish. Remind to to pray each morning as I wake up:

    “Dear God I think you that I am not a Bajan man”

  • J // July 18, 2008 at 1:10 am

    “Dear God I thank you that I am not a Bajan man”

  • Anonymous // July 18, 2008 at 1:33 am

    David

    Here we have someone who is so dishonest they post under 3 different names,peltdownman,reganomics and anonymous to give the impresion they are different people.

    They don’t challenge bloggers’ comments with a contrasting point and perhaps an example or a quote – (as adrian pointed out in another thread),but they just copy and paste long,long,articles without referencing anything.

    What are bloggers supposed to respond to,how does it help the debate if just somebody’s comments or speeches are posted with no analysis done.

    Is this an attempt to throw the discussion off track and do you allow persons to present themselves with different handles as though they are someone else to perhaps confuse or dupe some readers ?

    At least when PDC posts their long piece they are in their own rambling way specifically dealing point by point with the topic in question.

    Pelt down man is not new to me – he from his writings on BFP and on this blog – seem to be of white extraction and does not favour the call for getting rid of these large illegal groups and more particularly the control of the indo ethnic group.

    I believe peltdownman should be made to stick to the unwritten rule – that is -stick to the issue at hand and not swamp the blog with copy and paste.

    You know if you were not strong and dogged in your determination you would have caved in to the subtle and not so subtle attempts to do so and deny us the people of barbados with a voice and the government of barbados with an idea of how its people are feeling.

    Let peltdownman stick to one handle as he knows he would be required to do with BFP,and if he copies and paste let him do with small pieces as a quote or example to a specific point or at least point us to a link so that we could go there ourself instead.

    Sometimes I get the feeling that some of these persons like the same reganomics/peltdownman are not interested in discussing in a sensible way what most of these bloggers feel and disagreeing if they care too – but they just really want us to shut up.

    I think some people with vested interests are begining to get worried.

  • CGID // July 18, 2008 at 2:28 am

    Hi J: i am a Bajan man living overseas, but I visit Bim, T&T and Guyana regularly.

    Have you ever wondered why many Bajan men- including your politicians do not marry Bajan women – Think about it – Investigate – ask in-depth questions… You would be amazed at the answers… esp if you are a Bajan woman..

    I find that Bajan men love GT women because those women ( of all races) are culturally brought up to respect and “look after their man in every way. Many Bajan woman want the man to cook for them … that a reversal of roles to most GT men and women – although that is changing… but most GT woman makes sure her man is always fed and loved… for she knows there is always competition out there.

    Some Bajan men cannot appreciate the good life a GT woman gives and are suspicious… it is not the norm for them. I find many Bajan women very money oriented and “cold” towards men… not that some GT woman are not as well… but I think it is the fact that a lot of Bajan women did not get the love from a father at home and a loving mother … loving, respecting and caring for their father. Many Bajan men seem to be discarded and disrespected by their women…. ” He no Good!”… so what do you expect!

    Of course these are generalizations made by an overseas observer – but I have talked with various Bajan men, so” J ” and others do not be too sorry for Bajan men… they seem to be enjoying the GT culture, that is why LIAT to GT is full on weekends with Bajan men., and there is competition for GT women in Bim…. GT women sweeeeetttt. Maybe sexual jealousy may be part of the problem with Bajan women. Just be more feminine my Bajan woman .. less bossy… and treat your men right.

    I know tha the “illegal immigration” pr is a serious subject which I have already commented on. It seems that the govt will introduce new policies on this matter. The question is WHEN and HOW they would be implemented and monitored. Then even your politicians will marry you…

    Peace!

  • queen // July 18, 2008 at 4:37 am

    @CGID
    It is not that many bajan men do not marry bajan women – it is that bajan women refused to marry many bajan men and the reason that is so is because alot of them have absolutely have no class, no desire to get ahead, no knowledge of how to be respectful to their womenfolk and no vision of where they want to be in the future. I know first hand as I am not married to a bajan man for that reason. I have no regrets and when I listen to my associates who are involved with bajan men, the majority list the same reasons for their fustrations but even more so, they desire not to be decent and commit to one woman. If you look at it, those that are in high positions in society usually meet their spouses while studying at a university or college, where these relationships are fostered, that’s normal. But the bajan man who has, say a Guyanese are usually being used by that guyanese woman to acquire legal status. What I mean is that the unintelligent lower class male is being used to prostitute his citizenship. Look at middleclass bajan men – they are usually committed to working for their families and usually have bajan wives that’s because, they have enough common sense to see beyond they present situation. I am indian mix with black but my choice of a british husband had only to do with the fact that the bajan men I encountered, never spoke properly, could never used the word ‘thank you’, wanted to live for today, found it necessity to have more than one woman and most importanly, had no vision of the future. I do admire alot of the middleclass men in society but it is my observation that the lowerclass choses to think like a lowerclass person and sees himself next to a foreigner as promotion into a society that was denied him instead of educating himself. I am not putting down what I consider to be lowerclass because some people cannot help the situation they are in and some people in lowerclass do what is sensible to get themselves out of the situation and change their standard of living but people need to wake up, the bajan women is a highly intelligent and confident women who knows where she’s going and who she’s taking with her and it is not the lower level thinking male.

  • queen // July 18, 2008 at 4:48 am

    By the way CGID, I grew up in a home with a wonderful dad, he showed me how a man should threat a woman – so I know what I am talking about he is one of the best bajan dads around and I absolutely love him for it.

  • boredickey // July 18, 2008 at 5:30 am

    Why can’t we have Faria’s email address published on this blog?

  • JC // July 18, 2008 at 7:05 am

    Good morning, CGID how can you say things like that about your mother aunt, sisters and cousins.

    I refuse to say f#*#3 up things about our bajan men. One should not believe in pity but Lord man I pity you!

    How could you say that bajan women dont know how to treat their man. I have a bajan man and he is not a bag of chips with the dip but he is MY BAJAN MAN!

    Do you realise that these men who marry these Guyanese women are most of the times tricked into this agreement by using rat tails and thier hair which the guyanese woman ‘lovingly shaved off!)

    Some persons reading this will think it is funny. It is not funny it is SERIOUS! Imagine a bajan man had a bajan woman for 10 years, she gave him children fed him suffered with him, sacrificed nice panties and brassiers so their children could never want basic necessities. When lo and behold he comes home and tell you to leave he got a guyanese and furthermore they are married!

    and then you tell me that bajan women dont know how to treat her man!

    Bajan women sacrifice, give up their aspirations study and work HARD IS ASS to achieve things which persons would have said are unachievable. At that same time she still studies, excercise and still come home and cook for her man! Why cant the man at times cook is it only a woman’s thing to do!

    What about when you realsie that you have become impotent and your only means of showing your ‘man power’ lol has been ‘limped’ and you cannot satisfy this GT Woman what will you do!

    What about when she told you that she has no children and you marry her and then see 4 children at your house cause they now have to call you daddy! and wait it gets more interesting what about the man that she introduces to you and claims “he is my brother” then you forgot something come home and lo and behold it is incest ha ha ha!

    How can you class bajan women with these persons! Pleasssse stop it I dont feel comfortable with the comparison!

  • Anonymous // July 18, 2008 at 7:50 am

    Everyone

    CGID – is a guyanese overseas group based in new york.

    I was about to post this information last night so bloggers will not respond to this obvious attempt to agitate you.

    This cgid has posted before – and they are guyanese.Read carefully what they have written and you will quickly realise that person could not be bajan or have lived in barbados for any long time.That stupid across the board statement.

    We have to learn to ignore some of the more obvious stupid statements by people whose intentions are clear – not to engage us in a discussion – but to rile us up.

    Look for this continuing to happen – the guyanese will come on this site and throw out some loose shots and then disappear – then they will return with a different name and do the same thing all over agian.

    I would suggest that unless it is absolutely necessary to respond to them – we should all ignore them – and then they will get the message.

  • JC // July 18, 2008 at 8:11 am

    You see how vile these people are becoming as to shut us up! It is not working!

    I am going to advocate to get these people out~!

    I am no politician or have no big job but at least I have common sense and I know that these people have come to take over they have started to prove this by controlling the media. The media HAS BECOME A PUSSY CAT!

  • Wishing In Vain // July 18, 2008 at 8:20 am

    It maybe a sign of the times a blp stalwart with no power or control demits office, or was he to frustrated by the bias shown by his paper and radio stations???

    SIR FRED GOLLOP, Chairman of One Caribbean Media Limited (OCM), has confirmed that Anthony Audain, Group Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the NATION Group of Companies and OCM’s Deputy CEO, will be leaving the company at the end of August.

    Sir Fred said during his three years of service, Audain had made a valuable contribution to the development of the group and would be missed.

    He also regretted Audain’s departure and wished him well in the future.

    Sir Fred said an announcement of Audain’s successor would be made at an early date.

  • Anonymous // July 18, 2008 at 8:30 am

    David

    I forgot to mention that in today’s Nation ricky singh is all riled up about what he describes as the ‘emotional outbursts by talk show moderators and politicians in the lower and upper house” as it relates to the guyanese immigrants – which he describes as legal or otherwise.

    You notice how guyanese like himself and faria never refer to these people as illegal guyanese – but undocumented or ‘ legal or otherwise’?

    Again VOB has norman faria in the news this morning now saying that bajans shouls show sympathy for the ‘undocumented’ (ie illegal) guyanese because there are illegal bajans in new york.

    JC,hurry up with that petition here.

    Also david, ricky singh makes reference to that tuesday rubbish by annalee davis – it is clear that he is hoping the DLP government will take a look at it and it will somehow influence them.

    Ricky Singh is such a fraud – such a dishonest charlatan -he knows very well that the moderators on VOB are not allowed to discuus along with the callers their concern about the guyanese problem,but he seeks to lay the blame at their feet just to avoid saying Barbados Underground.

    He seems clearly rattled by the proposed policy chamge in immigration by government,yet he is so dishonest like his partners in crime VOB and the Nation.

    I suppose he foolishly thinks that by not giving the name of the blogs that people will not go to the site.Ha,ha,hee,hee – wishful thinking.

    The more I listen to Vob I am becoming certain of this one thing – that

    !) they are going to become soon as irrelevant as the barbados advocate sooner rather than later,

    2) their chickens are going to come home to roost – just wait and see.

  • JC // July 18, 2008 at 9:11 am

    Ricky Singh, Faria and crew you all are something else!

    I know from good information that the Guyanese collect all of their money on Saturdays. When accumulated someone is chosen to take that money back home.

    It is alleged that recently a Guynaese was arrested in Guyana because persons were pist off that when he came from Barbados without money which they were to receive. He explained that when he was departing for Guyana the Immigration Department ceased the money.

    If these allegations are true. My questions to Mr. Singh and company are how then do these Guyanese support and help our economy. When I see them they are in groups especially the Indo ones. They live 20 in a bunch therefore not a lot of rent to pay. They support they OWN at all times!

    Mr. Singh and crew you all have no argument what so ever! That is why I am deeply hurt by persons who dont understand that these people have come to take over!

    I know it! Faria proved it this morning on the radio!

  • Negroman // July 18, 2008 at 10:01 am

    I am convinced that a scheme is in place to divert attention away from this immigration issue on this blog in particular.I agreed that diversionary tactics are being use by introducing a lot of irrelevant material to side track us.I have pick up the trend and I will not respond to those bloggers anymore.I will concentrate on the issue at hand.
    We must keep the pressure on.Norma Faria,Ricky Singh et al will resort to all type of schemes to try to sway governement to rethink its position on the new immigration policy.We must never allow that to happen.
    I believe Norma Faria & Ricky Singh are using tactics to influence the government to offer amnesty to illlegal guyanese.Listen to Norma Faria partially agreeing with Minister Benn.We must be vigilant.
    Iam hearing that identities of bloggers are being sought and some of us are being investigated.Negroman is not daunted.Anybody could investigate me.I have nothing to hide or fear.
    I prepare to die for something before I live for nothing.

  • ROBOT // July 18, 2008 at 10:50 am

    WARRIOR !
    YOURS is one of the best contributions I have ever seen on this or any other blog

    I concur and endorse everything you have said

    You are so right and so correct

    GO to the top of the class WARRIOR
    YUH LARGE

  • Anonymous // July 18, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Negroman

    The identity of bloggers are being sought by whom?

    They tried that with BFP about a year ago saying that the then Government – the BLP – knew who the BFP adminstrators are as well as the bloggers – and they were going to deal with them.

    Well we see the people dealt with them instead – that is, the BLP -and they got voted out.

    This is why we have to support David and Underground because he and his family are taking a big risk to allow us the freedom of expression which is denied us by VOB,the Nation and CBC – so don’t take your responsibilities lightly.

    There are dangerous influential forces in this country whose interests will be affected by the deportation and tightening up of the inflow of guyanese whores and pimps and low life characters as well as other immigrants.

    These people from the highest to the lowest will not stop at anything to shut us up.

    Everyday I realise how close we came on the 15th January 2008 to loosing our country – one bad turn and Barbados as we know it would have been no more.

    This is why I believe that if persons say they have information that is true about persons corrupting the system to aid and abet these guyanese – they should in the interest of the country speak up.

    This is why we have to keep the issue on the front burner so that prime minister thompson and minister mcclean and a.g. freundel stuart understand how serious this matter is to us.

    So negroman I agree with you we should not let them scare us – you go ahead and tell us a little more about what you have been hearing.

  • ROBOT // July 18, 2008 at 10:52 am

    ADRIAN

    BASELESS CHARGES

    you cant convict anyone on baseless charges

    provide the evidence

  • Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Indeed Negroman that is the case. Peter Wickham, Norman Faria, and others cannot answer the salient questions and facts presented on this blog, and are seeking to highlight the contributions that are personal, innuendo, or that can be compared to statements made by others who have been deemed to be racist. If one or two people post as anonymous then the entire BU family is said to be posting that way. If some comments are personal, then the entire blog is recast as such. Don’t be fool it is all design to shut you up. Keep posting, Keep your emotions in check, stay focus on why you are here posting, strive for consistency, and we will prevail. They don’t have the patience of conviction that you have, theirs is driven by greed, personal benefit and power, and such reasons have never been known to win over convictions base on a sense of fairness, of what is right, and of what is just. I have been on message be it on our political system, immigration, the failure of multiculturalism British style for the better part of 8 years, and i continue to see incidents that bolster my opinions.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 11:05 am

    ROBOT // July 18, 2008 at 10:52 am

    ADRIAN

    BASELESS CHARGES

    you cant convict anyone on baseless charges

    provide the evidence
    =================================

    Sorry Robot, the evidence had been laid and the results delivered on Jan 15th. What you have today is as Fruendel Stuart said, “A naked man strip of all power” The BLP is a broken party. The politics of inclusion died with Arthur and was very evident when he spoke, and when Hammie lah spoke.

    I have Fruendel’s Budgent speech which i will be placing on youtube shortly

  • Anonymous // July 18, 2008 at 11:14 am

    Go Adrian.

    Thank you for that.

    Please let us know when you have posted that you tube video.

    Well done.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 11:15 am

    When Norman Faria and Ricky Singh stops being so negative, condesending, and disparging towards the citizens of Barbados, we may start to listen to anything they have to say. When they start being honest with us and respect the sovereignty of this country and it’s right to make laws for the benefit of it’s citizens then we can start to listen to anything they say.
    They can both start by telling us what they know about the illegal guyanese labourer last named “Bossemple” who lost both hands in and industrial acident at a worksite connected to Miss Ram. Who paid for his stay at the QEH? What kind of support average Barbadians gave to that man? what happened to him? is he still in Barbados? if so who is paying for continued care? how is he able to afford to live? which country’s social services is footing the bill for him?

    Here is an opportunity for you talk to us.

  • JC // July 18, 2008 at 11:29 am

    AH they will never answer those questions: annh I told you no answer!

  • ROBOT // July 18, 2008 at 11:30 am

    CGID:

    there is some truth to what you are saying
    Bajan women need to be discussed

    I AM A GUARDIAN OF TRUTH

    DAVID: please run something on Bajan Women
    you will be surprised or will you ?

    TRUST ME I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT

    T

  • CGID is now INSIGHT // July 18, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    I used the CGID handle when I posted some stuff they sent out on Guyana suppression of the free press. I should NOT use that handle as I am NOT involved with CGID in NYC and do not know anyone in that organization.
    My deepest apologies to CGID, if my statements are considered as coming from their organization. I live in canada and not in NYC.

    From now I will use the handle INSIGHT and hope the word is not confused with “incite”

    Peace!

  • Yardbroom // July 18, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    Perhaps it is best to use “FACTS” to rebut some of the mistruths posted here.

    There is no comparison between Barbadians immigrating to England – in the 1960s and later – and Guyanese immigrating to Barbados now.

    (1) In the early 1960s when large numbers of Barbadians immigrated to England, Barbados was a colony as such Barbados passports were stamped “British” a link with our colonial past. Britain had some responsibility to us as colonies because of benefits derived in our early history…regardless of if you like that or not. It is part of our history, it is fact.

    Barbados has no such colonial responsibility to the citizens of Guyana. To compare the “status” of Barbadians immigrating to England and Guyanese to Barbados is not a true comparison. eg.

    In the 1960s Barbados passports were Marked:
    British Passport
    Barbados

    Inside was written: “The Governor of Barbados requests and requires in the Name of her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hinderance and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.”

    Under National Status was stamped: “Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies”.

    A Barbados Passport NOW states:
    “These are to request and require in the name of the Governor-General of Barbados all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hinderance and to afford him or her every assistance and protection of which he or she may stand in need.”

    Ps: Note HerMajesty is not mentioned.

    A Present Day British Passport States:
    “Her Britannic Majesty’s Secretary of State Requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom in may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hinderance and to afford such assistance and protection as may be necessary.”

    You can clearly see the “link” between Barbados and the UK – as was Guyana’s – but there is no similar link between Barbados and Guyana now.
    So any similarity in Immigrant status is a non-starter.

    (2) The Barbadians who immigrated to England were not illegal. They were in many cases recruited with the participation of the Government of Barbados. Interviews were sometimes held in Barbados by English Nationals. eg those for the Military. For those who worked for London Transport courses were organised in Barbados to assist them with the new coinage they were expected to use. They were also recruited for London Underground and nurses for The National Healt Service. In many instances particularly those for London Transport they were met at the airport by members of the Barbados High Commission who loaned them money – which they had to sign for – to ensure they had funds before their first pay cheque. Those assisted by the Government programme had their passage paid which they had to repay…a sureity was secured in Barbados.

    Accommodation was also provided… in the first instance. This was a properly organised affair.

    There were some people – it is true – who immigrated under their own remit but the large numbers from Barbados, were as I have outlined.

    Barbadians did not immigrate from a country where there was “violence” between racial groups -there was no mind-set of animosity- they brought with then only the desire to be employed. In the main Barbadians tried to merge in with their host country and be responsible citizens. There are always exceptions, but in the main that is the case.

    (a) Barbadians have expressed concerns – about Guyanese immigrants in Barbados – which is their right. These concerns are based on the “tensions and violence” between ethnic groups in Guyana, from where the immigrants have come.

    (b) The illegality – in some cases – of their status, which did not apply to Barbados immigrants to England.

    (c) The Historical perspective as a model eg Trinidad, Guyana, Fiji and other places in the world where large numbers of Indians immigrate to a country with a majority of African descent, have later caused chaos and difficult problems to solve due to a lack of societal cohesiveness.

    The above are plain unvarnished “FACTS” and no amount of name calling or efforts to intimidate will change them. I have not used one word of anger just “FACTS.”

    Ps: I am not saying all Guyanese in Barbados are illegal, that is manifestly not the case. What I am saying is that there are many who are, and their numbers are sufficient to cause legitimate concerns. Those concerns in tandem with the ethnic divisions in Guyana from whence the immigrants have come, does not bode well for Barbados, in the “LONG TERM”.

    If anyone can challenge me on the “FACTS” I have presented, I will address them, not “Opinion” “FACTS.”

  • Reaganomics // July 18, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Bring the facts Yardbroom…
    1. How many illegal migrants are in Barbados?
    2. Give the best guesstimate and the source?
    3. How many are Indo-Guyanese?
    4. How many are using the social services “for free”?
    5. How many are unemployed and involved in crime?
    6. How many are not contributing to society?
    BRING ON THE FACTS…
    And while you are at it…bring home every single “legal” Barbadian with a Barbadian passport from the UK, Canada, USA and the Caribbean…
    Then bring back all those Barbadians who have rights to citizenship…from Panama, Brazil, the same Guyana (black, indian and mixed), New Zealand, Australia, UK, Canada, USA, all over the Caribbean…and see if the island can accommodate all these “legal” Bajans…see if they wont pressure the social services…
    The fact of the matter is that all peoples are migratory and will shift all over the globe for one reason or the next..either forced or voluntarily…
    It’s hard to believe that these are the same black bajans that recently had donkey carts and out-houses, and went to school bare foot…now have the temerity to discriminate against other races…
    The same bajans that live in basements in Brooklyn and hide from the authorities…
    It’s no different…people are people and all migrant behavior is the same…they stick together because of cultural affinity and simply because they’re more comfortable…IT”S HUMAN NATURE…
    The planet has greater problems that require unity from all races…this is no time to be bickering over race and illegal migration…this is time for all mankind to come together and save the planet from global warming, rising sea levels, terrorism, nuclear proliferation, food shortage and all these ills.
    I hope you are around long enough to eat humble pie when your food is grown and imported from Guyana…
    What goes up must come down…and no nation will stay down for ever…
    Bring the facts…!

  • INSIGHT // July 18, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    To everyone:
    The issue of “illegal immigration” in Barbados reflects what is happening all over the world today. Here in Canada there are literally thousands of illegal immigrants, and there are Barbadians among them, as Barbadians do not require visas and there is no obvious checks at airports when people leave after they have overstayed…. so many Bajans come and go freely… unlike in the US where this is not possible.

    In Barbados there were no checks as well- when people left – until a few years ago… I think 9-11. Now what this has done is make Guyanese and others who have overstayed to now remain and stay longer – hoping to meet the requirements to stay permanently later. If they attempt to leave they will be discovered … and may be denies entry if they try to return. I know for a fact that tis is so.

    What the government should do is tell people who have overstayed – illegals- to leave… with no questions and no penalties if they do so voluntarily. You would find then that there are a lot of “white people” and non-Guyanese who are In Barbados for years .. so it is not only a Guyanese issue. They should then institute a foolproof system based on fingerprint checking – which is readily available- to guard against people who use multiple names. They should look at the Cayman Islands who I think have a very tight system to guard against the Jamaicians and others.

    A lot of what is said about the clanishness of SOME ofthe Indians is true, and this has been the case in Barbados befor the recent influx of GT Indians. I try to be objective and anytime I say anything I use the words SOME or MANY as things are never 100% The racism of the majority of the Indians in Guyana and Trinidad is available for all to see, while at the same time many who have integrated with other races.

    I do not agree that it is only the “pretty hair” Indian women that makes Guyanese women so “attractive”. What about the Guyanese of African descent, and the mixed ones that make up more than half the population. Bajan men like the Afro-Guyanese as well. Guyanese have always been known for their amazing hospitality to each other and more so to strangers. Anyone who has gone to GT or who has contact with genuine Guyanese would tell you this. Even here in Canada this fact is well known – Guyanese and T&T people are “open” and friendly and more easily liked as they are “fun people”. We are more conservative!.

    My Bajan brothers and sisters are loving as well, but as we well know are not as open to strangers. We Bajans are a courteous people, but we draw the line quickly. You would more easily be invited home to dinner by a GT or T&T person than a Bajan … although they may invite you to a restaurant for dinner. This is a fact! Obviously there are exceptions as in everthing I say here.

    This particular thread is on immigration. I only brought up the issue of Bajan women because of Warrior’s and to some extent JC and J’s comments. Maybe DAVID should accept ROBOT’s idea, and have a thread on Bajan women. However I think it should be expanded to male-female relationships in Barbados, and how the breakdown of the family and how “missing fathers” is affecting the society. This “missing fathers” issue is becoming worldwide and should be addressed. Obama talked about it and was criticized .. people don’t wanna hear the truth!

    Barbadian men are not just quick sex partners, sperm donors or monthly cheque providers. They have to be treated with respect. Not because a man is not as educated as his partner it means that he must be looked down upon. Book knowledge is not “Wisdom”, and people can improve themselves with the support of others. Bajan men are looking elsewhere for LOVE as many of their own women seem to despise them… This is not a good scene!

    Some Barbadian women, like my wife, are the best! I find many of them as sexy and as seemingly sweet as women anywhere. However, thereseems to be a real problem in a society where the “best” men go elsewhere for their partners and the women are are left for each other…. with a growing alternative lifestyle that now seems to be promoted.

    Maybe the women should look outside of Barbados for partners… I know there is a problem here as I have talked to many many women and men about this… and am convinced that sexual jealousy is alive and well in Bajan women when it comes to “foreigners”. The men do not seem to be bothered by this issue.

    Remember..My aim is not to offend anyone … I am just trying to understand the problems we face as Bajans and regional people. .. which are becoming even more acute in a rapidly changing world.

    Peace and Love!

  • JC // July 18, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Reganomics you talking bare crap, Guyana will never mount up to nothing. There is no love within that country. You want facts:

    There is pure corruption in Guyana they kill blacks for fun prove me wrong!

    Why has Hinckson in Guyana been in jail for so long isn’t a case of ‘just another black man’ prove me wrong!

    Why is it that Black people cannot go to specific areas in Guyana is this a lie prov me wrong!

    What about the black guy who has just been found in jail beaten to a pulp, prove that information wrong!

    what about the black farmers in Guyana who would love to toil the land but because the indo guyanese decides he does not want him using ‘their land’ he has to SUFFER!

    and you are talking crap about illegal immigrants!

    We are not dealing with those persons who have done the correct thing and gone through the correct procedures so dont make us out to be asses! And if every one from all over the world come back to Barbados you would have made things worse for your friends the guyanese cause THEY WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO LEAVE! you silly person!

  • Reaganomics // July 18, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    PEACE AND LOVE MUH BRUDDA…ya cant criticize it in Guyana den turn around and practise it…
    Dah mek sense to you?
    Turn de other cheek? Or do you want to have race riots in Barbados?
    U really tink de indians would sit back and leh people like u unfair dem? U dont tink they’d fight back with knives and guns…
    If u is a man go down black rock or wherever you say duh living and trouble dem…if u is a man go and pick a fight with de illegals and see wha gonna happen…u really tink people gonna sit back and tek u abuse…
    Guyana is filled with Bajan descendents…many of whom have intermarried with indians and have rights to bajan citizenship…you racist pig!

  • Anonymous // July 18, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Readers

    Please bear in mind if or when you are responding to the above post, that reganomics/peldownman is a white person.I say that only to put in context his remarks about bare foot black boy riding a donkey cart remarks.

    Also note that on another thread today on this very blog – he has called another blogger an ‘ugly black man’ and made similar disparaging remarks as in his post above.

    It makes you wonder if, he is indeed a bajan, what is causing this anger against ordinary citizens of barbados who are expressing their concerns about the loose immigration policies and the attendant problems.

    I will leave yardbroom to deal with his lack of response to his citation of facts,however I will merely ask myself how someone who one supposes would like to be taken seriously can respond with this list of nonsense – asking a blogger to respond to queries which even the minister responsible or senior civil servants have thus far been unable to answer.

    Our dogged determination BU family has finally found its mark – those concerned are obviously getting rattled.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Reaganomics says:
    I hope you are around long enough to eat humble pie when your food is grown and imported from Guyana…
    =================================

    The Americans have got to just as xenaphobic and racist as those Bajans. How dare them refuse to help Guyana.

    ————How do you say Failed State———-

    US refuses to send Guyana experts

    National security minister Clement Rohee said that US officials had cited “logistical and resource limitations” in turning down the request. What he did not say was that it was the latest in a long line of official diplomatic snubs from Washington, even though successive US envoys have charged the Guyanese government is not doing enough to stem the flow of narco trafficking, and the level of money laundering and organised crime in the country. (File photo)
    By Bert Wilkinson

    GEORGETOWN, Guyana, July 18, 2008 – The United States government has again snubbed Guyanese authorities, this time over a request for expert help in solving the latest of three mass murders this year.

    Late last month, unknown gunmen slaughtered a group of eight diamond miners
    at a camp in the southeastern Amazonian jungle, where security forces had
    been hunting a criminal gang blamed for two other sets of killings that
    clamed 23 lives since January.

    Mine owner George Arokium immediately blamed security forces for carrying out the killings. He contended that the soldiers and police, who were in the general
    area and anxious to cash in on a 250,000-dollar government bounty for the capture of those responsible for the earlier murders, killed the miners by mistake after stumbling into the isolated camp about 220 kilometres from the capital, Georgetown.

    Authorities have however denied involvement in the killings, saying that the Joint
    Services are highly trained and would not commit extrajudicial executions,
    even by mistake.

    Officials had asked the US State Department to fly forensic experts to the
    jungle and assist in investigating exactly what had happened given Mr Arokium’s relentless claims that security forces were to blame.

    After several weeks of silence, US diplomats told the Bharrat Jagdeo administration that they had no plans to send a team from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to probe anything.

    In fairly frank language, Embassy spokesman Rolf Olson said that for one
    thing, the FBI does not have such teams sitting around waiting to be rushed to crises of such a nature overseas. In addition, he said, the request was made long after local police and medical examiners had walked all over the crime scene, removed the burned bodies, picked up spent ammunition and left the remote area unprotected to intruders and nature, in the midst of the rainy season.

    “It is the opinion of the FBI that not much can be achieved with this and we
    told government so in a diplomatic note,” said Mr Olson.

    Later, national security minister Clement Rohee said that US officials had
    cited “logistical and resource limitations” in turning down the request. What he did not say was that it was the latest in a long line of official diplomatic snubs from Washington, even though successive US envoys have charged the Guyanese government is not doing enough to stem the flow of narco trafficking, and the level of money laundering and organised crime in the country.

    The US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) has refused requests from
    authorities to open an office here, saying the country is not secure enough for agents to operate. It services Guyana from neighbouring Trinidad and is now contemplating setting up shop in Suriname.

    Two years ago, Shaheed Roger Khan, a Guyanese businessman with close ties to
    the highest levels of government, publicly admitted taping and distributing to the media politically embarrassing telephone conversations between then police chief Winston Felix and Basil Williams, a senior member of the main Opposition People’s National Congress Reform.

    The government asked the FBI to analyse the tapes to determine whether the voice was the commissioner’s. Washington never reacted to the request, perhaps given the fact that Felix and then army chief Edward Collins had staged coordinated killing raids against suspected drug dealers, many with links to officialdom.

    Mr Khan has also been at the centre of at least three other public snubs, one asking U.S. investigators for information pertaining to the death squad he publicly claimed to have six years ago, and another to determine whether government had in fact helped him procure the high-tech spy equipment that was used to tape Felix. Such equipment is only sold to governments.

    Based on information emerging from pretrial hearings for Mr Khan in New York, the private death squad that had allegedly worked for government was responsible for 200 killings in about two years. His role is being cited by lawyers to argue that Mr Khan was a crime-fighting patriot rather than a trafficker.

    Additionally, four years ago, local authorities had sent body tissues from an alleged death squad murder suspect to the US to determine how he was poisoned while under police guard in hospital. Again, the request was met with stony silence from Washington. (IPS)

  • Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    There is unchecked mass murder in Guyana, The Guyanese authorities are unable to deal with it. Other countries are unwilling to help.

    Why would we open our borders to citizens from this country? are we crazy?

  • Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Yardbroom:
    Your contributions are inspiring me to adopt your approach. I am now a student of yours. ha ha hah

    Great response.

  • Yardbroom // July 18, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    Reaganomics

    (1) I “NEVER” mentioned the number of illegal Guyanese in Barbados, I am not sure if the Government knows.

    (2) I do not guess it is unwise to do so, when presenting “FACTS.”

    (3) I never mentioned a “NUMBER”.

    (4) I “NEVER” mentioned social services.

    (5) I “NEVER” mentioned CRIME.

    (6) I “NEVER” said they were not contributing to society.

    The rest of your comments take in the Globe, my focus was the comparison between Guyanese immigrants to Barbados and Barbados immigrants to the UK.

    The issue of violence, knives and guns which you have brought to this debate is not how we do things in Barbados. It is that type of “behaviour” which is endemic in Guyana, which has brought it to the position it is now in.

    Your behaviour demonstrates how right we are to hold the opinions we do. I will have no further discourse with “YOU”.

  • Reaganomics // July 18, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Listen Yardroom and you whole racist lot…

    Whether you like it or not…Indo Guyanese, Black Guyanes et al are here to stay…
    They’re not leaving because no Bajan govt has the balls or gumption to put people out…
    So live with it…that’s how cultures evolve over time…people move around the globe and blend…
    YOU BLACK NAZI…get used to it…

  • Wishing in Vain // July 18, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Very well said Yardbroom.

    It seems like one very bitter thing in Reaganomics.

    Surely the thought of spending such a long time in opposition is not getting the better of it?

    I hope not because if it is, it will be long hard slog.

  • JC // July 18, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Since we are now talking about the loving Guyanese men. Let’s talk. In 1991 Seven Guyanese came to my village. A mother and her siblings, one of her siblings had a husband.

    In the end her husband was a DAWG he tried to slit his wife’s throat. now you all claim that JC, negro man and crew HATE guyanese I was the first person to make sure she got to the hospital, I was the first person to say he should be locke d to hell up.

    those persons came to Barbados and fitted in. One of the children went to Harrisons and is doing well. But there were a different breed in the 90s. I dont know who or what is coming now these people are something else!

  • Negroman // July 18, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Reaganomics.Remember 1937 white people were thinking like you.Remember what happened.
    The questions you asked Barbadians were asking for many years now and the answers were not forthcoming from the relevant authorities.Owen Arthur the degeneric had the immigration department personnel scared to give the information requested.However,we know for a fact that thousands of illegal immigrants many guyanese are in Barbados today.We see them in Bridgetown,We see them in our villages and communities That is a FACT
    They are renting houses with only three bedrooms and sometimes have at least 15 or 20 of them in that house.They are living in converted pig pens.Them are the facts stupid Reaganomics.
    Reaganomics yes we blacks had pit toilets and donkey carts.However,we maximise the oppurtunities open up to us by our leaders especially Errol Walton Barrow and we improved our lot.Today many black people have nice cars, SUVs, live in nice homes and have the standard of living comparable to the white who enslaved ,unfair ,murdered and torture us.That have people like envious and full of rage
    Reaganomics your remarks and behavior will not daunt us we have a mission and it will be fulfill.
    Europeans are cannibalistic and disease ridden.
    Europeans were accustomed to eating fellow europeans that is why you will see that europeans love their meats rare with blood in it that is a FACT The cannibalistic instincts are still there.They are impoverished hungry,starving europeans in Europe today.Bulgaria,Romania,Poland to name a few .We blacks in Barbados have a better higher standard of living than a lot of whites in many europeans countries and even in Barbados.That has you enraged.We will do what ever is necessarily to defend the progress we have made as a people.
    Reaganomics you nor any indian,or chinese or any other white could scare black people anymore those day are over.
    Like Yardbroom you are on permanent ignore.

  • Reaganomics // July 18, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Hey WIV…wassup you monkey!
    It’s not politics…I dont even vote…blacks cant run any country successfully…
    If the BEES are smart they’d let the likes of you and all you diehard idiots…bring the race issue to its head…they’d let ya all go out there and start to riot and kill one or two indo-guyanese…and see what trouble you gonna have on your hands…
    You really think Bdos is a world unto itself…you dont realize that Black bajans live next to indo guyanese in New York or in Toronto…u really think that in 2008 u can isolate the issue to Barbados…YOU MONKEY…

  • Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Reaganomics // July 18, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Listen Yardroom and you whole racist lot…

    Whether you like it or not…Indo Guyanese, Black Guyanes et al are here to stay…
    They’re not leaving because no Bajan govt has the balls or gumption to put people out…
    So live with it…that’s how cultures evolve over time…people move around the globe and blend…
    YOU BLACK NAZI…get used to it…
    =================================

    –”People move around the globe and BLEND” —

    what do you mean by blend? do you means as in to combine or mix so that the constituent parts are indistinguishable from one another?

    If yes then all that are in Britain today are British as they are British citizens right?

    How do you define “Multicultural” as in Britain is a multicultural society? are all of today’s British citizens indistinguishable from one another?

    When i use the “Blend” in my own sojourn in NA i am referring to “assimilating”

    When Al qaeda uses it in it’s training manual it means to, not stand out, as not to be different. Blend in.

    If Britain is a multicultural society then your statement can be challenged.

    what says you????

  • Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Reaganomics // July 18, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    You really think Bdos is a world unto itself…you dont realize that Black bajans live next to indo guyanese in New York or in Toronto…u really think that in 2008 u can isolate the issue to Barbados…YOU MONKEY…
    =================================
    This question makes no sense to me, but it is not likely that there is any large scale co-residentcy between Bajan yankees, and indo-guyanese in the diaspora. My God you can’t even find many Afro and indo guyanese playing cricket on the same team in NY. Roger Sidi a white american immigration lawyer said that he found muslim guyanese hang with other muslims, Afro muslims get along with everyone, and those with Hindu accentry stick to themselves as they seem to have been dismissed by traditional Hindu Indians.

  • Reaganomics // July 18, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    “Reaganomics.Remember 1937 white people were thinking like you.Remember what happened.”

    What happened Negroman? What happened? Read the history…some broken windows in town and black people killing each other…like Brixton, like LA? Blacks killing each other…
    You dare not drive up through any of those cart roads lined with palm trees, cuz ya still friten fuh white people. De white people would shoot ya, den get a black lawyer like Grantley Adams to defend them and say dat dey shoot ya all becuz they thought it was a monkey picking limes…
    What riots what? All you do is kill each other…
    SHUT UP…love yaself first and stop hating…

  • Chris Halsall // July 18, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    @Negroman… My appologies…

    I had promised you a response to your above. And I actually spent quite a bit of time composing one.

    However… I’m afraid that things have deteriorated here at BU to such a point that I simply do not consider it worthwhile continuing a debate on this particular subject.

    Let me please, however, state that there is actually no such thing as anonymity on the Internet. (This isn’t entirely true, but one must be *very* knowledgeable to achieve it — methodologies I’m not inclined to share…)

    Further, there is a reasonable limit to free speech, recognized throughout the world. Hate crimes, the inciting of same, or even the discussion of same, cross this limit.

    Trust me when I tell you (from inference, not knowledge) that this site *is* being monitored, by agencies who know who you are.

    Think I’m trying to scare you? Consider this:

    1. Do you visit any other blogs from the workstation you’re posting here from?

    2. Do you access your e-mail from the same workstation?

    3. Do you run any Google or other searches?

    4. Do you use MSN, Yahoo, Skype or any other form of communications?

    5. Do you use the same web browser to access any other sites?

    The NSA, for example, have the ability to intercept vast amounts of data from the North American networks. When their interests are drawn, they are even believed to be able to break HTTPS encrypted traffic.

    And (anyone) who can intercept your traffic can tell where HTTPS traffic terminates, even if they can’t determine the “payload”. A simple temporal analysis of the posts takes care of the rest…

    Again, as I stated above, for your own self interests, consider this.

    Best regards to all….

  • Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Negroman take stock from Yardbroom’s approach and follow through as you suggested. Let not the likes of this person rile you up to prove something. We are winning the argument in the great tradition of Margaret Thatcher, with Yardbroom leading the way. Let our facts, command of the issues and our convictions base on right and wrong be our guide. Don’t succumb to the taunting of anyone.

  • JC // July 18, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Chris Halsall you are threatening us aren’t you? Negro man tell Chris Halsall that we are bajans and everyone knows how we feel about this at work and play.

    I have no problems of getting in front of persons and letting them know that I am not racist or xenophobic, but I am a barbadian and I know when somebody is threatening me and I have the right to open my mounth and SAY SO!

    I could be in a church a chapel court whereever!

    Come with another threat please!

    Imagine you all have the audacity to question my love for my country and want me to shut up because of nasty threats!

    My children must be free to say what they have to say with out persons like Chris Halsal and crew telling me to respect them or else, yet they not respecting me!

    That is not fair you all are playing a serious game!

  • Jay // July 18, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Wow,I can’t believe the hatred in the latter part of this thread.

    All illegal immigrants should be deported permanently,period.

  • JC // July 18, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    To all fellow bloggers I can see that these persons are trying to irritate us so they can then claim that we are racist, this is not our agenda crew!

    We are here to make sure our children have afuture and that persons who enter Barbados go through the legitimate channels! Therefore we are in this thing for one cause!

  • Negroman // July 18, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    Chris Halsall thanks for the information.I agreed with you that the postings to this blog has fallen to a low.I will admit that I could share some of the blame.
    This issue I am very passionate about and sometimes I allowed my emotions to get the better part of me.I know that the internet is not fool proof and information could be gather to determine where emails are coming from.Nevertheless,I remain committed to my views on this issue and no threat of investigation will deter me.
    This immigration matter must be dealt with in a manner that will satisfy us Barbadians.
    Fellow bloggers I am asking please ignore stupid Reaganomics.He is trying to derail us.Put him on permanent ignore.

  • Jay // July 18, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    Chris Halsall said:

    Trust me when I tell you (from inference, not knowledge) that this site *is* being monitored, by agencies who know who you are.
    —————————-

    This is an ABSOLUTE Fallacy.Agencies in the US have better things to do with their time than to monitor a website about an issue concerning a small island.The main thing that the U.S. is concerned about now is Terrorism & US internal security…..plain & simple.

    BTW,I DO live in the US.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    I let Chris Hasell write his nonsense. The Government of Guyana can’t even get the US authorities to pay them any attention. Leaders in the Caribbean have come to realize that the US does not take them serious. I fail to see a US ISP being subpoena to issue records to satisfy the request of foreign lawyers or to prosecute some one base on foreign laws. Nonsense and fear mongering, but i still think that Negroman should contain and control his emotions. We are winning the argument.

  • Chris Halsall // July 18, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    @Negroman… I appreciate your *immediate* above. And I understand where you’re coming from. I’m also Bajan, and am also very passionate about our beautiful country and region.

    @Jay & Hinds… My above is not a fallacy. The monitoring is done by computers, not humans. It is automated; the systems raise alerts when they find things of interest and/or concern. And they keep extensive, and long-term, logs…

    I’m definitely not trying to threaten anyone. I just want you all to be aware of what is likely the case. Do a little on-line research if you don’t believe me (but do it from a friend’s (or, better yet, an enemy’s) computer…. )

  • Yardbroom // July 18, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    It is best and in the interest of all Bajans that we are having this discussion “NOW”, rather than in forty years time.

    It is this one simple fact that we can be thankful for. The peace of Barbados has been established on simple dynamics, not by design but by accident. Due to the small size of Barbados it does not take a great movement of populations or great change in societal mindset to breakdown what is established.

    Once that behaviour is changed, it will be difficult, if not impossible to re-establish it.

    You often do not appreciate what you have, until you have lost it.

    We are at the Cross Roads in our History, we can either make wise decisions. or do nothing and be resigned to our fate.

    In a country that has shed so many tears, felt so much pain, if only our silent cane fields could speak. I wonder what they would make of this. How many of our brothers have often looked to the sky for deliverance, could they, but believe not that we have it.

    We could surrender it so freely.

  • JC // July 18, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    We will never surrender it so freely, Yardbroom. Why do you think we have decided to have one voice and that is the voice of facts.

    I agree that we are at the cross roads. We voted for change. Therefore we wait on our leaders to do what is right for Barbados!

    Owen Arthur if you read this blog you will realise what an injustice you have done to persons who had trusted you with their birthrights and Xs.

  • Jay // July 18, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    Ah,that is what you were talking about.All US servers log IP’s & maybe some surfing habits BUT that is mainly done by US companies,not really the agencies.The agencies will only get involve if an actual CRIME has taken place & Barbados request’s help in that department but as I’ve said that will likely not be possible since terrorism is the MAIN thing the US is after right now.

  • Jay // July 18, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    The above message was @ Chris Halsall.If the Barbados government does ask for US help,they likely won’t get it.The reality is that the US government is focusing a good majority of its resources on protecting the US homeland not chiding in the affairs of a non-terrorism related foreign government.

  • Chris Halsall // July 18, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    @Jay…

    I am *not* talking about ISP server logs. I’m talking about NSA’s logs (or, more accurately, datasets)…

    How often do you, or anyone who posts here, enter the US? I personally avoid going there whenever possible, because every time I do I get *extensively* searched. (I had one case where two searched my bags, while a third held their gun…)

    (No body-cavity searches yet, thank goodness, but I’m fearful… 9-)

  • Yardbroom // July 18, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Chris Halsall
    You surprise me, you are purposely setting hares running for no reason’ I noticed a few days ago you specifically targeted Negro Man, and then you followed that up with an attempt to divert the thread.

    I welcome your advise to fellow bloggers, but to suppose the US is interested in bloggers discussing illegal immigration to Barbados is stretching it a bit.

    Thanks all the same, I take the advise with the same worth as that behind the advise.
    Many Thanks
    Yardbroom

  • Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    18, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    @Jay…

    I am *not* talking about ISP server logs. I’m talking about NSA’s logs (or, more accurately, datasets)…

    How often do you, or anyone who posts here, enter the US? I personally avoid going there whenever possible, because every time I do I get *extensively* searched. (I had one case where two searched my bags, while a third held their gun…)

    (No body-cavity searches yet, thank goodness, but I’m fearful… 9-)
    =================================

    I live in the US, been to several countries, been search once in Canada out may be 300 trips, never been search on reentering the US. I have been searched everytime i enter Barbados.

    ….I thought your concern was about saying negative things about Barbadian politicians.

  • Anonymous // July 18, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Everyone

    Norman faria is on VOB call in programme right now.

    He is now talking about the problems ILLEGAL guyanese are telling him they have of getting their children into our schools.

    He also said he spoke to david estwick about getting health care for his people and david estwick has told him to speak to his operatives in the ministry of health.

    Dennis kellman is now on speaking.

    Marsha hinds at the outset listed a lot of things the callers could not talk about,that is,race,religion,etc because of the broadcasting regulations – re incitement etc.

    The funny thing is the very things that she is saying that callers cannot speak to on VOB – callers to CBC radio freely speak on those issues of race and religion and never ever can be accused of inciting anyone.

    VOB thinks we are foolish,but we know they have their agenda.

    Tonight’s programme is another public relations propaganda for norman faria,where everyone skirts the issue and nobody can say how they really feel.

    Even kellman going out of his way to be syrupy sweet – saying that the government is not about dealing with the micro issue – perhaps meaning the social impact of immigrants – but will be dealing with the macro issue,that is – investment in guyana.

    David all the talk that marsh hinds-layne gave at solidarity house is absent here.

    She has not raised one of the issues which you seemed to suggest she raised on Tuesday.

    I think we as a people must not think that this battle is over – the people who have been voted in – that is the politicians – cannot be trusted until we see what we are asking for implemented.

    What dennis kellman said just now was far less stringent than what he said in the 5:30 news about barbados being a small country,and it is the 6th densely populated in the world ,and the immigrant impact on housing and schools.

    Nothing so just now – all syrup.

    Can you believe this shite – marsha hinds the moderator just challenged a caller who ask faria if it is fair that we should have to compete with our scarce natural resources with guyanese.

    That two faced marsha hinds just asked the man how he knows bajans are competing with guyanese for our resources.

    This is why people I don’t trust my bajan people.

    This is also why peltdownman can say with confidence that bajans will not join together and do anything against the guyanese matter.

    Finally norman faria in reply to a question just said that he doesnot believe that there should be any cap on the number of guyanese coming to barbados.

    Boy,oh boy.

  • David // July 18, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    We must admit that listening to Faria on VOB at the moment is very painful, very painful indeed. We will say more later we are fed-up at the moment.

    In the House of Assembly recently MPs elected by Barbadians have voiced concerns during the amendment to the immigration law but VOB would conspire with Faria to broadcast hogwash where we hear Faria arrogantly dismissing the concerns of Barbadians..

    We would want to ask Kellman how can we invest in Guyana in the social and political unstable climate which currently exist.

  • Chris Halsall // July 18, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    @Everyone…

    I’m trying to give you a heads up. Open and healthy debate is wonderful. I’m trilled the Blogs are here to fill a needed void. However, several posts here crossed the line. All I’m saying is, let’s keep it civil and productive.

    BTW, if you still don’t think you’re being monitored, please check this out: http://epic.org/privacy/profiling/tia/ And this is just what’s public…

    The US doesn’t care what you say about our politicians. They *do*, however, care about stability wherever they have interests….

  • JC // July 18, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Oh Lord Barbados is getting into the mode of riot. Marsha you are something else,I saw her quarrelling when Faria was saying that bajans need to shut up on the blogs!

    She was saying that they were not dealing with the issues!

    I listening to Marsha and I dont believe her she is a dangerous person!

    Oh my God!

  • Anonymous // July 18, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    That blasted fraud marsh hinds layne got me so blasted vex I feel I could do something serious right now.

    Could you believe that shite marsha just tell a man that it is not true that the guyanese are impacting on the over crowding in the schools.

    That idiot just contradicted chris sinckler,prime minister thompson and even kellman who all say that the overcrowding caused by guyanese children means that the government now has to build more schools.

    I mean tonight that person acting as though she is the consul general norman faria.Shutting down discussion,and rebuking persons when ever norman faria is willing to answer the question.

    David and JC you got me questioning what you tell me about marsha layne’s contribution on tuesday.

    Bajans you see what you up against?

    That woman actually closed off by saying this is what talk radio should be doing putting the other side – she fuh real – what she really meant to say – was this is what vob talk radio does – putting the only side – the guyanese side.

    Marsha hinds – my dear – walk good hear.

    I telling you all watch kellman,watch sinckler,watch ronald jones,watch eastwick,watch suckoo and sealy.

    We are not sure that these DLP politicians really going to do what they tell us – it will be bare trouble out here if they don’t listen to we bajans.

    Barbados full of two-faced people – man we got to do the donkey work for ourselves and for our children hear.

  • queen // July 18, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    Faria and Ricky Singh have been successful enough in Barbados (heaven knows why they are still here) that they can permanently return to Guyana and educate their brothers and sisters about the pros and cons to living as a denizen or citizen of Barbados. I have made it my mission to personally call the Immigration Dept for any person I suspect to be an illegal immigrant. We are an under populated but densely populated country with meaningless trash who, because of their status cannot contribute to the NIS, etc. The people use our hospital, roads, and take our money out of the island. Because of their status they cannot contribute to the development of Barbados. Years from now, we will not have enough young people working to support the old age pensioners but yet the island will be over populated with people making no contribution to our treasury and NIS. It is unfair, its like 100 people pouring money into a sack for their use, only to realize that their money has to also support 800 others who never made a contribution. Those Guyanese in
    prominent positions in Barbados should look beyond the present. Guyana is a rich country – Barbados can drop into one of Guyana’s rivers and get lost, yet every Guyanese expects to plant their foot on this little island and bring they filth with it, (their Obeah and all the crap they do the naive Bajan man). The Bajan uneducated male should by now recognized how priceless his birthright is and hold on to it like gold. It is easier for a Barbadian than Guyanese to have citizenship should they desire, in England, America or a European country. Our standard of living is way higher than Guyana. They come here and bring they unsanitary habits to this island. All in all they are jealous especially of the Bajan women. Indian Guyanese do not mix with black Guyanese in Guyana. Is it not strange that they (Guyanese Indian women) come here and hook up with Bajan black men? If we bajans truly understood how valuable our island is, we would make every effort to block our island from being polluted by these degenerates (the illegal Guyanese, Chinese, Africans etc).

  • JC // July 18, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Marsha did say all of those things and more! She was hopping mad she is dangerous very dangerouus!

    Anon! why you all listening to VOB I turned off my radio every since it is only when I came on the blogs that i realised what was goin on that I decided to listen!

    Anon dont give up some people think they have won but I will not give up!

    Although we told Owen Arthur to pull back with CSME he refused to listen now we find ourselves in a nasty rut and I dont know what can be done!

    Owen Arthur has left this administration a legacy of PROBLEMS!

    I dont want to see Mr. Arthur’s name on a piece of paper!

    Bajans wannah gine get mek SHITE!

    My children are in trouble!

  • JC // July 18, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    If the DLP dont listen to the majority of the people I am telling you they will find themselves OWT THE blp WILL GET BACK THE COUNTRY

    WE ARE DOOMED!

  • Reaganomics // July 18, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Here are all statements made by Negroman:

    “Barbadians from all walks of life get up rise up out of your slumber show bravery,do not be afraid join us in our marches to save Barbados from the detestable guyanese especially the wicked,racist Indo guyanese like stinkin Norma Faria.”

    “The point is the nasty,despicable,wicked racist and murderous europeans are RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONFLICTS IN AFRICA TODAY.”

    “Ethnic cleansing is about to happen in Barbados. MARK NEGROMAN WORDS”

    “I MAKE NO APOLOGIES FOR SAYING THAT I,NEGROMAN HATE INDIANS.”

    “The whites, the Indians,the Chinese will face the wrath of black Barbadians in a way that those people will never expect from us.”
    ******************************************
    Doesnt he think people are going to react to statements like these?
    It’s called action reaction…
    How would you feel Negroman if some KKK member told you that you are “one congressional vote away” from slavery; or pack yourself and your pickneys back to Africa?
    You wouldnt feel good right?
    Would you like your children to go to school and find a noose in the classroom?
    So why then do you feel it’s right to come on here and make those offensive statements? Then when you are tested you cant handle it.
    Take the high road of Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela.
    You cant fight hate with hate…

  • Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Yardbroom // July 18, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Chris Halsall
    You surprise me, you are purposely setting hares running for no reason’ I noticed a few days ago you specifically targeted Negro Man, and then you followed that up with an attempt to divert the thread.

    I welcome your advise to fellow bloggers, but to suppose the US is interested in bloggers discussing illegal immigration to Barbados is stretching it a bit.

    Thanks all the same, I take the advise with the same worth as that behind the advise.
    Many Thanks
    Yardbroom
    =================================
    Yardbroom I prefer to treat to Chris Hasell as doing somebody else work. Now remember how he came in here and BFP lamenting with a heavy heart how he might be in legal trouble for somethings he may have said. It could be that he is speaking from his personal situation or as the result of it. i.e. he must take these silly positions on orders to avoid a law suite. poor fellow.

  • JC // July 18, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Barbados is in serious trouble!

    Seven years ago, many foreigners entered this country unchecked and in that short time they have impacted negatively on this society. We are now starting to feel the pinch of these people!

    I will repeat when the labouers were crying out no one listened everyone claimed that they were lazy (especially ‘my’ prime minister OA). Furthermore these labourers decided that they no longer wanted to be labouers so on their labouer permits they decided they would be artisans; hence the artisans cried out no one listened! (No NIS being paid)

    Persons claimed that these were building strong buildings that had to be fixed the next 3 months.

    Now have the reached the middle classes such as ‘Jewel Forde’ and now EVERYBODY realise what was happening!

    These people were never managed properly in the first place! Never!

    Owne you have left a legacy of CORRUPTION in the highest degree!

  • JC // July 18, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Please ignore Reganomics everyone. He wants us to fall for this but we know we wont!

  • Jay // July 18, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Chris Halsall said:

    @Jay…

    I am *not* talking about ISP server logs. I’m talking about NSA’s logs (or, more accurately, datasets)…

    How often do you, or anyone who posts here, enter the US? I personally avoid going there whenever possible, because every time I do I get *extensively* searched. (I had one case where two searched my bags, while a third held their gun…)

    (No body-cavity searches yet, thank goodness, but I’m fearful… 9-)
    ———————————

    When you’re a legal citizen or resident of the U.S. they don’t usually search you like that but if you’re new to the country or travel frequently here they will take it to a whole new level,as long as your paper work is in order & you have the funds to support yourself they’ll just do the “usual” security checks[like checking your bag & asking questions].It is actually nominal for Customs & Border Patrol to search everyone.Those that live in the US just accept security as an everyday part of life,like having to take off you belt and shoes at spots where you are to be scanned,like going through the airport or even in Federal buildings.I believe they’re also taking 10 Fingerprint scans now on entry for visitors at airports as well just to make sure you’re actually who you say you are.

    Anyway,The link you just posted clearly states that the program is toward terrorist activities,& since I’ve been on BU I have not read anyone on here talk about any such thing,only that they want illegal immigrants out of Barbados.If you think about it is of no interest to the U.S.,in fact there are ~11 million here in the US now,why would they care about ~40,000 in Barbados ?

    “In November 2002, the New York Times reported that the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) was developing a tracking system called “Total Information Awareness” (TIA), which was intended to detect terrorists through analyzing troves of information. The system, developed under the direction of John Poindexter, then-director of DARPA’s Information Awareness Office, was envisioned to give law enforcement access to private data without suspicion of wrongdoing or a warrant.”

    The biggest problem I find on BU is really just the language but that can easily be taken care of by either deleting the post or IP banning if it becomes to much of a problem

  • Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Reaganomics:
    It doesn’t have to take statements like Negroman’s to have “people” react.

    All it will take is for a lil poor black boy to walk through Highgate gardens too late, to get his face licked in while being called a nigger.

    you want to see the face of the person responsible?
    http://www.nationnews.com/temporaryimages/bp27562.jpg

    Does he look like you?

    All it will take is to be involve in a collision with some British tourist for them to react with racial charged comments.

    Stephen and Nicola Sledgeley two white expatriates who were charged under the public order act for having racially abuse three black Barbadian women in 2004.

    We know by their deeds, and comments who the real racist in Barbados are. Your emotional rant has no impact on me.

    ….However with that said Negroman we do not have to resort to your emotional comments no need. We did not riot when The Greenidge father and son beat that little boy and we all saw the pics, yet we did not.

    Ignore Reaganomics.

  • Anonymous // July 18, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Tonight for sure I realised the extent to which we are dealing with house niggers and damn oreos – people who black on the outside but white inside.

    After listening to that female marsha hinds and even kellman I now understand why whites in barbados are never troubled by the rantings of concerned black bajans – they know you could always get a house nigger like the deceptive marsha hinds layne to do their bidding.

    Are these – the people we are fighting so hard for to leave our heritage to?

    Are these the people we are entrusting our future and the future of our children to?

    Someone who can say one thing in a public meeting and then don’t follow through when she has a national platform?

    Do these people understand the big picture or are they only interested in their blings and tings – their middle class trappings – SUVs and Land shoes and bags?

    JC you understand now why it is so important to pay attention to what is happening in the media – all sections of it?

    If I had not listened to VOB tonight I nor you would not realise that marsha hinds layne is a dangerous fraud – who likes to pander.

    We would not realise how precarious we stand with someone who holds the position of caricom ambassador (kellman) who again engages in pandering and double – speak.

    If we didn’t monitor the media we would not realise the frightening position being taken by VOB and the Nation as it relates to selling out our birthright by silencing our full voice – of course under the guise of bradcasting regulations – which every one knows are not interpreted as strictly as they are trying to portray.

    How can someone expressing concerns about the social tensions between the racial group in barbados and citing examples in other countries constitute incitement?

    JC you and David would have gone to sleep Tuesday night reassured that in marsha hinds layne you had some one who understood and agreed with our fears and our concerns – instead what we have is someone who is striving hard to develop a public name and a public image – someone who wants to be seen and heard – and goes about it in the only way that nouveau riche blacks do it – by turning on their own.

    Man we realy got to do what Warrior told us last night – pray,pray and pray again.

    Barbados is in deep shit – and we need a leader with some cajones.

  • Detective // July 18, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Reaganomics praised Nelson Mandela. Ummm..interesting only today I saw an ad by Cow Wlliams and his people praising Mandela. I am not saying COW or his people is Reaganomics but Detective will remain on the case. Reagonomics for sure is a bigot. A mongrel who hates us blacks.

  • Bush tea // July 18, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    We always get exactly what we deserve.

    Any country that elects an unemployed, broke, alcoholic as Prime Minister for three consecutive terms should not be surprised that he leaves a legacy that is similar to his personal life… I am sure he tried his best…but;

    It is obvious that if we open the floodgates and allow free access to all from the region, hordes of hopeless, useless migrants will come seeking (and finding) better conditions than are possible in their own failed countries.

    …it must be also obvious that they will bring with them the very characteristics that RESULTED in the failure of their own countries (all with more natural resources that Barbados)

    …and it is patently obvious that the end result will be that this country too, will fail -as we are overwhelmed by these strange cultures and we all settle for the least common denominator.

    All CSME does, is to provide a forum that makes our weak leaders feel that they should ignore the will of their own people and allow Barbados to be dragged down the the point where we are all common … – one large Guyana!

    Our problem now lie in the long delays between the promises of our new leaders and actual positive action. (as per ITAL, hardwood, etc and now the Immigration clean-up…) …too late?

    …I suppose that this is all part of the end game phase of BBE’s Project, and of the global chaos that will accompany this time; otherwise Bush tea would be surprised that we could be so foolish as a people.

    …But what surprise what?!?

    …as for Barbados – we will get exactly what we deserve… either chaos or continued relative stability.

  • JC // July 18, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Kellman you are a disappointment!

    Marsha I saw you with my 2 eyes getting on real bad talking about ‘they are not dealing with the issues.’

    You are SHAMEFUL!

    You want an extra job dont you?

    You will sell your country out for that extra job wont you marsha?

    You are no different to the Civil Servants who sold us out by selling our ID cards and Work Permits and those who rent them houses!

    T R A I T O R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Reaganomics:
    It doesn’t have to take statements like Negroman’s to have “people” react.

    All it will take is for a lil poor black boy to walk through Highgate gardens too late, to get his face licked in while being called a nigger by “people”

    All it will take is to be involve in a collision with some British tourist for them to react with racial charged comments.

    Stephen and Nicola Sledgeley two white expatriates (”people”) who were charged under the public order act for having racially abuse three black Barbadian women in 2004.

    We know by their deeds, and comments who the real racist in Barbados are. Your emotional rant has no impact on me.

    ….However with that said Negroman we do not have to resort to emotional comments, no need. We did not riot when The Greenidge father and son bigots incorporated beat that little boy and we all saw the pics, yet we did not.

    Ignore Reaganomics and his “people”

  • Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    But JC sometimes i listen to VOB replay of the Friday evening talk program and the girl on although have one of those silly double names it is not Hinds lane it is “Monroe-knight”. The way she says it makes me laugh. Now she is clearly pro immigration and anti borders.

    Whats up with the double last names? are these women part-time feminist or something?

  • Jay // July 18, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    Bush tea said:

    …and it is patently obvious that the end result will be that this country too, will fail -as we are overwhelmed by these strange cultures and we all settle for the least common denominator.

    All CSME does, is to provide a forum that makes our weak leaders feel that they should ignore the will of their own people and allow Barbados to be dragged down the the point where we are all common … – one large Guyana!
    —————————-

    LOL ! With that large Guyana,comes its benefits as well.

    Here in the US,some people I know who are Citizens of both Barbados & the US would rather travel abroad on their Barbados passports due to the relatively low popularity of the U.S. in the world right now.Barbados has a good visa free status in the world to many destinations,but should those destinations see an illegal immigration problem they’ll likely take Barbados off their visa exempt list should the country offer an Amnesty or Regularization program.

    This is the main reason why the United Kingdom has threatened Trinidad & Tobago with taking them off the visa exempt list.

    http://www.caribbeanworldnews.com/middle_top_news_detail.php?mid=1096

    “But the British authorities say they are worried that the less scrupulous elements of the Caribbean Community – Guyana and Jamaica for example -were using Trinidad and Trinidadian citizenship to gain back door entry to Britain. They feel this poses extra threats with regard to drug trafficking, illegal immigration and terrorism.

    The eleven countries have been given six months to ’significantly reduce the risk they pose to the UK or face the visa imposition in early 2009. – By John Mair/CWN London.”

  • Adrian Hinds // July 18, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Jay i travel everywhere on my US passport. I do not use my Barbados one for anything.

    But i join you in your view of the British government opinions on Guyana. It is similar to that of the US government, why must the Barbados government be different?

  • Anonymous // July 18, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    Adrian

    They are all wannabes Adrian – that chantal munroe knight and marsha hinds layne.

    You should hear how they sometimes talk down to callers – and that marsha layne with that irritating affected tone.

    All wannabes the whole lot of them.

    Right now we are living in the land of the blind,so you done know the one eye man is king.

    I really hope VOB never get a T.V. station,because right now they are wasting their radio license.

  • JC // July 18, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    Your guest is as good as mine all I can say is that Marsha is mad!

    At UWI she makes every body laugh because she is MAD!

    And there I was Tuesday night feeling real proud when she told the lady that the word potais is an insult linguistically.

    I was feeling so proud but now the that she is at her 2nd job she dont care who else children eat once hers eat! Shame on you Marsha, anyhow I should have expected it since you are MAD!

  • Anonymous // July 18, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    JC

    Maybe she is bi – polar and Tuesday night she was on a high.

  • Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 12:45 am

    “Maybe she is bi – polar and Tuesday night she was on a high.”

    Well well well boy it seems as if you bloggers got some growing up to do. Silly folk here cussing one set of politicians and trusting the next set. The indo-guyanese u hate so much r here to stay and no politician has the guts to do anything about it. Your beloved politicians have made deals with those who control construction, agriculture and all the productive sectors. U really think they r goin 2 send the guyanese packing and collapse the construction and agricultural sectors. Think again. U’ve been sold out since 1966. They tell u what u want to hear n make deals in the sly with who really rule bdos. Welcome to black governors and white rulers. That’s the deal.
    LIKE IT OR LUMP IT or do as negroman said he’d do – pack your tattered valises and return to africa just like u packed and went to guyana or london. Hypocrites!

  • Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 12:49 am

    60000 bajans went to Panama when life was harder on your little paradise island and did exactly what you are hating guyanese for; they worked and sent money back to barbados to improve their families. YOU IDIOTS.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 19, 2008 at 1:11 am

    Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 12:49 am

    60000 bajans went to Panama when life was harder on your little paradise island and did exactly what you are hating guyanese for; they worked and sent money back to barbados to improve their families. YOU IDIOTS.
    ===========================================================

    Where they concidered illegal immigrants? wasn’t there an orderly migration process? No comparison there.

  • Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 1:20 am

    r’nt u movin 2wards 1 c’bean? how r u gonna have a unified region w/ dis kinda attitude? Dis is the harsh reality of any integration movement and dis is what Ms. Davis was tryin to portray in her documentary. The paradox is that be4 we were independent nations there was freedom of movement n bajans went all over the region; now in a post-independence era there is this petty nationalism, isolationism, xenophobia and pure racism. Human beings will always move all over the planet; it a natural thing. States, boundaries, visas and passports are all man-made. People will move where there food to eat. Get used to it. What illegal immigrants what? We’re all Caribbean people.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 19, 2008 at 1:24 am

    Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 12:45 am
    They tell u what u want to hear n make deals in the sly with who really rule bdos. Welcome to black governors and white rulers. That’s the deal.
    ================================
    very true. I don’t understand why this is so. They are some very ignorant white people in Barbados, and to be considered white in Barbados doesn’t necessarily translate to being white in some larger countries.

    See Link

  • Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 1:29 am

    “very true. I don’t understand why this is so. They are some very ignorant white people in Barbados, and to be considered white in Barbados doesn’t necessarily translate to being white in some larger countries.”

    Becuz u buffoons allow fake whites 2 rule u. U fear dem. they ruled u for 400 yrs n still rulin n u cussin guyanese indians. Buffoons.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 19, 2008 at 1:31 am

    Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 1:20 am

    r’nt u movin 2wards 1 c’bean? how r u gonna have a unified region w/ dis kinda attitude? Dis is the harsh reality of any integration movement and dis is what Ms. Davis was tryin to portray in her documentary. The paradox is that be4 we were independent nations there was freedom of movement n bajans went all over the region; now in a post-independence era there is this petty nationalism, isolationism, xenophobia and pure racism. Human beings will always move all over the planet; it a natural thing. States, boundaries, visas and passports are all man-made. People will move where there food to eat. Get used to it. What illegal immigrants what? We’re all Caribbean people
    =================================
    Is Martinique and Guadaloupe in the Caribbean? what about Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic, Haiti, St Martin, etc? are they in the caribbean or not? You are fooling yourself if you think that they will ever be a united caribbean. Plus Guyana is a South American country.

    How many White Barbadians left Barbados for Australia and New Zealand when Barrow became the Leader? Why is ok for Whites to distrust Blacks and Blacks cannot resent being dislike by Indo Guyanese?

  • David // July 19, 2008 at 1:41 am

    Perhaps Reaganomics has taken us away from the moorings of this blog deliberately or otherwise but let us as intelligent people bring it back. Immigration has been happening for years, no Bajan is against immigration of some kind.

    The discussion Barbadians are having is happening all over the world. On a monthly basis Trinidad refuse entry to Guyanese and others from its borders.

    The elected MPs on both sides have agreed that we need to have managed immigration policy. Barbados does not have the infrastructure to allow people to entire without regulation. Even in the developed countries migrant labour is allowed in on the basis of matching the needs of the country to lead to development.

    Already the Ministry of Education is concerned at overcrowding in the primary schools. We have many primary schools where the average number is pushing well pass 30. The Polyclinics are also under pressure because many of the low skill immigrants don’t visit private doctors.

    Now that we have set the background those people in our society who have remained married to the concept of integration at the expense of what is good for Barbados should be ashame of themselves. Many of our people have failed education that we hype so much.

    Finally to Marsha Hinds. We grieved for her this evening when we listened to how she sacrificed her position to toe the line, all because of the opportunity to be on national radio. The honourable thing to do is to tell VOB keep their damn job Marsha. Is it worth it? Maybe you can make more of a contribution just as a regular caller.

  • Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 1:44 am

    The documentary is dealin with csme. the countries u mentioned r not part of that movement. in any integration movement there is always some sort of affirmative action – the strong helps the weak until there’s general equilibrium. so over time there will be a labor shortage in guyana and salaries will go up there becuz of excess supply over demand and it will becum attractive to persons from the region. that’s general equilibrium theory. these are early days yet in the dislocation of the integration movement. either u want it or u dont but movement of people comes with it.
    and for all intents n purposes, guyana always aligned with the english-speaking c’bean for historical and cultural reasons…u know that. stop playing silly!

  • David // July 19, 2008 at 1:47 am

    @ Reaganomics

    Why do you think Jamaica and Bahamas are so luckwarm towards CSME? It is our view that it has to do in large part with the Haiti situation. These countries are scared about what will happen if they dive in. Let us deal with the implementation of the concept and forget the high level nebulous positions.

  • Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 1:50 am

    “Finally to Marsha Hinds. We grieved for her this evening when we listened to how she sacrificed her position to toe the line, all because of the opportunity to be on national radio. The honourable thing to do is to tell VOB keep their damn job Marsha. Is it worth it? Maybe you can make more of a contribution just as a regular caller.”

    R u takin dis position becuz she did the responsible thing n did not rile up people over national radio. She was in a smaller more intimate forum on tuesday. Of course she has to toe the line. Which responsible journalists does not do that. There are guidelines and she followed them. R u willin to pay her to be a regular contributor to BU?
    The media understands that they’re now global and that what they say and do on air or in the press can affect the tourist industry. u tink people stupid?

  • Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 1:52 am

    bdos should abandoned everything that caricom stands for; if that’s ur silly position.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 19, 2008 at 1:56 am

    Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 1:29 am

    “very true. I don’t understand why this is so. They are some very ignorant white people in Barbados, and to be considered white in Barbados doesn’t necessarily translate to being white in some larger countries.”

    Becuz u buffoons allow fake whites 2 rule u. U fear dem. they ruled u for 400 yrs n still rulin n u cussin guyanese indians. Buffoons.
    =================================

    ha ha ha ha ha This is an issue that Barbadians will have to address and a few have started to defend themselves when “pushed”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCCKW8CTsus

    but the vast majority to my mind are still waiting hoping, sitting on the fence.

    http://www.barbadosforum.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=5809&view=findpost&p=57095

  • David // July 19, 2008 at 2:02 am

    @Reaganomics

    Why are our politicians having the same argument in our parliament? Is this not a national forum? Why almost on a daily basis we can tune into Lou Dobbs on CNN and here him expressing concerns at the Mexicans crossing the US border?

    One can be responsible of course but this does not mean that we go to the other extreme. There is a reason why Barbados has remain stable over the years and let us not forget it. How can our government and other stakeholder entities go against the will of the PEOPLE?

    Barbadians are concerned like most countries around the world of unregulated migration. Mobility of labour as a concept is noble but good execution is required to ensure the SOUL and WILL of the host population is not defeated Sire.

    Finally and you may understand this better than most: Do you remember when IBCs and Captive insurance companies were thriving in Barbados in the 80s and 90s? Now that the OECS and developed world has decided to regulate capital outflows from their countries what has happened? We have seen the proposed change in the double taxation treaty for Canada and more and more Barbados and other offshore domiciles will see a reduction in this business from the traditional sources. the point we are making is why when the developed countries take measures to protect themselves it is OK but small islands like Barbados we are xenophobic?

  • Adrian Hinds // July 19, 2008 at 2:02 am

    Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 1:52 am

    bdos should abandoned everything that caricom stands for; if that’s ur silly position.
    =================================

    What does Caricom stand for? for real? what was Ralph Gonzales of St. Vincent carrying on about Caricom? who said it is just a talk shop? are they wrong? Caricom stands for nothing. How many have signed on to the CCJ?

  • David // July 19, 2008 at 2:08 am

    What does Caricom stand for? for real? what was Ralph Gonzales of St. Vincent carrying on about Caricom? who said it is just a talk shop? are they wrong? Caricom stands for nothing. How many have signed on to the CCJ?

    This is to Reaganomics et: This debate as we said is going on all over the Caribbean at the moment. Read this report written my staff of the Miami herald. This is real people and the argument is not about Barbados alone. The whole region is grappling with this issue. Let us back-off the rhetoric and pursue the issue in a dispassionate way.

    Anti-immigrant sentiments threaten Caribbean Community economic plan
    With anti-immigrant sentiments running high, the 15-member Caribbean Community, or CARICOM, may postpone implementation of a single economy.

    Posted on Sat, Jul. 12, 2008
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    By JACQUELINE CHARLES
    jcharles@MiamiHerald.com
    Jamaican nationals who live in Antigua listen to Antigua and Barbuda Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer. Spencer, the incoming chairman of CARICOM, said 35 percent of his nation’s work force are non-Antiguan nationals.
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    Jamaican nationals who live in Antigua listen to Antigua and Barbuda Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer. Spencer, the incoming chairman of CARICOM, said 35 percent of his nation’s work force are non-Antiguan nationals.

    * audio Audio | Ralph Gonsalves, prime minister of St. Vincent and the Grenadines, discusses the plan

    ST. JOHN’S, Antigua –
    Callers to the Observer Radio program waste little time letting their hostilities loose.

    They complain bitterly about what they see as a spike in crime caused by Guyanese and Jamaicans. They blast ”foreigners” flooding their schools and hospitals.

    In Antigua and other places in the English-speaking Caribbean, anti-immigrant hostilities are rising rapidly as leaders move closer to a 2015 deadline that would allow complete movement of certain people from one island to another.

    Caribbean nationals worry that the plan would reduce education, healthcare and other benefits in wealthier islands. There are also concerns that it would reduce jobs and raise housing prices throughout the region.

    ”It just hurts my heart,” one perturbed caller said on Observer Radio.

    Now, after decades of pushing for total integration and free access throughout the dozens of Caribbean islands, leaders are facing a pressing dilemma while trying to create a single regional economy built around the free movement of skills, labor, goods and services.

    Leaders from the 15-member Caribbean Community — CARICOM, for short — recently admitted that they may not be able to meet the 2015 deadline for establishing a single economy in the region — similar to the European Union.

    For example, leaders made an agreement last year to grant an automatic six-month stay to nationals entering a member country — provided there are no security concerns. But only a handful of countries have bothered to comply with their own rule.

    Such lack of action has critics questioning the Caribbean leaders’ commitment to full integration.

    ”Given the combative nature of Caribbean politics, regional decisions often become hostage to domestic politics,” said Anthony Bryan of Miami, a senior associate with the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies.

    “There is no super national authority with enforcement power or power to implement decisions, so CARICOM’s decisions are impotent, not implemented or are soon forgotten.”

    There is much fear of the unknown, which has bred discrimination and humiliation as some nationals try to visit other countries in the region.

    Discussions for a unified Caribbean region began in the 1950s, with the hope that, among other things, such a plan would stem the alarming exodus of educated workers to industrialized nations like the United States.

    According to a 2005 World Bank study, more than 80 percent of college-educated workers from Guyana, Jamaica and Haiti emigrate elsewhere to seek a better life.

    STRONG CRITIC

    President Bharrat Jagdeo of Guyana has emerged as one of the most outspoken critics of the intolerance and embarrassment some nationals face when visiting other countries.

    ”For you to have a single economy, free movement of people is essential,” Jagdeo said.

    Earlier this year, Guyana requested an investigation after immigration officers in oil-rich Trinidad and Tobago refused to allow 15 Guyanese to enter the twin-island nation.

    In Barbados, female immigration officials have been accused of turning back attractive Guyanese women out of concern that they will lure away the men on the island.

    And in the Bahamas, where tensions against Haitian migrants have constantly run high, government officials decided against joining the free-movement arrangement, citing a concern that Haitians will flood the archipelago seeking to improve their lives.

    ”One of the most tragic truths is that we treat foreigners better than we treat our own people,” Jagdeo said, referring to the hospitality shown to non-Caribbean visitors.

    TAKES TIME

    But some leaders say it takes time for new laws to catch on and old fears to die out.

    ”When you pass laws and you make decisions, it takes a little while,” said Ralph Gonsalves, prime minister of St. Vincent and the Grenadines.

    ”All countries experience the problem,” Gonsalves said.

    But some countries — notably Guyana and Jamaica, because they are among the poorest in the region — are having the most trouble.

    ”Let us be honest and call a spade a spade,” Gonsalves said. “In a number of countries, people are not so much worried about Vicentians, Dominicans or Antiguans. In part, there are not so many of us.”

    To help get around immigration officers, leaders have agreed to issue a CARICOM Travel Card called CARIPASS, which they say will provide hassle-free travel.

    ”You don’t have to go to any immigration officer, so you don’t meet any prejudices from any immigration officer,” Gonsalves said. “You swipe your card and you go in for your period of time.”

    The cards, which would be valid for up to three years, would require prior security clearance and cost about $100.

    But while the immigration card is a good start, critics say leaders have sent contradictory messages as they talk of the need to keep skilled individuals in the region.

    To succeed with regional integration, Caribbean leaders must overhaul the way they do business, said Bryan, who was born in Trinidad.

    Leaders say they are committed to the integration but need more time to prepare.

    ”As developed as Barbados is, we do not have the capacity to implement freedom of movement fully at this stage,” Barbados Prime Minister David Thompson said. “Nor do we have the capacity to absorb everybody who wants to come to Barbados and offer them the standard of living that Barbadians enjoy.”

    Critics say such excuses are just a way for leaders to maintain control over whom they allow into the country — and to win elections.

    POLITICS FIRST

    ”There is a cockfight every five years, and politicians go out,” said George Lamming, a noted Caribbean novelist and intellectual, referring to the election cycle.

    “The raison d’tre of being in politics is not the organization of social relations. The raison d’tre is to win that election at all costs.”

    Lamming, a visiting professor at Brown University in Rhode Island, holds little hope that a solution will be found soon. It’s a job for the next generation to solve, he said.

    ”The concept of Caribbean as a specific and unique cultural identity has to be planted as a lesson, one with children learning their alphabet, with the toys they use and with the games they play,” he said.

    “It is that form of absolute indoctrination which we need in order to produce, in another 20 or 30 years, the kind of Caribbean people we are.”

  • Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 2:09 am

    Hear what. run a national campaign to round up all illegal migrant and put them out. run a campaign so that immigration goes door to door and seek them out. bdos is small enuf 2 do it. Try it!

    You are not listening to the arguments, take a deep breath and lets do this properly. Let us have a conversation. There is a concern not only by Barbadians by by host populations in a global economy that immigration must be managed. That is all Barbadians are saying. Please don’t push the argument where it will promote fear. We are not stupid dont insult us Sire!

    David

  • Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 2:12 am

    At least Lamming got sense!

  • Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 2:21 am

    It seems that u already started. only a few wks ago u rounded up a few busloads in queen’s park and sent them out the country. good 4 u. way to go. pack them up and send them out.
    Remember you allow your negroman to say what he please unedited:
    “Barbadians from all walks of life get up rise up out of your slumber show bravery,do not be afraid join us in our marches to save Barbados from the detestable guyanese especially the wicked,racist Indo guyanese like stinkin Norma Faria.”

    “The point is the nasty,despicable,wicked racist and murderous europeans are RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONFLICTS IN AFRICA TODAY.”

    “Ethnic cleansing is about to happen in Barbados. MARK NEGROMAN WORDS”

    “I MAKE NO APOLOGIES FOR SAYING THAT I,NEGROMAN HATE INDIANS.”

    “The whites, the Indians,the Chinese will face the wrath of black Barbadians in a way that those people will never expect from us.”
    ******************************************

  • Adrian Hinds // July 19, 2008 at 2:28 am

    Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 2:12 am

    At least Lamming got sense!
    ===============================
    Indeed he does, he also said, he does not think caribbean integration can be rescued by the political directorate, because the discourse in the regional movement is a discourse that takes place between politicians in office and technocrats who advise them. It is a discourse that completely eliminates the general public.

    http://www.cbc.bb/index.pl/article?id=1722633

    wunnuh will have to talk to us and not down at us.

  • David // July 19, 2008 at 2:29 am

    @Reagonomics

    We have not edited anyone up to now. We are aware of the sabotage which is being tried by a few. We are aware of the change in IPs. We are aware in the change in user names and the list continues. When in our judgement a comment or blog loses value we will do what we have done in the past. We are not afraid to discuss and fight for something we believe in.

    You used a quote from Negroman which is unfortunate whether deliberate or other wise you are attempting to stoke a fire. We have allowed the conversation to run so that through discussion we might educate each other. We were pleased today to read this statement from Negroman:

    Negroman // July 18, 2008 at 5:30 pm (edit)

    Chris Halsall thanks for the information.I agreed with you that the postings to this blog has fallen to a low.I will admit that I could share some of the blame.
    This issue I am very passionate about and sometimes I allowed my emotions to get the better part of me.I know that the internet is not fool proof and information could be gather to determine where emails are coming from.Nevertheless,I remain committed to my views on this issue and no threat of investigation will deter me.
    This immigration matter must be dealt with in a manner that will satisfy us Barbadians.
    Fellow bloggers I am asking please ignore stupid Reaganomics.He is trying to derail us.Put him on permanent ignore.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 19, 2008 at 2:32 am

    so why is it ok for you to be disparaging towards us and it’s alarming for Negroman to make similar comments? would you wish for Negroman to be censored? in fairness shouldn’t you also?

  • Adrian Hinds // July 19, 2008 at 2:36 am

    David could Reaganomics be Norman Faria? nah. My god what an angry person!

    No Adrian it is not, let us focus on his arguments and hopefully we can all learn from the exercise.

    David

  • Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 2:43 am

    I was at the documentary presentation. were u there? That’s what this thread is supposed 2 b about? Ms Davis who is an accomplished barbadian visual artist and lecturer at community college made a valiant attempt to try to get people to address the migration issue with love and look at the paradox. the paradox that there was free movement of people when we were all colonies and now we have put up our own barriers. the paradox that the colonizers themselves have pulled their own barriers down. that’s what the 30 min documentary portrayed. it was never intentioned to give answers.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 19, 2008 at 3:13 am

    It seems to me from your opinions of the documentary was an exercise in social contruction. One there is no true migration taking place in the English caribbean. There in fact a lot of crowding in some areas and barriers in many others, and love has little to do with the reasons persons are moving. The two most migrant caribbean citizens are not the most tolerant of others when in their home space and do not get along well with the citizens in their adopted countries.

    I am hearten though that there is unity across political party affiliation in Barbados on this issue.

    …and another thing visual art and the TV medium can never tell an accurate story.

  • Yardbroom // July 19, 2008 at 5:44 am

    Through out History, our suffering has always been prolonged by those of us who for social, financial and other reasons sought not to be one of “us” or see the justice of our cause.

    It is a burden we have to bear with equanimity.

    Those who advance their positions in society, through bribes and other corrupt practices, find some of us who are self-centred, selfish and easy to corrupt.

    This debate is about how a small nation governed by the desendants of slaves; who have been elected in the majority case, by the desendants of slaves, manages to have and maintain a non-violent society.

    A society where black people are confident in their “skins” and respected; not only the rich and privileged but the…majority of black Bajans.

    A society where we look to ourselves by example, of the way we live, interact with others, treat our women and bring up our children, to define who we are.

    A society where there is a welcome for whites, blacks, or Indians through a fair and transparent legal immigration process. However, a society which is wise enough to learn from the history of our people.

    Remember a crowd with a just cause, marching towards a church to explain their cause, can lose their seen justification of that cause, by “one person” from that crowd throwing a stone at a stained glass window. Anger should never allow irresponsible words or activities, in order to make a justifiable case.

    Some have come among us, to tell us in an ordered society what to do.

    They are sparing in their thoughts and lectures of wisdom to their country who need it most, or perhaps their countrymen do not listen, or ignore them…perhaps we should.

    When they say wicked words like “NAZIS” just smile, and ask them two simple questions.

    (1) Has there ever been a country with a majority Indian population which has facilitated or encouraged a large significant number of blacks of African descent for permanent residence. You can think of Eurpean, Jewish, Black countries who have done so, but never Indians. I ask why?

    (2) History records the journey of the models of Trinidad, Guyana, Fiji who had majority black populations and later a significant influx of Indians the later upheaval and discord is recorded…I need to say no more.

    One does not have anything against Indians, but is is a “fact” that when large numbers settle in a country with a idigenous majority of blacks there is “ALWAYS TROUBLE” in the long term.
    It is therefore imperative that illegal immigrants should be controlled so that those who are legal can live in a well ordered society; a society not prone to civil unrest as in other countries.

    Ps: There will be “charm offensives” soon – after the racist chants – by certain groups the psychology mind games will begin, just smile and be concious of them; but let the “FACTS” and honesty speak for themselves.

  • Bimbro // July 19, 2008 at 6:36 am

    My god, Yardbroom, u can write doah nuh!!!!

    Lord!! :)

  • boredickey // July 19, 2008 at 7:16 am

    Faria says he was born in St.Jude’s Village St George in Barbados and that he holds both Barbados and Guyanese citizenships. He has VOB locked down judging rom yesterday’s appearance on Tell It Like it is with that pathetic moderator Hinds-Layne. These liberals are killing this country and they’re all on VOB including Peter Wickham. What is norman’s email address, anyone knows?

  • JC // July 19, 2008 at 7:37 am

    There are many persons amongst us like Marsha; I do not like the idea that in the morning you said one thing and then the next night something different. She reminds me of a politician.

    DANGEROUS!

    That is why many people do not vote, because politicians think people are stupid.

    One of the issues which was dealt with during the campaign of the DLP was this immigration issue (as well as ITAL) I have yet to see any of the two being established.

    We are in serious trouble, if we do not manage this problem. The illegal immigrants have a foot in the cuntry and are fighting tooth and nail to get in the rest of their body.

    The first thing to be done is to find out how many persons are in Barbados illegally and work from there!

  • fascists // July 19, 2008 at 7:40 am

    Goodness gracious. BU/David you should be ashamed. Does a person’s ethnicity indicate what kind of behaviour they will exhibit?

    Yardbroom, I have to say that although your motivation in creating a state of good is correct in concept, I must reprimand you.

    Where there is crime and racism, if it is illegal or foreign, eliminate it. You would think that some is not local? Read above?

    Just last year we were looking at the rape of our treasury but now we have forgotten? Was that legal?

    BU, blog of fascist vs fascist: Take a look within and see where evil lies.

  • JC // July 19, 2008 at 8:16 am

    fascists that is why we the people got rid of the rapist! Have Guayana, Fiji, Trinidad and Suriname proved us wrong as yet! What is wrong with proper migration policies.

    I have said and will keep on saying, anything that is going on in ones country that is not going to be beneficial to us as a nation persons should speak out!

  • Anonymous // July 19, 2008 at 8:19 am

    I am concerned that many of you have chosen to engage reganomics/peltdownman in his deliberate attempt to stir up anger by insulting with derrogatory remarks,to distract and to generally not produce a rationale,step by step argument for his position.

    Like you adrian I am now begininning to wonder if peltdownman is – if not Faria (which I don’t believe) – then an indian guyanese or a bajan born indian from the sub continent who has lived in barbados for a long time.

    The reason because his comments always refer to you bajans,you black people – and generally he seems to have no connection,no ties no love for this country – hence his extreme ridiculous position which cares little if the end result of this immigration flood is a complete destruction of our high standard of living and our way of life which was the attraction to so many in the first place.

    How has this argument been helped or advanced in any way by your engaging him – all it did was take up a lot of space,highlighted his irrational position and does not answer the questions yardbroom,adrian,david or even I have asked.

    One of the most striking thing about persons of indian descent who have migrated to other countries is : THAT THEY HAVE NO LOVE OF THEIR ADOPTED COUNTRY.

    This was quite evident in Uganda when Idi Amin decided he had enough of these indians draining his country of foreign exchange as they sent almost all of their profit back to india while they scorned his country by refusing to take out ugandan passports/citizenship despite decades of living there – he had the cajones to kick them out.

    Then you have Trinidad where indians who came there around 1807 -1830s as indentured labourers – which is what – about 200 years – these indians did what the syrians,the chineese,the portugeese who all came in the 1800s after the indians never did – these trini indians went to Canada and said that they wanted refuge status in canada because they were a persecuted people in trinidad and fleeing for their lives.

    Trinidadians to this day have not gotten over the shame of this by their own – people who have financialand political wealth and power.

    The bottom line is they are like parasites feeding off the blood of the natives until the people and the state have become so weakened that there is nothing left – and then they move on.

    Have you ever noticed indians don’t join the police force in any large numbers – see guyana and trinidad ( they are now trying to change that as they see the strategic position the security forces hold in a country.

    Indians don’t engage in any nation building activity – they only try to buy and sell – why is that do you think?

    Secondly:
    I hope you who listened last night heard dennis kellman repeat that barbados had the most caricom nationals coming to barbados since the implementation of CSME – that is – 178,000 persons.

    No one knows how much of those went back.

    Kellman also stated that he felt that the population of barbados is set at around 315,000 persons – this a jump to 65,000 persons in the matter of a few short years.

    I actually believe based on information some within immigration has privately projected that about 130,000 more persons instead of 65,000 are here on top of our 260,000 residents.

    I don’t understand why anyone is listening to that corrupt man basdeo jagdeo – every one knows he is actively encouraging this – and when owen arthur was prime minister david thompson said they had entered into a secret pact.

    I suppose this is why peltdoenman/reganomics feel so frustrated now to see that now being derailed.

    I just wish some of the DLP politicains like kellman and sinckler and others would pay attention to Balwin spencer from antigua,Golding in jamaica,manning in trinidad,gonsalves in st vincent – they are not disturbed by what jagdeo or any body says – they look out for the interest of their country and kick out the guyanese the haitians -whoever once they have breached their immigration laws.

    What is stopping you mr Thompson?

  • JC // July 19, 2008 at 8:44 am

    You want to know what has me HURT about this entire situation? Every one is putting a lot of HEAT on Barbadians why is’nt this constant attack being placed on Jagdeo. why doesn’t he get his act together!

    Why are bajans labeled as Racist and Xenophobic!

    Imagine, in Guyana the racial tension is deafening and persons are saying that we bajans are Xenophobic and racist!

    When all we want is properly managed migration policies to protect our livilihood and family!

    What is wrong with that?

    Why isnt Jagdeo being charged for murder and courruption.

    I read in Katieur news that Hinckson is being held on bogus charges and guess what color he is BLACK!

    We are not racist it tis just the opposite Indo Guyanese are Racist!

  • David // July 19, 2008 at 8:57 am

    @JC

    The answer is very simple. Someone said recently that Barbados is an easy democracy to manage because the nature of Barbadians make them COMPLIANT. This why people would take advantage. Blogs like BU will be seen as a threat because it is taking discussion down an unaccustomed path. Hopefully the BU family will ensure that this avenue stays open and in return we will do our best to manage the comments to ensure good discussion.

    People who listen to the debates hear our MPs under the cloak of parliamentary privilege treat each other in the vilest way sometimes. Because they do it in parliament we suppose that makes it fime but an ordinary Barbadian does it and …

  • Bush tea // July 19, 2008 at 8:57 am

    Actually, Bush tea has a different position on this whole matter.
    My fear is that in the absence of decisive action by government, in the inevitable hard times ahead -caused by the declining global economic situation – and accelerated in Barbados by the wastage and thievery over the past 15 years; by this very immigration scam of Owing; and now by the indecisiveness of our ‘last hope’ government – Bajans may adopt the ’solution’ recently used in South Africa to deal with the so called ‘intruders’…

    I would hate to have an accent when such a time comes around…because both legal and illegal ‘intruders’ will be at risk…

    People like ‘Reagonomics’ and Faria by their aggressive rhetoric, are simply stroking fires that may come back to burn the very people that they are claiming to represent…
    …far better to seek to understand the genuine fears of Bajans, and to advise all those living here to ‘become Bajan’ in attitude and character and to seek to become an accepted part of the society that they CHOSE to join…

  • JC // July 19, 2008 at 9:36 am

    JC // July 19, 2008 at 9:29 am

    Anon in todays paper there is a story of a guyanese who went on a rampage at Bayview Hospital and is now in Dodds.

    It seems as if he was asked to leave and decided to break a window; but you have not heard the best.

    Imagine, he had the audacity to ask for a phone call to Austria to call his wife! the judge replied we are paying for your deprtation already! LOL

    This place has turned into a loony toon town! Marsha is leading the race of loonies and traitors!

  • Sam Gamgee // July 19, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Life is definitely dynamic.
    Anybody remember Mac Fingall’s song 2009 when he claimed he was taking a trip through time and ‘butt’ up on the year 2009? Think about it.
    Years ago one of my best friends said to me that B’dos has a well established societal ladder with the whites at the top and the blacks at the bottom that has worked for years. He said when the Indians come the trouble is going to start. I think it has. This thread is proof of it.
    I know for sure that the B’dos of 2008 is not the B’dos of 1988. I watched some young men captured on T.V. about 2 years ago throwing rocks somewhere in St. Lawrence Gap I think it was and the thought came to mind that we have crossed the Rubicon.
    I think we can kiss the ‘well -ordered ’society goodbye and start to build our bunkers. Anybody read Hoad yesterday?

  • Sam Gamgee // July 19, 2008 at 10:03 am

    Oh and let us not forget the money part. I know Bajans love rich people regardless of their colour. I think we have reacted to the Guyanese in this particular way because they are not bringing anything to the table but they are trying to improve their lives in some instances and wreaking havoc in others.
    Regardless, Barbados is changing and not necessarily for the better. Make the adjustments you have to now. You can’t say that you did not see the writing on the wall. I assume that with our excellent education system that you were also able to read it.

  • Anonymous // July 19, 2008 at 10:06 am

    JC

    You have raised an interesting point.

    Has anyone considered the cost to barbados of sending back these guyanese illegals if no help is forthcoming from basdeo jagdeo of guyana?

    I think that just as this government asked the west african country of ghana to pay the cost of airfare for their illegal residents to return,so to must david thompson ask guyana to pay something whether in cash or in kind e.g. lumber,rice,something to offset the tens of thousands of guyanese airfares we might have to pay.

    Or seize their bank accounts and assets and fine the households and businesses who were renting to them or employing them.

  • David // July 19, 2008 at 10:09 am

    @Anonymous

    Maybe you want to widen the scope of your response to include other undocumented immigrants who are on our tiny island.

  • Anonymous // July 19, 2008 at 10:14 am

    I cannot speak about Guyana and Fiji but having lived in Trindad for many years (and I am not Indian) the references to Trinidad by posters amount to nonsense.

  • David // July 19, 2008 at 10:18 am

    @Anonymous

    Maybe you can identify arguments where Trinidad was used and rebut using some reasoning. To just disagree with it is not a value ladened position.

  • Anonymous // July 19, 2008 at 10:28 am

    David

    If you are referring to my anon post at 10:06 a.m. – then yes I agree with you that all countries where large amount of illegals are found here in barbados should assist us and our fragile economy by paying for the airfare or cost of deportation of their citizens.

    Remember barbados is not the USA or Britain – some of the wealthiest countries in the world.

    We have very little as it is already.

    Guyana however is singled out because it is known by ALL concerned that the largest amount of illegals in barbados are guyanese probably close to 70,000 of them,and also that their president jagdeo actively encourages this because of the remiitances and foreign exchange his country gets from it.

  • David // July 19, 2008 at 10:35 am

    @Anonymous

    Actually we made the comment at you tongue and cheek. We wanted to put ourselves in the position of a VOB moderator e.g. Marsha to evaluate the feeling. We all know that Guyanese documented and undocumented workers have been allowed to descend on Barbados in an unmanaged way.

    We will wait on Minister McClean to retrieve this problem. We were tested in 1991 when many of our neigbours ridiculed us and we will surmount this challenge of that we are sure.

  • Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 10:35 am

    Ambassador Kellman is the only person in this debate who has made any kind of sense.
    It’s obvious that Guyana is exporting people because of the economic hardships there and the answer is to rebuild guyana and that has to be a collective responsibility of caricom. That’s the only way u r going to stem the flow of “economic refugees”, both Afro and Indo. Once there’s a loophole in the system where persons can enter as tourists, it can never be controlled esp within the context of caricom/csme. So the real solution is to invest in guyana and help to rebuild that nation.
    Additionally, no one has been honest enuf here to admit that guyana is experiencing “revenge politics” for all the ills that burnham himself committed against indo-guyanese.

  • Anonymous // July 19, 2008 at 10:43 am

    David
    re Trinidad, you can’t be serious! Those making the claims are the ones that should back their claims up. All I would say is that the race talk comes up mainly at election time. Also the fastest growing section of Trini society is the Dougla!

  • David // July 19, 2008 at 10:50 am

    @ Anonymous

    Maybe we can start the debate a little. Can you tell us the demographic in the membership of the UNC party vis a vis the PNM? Perhaps we can start there and then we can examine the role of Basdeo Panday and other issues. The BU family yearns to be educated on these matters, in fact in is an imperative.

  • Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 11:03 am

    “We will wait on Minister McClean to retrieve this problem.”

    Y do u think dis problem was given 2 a non-elected official 2 manage? Becuz when she fails 2 deliver, hopefully it will have little impact on a constituency seat.
    De poor woman is set up for failure. She has no clue what she’s up against.
    These r the interest groups she has 2 fight:
    * Civil servants who will protect themselves and their colleagues
    * Plantation owners and farmers who hire a significant portion of the “illegals” (as u call them) to supply their shortage of labor (for the simple reason that educated bajans are not goin in2 agriculture and there’s a stigma still against working “in de fields”)
    * The construction sector which continues to keep the economy buoyant and requires labor
    *Human rights activists (like me) who will fight to ensure that children of “illegals” born in Bdos are given all the rights…this is based on the principle of human rights and reciprocity because we dont feel that children born to bajans who are illegal in other countries should be deported to barbados. This is the jurisprudence of reciprocity.
    *The supporters of caricom/csme

    These are all the interest groups that Ms McClean has to fight and win; or better yet, she has to bring them to the table and start to negotiate.

  • David // July 19, 2008 at 11:18 am

    @Reaganomics

    The little we know of the goodly Senator if she fails it will not be because she did not try to do right for Barbadians. That is all we can ask of any Barbadians appointed to serve. This expectation contrast starkly with the open door policy of the previous administration which had it genesis in greed.

    Your supposition that Minister McClean will fail is a defeatist position to which we wil never subscribe. If she falters we trust the Prime minister to continue the process. As law abiding citizens we can do well to learn from terrorists and admire the zeal with which they apply to achieve a cause justified in their eyes.

    THE BU household will continue to pray that those chosen to lead Barbados in these challenging times will make the BEST decisions in the interest of the PEOPLE.

  • Anonymous // July 19, 2008 at 11:41 am

    First of all maxine mcclean is a very determined person you only have to listen to her speak.

    I have complete faith she will do right by us if the prime minister allows her and bajans en mass support her.

    She however is going to get resistance from corrupt immigration and police officers and civil servants
    .However there are decent,hardworking immigration officers who didnot (unlike some of their colleagues)benefit financially and otherwise from these illegal guyanese and others and they are also going to provide valuable support along with other decent,well meaning civil servants who care deeply about their country.

    Reganomics is certainly engaging in wishful thinking.

    What does that poem say again David? – having a senior moment here – “there comes a time in the tides of men…..perhaps my good friend Yardbroom can help here.

    Any way it has been said before -’all it takes for evil to flourish – is for good men to do nothing’.

    We don’t intend that to be said of us here in barbados – by our children and grandchildren.

    On another matter I have been doing research and gathering info on mauritius – and so far it protrays a similar picture to what happened in Fiji – I will be trying to get some more information.

    Finally David anybody can come on the site and say what others are saying about trinidad is not true – no facts to back up that statement however – nothing.

    There is also no contrasting eveidence to counter the many,many,many specific examples given by other bloggers on this site about the nasty situation between the races in trinidad and the awful practices of indo trinidadians.

    These are all red herrings being done by just one or 2 persons using different handles – to get the bloggers here to chase at windmills – go tearing down at an unsupported argument – and distort the seriousness of the debate.

  • anotherview // July 19, 2008 at 11:53 am

    The Internet is viral. All the BU family need to do is email links to their friends. They can also spread by word of mouth. Your name is David maybe there is some significance if I use a biblical reference.

    Let the people come to BU, you are making waves. VOB putting Faria on air is a step in the journey although very small. Keep on doing what you doing Sammy (David).

  • fascists // July 19, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    Where is/was the evil: the immigration Department and its $500 work permits- you (the evil Guyanese) pay me the good hearted Bajan money up front, give me your passpoort and I bring you the permit.

    Who are the fascists?

    A former Chief Immigration Officer in charge of Guyanese in Spooners Hill is executed.

    Who are the fascists?

    So you see, my good fascist friends , it is both inside yourselves and inside others. You are not blameless. To make good come you must first look within, take away what you yourselves are doing… and then, and only then… will you see clearly the truth.

    Love.

  • Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    “As law abiding citizens we can do well to learn from terrorists and admire the zeal with which they apply to achieve a cause justified in their eyes.”

    ????????????

    One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter…

    I certainly will not will not wish to take this out of context…it must have been a freudian slip!
    The things that men have done in the name of the law and religion and in what they believe to be right!

    What a freudian slip!

  • Anonymous // July 19, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Guyana already owes Barbados 144 million dollars from the multilateral clearing facility

    asking to pay in kind for illegal guyanese might be a big ask-(malick’s version)

  • Yardbroom // July 19, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    To Anonymous

    I loved you, so I drew these tides of men
    into my hands
    and wrote my will across the sky in stars
    To earn your freedom.

    The opening lines of the dedication to: Seven Pillars of Wisdom

    By T.E. Lawrence

  • Malick // July 19, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Faria gave Ministry of Health benches today as gift from Guyana. Reaganomics was not posting at the time. David do as boredickey asks and get Faria email address and home address. A corrupt immigration or customs officer even a desperate guyanase would give the informatoion up for a few dollars. Thats easiest way to bring Reaganomics to his senses. Loveridge detractors knew his address when he was a thorn in BLP side.

  • Anonymous // July 19, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    Thanks a million yardbroom.

    I know I can count on you

  • JC // July 19, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    I am so glad that there is BU. I want toknow if Faria think that all of Barbados is for sale when he gave Estwick some benches!

    You see how they are? they think they can bribe any and every body!

  • Anonymous // July 19, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Malick, david says reganomics is black and he is not faria.

    David probably has information we don’t know anything about,however I can tell you that interestly enough reganomics did not post on the site between 5:00p.m.friday evening and 8:25 p.m. friday night.

    The VOB programme ran from friday 6:15 p.m. to friday 7:40 p.m.

    Maybe reganomics was to busy talking to post or maybe he was to busy listening to faria.

    After 8:25 he was in full form as if bolstered by something.

    On the matter of the gifts of benches to the ministry of health – that is typical modus operandi of indians – they always turn up at the places of business or residences of influential persons, usually civil servants with unsolicited gifts/bribes.

    Last night faria complained that ‘his people’ the illegal guyanese were not getting free health care,and he spoke to david estwick and estwick told him to speak to “operatives in the ministry of health”.

    You know something I don’t want to hear a damn more about forensic audits until I see some immediate deportations on a sustained basis,until I see an audit into the passports,permanent residency and work permits section,and until I see some revocations of past fraudulent citizenship/passports decisions and a tightening up of the qualifications for citizenship.

    I want to know if these politicians don’t have any pride in themselves,if they must always let every race see us as hungry,greedy black people who can be easily bribed and will sell out our people for 30 pieces of silver.

    Who are the real masters of these members of parliament – the black loyal voters or these white,chineese and indian bloodsuckers?

    Without us the black people in our numbers voting for them, they cannot depend on the votes of the whites or even the indians to give the numbers so that they can occupy these positions of influence in our parliament and in cabinet.

    Now that they have been vaulted to the top – the greeks have arrived bearing gifts – in the form of norman faria,in the form of Mrs Ram david thompson former client,in the form of abdul pandor,peter harris,COW Williams,the sugar plantation owners,the construction company owners and on and on.

    Now these politicians are busy making policy and decisions and not listening to us.

    Now sinckler and kellman could talk about treating the guyanese right while ronald jones says nothing at all about whether or not he will reward the children of law breakers.

    Estwick it seems has now been given benches and instead of sending away norman faria with a flea in his air – faria is instead is told to speak to ministry operatives.

    Would the people in kirtons st phillip be given this same kind of favourable consideration?

    Can the illegal bajans in new york,or britain or even the legal ones in guyana or caymans dare to expect such a treatment from minsters of government in these countries?

    David thompson for your own good and the good of the party I am asking you to rein in your ministers and let there be one uniform policy that EVERYONE adheres to.

    Not chris sinckler and kellman and estwick and others spouting off their own policy and doing their own thing which is causing great anger and a boiling rage among your people – the people who voted for you.

  • David // July 19, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    @Reaganomics

    We have not made any slip and we are sure that you understand what we mean. On your earlier point about Thompson setting up McClean to fail we forgot to mention that if you use your logic that we might say the same thing about what Manning is doing in T&T. All of his key ministries are being run by Senators.

  • David // July 19, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    Here is a useful text which gives a feel for how Minister McClean and her government is leaning.

    BRIDGETOWN, Barbados, CMC – The David Thompson-led government has put an immediate stop to issuing work permits to non-nationals unless there is enforcement of a requirement to train a local for the job, The Nation newspaper reported Thursday.

    Leader of Public Business in the Senate, Maxine McClean, gave the warning on Wednesday as she introduced the Immigration (Amendment and Validation) Bill 2008 in the Upper House.

    McClean, who is also Minister in the Prime Minister’s Office, said there had been a requirement of training Barbadians to assume jobs for which work permits were offered. She said this was especially so for contracts running three years and more. She lamented that since taking up her post she has been hearing from immigration officials that this requirement and others were no longer being enforced.

    “I can say that this government, through the appropriate office, has taken a decision that it will no longer be ‘used to do’,” McClean declared.

    The minister said meetings had been held with representatives of the Immigration Department, the ministries of education, labour and tourism – as a major employer of various levels of professionals – to revisit the procedure to be put in place to address the issue.

    “It is necessary that practice stand alongside policy and formal procedure,” she added, “and when our practice falls away, we see clearly the demise of all that we seek to achieve”.

    The minister said the bill, introduced this week, was aimed at ensuring that both legislation and policies as well as programmes were there to control – not prevent – free movement of people.

    She said she did not feel comfortable that government did not know how many non-nationals were here – not just from one country – but from the Caribbean, Europe, Asia and Africa.

  • JC // July 19, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Anon, if the DLP dont be careful they will loose the government since people would have lost all faith AND respect in them!

    I know that they have found themselves in an awful predicament. I have a cousin in New York whose business deals with many wellknown companies here. He told me that he does not know what Owen and friends were thinking but they have messed up every institution they have put there hands on. and when they couldn’t pay the bills. They sold piece of Barbados!

    Persons have become accustomed to paying the politicians to turn a blind ear and eye; However, I have news for Thompson and crew we young people dont play that one. The men on my block realise that you are trying but as my friends say the day ‘you decide to disc the programme’ that is where civility ends WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR YOU AGAIN SIR.

    Do not allow your ministers to be easily bribed! I was disppointed with Kellman! He should have told off Faria, he was all syrupy he made Faria to think that bajans are stupid!

    Some men from off of St. Philip’s block up by Estwick cannot get to hear him but Faria can hear and see him to give hime benches! Faria my friends gave him their Xs so he could SIT down in a chair to represent all legal migrants and BAJANS!

    You all are too bribing and need to be taught a lesson in etiquettes and principles!

    PACK OF BRIBERS!

  • Negroman // July 19, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Why is it that each time black people are prepare to stand up and defend the fundamental rights that we have as human beings that all types of labels are attached to us.The labels attributed to me will not daunt me from doing what I consider to be noble and right.
    It seems that all the other races could illtreat us,murder us,belittle us and all types of bad hurtful things are said about black people and we must not retaliate.It is amazing the type of world we live in today.
    Almost daily black workers in Barbados are treated with utter contempt by white employers,indian employers and chinese employers and there is no recourse for them.
    I know of many cases where black workers in stores in Bridgetown were racially abused by indians employers.The Royal Shop and that clothing store in Swan Street are two cases in point.Also as mentioned that indian store in Tudor Street that pulled the white customer out of the line of black customers and procceded to look after her and neglected his black customers.Also daily in the hotel sector black workers are racially abuse by white and other ethnic visitors.
    Must we as a people be prepare to continue to accept this kind of treatment?
    This blog is doing a fantastic job at highlighting and dealing with issues that the main stream media houses in Barbados are afraid or unable to address.
    Marsha Hinds is in a precarious position.It is her job and I believe that she let her true feelings be known at the showing of documentary.However at her job she is mandated to perform the role she performed on the call in programme.It is not surprising.Remember Vic Fernandes is a guyanese and he is the CEO of VOB and that is owned by Trinidians most likely indians.
    The staff at VOB and the Nation newspaper has being hijack by the owners of those businessess
    I am contemplating putting my ban on VOB to extend it to the Nation newspaper also.I had problms with the Advocate but I think the Advocate is the better newspaper now.If any of the bloggers have a copy of last week Heat newspaper please read the Rodent column in that paper.It attacked our former Prime Minister the fool Owen Arthur

  • JC // July 19, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Negro man in the biography of Otto von Bismark I cant remember all but he said ‘ a person’s moral worth begins only at the point he is willing to die for his principles.’ I think of these words when I think of you.

    There are many bajans when pushed hard enough that will follow you so dont give up David and BU, JC, Anon, AH, and many more of my working colleagues and friends on the block are like this so dont think or feel that you are alone.

    We are docile persons and love to complain and grumble!

    I am glad that this young generation are not like that!

    Marsha will graduate this semester at UWI and is a teacher at one of the primary schools; I make no apologies for saying that Marsha has sold out my children’s and her children’s future!

    I SAW her with my 2 eyes kicking up pist in the back of Solidarity House about this issue. And I personally think that she even if she wanted to protect her job she should have been less bias!

    If you fall for everything how can you stand for something? It was a very dismal performance by Kellman, Sinckler and now Marsha.

    These are people that our young people will seee as Icons and this is what these persons are willing to do!

    I am not saying to be disrespectful to persons opinions; I am saying that one should have PRINCIPLES! And stick to their guns and beliefs!

    I am very disappointed that is the truth!

  • Reaganomics // July 19, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    “There are many bajans when pushed hard enough that will follow you so dont give up David and BU, JC, Anon, AH, and many more of my working colleagues and friends on the block are like this so dont think or feel that you are alone.”

    Negroman…dont mind he ya hear…u would b out dere by yaself my boy…bajans is bear mout…

  • JC // July 19, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    You think so Reganomics. Well there wont be just you it will be negro man and jc!

  • JC // July 19, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    I would like bajan bloggers to ask Jagdeo why he continues to treat the press and his people lie this: this is part of an excerpt from a journalist namely Kissoon PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAD ALL READERS what is gong on in our ‘neighbourly’ country:

    My theory on this page since the last general election is that PPP’s authoritarian madness would have intensified because the PPP itself was surprised that it won a majority at the August 2006 poll.

    That victory did something phenomenal for the collective psyche of the PPP – it told the Freedom House oligarchs that they were invincible.

    It was a tremendous psychological apocalypse for the PPP. They themselves did not believe that the East Indians would have stayed the course with them.

    Politically, August 2006 marked the final decline of this nation. The PPP is now saturated with the syndrome of messianic aura. The result is dictatorship.

    A caveat is in order here. I do believe many of the autocratic atrophies we are seeing are not the direct inventions of Freedom House because I do recognize there is a split between Freedom House and New Garden Street.

    However, without Mr. Jagdeo, elected dictatorship was the likely outcome anyway, even under Cheddi Jagan. Jagan and his protégés, who are in power now, at the psychic level, do not accept liberal democracy.

    They are in fact highly cynical and deeply contemptuous of all the values that inhere in liberal democracy. For them these are bourgeois falsities and deceptions.

    If one examines, Mr. Jagdeo’s style of politics since the August 2006 victory, you can detect a sense of triumphalism.

    Mr. Jagdeo and the PPP are telling us in subtle and not so subtle ways that they are invincible and unbeatable. The concatenation of atrocious and deplorable policies since August 2006 has been relentless.

    One can say that since August 2006 the Guyana Government is on a dictatorship train that is out of control. Go back to August 2006 and you see one nasty violation after another. There has been no pause.

    Examine the runaway train since then. Soon after the election, ministers were sworn in without being appointed Members of Parliament.

    The courts ruled that the President did not commit an illegality. The autocratic habit from that moment has travelled faster than sound.

    The year 2008 is halfway through and look at the shape of elected dictatorship – torture of suspects, refusal to hold enquires into national tragedies, constitutional violations, reaffirmation of the radio monopoly, the nonchalant rejection of the Freedom of Information Bill of Mr. Trotman, the Hinckson case and many more too numerous to mention.

    We arrived at the sixties. The time machine has taken us back to Premier Cheddi Jagan and his ban on Kit Nascimento.

    The Gordon Moseley ban is just another example of the theatre of the absurd that the Government of Guyana has cocooned itself in.

    All over the world, democratic leaders have to live with journalists whom they feel do not report them correctly.

    On leaving his Prime Minister job, Tony Blair referred to the media as a feral beast but he never banned a journalist from his press conference. The lessons of the past have shown that dictators after a while become irrational.

    It had to be an irrational act to tell a journalist how she/he must report the head of a government.
    In Moseley’s case he was also told he was disrespectful in his letter of defence.

    I hope Moseley replies to that and informs the younger minds of Guyana that people who want respect from others must earn it.
    ———————————————————–

    Reganomics you mean to tell me that I will not find 1 single bajan who has respect; for it seems as if it is lost in Guyana!

    It seems as if they have lost the knowledge of comprehending what is wrong and what is right no wonder their bad attitude is seen here and all over the world!

    If the press has lost all confidence in them how do you think the few decent people in Guyana feel!

    Slowly but surely it seems as if the press in Barbados is becoming a pussy cat and refuses to let good journalism based on truth and facts be the order of the day!

  • JC // July 19, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    It seems as if two Guyanese have died on Bay Street if my sources are correct. I was wondering if it was by the Guyanese shop on BayStreet. Has anyone herd anythign?

  • Wishing In Vain // July 20, 2008 at 12:48 am

    Nothing that I have heard either, you know how quick these Guyanese are to get tobanka and end up drinking grass killer !!!

  • Anonymous // July 20, 2008 at 7:46 am

    JC

    Where did you get that report that 2 guyanese were killed?

    There was nothing on the 6:30 a.m. news.

    Notice the nation seems to have given ricky singh the editorial page in today’s sunday sun – because all that is in the editorial today is what rickey singh is reported to have said at the tuesday so-called film viewing and in his nation newspaper column last week.

    4th estate eh?

  • JC // July 20, 2008 at 7:54 am

    I heard some persons on Baxters Road talking last night; I guess it was just a rumour.

    Some one told me this morning that Estwick said that bajans went to Guyana in the 40s lol! And that he and Faria are long time friends!

    Mr. Estwick if you read the blogs I want you to know that when you came asking for my friends vote in the Chapel a lot of them supported I myself begged them like a dog to support you including my children’s family who reside in that area!

    Were we not your friends, we didnt know you for years; but we trusted you with our X. When you talk Estwick remember that Bajans aint easy, especially the young people just remember that sir!

    We went and socialised with everyone in Guyana and Guyana huge is asssss dont talk no shite sir! We fed up of taking promises and no delivery so study you head realllll good!

  • The scout // July 20, 2008 at 9:50 am

    I see norman fartier playing up to estwick again, offering benches to the ministry of health. Maybe these are for the old indo- guyanese that he plans to bring over to our district hospital, since our district hospital is superior to their general hospital. How can you present through your guyanese parasites something to our ministry that your country needs badly; that’s unpatriotic. Fartier you’re a traitor to your own country. That a form of treason

  • JC // July 20, 2008 at 9:59 am

    I think it is high time somebody tells off Faria scout; how r u? Not reading enough of you!

    I hope you have not given up, many of my friends are saying already that I amde them vote and look the Guyanese have more rights than them.

    To tell you the truth yesterday I felt bad when they said that; I thought that Kellman and crew would have done a better job in representing us.

    I guess the Guyanese will vote for them the next 5 years! lol!

    They love to use dont they wait until there is nothing else to get!

  • Anonymous // July 20, 2008 at 10:01 am

    JC

    In todays nation there is a report on the back page of one man being killed and a woman in hospital with gun shot wounds arising out of an incident at a bay street establishment.

    The identity of the persons have not been given – so you may be right after all.

    I don’t know if david estwick did say that about faria and holds that pro-guyanese stand.

    However I will just reiterate that David Thompson needs to get on top of this guyanese issue and make sure that all his foot in mouth diseased minister need to get on board and get with the programme.

    Most of these ministers are men – and may be thinking with a particular part of their anatomy rather than their brain.

    This is why my bet is on maxine mcclean to do the right thing.

    Every man is entitled to marry who he likes,but when I look at mr estwick choice of marital partner and I think of so many lovely fulsome bajan lasses that he could have chosen from – all I can say is like mac fingall’s calypso -’No Bajan’.

    Maybe that is why norman faria on VOB Tell it Like it Is cll-in show – could say with such blaise and confidence – that after complaining to the minister about illegal guyanese not benefitting from the barbadian taxpayers’ funded national health service – that the minister told him – no problem – just check with the ministry of health operatives.

    What happens next – norman faria donates 12 benches which any carpenter from st lucy or st george could do – and arising from that low – cost gift – bajans taxpayers dollars in the hundreds of thousands of dollars according to faria – will be spent on free health care for illegal guyanese.

    I think it is time that ms mcclean speak out and tell us what is this DLP government policy on social services for illegals is – and whether government intends to send the message that it is alright to break the law – you will still get social services benefits – therefore no need to leave the country after all.

    Oh by the way,have you noticed that every media outlet ie CBC,VOB,Nation newspaper all covered the donation of 12 benches from Norman faria.

    Good God man,where do these people draw the line – what is newsworthy about that ?

    However while they found the time and space to cover this donation – translation- ‘positive news for the guyanese’ – they blacked out the news – at least with the exception of the nation – of the guyanese living in st lucy barbados who was held in st vincent with a big drug haul and charged.

    Yet every day our bajan boys are splashed on the papers for every spliff they carry to the tons of marijuana they are caught with.

    What worries me is that for so early in the DLP’s term – the DLP politicians seemed to have contracted the same disiease of the former BLP lot – ‘WE DON’T HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE DESIRES OF THE PEOPLE – DISEASE.’

  • Wishing In Vain // July 20, 2008 at 10:03 am

    There is a story reported in the back page of todays Nation where it states that one person was fatally shot and a woman hospitalied after a robbery last evening at The Hippo Bar and Restaurant in Bay Street.

  • JC // July 20, 2008 at 10:14 am

    Is the Hippo Bar the one that all the Guyanese patronise.

    If it is; I have said it and will say it again and again this is the kind of negativity that I KNOW the Guyanese will start.

    Anon, and many more persons have kept on proving to the bloggers and readers of the blog what will happen if these Guyanese are allowed to come to Barbados in droves no one is listening to us. Instead, they are taking benches and the like to sit their ass down on. Instead of dealing with serious issues.

    You mean to tell me that although we the people of Barbados are crying out for proper migration policies people taking benches, wives, Aids, money and the list goes on from these people.

    Suckoo come at my house in the next 5 years and see what I am going to tell you!

  • The scout // July 20, 2008 at 10:18 am

    David
    Some time ago VOB sponsored a “point at issue” programme and it was produced as a public discussion held at the St. Patrick’s school in Jemmott’s lane. I wonder if a similar programme can be arranged in the near future. I remember, I brought to the audience attention, many of the problems now facing us and I was labelled as negative. I know that I’m a realist having experience the system in guyana. As true bajans most are re-active but not pro-active so we wait until the horse bolt before we close the door. If we couldn’t catch a hundred stray african horses, can we now catch thousands of stray indo-guyanese jackasses spread all over this country?

  • nelly avila // July 20, 2008 at 10:36 am

    will have to read all the comments but looks like ole norm is up to his old tricks again

  • David // July 20, 2008 at 10:56 am

    @Nation Newspaper

    We had a read of the Nation this morning. We watched the CBC TV last night and what is evident, even to a blind man on the trotting horse is the semblance of a PR job being perpetrated by Barbadians. Let us not forget Faria invited to be on VOB’s call-in on Friday. Almost in an avalanch manner the national airwaves is being asaulted by the propaganda which is so obvious.

    We will continue to wait on Senator McClean because we know that she understands the problem, so too the President of the Senate Branford Taitt who continues to describe his district of Stanmore crescent as Berbice South.

  • JC // July 20, 2008 at 11:10 am

    Imagine Faria gave Estwwick benches and we have to build schools;
    Imagine Faria give Estwick Benches and we gave Estwick our Xs
    Imagine Faria gave Estwick Benches and a Nursing Officer should have been the one recieiving those benches;

    I think the DLP has got to make a choice (it seems as if they have already) bajans 0r guyanese!

    I have already made my choice but my choice does not matter!

  • JC // July 20, 2008 at 11:12 am

    David this PR is not working it just seems as if they are insulting our intelligence!

    NATION, ADVOCATE, ANY JOURNALIST;

    IT IS NOT WORKING WE WANT PROPER IMMIGRATION POLICIES!

  • Anonymous // July 20, 2008 at 11:33 am

    Well said JC.

    David how you set it up even escaped me at first,that is;’the avalanche of the PR propoganda’.

    First the VOB call -in,then VOB 12:30 news on Saturday,then CBC 7:oo prime time T.V. news,and then in todays Sunday Sun – the most read edition of the nation newspapers.

    All this fuss about 12 benches.

    Wow! I now see the set up clearly David.

    As JC said imagine having no less a person than the minister of health – David Estwick receive 12 benches – I mean to say a minister of government taking time to receive 12 benches – what a picture – it really told ten thousands words.

    Remember 2 ministers had to go up the the ‘guyanese do’ up at bay street last month – the minister of foreign affairs chris sinckler and the caricom ambassdor dennis kellman.

    Now think of why 2 of our senior ministers would show up at a gathering of people who are known law breakers of immigration law and criminal laws.

    Think why 2 senior ministers – suckoo and sealy – would turn up at and indian dinner and tell those indians gathered :”carry on smartly,we are proud of how you behave – your values etc”.

    Then we had the said caricom ambassador saying one thing on VOB 5:30 news .that is .that barbados cannot afford to carry the strain of these flood of immigrants because after all we are only 166 sq mile – and then an hour later that said very minister – kellman – tells the guyanese representative faria – “man you know that we are not looking at those micro things ,we are looking at the macro – like ensuring investments in guyana”.

    What shock me was that it seemes as though kellman was saying that the 2 were mutually exclusive.

    Huh?

    Now we have arrived at the scenario of the 12 guyanese benches.

    Well the guyanese can’t complain that there are still guyanese benches at the airport because obviously faria donated all to the ministry of health.

    Plus according to the nation newspaper – basdeo jagdeo – the president of guyana – is of the opinion that guyanese are getting through real good in barbados now

  • JC // July 20, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    Anon you want to know what really hurt me!

    I was one that canvas up and down Barbados so these people could get in!

    I was the one who said there is no law or order in Barbados.

    I wasn’t ones like Faria who wanted a job, benches, or nothing of the like.

    I wnted proper representation and proper management within Barbados!

    That was all!

  • Jay // July 20, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    I can’t believe how unbelievably ridiculous this immigration situation has become after reading the latest articles from Nation news,from since when can a FOREIGN consulate facilitate immigration procedures for Barbados ?,& it almost sounds like a form of amnesty,unless I’m reading this wrong.

    http://www.nationnews.com/story/292996136799718.php

    “Guyana’s Honorary Consul in Barbados Norman Faria revealed to the SUNDAY SUN yesterday that the consulate has forwarded a proposal to the Ministry of Labour in Guyana’s capital, Georgetown, to look at what steps could be taken to start the process from there.

    Last week, Minister of Agriculture and Rural Development, Haynesley Benn suggested a proper registration system should be put in place so migrants from Guyana would no longer have to avoide officials from the Immigration Department.

    He suggested that migrants register with the consulate, which could then expedite work permits and extensions of stay with Barbados’ Immigration Department.

    Faria said such a system, once properly structured, would be “mutually beneficial” to the host country and the migrant workers. ”

    &

    “Faria said the consulate would continue to organise town hall type meetings where resource persons from the Labour Department and National Insurance Scheme could brief Guyanese on the latest procedures.”

    Foreign nationals who ARE NOT Citizens or Legal residents of Barbados should NOT be entitled to such benefits.Just a few facts concerning Immigration laws in Barbados.

    -Any Barbados Citizen can object to the Immigration department concerning a foreign national being given a work permit for a job that they may qualify for.

    -NIS[National Insurance] is meant only for those who are legally in the country

    -Citizens & Permanent residents children should be the only people who are in the schools,These are the laws of Barbados.

  • David // July 20, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    @Jay

    We have taken note and we can only surmise that there maybe a handshake agreement between the two governments (Guyana and Barbados) which is a legacy of the Arthur government. Perhaps it has to do with two issues 1)driving wages down in our construction sector and 2) the issue of oil prospecting in waters which but and bound Guyana.

    This is an opinion which has emerged to explain the unexplainable. We will continue to monitor the posturing on both sides until Minister McClean comes clean on this issue. Part of the delay from the minister responsible for immigration was the lack of authority she had in law to make policy positions on immigration. The recent amendment to the immigration law has corrected the problem.

  • Yardbroom // July 20, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    I said on July 19, 2008:

    “PS: There will be “charm offensives” soon – after the racist chants – by certain groups the psychology and mind games will begin, just smile and be concious of them, but let the “FACTS” and honesty speak for themselves.”

    I lay no claim to being a visionary, but benches!! I never thought we could be bought so cheaply. I almost feel insulted, but at least the message is clear…Bajans…sit down and shut up!

  • Anonymous // July 20, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    Iam telling you Jay each of those ministers of the DLP government say something different on the immigration issue.

    At the risk of repeating myself here,I will again advise mr thompson that it is more than enough time for him to spell out what his current and future policy on immigration is.

    He needs to suspend all granting of citizenship and permanent residences indefinetly until he can determine what the optimum population for barbados should be ;taking into account projections for our finite land space,finite water supply,finite garbage capacity,limited financial resources for education,health care roads etc.

    He needs to determine what projection with regard to returning nationals and their off springs he is going to make allowance for.

    He needs to put a cap on the number of caricom nationals coming from each country to work in barbados and have it based on a skill based requirement.X number from guyana in these sectors,X number from st kitts etc.

    Overhaul the work permit system,and in this regard maxine mcclean statement last week is a step in the right direction.

    Today jagdeo is saying he is training his guyanese people to take up jobs in these caribbean countries – I think he really means barbados – and when they arrive he wants them to be treated right.

    Of course he didnot speak about the drain on the receiving country’s foreign exchange which would happen as they guyanese send back most of their money to guyana.

    Well excuse me mr jagdeo – you really believe all caribbean leaders are as foolish as barbados to allow themselves to be dictated by a semi-literate consul general or a racist indian president of a failed state?

    Jagdeo you don’t think that these caribbean leaders are engaged in forward planning and are already taking into consideration the fact that every year thousands of their citizens will be leaving secondary and tertiary institutions and will be looking for work?

    You think these proud,patriotic jamaicans and vincentians and antiguans – really want to send their children to school to be taught by these sub standard,can’t speak properly guyanese teachers;or
    You think they want their hospitals to be over run with all these guyanese nurses or corrupt,killing machine guyanese policemen?

    Further more since we and all those who are on top of things know that you reserved the best – whether it is scholarships,government contracts,positions in the civil service etc – for your indian guyanese people – who should we expect will be going on the training scholarship that you spoke of eh?

    Of course – your people the indo guyanese – who will then be flooding in barbados teaching service,barbados police service,barbados nursing service ,as doctors and whatever else – thus in effect getting around the possible closing off of illegal indo guyanese by barbados with the proposed new immigration policy.

    Now they will be targeting legal positions – and I guess some of our ministers could expect to find at their doorsteps – a couple more of those purple heart benches,or a few pounds of your bangamari fish – and if they want it even a few of their greasy hair,diseased indian women.

    All in an effort to build caribbean frienship of course – nothing at all to do with flooding out barbados with guyanese.

    Man in time to come even the sons and daughters of returning nationals in Canada,USA,Britain and Bermuda and elsewhere will not be able to get a look in here in barbados – far less a piece of the rock to rest pon.

    In time to come…….

  • JC // July 20, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Faria is concerned, however, that a registration system could be used against the workers as well. “What we should guard against is that such a system would be used to take jobs from hard-working, enterprising Guyanese or others or penalise them in any way.”

    He also noted that an honorary consulate, or any other mission, cannot get too closely involved in work permit applications, since that is a matter between the potential employee, employer and the Immigration Department.

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    Has the DLP gone mad? Do they know what they are doing they are HURTING BAJANS !

    What is this foolishness that I am hearing just now they will be in the civil service and all over Barbados!

    Where will we the citizens of Barbados go? Mr. Thompson! Are you Mad? I will never vote again if this madness continues!

    I was the first to say that those who do not vote makes life hard for me! But although i have voted my life seems to have gotten doubly harder!

    I wonder who will be laughing come election time!

    If I feel I will go back on my word I will make sure that I am out of the island! I will not vote for this party if they do not get out these illegal foreigners!

    I am going to make sure my friends dont either!

    You all sold out for benches!

    DISGUSTING!

  • David // July 20, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    It is interesting that Consul Faria has recommended to his government to donate benches. On behalf of the BU household we want to say that we find the gesture highly offensive and insensitive. The symbolism of the ‘bench’ has negative feelings for us because of the accusations through the years by Guyanese of being made to sit on benches at GAIA. Nowadays with the new airport we believe that they sit on chairs in an air conditioned room.

    We will bite our lip as Yardbroom has suggested until Minister McClean speaks to this issue. Let it be understood that the issue of a managed immigration policy is a sovereign one. This BS about Guyana submitting a proposal on tracking Guyanese labour is unacceptable and we will blog about it in the future based on how this unfolds. It continues to piss the BU household off no end that people would want to confuse a call for managed migration with being anti-CSME/anti-integration.

  • Jay // July 20, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    In this next Nation news article the President of Guyana basically admits to exporting the problems of Guyana by using his fellow nationals.HOW is this suppose to build up Guyana if you don’t TRY to keep a skilled workforce ?
    http://www.nationnews.com/life/292996144150281.php

    “President Jagdeo explained that his country’s economic and social profile had forced it to adopt a “practical” training policy which would prepare people for national needs and for emigration.

    Giving a skill

    “I will give Guyanese a skill so that they can function in any part of the world where they go. That’s how I see my task. I don’t have an option of training them and keeping them at home. That was a different era when you stopped people from travelling. I don’t want to get back to that. My task is to give them skills, hope they would stay, and if they don’t stay I would have enough.” ”

    I know this may sounds strange,but it almost looks like Guyana is holding the smaller islands hostage until they get what they want in their own country just by reading these two articles alone objectively.

    I use to be Pro-CSME since it sounded good in theory[if it was well managed],but the reality is that NO new immigration regulations should be implemented until the current ones are enforced.I believe that if the current P.M Thompson wants the peoples’ blessing on CSME he should seriously & thoroughly enforce the current laws until the illegal immigration problem is reasonably under control,which obviously will take a lot longer than the 2015 deadline for implementation of CSME.

    Since the Bahamas will not be implementing any form of the so called “Free movement” I just realized that the only two countries in Caricom making well over $10,000 a year minimum implementing the “Free movement” aspect of CSME is none other than Barbados & Trinidad,can anyone else not see the recipe for disaster in this ?

    I think I also realized why most Guyanese nationals may also be choosing Barbados as their destination,judging by a few technical points.

    -Historically, a lot of former Bajans went to the Commonwealth of British Guyana for work.Facing hard times & struggles now in modern day Guyana some seek to repatriate with Barbados as 2nd & 3rd generation bajans/guyanese,BUT only for economic reasons.This is absolutely wrong & hence why I think Citizenship should be denied for those who currently do NOT have at least one parent who is not a Permanent resident or Citizen of Barbados.

    -Barbados & Trinidad are not only closer to Guyana but it would also make ticket prices cheaper for Guyanese nationals to enter both countries.Especially with ticket prices on the rise & oil becoming more of the problem with airlines,tickets would still be relatively cheap than say exporting the Guyanese population to Europe or even the U.S[definitely not going to happen].

    -The Final reason is the basic fact that the Bajan dollar is tied to the US dollar 1:2.A T & T dollar is 1:6.2.Money ALWAYS speaks louder than words.If you do the calculations a T&T dollar=34 Guyana dollars, while a Bajan dollar=103 Guyana dollars.That should FULLY explain why they are going to Barbados.

    @ Anonymous;The last one,

    I couldn’t agree with you more
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    David said:
    This is an opinion which has emerged to explain the unexplainable. We will continue to monitor the posturing on both sides until Minister McClean comes clean on this issue. Part of the delay from the minister responsible for immigration was the lack of authority she had in law to make policy positions on immigration. The recent amendment to the immigration law has corrected the problem.
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    LOL,I wonder if that would be a good idea though,can you imagine if the BLP got back in with powers you described ?
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    JC said:

    DISGUSTING!
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    I am glad you only read that article even our boiling point can felt as far as Jamaica.

    http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/columns/html/20080719T160000-0500_138058_OBS_CARICOM_ENTERPRISE_IN_DANGER_.asp

  • Checkit // July 20, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Indian Investors will be investiong more in this region. Read this article from Caribbean 360:

    http://www.caribbean360.com/News/Business/Stories/2008/07/17/NEWS0000006072.html

  • Yardbroom // July 20, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    A Policy of Lunacy:

    We have a Prime Minister in Jagdeo Of Guyana, who has outlined a policy of exporting, as he says skilled workers to other countries, including Barbados.

    May I ask in the case of Barbados ,what is our skilled workforce expected to do, when the Guyanese are competing for our jobs.

    Barbados is not a country with NO unemployment. This is an insidious policy by Jagdeo to export Guyana’s problems – which he seems incapable of solving – under the guise of CSME.

    This is a policy – in the case of Barbados – of short term imagined benefits against long term social destruction. Jagdeo has himself said he cannot solve his country’s problems… and he has no intention of trying. Does this mean this infinite policy of export of labour with no tangible reciprocal benefits to Barbados should be accepted.

    Jagdeo said:” it was impossible to stop the exodus of professionals and highly skilled Guyanese”.

    People in the main immigrate because of limited opportunities at home. If Guyana could be made a better preposition Guyanese would not wish to immigrate in the numbers they do. Most countries try to improve to make staying at home a better preposition.

    Jagdeo by his own admission has therefore given up on Guyana, why should Barbados pay the price for his lack of proper goverance.

  • J // July 20, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    Ah JC I guess you got screwed n January 15th. What were you doing walking ’bout saying that there was no law and order in this country? You know that that was never true. True some people broke the law but to walk ’bout and tell people there was no law and no order???

    Hell you got screwed JC.

  • Redds // July 20, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    I was the first to say that those who do not vote makes life hard for me! But although i have voted my life seems to have gotten doubly harder!

    the truth shall set you free lol

  • Wasp // July 20, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Within the last 5 years Barbados has seen the reappearance of “Rooms for Rent” signs not only in the slums where they were popular in pre-Independence era , but also in developed areas. Unfortunately my party , the BLP turned a blind eye to this retrograde step in our development and I hope that the DJT administration would correct it post- haste . Mr. Faria, in case you don’t know, Barbadians are renting two bedroom, single bathroom houses to one Guyanese for 2000 dollars per month. He or she in turn collects 100 dollars per head from 10 or more Guyanese tenants per week. Bedrooms don’t matter to the occupants since they use hammocks in every room. At the end of the month, the smart Bajan collects 2000 dollars tax-free and smart Guyanese pockets 2000 dollars profit. With an arrangement like this, Guyanese con-men would tell Jagdeo that conditions are improving in Barbados.

  • FairPlay // July 20, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    Why is it that other CARICOM countries can abide by their laws and deport illegal immigrants but when Barbados does it is deemed as racist and xenophobic???? Why is it that the only name Jadeo et al can call in their non-sensical rhethoric is Barbados?????

    It is time that Bajans put their money where there mouths are. we still have the economic power. Buy from blacks, join together and start businesses ,give work to blacks.
    When people label us as lazy put them in their place. That was the excuse to open the floodgates…and now look ….our birthright gone for nine benches (Only Bout Hey)

    Lets start a register of competent Bajan artisans so that pesons looking for workers know where to find them. It makes no sense to pay an illegal immigrant a few dollars less and then have increase taxes, job losses and pay cuts to build more schools and polyclinics for their children.
    Lets tell Jadeo improve living conditions in his country and keep his nationals at home to build up his country. We have lots of skilled persons here already.

    This whole situation is ridiculous, I am beginning to get very suspicious. hmmmm I suppose its not bothering the upper class at the moment…Guess they are happy sipping tea in their gated communities. But this lil island have very few places to hide as our ancestors found out in the hard way. So beware

    A word to the wise….. nine benches will not change our minds…. we will continue to agitate for a proper Immigration Policy that can only benefit Barbados and not pull us down…THAT IS THE ONLY OPTION. Please stop using CSME as an excuse this is not CSME this is utter MADNESS….

  • JC // July 20, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    J and Reddds you all r pathetic at least i tried ; What did you all do perhaps kiss somebody’s ass/ Well at least I have the guts to say that i was duped unlike you all.

    there still is no law and order in Barbados nbecause of his Lordship Owen c ur way to a rum bottle!

    He started with no more immigration policy He started allowing persons from Jamaica Trinidad and God knows where else make ‘US’ shite!

    I thank God that I am unlike the Guyanese when I get my degree and move on I hope I can still hear you on the blogs heckling people that is if you are still allowed in BARBADOSTAN LOLLLLLL HA HA HA AHA HAHAH!

  • David // July 20, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    According to the report 80% of Guyanese are flowing out of Guyana because of the lack of economic opportunity, This is a direct contradiction of what Faria stated on the radio last Friday when he spoke to the improving economy of Guyana. The reality is there is an exodus of people from Guyana i.e.a brain drain. Against this background can we ask Jagdeo a stupid question. How do you expect? But we all know the answer don’t we, it is called remittances.

    The government of Barbados need to come clean with Barbadians. Barbadians are peace loving people and generally have no problem accommodating any one coming here to better themselves, but we will not stand for this crap from Faria et al. Only last week Jagdeo to the rest of the Caribbean to go to hell at his handling censoring of local journalists.

  • JC // July 20, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    What I cant understand is how the Barbadian politicians can be so stupid as to hurt their people for other persons. These people know nothing about loyalty; hence the runnig!

    Moreover, we bajans like we think that it will affect some and not everyone. It is not about B, d,L,O, We are all BAJANS! I say it at work daily no matter what we give of our best as Bajans!

  • Negroman // July 20, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    It is painful reading today’s paper the articles by Norman Faria and Bharat Jagdeo.The arrogance and deceit of those two are too much to bear.It is incredible the nonsense I read in the paper today.I believe those two have information we dont have at least that is what it lok like after reading those two articles.
    I believe the government is willing but many factors are fustrating the efforts in formulating this new immmigration policy.I had a talk with a former parliamentarian in the last administration and he indicated that this present government is actually fooling the people because nothing could really be done to restrict the influx of guyanese into Barbados.He said it is an effort in futility.The external forces are to great for Maxine Mcclean to resist.
    After listening to him I am more determine that we must let our leaders know that we want to see result in the shortest possible time.I want this government to proof him wrong.An ultimatum must be given to this government that maybe witin the next three months we want to see tangible evidence that action is on the way with the large exodus of illegal immigrants out of Barbados.I want it to be a national event highlighted in press on a daily basis that illegal immigrants are being deported by the plane loads.If this is done then I will and thousand of Barbadians will know that this government is serious and committed to the efforts of having a structure and organise immigration policy.I am tired with the long talk I want action.
    PM Thompson and Minister Mcclean Negroman is giving the governement three (3) months to start the process of expelling thousands of illegals immigrants especially the unwanted humbugs the indo guyanese.

  • Redds // July 20, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    I thank God that I am unlike the Guyanese when I get my degree and move on I hope I can still hear you on the blogs heckling people that is if you are still allowed in BARBADOSTAN LOLLLLLL HA HA HA AHA HAHAH!

    move on to where, and get lost in the crowd, you getting worked up now on this 166 sq. miles,

  • Redds // July 20, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    JC, I know I am going to kick myself for asking this question but you need to be challenged for this statement”I thank God that I am unlike the Guyanese” this statement alone troubles me.

  • Reaganomics // July 20, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    Negroman…u r smtgh else…! LMAO
    U r a real serious fella!!!

  • JC // July 20, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Redds take it how you want to take it sweetie!

  • J // July 20, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Dear JC:

    Nobody can’t run me, many have tried and all have failed.

    I can show you the banana tree under which my navel string is buried.

    I ain’t scared and I ain’t going nowhere.

    NOBODY can’t run me outta Barbados

  • Yardbroom // July 21, 2008 at 6:03 am

    The land mass of Guyana does not cause problems. It is the attitude of the people of Guyana to each other and ethnic tensions which does. It is not rocket science to deduce therefore, that if those people immigrate in large numbers to a particular country , you also export the racial division and problems associated with them.

    When CSME was contemplated the idea – I believe – was a free flow of skilled labour between member states. It surely could not have been envisaged, that ONE country would take it upon itself to export its people…on a production line basis, as Jagdeo has said, he intends.

    One commenter here has tried to shift the debate about illegal immigration to Indian investment. This should be quickly knocked on the head.

    Mauritius had Indian investment, as a result of the Indian indentured labourers who immigrated there. What has developed over time is that the now majority Bhoijpuri – Hindu – approximately 68% of the population has an entrenched position, against the 27% Creole – African – with most of the Creoles living in poverty and complaining of race discrimination. I have previously mentioned the race problems in Trinidad, Guyana, and Fiji. I will not repeat them now. HISTORY tells us there is “ALWAYS” a pattern, in this type of immigration.

    The idea of economic investment in a tourist reliant country like Barbados, should “always” be closely examined, with a long term view of the society which results from it.

    Economic benefits and investment are meaningless in the case of Barbados if it happens that as a result of it:

    (a) People are being kidnapped and held for ransom.
    (b) People are murdered in the streets.
    (c) Robbery is rife.
    (d) Darkness at night always spell danger.
    (e) Businesses even small shops have armed guards.
    (f) The rich are fearful of their safety and sleep in guarded compounds, guns at the ready…never a guard against social discord.
    (g) The poor think of robbery as a natural way of life.
    (h) The papers daily report and picture blood soaked bodies in various physical contortions.
    (i) People justify evil acts because the victim is another race.

    Barbados depends on tourists in large numbers, people will not visit us if we have a reputation for the above. The few brave souls that do, will be locked away in hotels far from ordinary Bajans. The tourists dollars and pounds will not reach the ordinary citizens.

    This debate is widening in scope but should not be allowed to run into tributaries of mud…Barbados’ future is at stake. The main fact is that a mass influx of illegal, naturally undocumented immigrants cannot be of benefit to Barbados in the “long term”. It should be manifestly obvious to anyone, that is the case.

    There are a few self motivated individuals, whose desire is to slither up to rewards and social positions of influence, on the BACKS of ordinary Bajans, it should not be allowed to happen. The country will pay a heavy price for such deceit.

  • JC // July 21, 2008 at 6:27 am

    J I am glad that you said that but probably; you know of a cave that will suit you just fine when these illegal foreigners come and take over (they have already started).

    One thing Imust say i love your feirce love and pride for for your country! (just kidding)

    On a serious note; J we might not agree on many things but it is good to know that not a boy can run you! Very Good!

    However, I am very frustrated to see that no matter what facts we Bajans give these impostors. They seem to forge ahead as if we do not matter!

    With the sweat of our brows we have built this country and now Persons who know nothing about loyalty are able to come and take over this is SICKENING!

    Keep that fighting spirit J!

    Peace!

  • The scout // July 21, 2008 at 8:34 am

    Don’t you realise Fartier and Jagdeo behaving as though they have a right to Barbados? If a programme is to be put in place how dare Fartier to write to his gov’t to devise a system for those parasites to swarm this country. Jagdeo saying that we are embracing the guyanese. It seem somebody working some guyanese voodoo pun we. Everyday i am seeing our country’s carpet being pulled from under our feet and all we doing is talking and talking, this will happen until Fartier and crew ban us from complaining. We’re on the final chapters of this drama, the end will come fast and furious. The next chapter is to embrace those hindu and muslim festivals that are celebrated in guyana. Have you seen how the guyanese are riding some-one on a bicycle? This was unlawed until the influx of guyanese, now the police does nothing about it. Even the bajan fellows copying the habit. We dooooooom, sad to say

  • The scout // July 21, 2008 at 8:41 am

    Something BIG will soon happen in G.T. ( Fairchild Street bus stand stalls). It is customary for a bunch of indo-guyanese to start drinking as friend then end up drunk and fighting bad bad bad, even to the point of trying to stab-up each other. I’ve seen that over and over in guyana on fridays and saturdays. There is a volcano about to erupt and bajans walking pass it undisturbed.

  • Anonymous // July 21, 2008 at 8:47 am

    WASP

    You have made a sensible proposition – Barbados should set up a registry of bajan artisans so that barbadians and others if they so wish can make their selection of artisans from,and in the process put their money where their mouths are .

    Surely the ministry of labour – labour department can do something like this – or if they are unwilling to restrict it to bajan born and bred artisans – then another credible bajan can do the job.

    You would think that the unions would be in the fore front of this sort of project – but they are too busy playing politics and kissing people’s boxies.

    In the case of the barbados workers union – they will I’m sure want to involve norman faria and the guyanese workers and not restrict it to bajans.

    I wonder how come the bajan workers in that union have not been asking themselves some serious questions about the union’s lack of action – not just words – but its inactivity on the whole migrant labour matter.

    It goes beyond leroy trotman and the union: saying migrant workers should not be exploited and should not work for less than bajan workers.

    That is too damn wishy – washy – and a cop- out.

    The real problem here in our country barbados is that we don’t have a black nationalist – someone who will speak to the interests of black bajans and will take up the fight on behalf of his people and will be fearless and relentless.

    If you suggest something like this listen to the judases recoiling in horror as they tell you:’oh no you cannot speak just to issues that affect balck people – what about the chineese and the indians and the syrians and jews and whites?’

    People who already have their interest being served by the black lackey politicians mind you.

    Right now all we really have are some yellow bellied politicians who are more interested in paying their mortgages and getting a new BMW (free if possible) – and the sad truth is – the other ethnic groups realise this.

    So the cineese and the indians and the lebaneese and the whites all trudge up to the offices of these ministers of government who surprise,surprise can have time to make an appointment for them,but let one of his die-hard constituent who hit the road for him during political campaigning – try to get an appointment then the minister suddenly becomes unavailable or is not in office.

    This sort of thing requires more than talk or more than us posting here – it requires action and it requires leadership.

    Who will stand up for us?

    Who will speak out for us?

    Who will die if needs be for us?

    A cause that is worth fighting for is a cause that is worth dying for.

    Negroman may be in the smallest of minority today,but 10 years hence,as more negromen are formed through the fires of hardship and financial and social deprivation – then you would have created feelings which have hardened over time and are difficult to break.

    Amnesty to illegals,social services benefits to illegals,citizenship on the current basis to non – nationals – are not options to be considered.

    The members of the democratic labour party government on the question of immigration – like the question of hanging – are at odds with the wishes of the people of barbados.

    From the debate in parliament the only persons who struck me as being in line with – or sympathetic to – the majority bajan view were:freundel stuart,james paul and stephen lashley in the house – and maxine mcclean in the senate.

    Where do we go from here people?

  • Negroman // July 21, 2008 at 11:21 am

    They are many more Negromen out there trust me. I am echoeing the cries of thousands of Barbadians who have to tussle with non-nationals both legal and and illegal for the few jobs available today.That is resulting in the rising tension betweeen locals and non-nationals. I can feel the tension.
    The good image of Barbados worldwide is about to be tarnish if this matter is not address in a manner that is satisfactory to all Barbadians.Enough is enough.Non-nationals should be complimenting our work force not competing with us for scarce jobs.It is unfair.I I have friends and some relatives who are hunting for jobs and cannot find any but we have a set of non- nationals working at the expense of Brbadians. Do any reasonable person expect that this nonsensense will continue and the people will accept it.
    Recent criminal activities have indicated that the people are incline to start the process of social unrest.I do not condone crime but being from a poor,poverty stricken background I understand the reasons why some people would participate in criminal activity.It is not easy being marginalised and oppurtunities are not available.
    To the leaders of Barbados the tranquility of nation is about to change.Please listen to the cries of the people.Deal with this immigration issue now.

  • JC // July 21, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Mr. Singh I read with great discomfort what you implied in relation to CSMe!

    I really HAVE TO GET PERSONAL!

    I will not apologise for it either.

    My questions:

    Are you a patriot of any country;

    You see Mr. Singh I have a problem with persons like you. I was made to understand that you were in Barbados for 25 years or perhaps more. And although you know sir, that bajans are very patriotic and (funny) persons you are still forging ahead with your rattles of CSME.

    I realise in Barbados you and especially your family are above the law! However, in the court of the people you have been found GUILTY!

    Guilty of Treason, ignorance and moreso no patriotism. You yourselve have never embraced us bajans and our norms and culture; you refuse to accept and understand how we as a people think! You have never socialised with the masses. Burnham and Tom made you run!

    I have a challenge for you why dont you go back to Guyana and deal with Jagdeo (you and him I hear are big friends) make him deal with the serious problems within ‘your’ country and society as a whole!

    How dare you and the likes of you decide that you will try to insult bajans intelligence.

    Newsflash Sir,

    IT AINT WORKING!

  • The scout // July 21, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    mr. Singh has a lot of talk in b’dos now that tom dead. Tom would have had him on a slow boat back to guyana ever since

  • The scout // July 21, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    I’m calling again on anyone with influence who reads these blogs to organise an open forum where we can deal in an organised fashion the problems with the illegal immigration and the influx of guyanese into b’dos. I’m afraid if this is ignored the reprocussions can be violence. There is a strong groundswell that is being fanned by stupid remarks made by Faria and Singh. To try muzzling bajans will only lead to violence. Please take my advice before it’s too late. If you are a patriotic bajan, avoid any unwanted disturbance because all bajans would be negatively effected. He that have ears to hear; let them hear.

  • JC // July 21, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Scout I agree with you wholeheartedly.

    When I heard on Baxters Road that 2 Guyanese had died!

    Some persons thought it was the best news.
    I didn’t;

    This is just the beginning, if these persons who are n authority do not come up with a planned immigration policy, they will not be a hole for anyone to hide Barbados is just too small!

    I do not want a society in which my children will have to deal with bold racism or have to be vying for jobs although they are qualified because persons more prefer someone Indian or foreign. I find that to be very unfair.

    If anyone of importance is reading this please talk to those who can make laws because I can see that Barbaos is doomed if this situation continues every where you go you here people whizzying and I can feel the animosity building!

  • Negroman // July 21, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    I just read that in China the authorities have asked bars not to sell to black people & Mangolians because they are pimps,prostitutes & thieves.Well well well.We are in Barbados embracing and accepting these bastards and embracing them.
    I hope David Thompson and his government are observing these developments.The whole world is racist against black people .
    The time has come when we as black nations must build a powerful black empire.We must build strong governemnts,strong institutions,strong economies.We must make our best brains work for the improvement of the black world.Our survival on this earth rests with us having strong institutions to defend our interst.we must bargain from a position of strength not going cap in hand begging other people for aid.
    The black race must recognise that our survival does not depend on assimilation with other races or depending on the hand outs from North America,Europe or Asia.We must have a united Africa with strong economies,strong armies and technology that will be able to protect us from our enemies.Until we have a strong nation state the treatment that is meted out to us now by ALL the races will continue.
    BLACK PEOPLE GET UP LET US BUILD A STRONG NATION STATE.
    REMEMBER THE GRAET MARCUS GARVEY -RACE FIRST

  • David // July 21, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    BU family don’t despair, slowly but surely the truth about the untenable open door immigration policy is emerging. Did anyone hear the news today that the police is concerned about a certain group of people on Swan Street who has the storekeepers scared? Did the BU family hear in the news that the Police will be clearing the sidewalks in Fairchild Street and other places by arresting people if they have to? Did the BU family listen to Mike Browne on the call-in program today being forced to let callers discuss the Guyanese issue because Stetson Babb kept asking the production crew to keep callers online so he could have a conversation?

    Do not be ashamed to be a patriotic Barbadian who wants to protect Barbados from those in our midst driven by greed and idealism. This is our country built on the backs of Barbadians and the government should reflect the will and soul of its people.

    The vox populi must be heard!

  • Negroman // July 21, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    I listened to the news item and smiled to myself.The panic button is setting in.As I said bajans are slowly rising up out of their slumber.The breaking of the Royal Shop show window I believed sent shock waves through out the indian and white business community in Bridgetown.It made them get up and take stock of themselves.We are not the docile and timid Barbadians of yesteryear.
    It is unfortunate that human life was lost in robbery at that guyanese restaurant in Bay Street.Condolences to the family of the deceased.
    I hope the authorities are viewing these happenings because this is only the beginning.I am analysing the mood of Barbadians and it teeming with anger and bitterness against non-nationals especially guyanese indo-guyanese in particular.
    I do not want my beloved Barbados image tarnish and our mayor industry damage permanently which is tourism as a result of the authorities not working in the interest of the people on issues that are of fundamental importance to us.
    I will say again people want to see ACTION on this immigration like yesterday.

  • The scout // July 22, 2008 at 7:04 am

    JC, Negroman,Pat and others
    Let us bombard the airwaves today and onwards with a request to air our views about the immigration problem re; guyanese. Only when we make a concerted effort to be heard on air would they realise that we are getting desperate. Negroman, I know you don’t like VOB, neither do I, but if we can force their hands, let’s do it. Unity is strength. PLEASE HELP.

  • JC // July 22, 2008 at 7:42 am

    At that point in time when the call show is on I am at work. However, my friends and i have come up with a better way to make bajans more aware of this scary situation.

    At first we taught about the petition but someone made a better suggestion. So dont worry we young people willl do our part. We have to be like Bu and be secretive so no more infromation!

    We will do our part!

    You make sure to call, I will be listening to you and others come on Bajans there is a new opportunity of investment in the air!

    It is the investment in our children’s future!

  • Anonymous // July 22, 2008 at 7:50 am

    David & readers

    You see how dangerous these guyanese people are?
    In the kaeitur newspaper (see sidebar) today, relatives of the indo guyanese woman shot this weekend in aby street, are saying that she was killed by bajans because she used to stand up for guyanese aginst the bajans – and that it was not a robbery.

    These lying people are also saying it was hardly covered in the news.

    Can you believe that lie – when we know that both VOb and Cbc radio and CBC T.V and the nation newspaper carried the story yet guyanese here in barbados sending back news to guyana saying that story was hardly covered.

    I hope readers will also pick up on something in that article which typifies the rotten behaviour of these indo guyanese woman.

    The article says she is in a relationship with the griffith guy whose was killed – he is 26 years she looks to be at least 45.

    However she is married to a bajn man called sammuels who complains to the barbadian police force whnever they raid the bar looking for illegal guyanese.

    You notice who is the upholder in all of this?

    Obviously that has to be a marriage of convenience for her to remain in barbados.

    Then she gets property possibly through using the black bajan as a front – and he as a bajan is then sent to remonstrate with the police whenever the police carry out their duties through raids – all the while she is having a relationship and carrying on with her guyanese man.

    I wonder if the gunmen really went looking for the bajan man instead of the guyanese?

  • Negroman // July 22, 2008 at 9:46 am

    The Scout I will support your effort but calling the programmea and speaking to those clowns will be a bit too much for me.I really do not know if I could generate enough energy to actually lift a telephone and talk to those idiots at VOB.It might begging a bit too much.I have enough confidence in you that you will do an excellent job and articulate our concerns effectively.I might try to get in.
    As all could see these people are getting desperate and will resort to all types of schemes,diversionary tactics and the like to fustrate the efforts of the authorities.
    The message is resonating with all Barbadians from all strata of the society and we are making progress with this imigration issue.
    KEEP THE HEAT ON THOSE BASTARDS

  • Insight // July 22, 2008 at 9:57 am

    Kaieteur News – Guyana.

    Report on murder in Barbados at Guyanese owned bar where a Guyanese man was killed and the bar owner, aGuyanese woman, seriously injured.
    They report a comment by an observer that the 7.00 pm attack by two masked men, did not look like a robbery as later in the night would have been more lucrative. To them it looks like revenge on the bar owner for her pro-Guyanese stance.

    Comments, by relatives and friends are quoted in the article speculate that this attack reflects the growing hatred for Guyanese in Barbados and Indo-Guyanese in particular.

    What do you blogers think after reading this article!!! is this the stsrt of the “ethnic cleansing” that some are calling for?
    See link below:

    http://www.kaieteurnews.com/?p=3313

  • anon // July 22, 2008 at 11:09 am

    If it was ethnic cleansing why did the men run off with an undisclosed sum of money? This appears to be work of nasty criminals. The RBPF do a good job bringing these low life to justice and I anticipate they will soon collar these murderers. Like many Bajans my concern is the amount of illegals here and the negatives that can evolve from that. However I am for law and order. Let us support government in their quest to manage immigration and enforce the law. The open door policy of Owen Arthur is coming back to haunt us.

  • JC // July 22, 2008 at 11:17 am

    We the bloggers kept on begging government to look into this issue I myself kept on asking for better immigration policies.

    No one listened, I am not blaming this government but I am telling you if proper immigration policies were in place this shit would not have happened.

    I am sorry for the family.

    However, I have problems with the accusations which are being pointed at us bajans.

    Why dont they talk about the behaivour of this Guyanese woman she proves all of the points that we were making day in and day out.

    Insight I think you are being dangerous with your accusations. Years before this blog was established, tension and problems were revealing itself. NO ONE LISTENED!

    The people of Barbados begged Mr. Arthur to listen!

    NO ONE LISTENED!

    Adn now you blame the people of Barbados for this murder? why dont you quarrel with the lady for her deviant acts! Moreover, how do you know that a bajan killed her where is the PROOF!

    We have given our proof and this lady PROVED us right!

    No one should have to die like this! I am truly sorry but dont blame us bajans! I was the first to ask if it was true and to say that I am sorry for this lady!

    I just want proper immigration policies!

  • JC // July 22, 2008 at 11:43 am

    How dare you people come to Barbados and think that you can blame us for your bad behaivour this is not good enough!

  • TALKAHOLIC // July 22, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    That article has me in shock….how dare they say that because she believed in the rights of guyanese here in barbados that she was shot, why couldnt it be someone of her own kind that did it…they are looking for someone to blame but they blame themselves….if it is that bajans hate guyanese to the extent of killin them why aren’t there any more stories of this nature or even worse……you bajans really see thier way of thinking….stupse

  • The scout // July 22, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    This is IT. I have reach the limit with these people. If my reading of what’s happening is right, there will be serious upheavel in this country pretty soon. I hope bajans are ready for any potential troubles in the island. We, over the years, have been speared the ravages of a hurricane, sad to say there is a racial hurricane about to hit this island. this is when you will have to prove your patriotism.

  • The scout // July 22, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Talkaholic
    You don’t seem to understand these people. In bajan terms ” dem ready to pick a noise”. what is funny is that I warned everybody about what these people method of operation is. They are going to try an destabilise this country and what is a better time to do but at Crop-over when the whole world is focused here. They will try to appear as the innocent downtrodden persons.It irks me to the bone.

  • The scout // July 22, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    I’ve made the story from the Kaieteur newspaper available to the VOB station’s Stetson Babb and to the Press Secretary of the P.M. I’m VERY disturbed by the propaganda that is coming out of guyana. I AM READY to defend this country to the MAXXX. I warn you that this would happen.

  • Negroman // July 22, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    The Scout,Negroman is fully behind you.I have had enough.The time has come to draw the lines.
    All the descriptions we have used to describe those people are true,true,true..
    That story has being twist around and given a different complexion.It is not surprising.Those guyanese have not even allow our police force to carry out a proper investigation before shouting out about racism and a lot of nonsense.As you said they want to appear as the unfortunate victims and bleeding heart black Barbadians are so gullible many of us will fall for the trap.we must remain vigilant.
    Norma Faria,Ricky Singh and Bharat Jagdeo must be held responsible for the escalating rising tension between the Barbadian blacks and the indo-guyanese.Those three have taken Barbadians for fool for avery long time.The foolishness that is constantly coming out of the mouths of those three jackasses is making Barbadians enraged.It has me hostile against all indo-guyanese.
    I am not advocating violence but it seems we are heading in that direction.A show down between black Barbadians and Guyanese especially the indo-guyanese.
    Prime minister David Thompson,Maxine McClean and the rest this situation is getting out of control and disaster might visit this country.

  • Anonymous // July 22, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Scout

    I heard you today on VOB and I was very pleased that you kept your word.

    I almost missed you because I was not really paying too much attention.However what really upset me is that I couldnot hear almost all of what you said because mike brown cut off most of it.

    Even when you tried to express your concern with where the country seems to be heading and the need for the government to intervene now – that part was also so badly chopped up – that it really was shameful.

    I think David and BU family that the time has arrived when letters or a petition should be sent to the minister of broadcasting who happens to be the prime minister David Thompson about our right to free speech on VOB being infringed under the guise of the broadcasting regulations and license.

    What say you all.

  • JC // July 22, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    You believe that all we kept on saying was that we want proper migration policies. You believe, that we treated these people like our brothers and sisters and now they are trying to make us out to be the villains. Just because we realised that there were no proper migration policies and asked a question.

    Mind you it is not only the Guyanese but Jamaicans, Chinese, Japanese Swedish persons and the list goes on. All of this because bajans decided enough was enough and realised our familises livelihood was at stake.

    Now we are being insulted by our guests! I think that the guest should LEAVE!

    You believe that all we want are proper migration policies! And now we could hear all sorts of nasty accusations from these GUESTS!

    I STILL AM ASKING FOR PROPER MIGRATION POLICIES!

    Anon I agree wholeheartedly. Scout warned them this body warn them no one would listen.

    He who have ears to hear let them hear!

  • The scout // July 22, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Anonymous, JC.
    I always live up to my promises. I didn’t know Browne cut most of what I said. I tried to be middle road. However, I spoke to the P.M’s press secretary and to Stedson Babb, who made the police aware of the article. I think we have stirred up some more interest. I hope this potential dander can be nipped in the bud altough I believe the flower has already opened.

  • The scout // July 22, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    For all who don’t understand
    I’m not looking of strirring up trouble, I’m just trying to save this little country from parasites. Government HAS to make a definitive statement on this immigration policy so that we bajans would know where we stand. This is not an issue to drag feet on as demonstrated today by the guyanese. They are trying to destablise this country, it is up to us to defend our land.

  • The scout // July 22, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Negroman
    We know how guyanese operate, this can’t be a surprise to us. It is a situation that we were trying to avoid. It appears the horse has bolted and you know this can get NASTY. Those indo-guyanese would stop at NOTHING. Something drastic has to be done by this government NOW to command control of this country or this problem can escalate in a hurry. These indo-guyanese NASTY in every word.

  • The scout // July 22, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Where is NOrman FArier now?
    He’s probably talking to his big-up friends trying to get them on his side. Patriotism is important right now.

  • Anonymous // July 22, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Peter Wickham has and started discussing the guyanese issue – with his usual slant of course.

  • JC // July 22, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    I heard a Guyanese has been killed in Nelson Street. I hope to God not! If any one has heard please drop a line!

  • David // July 22, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    @Peter Wickham

    The ignorance which you continue to manifest on the issue of the obvious open immigration policy practiced by the last administration belies the education which we understand you would have benefited. After making this observation we humbly accept that you are entitled to your view.

    Let us register in the strongest terms that we take offense to the way you are trivializing the concerns of SOME Barbadians and the distortion, deliberate or otherwise to the views being expressed. Most Barbadians we can safely say are not anti-immigration, no Sir! Barbadians have worked alongside immigrants in the sugar industry etc from as long as we can remember. We are against a free for all at our ports of entry.

    The ignorance which you manifest on this matter is so painful that it makes us so sad.

    Have you Sir not heard the Prime Minister and other officials of this fair land express that our primary schools are bursting at the seams with 30+ classes in some instances?

    Have you not listened to the many reports which paint a picture of 10 and 15 immigrants living in one apartment? Do you understand the ramification of such a practice?

    Do you appreciate that Barbados is an island where liberalize foreign exchange does not exist and therefore all the illegals are feeding a black market for foreign currency in this country?

    Mr. Wickham we have asked you to make your poll on the matter of how Bajans feel about illegal immigration public to be exposed to scrutiny.

    Finally Mr. Wickham as a man of numbers why do you lace your arguments like us with heavy doses of opinionism?

    You Sir are on the public airwaves and you have a duty as a Barbadian to desolve your idealistic view into a real and practical approach. To be a regionalist is one thing but you have to appreciate that Barbadians through the years have worked hard and have built a brand which means something in the world. Why do you feel that we should allow it to become diluted by adopting a haphazard approach as espoused by you?

  • JC // July 22, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Peter admitted to all of us at Ms. Davis Show that he is in this thing for the money!

    David our issues dont concern him! I guess no one has heard anything!

    No news is ggod news!

  • Wishing In Vain // July 22, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Immigration will very shortly receive the full attention of Parliament and until such time I will refrain from making any comment other than to say that we have to carefully examine our situation with regard to the inflows and outflows to this island.

    Somehow I think the previous adminstration got it very wrong in their manner and their approach to this matter, let us not forget the Chinese Four Seasons fiasco.

  • The scout // July 22, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    I’m exhorting all of you as patriotic bajan to stand up for your country ; not only for you but for those who have worked hard to bring us to this stage and for those who is to continue the ground work built by our ancestors and us. this is just a bump in the road, we can overcome it. Show me your PRIDE of country.

  • Anonymous // July 22, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Did you hear the caller who said that we should give amnesty for all illegal ( which he has siad before on the programme) – he really means guyanese ( I believe he has guyanese connections) immigrants?

    The same argument he is using, the BLP used in the 1990s and that is why the number of guyanese residents in barbados jumped so high – the argument used then by the BLP was that after this amnesty in the 1990s tighter controls were going to be put in place.

    Well you and I know what happened after that – the numbers of guyanese alone jumped by almost 300%.

    Now some in certain quarters are singing that same song – give them amnesty again- and everything will change for the better.

    Hogwash,complete hogwash.

    An early male caller who said he was married to a guyanese had the most lucid argument – but as is usually the case,once wickham comes up with sound reasoning he gets agitated and starts comparing apples with oranges.

    Thankfully his view is only a minority view.

  • JC // July 22, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Anon the people of Barbados will kick up pist about amnesty because they feel threatened.

    How can you give people amnesty who have no respect for your culture, and tell lies on us!

    If this government goese this way I amt elling you the Guyuanese will have to put them back in!

  • Insight // July 22, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Why CSME is a problem:

    Caricom’s CSME means a Caribbean Single Market and Economy. … whwn fully implemented means the free flow of people and goods and services in ONE economic space with final implementation by 2015.

    Due to the changes in governments and the lukewarm attitude of many towards CSME e,g,. Jamaica, Bahamas., the CSME seems to have stalled. Governments sign on to agreements like the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) and never follow through, therefore CSME implementation is flawed and there is no force within tto force implementation.

    Despite the numerous Caricom meetings and announcements, CSME is not fully understood by the general public in most countries. Sir Roy Trotman said in the Senate that it should have been implemented from the bottom up rather than the top down. I do not think that would have made a difference in Barbados. Prime Minister of Gonsalves of St. Vincent recently said that there was a feeling of “apart-ness” and opposition to the effects of this CSME agreement. The same can be said about Jamaica.

    Gonsalves, at the time was talking in support of the Organization of Eastern Caribbean States or OECS, which consists of eight island territories sharing and integrating their judiciary, central banks and other entities into a regional body with central control…. the eventual aims of CSME.

    The OECS countries have been saying that they already have freedom of movement and many of the things the CSME is aimng for. Many of their leaders are skeptical that CSME will amount to anything, based on the lack of implementation and opposition to free movement and the integration and central controls ,that would limit the scope of some governments if fully implemented.

    Now in regards to Barbados – there is a divide between those who support the CSME realities and those who do not. It has always been my feeling that Barbados should have been part of the OECS, making it even stronger and more effective. That did not happen due to the historical reasons.

    Now OECS is a strong entity and we find Barbados nearby but by itself. Trinidad Guyana and Jamaica,are the only English speaking countries without some strong alignment with another territory. Trinidad has shown no leadership especially in helping out with their oil as the Venezuelans Petro Caribe has done, Jamaica was always anti CSME except for trade, and Guyana has “possibilities” or “potential”, so Owen Arthur and his economic backers saw that as the way to go, thus their strong support.

    The way I see it is like this”
    1. The region has to say clearly and honestly (if that is possible), what they mean by CSME and how and when it will be implemented.
    2. The people from the bottom =up have to buy into the ideas and understand the implications.
    3. If a referendum is needed to join the CSME, then have it so that it is the majority will of the people.
    4. If rejected, then the country can set up whatever controls they think they need for the movement of capital, trade and movement of people. If we still ascribe to CSME then in 2015 we have to open the doors anyway… so the arguments against free movement will not be tenable then. The choice is ours to make now.

    Barbados as a country is at the crossroads. The world has been changing rapidly and there are competitive forces against the vested interests who have controlled Barbados for centuries. The influx of T&T investments in BS&T aand BNB is an example. The hotel sector is mostly foreign owned, sugar is no longer king and the offshore “hideouts”, are being exposed by USA, Canadian and European governments looking for their lost taxes.

    Barbados has to really rethink its economy and where it intends to focus its energies. The last government squandered many resources and incurred heavy debt burdens leaving this government in a quandary as to how to fund its projects and ideas. Added to this many Barbadians are living in debt and above their means – keeping up with their peers – and will not be able to weather a downturn that may come in the world’s economies, that would affect travel and tourism. For a small country, the government is too big and bloated, too much waste and idleness and the unions are ensuring that this continues. This is the same in many other countries where people have no savings and live paycheck to paycheck…At least some Barbadians are frugal and live a sane life – they will be the survivors in an economic downturn.

    So in closing I would say this – A man like Peter Wickman is talking as a supporter of an integrated Caribbean of region of small states within the orbit of CSME agreements. This has been and still is the goal of the politicians and the businessmen within the region. However, the populace in many CSME countries have not “bought into the program”.. so there is the divide.

    People on this Blog like Scout, Negroman, Anononymous, Yardbroom, and JC are looking really for a rejection of the CSME as it now seems to Be implemented – haphazardly- at the expense of Barbados. Although I do not agree with all they have to say… I think they have valid points…. Barbados has to protect itself and its standard of living and its way of life., especially when there is such a disconnect betewwn the CSME and the people in various regions.

    CSME today does not mean that there is free movemnent and you can come and work without a permit as if it is 2015 or whenever CSME is fully implemented… if it ever is…. as I hear they have pushed the date further off. Controls have to be put in place to protect everyone involved.. the people of Barbados as well as the persons entering with permission to work there on a structured but temporary basis. Uncontrolled immigration has already unduly disrupted the equilibrium of the country and it therefore has to be peacefully controlled.

    Peace and Love

    Insight

  • Georgie Porgie // July 22, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    It is quite probable that these illegal immigrations will soon be killing local folk just as the situation that is occuring in San Francisco and other American cities.

  • Warrior // July 22, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Another thought came to mind. What if this is a Trojan Horse move, and attempt to destabilize Barbados. Legend says that the Trojan horse had 3000 soldiers in the belly two spies in the mouth.

    Things that make you go hmmmm!!! If all is Barbados is unsinkable from outside, why not sink it from the inside out.

    This monster as I said we created.

    Stop marrying the guyanese women for marriages of convenience.

    Stop getting the guyanese women pregnant, and getting pregnant for the guyanese men.

    Stop hiding illegal guyanese.

    Stop propogating the slum lord culture.

    Stop trying to be so thieving and robbing by hiring these guyanese for next to nothing, when they are capable bajans available.

    Stop to laize-faire attitude to our Immigration policy.

    Stop the corruption.

    What has Barbados ever done wrong to guyana that it would target us most to destroy? What is it that Barbados wants from guyana that it will sell its soul for? Who is the catalyst behind all this junk?

    Somebody got to know.

  • Warrior // July 22, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Here is one for the BU Family.

    The Guyana Consulate in Barbados has done several things to improve the treatment of Guyanese at Grantley Adams airport

    Stabroek News
    March 23, 2002
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    Dear Editor,

    The ongoing debate in your newspaper about the unfortunate incident in which Guyanese national Huborn David Gaul was taken off a BWIA flight at Barbados’s airport underscores the freeing up of Guyana’s media under a new democratic dispensation.

    I wish to refer to one of the letters (Stabroek News, 15 March 2002) in which the reader asks inter alia “What has the Guyana government done (or can do) to ensure the rights of its nationals travelling abroad are respected?”

    Cabinet Secretary Dr. Roger Luncheon answered this question at his media briefing but couldn’t go into details because of time constraints.

    As far as the Guyana Consulate in Barbados is concerned, your consul has carried out a number of tasks. Within months of taking over in 1994 from my predecessor, the limitations of whose office included the inability to renew passports, I arranged a meeting with the then Chief Immigration Officer in Barbados Ms. Holligan and sectional heads of the Barbados Immigration Department. Among the concerns raised with them was the continued stereotyping of Guyanese arrivals at Grantley Adams International Airport (GAIA).

    I subsequently met her successor Mr Gilbert Greaves and heads. Among other issues discussed, your consul petitioned the Department to allow the wives and children of Guyanese contract workers in Barbados to come and live with their husbands/fathers for the duration of the contract.

    The Department invited your consul (out of the 27 Honorary Consuls in the island) to conduct a session on “the Role of an Honorary Consul” in an in house training programme for Immigration from desk staff. I took the opportunity to remind them of the Consulate’s monitoring of their actions towards Guyanese visitors and the right of the mission under the Vienna Convention to seek redress for my people when their rights are violated.

    Your consul continues to make probes and investigations, speaking directly to supervisors and head of the Department’s Investigations Section, when Guyanese request such representation. They may do so while in Barbados or through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Guyana on their return there. My contact numbers are listed with the Ministry in Guyana and its Barbadian counterpart and at the Barbados Immigration and Customs Departments and airline offices.

    There have been results Guyanese have been permitted entry with expired passports after Consulate assurances, for example.

    There is sometimes little the Consulate can do (more on this later). A case in point is the practice of Barbados Immigration Officers retaining the passports of Guyanese arrivals. When inquiries were made by the Consulate, it was told that Barbadian law allows for this practice if an officer has reasonable grounds to suspect an arrival is bent on trying to circumvent regulations. The Consulate is told that rather than denying the person entry he or she is allowed into the country and the passport is returned on departure. Apparently, this applies to all non nationals and is done in other countries.

    Your consul has registered his concern with the less than satisfactory conditions of the holding rooms at GAIA for those denied entry or awaiting deportation. Reports from Guyanese indicated there were insufficient chairs and, at least in the men’s section, only one bed without sheets or pillow. The issue of insufficient or irregular food given to Guyanese detainees was also raised and recommendations made. The Consulate has further urged that those denied entry or awaiting further questioning should not be forced to sit in full view of arriving passengers (commonly referred to as the “Guyana bench”). A more private area, as is the case at other airports, should be provided.

    With regard to Customs procedures, your consul met with Barbados Comptroller of Customs and the Customs Department’s sectoral heads to raise issues such as methodology in evaluating jewellery worn by Guyanese arrivals. Wrongfully seized jewellery has been returned upon Consulate’s intervention.

    Last year, the Consulate organized a successful Town Hall type meeting for the Guyanese born residents and visitors in Barbados. On hand were senior officials from the Immigration and Customs Departments and the Consulate legal counsel who is a lecturer in law at the University of the West Indies.

    The Consulate’s approach is balanced: it is firm and insistent where appropriate and it is also conciliatory and diplomatic. With regard to the latter, it must be remembered that the Consulate, as with all other Guyanese consular and diplomatic missions abroad, is governed by protocols of the Vienna Convention. We cannot publicly criticize the government of the receiving state, in this case Barbados, or the routine administrative work of its statutory bodies such as the Immigration Department.

    The bulk of the achievements of Guyana government missions in protecting the rights of Guyanese travelling abroad and seeking redress at this conjuncture and taking into account the broader imperatives of regional unity have been accomplished largely through patient, behind the scenes work. This has been complemented by the Guyana government team’s interventions on the issue at Caricom summit meetings and other fora.

    The futile “bull in the china shop” approach is exemplified by a handful of immature nuisances coming to the Consulate’s Town hall meeting and heckling your consul and embarrassing the invited Barbados officials and the rest of decent minded Guyanese of all races and religions who came to this information exchange gathering.

    I wish to touch on wider dimensions of the situation of Guyanese experiencing difficulties at GAIA. Guyanese travelling abroad are advised to always respect the regulations including obeying police instructions of the countries they visit. Against the backdrop of improvements in Guyana’s economy providing more spending money and consequently more opportunities for travel, the overwhelming majority do. Statistics provided to the Consulate indicate the majority of Guyanese arriving at Barbados are permitted to enter without incident.

    As with other nationalities, some are denied entry for several reasons; having tampered with or false documentation, previously overstaying, coming to work without a work permit or to study without a student visa. Some, like drug mules, are jailed.

    Reliable intelligence and statistics reaching the consulate indicate that the number of Guyanese trying to circumvent Barbados Immigration and Customs regulations was considerably greater during the 1970s and 1980s. Fleeing from the harsh economic conditions and lack of democracy at the time, Guyanese came to Barbados among other countries to better themselves and their families. If there were incidents of trying to circumvent regulations (and this happens with any nationality) and if that is still conditioning the response of Barbadian authorities towards our people, this has to be addressed. And it is being addressed through the above mentioned activities and initiatives.

    The question why difficulties experienced by Guyanese at GAIA (and reportedly at other Caricom ports of entry) have effectively become a domestic political issue in Guyana stems from several developments. Among them is the fact that the Guyana media is now more open. Some analysts say it is too open. This compares to the restrictions prior to 1992. People may now print or air their complaints. Some issues are however blown out of proportion by organized anti government interests and the facts skewered for narrow, opportunistic aims.

    A second factor is that Barbados Immigration and Customs operations have become more “efficient”, if I may use that term. Computerisation came on line in 1994 and more security features are in place. It has cut down on those wrong doers getting through relative to what obtained in the 1970s and 1980s. The increased scrutiny has also meant, paradoxically, that innocent persons may be affected.

    Your consul will continue to represent the interests of all Guyanese including Mr. Gaul whose case is now being investigated by the Consulate.

    Yours faithfully,

    Norman Faria,

    Guyana Consul in

  • Anonymous // July 22, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    Thank you warrior for that article.

    Yardbroom I am sure there are many things in there that can be the starting point for an article from you.

    How about it?

  • Awake // July 23, 2008 at 12:51 am

    Norman Faria obviously suffers from illusions of grandeur. I cant see educated Guyanese in Barbados associating with this clown. Faria’s misplaced superiority complex is doing a disservice to the Guyanese who he claims to represent. Its not helping their image at all.

    This supposed honoray consul is actually talking down to us in our own country. What next will he do if we let him. The Foriegn Affairs office or Office of the Prime Minister really should summon this tin god and read him the riot act.

    Faria does not seem to understand Barbados is a sovereign state and Guyanese like any other non Barbadians are foreigners. Foreigners cannot set our agenda just as we cant set the agenda of a foriegn country. Faria you like you is a blasted idiot.

  • The scout // July 23, 2008 at 3:58 am

    Awake
    Are you guyanese? If you are, you speak sensibly. Norman Fartier, is the main proplem facing your people in this country, he’s behaving as though we are a district of guyana and he’s calling the shots. He would soon turn up at my house with some guyanese and demand that I find room for them to live. Tell him when he ready, come, I waiting for him

  • JC // July 23, 2008 at 6:55 am

    Insight thanks for your well balanced observation. You dont have to agree with every thing we say but at least I think you understand the validity of some of our points!

    I have a question to ask, if CSME is free movement throughout the Caribbean doesent that means that they should be no need for persons to need citizenship since they can come and go as they like……..

    Why then is every one flocking here and refusing to go back home. They should be no need for persons to want citizenship if there is free movement!

    I am not pleased at all!

  • David // July 23, 2008 at 7:09 am

    We have to be careful not to confuse CSME and the problem which Barbados is battling i.e. a flood of illegals. While CSME currently supports the movement of labour in a few categories the problem of illegals is being facilitated by Guyanese, Jamaicans and others taking advantage which allows Caribbean people to visit on holiday. When the time for holiday has expired they overstay. This has been happening for years. What has made this problem acute in recent times despite what Faria says to the contrary is the depressing economic conditions which are prevailing in Guyana. Barbados and Trinidad because of our relative prosperous economies are attractive to people from the other islands looking to better themselves.

    What is clear despite the idiotic positions of Peter Wickham , we need a measured/managed approach to how we manage the influx of immigrant labour. If we don’t, the structures which have made our country attractive in the first place can disappear overnight. Already we have seen the kind of propaganda arising out of the recent shooting which can hurt Barbados internationally.

    The BU family knows that we have always encouraged debate on this issue and we are pleased to observe the traditional media starting to embrace this issue. As always some people will take extreme positions but we should not lose focus on the real issues here 1). the need to have a managed migration policyand 2) the need to evaluate the soci0-impact of different ethnic groups on our demographic.

  • The scout // July 23, 2008 at 8:07 am

    One of the worse things the media can do is try to muzzle people from free speech. I’m not saying free in saying whatever you like but one should be able to express one’s self without bias from the media. unless one can express one’s selfit can lead to frustration and that can lead to a number of nagative reactions. That is what a mature media network shouls aim to prevent.

  • Anonymous // July 23, 2008 at 8:23 am

    David

    The importance of the blogs was reinforced to me yesterday by this one event.

    Yesterday morning I alerted the readers around 7:50 a.m. that there was a news article in the guyanese Kaiteur newspapers which had misleading statements and outright lies about the shooting incident o f 2 guyanese citizens living in barbados.

    Scout who had earlier warned us about the potential disruption of the country through deliberate acts of guyanese here in barbados – was disturbed by this article which he felt confirmed what he had earlier said wa going to happen.

    Scout then true to his word went on to VOB call in radio and highlighted his concerns about the large presence of non-nationals here and went further by submitting the kaiteur newspaper’s article to stedson babb in the news department of VOB.

    Stedson babb unlike some others took action immediately and drew the article to the police’s attention as well highlighting it in their news bulletin at 5:30 p.m.

    Scout even went further and drew the kaiteur article to the press secretary for the prime minister who we hope would have submitted it to the prime minister.

    What all of this shows to my mind is how we can all play our part in resolving this guyanese issue – and more importantly the importance of the internet and the blogs in these modern times.

    Over and over again others in the traditional media seek to disparage the worthwhile contribution being done by Barbados Underground and Barbados Free Press in covering important socila and political issues the mainstream media refuses to touch as well as giving a voice to the ordinary citizens of this land who going by the stndard of VOB/Mike Brown and the Nation newspapers – would never been heard if left up to them.

    BU and the BU Family we all salute you and we are grateful to you for the work you do.

  • Anonymous // July 23, 2008 at 9:09 am

    “The CSME was conceptualized as an arrangement, whereby goods,
    services, people and capital could move without restrictions (technical or
    legal) among member states. It would also provide for the harmonizing of
    Banking Policies regarding foreign exchange and interest rates, tax
    regimes, and a common currency.”

    Also read this speech by the Barbados Minister of Trade & Industry Ronald Toppin made in 2002

    http://www.commerce.gov.bb/fyi/news00p.asp?artid=62

    BU has had a thread on caricom and I agree with Negroman’s comments in this thread:

  • Insight // July 23, 2008 at 9:18 am

    The Anonymous entry above is from INSIGHT .It was sent before I was ready to enter my name and as you know any blank comments go out as Anonymous

    This is in answer to JC. thanks for your comments on my comments:

    “The CSME was conceptualized as an arrangement, whereby goods,
    services, people and capital could move without restrictions (technical or
    legal) among member states. It would also provide for the harmonizing of
    Banking Policies regarding foreign exchange and interest rates, tax
    regimes, and a common currency.”
    ( tahken from a Caricom document)

    Also read this speech by the Barbados Minister of Trade & Industry Ronald Toppin made in 2002

    http://www.commerce.gov.bb/fyi/news00p.asp?artid=62

    BU has had a thread on Caricom and I agree with Negroman’s comments in that thread:

    http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/caricom-caribbean-integration/

    Insight

  • Reaganomics // July 23, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Dis issue has obviously become a most intractable 1 as everyone is holdin on 2 their positions and there is no relenting.
    Reaganomics now says let the chips fall where they may and watch.
    Human nature is so predictable and the events have already unfolded as any observer of human nature can predict.
    De Bajan authorities have done the right thing at trying to hush up Saturday’s shooting as much as possible UNTIL FURTHER INVESTIGATIONS. This is a very wise and most pragmatic decision.
    The issue of illegal immigration will not go away, but it requires a sensible pragmatic approach and treatment that has fairness and respect for human rights at its core.
    Reagonomics was planning to come here and taunt…but that’s not in any1’s best interest either since that only revs up people’s ire.
    However, Reaganomics will continue 2 point out the ironies, paradoxes and the dilemmas of the issue at hand.
    This debate has in many instances zeroed in on Indo-Guyanese, who many accuse of importing their own brand of racism.
    Reaganomics’ response to dis is 2 sho dem dat Barbados and Bajans r different n dat dis kind of behavior will not b tolerated. Therefore any managed migration program should include som sort of orientation for these short-term visitors/workers/laborers or whatever u choose to call dem.
    The irony however is that Indo-Guyanese 2 date hav not shown themselves to be the enemy.
    Bajans wil call Caribbean peoples who come 2 work all kinds of nasty names but the white who r working and clinging 2gether in bars on the West Coast r call “expatriates”…many of whom r also illegal…dis however is acceptable. LMAO!
    Who owns all the banks in Btown and repatriates profits to Port of Spain and Toronto? Indo-Guyanese?
    Who controls de distributive sector and manipulates food prices? Indo-Guyanese?
    Who has manipulated the real estate market? Indo-Guyanese?
    Who controls the car dealerships dat jooking out wunna eyes? Indo-Guyanese?
    Who put pressure on the govt to minimize de importation of used cars? Indo-Guyanese?
    Who controls Broad Street and Swan Street and de malls and de shops at de sea port and de airport? Indo-Guyanese?
    De next time u drive up in de Japanese or European made car dat u owe de Canadian or Trinidad bank for to go to de white owned supermarket or to purchase food dat white distributors bring in, to take back to a house dat u got a 30 yr mortgage on with a foreign bank that was built with all imported materials owned by white and Syrian firms…think hard about whether or not de Indo-Guyanese are responsible for all dis.
    Reagonomics says fight de real enemy…

  • me // July 23, 2008 at 9:49 am

    although i think that there is too much xenophobia, racism and hyperbole on this blog with regards to the guyanese situation I must agree that Peter Wickham talks alot of BS on this issue. I find he clearly has a pro integration at all costs agenda. In fact he seems to have an antiestablishment agenda period. Although i share his views on the dangers of fundamentalism ( in particular christian) and homophobia I find that he is too disrespectful of Barbadian Standards. I think he does a disservice to those who are in fvaour of the chnages he suggest by being so confrontational and disengenuous!

  • Reaganomics // July 23, 2008 at 10:02 am

    His is another clear example of some1 holding onto to an ideological position no matter what…he sounds more like a high school debater than a serious thinker.

  • Negroman // July 23, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Everyone knows that I am against unregulated inflow of immigrants into Barbados especially the indo-guyanese immigrants.I believe that emphasis should also be place on the chinese,white and the immigrants from Asia.Those immigrants also bring their prejudices with them.I am deeply concern with the chinese immigrants .They come with a mission to conquer and take charge.I have little or no regard for whites but I find some of them more tolerable to the norms and customs of a society.
    A concern of mine with the immigrants from the Caribbean especially those from Guyana is the lack of educational ability in those immigrants.Many of them do not have the basic o’level certificates that could enhance they oppurtunities to be retrain and be more flexible in this dynamic and complex labour force we have in Barbados.The majority of the immigrants is skilled only in the field of artisan .That is the immigrants are either masons,carpenters,plumbers or labourers.Many of those immigrants lack the zeal or enthusiasm or they do not have the foresight to take in educational courses to improve their qualificatios and a chance to be retrain.It is inevitable that there will be a fall off in construction and when this happens what will these semi-skilled,unskilled people do.
    It will interesting to know how many if any immigrant is leaving work on evenings and attending educational classes to make themselves more qualified and marketable.I do not think much of them attend classes.
    Besides the racism associated with many of these ethnic groups that I am guarding against the strain & drain the immigrants will put on our social services and hence maybe a collapse in those services are of real concerns to Negroman.Therefore manage migration is of paramount importance to save this country from destruction.
    PM Thompson act now.

  • TALKAHOLIC // July 23, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    And to think these guyanese only doing it in barbados and mean slandering our name…..why dont the try it in america and the uk who also have the same problems up there with them…..stupse….it is really sickening

  • The scout // July 23, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    Reaganomics
    Who is robbing the locals of jobs; the guyanese.
    Who is contributing to the housing problem in B’dos; the guyanese
    Who is producing some poor construction services; the guyanese
    Who is contributing to our poor health standards; the guyanese
    Who is causing serious problems for our police force; the guyanese
    Who is causing the biggest problem for our immigration system; the guyanese.
    Which group is most arrogant; the guyanese.
    Which group is most racist; the guyanese.
    These are just a few of the problems we have with the guyanese. That’s why we have to control them. we have to keep them at a level where we can monitor their movements and keep them in check. A close look must also be kept on the chinese even though them keep very much to themselves. All nationalities who try to swarm this country has to be controlled. right now the focus is on the guyanese because right now I seem to be seeing guyanese everywhere I go and in their numbers.

  • The scout