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Shooting In Barbados No Hate Crime Against Guyanese, Report Was Speculative Nonsense – Consul

July 26, 2008 · 256 Comments

There have been some press reports which have been targeted at BU that have appeared in several fora in the last 24 hours. We will respond in time to many of the inaccuracies which appeared in those reports. We agree that if our message is not to become distorted, our blog has a responsibility to ensure that we don’t contribute to fueling hysteria around this matter. We take this opportunity to reiterate that we strongly believe in a managed immigration policy. We also believe that the impact of multi-ethnic groups on a Black host population should be studied as part of a managed immigration policy. The BU family is aware that we are reluctant to censor, however we want solution oriented discussion. The reports over the last 24 hours should have shown how extreme comments posted on BU can be used by some to extrapolate to positions which we don’t subscribe. Please be guided accordingly.

The following is a Press Release (unedited) issued by the Guyana Consul in Barbados:

The Guyana Consulate in Barbados has dismissed a Kaiteur News news story in Guyana which intimated that last Saturday night’s shooting death of a Guyanese national and the wounding of another in an apparent bungled robbery at a Barbados bar was a premeditated anti-Guyanese attack. “The Consulate has no evidence of this. I read the item in the Guyana press and it was speculative nonsense. It had persons, typically unnamed, claiming that the entertainment establishment was targeted because it was regularly frequented by Guyanese nationals. Aside from the sensationalist speculation , the gist of the report was also factually wrong. Among he errors: there were no six gunmen-only one was apparently involved. From all the available evidence at this juncture including from senior investigative officers of the Barbados police, this was an apparent case of a robbery gone wrong. There are no indications this was a hate crime against Guyanese. Indeed, Barbadians have sympathised with me about this tragedy which could happen in any country.” said Consul Norman Faria.

“As I said at the screening of the commendable movie ON THE MAP about migrant workers in Barbados , progressive and democratic forces including the left have to really get worried and decisively act when anti-foreigner sentiment and xenophobia becomes part of mainstream Barbados politics. While it cannot get directly involved in Barbadian politics, the Consulate monitors the situation and is of the view that, in the main and at this conjuncture, Barbadian political parties, grassroots institutions such as trade unions, credit unions and the churches are still made up of decent, tolerant and democratic minded Barbadians who welcome people from overseas. We sympathise with those who were offended, or earnestly feel that it led to actual racist incidents, by the anti-Guyanese inflammatory rhetoric on talk radio for example. We cannot however translate wild talk from a handful of xenophobes, encouraged by misguided certain talk show hosts themselves, into generalised anti-Guyanese sentiment,” he continued.

The Guyanese Consul went on: “The Guyana Consulate takes very seriously any reports of anti-Guyanese incidents. We have to monitor any attempts to stir up hatred and speak out when necessary. The Consulate has its responsibility and has on many occasions written radio station managements which encourage misinformed or wilful inflammatory views which can only serve to create divisions and racial hatred among working people and which undubtedly embarrasses the majority of decent, tolerant Barbadian people. Following a Consulate communication to the Barbadian police (and copied to a radio station managemnt), there have been some improvements at the stations including call screeners being more awake and responsible. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Those who wish to stir up racist feelings and divide people should have no freedom of speech.”

“Consul Faria at the film screening also referred to the MONITORING AND CONTROL-he never used the word CENSOR-of blogs in Barbados. This type of reference is in keeping with progressive trends overseas including in countries like Finland, Turkey and Greece. We can start with forcing those who operate the blogs to have their names and addresses publicly displayed on them. We must respect the traditional freedom of the serious and excellent media in Barbados and commend the rights of Barbadians to express their views. We must respect the Barbados government’s regulatory powers but note that private sector initiatives, perhaps from web server firms, could be a way to start. We must be sensitive and understanding towards well reasoned arguments from Barbadians about migrant workers. The bottom line is that blogs should not serve as a platform for racist and inflammatory wild talk, especially against the backdrop of the region moving towards a meaningful CSME.”

Dead in the Bay Street incident is 27 year old Christopher Anthony Griffith while proprieteress of the Hippo Bar and Caribbean Restuarant, Silochani Samuels, is now a patient at the island’s Queen Elizabeth Hospital. Faria said he has been briefed by the police on the matter, including that the post mortem should be completed on Griffith by Wednesday. Faria said he visited with Samuels at the hospital on Tuesday after the weekend shooting to give her encouragement and offer any assistance from the Consulate on behalf of the Guyana government. “Apparently, the bullet is lodged close to her heart and doctors are keeping her under observation until they make a decsion on the matter,” he said.

Asked if Barbadian police had any leads into the murder, Faria said the police told him they “has some suspects in mind” but that investigations are continuing.

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256 responses so far ↓

  • apretoute // July 26, 2008 at 8:19 AM

    It is with considerable interest that I continue to moinitor all blogs posted regarding the demise of the guyanese resident ant the injury sustained by the female. It would be good if some people are able to remember the torrent of comments made by indo – guyanese resident in Barbados following Guyana’s election and the PPP victory in 1992. I was residing in Grenada at that point in time and was therefore in a position to listen to their daily tirade against the PNC and negros generally. I guess the wolves have finally been unmasked!

  • boredickey // July 26, 2008 at 8:35 AM

    Google “Kaieteur News” today Saturday July 26 issue. Go to “Letters” and click on a long letter to the Editor written by one Dr. Randy Persaud. The headline reads : Bajans, Guyanese and the politics of hate.
    email address: Kaieteurnews @yahoo.com
    We all need to let readers in Guyana know how we feel. Earlier this week they made certain charges about us with regard to the shooting at the bar on Bay street. People, I say we need to fight back by emailing newspapers in Guyana expressing our disgust. This situation created by OWEN Arthur could get ugly.

  • Anonymous // July 26, 2008 at 8:46 AM

    David

    I am not sure I understand that article.

    Are all of those comments the words of norman faria in a press release?

    If so that is a very long press release.I am not even sure what it is intended to do other than say that the kaeiteur newsppaer report was a pack of lies which everyone even the guyanese in barbados knew to be true.

    What is contained in that article just reiterates what faria has been saying for a long time – that is, – that barbadians should be restricted on what they say about racism by indians,the impact of guyanese in barbados and as a matter of fact anything negative about guyanese.

    I believe that we should look at who is feeding this ‘person – faria’ and causing him to grow big and fat – IT IS THE MEDIA!!!!

    The media -GIVES FARIA ALL THE SPACE IN THE NEWSPAPER AND ON THE TELEVISION AND ON THE RADIO – HE CAN SAY WHAT HE WANTS – UNQUESTIONED ;

    HIS PRESS RELEASES ARE PUBLISHED UNEDITED;

    EVERY OBVIOUS BRIBE IN THE FORM OF BENCHES OR OTHER SUCH STUFF – IS HERALDED IN EVERY NEWS ROOM AS THOUGH IT IS SOME MAJOR FEAT.

    So why are we giving the media a free pass on this.

    Faria states quite clearly in that press release that there” should be no press freedom” – for bajans who in his mind – ’stir up racial strife and divide”

    So Faria is now’THE ARBITER’ of which bajans should be given freedom of speech.

    I wonder if all those who have the power to stop this man and stop what is certain to be a backlash by the citizens – if they are really pondering what their action or inaction is doing to this society.

    Show me any country,or even show me any other diplomatic representative – and not an ‘honorary or quasi’ representative like faria is – who is out there stirring up the amount of strife in the host country and being given the free reins to do it.

    We have almost reached that point of ‘no return’ and those who had ears to hear and did nothing – can pat themselves on the back for the state we are in.

    The direction things go from here will depend on wise,bold and courageous leadership.

    Whether we have that here in barbados will be seen in the days and months to come.

  • boredickey // July 26, 2008 at 9:24 AM

    I today Saturday July 26 Kaieteur News Letters to the editor you’ll see a letter entitled “Bajans,Guyanese and the politics of hate. It is written by one Dr.Randy Persaud. Mr.Faria needs to rebut the writer in that country’s newspapers immediately instead of always trying to tell Barbadians here what to do. I am HIGHLY offended my this man.The more he halks the more furious I get. There are over 400 replies to a blog on another site pertaining to Norman Faria.

  • no name // July 26, 2008 at 9:28 AM

    Clearly little Barbados needs a managed immigration policy. We cannot change the past but we can do something about the future.

    Perhaps now is the time for the Barbados Government or the Guyana Consulate to tell Barbadians how many Guyanese are living here legally or illegally so that we draw informed conclusions and act wisely.

  • Diaspora-ite // July 26, 2008 at 10:27 AM

    Why the silence in the Barbados media? As someone has written, “All that is required for evil to triumph is for good people to do NOTHING.”

  • JC // July 26, 2008 at 10:30 AM

    Every thing that was said so far by fellow bloggers is TRUE. Especially nn.

    We need to know how many Guyanese and any other non nationals are here.

    The longer we wait the worse it is for us. Norman Faria is a CHARACTER!

    He needs to check himself and see if what he is doing is benefiting his ‘country men’!

    I read in the advocate earlier this week that the minority of Bajans were not against this influx of Gyanese. Who fool them? LOL!

    This is a burning issue within our country today and one which needs to be addressed forthwith!

  • insight // July 26, 2008 at 10:50 AM

    Norman Faria e-mail address is nfaria@caribsurf.com

    Let him know how you feel about his attempt to control this country
    Also write the Guyana papers and let them know the other side of this propaganda campaign by Faria. he should be replaced by the Guyana government if they have any sense at all. He is a disgrace! Full of his own self-importance with his long-winded BS.
    ……………………………………………………….
    Norman Faria is a manipulative person who is doing no good on behalf of the Guyanese population in Barbados. Does the Guyana government realize this?

    He should also realize` that this is not Guyana where the media is muzzled and the opposition media shot and banned because they oppose the government racist and discrimination again
    st black people in Guyana.

    “Little napolean” Faria in his ponytail… get a life … and be gone. This is not Soviet Russia – this country is not run by a Marxist -Leninist party like the PPP.. go to hell!

  • Evergreen // July 26, 2008 at 11:08 AM

    It would appear that the Guyanese are everywhere. I met a guy recently whilst I was on holiday in London, and he also expressed his dissatisfaction with the number of Guyanese who are living illegally in his home country Antigua. This problem with the Guyanese need to be addressed at the highest levels of Caricom, it would appear that we are sitting on a boiling volcano just waiting to be unleashed. Almost every conversation, whether it be in a social setting or business, this matter of migrant labour is being discussed. However whilst we are bothering about the Guyanese labourers, other problems are arising in high places. Is there a hotel on the West Coast that got rid of its bajan managers and replaced them with Trinidadian and Jamaican.

  • Annoyed // July 26, 2008 at 11:12 AM

    Who the hell Faria talking to? Faria you are a bold face fascist. I trace my roots to my slave foreparents. No one especially an honorary consul from Guyana can tell me what to say or where to say it in my country.

    Like most Barbadians I am a responsible adult carrying no hate for any one. You Faria have alienated Barbadians and placed Guyanese in a bad light. Once Guyanese or any visitor stay within the four corners of the law they are welcome. Coming and stayin here illegally is breaking Barbados law and the prescribed punishment has to be meted out.

    Another thing Faria even you with selective memory can remember scores of crimes almost on a daily basis including robbery and murder committed by Guyanese against each other in Barbados. Lets wait on the Police investigation to determine whether the unfortunate Hippo crime is not more Guyanese on Guyanese violence.

    You are a most unpopular person in Barbados mister Faria. We need a regulated immigration policy and we need it now. Owen Arthur bears full blame for the influx of illegals and their despicable mouth piece Faria.

  • henry // July 26, 2008 at 11:22 AM

    I’ve read this article
    and wondered about free
    speculation, that it was a
    Barbadian who committed this
    crime. In this article below, they seem a
    bit too eager to accuse Barbadians of
    committing this heinous crime!

    http://www.kaieteurnews.com/?p=3529

    The robber’s covered face things is very Suspicious ! Perhaps they knew or was
    acquainted their robber? Why kill people that
    you’ve robbed unless you have reasons to think
    that they could easily finger you later?

    It could have well, been an INSIDE
    JOB – or another guyanese patron of the bar
    or someone who was really close
    & within the same ethnic group
    setting another person up – It is STRANGE that
    they they had knowledge of who’d be in the bar
    at what time & their banking habits.

    It did not have to be a Barbadian committing this crime.

    It could have very well been bar patron, or a Guyanese immigrant
    setting up & pepertrating crime against
    another Guyanese living in Barbados- as they do
    often within their confines of their own
    country. Guyanese are slaughtering other guyanese on a major scale at home in their own country with armed gangs & home invasions.
    in this article it says guyana’s crime rate is
    3x that of the USA!

    http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1133.html

    If a Barbadian actually committed this crime ? they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent that the law allows

    – but
    There is no need to jump to conclusions that a Barbadian actually did it, Right off the bat, like that !

    & If they( the guyanese) are coming here raising Bim’s murder rates in a continuation of forming guayanese extortion gangs, or guyanese robbing
    other guyanans & trying to make Barbados into another ” little Guyana” – that some are fleeing from- by Bringing their divisive warring mess to Barbados now –as they do within the confines of their own country?

    Some of them may need extensive background checks before being allowed into Barbados or be prevented from entering & being allowed to reside.

    Barbados officials need to do criminal background checks on all
    seeking the immigrate to Barbados. ( guyanese, english drug users & africans too!)

  • Tony Hall // July 26, 2008 at 12:08 PM

    Insight,
    I started the ball rolling. This is an email I sent to Norman Faria.

    Mr. Faria,
    I am a Barbadian living in New York and I understand immigration xenophobia. I understand your desire to represent the interests of Guyanese nationals in Barbados but I cannot understand how you would want to come on radio and other areas of the press to defend those Guyanese who are coming into to Barbados illegally and contributing to the social decay of this beautiful island of mine. Do you pay attention to what goes on, especially on Friday evenings on Fairchild Street? I saw it for myself on a recent visit home. Persons from Guyana congregate on Fairchild Street drinking rum and other alcoholic beverages, littering, blocking pedestrian passage, etc. They obviously are unable to hold their liquor hence they resort to fighting. How come you do not go to Fairchild Street and speak to your Guyanese nationals and discourage them from exhibiting that type of anti-social behaviour? You attack the blogs. You want them censored. How dare you! Press freedom is being attacked in Guyana on a daily basis. How come you don’t speak to the administration in Guyana about the way journalists are being treated? I am not against migration. I am a beneficiary of such but I along with other Barbadians will not allow persons to come into Barbados and by their anti-social behaviour destroy the moral fabric of our country.

  • David // July 26, 2008 at 1:10 PM

    A few commenters inquired about the role of the media. In recent days we have seen some attempt to address the issue but we continue to sense that there is uncertainty about how they should go about it. In as much as we like to copy the USA we see that CNN has committed to running a series titled Black In America. While it does not parallel to what we need to discuss in Barbados the press in America is openly discussing race. The longer the media in Barbados cower in fear on the topic of managed immigration and the effect the ethnicity of the people flowing into Barbados, we will have this problem continue to boil.

    Certainly the media in Barbados can see the propaganda being orchestrated against Barbados by the Guyana press? Tell us how can a Doctor without any evidence (which has been refuted by Guyana Consul in Barbados this morning) make the conclusion that the recent shooting in Barbados is a hate crime? To top it off the mainstream press in Guyana carried the story.

    Give us a break!

  • Anonymous // July 26, 2008 at 2:19 PM

    I really wonder if most of you understand the mind games that are being played by faria and the guyanese?

    It is straight out of the book.

    The first thing is to hype this – guyanese are victims in barbados message -,then get the always ready,compliant, business bureau also known as the media to carry the message as highlighted by faria.

    Then write the commissioner and push even more the talk about incitement,and bajans stirring racial hatred against the poor guyanese.

    Of course in the meantime you invite the prime minister and any other hungry,gullible,get what dey ain’t expect minister – to every cock fight the guyanese having and you turn up with rotis,and wooden benches,and you clean round an ole lady house and fix up the flooring boards – and wham – just so – yuh got de politicians in yuh pocket.

    All de meanwhile yuh got nough access in de media to push your message.

    Any additional help yug get wid pushing your agenda like a peter wickham or dat white woman davis who made dat film thatwould tell lies or exggerate stories against the bajans and portray de guyanese as victims – well yuh done know dat is a bonus.

    Of course in the meantime yuh got your people like one randy persaud and the kaiteur newspaper and starbrok news and others to stir up anxiety and the lies about bajan killing guyanese down in Barbados,because as Jagdeo done tell you he could only act if you get his people in guyana to start raising it as a big problem.

    Next ting jagdeo on de phone to thompson telling him – like owen told de bajan immigration officers to ‘back off’ de guyanese – stop dis deportation ting right now – else he wrting to caricom to complain about barbados treatment of guyanese.

    Wait,but there is still one problem remaining – dat pesky Barbados Underground Blog.

    Well at least yuh got de other one BFP taken care of – they have shut up any comment there about guyanese and their racist behaviour – but the damn fly in de ointment is that Barbados Underground.

    Well since you have already asked the police to shut them down,and you bowled some bouncers at dem on the VOB call in programme and in letters to the editor in the nation newspaper – and they still keep on going like the ever ready bunny – the only thing to do is:

    1)Send some of your people on the site to stir up distractions and confusion and ask nough foolish questions,and once your people come on, then the bajan bleeding hearts or the sympathisers – well jump in too.

    2)Then start spreading propoganda in the local guyanese press and through the bajan press that the guyanese under siege by the bajans – SOS Everybody – the guyanese under siege – they getting killed by bajans.

    Well you done know commissioner Dottin the former humble servant of owen arthur is going to make sure that the guyanese brethen happy even if it means coming down on free speech of the bajans.

    As regards the media – they will continue to toe the line – with a :”yes sir,no sir,2 bags full sir”.

    But that damn Barbados Underground – hmmm – now how do I get my hands on them and force them to get with de programme.

    I suppose I can start by sending them my press releases – and hopefully they will feel guilty enough to stop asking for a proper immigration policy and a stop to the influx of the other ehtnic groups.

    Oh,and in case that doesn’t work I coutld try to frighten them bygetting others to come on the site and tell them ‘big brother’ is watching you so you better be careful what you post on this blog.

    Got to do something fast,got to do something fast,got to,got,got to do sooomme thiiiing faaaaaassst – oh boy this thing is sending me out of my ****#@** mind – got me here repeating myself .

    Damn Barbados Underground – now got de damn bajans actually reading and listening to what my people – the guyanese up to .

  • Michael Belle // July 26, 2008 at 2:23 PM

    I am a Guyanese, and like a lot of Guyanese, including the founder and subsequent leaders of the Afro-Guyanese PNC party, am of Barbadian descent.

    I have visited Barbados several times and have found a generally friendly and polite people. I have had no problems at the ports of entry. It would be difficult for me to say that Bajans are anti-foreigner or anti-Guyanese or anti-Indian. I found a visible population of Indian merchants from India/Pakistan living there. And prospering there. But there has always been mild anti-immigrant sentiment in Barbados. Lucians and Vincentians have reported it to me.

    I think the current concerns about the Indo-Guyanese presence need to be aired and considered from all angles in a dispassionate way.

    The problems with Indo-Guyanese is now Caribbean wide. In the seventies Antigua expelled a group of Indo-G nurses after reports of their racist practices reached the government. Everywhere in the Caribbean there has been this problem. Nonetheless there are Indo-Guyanese who have integrated well.

    I know Faria personally and would say this he is motivated by ideological considerations. Dr. Randy Persaud is a clown playing his political fiddle for the benefit of Indians back home. They are comforted by the thought that racial discrimination is a natural state of affairs and a condition shared by everyone. It makes them feel less guilty and jusitifies their own prejudices in their eyes.

    They are good hard workers and care must be taken to separate the racists among them from the rest.

    Having said that the most I can say to you folks over there is ” May God have mercy on your souls.” You don’t know what you have coming.

  • Anonymous // July 26, 2008 at 2:32 PM

    Michael Belle

    Thank you for your objective and reasoned post.

    However in the ineterest of concerned barbadians like myself,please help us understand:”what we have coming” here in barbados from the indo guyanese.

  • David // July 26, 2008 at 2:39 PM

    @Anonymous et al

    We want to interject by suggesting that we should widen this discussion to ethic groups. It is not only indo-Guyanese, it is the Chinese as well. We have done research on this matter which we wouldn’t bore the BU family with at the moment. Studies have shown that there is a negative effect on a stable host population by large scale immigrant inflow.

    We would love to see the discussion moving along those lines.

  • The scout // July 26, 2008 at 2:46 PM

    Faria is being the true consulate for guyana. It is natural for them to blame everybody for their misbehaviour. I disembarked from a bus by Fairchild St. yesterday late evening and had to litterally beg a group of guyanese to allow me to step on the pavement next to where the bus had stopped. I’m not against immigration but the amount of guyanese especially indo-guyanese inthis country are unacceptible. I will see to it that that imbalance is rectified as it can and is causing problems that we can ileffort. Mr Faria, put that in your pipe and smoke it. I would stop at NOTHING until Barbados is returned to BAJANS (NOT YOU)

  • The scout // July 26, 2008 at 3:18 PM

    Michael Belle
    Your last comment scares me” you don’t know what you have coming.” Even though I think I know what you are warning us about, coming from a black guyanese is a point to ponder.Within the last 24 hrs, you’re the second black guyanese who as express similar comments. In this girl’s case, she told me she’s returning to guyana because she don’t want to be here when “hell’s fire erupts”. Bajans it seems that a hurricane of a different type is decending on us and the political met men are not giving us not even a hurricane watch farless a warning. I would just warn you PROTECT YOURSELVES AND FAMILY

  • Negroman // July 26, 2008 at 3:44 PM

    What we are up against.Ask that reporter Moseley from Guyana who was banned from the president’s palace because of his coverage at Head of Government Conference in Antigua.Bharat Jagdeo didn’t like what he said and he was banned.What we are up against.Ask Sharma the guyanese television owner who licence got suspended because of his criticism of the PPP government.Ask what we are up against Ask the hundred of black men & boys (if they could returned from the dead)who were murdered in the last 5 years by the Phantom Gang of Roger Khan supported by the PPP government.
    What we up against Ask the black guyanese who cannot find work because the indian businessmenwho are not employing black guyanese.What we are up against Ask the black guyanese civil servants who jobs are being taken from them and are being replace with indo guyanese.Norman Faria and his cronies dispute these facts.
    It is sickening that not a word is coming from the clowns we elect every 5 years to represent our interest.Our police force is being malign and not one word from the Commissioner or the Attorney General.Our freedom to express our views are be trample and press freedom is being curtail going by what I read in Norma Faria letter.Not one word from our Prime Minister or who ever is responsible for broadcasting.We are literally being told what we must say and not say in Barbados by a bunch of desperate hand to mouth political & economic refugees from Guyana.
    Negroman is so blasted angry after reading that so & so idiot Faria letter.Norma Faria watch it
    The time has long pass since we need strong and decisive leadership.We are not getting it from David Thompson or the DLP.If you cannot do the blasted job get the hell from government.We do not need any lackeys or weaklings and you David Thompson is appearing as a weak indecisive leader to lead us.
    This immigration matter must be dealt with in a very strong and decisive manner right now.I do not want to hear the next year things will be different I want action now.
    Norma Faria and indo guyanese are hell bent on getting what they want in Barbados and will resort to all schemes to achieve that objective.
    David Thompson & DLP government if you all are not going to act in the best interest of the majority of people who you all begged like dogs to support you all.Get the hell out.This is no joke time
    ACT OR ELSE

  • henry // July 26, 2008 at 3:52 PM

    Guyanese are currently immigrating to NYC & murdering each other up there!

    http://www.stabroeknews.com/news/friend-suspected-in-murder-of-ny-guyanese/

    11 people killed in 20 minutes of gunfire in Lusignan Guyana
    http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20080127/carib/carib1.html

    What makes Barbadian people think, that
    this type of hateful criminal behavior cannot be transported along with some of the immigrants & the same crimes start to happen right here on a monthly basis?

    “The writing is on the wall.”

    When Barbados turns into
    another little Guyana with all of it’s many Problems, the ethnic & religious infighting, the racial prejudice against blacks,
    the gang violence, mass murder, home invasions & extortion, the overall crime ?

    When the Guyanese finally take over the
    Barbadian Culture & start to Dominate Political structure here with their causes?

    I will uproot My Family & definately leave this island !

    Our Political leaders are standing by letting this happen.
    They are not monitoring & holding the disruptive illegals accountable for their actions.

    The Government needs to purge and immediately repatriate
    those who are here ILLEGALLY, along with those with criminal records and those are being disruptive to Bajan society.

    “This is BARBADOS, It’s not Guyana! “

  • Michael Belle // July 26, 2008 at 4:09 PM

    There are Indian minorities in Grenada, St Lucia, St Vincent, Jamaica, Martinique, Guadeloupe and Suriname as well as T-T and Guyana.

    Nowhere has the Indian group inter-bred itself into extinction. Though there has been mixing in some places. There is both anti black racism and natural preference and other reasons for this.

    Meaning that you will have a permanent and multiplying Indian population.

    1) Sociological reports indicate that once they have reached a certain critical mass they vote as a group and restrain social mixing to the group.
    2) You Bajans will, in the eyes of my descendants, become those islanders who ended up chained in the cane-fields and sweeping the streets of a once black island. The Indian will forver see you as an inferior.
    3) Seen as an inferior you will be treated as such. Second class citizens, whatever your education and whatever you socio-economic status you will be seen as the racial inferior of the Indian shop girl and doorman. You will be treated as such.
    4) Your claims of discrimination will be dismissed as the mumblings of a few malcontents who don’t know their place.
    5) Discirmination in employment will result in 100% Indian enclaves in industry, commerce and agriculture. See what has happened in Guyana.

    6) Discrimination in housing will result in Indian enclaves in this or that part of the island.

    7) They will become allies of the local whites in the racial hieracrchy that exists in the Caribbean.

    8) Then they will start banning any sign of protest in the media they control and will start importing other Indians to run things.

    9) If for any reason they get political power then cat eat your dinner. You will in turn join the lines of immigrants to other countries.

    10) By that time they will be applauding the systematic murder of your grandchildren by people they arm and pay.

    But what is worse than all of this is the open contempt with which you will be treated.

    This is what happened in Guyana. But, warning. It has not happened in all of the Caribbean countries I mentioned.

    Why?

    Accordinmg to a Dutch professor, Hoetenk, the only thing that saved them is that they stayed a small minority. What happened in Trinidad is a lesson. The way they were contained in Suriname is to give them a part of the government, guaranteed seats in parliament or their minority will make the country impossible to govern.

    They claim they have specific needs – religion, culture, inter-marriage>>>> which dictates their behaviour.

    By the time we look at the 22nd century, if Indian immigration is unchecked they will attempt to do what Panday did in Trinidad, try to create a coalition with other Indo parties (in Panday’s case Guyana) to make sure they never leave power.

    Fortunately for the Trinidadians, the minority exploded itself in a waste of greed and racism and corruption. Fortunately for Suriname, the military intervened at the right time in the eighties. Unfortunately for Guyana, the numbers were against us.

  • David // July 26, 2008 at 4:19 PM

    The issue which is emerging from the comments is suggesting that behaviours will be imported to affect the stable host population if in existence in the immigrant (source) population.

    The other point suggest that indians and we have seen it in the Chinese population as well are clannish. If this behaviour is consistent and the immigrant population is unchecked is it reasonable to assume that social cohesion within the groups in the host population should be managed?

    This concern is not being xenophobic but more about proactively managing groups which are predisposed to acting out unique characteristics. We have different customs, religions, foods etc.

  • Michael Belle // July 26, 2008 at 4:46 PM

    David,

    You got that right.

    I met Bajan immigrants in the islands. From Panama to Cuba to the Dominican Republic to the small islands Bajans hit the road over the last century seeking work and a relief from hard times.

    Many Bajans stayed and left their descendants. I just met a man from Panama. His family is of Bajan/Jamaican descent. Bajans have no right to hate immigarnts.

    As I said earlier, I do not know Bajans as haters of foreigners. I was surprised to read that Guyanese are being put at the back of the bus. The influx of foreigners did not prevent the island from doing well economically over the last 40 yuears. In the sixties Barbados and Guyana were at the same level economically. Now Barbados is ahead.

    Growing up in Guyana there was my neighbour Bajan Virgie, St Lucians, Grenadians etc living around me. I never heard, I repeat, never heard an anti foreigner comment from my fellow Guyanese. Guyanese are hospitable and therefore find shocking the rejection they experience in the Caribbean.

    While we have exported lots of professionals, we exported our batches of thieves, loose women and racists also. Each of these categories is concentrated in a certain ethnic group. For a long time the thieves were mostly Afro and the murderers Indo, the lawyers Afro and the doctors evenly distributed between the two groups. But, for example, business people would be mostly Indo>>>etc.

    Managed immigrations would mean determining what the island needs and from which group it can take its needs.

    Bajan migrants to the islands were a lot of policemen at one stage, a lot of skilled artisans at another, a lot of unskilled apprentices earlier etc. Similarly, Guyanese immigration to Barbados has changed from the seventies.

    Julian Rogers, Fernandes, Clairmonte Taitt to youngsters like Jermaine Forrester etc, only to mention the media figures everyone will know, are of Guyanese descent. None of these have ever seen the origins as a block to integration and progress.

    I repeat that it appears to me that there must be a new type of immigration, either in numbers, in social and ethnic character, occupation level, criminal behaviour etc, that must be combining with other factors to create the unease in Barbados.

    I am sure the figures exist and may have been published in the papers, so tell me how many Guyanese have come? 25 000? At 10 percent of your population the level of tolerance in any population is touched. But look at some other countries. Look at St. Thomas, where natives are now a minority. Look at St Martin where natives are now a minority. They seem to be living and prospering.

    So for me the problem is not one of migration, the Caribbean has seen migration for work as a permanent feature -Aruba/Curacao, the Spanish nations, Trinidad oil fields etc…. The list is long.

    Your problem would appear to be justified fears about the ability of some immigrants to integrate.

    We note however that the earlier Indian merchants and the few Syrians we find everywhere were never seen as a threat.

  • David // July 26, 2008 at 4:58 PM

    Your problem would appear to be justified fears about the ability of some immigrants to integrate. We note however that the earlier Indian merchants and the few Syrians we find everywhere were never seen as a threat

    Michael the problem is multi-faceted. Like you accurately wrote Barbadians have embraced immigration for years. For Barbadians to be accused as xenophobes really hurts, it does almost to tears. My neighbour is a Trinidadian who has made his home in Barbados for almost 30 years now.

    Our Prime Minister along with many of his ministers have alluded to an underclass which Barbados is in danger of creating out of the problem-because we don’t have a managed immigration policy. The truth is we don’t think this is about the Guyanese per se but at the large numbers of that particular group which is visible to all. It has become scary for many Barbadians. Having made the observation they can’t ignore the fact that racial tension has divided Guyana for years now between the two groups indo and Black.

    Wouldn’t it be great if some of our intellectuals and media houses can debate this issue. Then aagin they have to debate this issue because CSME will never fly against the current fear/concern.

  • Anonymous // July 26, 2008 at 5:04 PM

    Michael Belle

    A million thanks for your exposition on the ‘true nature of the person of indian descent’.

    You have clearly articulated what a few of us were struggling to highlight,but thank goodness you an afro guyanese who is currently living in guyana can point by point show us the dangers that lie ahead.

    Remember BU family what he said about the coming together of the white people with the indians – just watch for the signs – it has already started in some instances here in barbados – analee davis is just one small example of this.

    I am going to read your post over and over again,and I hope if any of the government ministers are reading this blog that they too read michael belle’s post over and over again – a word to the wise is enough!

    Like I have said in an earlier post a monster is at our door – knocking- whether he gets in depends on who opens that door.

    Thank you again michael belle for confirming to us that we were not imagining things and spouting hot air.

    Take that norman fartier – take that peter wickham and annalee davis – take that VOB – take that roxanne gibbs – take that barbados workers union and leroy trotman – take that commissione Dottin – take that david estwick and chris sinckler – put that in your pipe and smoke it.

    You – who told us we were xenophobic and stirring up racial hatred.

    David/BU

    Your post above is sounding very apologetic to me.

    So that you understand the chineese influence is bad,but the indian influence is much more sinister,evil and far reaching.

    We are playing with dynamite here and we need to shut this down real soon.

    This is the legacy of the BLP and Billie Miller in particular.

    It was she who opened the door for the patels and the adams,and who entered into the mini bus business with her special friend sabida adams – one of the adams of Adams store.

    Billie Miller has pushed this multi ethnic thing from the inception and has opened many doors for these indians – doors she never even opened a crack for her loyal voters of cats alley,reed street,murphy pasture and the orleans.

    Those black iggrunt fools were only useful for voting her in – so that she could realise her dream of making Barbados look like the United Nations.

    The bottom line is there must be immediate deportations of ALL illegal persons – chineese,portugeese,itilianeese,guyanese – whoever.

    We have to watch the growing number of jamaicans coming in to barbados and the types of jamaicans that are coming.Low lifers and criminals.

    It is as though the word has gone out around the world – come ye,come all,everyone to Barbados – the land where you would be given more rights than the locals,where you will easily get a job as the black bajans are displaced,and even if you are illegal the government will give you free education and health care.

    Come everyone,the doors are wide open.

    Anonymous we have been accused of some things in our short existence that one more accusation is water of a duck’s back. We prefer to keep our eyes on the total picture.

    David

  • Anonymous // July 26, 2008 at 5:19 PM

    David

    You see how annalee davis is destroying barbados good name overseas.

    This writer michael belle from guyana has just stated that he didnot know that guyanese were being put off the bus or put at the back of the bus.

    He obviously believed what was put in a barbadian film by a barbadian woman – annalee davis – claiming to know of factual events happening across barbados.

    No one has publicly challenged her yet and her film according to what is being said in the guyana press is being shown in the USA and perhaps elsewhere in the world,and is being requested in Guyana for the guyanese president jagdeo to use.

    This is dangerous,dangerous,dangerous and I believe either the minister of Home Affairs Mr Stuart or the primr minister needs to intervene and do something about these dangerous lies that Analee Davis is spreading all over the world.

    Obviously she wants to make a name for herself internationally and be the newest ‘michael moore’ – but certainly not on the back of barbados well earned respect and distinction.

    Scout your prediction appears to be coming to pass.

  • Anonymous // July 26, 2008 at 5:28 PM

    Come on David you know how much I of all persons appreciate you and the work you do.

    My comment was an observation and not an accusation – a big,big,difference.

    I was just wondering if faria – or like rawle eastmond stated last year – ‘forces in high places’ -were getting to you.

  • David // July 26, 2008 at 5:31 PM

    The following is taken from Annalee Davis blog after a screening of her 30 minute piece in Jamaica. We find the comment relevant:

    In the discussion to follow the screening, one viewer felt that Barbadians saw themselves as a population under a lot of pressure and that the migration into Barbados has added to concerns about coastal lands being taken from locals by foreigners. Another commented on the need for an educated approach to this dilemma and it might be just a matter of statistics to show people that they are not in fact being overrun by foreigners. Someone from Taiwan spoke about the similarity in Taiwan with their immigrant labour.

    By the way Annalee we noticed that you don’t have Barbados Underground listed on your side bar, must be an oversight!

  • Anonymous // July 26, 2008 at 5:40 PM

    David

    Could you tell me what you think annalee davis agenda is?

    Why is she taking this ‘film’ to the USA,Jamaica, and wherever else.

    The work according to all who have seen it,is of a very POOR QUALITY.

    So again I ask what is annalee Davis – real agenda.

    Does her film show any one with an opposite view,or does she show any official on the record in the film commenting on her claims.

    I hope the prime minister is paying close attention and takes some action before this get out of hand.

  • henry // July 26, 2008 at 6:28 PM

    it’s not an isolated case, but a trend with
    the latest intra-Caribbean scam where the
    thugs from another island or country
    illegally immigrants to the much smaller islands- to try to run things, overpopulate & intimidate the locals! a recent article coming out of Miami stated – the anti caribbean immigrant sentiment’s definitely against the use of caripass use from those coming from particularly, Jamaica & Guyana to infiltrate other smaller more stable islands of the Caribbean.

    are the concerns totally unfounded?

    in St. Maarten…

    St. Maarten is currently having a problem
    with Jamaican immigrants
    forming gangs & committing crimes
    on their island.

    St Maarten cries for visa restrictions on Jamaicans

    Reports coming out of St Maarten, that has a population of just over 80,000, said that at least 11 Jamaicans have been arrested over the last few weeks, six in the last two weeks, in connection with armed robberies or who are members of gangs operating in the 36-square mile island.

    “An estimated 20,000 PEOPLE are said to be LIVING ILLEGALLY on the island.”

    Will Barbados continue to procrastinate on it’s
    lax immigration policy towards the guyanese and other illegals who are currently residing here until it gets this bad?????

  • Michael Belle // July 26, 2008 at 6:28 PM

    To tell the truth, I cannot belive that Guyanese or anyone else is being put at the back of the bus. I think this must be an exaggeration or a lie. For the Jamaican influx and another case of managing immigration, please look to the Cayman Islands, once poor now rich and a magnet for Jamaicans. They have had to deal with this.

    Look also at Bermuda but especially at Puerto Rican attitudes towards people from the DR. There is an immigration problem all over the Caribbean. The Dutch dealt with it in Aruba and Curaco by giving temporary work permits that could hardly be transformed into permanent. As a result those islands which had massive immigration in the thirties to fifties and sixties, have basically no big foreign population. The question is, does Barbados need population transfer or only labour transfer?

    To manage Guyanese immigration, visas were demanded for Guyanese in Anguilla and the BVI. A BVI politician told me the Indians started their racism and they then started to refuse them settlement or work permits. So, as I said, a study of ways the Indian factor and the immigrant factor has played would be a good introduction to the Bajan case.

    Cayman Islands like Aruba choose to exclude black workers and recruited in Latin America etc. This is a case of islands choosing the race of people they saw as compatible. Will Barbados do the same. ? Do you want an all black island? Will this be morally acceptable? As David says, the statisticians and social analysts have to discuss this openly with the politicians.

    If they don’t then it is only natural for the people to express their fears in whatever way and at whatever level they can. And it would be only natural for those fears to be amplified by rumour and lack of information.

    What is the population capacity of the island? What are current and future labour needs? etc. A study needs to be done. Perhaps it has been done and the BLP is hiding it somewhere. Anyway I have always been sympathetic to the BLP so don’t get me wrong.

    Prosperity brings immigration problems as it brings envy or obesity or inflation and loss of coastal lands etc. The question is what is your government doing. ? Barbados is efficiently run at many levels and the GEMS of Barbados project, a development bank etc were far reaching moves that gave economic breaks to locals. I am sure the same kind of social planning can solve the labour problem.

    I put myself in the place of an Afro Guyanese immigrant. Everywhere we are a burden on the relatively small population of the islands. Okay, let’s realise that many of these people need compassion. Let us realise also that they will come with their faults. There must be some faults that you are unable to tolerate. Neither should the immigrant become a second class citizen nor should the natives become second class citizens. Do Barbadians want to play host to a population that detests blacks? Onthe other hand, let us not generalise, a lot of Indian girls, including some I know, married Bajan guys.

    Bajans guys are supposed to be decent, generous, adore straight hair, curry-lovers by nature, good fathers, easy to manipulate etc. This is what the girls saw. Were they right?

  • GuyanaMan // July 26, 2008 at 6:35 PM

    Rand and Faria are two fascist indians from Guyana. When the PPP win power in 92,you would have thought we were gonna be in heaven. 16 years after and Guyana is the hell hole of the Caribbean. Why don’t they just fix Guyana so people don’t have to migrate their. They are practically running a dictatorship in Guyana.

    But I don’t feel sorry for you Bajans, you should have supported Hoyte and the oppositions in Guyana to foster a more democratic culture there. In the early 90s when I was there you treated black Guyanese like dogs,now this.

    You will loose your country.

  • Bystander // July 26, 2008 at 6:37 PM

    Take a little time and continue to inform ourselves:

    http://www.caribvoice.org/CaribbeanDocuments/Indians.html

  • Anonymous // July 26, 2008 at 7:19 PM

    I am extremely pleased that persons like Michael Belle,Guyana Man,Henry,Insight and others are finally telling it like it is.

    I think out of all of them so far michael belle seems the most credible.

    You want to know why I am glad – because finally we are getting the word from the horses mouth so to speak.

    Norman Faria’s propoganda is now being countered – and I wonder what chris sinckler, or david estwick and kellman and even the media are now saying.

    Michael belle’s post so far is the most balanced, non partisan,credible explanations I have read so far.

    And you know what – he is not trying to pretend he is something he is not – he is up front about him being an afro guyanese who has spent time in barbados.

    He has brought facts and information that frankly at times is new to me like – the deportation of indo guyanse nurses from antigua because of their racist attitudes,and the racist behaviour of indo guyanese in the British Virgin Island (BVI) which resulted in the door there being shut against them as well as the happenings in St marteen where not only jamaicans but guyanese are being deprted because of criminal behaviour.

    Rest assured michael belle – bajans have always opened their arms to persons from other islands – st lucians,dominicans,vincentians, guyanese and jamaicans.

    The persons who came back in the 70s and 80s were skilled decent caribbean people – not this lot that’s coming to our shores from guyana and jamaica.

    And yes,bajan men seemed enamoured with the straight hair indian women at first because these indian women were so loose that they were willing to do anything to stay.

    Many tricked bajan men who only have themselves to blame.

    This however is changing as more and more a guyanese partner especially an indo guyanese partner is seen as to something to be looked down upon – something of low value.

  • Forent // July 26, 2008 at 7:22 PM

    BU you need to investigate the scam where ignorant Barbadian men are renting Guyanese women for the weekend, just like a car. Is true!

    We always had prostitutes bout here but I tellya.

  • Jay // July 26, 2008 at 7:45 PM

    I think one should be VERY careful when dealing with the issue of race,having said that I think the priority should be to deal with the illegal immigration problem in Barbados first & then have these debates at a later date,otherwsie the main message is lost.I believe the country should handle matters that are of National priority & importance to the Citizens of Barbados & this illegal immigration problem certainly is.

    I understand that the majority of illegal immigrants are of a particular nationality/ethnic group BUT that is absolutely NO reason to run afoul of Barbados law.I think that any self respectable Bajan know that we have always welcomed foreigners to our island for quite a long time but our welcoming mat is only a temporary one NOT a permanent one.

    This idea of s00000 many temporary foreigners entering Barbados & deciding to live in the country on a permanent basis just because they THINK they can is a DIRECT challenge to Barbados’ sovereignty & its immigration laws,NOT to mention being AIDED by THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT & HAVING A BAJAN-BORN native ASSIST THEM as a ‘Honorary consul’ member in an official capacity,as I’ve asked before does anyone not see the absolute hypocrisy in this matter ?

    Upholding & enforcing Barbados’ immigration laws should be an absolute NO-BRAINER.Any person in the Barbados Parliament who calls themselves “Law-makers” do not deserve that title if they are not willing to uphold the office that they have & their SWORN OATH to the Citizens of Barbados to uphold that office.

    Action from the DLP led government is certainly due,but I also believe it should be done with due diligence so that we learn from the mis managed immigration policy that is currently in place.If any sort of Amnesty should be given then it should be CLEARLY temporary with absolutely NO path to Barbados permanent residency or Citizenship & those illegally would also forfeit any future CSME benefits to the country for life should it ever be implemented.I’m for a consensus that places Barbados & its Citizens first while mitigating any unnecessary fallout that the country could suffer due to the Tourism dependent economy.

    Time is certainly running out & I think everyone here & in the DLP government knows that.External forces not only from within Caricom but also beyond could make it a LOT more difficult.

    http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/9637/1/

    ” Brazil’s Lula Wishes to Integrate Latin America and the Caribbean
    Written by Newsroom
    Saturday, 26 July 2008

    Brazilian president Lula The President of Brazil, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, extended an invitation to Latinamerican and Caribbean leaders to discuss regional integration and development in a meeting scheduled for December 16 and 17 in the northeastern Brazilian city of Salvador, in the state of Bahia.

    The announcement was made during a banquet to honor Trinidad and Tobago Prime Minister, Patrick Manning.

    “We believe integration must extend to include Central America, Mexico and the Caribbean,” said Lula. “South America’s integration is a strong tool for Latinamerican and Caribbean integration, to help us overcome the burdensome legacy of inequalities.”

    The Brazilian president has made regional integration one of the pillars of his administration’s foreign policy, “I’d do everything possible,” to achieve the union of South American countries has become a constant phrase in his speeches.

    The coming meeting in Salvador “is an excellent opportunity for Latinamerica and the Caribbean to discuss how to best coordinate the different integration efforts to which we all belong.”

    Addressing PM Manning Lula da Silva said that this process needs an association agreement between Mercosur (Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay) and the Caribbean Community, CARICOM, which includes the English speaking countries of that region.

    He advanced that during the second half of 2008, when Brazil holds the pro tempore Mercosur chair he will propose a technical meeting between the two blocks to get discussions going. ”

    The question of what to do with not only the illegal immigration problem in Barbados,but also CSME must be dealt with post haste.I got to admit the P.M. is going to have a huge responsibility in the coming ~6-8 months

  • Michael Belle // July 26, 2008 at 7:47 PM

    Barbados is, like Montserrat, one of the cases that demographers study. Barbados population has hovered at around 200 000 to 250 000 for decades due to immigration by Bajans.

    Immigration into Barbados , as Anon has pointed out, is not what it was two decades ago.

    But I am wondering who is complaining. Normally, the rich don’t complain. The immigrants provide them nannies and gardeners and construction workers and pliable labour. They are in no way a threat. The immigrant influx also means there are more people for their supermarkets, travel agencies, furniture stores etc. They prosper as the island prospers and have no reason to complain.

    In general the middle classes are more vulnerable. If the immigrant is a professional and potential rival they start to fight to keep him out. However, if it is immigrant semi skilled or skilled labour the middle class can afford to improve their standard of living by employing the labour.

    The people who complain are generally the working class fearful that the bread they share as it falls from the master’s table may well be gobbled up by the hungry immigrants huddled on the floor. We therefore have to understand that in many cases neither the crime nor the economic consequences of labour affect the political or economic elite.

    So in no Caribbean island except where the case is not simply economic, but cultural, has the elite responded other than sporadically to immigration problems.

    They might clean up the place a little before elections. Otherwise immigrants come and go as long as the economy can tolerate them.

    Is this the case in Barbados? Who is complaining, the poor losing jobs?

    Also, if immigrants pay taxes and buy food and otherwise create and spend wealth then their contribution to the coffers of the social welfare, education and health system etc, balances off their cost.

    Is this the case with you guys.

    But this is only the economic factors. The cultural/racial factors have shown that no amount of PR solve these problems. Idi Amin threw the Indians and Persians out of Uganda, the Cayman and Aruban pre-selection solves another cultural/racial problem. In Barbados you may have an economic fear coming from a certain class of citizens. Is the cultural fear represented by the Indian influx linked to the economic threat or not?

  • The scout // July 26, 2008 at 8:29 PM

    Fellow bloggers
    I’m glad that afro-guyanese are speaking out. You are probably saying that you are hearing little from me. I had promise at one stage to stop posting because I don’t think the message was really getting through coming from a bajan. You are now hearing it from native afro-guyanese. i still hold the view that I’ll make sure my family and I are equipped to RUN from this place when the hurricane strikes. God help this country if our leaders play cold turkey and hide their heads. Thanks afro-guyanese, I’ve been saying a lot of what you’re saying now but many people didn’t believe me. I’ll sit back and hope that you bring the message and that my people would wake up before it’s too late. Time is running out

  • The scout // July 26, 2008 at 8:34 PM

    We’re in the midst of a political/ethnic invasion and we’re partying. Remember Mac Fingal’s tune “2009.” No radio station dare play that tune now.

  • The scout // July 26, 2008 at 8:36 PM

    We’re in the midst of a political/ethnic invasion and we’re partying. Remember Mac Fingal’s tune “2009.” No radio station dare play that tune now. Mac you are a prophet; I salute you.

  • Anonymous // July 26, 2008 at 9:30 PM

    Michael belle

    You have joined the debate late but there are numerous posts on the guyanese issue here at Brbados Underground – where you will read of horrific experiences bajan suffered at the hands of guyanese.

    My reason for responding to you is because I can relate to a lot of what you are saying and I am sensing a genuine need to understand what is happening here.

    Initially in the late 80s and early 90s afro guyanese were welcomed because of their bajan ancestry.

    However the decent middle class and working class guyanese started to be replaced by rif raff guyanese.
    At the same time under the previous BLP administration a large number of racist,unskilled,dishonest indo guyanese started rushing in along with the imported agricultural workers and a few construction workers.

    As you well know historically artisans in guyana were mainly of african descent.However a lot of indo guyanese as usual always looking to scheme – came to barbados claiming to be carpenter and masons when they hardly knew how to hold a hammer.

    They took unsuspecting bajan homeowners money and mucked up the jobs and then left the bajans holding the bag and having to look for more money to pay the bajan artisans to correct the work – this made bajan artisans really angry with the bajan homeowners for not giving them the work in the first place, and the guyanese scam artists for the problems they were causing.

    Then the indian guyanese men started colluding with corrupt immigration officers and others to bring under age and adult indian women to prostitute themselves here – to the point where even the barbadian prostitutes themselves complained to the local newspaper about the guyanese women undercutting them in their fees, and doing the most unimaginable and unacceptable (even by their standards) acts.

    Barbados which had a squeaky clean reputation internationally was then cited by the USA as a country that engaged in human trafficking – all because of the guyanese.

    Further, poor working class bajans who were accustomed to renting a small house for their family found themselves competing with guyanese who would offer say $700.00 for the house instead of the asking price of $500.00 per month, but without the landlord knowing – the guyanese would then rent out the 3 bedrooms at 200.00 each with 2 persons in each room.

    Also,indo guyanese women came and tricked foolish black bajan men( who they would never look at in guyana) – but convinced the bajan men that they were in love with them , and got them to marry them – then as soon as they got their papers – they divorced the bajan,brought in their guyanese indian man and their children and run out the bajan man out of his house.

    Many times the bajan men had previously run out his bajan wife and children for these indo guyanese women.

    These said indian women and some afro guyanese ones too, would target the old lonely pensioners,and wriggle their way into their affections and their homes – and before you knew it, they got the old people to turn over their property to them.

    Many guyanese women boast above giving their bajan lovers Aids so they could take it back to their bajan wives.

    The guyanese maids (note I am not saying all of them) as soon as they stepped into your house would either start begging the homeowner for things or steal your stuff.

    Most of the times they did not know how to even clean a house properly.

    If you have a husband in the house -well they would start making moves on the husband.

    Like with everything – there are exceptions to these examples,but michael belle I have tried in the briefest way possible to paint a picture of just a few of the horror stories experienced by bajans at the hands of some scheming guyanese that have turned the bajans off.

    Other bloggers may wish to add to the list.

    Of course there are going to be stories of bajans scheming guyanese too,but what has raised bajans’ anger is the large numbers that are here – the pressure they are putting on the schools and health services – which although they are here illegally and have not paid taxes – they want free access to the bajan tax payers dollars funded schemes.

    Pressure on water supply,pressure on the garbage disposal,pressure on the housing stock,pressure as they compete for jobs and drive down the wages – bargaining for less – pressure on transport – and add to that the indo – afro racial history of conflict – and their dishonest manipulative behaviour – and you know we sitting on a keg that is about to be blown up.

  • Chuckles // July 26, 2008 at 10:33 PM

    Every right-thinking Bajan knows that there are too many Guyanese (Afro and Indo) on this small island. Both races have bad apples among them. Let us deport them post haste. The ones who are in farming are doing a fantastic job . They can remain here with contract-worker status but the unskilled ones serving gas at petrol stations or selling rotis should be sent packing on the next available plane.

    I don’t know how many of the BU family visit the Cheapside Market on weekend .For the information of those who don’t,the presence of the Indo Guyanese has driven down the prices of vegetables to suit the pockets of Bajans who suffer from chronic maladies like hypertension and diabetes. The Bajan hawkers are price gougers. Can you imagine soursops being sold at 4 dollars per pound?….. Rotten Bajan sweet potatoes 4.50 per pound…….plantains 2.50 per pound……’string’ beans 6 dollars per pound and cristophenes 5 dollars per pound? What is special about beans and cristophenes that they are fetching such ridiculous prices? If you visit the Indo-Guyanese stall, you can get green, red and yellow vegetables at far reduced prices. I hope that Ms McClean would allow these bona fide immigrants to remain on the island on a contractual basis.

  • Michael Belle // July 26, 2008 at 10:37 PM

    Anon et al,

    Something you should never forget. Indo Guyanese would not permit an invasion of their communities by people of other ethnic groups. In the years when the West Indian Federation was being planned the Indo-Guyanese leader Dr Cheddi Jagan was desperately and vehemently against the idea.

    Why.

    Because free movement of Afro West Indians would dilute his racial majority in the country and weaken its block vote power. This is not opinion. This is history. He later tried to explain it away but Forbes Burnham never forgave him and his followers the hatred they had of the idea.

    Then, later, when Burnham looked at the situation in Haiti (and probably the situation at home) and raised the idea of bringing in Caribbean people to settle in the country on agricultural land, the Jagan party was violently opposed.

    When Guyana was short-listed as a site to resettle some Cambodian political refugee communities, the Jagan party was against. They said the Hmong people were fighting the party’s fellow communist in Indochina.

    When Afro Guyanese converts to Islam started going to the Mosques in Guyana the reception was so bad that a separate mosque had to be built for the blacks.

    All this is fact. The Indo Guyanese have a hard time accepting others among them . The reasons are political and cultural. It is easy to understand that the great grand children of Indian immigrants want to keep their culture. Unfortunately the culture has developed an anti-African element.

    Something else need to be said. We can generalise about a group’s behaviour but we have to be careful to not let discrimination against that group take root and possibly harm decent and good people in that group.

    This is the dilemma we have. We cannot hate Indians as a group. There are good people among them. Unfortunately, the culture is one of exclusion because they are still a self-conscious immigrant group. Blacks who immigrate to London or New York also tend to like to live among themselves. But they will not see those who live in other communities as inferiors.

    As to the scam artists among Guyanese, with immigration you get the good with the bad. Pity the poor Bajans. But I am sure that, with the number of foreigners in the country Bajans also know good Guyanese living there.

    The social infrastructure (water lights etc) need to be upgraded if it cannot support a ten percent increase in population. Immigration has to be planned for. In Many countries internal immigrant from one region ot another, often for economic reasons, raises the same problems. They are not unbeatable problems. What is harder to deal with is the social. Perhaps Indians will lose the characteristics that make integration difficult. But that is almost impossible. They are religious people and their religions set up barriers both WITHIN AND OUTSIDE of their communities. Both internal barriers and the external boundaries exist. Meaning not everybody can get in for marriage and socialising. Their Hindu religion has many wonderful principles and their culture is generally a good and positive thing. But in the deformed version that has survived it is a danger to them and to all that they touch.

  • David // July 26, 2008 at 10:50 PM

    Part of the problem has been contributed to by our own politicians supported by the civil servants. For example no statistics have ever been made public as to the break-out of the immigrants in Barbados. Mia Mottley when she was Attorney General had promised but now she is the leader of the opposition and we are none the wiser. The Chief Immigration Officer seems to be a real puppet because we have not heard him on the issue at all.

    All Barbadians have to go by are our perceptions and observations which support the view that our country is being overrun with illegal immigrants. When we put this on top of our land becoming unfordable, cost of living going up and the many other societal pressures, Barbadians are starting to speak-out. Unfortunately the media in Barbados remain muzzle on theis issue.

  • Michael Belle // July 26, 2008 at 10:59 PM

    Chuckles above is a good example of what is wrong with the immigration debate. He or she wants the cheap vegetables. He or she doesn’t care about Bajans who may want a gas station attendant, carpenter or Guyanese doctor.

    Everyone wants only his kind of immigrant. As I said, there is usually no consensus because differences of class and lifestyle mean that in the receiving country there is no agreement on the role immigrants pay.

    A little prosperity brings pride and suddenly Barbadians, among the world’s champion emigrants, don’t want any immigrants in their house. Not only is this absurd, but it fails to recognise that immigration is inescapable in the modern world. Labour needs in every country decides that. If you have a population with few people of working age then you need labourers. Or too many old people you need to import doctors. Or computer people for your development. A huge country like the USA with 4 per cent unemployment still lets in and recruits immigrants.

    Immigration is not the problem, its the anxieties of poor folk, bad and badly managed immigration and a lack of public preparedness to deal with the presence and consequences.

    You let 10 000 English people here and every one of them will be looking for a Bajan gardener or a Bajan housemaid and to be called My Lord. It does not matter that he is unqualified. He understands his social status. Bajans also understand and accept his social status.

    As everywhere else you know that immigrants coming there with money to invest are welcome. The poor are not. The stupid and racist poor are even less so.

    St Martin is a good example. After the hurricane of 1995 when the Haitians left because there was no work and no tourism, the natives started to bawl. Why,? They had been making money renting to foreigners, selling to foreigners, paying low wages to foreigners. They had foreigners to clean the island. When they left the native saw what he had become dependent on and how it helped the economy.

    When the foreigners left the economic depression that gripped the island showed them that the problem was not immigration. It was a complex of factors that had to do with the economic pull exerted by the island and the contribution of immigrants to the economy and the fact that they occupied spaces in the labour market that the natives were unwilling or unqualified to fill.

    Chuckles,

    Bajans don’t grow greens? They don’t prefer Bajan grown greens. How c0me Bajans are preferring to give all those jobs to foreigners.? No Bajan applicants? What is the unemployment rate and what is the proportion of foreigners in the labour force? Get me some facts and stop with the greens story. Start to grow your own greens.

  • Michael Belle // July 26, 2008 at 11:10 PM

    David,

    Rising costs for homes when the housing market is limited is a major problem. It is one of the major effects of sudden population increase due to immigration. Usually after the construction industry picks up more houses are built because land owners see money in renting and building.

    I was just in a country where the natives of a certain city can no lonegr afford even to rent a home. The problem is that foreigners are buying up the real estate. Its not poor foreigners. The rise in housing costs for renters is a problem that comes with some types of economic growth. The government was short sighted and should have built more social housing for natives. If I remember Barbados has social housing schemes. The government of some European countries have also done so to park the immigrants .

    If Barbadians are getting richer land and house prices will go up. For whom is it going up, renters or homeowners? Do immigrants have money to buy? I know Guyanese who own homes. As for the rental market, a policy of rent control can work. If land is scarce then what percentage of Bajans are homeowners already and are they the ones buying the land or is it the immigrants? There is no country that gets richer and the cost of living does not go up. Check house rent prices of the developed world which we all aspire to have our couuntries enter,

    What percentage of his wages Bajan’s have to pay in rent? My sister is a prof in NY. She pays almost 40 percent of salary as rent.

  • Chuckles // July 26, 2008 at 11:27 PM

    Michael Belle

    The youngsters would tell you ‘get fuh real”. You most probably would buy vegetables at any price as long as the Guyanese are deported. You most probably are self employed , where you can spend two hours in the garden on morning and two hours in the evening. It would appear as though you can afford to pay a water bill in excess of 60 dollars per month. Theory theory theory. I suggest that you join me in the market next Saturday morning and ask the Bajan patrons if they can afford to do back-yard gardening.

  • INDIAN GUYANESE // July 27, 2008 at 12:11 AM

    The comments I read here are Hilarious!
    I live in Linden, where historically Indians had been slaughtered, raped and burnt in the 60′ after Burnham let loose his “dogs of war” on them. Likewise, it is the popular slogan of the late President Hoyte’ “Slow fia” by encouraging blacks to burn down Indians homes and businesses.
    Really I was intruged by Dr. Randy Persaud’s lettter today to visit this blog.
    Babrados is no doubt not the place for Guyanese.
    There are many bad eggs in every society and you would find Guyanese, both Indo and Afro,who would want to go abroad in serach of their fotune = whether it is Trinidad, Little puny Barbados or the wider world in Canda ,the USA or the UK.
    What is preposterous though, is that ignorant Bajans treat Guyanese, both Afro and Indo as dirt and they are whining now, because their crimes have been exposed.
    In the Burnham and hoyte years of PNC Black dictatorships , where were the voices in the carribbean which rose up against the wicked and evil government of the then PNC ??
    Guyana is the only country in this part of the world where Indians are in the majority,thoug it might not be a huge margin.
    That is our fortune.
    Because in a democracy,we can rule our country and we should = otherwise we will see the same revengful, hateful behavious like the ones on your blog in Barbados. (sic)
    It is time you grow up Bajans.
    Guyana will once again become the “Bread Basket” of the Carribeen and you know who gorw the food in Guyana = Indians.
    You know who cotrol the economy in Guyana = Indians.
    You kno who make up the majority of the workforce of the sugar and rice production of Guyana = Indians.
    The Afro Guyanese are mainly in the blue- collared jobs they inherited from the PNC era, especially in the Army, Police, Nursing, Teaching and civil service.
    There was no “Press Freedom” in the PNC era of Dictatorship in Guyana which lasted for 28 years. Yet no one shouted foul from puny Barbados or any other Carribean country.
    Ask Rickey Singh (an Indian). he will tell you why he had to leave Guyana during the PNC rule.
    Maybe the immigration should set up a bench at the “Cheddi jagan International Airport” and when Bajan enter thiscountry sit them down on it and name it the Bajan bench , the same way you treat Guyanese (both black and Indian) in Barbados.
    Guyana has changed a lot.
    Indian and Afro Guyanese have integrated. There are intermarriages but few.
    It is an Indian tradition to marry in their race and religion.
    If Bajans do not have tradition and religion, then let it be.
    God Bless Guyana = the land of many waters and tghe land of SIX people (races)

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 12:40 AM

    Deport Guyanese now or have a managed immigration policy or you will loose your country.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 27, 2008 at 12:49 AM

    The truth continues to be very unfriendly to Political Scientist Randy Persaud, and Political Scientist Peter Wickham. Folks Political science is not a real science, but has anyone found any work done by Randy Persuad on Guyana’s political and cultural problems? I find it interested how deliberately self servicing and inconsistent these two individuals are, on the issue of Guyana’s race relations, The high level of criminality of Guyanese in the Diaspora, and the unwillingness of Indo Guyanese of Hindu origin to work with other ethnicity’s to further the Caribbean experience. Peter Wickham has written two articles dealing the with the last election in Guyana where he asked some very pointed questions along the lines of race, and Randy Persuad has found comfort in maliciously presenting a criminal act of robbery as a hate crime, something for which there is no evidence to support, and that his own Guyanese Consulate in Barbados has dismissed such speculation as “nonsense”. It is not lost on me that Randy Persaud in particular as sought to win the argument via his credentials, and by now to his miscalculation he should be aware that creditability must be earned at all times. Academics you are, but on this issue, simple truthfulness has not been your friend.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 27, 2008 at 1:05 AM

    INDIAN GUYANESE // July 27, 2008 at 12:11 am

    The comments I read here are Hilarious!
    I live in Linden, where historically Indians had been slaughtered, raped and burnt in the 60′ after Burnham let loose his “dogs of war” on them. Likewise, it is the popular slogan of the late President Hoyte’ “Slow fia” by encouraging blacks to burn down Indians homes and businesses.
    =================================

    I strongly believe in “an eye for an eye”, in fact my argument against CSME and Caribbean integration has to do with integrating with people who do not want to integrate, or want to do so on their own terms, even if those terms are an anathema to other ethnicities. I am understanding you contribution to be one of JUSTIFYING INDO-GUYANESE DISLIKE FOR BLACKS. Now i am a fear minded person, and if Blacks did these things to indo-Guyanese, then I am in solidarity with them for their ambivalence in coming to terms to with Afro-Guyanese. Now it is fairly well establish that Indo-Guyanese has no uses for blacks, and you have just given the BU family a valid reason as to why this is so. Rational and thinking humanbeings, are suppose to apply reason, to situations they are confronted with, and not blindly refer to cultural practices, and norms, no matter how justified such practices may be in their native land. Why do Indo-Guyanese take this dislike for Afro-Guyanese, born out of some terrible atrocities and apply it lock stock and barrel on Black Barbadians, and in fact, on Blacks in the diaspora as well? Why the generalization and “lumping” of all blacks in the same category no matter where they go? If to love yourself as an Indo-Guyanese one must be mistrusting of Blacks, why must Blacks living in their own communities and countries accept them and this behaviour???

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 1:30 AM

    Get rid of them or manage them before it is too late. Trust my word on it you Bajans.

  • DOCTOR GUYANA // July 27, 2008 at 2:41 AM

    You all need serious help!

  • Adrian Hinds // July 27, 2008 at 2:46 AM

    INDIAN GUYANESE // July 27, 2008 at 12:11 am

    The comments I read here are Hilarious!
    I live in Linden, where historically Indians had been slaughtered, raped and burnt in the 60′ after Burnham let loose his “dogs of war” on them. Likewise, it is the popular slogan of the late President Hoyte’ “Slow fia” by encouraging blacks to burn down Indians homes and businesses.

    ===============================
    care to expand on the above???????

  • Negroman // July 27, 2008 at 3:19 AM

    Very interesting and thought provoking comments from all the commentators.I read all with intrigue.The general consensus we must be careful with the Indian race and their racism against us blacks.I do not know what more evidence our leaders want to convince them as Scout said we have a hurricane coming and not even a hurricane watch is being issue further a hurricane warning.
    Our leaders have enough immigration models in the Caribbean that it can draft and put in place a comprehensive immigration policy that will have the desire effect that we black Barbadians are asking the government to put in place.It is extremely interesting what the Cayman Islands,British Virgin Islands and St Maartins did and are doing to control the influx of immigrants.I believe this matter could be handle in such a manner that the demographics will practically remain the same.If this is not possible we blacks must look for alternatives.
    Indians where ever they go conflict,mayhem and disaster do follow.I want anyone to tell me if there is any peaceful country where indians are in the majority.Not one.Not in India,Pakistan,Sri Lanka,Bangladesh,Nepal,Guyana,Trinidad,Fiji or Suriname.Not one peaceful indian country.We must ask ourselves why this is so.I envisage that Barbados will follow that path when the indians take over.We blacks must be prepare for that and be pro-active.This country is heading the way of Guyana & Trinidad.Therefore let us act now not violently.If all the indians want to come here give them the space and we in turn migrate in our numbers to other Caribbean countries and give those countries the expertise we have through our education.Dominica is a very large Caribbean country full of potential but sparsely populated.Why not go to Dominica and build up Dominica.I also have my eyes on St.Kitts Nevis we could build those countries with our expertise.Let us be forward thinking and think of where we want to be as a people and a race the next 50 or 100 years.Let build black nation states that would be strong.
    Indians will ultimately destroy Barbados the same way they destroy all the countries that those bastards inherit.
    Indians are a destructive race the facts are there to prove it.

  • Anonymous // July 27, 2008 at 3:36 AM

    Michael belle

    You suggested that the social services of barbados needs to be upgraded if it cannot support an increase of 10% in the population (by guyanese).

    You seem to have figures no one else in barbados has.Even one minister of government(kellman) has put the figure to about a 25% increase but many are fully convinced that 25% is very conservative and the true figure is much higher than that.

    It has been stated by a journalist recently that since the freeing up a couple years ago of movement of persons in the caribbean – Barbados has attracted 178,000 persons coming to our country – yes one hundred and seventy – eight thousand persons and though we would like to believe that some went back we are not sure how many did.

    It is felt a large percentage of those remained in this tiny 166 sq mile dot of land – called barbados.

    The truth is it is easy for guyanese to tell us that light and water etc need to be ‘upgraded’ to accomodate these influx of persons.

    I don’t think you really get it,so I will try again.

    Most of the guyanese in barbados are illegal and its hard to get statistics on them.

    Most of the guyanese are not adding value to our society but depressing it.Guyanese are living in converted pig pens,living 15 persons in a small 3 bedroom house with 1 tiolet (not my words but that of the prime minister of barbados),have been engaged in a spate of crime on the island,have according to our prime minister began to turn parts of our country into a slum and on and on.

    The guyanese who are coming are not bringing any special skills as before – they are actually coming here as unskilled and going on work sites as artisans – taking money and then learning the skill in the process.

    You seem to think that a country that is 166 sq miles should just ‘upgrade’ their services to accomodate the guyanese who are coming,plus the jamaicans,the chineese and every one else.

    Water my friend cannot be magically increased,so too garbage landfill space.We unlike guyana have not been blessed with many natural resources e.g. gold,bauxite,large tracts of land etc

    Successive governments with the exception of the last arthur adminstration – were prudent with the people’s limited resources here – and with the hard work of bajans,and the dilligence of its leaders and its people we have come this far – through the grace of the Almighty God.

    Our forefathers struggled,sacrificed and build barbados with very little so our children might have a better life than theirs – not to see all that go down the drain as the thieves and prostitites and the destitutes all rush in to barbados to see how much they can take out of it.

    We cannot provide for everyone who wants a chance to improve their life -even the big USA will not allow that.

    This mass exportation by Jagdeo of guyanese to other people’s country must stop – we know that he is deliberately doing it so he can get the foreign exchange they send back to guyana.

    However understand as you so rightly pointed out earlier guyanese have created problems not only in Barbados but in Antigua,Tortola – and to that I will also add:St Maarteen,Trinidad,St Lucia – they are generally seen as nuisances wherever they go and are quickly deported.

    Like I said this is not the guyanese of the 60s and 70s.

    Why it is you should ask yourself, that bajans have lived with the st lucian hawkers for decades who came up to sell their fruit or work in agriculture,why they had no problem with the vincentian cane cutters who came in the 80s or the dominicans eh?
    These people came,integrated well with bajans,didnot try to scheme them, to break up their marriages,to convert pig pens to live in, or create slums.They worked and when their time was up they went back to their countries – not so the guyanese.

    This is not about bajans not being properly prepared for immigration – we had always had migrants in our country- we have never had the kind we are seeing especially the indians ones who are engaged in all sort of crime,and schemes and loose behaviour.

    Imagine for one moment a beautiful clean river,then imagine a barge dumping tons of garbage in that beautiful river and then all you can see for miles is floating garbage clogging up this once beautiful river – in one swoop the benefits of that river have been taken away by those who cared not for the owner of that river – but only for finding a place to dump their garbage.

    Barbados,cannot be the dumping ground of the caribbean for everyone’s garbage.

  • insight // July 27, 2008 at 3:46 AM

    re: INDIAN GUYANESE :

    Fellow BU readers:
    This person is just a PPP government “ghost writer”, like the ones that write letters to the papers in Guyana every day spouting government propaganda. He has bundlesd a whole 50 years of Guyanese history in a propaganda piece to mislead readers and attempt to rewrite Guyana’s history.

    Indians have to understand that they will NEVER continue to make Guyana another Fiji or Mauritius …and suppress the black people there. They will NEVER have security Guyana will NEVER prosper unless they share power and govern for all rather than ruling after winning just 54% of the popular vote.

    The lies and the 28 year mantra will no longer hold. Burnham passed on since 1985. The PPP has been in power since 1992 and things have got worse, especially for black Guyanese. Do not blame the weak opposition that is there now. Tell Jagdeo to rise to the occasion and be a statesman ans not a racist rabble monger. Otherwise ther will be REAL FIRE soon.

    With the Internet and the free flow of news today, I can see this situation where Guyanese Indians will be shunned throughout the Region by the black people who make up the majority of the population.. the real news on Guyana is out now.. We are all following the developments Mr. Indian Guyanese… enjoy the ride while it lasts….

    Thanks to all as I am learning more as I read these blogs. Especially thanks to Michael Belle’s contributions. He has brought a number of new facts and scenarios to the discussions. I look forward to his contributions as well as Negroman and Anon and JC and of course David… who keeps things on track.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 27, 2008 at 5:32 AM

    Guyana Chronicle news paper:

    No evidence of Barbadians widespread hatred for Guyanese
    I REFER to a letter “Bajans, Guyanese and the Politics of Hate” (KN, 26 July 2008) by Dr Randy Persaud in which he argues there is open hostility against Guyanese in Barbados which resulted in the recent murder and wounding of two Guyanese nationals.

    While we understand the apparent commendable intent of Dr Persaud to draw to the public’s attention any wrong doing against Guyanese, we have to be careful.

    Dr Persaud provides no evidence about widespread hatred against Guyanese in the island leading to violence against them. He cites the Barbados Underground blog on the internet and refers to opinion pieces in the media. These of course have to be monitored but his exaggeration and speculation at this stage is unproductive and goes against the grain of the essentially still good and friendly relations among the governments and peoples of Guyana and Barbados.
    NORMAN FARIA
    Guyana’s Honorary Consul to Barbados
    =================================

    It is amazing that this individual can be trusted to honestly instruct anyone in a degree programme.

    What evidence what, I am Dr. Randy Persuad, that should be enough. Are we truly surprise at what Guyana is today?

  • David // July 27, 2008 at 5:44 AM

    We wish to associate ourselves with Adrian H’s last comment regarding Dr Randy Persaud. We also ask that he proffers an unequivocal apology to the people of Barbados and the region. He was able to write an article based on no facts which has been refuted by Faria. This situation should be brought to the attention of his university. To have attained a doctorate should carry much responsibility. To be an academic a heavy responsibility should be on producing well constructed arguments. After reading the doctor’s article how can a parent subject their child to his instruction?

    The other point raised by Adrian H is very relevant. What scholarly work has this ‘doctor’ produced to further the cause of West Indian integration? He deliberately picked on some extreme comments posted by commenters and has totally ignored the points which BU has been pushing on the need for a managed immigration policy which the Prime Minister and members of parliament on both sides have agreed needs to happen.

  • Anonymous // July 27, 2008 at 6:53 AM

    Does anyone find it strange that sooooo many bajans are talking about the large influx of immigrants – and yet if you read a newspaper,if you listen to talk radio on VOB – you would easily assume -everything is allright in little Bim that is if you had just arrived from another continent or planet.

    The message the media wants to give out is: there is no concern,no problem.

    History however, will judge the media very harshly for stifling and supressing discussion on this issue.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 27, 2008 at 7:46 AM

    David, my thoughts are along the same line. I intend to send a copy of Dr. Persuad’s online letter along with Norman Faria’s comment to Lennox Price, Barbados Consul general in NY. I will suggest that he seeks an apology from the Doctor. This will be the first approach. I have not ruled out calling him, and if all fails in reaching a consensus with him, to email his comments, the rebuttal from Faria along with academic evidence that justifies the Barbadian public concerns and calls for managed migration, to all his collegues on faculty at the American University.

    ———————-
    Randolph B. Persaud
    Ph.D., York University
    E-mail: persaud@american.edu
    Phone: (202) 885-1757

    Research and teaching interests are in the areas of – political economy of globalization; human and global security, north/south relations, and the global politics of race, culture and identity. Before moving to American University, he was Assistant Director of the Centre for International and Security Studies, York University, Toronto. Dr. Persaud is the author of Counter-Hegemony and Foreign Policy: The Dialectics of Marginalized and Global Forces in Jamaica (Albany: State University of New York Press, 2001); and co-editor (with R.B.J. Walker) of Race and International Relations – A Special Issue of Alternatives, Vol. 26, No. 4, October-De. 2001. His writings have also appeared in Alternatives; International Studies Review; Latin American Politics and Society; Race and Class; Connecticut Journal of International Law; and Journal of Interdisciplinary Crossroads. Among other research projects, Dr. Persaud is currently working on a study of the nuances of American hegemony.
    ———————————

  • Tony Hall // July 27, 2008 at 9:08 AM

    Adrian,
    I startred the ball rolling by sending the below email to Dr. Persaud demanding an apology. Failing to do so I shall forge ahead.

    Dr. Persaud,
    I read your recent comments on the blogs with interest. From what I can discern you had no factual evidence to support your allegations. It is my opinion that your were trying to sully the good name of the people of Barbados. What you should be doing is reaching out to the Indo-Guyanese who are in Barbados illegally, and who rather than keeping a low profile are being involved in criminal activity, scams, prostitution, etc. I believe that you in your rush to judgement, and not having any facts owe the country of Barbados an apology. I look forward to an unconditional apology.

    I

  • David // July 27, 2008 at 9:24 AM

    We apologize to the BU family but periodically we like to restate previous positions, so bare with us.

    BU is an unflinching advocate of a managed immigration policy for Barbados. Do a search ‘immigration’ in the BU Search Box and you will find a number of blogs addressing why this is our position.

    We have gone one step further to suggest that within the ambit of a managed immigration policy the impact of ethnic groups on a stable host population should be addressed also. The Indo-Guyanese have been singled out because to be frank we see so many on our streets on a daily basis. So far we have not suggested any thing that should be construed as being xenophobic.

    Some commenters by their own admission have become emotional at times however we are satisfied that as intelligent human beings we should be able to filter what are concerns and fears being expressed by Barbadians as they observe what is happening around them. These observations have fueled perceptions which in the absence on scientific information and intellectual discussion has been allowed to fester.

    The positive from Dr. Persuad’s letter is that it has directed many Guyanese at home and abroad to BU. We take this opportunity to say to both sides of this issue to take a deep breath and let us share experiences in a dispassionate manner. The basic tenet of mankind we sincerely believe is to co-exist. Unfortunately when our respective environments kick in to configure how we are socialize this is when we as humans, despite our intelligence, get it all wrong.

    Unfortunately the traditional media in Barbados have elected to avoid this issue. It is one which Barbados has turned a blind eye for too long. The BU household has decided to take a stab at it. We may wobble along the way but rest assured that we believe it is a justified position and we will rely on the support of Barbadians and others to ensure that our dialogue is constructive. We see a parallel in successive governments avoiding the issue of policy formulation regarding a alternative energy plan as suggested by a commenter and our open immigration policy. The decision makers are scared at the consequences if they get it wrong. To do nothing in our opinion will make sure that we get it wrong.

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 10:00 AM

    You guys need to control your immigration. Look what is going on in GUyana,we have a President’s who is pre occupy with homo business. So all his presidential actions are just that.

    He treated his wife like a dog,they dismiss tons and tons of blk fokks on a daily basis.

    But I would stress,is just good for u bajans, we blacks in Guyana are punishing at the hands of these indians since 92,and to date you guys have not thrown us a life jacket. They will take ur country and make u a permanent underclass.

  • Denise // July 27, 2008 at 10:23 AM

    why are you not mentioning the shooting of another guyanesee her name is collette Richmond

    Denise

    Please let us use common sense. Five people were reported shot yesterday. The police are investigating, so lets just relax a little.

    Davis

  • Anonymous // July 27, 2008 at 10:35 AM

    Guyana man

    You may not be aware but many like myself have spoken out against the treatment of afro guyanese by the indian president of guyana and the dicrimination of afro guyanese by indo guyanese.

    To our surprise you have afro guyanese coming on this site and not agreeing with the statements we have made about the indians behaviour, but instead sided with the indo guyanese who are living in barbados.

    So it seems to me that when you – the afro guyanese – are in guyana you can see all the ills of the indo guyanese and cry out for black bajans to be in solidarity and help you.
    However as soon as you start living in barbados then ‘everybody is one’ – and we are all guyanese – and then we hear about how we went to school with them,and eat with them and all the rest.

    So bajans rightfully have to step back.

  • Michael Belle // July 27, 2008 at 11:21 AM

    Anon

    On the numbers of Guyanese in Barbados.

    A source of statistics is the Guyana Census and the Guyana Bureau of statistics. How many Guyanese left the country permanently? An estimated 140 000 over fifteen years. Where did they go? Primarily to the US and Canada according to visas issued etc. Relatively few to the Caribbean. Most to Trinidad.

    Barbados is not the destination of choice for most Guyanese. The remittances from Guyanese according to the Bank of Guyana, come from North America etc. The Caribbean is small potatoes.

    Barbados cannot have more than 10-15 000 Guyanese. The total number of immigrants in Barbados cannot exceed 35 000.

    How many houses in Barbados? Your government will says about 150 000. How many are free to be rented out. About 7 000. How many are rented out to Bajans? How many are available for foreigners?

    With 178 000 foreigners the economy must be a billionaire economy. They must be beating Bajans out of their homes to rent them out. A good journalist who has training in statistics can get info to do an estimate.

    How many people in prisomn? What percentage of prisoners are foreigners.? How many reports of crimes to the Police? How many involve foreigners?

    Are the foreigners mostly men or women? How many births are they registering at the hospitals? Or are they all childless?

    Is there an increase in birth, death, health and other figures that show that the Bajan population has almost doubled because of foreigners…

    Immigration keeps stats.

    How many entries from the Caribbean. 178 000? How many exits ?….

    Avoid rumour and speculation. If you guys want a good idea create a team to get the figures.

    How much foreign exchange is now going out and to where? The Bank of Barbados has those stats.

    If you really have that kind of population the supermarkets and stores and the house renters would be very happy. The few poor complaining about seeing an Indian here or there are complaining about a visual insult not an insult to the economy. If there were enough jobs for even half those foreigners then Bajans are not enough to fill the vacancies and they should be grateful to find people to help run the economy.

    I can speculate about the cultural problems you would have. But since you are not Rwanda let not ole talk get you worked up. You have got to approach public education with facts.

    The light and power companies whould be swimming in money if their client base has so expanded and should have no problem getting finance to improve the generating capacity, put in desalination plants etc.

    The problem is not the immigrant in the economy. The problem is integration.

    If Randy P is a doctor in race and development and he gives this kind of opinion it is because he is an Indian first.

    The Indo guyanese who rushed in baring his wounds from theLinden massacre fails to mention that Indian killed about 85 blacks during the time he mentioned. Linden was only 5 Indians killed. Indians blew up a boat with 40 people on board and angry blacks retaliated at Linden. But they killed only five. Overall during the civil war each race lost about equal amounts to violence.

    Indian dishonesty with history is well known in Guyana. They are a sick, shameless bunch.

    Please note that the 178,000 is a number which has a heavy component of transient visitors i.e.CWC 2007 etc.

    David

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 11:32 AM

    @ Michael Belle

    You are the first person who has come here and try to triangulate data and come up with a guesstimate.
    If the problem is soooooo out of hand as the handful here would like to suggest, then instead of hiding on a blog, they should be petitioning their representatives for a managed migration policy, pronto.
    In the 80s we stood up on Broad Street and signed public petitions to free Nelson Mandela.
    So if the situation is so out of hand why not get the petitions going. Start on Broad Street. Where is the public protest?
    By the sound of the alarms here, BU should be able to get 50 000 signatures in no time.
    STOP THE TALK AND START DE ACTION.
    If managed migration is your plea, let’s see some models of managed migration that actually work. Sway the discussion in that direction BU.
    Define “managed migration” for us. What does it mean? How does it work?
    Start to give us some solutions and turn this into a healthy debate that will not further tarnish the country’s image.

  • David // July 27, 2008 at 11:37 AM

    @Raegonomics

    People protest in different ways, we do from our kitchen table. Also you are stuck in a time warp because the government has responded and is on public record with the recent amendment to the immigration act to address the issue of a managed immigration approach.

    The issue at this stage is how do we deal with the illegals on the ground at the moment. By the way why should Barbadians have to triangulate based on unknown variables? Don’t we have a statistical department?

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 11:52 AM

    You guys can get numbers and data and everything you want,but the fact of the matter is that hinduism does not permit for an integrated society.Bajans will now get a taste of what we have been crying out about since 1992. Racism and corruption and narcotic state has reached it zenith in Guyana,and now will over flow into Guyana. What you bajans should do is support people who are willing to make Guyana a democracy by any means necessary.

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 12:16 PM

    No one is suggesting that the average Bajan is responsible for coming up with a guesstimate.
    There is a reason why the powers that be wont come out and give a number.
    You obviously dont have a clue as to what triangulation is either, based on the nonsense you just wrote.
    Is the recent amendment to the immigration act going to solve the problem without action?

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 12:20 PM

    BU is sticking to the thesis that managed migration should also include some provision for the impact of other ethnic groups on Barbadian society. Please come out and say exactly what u mean by these words so that there are no inferences.
    Let’s have the kind of debate u r asking for DAVID.

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 12:28 PM

    I have one clue, and that clue is that you guys will loose your island. Since 1992 the PPP have benn engaging in an apartheid system in Guyana. I remember the first thing they did in my area was to remove the police in charge of the station and replace him with a party hack who was in the force.

    And things rapidly decline from their. When the Guyana joint opposition took a petition to Caricom a few weeks ago, they were ignored. They even had Jagdeo thumbing his fingers in their face and laughing at them.

    You bajans will loose your island,and that is what you get for staying silent while atrocities are being carried out right next door to you.

    I’m going to laugh at you guys,I’m just sad it could not be all the way to the bank.

    The first thing you guys should do is expel RIcky Singh, here is one of the indian racist on the island being allowed to live in peace and peddle his garbage back in Guyana via the Guyana Chronicle. That man hates black people to the core,and yet you bajans shelter him there.

  • Anonymous // July 27, 2008 at 12:52 PM

    Michael Belle

    I’ll try to say this slowly – most of the guyanese in barbados are here illegally.

    Your information from the guyanese bureau of census with all due respect is worth – SQUAT.

    Guyanese come to barbados saying they are going to stay for 3 weeks vacation – they give an address they will be staying at -then THEY DISAPPEAR – never to be heard from again until they get into trouble with the law and it is discovered they have been here illegally for 7 years or 10 years or more.

    If you had to just look at the persons who were given work permits or permanent residency the numbers would be low perhaps just a couple thousands.

    However anyone with a modicum of common sense knows that those figures do not tell the true picture.

    Frankly I find your comments to be quite arrogant for you to tell us in barbados to stop speculating about the immigration figures and then with no knowledge or information you do just that and tell us that the guyanese in barbados are no more than 10 – 15,000 and there are no more than 35,000 immigrants in barbados.

    Know your place Michael Belle,please don’t insult us because we have been courteous to you on this site o.k.?

    Further, in barbados unfortunately there are no visa applications so your comparison to the USA is not on all fours since your bureau will not be registering barbados.

    I beg your pardon – did you say that barbados is not the country of choice for most guyanese?

    Well duh? The guyanese who are coming to barbados will not even get a look in the US – and like most caribbean people their first choice is always the US or Britain – however since there is that pesky problem of visas approval – and we know that guyana is not on their favoured list in either Canada or America or even Britain – then we can safely assume that like your acting police commissioner Greene and foreign affairs minister Clement Rohee whose visa applications were denied – visas granted are very restricted and small.

    Please read my post – I said that after the relaxing of rules through CSME – it has been stated that 178,000 persons entered barbados for varying lenghts of time – however there is no number on how many of them went back out – so we don’t know how many remained – there is nothing in my post suggesting 178,000 stayed.

    I trust that you are not going to adopt the usual guyanese posture on this blog – by first agreeing with points made and confirming issues raised – and then once you are accepted as truthful and genuine or credible – you start distorting or throwing red herrings as arguments.

    On the question of foreign exchange I don’t know if David/BU has the related info (published in the newspaper) where it was stated that the remittances from guyanese in barbados back to guyana was in the high millions – every year.

    You ignored all I said in my earlier posts about the negative behaviour of your countrymen here – and responded with one line – there are good and bad guyanese entering every country – well my friend it seems we got most of the bad guyanese in barbados.

    You mention that if guyanese are so prevalent in barbados then we would be getting high earnings from house rentals.

    Didn’t you read where I said that guyanese rent a house as a single person and then cram in 15 adult persons for a house designed to accomodate 4 or 5 persons.That extra money is not going to the barbadian landlord but to corrupt,dishonest guyanese renter.

    I think right now I am going to sit back and have a second look at what you are NOW saying.

    What is most troubling to me is that after coming on here and telling us how terrible the indians are to afro guyanese,and point by point listing the hell we will see if we let this situation get out of hand you now come on this site and say ( see your post above):”I CAN SPECULATE ABOUT THE CULTURAL PROBLEMS YOU WOULD HAVE,BUT SINCE YOU ARE NOT RWANDA LET NO OLE TALK GET YOU WORKED UP”.

    So are you now saying all you told us before about the Indo – Afro conflict is just that – OLE TALK?

    I think I will also take into consideration the advice of Insight who told us that there are PPP supporters sent to be ghost letter writers on guyanese newspapers and as bloggers on site such as this.

    While you may or may not be in that group I am becoming a little suspicious of the slant you are taking which only reminds me of similar action by guyanese bloggers in the past.

    They start agreeing with you to worm their way in – you came in telling us how you were an afro guyanese of bajan descent and how we don’t know the horrors that will face us down the road with these indo guyanese and all the talk – but I am begining to see a subtle or even not so subtle shift from your previous comments.

    So true to form.

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 12:56 PM

    GuyanaMan…this is certainly not the kind of debate that Reaganomics wishes to be engaged in. It’s too emotionally charged and it does not help the image of my country Barbados. Please keep your anger, hatred and race politics to yourself, else you are just as guilty of the Indians you are accusing by spreading your anger.
    Just as BU’s central thesis is that of “managed migration” (which we are yet to be educated on) and the impact of multi-ethnic groups on Barbados; Reagonomics central position is respect for human rights and equality.
    Reagonomics will not sway from this philosophical position.

  • David // July 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM

    @Reagonomics

    Your arrogance and condescending positions is the reason you don’t attract debate in the BU family. If you want to see our positions on this matter do a search of BU. You may be surprise what we know. The last time we checked triangulation utilized a quantitative approach. Stay humble and true and the rest is easy brother. You may say that we have no idea of triangulation but you should go on.

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 1:08 PM

    Reagan

    I don’t want you to sway from your philosophical position,what I’m telling you with 100% certainty is that you will loose your Island to immigration especially those coming from Guyana. If I land in Barbados tomorrow I can pick these Guyanese out with much ease. Unless you guys adopt managed immigration,which I don’t think you have the balls to do,then your island is gone.

    You can doubt me all you want,but indian racism is the cause of all of this. What is going on in Guyana is an apartheid system, and many in Guyana were warning you guys years ago,but you ignored us. Now deal with what is coming your way and shut up.

    You guys were in love listening to Ricky Singh as he castigate Burnham, but nothing came out of his mouth after 92.

    Race,racis and democracy is the crux of your problem,and you can ignore it more and more. As bajans migrate to the tri state..NY,NJ,PA, we Guyanese will take your island away.

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 1:28 PM

    Reaganomics didnt want to touch this one at all. But Reaganomics finds it necessary to ask y some r calling 4 an apology from Randy.
    Randy is a free citizen (like us) living in a free democratic country (like us) and has the right to speculate (like so many here are doing/like us).
    Randy is using the same medium we are using here to state his position (real or imagined) just like all of us here are doing.
    This is exactly what Reaganomics is talking about. The principle of fairness!
    Anytime public policy is not rooted in the principle of fairness and equality it comes back to haunt you. Of course this is if we accept the principles of democracy and accept that we live in a democratic society.
    It’s clear for everyone to see that the main problem in Guyana is the breakdown of democracy.

  • Jay // July 27, 2008 at 1:28 PM

    GuyanaMan said:

    You bajans will loose your island,and that is what you get for staying silent while atrocities are being carried out right next door to you.

    I’m going to laugh at you guys,I’m just sad it could not be all the way to the bank.
    ————————————-

    Lol,do you actually think this ?from since when is Barbados responsible for Guyana ? Look at your own political leaders as the reason for Guyana’s continued failure as a country economically.You have a President who is even restructuring your economy to be reliant on remittances & exporting your own nationals as if they are a commodity.

    It is obvious the people of Guyana wish to have some of the amenities that is nominal for Bajan citizens but that is something only Guyanese citizens can work for in their own country.

    Remember,the idea of Caricom is that it is a community of Sovereign states,which Barbados still is & always will be if its Citizens allow.

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 1:33 PM

    “The last time we checked triangulation utilized a quantitative approach.”

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    This is Reaganomics’ point exactly. You dont have a clue what you are talking about.
    I’m truly sorry if this comes over as condescending for that’s not the intention.
    Reaganomics wonders what will be achieved by a managed migration policy.
    From Reaganomics’ very limited knowledge on the matter, “managed migration” is discriminatory by nature and allows to state to socially engineer as it sees fit, i.e. based on a dominant ideology.
    So please enlighten us BU!

  • boredickey // July 27, 2008 at 1:35 PM

    I have relativs in Guyana. I don’t know them, but my grandfather’s sister – now deceased- emigrated there in her teens and started a family. So this is not about hating Guyanese.
    As a tiny island (Island) we cannot be flooded by everyone from any one country. I have had Guyanese tell me boldly that they are going to run use out of here. Well, that will be the day when I die. I remember that after hurricane Ivan blasted Grenada on Sept 8th 2004 with 130mph winds, scores of Guyanese living in the spice isle, made a mad rush back home leaving Grenadians to refit the pieces. Upon their return to Georgetown, they had an unplesant welcome.Many local residents wondered about their job security’ despite Grenada’s devastation. Barbados is NOT the United States of the caribean. Just 166 square miles and with thousands of students graduating annualy. America, Britain, Canada and other developed countries with landspace are tightening their immigration laws, so where will our children go to carve their future. Just like freedom, our standard of living must be defended. That acknowledged standard is under threat mostly for the lower-earning class of our society. Eventually it will bleed into the middle class, hence posing a threat to out democracy. THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY THAT CAN SURVIVE WITHOUT A SIZABLE MIDDLE CLASS. Therefore, this matter of immigration MUST be managed as it relates to Guyanese, CHINESE;EUROPEANS; TRINIS;JAMAICANS; and whoever. More to come from me.

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 1:41 PM

    Yes,to secure your borders it should be in the interest of you to make sure your neighbors are democratic and don’t have an apartheid system stifling their citizens. Those citizens will feel as if they cannot do better with their situations and by any means necessary come into your country and make it unstable.

    Caricom as an entity has failed the people in Guyana and Haiti. Maybe we should ask them to leave and go to Barbados or Trinidad. Imagine the condition that we in Guyana have to live under,and they ignore a petition by the opposition.

    Blacks in Guyana are second class citizens, because we have an indo dominated government that will not end their apartheid until they strangle every last blackman to death in this country.

    For staying silent at the atrocity,Barbados is a goner, that is what you get.

    Anyone wants to be,that under CSME in 15years the Bajans will be a minority?

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 1:41 PM

    @ Jay
    “Remember,the idea of Caricom is that it is a community of Sovereign states,which Barbados still is & always will be if its Citizens allow.”
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    This is the exact challenge that CARICOM is facing right now. The states have not matured enough to the point whereby we can make the radical shift from our nationalist perspective to a regionalist one.
    After all, nationalism was a necessary exercise after decolonization. So leaders are now having a difficult time ‘revising’ this exercise.
    The irony however is that (like the World Cup), the global external forces and pressures may very well coerce us into this CSME exercise (for our own survival)
    The dislocation that the region is experiencing with labor coming out of Guyana is not at all uncommon to regionalism. And over time this will correct itself, as the labor demand will shift back to Guyana and salaries will have to rise there forcing labor back to Guyana. Of course this is theoretical based on general equilibrium theory.
    The human element is what we are now having a problem with.

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 1:50 PM

    @ GuyanaMan

    “Caricom as an entity has failed the people in Guyana and Haiti. ”

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    This is the only part of your statement that Reaganomics will agree with.
    The rest is speculative, so please stop saying that Barbados will loose [sic] (Reaganomics thinks you actually mean “lose”) its majority to indians. This is pure and unadulterated nonsense.

    Now on the point about CARICOM not speaking out about the atrocities in Guyana. You are absolutely correct. CARICOM remained silent during Burnham’s dictatorship because he was one of the “brothers”; it has remained silent on Haiti because this is the first ‘free’ (and this term is used loosely) black nation in the Western hemisphere; just as it has remained silent on Mugabe.
    That’s the predicament black leaders find themselves in when other black leaders let them down. So silence has always been the way it was dealt with.
    Look at how most African leaders are silent on Mugabe.
    Does this make it right? No it doesnt. It takes balls to come out and call a spade a spade though. But then there’s the cicular argument that “it’s a sovereign matter and we will not interfere.”
    You just cant win.

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 1:52 PM

    Aint no labor shifting back to Guyana,as long as these people who’s motto is “pan jhat” is in power and holds the minority in this country, it will always be unstable.

    Remember Guyanese are using Barbados as a drug shipment turf,that was made evident by the couple of big time drug dealers who were taken down in Barbados within the last few years. I see one of them is back in Guyana,don’t know what happen with the case.

    But for caricom to be silent at the atrocities in Guyana, is def sickening, and this will cause many of it’s members state to become unstable. Barbados is first,buckle up and enjoy the ride.

  • David // July 27, 2008 at 2:05 PM

    @Reagonomics

    Please check Hansard of two weeks ago next time you visit Barbados. This debate is about illegal immigration and the impact of ethnic groups on a stable host population. We will not shift.

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 2:05 PM

    @ GuyanaMan
    “Aint no labor shifting back to Guyana,as long as these people who’s motto is “pan jhat” is in power and holds the minority in this country, it will always be unstable.”
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    Then if your assessment is correct and Reaganomics trusts that it isn’t; GUYANA IS A FAILED STATE and will continue to be a burden to the enitre Caribbean region.
    So u r correct that CARICOM’s silence on Guyana is worrisome.
    Maybe the time has come for a frank honest debate on the Guyana crisis and CARICOM needs to strategize an SOS plan for our sister.
    Who has the balls?
    One of the first things that must be done for any progress on this issue will be one of the following: either move the Secretariat from Georgetown so that it attracts the best brains in the region or bring back Guyana to some state of normalcy within the next 60 months so that the Secretariat can have some legitimacy.
    Right now, it’s a bogus organization with absolutely no credibility and this is simply because it resides in a FAILED STATE.
    So the region’s leaders need some honest open talk.

  • DOCTOR GUYANA // July 27, 2008 at 2:14 PM

    Guyana man you are a dunce bamsee! What is pan jhat? Unless you can write in another language corrently, then refrain from doing so, as you can send the wrong message. And stop saying you are Guyana man if you are going to disparage our country, our people and our culture. This is disgraceful, all this race talk. The joke is on you all, remenber that, because in 2008 when the US is about to elect a black man as its leader, who claims to be a world citzen, you are seeking isolationists policies. It is sad, because we can all get along. The outside world is reading here, and the word is getting out of how racist Barbadians are, and those same white people with lots of moeny will sooner than later not want to visit and spend time insuch a racist place. The racist vibes will make them sick. Continue your race hate of Indo Guyanese, for it will affect you and only you. I feel sorry for you all. Most of the things you write here about Guyana are lies, but continue,you are sinking your own ship. I believe that crime that took the life of that handsome Essequibo young man and has left a brutiful Guyanese woman clinging to life in a hospital there was a hate crime, for why on earthwould arobber seek out a little Guyanese restaurant when there are big businesses to rob. It is a hate crime, and we good hearted Guyanese are E-Mailing our friends around the world telling them what happened to our citizens in Barbados. Remmeber now there are close to a 1/2 million of our people int he USA alone, and they have frineds and so on. So we are spreading the word too via E-Mail about you all. As I say it is sad then I see such blamtant racism. Your leaders should be ashamed of you.

    Doctor Guyana

    Have you not read you consul general Norman Faria who is posted in Barbados has denouced Dr. Persuad’s letter as rubbish? Yet you would make the statement above? Then you are no different are you. Please relax!

    David

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 2:14 PM

    @ David

    “This debate is about illegal immigration and the impact of ethnic groups on a stable host population. We will not be shift.”

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    Seeing that u will not be shifted, Reaganomics can only conclude that “managed migration” will be a public policy that is designed not to alter the demographic profile of Barbados.
    In order to do this, it means that such a policy will logically have to discriminate along the lines of race and ethnicity.
    Now, this is why such a policy WILL BE PROBLEMATIC.
    a) We live within the context of regionalism.
    b) The region is made up of several races.
    c) Barbados has an ageing population and labor shortages in a number of sectors (both professional and unskilled)
    d) Barbados does and will require labor if it’s to maintain its current standard of living; since the birthrate is not keeping apace with the ageing population.
    e) Barbados is a democracy and does not subscribe to any form of discrimination as enshrined in its constitution.
    So please explain to us what is this “managed migration” and possible solutions for its implementation against such a backdrop and within the context of CSME.

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 2:16 PM

    Guyana is a failed state, and it has been more than 2years political commentators are writing on the failures of Guyana. You need to read the news and see the comic shows that go on in this country. This is not a country, it is a banana republic.

    Simple things you bajan take for granted we in Guyana long for. Stable electricity,stable water, a police force that respects the law and the citizens of this nation, massive corruption. State sponsor execution of opposition and people they think are criminals. Ministers firing guns in public,being involve in public beat downs. Ministers children above the law.

    And a president who have cuss downs and call them press conference. It is at the point where most Guyanese would agree that Jagdeo is the worst president ever in the caribbean.

    But bajans don’t know,because they stick their heads in the sand and proclaim they were/are better than Guyanese. Then deal with what we have to offer you now.

  • David // July 27, 2008 at 2:19 PM

    @Reagonomics

    Your last comment is not relevant. Managed migration is what developed countries now practice. Go do some research.

  • DOCTOR GUYANA // July 27, 2008 at 2:23 PM

    You move your Secretariat out, for I am not the least bit interested in having some racist black people from liitle dots in the sea parading around Guyana seeking to integrate our country with some dots as big as Timehri Airport. Move out! Our country is stable, it ’s yours that is not, but continue the racist rhetoric and see what will beocme of you, consume yourself, for not even your Caricom wii be able to help you. So sad, so sad, and some of you are educated, you would think that a little education would have freed your minds of evil racism, but no, you hell bent on isolation. You will get it soon than later when your are no longer above the sun, but under the sea, global warming.

  • David // July 27, 2008 at 2:25 PM

    It looks like our friends from Guyana are refusing to acknowledge the point which we want to argue but instead are happy to derail the discussion. If it continues we will have to do what we are hesitant to do.

  • Michael Belle // July 27, 2008 at 2:26 PM

    Anon,

    Do you want discussion or do you want to form a mob?

    15 Guyanese to a house is an exaggeration unless you have evidence of it. You will weaken your arguments if you do not have evidence.

    How many Guyanese go to Barbados. The immigration from both countries can say. The airlines can give approximations. They can also say how many people came in and left.

    I am not interested in worming my way into this or any other site. It is just that I have my own way to trying to get the truth. I believe in stats and am trained to measure social truth by stats.

    Walking past a street corner and seeing Guyanese getting drunk, and noting the work of whore, scam artist and the other illegals is one kind of evidence. There are other ways to get evidence which I am pointing out to you. Note carefully what I am saying and try to get some figures if you are really serious about getting government and the people to react.

    If most Guyanese there are illegal, which is possible, then neither you nor I can talk about numbers unless we make guesstimates. And I am in a better position to guess because I have info on Guyanese immigration and census changes.

    When was the last census done and what were the results. How has B’dos population changed in the last ten years? Barbados has excellent statisticians who, if they are ordered by government could come up with a figure. In all cases I don’t think Barbados can hold more than 65 000 extra souls without massive change.

    Look at Dubai, Bahrain, Qatar etc. Small places with few natives. More migrants than natives because the economy is growing fast.

    All along I have been giving you ideas for research and comparison. I thought I read David asking for discussion on the matter. Please allow me to discuss. Beating drum and blowing whistle has been going on in Barbados for a long time about immigration.

    As a development planner I can tell you guys that once an economy starts to grow and create more jobs than the natives can handle, immigration will occur and the drum beating and whistle blowing that goes with it. Some of the fears will be real. Many of the fears will be real. But you need facts and a knowledge of the field to separate real fear from panic, self-flattery, jingoism, prejudice , arrogance, excess nationalism etc.

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 2:27 PM

    Doctor Guyana:

    It’s unfortunate that the handful of persons who come here and blatantly espouse racism have no idea what damage they’re doing to Barbados.
    On several occasions, the more enlightened has called for decent and honorable debate on the issue of intra-regional migration, but this has taken a very sad path and in the end Barbados stands more to lose; because sorry to say, Reagonomics doesnt think that Guyana can get any worse, only better (and this is not meant to be disparaging in any way so please dont take it the wrong way).
    Peter will pay for Paul and Paul will pay for all.
    BBC is already on the trail and most of the island’s visitors are from the UK including an increasing number of Brits of indian descent.
    So if we continue to paint this bigoted image of Barbados it will eventually scare off investors and visitors alike.
    It’s really ironic that the world’s most powerful nation is about to elect a mixed race man with a white mother and a black father and us here in the Caribbean are preaching division. Yet they all support OBAMA.
    Reaganomics can only conclude with a quote from Obama’s Berlin speech:
    “The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes; natives and immigrants; Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down. “

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 2:31 PM

    “Your last comment is not relevant. Managed migration is what developed countries now practice. Go do some research.”

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    Reaganomics has done the research and currently lectures about it. And you are absolutely correct. “Managed migration” is definitely practised in the developed countries.
    YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOOO CORRECT, it’s designed to keep out people of color. Oh yes, it’s also design do send criminals back to the Caribbean even though they’re US citizens with green cards.
    SO YOU ARE ON THE BALL WITH THAT ONE. THE DEVELOPED WORLD IS INDEED PRACTISING MANAGED MIGRATION. ESPECIALLY JAPAN!

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 2:34 PM

    “It looks like our friends from Guyana are refusing to acknowledge the point which we want to argue but instead are happy to derail the discussion. If it continues we will have to do what we are hesitant to do.”
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    It seems as though BU will only entertain those who agree with its point of view.
    You are bigger than that David. Your role is the steer the debate and maintain editorial and journalistic objectivity.

  • David // July 27, 2008 at 2:35 PM

    So are you saying that Barbados should not put a system in place to keep out criminals as well? Are you saying that Barbados should not undertake a skills audit to determine the relevant skills that would be required to help develop Barbados and recruit the immigrant labour to match?

    To quote our Attorney General:

    Stuart said while Barbados and the Democratic Labour Party had made stellar contributions to the regional integration effort, this country could not continue to be the suitor in regional integration matters when there was no corresponding enthusiasm.

    “Barbados will not be the hub of efforts toward regional integration in circumstances where other players don’t share our enthusiasm . . . and [where] the interest of Barbadians may be compromised,” the minister said.

    “Barbados must not become a kind of warehouse in which is stored the social and other problems of the Caribbean,” he added.

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 2:47 PM

    @ Michael:
    As a development planner I can tell you guys that once an economy starts to grow and create more jobs than the natives can handle, immigration will occur and the drum beating and whistle blowing that goes with it. Some of the fears will be real. Many of the fears will be real. But you need facts and a knowledge of the field to separate real fear from panic, self-flattery, jingoism, prejudice , arrogance, excess nationalism etc.
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    Please continue my brother, you are making a lot of sense. But welcome to BU. If you dont agree with the general sentiment, you will be targeted and called names and it’ll get personal. They’ll swarm down on you like vultures.
    But your probing makes a lot of sense as you are obviously trained in the methods of scientific enquiry.
    However, Reaganomics can attest to the fact that there’s overcrowding in houses rented to Guyanese nationals.
    Reagonomics is part of a research team now looking at the whole issue of the impact of CSME and migratory flows.
    Please feel free to send me an email at reaganomics@hushmail.com
    YOU ARE MAKING A LOT OF SENSE.

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM

    So are you saying that Barbados should not put a system in place to keep out criminals as well? @ David
    Are you saying that Barbados should not undertake a skills audit to determine the relevant skills that would be required to help develop Barbados and recruit the immigrant labour to match?
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    Reaganomics is not saying this at all. This is what is needed. And furthermore, Reaganomics is stating that screening for diseases should be done. This makes sense.
    What Reaganomics is absolutely against is racial profiling of any kind. I’m sorry. Reaganomics will not support any “managed migration” policy that discriminates along the line of race. Yes, protect your society from crime, lawlessness and disease, but if you’re heading down the road of “racial discrimination” then that’s wrong. PURE AND SIMPLE

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 2:56 PM

    @ David again.

    The AG’s position is not at all at odds with the traditional stance the DLP has taken in respect of CARICOM. So that’s not surprising. This position goes back over 40 year. The DLP has always been nationalistic.

    What is unfortunate about this position, however, is that whereas Barbados was a leader in promoting CARICOM/CSME, it has now retreated.
    The irony is that it has done so while promoting the benefits of the EPA which has a significantly larger number of implementation actions than CSME.
    Go figure. White man still rules! We will cowtow to the EPA but screw our own in CSME.

  • Anonymous // July 27, 2008 at 2:57 PM

    Michael belle

    Read carefully what I am about to say to you.

    I apologise for taking you at face value and believing you to be honest and credible.

    Your last postings have proven me very wrong on that score -because frankly I find you to be very dishonest and engaging in double speak.

    Yet once again – another bajan falls for guyanese deceit.

    I have answered your post of July 27th @ 11:21 a.m. – point by point.

    But as is usual when faced with the facts you don’t response but throw in some red herring arguments.

    You have been unable to accurately counter my argument point by point.

    I think you owe the prime minister of barbados a little more respect don’t you – because you seem to be calling him a liar – since it was in an earlier post that I pointed out that prime minister thompson himself told the nation about the ‘15 adult guyanese living in a 3 bedroom house with one toilet” which he passes every day on his way to work.

    Yet you who is so full of nothing – come on this site and accuse me of exaggerating when I quoted that figure. You come on here telling us you are trained as a planner in this and that and then pulling imaginary immigration numbers out of a hat.

    What planner what.

    You sir,like your countrymen are a fraud – who speak from both side of your mouth.

    You can continue to carry on the conversation with yourself since I realise you are not on this site – seeking truth.

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 3:04 PM

    We have a refugee crisis going on in Guyana into to Barbados. Many of you look at TV and see these things happening in Africa and thought it could never happen in the Caribbean. Well,goodluck..

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 3:11 PM

    @ Anon

    I think Michael may find it shocking to know that his countrymen are living in these conditions. That’s all.

    @ Michael
    We can take you to places in Belleville right now where your countrymen are living in cramped conditions. All in the city areas and even in the countryside.
    However, this is by their own choice, because (from studies and interviews) they’ll tell you that it’s a sacrifice they’re making for a short period until they return to their families or even send money back to Guyana to build a better home.
    This is no different from Bajans who lived in basements in Brooklyn and sponsored their families until things got better. Many of these people today own their own homes and live in much better conditions.
    This is a normal phenomenon of THE MIGRANT and the type of sacrifice that is made in the first generation; and it’s not unique to indians.
    First generation Irish, Italians and other Europeans lived in very dehumanizing conditions when they moved to America. Chinese immigrants in the US also experience this.
    However, the psychology of the migrant is to be admired because there is a very high level of self-motivation that leads to success and this is what America is built on.

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 3:13 PM

    Don’t mistake a refugee crisis with legal immigration.

  • Anonymous // July 27, 2008 at 3:15 PM

    David your post done derailed – reganomics/peltdownman/ian walcott join in the ‘do’.

    He will continue like this until he fills up this post with rubbish and turn people off – then it is mission accomplished.

    I smile as I read the trite simplistic utterings made by michael belle – telling us look at the last census – see how the poulation has changedetc;

    or

    Don’t you know as your economy grows immigration will follow as job opportunities increase.

    I wonder if he thinks he is talking to dithering idiots here.

    What he is saying is so obvious that even a class one child in hindsbury primary could work that out.

    You think we had to wait from someone in guyana to tell us about doing census,and the like – this is Barbados friend – census are done all the time – however since the BLP did not want the true migrant population figure to be known by the voters, then the matter of conducting a population census naturally would be out of the question.

    Steupes.

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 3:19 PM

    @ Anon

    You forgot to add one more name to Reaganomics.

    reganomics/peltdownman/ian walcott/randypersaud

  • David // July 27, 2008 at 3:19 PM

    @Reagonomics

    We urge you to stay focused on the points we continue to make in our blogs and not veer to the tangential lured by commenters.

    Have we preached racial profiling? What we have called for is to study the impact of multi-ethnic groups on a stable host(BLACK) population. There is tonnes of scholarly work on this subject. In the same way an organization will design HR policies to respond to the challenges of operating across multi-cultural jurisdictions and the diversity in employees that will result, so too at a country level the same should occur, if we are smart. It does not mean that profiling will has to take place, what it means is that redesign in our education model, health and other social structures would have to change commensurate with the flow of ethnic groups in our PUNY island. BU research supports that the best way to maintain a stable environment is to ensure structures exist which will facilitate integration at a social level. Where immigration will fail is if it is based on economic and geographical models ALONE.

    @GuyanaMan

    The Indo-Indians running from Guyana can’t be labeled refugees. If you check the true definition you will see why. How can an Indo-Guyanaese who represent 50+% of the population under an Indian government be classified a political refugee?

  • DOCTOR GUYANA // July 27, 2008 at 3:22 PM

    Guyana Man , Alright Guyana is a failed state ! Please define failed state? At least your definition of a failed state? You also should STOP comparing Guyana with Barbados, for as you and I know that Guyana is 700 miles from Waini Point in the north to the Kamoa Mountains in the south, and 300 miles across, at its widest point. So for you to come here and talk about water disruptions in a country such as ours, with one such as Barbados with 166 square miles is hogwash. Watch GWI show with Cathy and Company and get an insight as to why water disruptions in certain areas. // 13,000 miles of pipelines alone in a sparsely populated country, so if the lines are broken at Parika, it could be a while before they are fixed, remember now a big country with so few people, so not a big tax base, therefore, not enought money to have people to fix things immediately.

    President Jagdeo is doing his best, and sometimes it is frustrating for him, but to bash him as you have done here Guyana Man is unpatriotic and un-Guyanese. And it is apan jhat, not what you have placed on this board. And that statement has been taken out of context since it was first used in the 1950’s.

    One of you said that Suriname suppressed the Indian population with the army. The coup by Desi Bouterse that toopled Henk Aaaron had nothing to do with race, but more with corruption in govenment. Suriname has no clear cut majority, for there is no black majority so to speak of, it is a multi-ethnic nation of Javanese, Creoles, Djukas, Chinese, Jews, Lebanese, Guyanese, East Indians, white people, Amerindians and so on. Get the facts straight folks, and stop the hate.

    Indian man you write that we now have inter marriages in Guyana, you born yesterday, we have always had that sort of thing in Guyana. Our population is the most polyglot in the region, lots of mixtures in Guyana, so for you to come and say such folly is beyond my imagination. You paint such a grim picture of Guyana, when in reality it is not like that at all. You also claim that nursing, teaching and policing are blue collar jobs. I beg to differ with you for I am a registered burse with a BS degree in nursing, and in not form or fashion am I am blue collar worker. You say all the black people in Guyana are blue collar workers, which I am in totally disagreement with, for it is the exact opposite, most East Indians in Guyana are blue collareworkers, look nothing wrong with that. we need everybody, cane cutter, nurse, taecher, donkey cart driver, and so on. End racism, and get the facts right.

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 3:24 PM

    hahaha,it is our resident racist Randy posting under that label. Is too good for you bajans. You allowed these racist in your country in the first place.

    We want the BU family to know that Guyana Man posts in BU under several names: Sista in one of the most recent.

    David

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 3:28 PM

    Jay // July 25, 2008 at 10:29 am

    That is NOT as disturbing as this article.Please read all of it.I think it also might explain who Reagonomics=Dr. Randy Persaud ?

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 3:28 PM

    bro,u keep harping on apan jhat,that was a typo. But Guyana today is under an apartheid system with Jagdeo and his narco state.

    Using the state mechanism to execute innocent black men he feels is a threat to him.

    And yes Guyana is a failed state,that is why we have that refugee crisis.

    Imagine a country where 1million of it’s citizen live abroad and only 600k live within it’s border.

  • DOCTOR GUYANA // July 27, 2008 at 3:29 PM

    No refugee crisis what so ever! Anyone is free to leave Guyana and come back, granted you have a valid passport that is up to date , birth certificate, NIS card, and so on. People have left Guyana in droves, this is not something new. Nova Scotia has a thriving Black Guyanese population that left British Guiana in the late 19th century. Nothing new. so to say refugee crisis is to stir up trouble for your fellow Guyanese.

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 3:34 PM

    @ David
    “What we have called for is to study the impact of multi-ethnic groups on a stable host(BLACK) population. There is tonnes of scholarly work on this subject. In the same way an organization will design HR policies to respond to the challenges of operating across multi-cultural jurisdictions and the diversity in employees that will result, so too at a country level the same should occur, if we are smart. It does not mean that profiling will has to take place, what it means is that redesign in our education model, health and other social structures would have to change commensurate with the flow of ethnic groups in our PUNY island. BU research supports that the best way to maintain a stable environment is to ensure structures exist which will facilitate integration at a social level. Where immigration will fail is if it is based on economic and geographical models ALONE.”
    ******************************************
    Y couldnt you have said this from the get-go. This is fair and just.
    Thank you! Failing that explanation, it was starting to get fuzzy on what you meant by calling for an impact study on flow of other ethnic groups within the context of managed migration.
    Since, as Reagonomics has pointed out, there is a significant body of research and upsurge of advocacy groups that are fighting the managed migration policies of the OECD which have strong elements of “racial discrimination”.
    But thanks for the clarification. So long as BU is not promoting a similar policy then Reaganomics can breathe a sigh of relief and start to regain faith in Barbadian pragmatism.

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 3:39 PM

    They are free to come back to be persecuted under this KKK regime that calls itself the PPP. During the world cup a few people I know from Guyana personally call me and ask me for money,so they can get into Barbados,that was the free up time. Tons of Guyanese left Guyana during CWC 2007 and never to return. They are all hiding in Barbados and Trinidad.

    Which Guyanese will stay in Guyana,when 90 miles north there is Trinidad. A stable government,basic utility,many radio staions,choices of TV station..and freedom.

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 3:50 PM

    DAVID,
    I have not posted under any other names in this forum. I recently discover this forum when Racist Randy posted that missive in the Guyana newspaper. Before that,I did not know you guys existed.

    Sorry, we meant Doctor Guyana

    David

  • Reaganomics // July 27, 2008 at 4:03 PM

    David:

    The best thing to do is exercise editorial license and remove that. Besides, if DoctorGuyana chooses to use different handles, that’s his right.

    We know why we made the statement and regulars to BU will understand. Just relax Ok?

    David

  • DOCTOR GUYANA // July 27, 2008 at 4:06 PM

    Guyana man you continue with your rhertoric! I hope you are enjoying the many radio stations and so on whereever you are, but I also hope that you are sending a little something back home for family and not being greedy and selfish with your new found freedom and I would guess wealth.

    Some of you are cavalier here, just by the fact that you state your tourists come form the UK so no need to worry about all the racist vile that is posted here. Trsut me you are dead wrong for every curry loving English man, upon coming to this website would stop visiting Barbados in a New York minute. Be careful, because when people google Barbados and this site comes up, and they see underground they are thinking oh, illicit things to do in Barbados, but then they see the racist diatribe posted here, and say forget Barbabdos, too racist and angry of a place, bad vibes.

    I heard most of you all here are Guyanese! The GOB needs to route you all off the internet.

  • David // July 27, 2008 at 4:12 PM

    We want to put things in perspective and say that many of the commenters representing Guyana are doing so from the USA and other developed countries. We want to hear from Guyanese based in Guyana as well.

  • Ruel Daniels // July 27, 2008 at 5:06 PM

    Google “Kaieteur News” today Saturday July 26 issue. Go to “Letters” and click on a long letter to the Editor written by one Dr. Randy Persaud. The headline reads : Bajans, Guyanese and the politics of hate.
    email address: Kaieteurnews @yahoo.com
    We all need to let readers in Guyana know how we feel. Earlier this week they made certain charges about us with regard to the shooting at the bar on Bay street. People, I say we need to fight back by emailing newspapers in Guyana expressing our disgust. This situation created by OWEN Arthur could get ugly
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    Look, Randy Persaud does not speak for Guyana. He speaks for a racial element in Guyana. No one is applauding this criminal act that saw the deaths of several persons. But the supporter of Government that remained silent while hundreds were murdered by drug traficking vigilantes is the last person to be pointing fingers at Barbados where the rule of law and operations of the Law enforcement is eons ahead of Guyana.

    Randy Persaud and many like him who support the PPP Government would not go back to Guyana and live under their rule. He is an ethnicist who glorifies in the idea that his ethnicity is supreme in Guyana, and attacks anyone who dares to challenge his triumphalistic views.

    Look, Bardadians need to become hip to the guilt trip strategies employed by some of these Indoists who believe that blacks in the Caribbean are Dalits and that they as Brahmins superior, and have a right to revel in that sense of superiority. They have re-defined racism to mean challenging them on this right. It is a devious and machiavellian strategy that people need to become hip to, and not be lured into maintaining silence because of fear of such labelling. To hell with all of those with this mindset I say.

  • Ruel Daniels // July 27, 2008 at 5:18 PM

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    Guyanaman wrote:
    They are free to come back to be persecuted under this KKK regime that calls itself the PPP. During the world cup a few people I know from Guyana personally call me and ask me for money,so they can get into Barbados,that was the free up time. Tons of Guyanese left Guyana during CWC 2007 and never to return. They are all hiding in Barbados and Trinidad.

    Which Guyanese will stay in Guyana,when 90 miles north there is Trinidad. A stable government,basic utility,many radio staions,choices of TV station..and freedom.

    I am pleased to see that some Guyanese are finding these blogs and putting the truth out there. If you go to some of the blogs populated by the Richmond Hill Queens segment of the Guyanese population you will see blatant descriptions and equations of African Guyanese using all the slurs and innuendos native to0 the old American South. Then they come on blogs like these and attempt to label others as racist.

    The BBC has a tape with indian Guyanese calling African Guyanese “black dogs”. Not one of these bloody sobs who come here and jive about intolerance ever rasied their voices in objections to this. After the US arrested some Guyanese black muslims for planning a terrorist act, Albert Baldeo, a Guyanese Lawyer from Richmond Hill Queens went to great lengths to explain to white journalist how as Infians and Hindus they were different from the black population of Guyana. None of those who come here and blah blah had any problem with that.

    These racist who come here and try to cow people into silence over exposure of a behaviour and attitude that is native to Guyana and Trinidad as sugar and steel pan respectively need to be told to go take a hike. We need to cease pretending that their outpourings are pleas for tolerance and see them for what they are. A clever effort to convince people they have a big foot, so that these people would not examine theirs.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 27, 2008 at 5:26 PM

    Tony Hall // July 27, 2008 at 9:08 am

    Adrian,
    I startred the ball rolling by sending the below email to Dr. Persaud demanding an apology. Failing to do so I shall forge ahead.
    =================================

    Good going Tony. I intend to follow suite, in addition to the other things i mentioned earlier.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 27, 2008 at 5:30 PM

    Ruel Daniels // July 27, 2008 at 5:06 pm
    says:

    Randy Persaud and many like him who support the PPP Government would not go back to Guyana and live under their rule. He is an ethnicist who glorifies in the idea that his ethnicity is supreme in Guyana, and attacks anyone who dares to challenge his triumphalistic views.
    =================================

    Do you have any proof of this? and will you be willing to share it with us. I intend to expose Randy to his faculty collegues and student body of American University for them to decide how they relate to him going forward.

  • Michael Belle // July 27, 2008 at 5:30 PM

    David,

    Thanks for keeping the discussion on track. As far as I understand we are exchanging ideas and opinions, not forming a posse chasing the steel donkeys of Guyanese immigration. That said I have to make my positions clear.

    Anon:

    David Thompson does pass a house everyday wid 15 Guyanese living in it. He count them and he ain’t call immigration!!!!!. And this is the man all you got running the place. How many more guyanese living 15 a piece in a house. If half the Guyanese are living at least ten to a squat. Another half must be living better. Based on one observation by the PM we get to the point that the whole group living like the Haitains in some countries. Taking turns sleeping in the same bed. Bedsharing is done by young single male immigrants. Is this the case in B’dos. In this case watch your women!!!

    Reaganomics.

    Will drop you a line. I lived in Europe from the time free movement of goods and persons was debated then introduced as the European Union evolved. The same fears were expressed as in the case of the CSME. From France I heard that millions of poor Portuguese or Poles would be flooding the place. I warned then that it would never happen because immigration never happens like that. The absorptive capacity of the host country, meaning strength of economy, cultural affinity etc were factors that determine flows. Overall regional employment rates and the labour mobility factors (bachelorhood, high education, linguistic similarity, historical emigration patterns, availability of schools, homes, salary differentials between point A and point B etc. ) have to be factored in.

    The Indo-Guyanese case is similar to the case of the Arab and African immigration into Europe (or Turkish into Germany) . Cultural differences will create strains. The ethno-social hierarchy is challenged. The French have managed to get to the point where the Arab and African populations are effectively marginalised. If Dr Hillary Beckles says the white/black divide in barbados is still a problem can Barbados deal with massive non black immigration?

    Britain with the Indian and Chinese waves have done a better job os accepting and handling migrants, but still the social project is to prevent the non-European immigrants from imposing a sometimes questionable social practice on the natives.

    I don’t think CSME will result in mass transfers of population to B’dos.

    1) Barbados is not perceived as a prime destination. Canada and the USA where a lot of islanders can go to without visas, is preferred.

    2) Barbados will be a way station to those places by some Caricom nationals/islanders who will simply be seeking a Bajan passport and the visa-free mobility it guarantees. In other words they will stick around, get residence and coitizenship and then transfer to Toronto etc. Barbados is just not rich enough to retain ambitious Indians.

    3) Trinidad and Tobago is the only other country with an economy vibrant enough to attract immigration. Repatriating money, high unemployment and crime and other factors will help make Trinidad a country of limited appeal.

    4) Countries with excess labour that can send immigrants to other islands are few. The Eastern caribbean economies have shown reasonable growth and any emigration that there is has been to extra Caribbean countries. Even so, who, from the islands is hiding out in Bim right now? Or is it only Guyanese from South America?

    5) The overall Caribbean labour force is too small for there to be such massive movement as to create desequilibria on the scale Bajans fear

    6) etc. Don’t want to go on too long but suffice it to say that no regional free movement regime, in Europe or Africa, has led to the level of labour transfers that are feared. There have been , in Africa, as in Kenya recently, Gabon, Cameroon and the Southern cone, cases of refugee movement from war, and economic movement from joblessness and with it occasional violence against immigrants. The ebb and flow has led to beating up of foreigners as in Libya. But we are talking about different conditions.

    Bajans should realise, without overstating the case, that the immigration will stop as soon as a critical point is reached. The critical point can be calculated or surmised. How we can guess where the critical point is will be explained later. If your economy is growing by X % per annum and labour demands increase by Y% then your country will need 15 Guyanese per house. If the growth is sufficiently sustained to ensure that emigrants put down roots and a second generation sprouts on your soil -ripping off old men, whoring, and posiing as carpenters- then it could only mean that the economy is in equilibrium. What is your current unemployment rate?

    Anon:

    The Indian presence, frankly, will not be easy to integrate. But. Indians are going to Canada and the States. The few in Barbados will give you guys a run for your money. However, seriously I don’t know enough of the situation to say if it will become like Guyana. If they reach critical mass then they can reproduce their culture. The culture is inward looking to a great extent. By the time they have Anon shackled to a punt/barge pulling cane on railtrack or canal, he will look back at this discussion and damn the day he didn’t start a one man hunger strike below the Nelson statue. Outside parliament buildings or the immigration office. The Indian Chief of Immigration who is now in his mother’s womb will make sure Anon get what’s coming..

    Dr G

    Did the coup in Suriname have anything to do with race? Not directly, but, I am told by Surinamers, it was one of the issues the Creoles considered. Don’t forget at the time the Indians were seen as traitors by many. Why? They disproportionately sought and got Dutch citizenship and shipped out in great numbers at independence. Vagrants and opportunists and unpatriotic etc are labels that have stuck to them even though they have done a great deal for Suriname.

  • Adrian Hinds // July 27, 2008 at 5:35 PM

    Ruel Daniels // July 27, 2008 at 5:18 pm
    Guyanaman wrote:

    I am pleased to see that some Guyanese are finding these blogs and putting the truth out there. If you go to some of the blogs populated by the Richmond Hill Queens segment of the Guyanese population you will see blatant descriptions and equations of African Guyanese using all the slurs and innuendos native to0 the old American South. Then they come on blogs like these and attempt to label others as racist.
    =================================

    I will do a search, but can you place the url here so that all can see the evidence of what we know be true?

  • insight // July 27, 2008 at 5:37 PM

    david: the people in Guyana would think twicw about getting on this blog unless they aaare assured they cannot be tracked.

    Read Doctor Guyana (another ghost writer for the PPP)
    “I heard most of you all here are Guyanese! The GOB needs to route you all off the internet.” He also says to Guyana Man that he should not criticize Guyana and that he should send money home… that all fits into the PPP plan of control of people and being supported by their “people exports”. Jagdeo recently made a speech in NYC where he sais that he is training doctors, nurses, teachers and skilled people in great quantities so that there will be enough to service Guyana’s needs as well as for export. .. as he says he cannot stop people from emigrating. .. What a lame solution to really solving the main question: ” Why are Guyanese leaving in such numbers, and what can he do to make Guyana an attractive place to live in, visit, return to and an attraction for immigrants.

    Mind you, Guyana PPP will not be welcoming immigrants from Caricom in large numbers if they felt that would destabilize their slight majority of Indians who control almost everything there that relates to big bucks. Do you see that government accepting Hatians in great numbers if Haiti is given full Caricom access and free movement becomes a reality?

    Let us accept the realities as they are NOW:

    Caricom is a failure as independent states have kept their individual nationalism and have used it for mainly trade and now ith the CSME, easier investment by regional companies. It keeps many highly paid “technocrats” emploted but is basically a talk shop, where implementation of agreements are minimal.

    CSME benefits very few people, mainly businessmen and the select few who are graduates, musisians etc. Artisans and shilled workers were supposed to have free movement by now, but that has been delayed as there is no proper implementation. It will fail as CSME will fail. Free trade and investment does not require a market and economy, and the region will not fail without CSME as some think. It has already failed and so has Caricom. Territories have to understand this reality and stop pretending that the”king” is not naked. Many have said similar things on various threads on this and other blogs.

    When The DLP was sworn in at Kensington Oval, Prime Minister Thompson introduced the honoured leaders of the Cayman Islands and Dominica. He also mentioned then and later about greater agricultural trade with Dominica and the OECS islands… The Guyanese farm exporters to Barbados did not like that at all. Barbados has to actively start helping islands, like Dominica to support their farming and economy by importing their products… Use the idle fishing boats to start this process.

    The Cayman Islands have an excellent managed immigration system. Using their expertise and tracking systems should make for speedy implementation in Barbados.

    All illegal immigrants in Barbados, from anywhere will be asked to leave within six months. If they want to return they can apply for a visa and they will be accepted based on their skills and needs in Barbados. Some have called for a review of all “permits” for Barbadian citizenship and residency, in the last 15 years and suspect ones ahould be canceled… as a lot of them are suspect…. I agree with that!

    Illegal immigrants should be told that those who do not take up on the six month window to leave Barbados,would be incarcerated at the empty Glendairy prison until they can afford to pay their way home. Barbados will not be responsible for paying the fare for people who break its laws knowingly.

    The cleanup campaign by Barbados will NOT adversely affect tourism as the PPP ghost writers and mouthpieces are saying….. It will help tourism as Barbados cannot afford to have the riff raff of any country being exported here to live a life of crime and be a burden on the social and other services. Development of high end tourism fits well with “managed immigration”. Cayman Islands is prospering as well as Bermuda with their policies based on managed immigration.

    The cleanup campaign will affect people from many countries, including Europeans living in Barbados illegally. Work permits can then be applied for after they like all the others leave… and these permits should only be for one year. persons committing serious crimes will be deported to wherever they are from. Barbadians have to take charge of their country or there will be no “real Barbados” in a few years to talk about.

    It may already be too late, but some action has to be implemented. This has been, for too long, a rudderless situation where there is no leadership. Where there is no firm leadership others with their own agenda will take charge… You well know who these people are…

    Insight

  • Ruel Daniels // July 27, 2008 at 5:39 PM

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    David
    The other point suggest that indians and we have seen it in the Chinese population as well are clannish. If this behaviour is consistent and the immigrant population is unchecked is it reasonable to assume that social cohesion within the groups in the host population should be managed
    ******************************************

    David this behaviour is beyond clannish. It is racist. It came to Guyana and Trinidad with some of the indentured labourers, many of whom were at the back of the bus while they were in India. But when they got to the Caribbean and saw a large population of people dark like them but with curly hair, they immediately underwent an inverse proportional psychological transformation. The blacks became the dalits they were back in India, and they rose to the level of Brahmins.

    Look, not all Indians are like that. And many who live as Indians but are mixed tell stories of discrimination by family members because of their black blood. Some Indians in Guyana boast that they would kill their daughters if she dated or slept with a black man.

    As for that guy who describes himself as indian something talk about Indians being driven out of Linden, what he neglected to mention was that blacks were driven out of several villages on the Corentyne, and that Indians who were sent to Cuba for guerilla training returned and and were retaliating tit for tat with terrorist acts , like the bombing of the Sun Chapman that was filled with African Guyanese. Don’t let them convince you that it was a one sided affair. Read Freddie Kissoon’s column in today’s Kaieteurnews and get a glimpse of what we are dealing with in Guyana. Read the writings of Eusi Kwayanna, and get the gist of the history of violence in Guyana. Guyana is not a democracy, it is an ethnocracy.

  • Michael Belle // July 27, 2008 at 5:40 PM

    Ruel D,

    What you say is 100% true. The GNI “guyanafriends” forum is a good example. Blacks are described as brutes, animals, dogs, criminals etc.

    These poor Barbadians don’t know what they have coming. May God have mercy on their souls.

    Annon: read what Ruel has said and do not fail to venture out of your house appropriately armed.

  • disgusted // July 27, 2008 at 5:44 PM

    I’m from guyana and the racist picture painted by these so called guyanese are truly heart breaking guyana is a peaceful society but in which many hostilities are harboured but this hostility was created by the politicians mainly the PNC saying that the PPP discriminate against afro-guyanese but this is totally not true many african communities are even more developed than the indian communities some with better hospitals, roads,housing,water,etc. This visible in their everyday life but there is still this racist slang used by the PNC which it uses to get it’s votes but with the PPP gaining 54% votes indians don’t make up 54% of the population many africans also voted for them.

  • Ruel Daniels // July 27, 2008 at 5:46 PM

    Do you have any proof of this? and will you be willing to share it with us. I intend to expose Randy to his faculty collegues and student body of American University for them to decide how they relate to him going forward
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    The proof is in his writings. He has written letters excusing the vigilante killings of more than 200 young blackmen by a gang led by twice convicted felon who fled American Justice, and who is now in a US prison awaiting trial for drug trafficking. African Americans who have experienced a history of vigilante justice should be able to relate to that. Access the PNC website and you will find an affidavit by an Indian named George Bacchus who exposed the them Minister of Home Affairs Ronald Gajraj, and who along with his brother were subsequently gunned down. Ronald Waddell, a blck activists was gunned down in front of his home. The Guyana Government only offer rewards for killings when the victims are Indians. Ask Randy Persaud to explain this.

  • disgusted // July 27, 2008 at 5:48 PM

    guyana man is a tout of from the PNC run rickforde burke organisation or a full blow pnc activist in guyana making their racist selves known.

  • Ruel Daniels // July 27, 2008 at 6:01 PM

    http://guyanaprovidencestadium.blogspot.com/2008/07/guyana-set-of-dotish-afro-guyanese.html

    click the keyword dotish on this Indian’s blog and see the image he attaches the word to. A group of young black kids

  • Ruel Daniels // July 27, 2008 at 6:04 PM

    Disgusted give me a break. Some Indians have been discriminatiiong against blacks from the time they first came to Guyana. Some Indian merchants have one price for blacks and another for Indians.

    The PNC did not start racial politics. Why should they, blacks are the minority, so they had nothing to gain from racial polls. The PPP started racial politics. This ignorant illogical reasoning you bring here should have been left under the bottom house where it was constructed

  • Ruel Daniels // July 27, 2008 at 6:10 PM

    The PPP started the politics of apaan jaat. The first person to die in racial violence was a blackman who was killed by a group of triumpant Indians after the PPP won the first elections back in the day. Eusi Kwayanna wrote about this. Indians always point to the fact that Kwayanna condemned criminals hiding and operating out of Buxton, but they do not attach the same level of credibility when he writes about political violence in Guyana. Here is a letter Kwayanna recently wrote to the Stabroeknews:

    Dear Editor,

    The phrase ‘elected dictatorship’ was used in relation to the government’s veto of 39 EU micro-funded projects, not their ‘delay’Dear Editor,

    I am responding to the issue of an elected dictatorship, in which it seems Mr Dev and a person whose name I do not know were in some exchanges. I have seen Mr Dev’s column ‘Elected dictatorship’ in Kaieteur News (July 13) e-mailed to me by a friend.

    At once I want to say that I used the phrase “elected dictatorship,” but not over “government’s delay in approving 39 EU funded projects,” as Mr Dev puts it. I understood that there was a veto of the 39 and used the term “elected dictatorship” in relation to that. People do not have to say “no comment at this time” if all they are doing is ‘delaying’ approval. It was in Parliament, when pressed by MP Williams, that the Minister for micro-projects made the answer that may be seen as saying that there was a delay. Other MPs should have pinned the Minister down. Everything, even this argument, has a history.

    I spent years in the ’70s in the WPA trying to explain to human rights organizations and also to the PPP leadership that we were experiencing a dictatorship. The PPP leadership would only go as far as ‘semi-dictatorship.’ At the highest level they argued that there was no blood in the streets, no this, no that – therefore it was a semi-dictatorship. They then conceded a “creeping” dictatorship. I had to produce a document listing rights that had been lost since 1964. A copy exists somewhere.

    At the time of that argument the PPP had not yet accepted the idea of a parliamentary dictatorship. When a Canadian statesman suggested the phrase to him in relation to Guyana the General Secretary, Dr Cheddi Jagan, began to toy with the description. There have, then, been disagreements about these matters. For some people, an anti-imperialist stand and relations with certain countries, with their ‘friends,’ blinded them to the importance of what people suffered. For others, a government governed mainly at home.

    I really do not care what others call the PPP, really, if we can agree on its behaviour. Experience in Guyana is a textbook for me and I do not go first to other textbooks to be informed or tutored about that particular subject, not in the past and not now. Of course I read the scholars who are excellent at what they do. I understand Mr Dev’s position, I hope. From his location it is a reasonable one.

    In fact I convinced others that the PNC was in government a dictatorship on the very ground that it could not be removed by an election. To test this, I argued with civic organisations that there should be an independent study of our electoral laws to see whether a fair election was possible under them. After some years the GHRA agreed to request such an investigation. The alert Mr Burnham did not allow the members of the probe team to come to Guyana, and a number of us, political and civic, travelled to Trinidad and Tobago to be interviewed by them. The first executive President passed away, and I completed the work of demonstrating through the courts, against the pleadings of the government law geniuses, that our electoral administration offended the constitution. Mr BE Gibson was one of the few to see my point. I stumbled on this by reading the fine print of gazetted materials. The PPP in its 28 years in opposition had not done so, simply because they and their lawyers used the UK as an electoral model and missed the differences.

    Now the issue is posed in a different setting. There is a government resulting from freely counted votes, even allowing for the unnecessary cheating. There is also that extra seat which the PPP enjoys, apparently with the consent of its fellows in parliament.

    My proposal on this issue did not cut ice.

    Mr Dev allows, “The PPP has been guilty of acting in an authoritarian or dictatorial manner on occasion” and advises caution: “but this is a far cry from asserting that there is a dictatorship in place here and now while there are no restraints on voting the rascals out of office.” He also correctly points to the fact of a written constitution which the courts are authorized to uphold, although most plaintiffs would normally (and unfairly) have to be able to afford competent counsel.

    Here we enter on tricky land. Mr Dev is slipping into an arithmetical definition of dictatorship. To follow him I must ask where do we find the number of “occasions” allowed a government for authoritarian or dictatorial acts before it becomes a dictatorship. Clearly there is no authority on this, not in our constitution.

    If we are to speak of the written constitution as amended, then we have to say that it is not a moody document. Parliament can be adjourned and prorogued, dissolved, but the constitution cannot be put on recess at will.

    Then there is the much forgotten oath of office. Those who take this oath are not undertaking to uphold the constitution when it suits their mood or their agendas. The oath does not go on holiday during the tenure of office.

    Now, to go to another arithmetical mystery; we do not know how many “authoritarian or dictatorial” acts are hidden and do not come to light. Mr O’Lall’s interview with Mr Frederick Kissoon was most revealing. When we thought that Mr Gibson’s long activity at the bar had sufficiently warned governments against that kind of behaviour, there goes the axe against one of the fold. And all we get from his cowardly fellow members after his passing is, “He was a good comrade.”

    Then there was torture, ordered from above, because it is so much protected from above. The prearrangements of this torture of the two young men from Buxton, as a start, it seems, were sinister and irresponsible in a multi-ethnic society. It seemed all of a piece with the torture of the treason accused under the previous regime.

    But Mr Dev has made me go where I had not intended to go at this moment. Now I shall have to develop this evaluation.

    It seems to me more rational to form, not rashly, but to form an opinion of the quality of governance rather than be guided by the number or frequency of its known violations. Here I go off on one of my senior, but useful, tangents. The political occupation seems to enjoy wide licence for its offences and more apology than others. Here is a public official or a company finance officer. This person steals a hundred thousand or double that amount, but does so “only” once a year, when the school fees of the offspring become due.

    Can we say that this officer is otherwise quite an honest officer? Or take a husband who abuses a younger relative living with the family, but only does so on occasion, say when he drinks. The taxi-driver is a known daredevil, but carries overload and speeds “only” on his first two and last two trips.

    We hear of “zero tolerance” of all these offences but not the political.

    Mr Dev seems to be inviting me to give an opinion whether the post-elections violence starting in 2001 by what I prefer to call certain supporters of the cause of an opposition party has helped the PPP to secure its base. This is like asking whether heavy rainfall leaves the earth wet.

    I can speak at first hand, since the behaviour of PPP supporters documented by me was one of the factors causing me to make every possible allowance for the Kabaka until he had had, like his rival, his seven years. I found later that Brother Moses Bhagwan independently applied a similar seven-year formula.

    I have not seen the exchanges between him and the other person he described in his July 13 column. I note his fear that calling the PPP an “elected dictatorship” might serve to justify the 2001 long-lasting post-electoral violence. It is a pity that any recent analysis if true, should be avoided for that reason. To me, nothing can justify that development, then, or now.

    Since I do not have a column, I must merely note the discussion on the tyranny of the majority and on lack of “restraint” on voters from removing, say, the present ruling party. There is much to be said on both.

    The ‘tyranny of the majority’ in almost all cases of its use can blame innocent people within the majority. In the Rodney days, when the fear of gunfire was much confined, we placed special responsibilities on community majorities to protect minorities. Using the phrase on a national scale, as Mr Dev and the scholarly tradition do, is tempting, but unfair to many assumed to be part of that majority. We are on much more solid ground applying it to the known persons making up the Parliament, that is the National Assembly and the President. Here we find, not democracy, but a tyranny over the majority of the National Assembly, or the assembly as a whole.

    The President has a reputation for failing to give assent to, or “signing” bills passed by the National Asssembly. In 2006 there were about ten of them.

    They included the Labour Amendment Bill 2006, Holiday with Pay Amendment Bill 2006, Employment of Young Persons and Children Amendment Bill 2006, Consumer Protection Bill 2006, etc. I cannot say whether that formed part of the all-party petition to Caricom.

    If the President does not sign such bills within the time fixed he is bound to give reasons to the National Assembly. Some court may tell us some day that these are not “mandatory.”

    Yours faithfully,

    Yours faithfully,
    Eusi Kwayana

  • Ruel Daniels // July 27, 2008 at 6:17 PM

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    quote
    I can speak at first hand, since the behaviour of PPP supporters documented by me was one of the factors causing me to make every possible allowance for the Kabaka until he had had, like his rival, his seven years. I found later that Brother Moses Bhagwan independently applied a similar seven-year formula.
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    This is a reference to the triumpalistic attitudes of PPP supporters after that first election I referenced. What MR Kwayanna is saying, is the he gave Burnham seven years grace after the PNC came into power because of such attitudes and behaviour. Indians wedded to the PPP seek to revise history and reality by blaming blacks for racism.

    Tell me about any majority Indian society where a large amount of blacks can go and live in and find equality. For 28 years while Burnham was in power not one pro black organization was formed, neither was one pro black national holiday declared. Examine the difference under the PPP. All you need to do is to examine these things to see who are more motivated by race and ethnicity in their behaviours.

  • Ruel Daniels // July 27, 2008 at 6:20 PM

    Here is Freddie Kissoon’s column for today:

    Freddie Kissoon Column

    Oh, the things this government gets away with!

    If there is any ruler turning in his grave, it is Forbes Burnham. Reaching out from his mausoleum in the Botanic Gardens, Burnham asks his perpetual question: Why did you guys fight me down?

    Look what a baby party I was in comparison to what the Guyana Government is at the moment.

    If there is any opposition leader that is turning in his grave, it is Walter Rodney. From his wrongful burial place in Le Repentir Cemetery, Walter shakes his head in sempiternal anger and cries out loudly at what has replaced the man whose rule he helped to weaken. That man was Forbes Burnham.

    Walter Rodneys soul is tormented by the shadow of Arnold Rampersaud. Rampersaud was found not guilty at his third trial after two indecisive jury verdicts.

    On the third occasion, a predominantly African jury acquitted Rampersaud. The decisive intervention was the personality, charisma and national influence of Walter Rodney.

    If there is anything I will forever remember about Walter Rodney were his words about Rampersaud directed to the African people of Guyana.

    In many ways, Barack Obama has the semantic flair of Walter Rodney. Speaking at a public meeting in Georgetown, Walter appealed to African Guyanese not to hang Rampersaud.

    He told his listeners that Burnham was using African Guyanese to kill a man just because he was East Indian. Then the part that moved me emotionally and will forever live in my soul came.

    It was when Walter said that Burnhams attempt to use an African jury to hang an East Indian was an insult to African Guyanese who are a proud people who should never let their dignity be so tarnished.

    Shortly after that magnificent speech, perhaps the best ever made at a political meeting in this country, the jury returned a not guilty verdict.

    Rampersaud was driven out of the courtyard, onto Robb Street and then taken to Freedom House. It was at that trial I came to know the great Maurice Bishop who flew in from Grenada to join the defence team.

    Rampersaud got refugee status in Canada. He is in his seventies now but he owes the morality and integrity of this nation a huge obligation.

    He ought to acknowledge that Mark Benschop was wrongfully imprisoned. Rampersaud spent two years in remand before his trial. Benschop spent five.

    Rampersaud should show his moral obligation to Oliver Hinckson by joining the chorus for bail. Surely Rampersaud must see the thing that he has in common with Benschop and Hinckson.

    If Rampersaud is reading this, I hope he fulfills his duty to this country. I cannot discuss the Hinckson trial on this page because it is sub judice.

    Suffice it to say that not only the PNC but the AFC, the GHRA and other organisations do not think Mr. Hinckson should have been charged.

    So what do Forbes Burnham and Walter Rodney have in common? They are both turning in their graves at the political atrophy that has smothered this territory; for different reasons, of course.

    Burnham wants to know what the fuss was all about on how he ruled Guyana when the PPP is more shameless than him.

    Walter Rodney lives in anguish on the failure of his heroic efforts, for which he gave his life to make Guyana a more humane and democratic country. These two men cannot believe what they are seeing in their beloved Guyana today.

    The things that this government gets away with, Burnham would not have allowed and Rodney would have struggled against. A company gets prodigious concessions that were outside the law.

    The particular legislation is being amended and will apply retroactively to benefit the said business entity.

    A magistrate shoots a policeman and the society hears nothing further after one month. The police have an accused in the massacre of eight miners and no one knows who he is or where he is.

    A prisoner was reportedly beaten to death by members of the army or prison service and no explanation is given to the people of Guyana.

    A hotel is being built in Kingston and the name of the investor(s) is deliberately withheld from the public.

    A man is charged with fraud involving maybe hundreds of millions of dollars and a junior policewoman is the prosecutor. A request by two lawyers to prosecute pro bono has not met with an answer from the DPP.

    A magistrate grants bail to a citizen who is not the type to abscond but the Attorney-General applies for a suspension of that decision from a judge and obtains it.

    One daily newspaper was victimized for two years. Another daily runs a front page comment complaining to the Guyanese people that it senses victimization for exposing one of Guyanas most perverted financial scandals. These are just the tip of the iceberg.

  • DOCTOR GUYANA // July 27, 2008 at 6:22 PM

    Stop this racial hatred of people, stop it at once! Ruel, please get your facts right, Providence blog is not an East Indian, please stop this foolishness. I repeat Providence Blog is not an East Indian, or are not East Indians. There are other people in Guyana besides East Indians. Stop the hate and so on. Stop! and let the love of Jesus Christ prevail for your fellow Guyanese. Racism is a killer, so stop.

  • Ruel Daniels // July 27, 2008 at 6:33 PM

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    This visible in their everyday life but there is still this racist slang used by the PNC which it uses to get it’s votes but with the PPP gaining 54% votes indians don’t make up 54% of the population many africans also voted for them.
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    This is the kind of idiotic reasoning they put out here believeing that we are stupid like they wer taught. Let’s examine it. Lets say that Guyana had ten people eligible to vote, and six voted. Let’s say the PPP got four of those votes, winning thus %60 plus of the votes cast. Can that prove that it is a multi racial party or that the overwhelming majority of people who voted for that party were not Indians.

    This is a microcosmic example of the results of the last elections. What it demonstrates is how devious and deceitful the arguments presented in favour of the PPP are.

    That the presenter feels comfortable advancing them on a board like this is evidence of either a poor intellect, or faith in a cultural stereotype that since this is a Barbadian Blog and Barbadians are mostly black people, the people he or she is likely to find here will be of poor intellect. They cannot mask their deceit and prejudice.

  • Ruel Daniels // July 27, 2008 at 6:36 PM

    So why does the blog have that statment about dotish African Guyanese and point you to a group of young black people. You defend the blog wihout making reference to that, Why?

  • Ruel Daniels // July 27, 2008 at 6:50 PM

    The caption reads “another set of dotish African Guyanese”. Dotish is a link, and when clicked it takes you to an article about a tragic accident at Land of Canaan in which five kids from an African Guyanese extended family were killed.

    Note how Doctor Guyana completely ignored this but stridently accused me of being racist. And that is the central problem in Guyana today. Like I said, racism has been re-defined to describe any pointing out, or drawing to, overt or covert racist behaviour against blacks in Guyana.

    Why don’t you challenge those who control that blog to stop that kind of insensitive intolerance?

  • Jay // July 27, 2008 at 7:08 PM

    @ Guyana man,

    Your writing style reminds me of Negroman somewhat.

    I don’t agree with your comments surrounding Caricom & Barbados being responsible for Guyana’s failures,but some of the latter statements seem to be quite honest & ‘real’. I look forward to hearing more on this subject from you specifically pertaining to the conditions in Guyana.

    @ David,That is good to know & explains some of the comments.Here in the United States ANYONE knows that immigration policies have been strictly enforced in the last 2-3 years & any “Comprehensive Immigration policy” including amnesty has been thwarted twice in ‘06 & ‘07. .The immigration prospects also do not look good after the elections,hence why Barbados might look like a a good third ticket.Heck,even the U.K. & Canada have introduced ‘managed migration’ policies so only to attract the best & brightest,why not Barbados ?

    It makes me wonder if because of the main OECD countries are tightening their immigration laws & some people are self-deporting if by an odd chance it is not back to their countries of origin but to other smaller lesser known destinations that might not create too much of a hassle like say,Barbados ?
    ——————-
    Micheal Belle said :

    2) Barbados will be a way station to those places by some Caricom nationals/islanders who will simply be seeking a Bajan passport and the visa-free mobility it guarantees. In other words they will stick around, get residence and coitizenship and then transfer to Toronto etc. Barbados is just not rich enough to retain ambitious Indians.

    —————————-

    Thank you for proving my past point.The recent EPA deal allowed Barbados,The Bahamas & Antigua to get visa free status to Europe[has to be further ratified by the Eu Parliament & EU countries"] AKA the dreaded Schengen visa.It is the toughest visa to get by today’s standards.We would basically lose that if ANY AMNESTY was given.Don’t believe it would happen ? Why do think the UK warned Trinidad about their illegal immigration problem & are now turning away most Guyanese because the U.K perceived it as a threat & would have forced T&T citizens to get a visa.

    It takes at least 5 years to get permanent residency in Barbados & if you have Commonwealth status I believe it takes 7 years for Citizenship as enshrined by the Constitution.The time period could allow a LOT of people to accumulate in the country BEFORE being given “Barbados Citizenship” & then moving on.

    The problem with Barbados right now is that some of Barbados’ old immigration laws are enshrined around the old Commonwealth system & to make matters worse is in the Constitution of Barbados,hence why I think the DLP is being very careful how they handle this.

  • DOCTOR GUYANA // July 27, 2008 at 7:26 PM

    Ruel, wait a second! I know about the Land of Canaan accident where the children were killed in the car accident. Ruel that blog is not owned by East Indians, trust me, and I am not going up against those people that own that blog. You can try that side those types, but I am not. You must think I want to catch my death before my time. You all try. They are not East Indian, not Black, or Amerindian or Chinese, so go figure.

  • DOCTOR GUYANA // July 27, 2008 at 7:36 PM

    Ruel, look I was there when Cheddi and Janet won the first election and no black man was killed. It was a joyous time in BG. Yes the PPP is multi racial, for it has many mutlti racial Guyanese in it, and yes anything over 51 % is a majority. I say no power sharing, just more confusion, the system will work itself out and come back exactly to where it was in the beginning, and with that I say, We Hail thee Guyana Land of our birth! Now what did Cheddi say as he was leaving his beloved Guyana alive for the last time, Don’t worry, everything will be fine. So relax and enjoy, and please don’t banter to the emotions of these good Barbadians.

  • insight // July 27, 2008 at 8:07 PM

    Just for your info:

    I do not know the full story about Suriname and how they manage to have relative peace with all those different races living there. This is what a Surinamese told me:

    we have a number of races …h he rattled of at least eight who live there… none are over 30% so no race has control. He also said that each racial entity has protection within the constitution… this ensures that no race can take over the government and rule as if they are the only ones that matter.

    Guyana could learn a lot from their neighbour. Winning a bare majority and ruling like you have 100% support and discriminating in governance will surely ensure conflict. I can assure “doctor Guyana” that he is living in a fools pardise…. stopping critical comment and lulling black peple to sleep with the crumbs will not lat for long… The PPP is in a time warp and will never learn.

    Indians in Guyana accept proportional representation but not proportional government. They want the whole cake and that is why there are probems there until they understand… if ever!

  • henry // July 27, 2008 at 8:13 PM

    Those illegals just need to
    go ! (ASAP)
    Even the USA is chucking the bad apples & illegals out ! – 3000 of them this year as of
    july 20th 2008. the Top deported were from

    haiti
    jamaica
    trinidad

    Guess who came in 4th?

    Caribbean Deportees Top 3000 Mark For 2008

    http://www.caribbeanworldnews.com/middle_top_news_detail.php?mid=1100

    Guyana’s Reintegration programme to target some 300 deportees in first year.

    http://www.stabroeknews.com/news/reintegration-programme-to-target-some-300-deportees-in-first-year/

    if You’re here illegally? You need to get
    deported or be detained until they can deport you.

    When you are too kind or lax with immigration policy, people will always take advantage.

    some of the Africans who “REFUSED” to surrender to immigration authorities three months ago are now behind bars at Dodds.
    (bravo!) & May more join them!
    http://www.nationnews.com/story/294774297502410.php

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 8:18 PM

    Bajans, next time you see a Guyanese, ask him about Yohance Douglas. Here was a university black student whose only crime was that he was black and in a vehicle. The savageness of his execution, done by the former minister of home affairs goons rival those in Iraq.

    Don’t forget, that the present home affairs minister and the commissioner of police had their visas revoked because the embassy claim that they benefited from the drug trade.

    This preset govt in Guyana is a failed narco state .

  • David // July 27, 2008 at 8:32 PM

    @Guyanese Commenters

    We think the BU family has gotten the picture i.e. the concerns and fears of Barbadians have been supported after reading the many comments offered from both sides of this issue. Now the part we want to discuss are the solutions. If we agree that immigration is a fact of life how can we manage our environment to learn from the Guyana experience? The rhetoric and vitriol does not add value at all.

  • GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 8:51 PM

    I know I may come off as a pessimist, but the only solution to your problem David,is to help us Guyanese foster a democratic culture. I know for a fact that your leaders in Barbados don’t have the testicular fortitude to implement any immigration reform that would minimize the Guyanese presence in Barbados. If you don’t help us to help ourselves,then our refugee crisis will always affect you and you soon will loose your country.

    Pressure your leader to pressure the racist communist fascist Bharrat Blow Job Jagdeo to have an inclusive govt and promote inclusive policies. If not,we will always be at your door, not at your mercy,but you at ours in your own land.

    Peace!!!!

  • J // July 27, 2008 at 9:19 PM

    The truth is that both black and Indian Guyanese hate each other.

    This hate prevents Guyana from going forward.

    I believe that Barbadians are good enough that we can compete with any people anywhere in the world. Yes indeed we can compete ver, very effectively with both black and Indo Guyanese.

    There is no reason to believe that Barbados will become more like Guana.

    There is every reason to believe that Guyanese immigrants to Barbados both black and Indo will become more like Barbadians.

    I for one am not afraid of competition from anybody. I know that I am good (maybe best).

    ANd of course that will be a good thing

    Because Barbadien society is a better and more workable society than Guyana.

    The Guyanes both black and Indo have a lot to learn from Barbados.

  • J // July 27, 2008 at 9:45 PM

    Dear Henry:

    I trust that you realize that the Barbados government is in breech of the Barbados constitution by imprisoning those Africans at Dodds without charge and without trial.

    And if the Barbados government abuses the constitution today to detain the Africans without charge and without trial I trust that you understand that once a government starts to act outside of the Consitution then the government feels empowered to continue doing so.

    Dear Henry:

    I trust that when the Barbados government starts to abuse your constitutional rights that someone will be out here to speak up for you.

    You should not be congratualting the Barbados government for acting unlawfully.

    You should be calling on the government to always show leadership by ALWAYS acting within the law.

    When the government disobeys the law, what is to stop criminals from doing so too?

    The Barbados government must lead by example.

    I was extremely worried when a senior immigration official said that they -the Africans- are going to be kept in a “safe place.” Dodds is not a “safe place” Dodds is a PRISON. The same official went on to say that they Africans would not be charged. This official may be ignorant, but our Attorney General the official’s boss has been expensively educated with our tax dollars and he is certainly not ignorant.

    Do you realize that this means that the Barbados government is imprisoning people without charge and without trial? Are you comfortale with this? And whey your turn comes to be imprisoned without charge or trial will you be comfortable with that also?

    And I say again as I said several months ago. I do not see Immigration making any special effort to detain illegal immigrants from the U.K, the U.S. , Canada, Germany and Sweden without charge and without trial? Is is perhaps that the U.S., the U.K., Canada, Germany and Sweden would strongly object to having their nationals imprisoned without charge and without trial?

    Is the Barbados government doing this to the Africans only because they know that they can get away with it?

    And who will be next?

    Me?

    You?

    Your son?

    My daughter?

  • Warrior // July 27, 2008 at 10:57 PM

    A picture is equivalent to 1000 words. Why doesn’t some blogger, take some pics of the hangout spots of the guyanese and post them on the blogs so that we get a good eye view of what we are really dealing with.

    I think the pictures would say it all, cause when we are in our air-contidioned cars with the windows up and we are dining at Sandy Lane and Coral Reef we really don’t know what is actually happening in this little 2×3 island.

  • J // July 28, 2008 at 1:01 AM

    Dear Warrior:

    I pass through Fairchild Street bus stand everyday, every single day. No air conditioned car for me, no meals at Sandy Lane nor Colony Club either.

    What I see are lonely Guyanese men trying to cope with their lonliness by drinking copious amounts of rum, beer and stout.

    The shareholders, of Banks, Guiness, and Mount Gay must be happy enough.

    But there are equal or greater numbers of rum beer and stout drinking Bajan men there.

    And none of the Bajan men seem anxious to go home to their wives and children.

    The Guyanese men are here without wives or children so of course they are lonely. And lonely men tend to drink. or do other foolishness. It isn’t a Guyanese thing only. It is a suffering human thing.

    What I wonder is keeping the Bajan men there? getting drunk, smoking, gambling and talking nonsense? Why don’t they go home to their wives and children?

    My own brother a good rural Christian working class Bajan migrated to England in 1960. He was 21. Many years later he told me that in his first year or two there he was so desperately lonely that he went to the only English prostitute in town who in 1960 England was willing to service black men. The line of her Lonely (new) Londoners customers went around the block. He told me that at the time that so many customers had gone before him that he almost “slipped off the deck”. Maybe Warrior one of the whore’s other customers was you, or your daddy, or your brother, or your uncle or your grandfather. My brother is now 69, happily married to one woman for 38 years and father of wonderful well brought up adults. New immigrants in their lonliness sometimes do what they would not otherwise do.

    Lonliness is a hell of a thing.

    I am all for managed migration because well managed migration will encourage migration by families and not migration by lonely single men and women.

    It is time that all countries including ours stopped looking at migrants as so many units of cheap labour and to see migrants for the human beings that they are.

    Desperately lonely HUMAN beings.

  • J // July 28, 2008 at 1:14 AM

    And Warrior poor people tend to drink in public. I hope that you don’t think that poor people should be penalized for drinking (in public) when rich people who drink in clubs and hotels are not so penalized.

    If we are so anxious topenalize heavy drinking (which does indeed cause great social, medical and economic harm) how come we have not yet been able to have proper anti drinking and driving legislation on the books. Most other have had such legislation on the books for more than 40 years, but still we dither, and this dithering is both a DLP and a BLP thing. And still we permit our mostly young men to go out drinking and to driving and to kill and main themselves and others.

    Dear Warrior:

    We gotta tek de beam outta we own eye first before we attempt to take the mope out of the eyes of others.

  • J // July 28, 2008 at 1:23 AM

    And when we get anti drinking and driving legislation on the books to enforce the law.

    Enforce the law when the drunk driver is a politician.

    Enforce the law when the drunk driver is a policeman.

    Enforce the law when the drunk driver is a priest.

    Enforce the law when the drunk driver is a lawyer.

    Enforce the law when the drunk driver is a judge.

    Enforce the law when the drunk driver went to Caw’mere wid we.

    Enforce the law when the drunk driver is in the same lodge as we.

    Enforce the law when the drunk driver is we own son, or we own daughter.

    Enforce the law when the drink driver goes to the same church as we do.

    Enforce the law the drunk driver went to primary school wid we.

    Enforce the law when the drunk driver does play cricket wid we on Saturdays.

    Otherwise we mekking bare sport.

  • Chuckles // July 28, 2008 at 6:51 AM

    Dear J

    Add to your list ‘Drivers high on marijuana and cocaine”. You can easily identify the imbiber because he is on Fairchild Street among friends drinking and chatting. You will have a hard time finding the puffers and snorters who don’t need company to take their drugs. Wow!! you might have to enforce the law against the law-makers.

  • Negroman // July 28, 2008 at 8:53 AM

    J, I do not always agree with many of your comments.I think we should be able to agree to disagree.However,on this occassion I must concur with you on the position of the Africans being lock up indefinitely with out being charge.The government acted in a very highhanded manner with the African issue earlier this year.The action of the government was reprehensible to say the least.I am very piss off with the governemnt handling of that issue.I agree with you that if it was some North American,Canadian,or European national those people would have put up at the Hilton or some other posh hotel and every one of their needs would have be taken care of with urgency.The case with Africans that is another story.As a result of that incidence I being a member and supporter of the DLP have started looking at the this DLP governemnt in a difference light.I am accustomed attending emancipations day activities for a very long time,however I will not be attending this year activities because I do not want to hear our Prime Minister David Thompson & DLP talk about anything African or black.I do not believe in deciet or hyprocrisy and this governemnt in its short period in office is going down that road.
    On the issue at hand this issue is being intellectualise and Negroman cannot handle that.All I am seeing are too many indo guyanese and non-nationals in Barbados and I want them out especially the indo -guyanese.I am not concern with figures statistics and the like.
    TOO MANY INDO-GUYANESE ARE IN BARBADOS GET THEM OUT.

  • Reaganomics // July 28, 2008 at 9:09 AM

    @ Negroman

    Eventhough Reaganomics dont agree wid ya, Reaganomics too like ya. U is de only body who dont hide behind theories and fanciful words. U position was clear from day one and u sticking to u guns (no pun intended). Ya does mek me laff out loundly each and every time.
    But ya know, de ting we fear de most in life we does gotta confront.
    Wha u wid do if one o u children dated an indo-guyanese?
    Oh lord!
    Or supposed one o u children win a scholarship and study overseas and marry another race?
    U mussee would gotta conuption!

  • JC // July 28, 2008 at 9:28 AM

    To answer your question David, the first thing that should be done is for one to know how many illegal persons are in Barbados. Secondly, round them up and send them back.

    Let them go through the correct channels, and we would then choose who will be beneficial to our country!

    The Canadian farm program is very sucessful; and one does not find persons on a regular basis running from their job or bringing over their entire family. Therefore, this government can learn from that country’s policy.

  • Mintue Mouse // July 28, 2008 at 9:42 AM

    SEND ALL OF THEM HOME THEM WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY CONFUSION,
    IF THEY ARE THE LAND WITH SIX RIVERS OR WATER OR WHAT EVER LET THEM LIVE THERE ,NOT BOUT HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

  • henry // July 28, 2008 at 10:04 AM

    I’m not a bleeding heart, nor do I don’t take 6 for 9.
    I will always put My Family’s well-being FIRST!

    There’s a legal & illegal way of doing things
    and conning good people and habitually bucking the rules as a way of life.!

    The ones here legally are fine.

    If they want to reside here, they need to go through the PROPER
    channels & get a CRIMINAL background check & clearance FIRST!
    It’s the least that they can do !

    The Africans who were imprisoned had a chance to go home
    the legal way without penalty, they chose to “thumb their noses at the Government’s offer ” to be repatriated
    to chose to abscond – If Ghana can imprison Frank E. Duncan ( a ringleader) upon his
    return to Ghana, from Barbados for fraud & bilking his countrymen out of money?

    “CEO dupes Barbados returnees”
    http://www.thestatesmanonline.com/pages/news_detail.php?section=1&newsid=6376

    then Bim can imprison the conniving remaining Africans – who CHOSE to break the local laws, by remaining here by choice illegally!

    If Ghana can kick thousands of Liberian refugees out of It’s country around the same time they wanted to play the ” stranded tourist with bugs on their beds situation” with Bim up in the media…

    then what’s good for ” goose is good for the gander.”
    [April 2008]

    “Ghana court decides Liberian refugees should go back home ”
    http://en.afrik.com/article13370.html

    The problem that I have with illegal immigrants, is that some of them are criminals & here to do things illegally- they don’t have good intentions.
    It’s Why they don’t wish to use to proper channels & methods to immigrate.

    Some could be wanted for criminal charges back in their homeland!
    Some could be rapist or murderers, gangmembers while they are not being monitored or tracked in Barbados system – leaving innocent families
    at risk of being scammed or Worse.!

    The Protection of My Family, My 84 year old Mother and My Children from CRIME or exploitation- overrules the interests of ALL of the illegal who are not being monitored, because they are here illegally
    in Barbados today.

    as for dodds?

    Chances are We will again, be paying their way
    back home to Africa, taking money from our own children’s mouths – because they refused to go back with their group, when they had the chance to dos so without penalty.

    They Chose to break the law. There are consequences for breaking laws. If Dodds happens to be apart of that? So be it.
    They are thumbing their noses at our system.

    At least they are not in China.
    They’d have to do time, work it off & pay their OWN way home.

    “Agonizing Ghanaians in China Cry for Help”
    few weeks after the Government of Ghana spent thousands of dollars to airlift so-called stranded Ghanaian tourists from Trinidad and Tobago, another set of Ghanaians, this time in far away China is calling on government to save them from Chinese detention camps.
    “I wish to send this information from China to you concerning the rampant arrests and detention of Ghanaian citizens in China”, Mike Adom, one of the stranded Ghanaians in China alleged in an email to Public Agenda on May 27.”In one of the cities in China here called Guangzhou there are a lot of Ghanaians in prison just because of over staying.

    http://allafrica.com/stories/200806021249.html

    some of the Ghanaian people are still making a big running joke out of
    Barbados about the “stranded farce” & how we ( the Bajan citizenss)
    were made to pay for their repatriation! When some in their own country
    could care less & were on to the tourist immigration scam.

    July 18th article, Humphrey reveals Akuffo-Addo’s Incompetence
    dealing with “stranded tourist”

    http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=147012

  • henry // July 28, 2008 at 10:52 AM

    a different island Bermuda and a reverse Ghanaian scam.
    The Tour Agency left them high & dry at Gatwick after they paid for their tour to
    Ghana.

    Some leopards don’t change their spots
    duping and trying to give you six
    - exploiting, playing on your
    intelligence & sympathy while telling you, “it’s nineMy Caribbean Brother”!

    it seems that When the shoe is on the other foot, it’s hard to get them to pay up, return the courtesy showed
    to them while “stranded” abroad.

    it’s not all, but it’s a great many…

    It’s why background checks are necessary
    to surmise character & intent
    for illegals and those you wish to
    business with in another countries
    especially the Tours.

    It’s called being Preventative!

    Ghana fraud ruins woman’s reputation

    a tour organiser has been left $87,000 out of pocket after a Ghanian business partner took her money and left her party of 20 stranded in London, leaving her to pick up the tab.

    http://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d87e3330030003&sectionId=60

  • JC // July 28, 2008 at 12:03 PM

    Focus: Birmingham riotsThe new colour of British racismBehind the riots lies vicious hostility between the Asian and African-Caribbean communities in Birmingham, reports crime correspondent Mark Townsend
    The Observer, Sunday October 30 2005 Maybe his compassion was exhausted, but the reality suggests that Makaveli had always disliked black people. Either way, within hours of arriving from Pakistan after helping survivors of the Asian earthquake, he was brawling with African-Caribbeans on the streets of Birmingham. It felt natural; all his friends agreed with him that these people were the lowest form of humanity.
    ‘They come in our shops, but can’t stop stealing something. Niggers can’t help it, they have a dirty gene. They are the lowest of the low,’ hissed Makaveli. The 26-year-old spat furiously at the pavement and nodded east along Lozells Road, beyond the huddle of Asian-owned shops, to where the Rastafarians sometimes gathered.

    Inside Simply Veg, a group stood beside huge spears of sugarcane, papaya and jars of Ethiopian myrrh. The mood was tense, the talk of slavery, oppression, of a black community without hope. But their stories suddenly sounded different. Their oppressors were no longer solely white. Now they felt subjugated by another race; the Asians.

    ‘We’ve had centuries of slavery. Now the Asians want to take over here,’ said Rob, a Jamaican, slamming the grocery counter. ‘Black people need a break, but things are getting bad.’ Outside, across the bustling Lozells Road, down into the red-bricked terracing of the local estates, lies a reminder of what bad can actually mean. On the doorstep of 59 Carlyle Road, lilies and carnations smother a plastic sheet weighed down with bricks.

    Here, 23-year-old Isiah Young-Sam was stabbed to death during last Saturday’s race riots as he wandered home; the yellow petals are a dark pointer to the new reality of race crime in Britain. The worst riots to afflict Britain’s second city for 20 years challenge the most fundamental assumption of multicultural Britain – that racism is principally a white vice. Almost 40 years after Enoch Powell talked of ‘rivers of blood’ just two miles from where Young-Sam was murdered, a community has broken down. Powell’s inflammatory rhetoric warned that immigration would inspire strife, but few predicted that the immigrants would turn on each other.

    Only a few experts had observed that the scramble for the scant resources of Britain’s deprived inner cities was a catalyst for conflict between competing communities. For the vast majority, particularly the government, racism remained a strictly black and white issue. Even the Commission for Racial Equality has failed to research the issue of inter-ethnic racism. For its part, the Home Office is accused of ignoring repeated warnings of conflict between black and Asian communities from its most senior strategist into race relations.

    Marian Fitzgerald, now a criminologist at the University of Kent, identified the fracture lines that led to last weekend’s clashes, not just in Birmingham, but throughout the UK. The rioting around Lozells Road, which left two dead in more than 200 separate violent incidents, followed a single, still unsubstantiated, rumour that 18 Asian men had gang-raped a 14-year-old black girl in a beauty parlour.

    The allegation may have been the catalyst, but in Lozells Road they had been predicting a bloody night for years. Thirteen months ago a message that appeared on a black website warned that ‘Birmingham’s Asian and ethnic African are becoming increasingly polarised’. The author felt Asians were becoming ‘more aggressive’ and that the ‘daily spiritual, and sometimes physical, face-offs’ between the two communities had left ‘indelible scars on the soul’. Violence, the emailer concluded, was inevitable. For years Lozells had been hailed as a vibrant example of the melting pot that defines urban Britain. Yet for many who lived in the tight terracing north of Birmingham’s bright new centre, the area had become a racial tinderbox.

    As with most previous riots, the tension had its roots in the trivial. For the black community of north Birmingham it was the manner in which Asian shopkeepers handed back their change. Already smarting over the fact that most local businesses had been snapped up by Asian entrepreneurs, a common complaint among African-Caribbeans was the treatment by shopkeepers.

    ‘They throw the change at us as if we’re lower-class citizens’. Rob raised his left arm above his head and flung a 10p into his right palm. ‘Like that. They won’t even touch us.’

    Those beside him in Simply Veg nodded. To the Asian community, such complaints are mired in envy. ‘We can work 16-hour days. We pay tax. We own the shops. They’re jealous,’ Makaveli said.

    That the everyday rituals of capitalism became such a source of discontent is apt; experts agree that the rioting stemmed from the economics of inequality. For decades, the African-Caribbean community watched as the Asian community bettered itself. Of the 50 or so stores on Lozells Road, 90 per cent are Asian-owned. But the competition runs deeper. Amid the deprivation of Lozells, the two communities scrap for dwindling government support in housing, jobs and community projects. Asian shopkeepers rarely employ blacks; similarly, the few African storeowners can wait days for the next Pakistani patron.

    In response, the African-Caribbean community of Lozells is calling for a total boycott of Asian shops. Dani arrived in Birmingham from Jamaica in 1960. He remembers when he had Asian friends. ‘They became millionaires, we became beggars,’ the 65-year-old said wearily.

    That community elders are encouraging tension is no surprise to those monitoring the situation. Frank Reeves, of Race Equality West Midlands, describes a meeting between community leaders last week that was riven by self-interest rather than reconciliation. A cycle of rumour, bigotry and suspicion has intensified in the wake of the riots. For every story of a black schoolboy beaten by 20 Asians there is one such as that from Makaveli’s best friend, Abdul, whose brother was killed two years ago; caught in the crossfire of a shoot-out between black gangs in the nearby streets.

    So endemic is gangland culture that when several doctors from the nearest hospital were required for front-line medical duty during the Iraq war, they already possessed the skills required for treating gunshot wounds.

    Further violence appears a question of when, not if. ‘I get the impression people are getting tooled up,’ Reeves admits. The police presence suggests as much. Around 600 police a day have been drafted in to keep order on the maze of streets around Lozells Road. Recent website postings earmark Eid, the Asian festival this Friday that signals the end of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, as a flashpoint.

    One entrant on a black power website reads: ‘Pakistanis are marked for death. The blacks have had enough of Pakistanis running things up there.’ The bigotry is never exclusive. One Asian site glorifies the alleged rape: ‘Big up the Pakis dat tapped the nigger bitch in Brumland. We had the upper hand on them ever since the abolishment of slavery.’

    Even now, it is unclear where the rape allegation originated from. Suggestions that it was concocted by the black community are unconfirmed. What is certain is that the rumour was perfect for a riot; a poisonous Chinese whisper that gained horror and currency with every repeat. Reeves describes the allegation as a ‘textbook classic’ and that it was no accident it centred around a shop run by Asians selling black beauty products.

    The supposed victim was an illegal immigrant who will not come forward, a detail that also tapped into African-Caribbeans disquiet over immigration laws. ‘The British took us as slaves to the Caribbean and now they won’t even let us in,’ said Paul, 40.

    Similarly, the allegation seemed to corroborate a long-standing suspicion among the black community that Asian men gang-rape their women. ‘They have been raping black girls for centuries,’ said Maxine Goldman, 28. ‘They make them wear hijabs, wrapping them up to their eyeballs.’

    Despite a police investigation finding no evidence of the rape, the black community is adamant it is true. In turn, the Asian community believes the ‘rape’ was conceived as an excuse to attack their shops.

    Whatever proves true, half the community is complaining that its traditional voice – pirate radio – is being persecuted. DJ Warren G made the mistake of broadcasting the rape allegations he had heard in a barber’s shop. The price would be personal – within days his former schoolfriend Young-Sam was dead – and professional as police continue to investigate claims that his repeating of a rumour was incitement to disorder.

    But little may change; the 1985 riots in Handsworth proved that. The people of Lozells agree that the carnations of Carlyle Road will not be the last.
    ———————————————————–

    This is for all those who think that I am crazy, racist and xenophobic.

    The Media is not doing their job at all!

    This is a story from one of the leading Newspapers in England.

  • Negroman // July 28, 2008 at 12:26 PM

    I am teaching my child certain values that I believed in and I would say he is similar to his father.I am not telling him to hate other races but to know that the black race is despise and hated by all the othe races.That is a fact that cannot be disputed.I let my child know that I want black grand children.I do not want any mix up half caste that do not know if he is white,black,chinese,indian or whatever.
    I stated before and I will say it again I believe in the purity of the races.The black race is the only race that do not want its offspring to look like them.Mixing the races is wrong.It is challenging god.God created each and every race with its own peculiar characteristics. Negroman does not want any mixed race children or Grand children.If my son ever had to marry outside of his race I will write him out of the inheritance and I will not recognise his children.I am one strong proud black man of African stock and I want my grand children to be like wise.I do not want any mixed race children.
    I am fearful that the way we are going with all the other ethnic groups comming into Barbados and inter breeding and producing mixed race babies.Those children are going to be in a unfortunate position because they do not have any identifiable race to link with.
    Iwant to see real black people in Barbados no mixed race.

  • GuyanaMan // July 28, 2008 at 12:56 PM

    Guyana is a staging ground for illegals all over the world trying to get into other countries. They can easily,like one two get a Guyana passport,supplied by the crooked corrupt government official and into Barbados they are tomorrow.

    Living next to Guyana is like living next to Mexico as the US finds itself. And with all the manpower the US have Mexicans are still coming in there.

    You think about little Barbados with only 166 miles what would happen when this is full invasion mode.

  • JC // July 28, 2008 at 1:11 PM

    It has started people; black people are not going to put up with this shit anymore.

    It is unfair for persons to come and think that they run things! They never come an socialise they always come to conquor.

    This story sounds familiar. Remember the Guyanese are claiming that we BAJANS are jealous of them! Therefore that gives them the right to come here and take over LOL!

    Minister McClean DO YOUR JOB MAM!

    We in trouble, SERIOUS TROUBLE!

    Scout warned us history warned us and now this excerpt from the Guardian newspaper has warned us!

    I have taught my children that NO ONE is better than them and they are BLACK!

    My children should not have to fight for equality in Barbados MY BLASTED FOREPARENTS earned and gave them that right!

    These people have decided that bajans are stupid and we should walk away from every thing that is OURS!

    Well ehhhhh wrong answer!

  • Anonymous // July 28, 2008 at 1:47 PM

    My goodness JC

    I knew of the Birmingham riots but I had not read that piece.

    That article in the U.K. Observer newspaper is so true – it is chilling.

    Already we are seeing it here in those indian stores in Swan street and how they treat blacks – in particular working class blacks – where one indian storeowner even pushed a black, bajan girl out of his store some time back.

    Also on this blog or BFP many months ago a blogger wrote about how an indian store owner made insulting remarks to his young afro bajan female sales clerk in the bloggers presence – and she the blogger was also was black – but the indian man could not cared less.She of course walked out.

    How many other black bajans would do the same and not only walk out – but don’t patronise these indian stores.

    What is happening in birmingham will be replicated in barbados unless mr thompson intervenes now.

    Otherwise the royal barbados police force will not have enough police men and women.

    Margaret Knight please speak to your son for us.

    Consider also, the sterotype the indians have of the black,note how the article says the indians would not offer employment to the blacks,neither would they patronise the black shops.

    Yet obviously the blacks continued to go into the indian shops becuase that is the only way the blacks were able to recieve the treatment they did from the indian storeowners – that is throwing the change at the black customers.

    As negroman said earlier a lot of people come on this site and try to intellectualise this very serious and dangerous situation we are facing – and talk rubbish about benefits of immigration,or even human rights.

    They now even got BU sounding real cautious and careful about how they say what.At least however, BU has been consistent in saying that the impact of other ethnic groups coming into barbados must be taken in to very careful consideration.

    JC,if you can perhaps you can email this article to david ellis at VOB and Jewel Forde at CBC,also email the article to Barbados Free Press(BFP).

    That report is frightening.

    Thanks very much JC.

    I hope you noted what was happening on this blog all yesterday.

    On another point,reading articles on Fiji I came across this senate speech in October 2001 where:

    A senator who chaired the Fijian constitutional review committee “accused the immigrant races(ie indians) of undermining the fijian identity through legal means and the manipulation of the constitution.”

    The senator claimed that multi-cultarilism clashed with the cultural realities of the country.

    Another senator Tava described the coup which occurred in 2000 ( the year before) – of being a blessing in disguise and accused indians of ‘rejecting indigenous identity’.

    There are some black outside but white inside house negroes who no matter how much you try to alert them to the dangers of this influx of other ethnic gropus – will continue to pontificate and throw out nonsensical arguments – in the misguided notion that they is how a ‘world citizen should behave and sound’.

    Lord help us.

  • Negroman // July 28, 2008 at 1:48 PM

    What in my comments need moderation.I am only expressing my opinons on a subject matter.I have not called anyone’s name or maligned anyone.Are you sending me a message that I should not continue to make a contribution.Let Negroman know the position

  • Anonymous // July 28, 2008 at 1:55 PM

    Check for my article too BU.

  • Global Voices Online » Barbados, Guyana: Guyanese Immigrants Shot // July 28, 2008 at 2:17 PM

    [...] of two immigrants in Barbados, Living Guyana believes that Guyanese are being targeted, while Barbados Underground posts a statement from the Guyana Consul, which dismisses the notion that the “apparent [...]

  • Reaganomics // July 28, 2008 at 2:48 PM

    @ Negroman

    Please continue to make your contributions. They’re frank and honest.
    Reaganomics actually finds them very telling. U have the guts 2 say what many others think.
    However, Reaganomics does not support your position.

  • JC // July 28, 2008 at 2:54 PM

    We as a people need to be more unified. I would like some help in finding a reknowned qualified BLACK ENT Specialist to take my son too.

    Can any fellow blogger help me to find a suitable person. I use to always go to an Indian ENT, since he was very good.

    But you want to know what; since I have decided to educate myself, I have realised that these people dont like us AT ALL!

    And I am not paying a RED CENT to anyone who dont like me and my kind!

    Mr. Faria check ya self!

  • JC // July 28, 2008 at 3:02 PM

    Imagine had not for us black people where would these Indians be; I WILL NEVER BUY NOTHING FROM AN INDIAN STORE EVER AGAIN!

    Thanks Anon, they think that they dealing with stupid persons ha ha ha!

    I gine show them how ignorant I can get on with my money!

    Think that when they buy a goat or some sh*** from you that they save a whole nation! Want to come on this site and tell us a whole heap of BS and think it worth something!

    We are waking up that is the newsflash if you all INDIANS think that you all can talk doown to us think again!

    Not a cent a mine! I will make sure that I Email this information to everyone I know so that they can see how much you hate us!

  • Negroman // July 28, 2008 at 3:06 PM

    Reganomics honestly I did not really wanted to respond to you.I put you on ignore.However,I must give in.Thanks for the encouaraging words.I will continue to make my contributions.What I write is what I believe in.I speak from my heart.I have no problem with you not agreeing with me.We could agree to disagree.
    I state my position on this issue and it will not change.
    Reganomics you talked about multiculturism and to replace hate with love .I want you to read JC’s comments on the riots in Birmingham and make a response.

  • Anonymous // July 28, 2008 at 3:20 PM

    JC

    Black ENT specialist

    1)Dr Vincent Clarke – 6th ave belleville -
    TEL – 4275362

    2) Dr Marquis Dowell -1st ave worthing
    Tel – 436 -9368

    Excellent choices.

  • JC // July 28, 2008 at 3:30 PM

    Thanks a million!

  • Anonymous // July 28, 2008 at 3:33 PM

    JC

    Another black ENT Doctor

    Dr christopher Maynard – 9th ave cnr George st

    Tel # 429 – 5618

    JC

    I don’t go to any indian doctor,any indian professional,and on very few occasions have I patronised an indian store when I absolutely couldn’t help it.

    However they on a total band right now.

    I put my money where my mouth is.

  • Anonymous // July 28, 2008 at 3:34 PM

    JC queried “I would like some help in finding a reknowned qualified BLACK ENT Specialist to take my son too.”

    I can recommend 3 excellent ENT specialists:

    Dr J Marquis Dowell
    Dr Chris Maynard
    Dr Vincent Clarke

    Check the phone book for contact info.

  • Negroman // July 28, 2008 at 5:02 PM

    Anonymous that the way to go my brother.Follow Negroman and boycott indians businessess.While we are at it boycott chinese businesses too.What happened and is happening to our unfortunate black brothers & sisters in Birmingham,England will happen to us in the not to distance future if we do not minimize the numbers & economic & financial might that the indian group is amassing in Barbaos.We must utilise our might which is our numbers.Fellow black brothers & sister do not only use our might only at election time to change from one clown party to the next clown party but use it to send the correct message to our business leaders in Barbados respect us or we will withdraw our support.The financial & economic viability of the whites,indians & chinese are in the hands of us blacks.Without us they cannot survive in black Barbados.We must always remeber this.
    Let start the ball rolling by boycotting indian & chinese businessess.Do like Negroman seek out black businesses and make your purchases.
    The anti-blacks,token blacks and all black people what happened to those black in Birmingham,England it could happen to any one of us.They do not discriminate base on social status,educational capabilities,financial situation and the like .Once you are of African stock they will discriminate against you.
    BLACK PEOPLE WAKE UP LET TAKE OUR PLACE IN THIS WORLD.NO RACE IS SUPERIOR TO OUR

  • Michael Belle // July 28, 2008 at 6:05 PM

    Anon:

    Where were you hiding yesterday evening ? I hope you took my words to heart. You guys should realise one thing. Nothing you are saying today was not said by our African ancestors when Indians started coming to Guyana.

    Immigration is difficult to stop.

    Reaganomics. I sent you an e mail . Never got a reply.

    Remember Tom Adams. I know the Indian girl that was managing him up to his death. When the Indians came back in power in 1992 she ran back to Guyana and got a work with the same racist government ruling the country now. She used to work for CANA.

    Look up “Thomas Carroll” on the internet. He was in charge of giving visas at the US embassy in GT. The Indians soon were managing him. He was giving them visas and they were giving him girls and money. The Feds had to jail him. It was during his time that most Indians entered the USA.

    If Tom could have been managed we don’t know who is really running immigration in Barbados today. May God have mercy on your souls.

  • Michael Belle // July 28, 2008 at 6:09 PM

    Check “Thomas Carroll in Guyana” to get the full news

  • PATRIOTIC GUYANESE // July 28, 2008 at 7:03 PM

    There are Intelligent and not so intelligent people who blog. Then there are the dunces and stooges.
    Many Bajans have written utterly nonsensical Racial tirades against Guyanese with such Hate and venom, that any decent minded person reading their blogs, might deduce that “little dot Barbados” might be the forbidden Isle!
    On the other hand, some Guyanese have blogged their party, racial hatreds here and thus literally ” hung their dirty linen in the public!”
    There are those in the Private Media who are there just to oppose Government in Guyana, whether it is a deed done good or bad,t hey just oppose.
    The agenda of most of the Private media here in Guyana, is to oppose the government and to create such a hysteria, that an innocent person reading some of the “Private” newspapers in Guyana would believe that Guyana is becoming like “Iraq!”
    This is a far cry from the truth.
    In the entire world, violence is on the upsurge.
    The western media, with its open-ness is also contributiing to this sipral in violence by creating such scenarios in the minds of the General Viewers, that people would most certainly take sides in every situation, whether it is the “Israeli/Palestine” issue, the Bosnian/Serbian, India/Pakistan, Tamil Tigers/Sri Lankan Government, Huttu /Tutsi, Mugabe/His opposition, Hilary Clinton/Obama issues, etc. etc.
    This a natural Human reaction.
    However when certain people reach extremes and incite hatred ,violence and anarchy, things would certainly get out of hand and most of the time, the innocent people will lose their lives, properties or livelihood!
    Economies would be lost or destroyed.
    Cultures would be at risk, would certainly change and the populace would be traumatised.
    Guyana is not different and the present Government is certainly doing a better job than the past government of the PNC.
    This definitely does not mean that another Party or group of people would not emerge who would do better than the PP or the PNC or the AFC.
    The AFC is a sad case. It is made of of the left- overs and rejectes from the PPP or the PNC.
    The most important factor inGuyana is that we have SIX distinct races.
    East Indian, people of African origin, Portuguese, Chinese, Amerindian and a few (other) European.
    The npresent generation , unlike the Burnhamites or the Jaganites, do not give much importance to race.
    It is a phenomenon of the past.
    It seems as thouch you in Barbado have more of a hysteria with Race than we Guyanese. Thisis why Indo Guyanese have reached there , simply for Economic reasons. Not because “little dot Barbados” is better than Guyana. Certainly not!
    Guyanese are ingenious in the sense that they live abroad and send remittances to build a better life in Guyana when they eventually return.
    However some people from the old regimes are bent of spreading fear and violence. So you see the upsurge inViolence and business and businessmen being attacked daily, simply to rob them and to create a state of panic and hysteria.
    Guyanese would certainly rather go to the USA, Canda or the UK rather than go to any other islands in the West Indies.
    Imagine Guyana is so big that we have not even occupied quarter of the country as yet.
    Tek half , leave half!

  • David // July 28, 2008 at 7:23 PM

    The blogs attract the good and bad those intelligent must pick some sense from it all. What the comments on this blog reflect is the several positions which people hold whether we agree are not.

    We read an artcile in the Advocate today penned by a Nicholas Cox whose accused BU as being racist and xenophobic, really sad. We read his article twice and had to shake our head in sadness. The article was devoid of any analytical thinking. Cox elected to write about the virtuous concept of integration, immigration and CSME which we all agree. Where he was woeful was in identifying the barriers and the lack of structures which continue to undermine the vision.

  • PATRIOTIC GUYANESE // July 28, 2008 at 7:32 PM

    @ Negroman.
    The late Julius Nyerere of tanzania and his socialist government were unable to control the prowess of the “Indian Elite Entrepreneurs” from the Hindus, Khojas, Bohras and Ismailis ( the latter all Muslims) communities.
    This might be news to you, but Nyrere tried to contain them and their business prowess by passing a law known as the “Arusha Declaration”, thereby nationalizing their businesses to the extent that he nationalised their houses (LOL)
    If you go to Dares Salaam, Tanga, Morogoro, Arusha or any small town in Tanzania, you would see a big green “patch ” on such buildings which were owned by Indians.
    You will find written in “Kiswahili” = “Nyumba Shirika la Taifa ya Tanzania”
    Literally put= it means houses belonging to the National housing authorities of Tanzania!
    At that time, there was a huge Indian population but after the “Declaration of Arusha” they migrated in droves to the U.K. in particular and to Canada.
    Most of them are doing well in these countries but Tanzania suffered tremendously economically.
    The Tanzanian shillingi is not worth a bit.
    The same thing happened to Uganda when dictator Idi Amin tried to get rid of the Indians and the economy collapsed.
    They literally begged the Indians to return.
    In Barbados, you have some elite “Indian Businessmens” who are either “Bohras” , Gujrati or in some cases Sindhi and these people are unlike Guyanese East Indians.
    They even look down their noses to Guyanese East Indians or Trinidad Indians.
    You should visit Africa.
    Go to Burundi or Rwanda and see how Huttus and Tutsis treat each other with hatred.
    Read the news and see what happened to Zimbabweans in South Africa.
    They are all “blackmen”.
    Hatred breeds hatred.
    There is no end to the cycle.
    Change your attidudes and save your little “Puny Nyuni Barbados” before ” climate change” brings the flood and you would rush to Guyana for a piece of land.
    By the way Dean Barrow is looking for land in Guyana for Bajans to farm.
    We would welcome you in Essequibo, Demerara or Berbice to farm.
    We have lots of land and a huge heart to share with Bajans and other West Indians.
    Guyanese will survivie. We always have! Whether Afro or Indian.
    The racial tensions only come to fore during the elections or if the opposition want to force the government to do something their way.
    Salama na Kwa Heri!
    Mpaka ya kuonana!

  • HA // July 28, 2008 at 7:43 PM

    So Patriotic Guyanese, youa re saying it is better to suffer Indian racism, than the economic void that would be left if racist indians were to leave? Good thinking.

  • JC // July 28, 2008 at 8:45 PM

    Ha, I couldnt have said it better!

  • Anonymous // July 28, 2008 at 9:16 PM

    Jagdeo PPP regime in guyana has sent out their P.R. persons to paint this lovely – ‘we are all one family’ pie in the sky nonsense.

  • PATRIOTIC GUYANESE // July 28, 2008 at 9:33 PM

    @HA
    You whine so much!
    Our people in Africa are killing, slaughter each other because of their tribal differences, which might seem as merely minor differences to us.
    Tribes, dialects, cutoms, traditions etc. mean a lot to Africans.
    When Gahnians from the Ashanti or Fante tribes ( whom we glorify in Guyana and the broader West Indies) come to our countries, they speak in their own dialects and they look down upon us in disdain!
    They refer to the Afro Carribean people as “sons of slaves” and treat us as their subjects and they our master.
    You want more racism??
    The White man knew what he had to do.
    Divide and rule.
    It is still happening.
    Until and unless people of African descent identify their weaknesses and improve their lives, laying the blame on another people will continue and our hate never ends.
    In the USA and Canada it is the White man who is at fault for our weaknesses, our failures.
    In Guyana it is the Indian.
    we should consider that the Amerindians are the original people of Guyana, yet they have been sidlined by the previous regime of Burnham.
    This present government has recognised their rights and they have Amerindian Ministers in the govenrment and Amerindian in all walks of life in Guyana now.
    We should give everyone a fair chance and let the law govern us all.
    It will guarantee peace and prosperity for all.
    One of the greatest weakness of the African in the diaspora is that the White man gave the Black man his pagan religion, which he himself has long ago deserted BUT the Black man is hoping for white Jesus to deliver him.
    Keep on hoping.
    We have to come to task with stark realities before we lose whatever sense of reasoning we have left.
    Improve our educations and skills and Indians will respect us for that!
    Salaam nyingi na kwa heri mpka ya kuonana!!

  • PATRIOTIC GUYANESE // July 28, 2008 at 9:46 PM

    There was a time in Guyana if you were found with one potato you were sent to jail.
    We had no wheaten flour and had to eat “rice flour” and ” cassava flour”. Our black people got “white mouth” and a host of diseases.
    The Indians survived, got their peas (dholl), potatoes and flour from Suriname and Venezuela.
    Nobody in the West Indies came to our help.
    Burnham was the Kabaka, remember .
    He literally punished the Black people.
    If anyone was found with a single US dollar. He was jailed.
    Times have changed.
    We must come together and forge a union with intelligent people and rule our countires wisely to survive the onslaught of the Europeans.
    Grow more food I say and the good lord will provide.
    Mwenyezi Mungu awe nasi.
    Salaam na kwa heri mpaka baadaye!

  • J // July 28, 2008 at 9:47 PM

    Dear Michael Belle:

    You are talking nonsense about “Indians managing Thomas Caroll” as though Thomas Carroll was a mindless puppet.

    Nobody was “managing” Thomas.

    The problem was not the Indians.

    The problem was that Thomas was not managing himself.

    Thomas committed fraud and was fired and imprisoned.

    Nobody “managed” him into fraud.

    Thomas’ own greed led him into committing multiple acts of fraud.

    You are talking racist nonsense. You are talking as though Indians are all powerful and the rest of us are mindless puppets.

    Most of us past the age of adolesence may be offered a bribe or see an opportunity to commit fraud. Most of us recognize dishonesty when we see it. Some of us choose the dishonest route. Some of us choose the straight and narrow. But NOBODY can cause us to commit fraud against our will. You do have a will of your own, don’t you Michael?

    Or are you a mindless puppet?

    You may be but I most certainly am not.

  • Negro man // July 28, 2008 at 9:49 PM

    Patriotic Guyanese you cannot lecture me on African history.I know more African history than you will ever know.You are pathetic.
    I just witness a scene in Bridgetown where two Indo-Guyanese men were fighting and the police arrested both of them and hassled them off to Coleridge Street.I felt so happy.Hopefully two less Indo-Guyanese to worry about.Many bloggers mentioned the horrible behavior of Indo-Guyanese and Guyanese in general after the consumption of alcohol.That atrocious behavior is being bought over here in Barbados by those nuisances.
    I forgot to mentioned I had some talk with some parliamentarians recently.After that talk I am concern that the government is not really committed to this immigration issue.One parliamentarian asked if Barbadians are having problems with Indo-Guyanese in Barbados.I had to asked him where he is living.I had to asked him if this is not an issue that was a hot topic for the last 5 years or so.He had the gall to asked me if Indo-Guyanese are impacting on Barbadians lives.I was shocked.I told him that there are construction sites hiring only Indo-Guyanese and not local blacks or Caribbean blacks.
    These are the type of clowns we have as parliamentarians today.I think we need to get back to grassroot community leaders such as Hamilton Lashley to be our leaders.Hammie La knows our pain because he comes from among us.Those middle class snobs who live in their enclaves and never had to struggle a day ,never knew about a pit toilet,never knew how it feels like waking in the morning with no breakfast and nothing for the children to eat will never know our pain.We have those idiots as our leaders. N o wonder they are divorce from the harsh realities that affecting thousands of black Barbadians daily.I am sick and tired of those sort of people representing my interest.I am talking about the likes of Mia Mottley,Richard Sealy,David Thompson,Kerry symmonds,Dale Marshall,Esther Byer-Suckoo and the lot.They do not understand the plight and sufferation thousands of black Barbadians go through every day.I know it because I live it previously and my heart go out to the rest who did not had the opportunity to improve their lot.
    Indo-Guyanese and other immigrants from the Caribbean and elsewhere are taking away jobs from us and our politicians are unaware.What the hell we put you all jokers there for.
    David Thompson & DLP government it appears that this government is pandering to the big financiers of the party.That is the whites,Indians,& Chinese.Remember that group only make up a small percentage of the population of Barbados.Them CANNOT win you an election and make you a Prime Minister.It is we the thousands of black Barbadians that you will have to depend on for your job as Prime Minister.
    ACT ON THIS IMMIGRATION ISSUE OR ELSE WE WILL GET RID OF YOU

  • J // July 28, 2008 at 9:57 PM

    Dear Michael:

    Your stupid argument reminds me of those stupid people who claim that a young girl’s short or tight dress “causes” men to committ sexual offenses. Or the stupid Jewish/Christian/ Muslim argument that Eve “caused” Adam to eat the forbidded fruit and to sin.

    Nonsensical statements.

    If the young girl’s dress is short or tight, then cross the street and walk on the other side.

    If Eve offered Adam the forbidden fruit. Adam was under no obligation to accept. He could have said “no thanks”

    It is time that we all grow up and accept responsibiity for our own sin, instead of saying, “Eve made me do it” “the young girl made me do it” or even “the Devil made me do it”

    Grow up Michael.

    Nodoby can “manage” you into crime or sin.

    We all sin of our own free will.

    Many of us commit crime of our own free will.

    Bribery requires an offer.

    And bribery requires an acceptance.

    And the offer and aceptance CANNOT come from the same person.

    It takes 2.

  • J // July 28, 2008 at 10:16 PM

    Dear Negroman:

    “the horrible behavior of Indo-Guyanese and Guyanese in general after the consumption of alcohol.That atrocious behavior is being bought over here in Barbados by those nuisances.”

    The statement in quotes is yours not mine.

    And it is a LIE so say that drunken bad behaviour is being brought to Barbados by Guyanese Indians.

    Dear Negroman:

    I do not know in which sheltered enclave you grew up or in which sheltered enclave you are now living .

    In fact I am pretty certain that you are not Bajan and that you do not live in Barbados.

    But in the working class 100% Bajan community in which I was born in the 1950’s public drunkeness was commonplace, especially on weekends.

    There was the father of many children, who always took off all of his clothes when he was drunk and staggered about stark naked in front of the Sunday school children. His mother was black and his daddy was a white plantation owner.

    There was at least one man who killed another in a drunken argument.

    There were the husbands who publicly cursed and beat their wives and children.

    There were the men who assaulted each other with knives.

    There was the man who sat down drunk on the shop step on the Saturday night and never woke up.

    There were the men sho tried to feel-up (sexually assault) the women and adolesent girls when they went to the shop to buy groceries.

    None of this was good.

    But none of it is new either.

    Don’ blame the Guyanese Indians for importing drunken mis-behaviour.

    We Bajans have always known how to be publicly drunk and disorderly.

    Unfortunately we did not need anyone to teach us drunken mis-behaviour.

    And I my village was just an ordinary rural working class Bajan village in the 1950’s and onwards.

  • Reaganomics // July 28, 2008 at 10:33 PM

    @ J

    U only have to analzye de folk songs of Bdos and your points will be underscored.

    “Everytime uh pass yuh pull @ me (bis)
    Uh goin’ tell mih mama dont send me down hey”

    Translation: An older man assaulting a younger girl.

    “John gih cow water, John gih de cow mash, be4 de cow could holler, John gih de cow wupsee wupsee bang bang.

    TRANSLATION: Some believe that John foop de cow (LMAO) but we not sure if John was black, white or mixed. It’s hardly ulike that John was indian.

    Reaganomics just thought to lighten up the debate a bit.

  • PATRIOTIC GUYANESE // July 28, 2008 at 10:36 PM

    Negroman:=
    Wish me away as pathetic but as the elderly Akan people say, if the snake is infront of you and is about to strike you, should you close your eyes , pretending it is not there anymore, with the hope that it would not attack, does not in reality mean that it would not strike you!!
    It certainly will strike you and you would have to wake up to reality.
    You should read more “Anancy stories”.
    They all originated from Ghanian folklore.
    Salama na kwa heri mpka baadaye!

  • GuyanaMan // July 28, 2008 at 11:13 PM

    The PPP racist will run Barbados in a few years. Soon they will bring in their big drug money that they cannot do nothing with In Guyana and the US and buy your hotels and don’t even hire you. Then they will start running for government and team up with Guyana,like when Panday send droves of trini indians to vote in Guyana elections.

    Barbados is gone,and I have to say it again and again. No use crying over spilt milk,is best u beg for some concession.

    Go to Guyana and see how many hotels built with drug money is literally empty every day and every night. Yes,these people were so pathetic they build all these massive hotels without any tourism plan.

    But I’m glad I migrated and would not be heading that side anyway soon. All intelligent blacks are either pawns or they are shot dead. If you ever get a chance ask Waddel,Shaka Blair,Yohance..etc.

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  • Reaganomics // July 28, 2008 at 11:23 PM

    @ GuyanaMan

    Your tactics are not working. Please let Bajans discuss their own affairs and stay out of it.
    Reaganomics regrets to reach this point of frustration but your reverse psychology is blatant and it’s not working.

  • Negro man // July 28, 2008 at 11:24 PM

    J
    I am a born & breed bajan.Mother bajan,father bajan,Grand parents bajans.I know about drunkedness in the villages.I grew in a village with many rum shops.I do not live in any enclave.I came from a very poor poverty stricken background.As I mentioned I know how to suffer,I know about deprivation,I know about hunger,I know about middle class snobbery,I know about being scorn.I went through the horn pipe.Do not come telling me that I am not a bajan.How dare you.I do not tell lies and I will never never come on the blogs and tell lies.I have more ethics than that.
    I never said that indo-guyanese bought disorderly behavior to Barbados.That would had preposterous of me.Drunkedness and disorderly behavior happen all over the world including Barbados.I was trying to make the point that immigrants some illegal would take their wild behavior everywhere including Barbadians when Barbadians go overseas for vacation,shop or business.I am not saying that it is unique to indo-guyanese.However,what I do know is indo-guyanese in particular when they are under the influence of alcohol will do some of the most horrible things.Recently in Guyana two indians brothers were drinking together.They got into argument and one brother killed the other one with a lash from a piece of board across his face.On another occassion friends were drinking together an argument ensued and one friend killed the other.Those things happened in Guyana on a regular basis among all guyanese particular indo-guyanese.J tell me how many Barbadians fight and killed one another when they are drunk.
    J do you want the sub-culture and the violence associated with drunkedness exhibited by particular indo-guyanese to be a part Barbados .
    Why is it that when the ills and short comings of other races are highlighted we have Barbadians especially black Barbadians always coming to the defence of those individuals and when we are ridiculed,cursed,abused and ill treatment is meted out tom us we do not have anyone to run to our defence .As a matter of fact black people usually find excuses to justify the treatment meted out to us.
    The house n—– is still within many of us.
    J Indo-Guyanese have nothing good in their hearts for black people.Observe the happenings in Guyana & Trinidad & talk to black Guyanese.

  • Michael Belle // July 29, 2008 at 12:48 AM

    J

    Looks to me like the Indians already got your mind Bro. You have got to realise that the scenario being discussed here is so ridiculous that a little exaggeration and joke will naturally come of it.

    I know Carroll was a greedy and corrupt and legally responsible for his own deds. Do you take me for a moron ?

    But there is a grain of truth in this. Do you think that Carroll would have fallen to an Afro group? Afros bribe less.

  • Yardbroom // July 29, 2008 at 4:06 AM

    We are in danger of allowing an important debate about our country’s future; to be side tracked into an abyss of knock about personal experiences, of the most lewd kind.

    Individuals with a personal agenda, have sought to engage commenters on this thread with “silly mind games” and a few of us have fallen victim. A trenchant factual analysis of what has happened, is happening, and will happen in the future, based on experiences world wide is required.

    Allow history to speak for itself.

    This does not prevent strident comment to express sincerely held views, but the future of Barbados – and its people – which concerns most Barbadians, cannot be properly addressed if we do not stay focused. May I suggest, do not engage with those whose only purpose is to spread discord and play psychological games, they have arrived – been shipped in – with that agenda in mind.

    Allow them to have a conversation with themselves – no reaction to invented stories and racist innuendo – while we concentrate on FACTS and the evidence that has accumulated over time as a result of those”FACTS.”

  • David // July 29, 2008 at 5:19 AM

    We have to agree with Yardbroom. Some commenters need to stay focussed on what it is we are trying to highlight and tone down the vitriol. The outside is looking in and your comments are being interpreted to represent what BU is about. Sadly over the last couple of days the comments have deteriorated. If it continues we will do what we have to do. If Barbadians profess to have benefited from good education then let us make the late Errol Barrow proud.

  • Anonymous // July 29, 2008 at 5:58 AM

    David

    I have to confess I don’t get the point you are making.

    Yardbroom has expressed the view that some persons have come on this site with mind games and try to throw the discussion off track.

    I can agree with that because we can see who they are – doctor guyana/patriotic guyana,michael belle,guyana man etc.

    You have now stated that some commenters ‘need to tone down the vitriol – that the ouside is looking and their comments are interepreted to represnt what BU is about’.

    Who are these commenters David?

    I think it is only fair that you identify who you mean so that all of us are clear and don’t run the risk of being painted with the same brush.

    To my mind the outside is not only looking in – the outside has come in on this site in the presence of some of those mentioned above.

    What they have done is not new – from sister baby to miss guyana,to satyendra and many others – they come on here – initially engage in the discussion – and then try to derail the discussion with red herring arguments.

    It is my belief that since this site is viewed as one of the serious sites with serious and intelligent discussion – I believe just as you warned negroman about his comments some time back – you should have intervened and spoken to to these guyanese”bloggers” a long time before now and should have put a halt to where this discussion has gone.

    Anyone coming on this site for the first time – (let’s say a minister of government) – would have seen this article and then after reading some intelligent discussion would suddenly come up on a whole barrage of stupidness – and would easily be turned off and not continue reading some of the truly helpful contributions like that of JC’s yesterday – with the info on indian/african racial conflict in Britain.

    Maybe they may then leave with a less favourably opinion of the site and those who contribute.

    I fear that if strong action is not taken against behaviour of this kind soon and as often as it appears – then we the bloggers who contribute and those silent majority who read the blogs will
    be pushed off and turned off by having to confront tons of this.

  • Veronica // July 29, 2008 at 6:19 AM

    I am quite surprised with the contents of most of the comments.
    Faria said nothing against Bajans, he dismissed the shootings as being hate related.
    He mentioned xenophobia and said that Bajans are still tolerant to immigrants.

    Those of you who bears no knowledge of Guyana’s history should refrain from mentioning so-called racial crimes against Afro-Guyanese. Racial acts (rape, lost of lives, lost of properties) that were committed against Indo-Guyanese largely in the sixties and throughout most of PNC rule, I assume from these comments are acceptable. Indo-Guyanese are famous for fighting & killing each other, not for committing crimes against other races.

    Guyana has always been a joke among Caribbean nations, because they are divided against themselves. Freedom of speech, which is given to the nation by the present regime, is something the nation knows not how to use, anything the media can interpret to suit their own agenda, whether it is the truth or not is of no consequences as long as it portrays the present regime in a negative way. This sells and it keeps folks from concentrating on what is really happening in the country.
    No one with any common sense can say the present regime in Guyana is not striving to improve the countries situation. If the regime is anti Afro why did it offer land to Barbados for agricultural purposes?

    Do not allow yourself to be dragged into the race hate scheme especially by Guyanese who really and truly don’t have a sense of identity.

  • David // July 29, 2008 at 6:50 AM

    @Anonymous

    You are entitled to your opinion. Over the few days with the Guyanese entering the debate some unfortunate comments have been expressed but embedded in some of the discussion is a conversation the BU household has never heard before i.e. the drivers behind the racial tensions in Guyana.

    Bare with us!

  • Tony Hall // July 29, 2008 at 6:54 AM

    This is the response I got from Randolph Persaud as a result of an email I sent to him expressing my concerns of him bashing Barbadians:-

    Dear Mr. Hall: Thank you for you correspondence about my article on the situation with Guyanese immigrants in Barbados.

    I would like to let you know that I have always admired Barbados and wonderful people of that country.

    It was not easy for me to write the article. At the same time, I am deeply concerned about anti-immigrant bashing, not only in Barbados, but all over the world.

    Over the past decade I have written for justice for Africans and generally for Third World countries.

    I have asked students to study the Bajan example of development, as I think it is worth emulating.

    The great thing about Barbados is that it has always pushed extremism to the side.

    The concerns I expressed are verifiable. Please read the entries on I understand that a radio station in Barbados is also a venue for these types of extremist opinions.

    I will write an article calling on Guyanese to be lawful and respectful of Barbados and its people.

    Bajans, like yourself, should encourage fellow citizens not to go down the path of extremism. That would tarnish the image of Barbados much more than an article or two from someone in Washington DC.

    I respect the fact that you wrote to me about your concerns, and I hope we can both be voices for positive change.

    Sincerely
    Randy

    Randolph B. Persaud, Ph.D
    Associate Professor of International Relations &
    Director of Comparative and Regional Studies
    School of International Service
    American University
    4400 Massachusetts Ave. N.W.
    Washington, D.C. 20016-8071

    Phone 202-885-1757
    Fax: 202-8852494

  • Anonymous // July 29, 2008 at 7:11 AM

    Tony hall

    You note the tone of that letter from randy persaud how different it is from the lies in the letter he propogated throughout the guyanese press,on caribbean net news and others?

    He is running sacred now you see,afraid he is going to lose his little pick in the USA..

    His response to you is private – intended to be read only by you – however his dissemination of lies about barbadians enagaging in hate crimes was very public, and was a deliberate attempt to smear Barbados good name abroad.

    He and that creature annalee davis with that joke film.

    Time longer than twine however.

    Adrian Hinds wil be dealing with this persaud joker up there in the states.

    Basdeo Jagdeo and the whole racist indian clan like one so called veronica who for all you know might be the same doctor guyana and patriotic guyana and the others – coming on here spouting their crap about how nice jagdeo is – and there is no racial conflict between indians and africans -

    Yeah right.

    Go to hell out of hear all of you – we’re tired of your propoganda,tricks and lies – and most of us if not all will be ignoring the likes of you so.

  • JC // July 29, 2008 at 9:37 AM

    I am so sorry that these persons are trying to railroad BAJANS.

    We need proper managed migration policies.

    Bajans DO feel threatened and they have all reasons too.

    Imagine, we the people of Barbados saw and realised that no one cared about us and we decided that we would make a change. I dont know, but when people are in opposition they say the sweetest things to get in and then POOF!
    Every thing that they promised seems to have disappeared.

    I remember listening to Chris sinkya and crew say that this immigration problem was a burning issuue amongst bajans that they will deal with this problem. However, it is now July 29, 2008 and nothing has been done.

    I am going to speak from my heart.

    We do not feel wanted DLP;

    DLP you all need to sit down and see what were some of the burning issues within Barbados; dont worry much about the other Caribbean Countries worry about US! We need to feel special. We have been treated with such disrespect and disdain for approximately 8 years and we are sick and tired of this treatment. If you do not listen, you see this patriotism that you are getting from us bajans; it will not last, no one likes to feel left out and if a whole nation feels this way. I am telling you DLPites total chaos will occur.

    I as a proud bajan would never like to see my BARBADOS be IN total chaos (and that is how it feels right now)

    Please hurry and forge ahead with proper migration policies I am tired of persons claiming to know the solutions and yet telling us how doomed we are PLEASE give us a break. We are BAJANS! We never give up and thats a fact.

    I have read with great interest many of the comments by bloggers and I must say that all (even those who didnt agree with me) have a sense of pride be they Guyanese or Bajan, Indian, White or Black and spoke from their hearts.

    However, I have to agree with BU

    WE NEED PROPER MIGRATION POLICIES!

    WE NEED TO KNOW WHO IS IN OUR COUNTRY AND FOR HOW LONG AND WHEN THEY WILL LEAVE!

    WE NEED THOSE WHO ARE ILLEGAL TO LEAVE THIS COUNTRY WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT!

    WE NEED TO MAKE BARBADOS THE BEST IT CAN BE WITHOUT ALL THIS ADDED RIVALRY!

  • GuyanaMan // July 29, 2008 at 9:41 AM

    I might sound like an alarmist, and many of you guys don’t want to hear anything about Guyana. But you guys are just being ignorant and that will cause your demise.

    What is happening in little Barbados is refugee crisis. People in Guyana are trying to get in there by any means necessary and Im sure just after Bajan is Guyanese in the number of people on that island.

    You can ignore me all you want, and do like the Americans and lobby politicians all you want,but the FACTS are,as long as we have a racist fascist regime in Guyana,and the place is still unstable. We will pour into Barbados in massive numbers. And chinese,Indians and Africans will come to Guyana and buy a passport from Minister Rohee and meet there to.

  • Veronica // July 29, 2008 at 12:58 PM

    Dear Anonymous

    I do not live in Guyana am not pro or anti any political party. People of colour must acquire the skill of respecting another persons opinion whether it coincide with there’s or not. Guyana’s violent racial history is not unknown to the Caribbean. The past regime is guilty of atrocities against its own citizens due to the fact they were of another ethnicity is a fact. We can’t change it nor pretend it did not happen. It is just history. South Africa approach to the crimes committed under the apartheid regime might be the way for Guyana to go instead of ignoring it. It would have been to Guyana’s best interest if the present regime had a strong president. Guyanese uses words as: dictatorship, fascism, racism without knowing the meaning of the words and that they themselves are guilty of what they accuse others of.

    Guyanese immigrants are easy targets for discrimination after all what do they have to go back to. There comes a time when every country must say no to immigrants. Immigrants must remember that they are guests and must respect their hosts however this don’t mean they must give up their human rights. When economical situations in a country changes immigrants are always the scapegoats, that’s human nature, it becomes a problem when it goes beyond humanitarian levels.

    Bajans must not allow any breathing space to the type of ignorance that’s alive and kicking in Guyana. Take a good look at that country and ask if that type of future you want for yourself and loved ones.

    Barbados is a nice vacation country, tourists comes but they will stay away as well, it depends on all of you. The world is in a crisis right now. Don’t learn from Guyana’s mistakes, make them yourselves if you so wishes. If you Bajans wishes to enter the race game, who am I to say no.

  • Jay // July 29, 2008 at 1:34 PM

    @ GuyanaMan,I’ve seen no remarks belonging to you where you’re ‘alarmist’.It is well known that the government of Guyana is corrupt & you can see MANY websites through google on how to pay for a Guyana passport from anywhere in the world.

    The DLP government clearly does not want to do anything about this matter,for which they have their own reasons but the fact remains that Bajans Citizens will most likely become more entrenched in their positions if a successful plan is not brought to bear in the interim on this problem.

    Anyway it seems Nation news is giving Norman Faria more press.

    “Kudos to Benn on migrant issue
    Published on: 7/29/08.

    I REFER TO THE ARTICLE Call For Migrant Roll – Benn: Proper System The Answer To Problems (DAILY NATION, July 17) in which Minister of Agriculture Senator Haynesley Benn referred to Guyanese workers and the Guyana Consulate during the Senate debate on the Immigration (Amendment And Validation) Bill 2008.

    Mr Benn should be commended for bringing to the debate the useful dimension of a more structured system for workers from overseas contributing to Barbados’ ongoing development.

    He, his ministry and previous ones should also be lauded for their commitment to the Barbadian agricultural sector and hard-working farmers.

    As we move towards a truly meaningful regional solution to present food challenges, we are grateful too for the kind courtesies shown visiting Guyanese agricultural people who were invited to participate in this year’s Agrofest.

    The call for a more structured system for migrant workers should be supported if it leads to a mutually beneficial situation.

    Such a system, in the interim period leading up to the CSME, would do away with parasitic intermediaries such as so-called immigration consultants and lawyers who prey on such workers by offering them work permits while taking exorbitant sums of money and their passports, sometimes not producing any results.

    Ideally, it should lead to a guarantee of proper pay, better working conditions and benefits such as sickness and vacation pay. Indeed, the consulate has put a proposal to the ministry in Guyana to look into what small steps could be started there.

    What we should guard against, and I am sure Mr Benn is not thinking along these lines, is such a system being used to take jobs from hard-working, enterprising Guyanese or others or to penalise them.

    The Guyanese government condemns the breaking of a country’s regulations. We must note, however, that there are undocumented people from any nationality, including Barbadians, abroad.

    Close work relationship

    Mr Benn reportedly remarked that the consulate should “work closer” with the Barbados Government. Since my appointment in 1994 I have worked closely with several ministries, including the Ministry of Labour, the Ministry of Social Services, and the Accreditation Office, to be updated on regulations, so that I can better inform my people. I have also informed the ministries of concerns of Guyanese.

    I meet annually with Barbados’ Chief Immigration Officer and sectoral heads. I visit workers at farm sites and they provide a significant proportion of Barbados’ agricultural output, thereby saving the island money on its food bill. I have met with the trade union heads and other operatives.

    The consulate regularly organises town hall-type meetings with agents from Government institutions such as the Labour Department and NIS [the National Insurance Department] and brief Guyanese on procedures.

    I am a former trade unionist, and the consulate’s attention to contract workers and the undocumented is sometimes described as being outside the parameters of routine consular work.

    This attention is equally extended to Guyanese construction workers, the often unrecognised maids, home helpers, and those taking care of the elderly who otherwise would seek assistance at the island’s admittedly excellent health institutions.

    A more detailed look at the present challenges of contract work can be useful if it ensures that the rights and freedoms of Guyanese and other workers are respected and extended. It can be useful if their presence here continues to deepen the development of Barbadian society in an orderly and acceptable way for the betterment of all.

    – NORMAN R. FARIA,

    Guyana’s honorary consul to Barbados”

  • Reaganomics // July 29, 2008 at 2:24 PM

    Ideally, it should lead to a guarantee of proper pay, better working conditions and benefits such as sickness and vacation pay.

    ******************************************
    Reaganomics happens to know Mr. Faria personally but it’s clear that the latter does not understand basic economic principles and this is the root of the problem that is causing this backlash we’re facing.

    The Guyanese worker cannot demand or command the same salary as the Barbadian worker. The Guyanese worker is cheaper labor. FACT.
    By law, the Guyanese worker has to pay NIS and PAYE. However, let’s look at this scenario, if you are coming from US$20.00 per week. Then US$40.oo per week is a 100% increase. So this in an incentive to the Guyanese worker.
    The problem is that the Barbadian worker is already commanding US$75.00 per week. So in essence, the Guyanese worker (as a cheaper form of labor) is driving down the wage of the Barbadian because capital is seeking the highest returns.
    Of course, over time, economists will argue that this situation will be corrected whereby a shortage will be created in Guyana and wages will be pushed up there – shifting labor back there. Of course that process can take 50 yrs or more.
    This is the problem Mr. Faria. Nobody wants to carry the costs of asymetrical integration.
    The average Barbadian does not think it’s fair.
    This is what must be addressed urgently.

  • Reaganomics // July 29, 2008 at 3:05 PM

    It seems therefore that the root of the problem is not race afterall but as the Good Book says, “for the love of money is the root of all evil.”

    The employers want the cheapest labor, the guyanese are looking for higher wages and will stop at nothing to get it and the bajans are vexed because their wages are being depressed.
    It’s always about money.

  • Jay // July 29, 2008 at 6:49 PM

    @Reaganomics,of course it has always been about money.You just have to look pass some of the more racy comments to get to the truth.

    It is the same thing with Mexican emigration to the United States & why people are so pissed if you think about it.

    Don’t forget inflation should almost double in Barbados by year’s end to next year.It doesn’t look like a pretty picture at all.

  • BTS // July 29, 2008 at 11:03 PM

    JC queried “I would like some help in finding a reknowned qualified BLACK ENT Specialist to take my son too.”

    I’m curious: who are the non-black ENT specialists here?

    I certainly never heard of any. I thought everbody went to Maynard, Lashley or Clarke.

    In any case, it’s a dumb, bigoted request. This JC guy is clearly a weakling. I despise his attitude.

    Reminds me of the UK where I grew up in the early 70s, and the bigots who didnt want to visit my father’s SE London surgery (he was a GP) because he was black.

    One other point:

    I know all about the simmering racial tension in the UK Midlands, having lived and worked there for many years, and yes, some Asian behaviour towards blacks is racist and hostile, no question: I experienced it myself on more than one occasion.

    But what The Observer article (written by a white journalist, incidentally) doesnt mention is the historical context for this hostility.

    For many years first-generation Asian immigrants and their children had been relentlessly targetted by Afro-Caribbean youth (along with some racist white youth: it was known as “paki-bashing”) in precisely the same way as first-generation (ie Windrush) WI immigrants and their children had been targetted by racist white youth (ie the Teddy boys).

    What happened with the next (indigenous) Asian-Brit generation was a carbon-copy of what happened in the Afro-Caribbean community: namely, the youth toughened-up and refused to take the crap that their parents/grandparents had had to suffer – with the inevitable violent consequences as exemplified in the Birmigham riots.

  • reluctant nonbeliever // July 29, 2008 at 11:05 PM

    JC queried “I would like some help in finding a reknowned qualified BLACK ENT Specialist to take my son too.”

    I’m curious: who are the non-black ENT specialists here?

    I certainly never heard of any. I thought everbody went to Maynard, Lashley or Clarke.

    In any case, it’s a dumb, bigoted request. This JC guy is clearly a weakling. I despise his attitude.

    Reminds me of the UK where I grew up in the early 70s, and the bigots who didnt want to visit my father’s SE London surgery (he was a GP) because he was black.

    One other point:

    I know all about the simmering racial tension in the UK Midlands, having lived and worked there for many years, and yes, some Asian behaviour towards blacks is racist and hostile, no question: I experienced it myself on more than one occasion.

    But what The Observer article (written by a white journalist, incidentally) doesnt mention is the historical context for this hostility.

    For many years first-generation Asian immigrants and their children had been relentlessly targetted by Afro-Caribbean youth (along with some racist white youth: it was known as “paki-bashing”) in precisely the same way as first-generation (ie Windrush) WI immigrants and their children had been targetted by racist white youth (ie the Teddy boys).

    What happened with the next (indigenous) Asian-Brit generation was a carbon-copy of what happened in the Afro-Caribbean community: namely, the youth toughened-up and refused to take the crap that their parents/grandparents had had to suffer – with the inevitable violent consequences as exemplified in the Birmigham riots.

  • BGR // July 29, 2008 at 11:41 PM

    Does anyone understand that Barbados is an experiment just like Britain is or was an experiment for mass immigration for Europe and Australia for that particular region. Well Barbados was chosen for this region. Whether knowingly or not Owen was fulfilling the elitist agenda. It’s just in Owen case, being former Chairman of Caricom he wanted to prove a point.
    It is all about diluting the stock of the native population to change the racial profile of the country in years to come and to a larger extent the world population.
    In order for a one world government to be realise, one of the ways is that the world’s population need to have the individual cultural groups characteristics weakened to the point where only a privileged few rule over the masses. Distracted by hate, racism, fear, entertainment and intellectually brankrupt to govern themselves.
    The Guyana situation is so pathetic that US law enforcement agencies have snubb their noses at Guyana. The country is not even secure enough for DEA agents to set up shop there. Very sad indeed.

    http://www.caribbean360.com/News/Caribbean/Stories/2008/07/18/NEWS0000006079.html

    Bajan Global Report
    http://www.bimchat.wordpress.com

  • reluctant nonbeliever // July 30, 2008 at 1:49 AM

    apologies for the double post

    was trying out a new (shorter) nickname…didnt think it had gone through….

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  • Anonymous // July 30, 2008 at 6:50 AM

    Reluctant nonbeliever

    If you believe the indian racial actions and insults towards persons of african descent in birmingham are as a result of afro caribbean attacking first generation indians – then please explain the similar indian racial attitudes towards the native fijian,the same indian atttitude towards the afro trinidians,the same racial indian attitude towards the ‘creoles’ (persons of african stock) in Mauritius.

    I don’t think I need to go on – because those apologists who come on here pretending to be of african descent and trying to paper over these cracks in society between indians and africans that are being laid bare – well piss off – because we read,we analyse,we study the behaviour of the indian population around us in the caribbean and further afield – and we know how racist they are towards persons of african descent – who they see only in terms of ‘foolish black customers buying their cheap stuff’.

  • JC // July 30, 2008 at 9:16 AM

    JC queried “I would like some help in finding a reknowned qualified BLACK ENT Specialist to take my son too.”

    In any case, it’s a dumb, bigoted request. This JC guy is clearly a weakling. I despise his attitude.

    Reminds me of the UK where I grew up in the early 70s, and the bigots who didnt want to visit my father’s SE London surgery (he was a GP) because he was black.

    ———————————————————-

    I use to take my son to an Indian Doctor (must admit he is very good) but it WAS MY CHOICE and I made it to NEVER support another Indian person if I could help it and you heard what I said MY CHOICE!

    Those who want to spend their monies with who so ever will it is their CHOICE!

    I have never seen an Indian man or family come and support BLACK people and to be honest it never use to bother me, but then, I realised how wicked and manipulative (some not all) persons can be!

    And made a CHOICE to BUY from balck people as much as possible!

    I will not apologise to a boy or YOU for that!

    IT IS MY BLASTED MONEY!

    I have a SERIOUS problem with persons who want to think for me!

    CHECK YOURSELF ONE PROUD BLAK BIGOT HERE! LOL

  • JC // July 30, 2008 at 9:42 AM

    reluctant nonbeliever are you suffering from an inferiority complex! You remind of one of these persons who are caught up in a euphoria.

    You think that every thing that glitters is gold dont you? I dont even believe in pitying anyone or I might have had to PITY YOU! For not having the guts to accept FACTS!

    You remind me of one of these persons who thinks that every thing is black and white well they have indians, chinese and all kinds of mixups all over the place; AND I KNOW YOU KNOW that the belief is that once you are mixed with the black race one is considered SOILED!

    Well FRIEND I am one of those persons who has been wise enough to realise AND accept that as a FACT!

    Oh and by the way I am a WOMAN!

    Never would want to be anything else different to BEING BLACK and a WOMAN! LOL

  • Negroman // July 30, 2008 at 9:59 AM

    Reluctant Non Believer It is black people like you that have the black race at the bottom.Progressive thinking people like JC,The Scout,Anonymous & Yours Truly are trying in our own little way to uplift the economic condition of our own by buying from our own black people.What is wrong with that.
    Indians do not buy from no other race but their own.I cannot recalled Indians in Barbados sponsoring or supporting Crop Over or any social activities in Barbados.They do not sponsor cricket or any sporting activities.They do not have indans in Barbaos participating in Crop Over.I never heard or see an Indian Kadooment Band The Indians merchants in Barbados rake in millions of dollars from all those activities but do not give back to our society.I want anyone to come and dispute those facts.
    What is wrong with JC sourcing a black doctor.
    Negroman would continue to plead to fellow black Barbadians buy black
    Reluctant Non Believer it is the anti black blacks & token blacks like yourself that have the black race down trodden The black race will be much better off without people like you.

  • henry // July 30, 2008 at 4:34 PM

    I’m Married, a father,
    I have 3 Young daughters to raise, Reading this Monday in the guyana news was horrifying.

    Child rapist hangs self … chopped victim’s aunt, uncle when confronted – after abducting and raping a 9 year old child.

    http://www.kaieteurnews.com/?p=3657

    some ?

    they are armed & robbing buses
    http://www.stabroeknews.com/news/bandits-rob-bus-passengers-at-adventure/

    they are armed robbing and murdering guyanese merchants.
    http://www.stabroeknews.com/news/scrap-dealer-murdered-by-bike-bandit/

    armed gangs are also robbing.

    - $1.8M snatched by armed gang
    http://www.stabroeknews.com/news/18m-snatched-by-armed-gang/

    Is Barbados ready to deal with crime on this scale on a Daily basis from illegal immigrants, that they cannot even keep track of?

    Perhaps the guyana press
    would like to try to censor
    the guardian too as they commented
    on the recent murder/ robbery
    of Honeymooners recently attacked
    from the UK in Antigua?

    from the article.

    “Immigrants from Jamaica and Guyana, where crime rates are far higher, have also been blamed for the growth of gun culture.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/jul/29/internationalcrime1gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

    They are discussing some of
    the very same concerns of some of the guyana
    violence culture, as being discussed here.

  • Anonymous // July 31, 2008 at 12:12 AM

    I am a guyanese , who experience racism from indo-guyanese , guyana racism number has escalated rapidly, now the racism is unbearable, black persons cannot get jobs due to they only employ indian persons , no matter the standard of education you have, majority of indians over here do not have any education the only way they got their jobs and those high positions are by their colour, knowing some one or drugs, believe me majority of indian business men cannot speak properly. Also how majority of them own businesses and we afro-guyanese has to go there to purchase something from the store , they do not pay any attention to us, give us bad faces , speak to you rude, even if you go there first and an indian person comes in believe me the indian person will get serve first.They look down at black persons as a disgrace to society .In guyana if there is any couple which one partner is black and the other is indian god be with them they will live in terment by the indian family this situation cause many to take their own life, due to the indian family wants to make arrange marriage and choose for their child , that is how sick is this place.They teach their children to don’t mix with black children.I write this because i want to warn all bajans , what is going to be the out come of having those indo-guyanese in their country , i personally had a bad experience from a indo-guyanese family who iscurrently residing illegally in barbados who are very racial and also they are seeking residence in barbados at all means even if they have to marry off their children to bajan, so be aware ,barbados will turn into another guyana if no action is taken, which i truely believe is wrong, i think this situation will drop the tourism in barbados and also the guyanese government needs to do something about the racialism, it is not right to go to other countries and contaminating the coutry with bad behaviour, all they are doing is scarring guyana and making it impossible for other guyanese.

  • Buxton Spice // July 31, 2008 at 10:35 AM

    Because you want to go and buy from them. They must look down on you. When people call for massive boycotts of these people, you folks do not adhere.

  • JC // July 31, 2008 at 1:04 PM

    I dont give a rats tail who is boycotting who!

    As long as I have breath I am ONE bajan who will not buy from these people ANY MORE!

    I dont like their attitude at all! And I said before it is MY CHOICE! That’s all that matters!

  • Reaganomics // July 31, 2008 at 1:10 PM

    Reagonomics supposes that JC is more comfortable buying from the Simpons and the Goddards and Cave Shepherd and Supercentre.
    Maybe these people that JC is boycotting dont hire Bajans.

  • JC // July 31, 2008 at 1:21 PM

    Read my previous comments you would see I said if I could help it. you are on ignore again you want some one to play with dont you wrong no.

  • Negroman // July 31, 2008 at 2:28 PM

    Buxton Spice I agreed with you.Black people believes that all the other races love us.We do not want to face the harsh reality that we are a despise race and we are hated by those other ethnic groups.
    Buxton Spice the legacy of slavery is still with many of us today.Therefore the call for massive boycott will not resonate with many of us in our present state of mine.However,we must continue to peg away and there is hope because the message is getting through to some of us.I can assure you the boycott has started.More & more blacks are recognising that those people care nothing about us and are seeking out black businessess to patronise.I know that for a fact.
    Negroman will continue to urge my black brothers & sisters
    BUY BLACK BOYCOTT THE REST
    JC You have Negroman very happy.I love you
    keep it up You are one strong black powerful woman You are on the right track.

  • henry // August 1, 2008 at 10:50 AM

    an article on
    Antigua’s search for solutions
    for their disenfranchised youth & the
    problems that mass immigration can sometimes bring to a small island-

    Church urges government to address immigration policies !

    Calling on the government to pursue more rigorous immigration and labour policies.
    “To counter the ethos of growing frustration among the populace, particularly among indigenous nationals, we strongly recommend by way of this statement that our government introduces more rigorous immigration and labour policies, intentionally adopts non-partisan programmes for deportee reintegration services and meticulously engages standards for all Antiguans and Barbudans to be further provided with equal opportunities for continued education, good jobs, good social services, quality health care, valuable property ownership and notable incentives for faith-based ,” the statement noted. ”

    http://www.antiguasun.com/paper/?as=view&sun=281935077507132005&an=271103086307312008&ac=Local

    Antigua’s prime minister’s statement on murders!

    “Since 2004, we have instituted a number of measures to counteract crime in our country, and we will, necessarily, be getting tougher:

    “Hence, it is the intention of my government to tighten immigration procedures and practices; and, shortly, we will take to Parliament legislation aimed at monitoring deportees to this country and deporting convicted criminals from this country.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/antiguaandbarbuda/2477943/Antiguas-prime-ministers-statement-on-murders.html

  • Patriotic Guyanese // August 1, 2008 at 9:29 PM

    Any human being would naturally want to support his race for the survival of his/her race, thus do what is “legally and morally” necessary.
    Most of the comments with “hyped up” racial intonations are done in hast and ventilating a high percentage of hate.
    This is the reality of the ” Free Press” which can have its uqly and uncivilised other side.
    Of course, JC has a right not to seek the medical expertise from an “Indian” Doctor or buy from an Indian shopkeeper or for that matter chinese, White, Arab or whatever.
    This is her choice and she lives with it. At the same time it is literally “eating out” her on the insides otherwise she would nothave ventilated it with such plain words.
    Barbados does not have the “Political problem’ of racial imbalances in its political parties , say like Trinidad, Surniame, Mauritius and especially Guyana.
    By the way, Mauritius has a huge Indian majority.
    Unlike Guyana and someone mentioned Fiji. These two countries have a small “Indian” lead but culturally, they are poles apart.
    Guyana has a stron ” West Indian” culture. A Mixture of Creole, whatever is left from the West African culture,that which was forced upon us by the colonizers and the rest we “gleefuly” copied from the USA, Canada and the TV!
    On the Political side, we got most of what we have from the British system.
    Now we are hustling and bustling to copy the “USA” system wherever possible or mix it with the British system of Governance.
    Talk about “Press Freedom” in Guyana.
    All the nonsense we see in the dailies could not be there, if it was in the PNC Burnham / Hoyte era.
    Whoever wrote anything against the head of state or the paramount party would have had his door “kicked down” in the middle of the night and his family exterminated.
    That was before democracy came to Guyana.
    By the way @ Henry.
    The man who raped an Indian Hindu 9 year old girl, then hung himself was Afro-Guyanese, Yet no one talked anything about HIS or HER “race!”
    A few bigots come here to talk rubbish about the Government in Guyana.
    They should do so in Guyana.
    Stand up and be counted and then it would bring about a positive change.
    Many of the negative comments made about Guyana onthis Blogsite are unfair to Guyana and the present situation in Guyana.
    Many Afro-Guyanese are of the opinion that in any fair and free election the PNC cannot win, morever since the launch of the AFC which has literally taken a huge chunk from their support.
    It would have been a Blessing it the AFC would have been the alternative to the PNC or the PPP but so far it desen’t seem so.
    Guyana is open to Bajans coming here, acquire land and farm side by side with Guyanese.
    There were many Bajans whi in the 50’s came here, got married to Guyanese and have since settled in.
    We see Bajan names in all walks of life here in Guyana and they are welcome.
    Why should anyone fear Guyanese Indian or Afro?
    It is so comical!

  • JC // August 1, 2008 at 10:05 PM

    It could never be comical when Indo guyanese kill BLACK people left right and center. I am not in guyana but the little I do for me is enough! I come on this blog and let other Guyaese know how I FEEL ABOUT the situation they have found themselves in! To be quite honest if there wasn so such hatred within Guyana I think you all would have been a most remarkable Country!

    I am more concerned about the hatred you all will bring to this country and it has ALREADY started!

    You want to know what is eating me out that although BLACK people realise that these Indians dont like us we still try to say God understands LOL!

    WE TRULY ARE THE PARENT RACE!

    GOD HAVE MERCY ON OUR SOULS!

    Proper migration policies that is all JC wants!

  • henry // August 1, 2008 at 10:47 PM

    Do not put words in my mouth
    &Don’t try to make the “race thing”
    a Henry thing.

    I don’t want ANY of guyana’s ILLEGALS here
    PERIOD , I have not specifed ANY
    race . They can be blue, pinstriped , paisley,
    polka dot or burberry plaid for all , that I care!

    All of the “illegals” just need to Go!

    They really don’t belong here. They are
    breaking the law by being here, whilet humbing their noses at this island’s legal
    immigration process & getting away with it!

    Why don’t they want to be checked out, before
    migrating?? Are they hiding a criminal past?
    If your our country cannot or will not vouch for you? I defininately don’t want you as my neighbor.

    The Guyanese?
    They act like they have a right
    to be here, but they really don’t.

    Get them out!

    Illegals need to go home!
    Stay away from Me & My Family, My Children!

    I hope our Government
    Chucks them out & send them packing!

    Some will very likely be leaving Antigua
    soon, they don’t need to stop off here
    for a detour or Holiday. Do not pass go – or collect $200 dollars.

    Send them directly home!

    ASAP – Yesterday if possible!

    They need to be sent right back home
    & put on watch list to prevent them from trying
    to sneak back in.

    Guyana needs to fix it’s own Mess
    before trying to tell others what to do, Period.

    Some of them have very Messed up mentalities.
    Some of them are troublemakers & criminals.

    Most of the Caribbean knows it now & are trying
    to prevent them from entering their shores, illegally !

    from today’s news
    Guyana Muslims: FBI pursuing alleged terror plot – http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h9NZiMthZBSMDj05db3hBstHB_jwD929M7282

    Guyana’s murder rate is up this year
    http://www.stabroeknews.com/letters/guyana%E2%80%99s-murder-rate-is-up-this-year/

    guyana
    “If the police cannot solve serious crimes then get help from a foreign police force”

    http://www.stabroeknews.com/letters/if-the-police-cannot-solve-serious-crimes-then-get-help-from-a-foreign-police-force/

    potential illegal immigrant – just waiting to happen.

    http://www.stabroeknews.com/news/cops-under-watch-after-murder-accused-flees/

    Guyana’s murder rate is up this year
    http://www.stabroeknews.com/letters/guyana%E2%80%99s-murder-rate-is-up-this-year/

    guyana
    “If the police cannot solve serious crimes then get help from a foreign police force”

    http://www.stabroeknews.com/letters/if-the-police-cannot-solve-serious-crimes-then-get-help-from-a-foreign-police-force/

    potential illegal immigrant
    http://www.stabroeknews.com/news/cops-under-watch-after-murder-accused-flees/

    Scholarship guyanese students sent to Jamaican prison
    http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-9438–7-7–.html

  • henry // August 1, 2008 at 11:56 PM

    I’ve never mentioned anything
    specifically the concerning race of illegal immigrants.

    I’ve often comment on the legal status of immigrants.
    & all illegals immigrants need to get sent back home!

    Becoming a citizen of Barbados is privilege
    & a courtesy, it’s not a right !

    It sets a negative precedent for Youth
    every where that they can ignore, lie, cheat,
    thumb their nose or buck the
    rules and get away with it to be rewarded
    - even with citizenship status!

    So to that, I am being consistent.

    All illegals need to go back home
    Regardless of race or origins.
    West African or Guyanese.

    Try the legal route.

    Respect that there are many other People, abiding by our laws, who are
    trying to get into Barbados through the legal immigration method.

    No need to connive , scam or
    jump in front of them by sneaking in Barbados,
    Hiding your past history , crimes or questionable affiliations.

    It says a lot about your character (in a negative way) & the respect for
    host island’s laws , if you opt the illegal route.

    Go through the proper legal procedure,
    paperwork with checks & balances
    to protect Our Citizens & Families.

  • Adrian Hinds // August 2, 2008 at 1:34 AM

    JC // August 1, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    It could never be comical when Indo guyanese kill BLACK people left right and center. I am not in guyana but the little I do for me is enough! I come on this blog and let other Guyaese know how I FEEL ABOUT the situation they have found themselves in! To be quite honest if there wasn so such hatred within Guyana I think you all would have been a most remarkable Country!
    =================================
    JC the truth is more likely to be that Indo-guyanese suffer more violence from Afro-guyanese than the other way around. It would behoves us to stay out of Guyana’s internal problems and only fucus on them as relate to us via their citizens migrating to Barbados.

  • Jay // August 2, 2008 at 2:07 AM

    I completely agree with the above.It makes me wonder what is it going to take for the DLP Government to realize this & act appropriately.Most Bajans more than welcome anyone who legally comes to the island,but the mere fact that the illegal immigration population has gotten out of control plus the current Guyana government assisting in exporting its population as if it is a commodity & not even giving a damn about a fellow Caricom nation’s populace should say a lot.Basically,Guyana is looking out only for Guyana & no matter which Caricom country it is they have absolutely NO RESPECT for Barbados’ sovereignty or the concerns of Bajan citizens.

    I wonder what it is going to take for the DLP government to realize that this is not an issue that isn’t going to go away.Our fellow Caricom nation of Antigua despite NOT knowing who committed the gruesome murders on their island have decided to tighten their immigration policy as well,despite earlier in the month their P.M. Baldwin Spencer was talking about hassle free movement.
    http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magazines/Business/html/20080710T220000-0500_137725_OBS_ANTIGUA_PM_WANTS_HASSLE_FREE_MOVEMENT_BETWEEN_CARICOM_STATES.asp

    “Antigua PM wants hassle-free movement between Caricom states

    Friday, July 11, 2008

    Antigua and Barbuda’s Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer says his government is committed to ensuring that the movement between Caricom nationals in the region becomes as hassle-free as possible, and that the immigration restrictions currently in place be minimised.”

    This has changed dramatically since the murders took place despite NOT knowing who the actual murderer is,talk about having a revelation too late & a reason why we shouldn’t make the same mistake since our fragile economy is mainly around tourist dollars.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/antiguaandbarbuda/2477943/Antiguas-prime-ministers-statement-on-murders.html

    “Hence, it is the intention of my government to tighten immigration procedures and practices; and, shortly, we will take to Parliament legislation aimed at monitoring deportees to this country and deporting convicted criminals from this country.”

  • Negro man // August 2, 2008 at 2:35 AM

    Guyana problems are Caribbean problems.We all are affected by the problems in Guyana.That is mass migration from that country to our countries.I believe we have a vested interest in the happenings in Guyana.
    Blacks suffer more at the hands of Indo-Guyanese than the other way around.More blacks men died within the last 5 years in Guyana than indian men.Roger Khan phantom gang killed nearly 200 black men over the last 5 years.
    Guyana needs to fix its problems and make the country conducive fo its people to remain and live.Fleeing Guyana will not solve Guyana problems.
    Indo-Guyanese have Guyana destroyed and will destroy Barbados if we allow them to migrate and build a large group.Indian race is a destructive race.
    INDO-GUYANESE GO HOME & STAY HOME WE DO NOT WANT INDO-GUYANESE IN BARBADOS.

  • Ruel Daniels // August 2, 2008 at 5:42 AM

    DOCTOR GUYANA // July 27, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Ruel, look I was there when Cheddi and Janet won the first election and no black man was killed. It was a joyous time in BG. Yes the PPP is multi racial, for it has many mutlti racial Guyanese in it, and yes anything over 51 % is a majority. I say no power sharing, just more confusion, the system will work itself out and come back exactly to where it was in the beginning, and with that I say, We Hail thee Guyana Land of our birth! Now what did Cheddi say as he was leaving his beloved Guyana alive for the last time, Don’t worry, everything will be fine. So relax and enjoy, and please don’t banter to the emotions of these good Barbadians.
    ******************************************

    Of Course you were there. Probably was part of the triumpalist gang that Eusi Kwayanna cited with comiting the first ethnic political killing in Guyana. Cheddie Jagan when he came in power immediately began ethnically cleansing the public service. The PPP had Cuban trained cadres in the PYO bombing and killing along with all the other perps in the sixties.

    The PPP today took away the subvention of the Critchlow Labour College because it is named after a black tard unionist, and because many blacks go there for education. The PPP has always been a racist and vindictive political organization which began racial politics in Guyana by urging it’s supporters to vote apaan jaat. You guys do not want the rest of the majority black caribbean to learn about your attitudes and behaviours, so you postulate this shyte about multi racial PPP. The PPP is about multi-racial as the Klu Klux Klan is.

  • Ruel Daniels // August 2, 2008 at 6:05 AM

    GuyanaMan // July 27, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    DAVID,
    I have not posted under any other names in this forum. I recently discover this forum when Racist Randy posted that missive in the Guyana newspaper. Before that,I did not know you guys existed.

    Sorry, we meant Doctor Guyana

    David
    ***************************************

    That is the modus operandi of the PPP indian sycophants. They assume black sounding names or IDs in order to mask their identity. Given the fact that this slug post under a slew of names, there is no doubt where he is coming from.

    Look, let’s be serious. All Indians are not racist. Maybe the majority are not. The problem is that those who are politically ambitious tap into a cultural belief system that equates blacks with being products of the feet of the Hindu deity and thus at the botom of the human chain. It is the kind of backward prejudice Indian one can find in the Apalachian regions of the US.

    During the world cup, all the Caribbean nations put out brochures highlighting the history and culture of their regions. Guyana is the only country to draw attention to a particular ethnicity. The Guyanese brochure advised visitors that they would have an opportunity to experience Guyana’s unique Indian Culture. This slug Doctor Guyana harping about Guyana being the land of six peoples is only trying to lull Barbadians into a sense of false security. A Government dedicated to administering in the interest of a land of six peoples ain’t going to put that kind shyte on a brochure.

  • elise // August 2, 2008 at 8:03 PM

    bajans watch out!…these indians will silently worm their way into ur country and take over..soon u will have a different breed of bajan..bajindians…u better ship them out asap!!

  • henry // August 5, 2008 at 1:24 PM

    Refreshing! I t’s Great to see that
    not everyone is “sleeping” on this
    issue, until the total culture, work force & population of an island changes – there are proavtive things that can be done like involving
    the local community , working hand in hand with the government to report the illegals in their
    workplace or their communities.

    You also have to crack down on this problem from the top, anyone found hiring or sheltering an illegal immigrant is just as guilty and should be legally penalized , because They are also breaking the LAW, making it comfortable for illegals to stay, find employment & break the law!

    Illegals should be return them back home ASAP! . – fr. today’s news

    Department of Immigration to “Aggressively” Tackle Illegal Immigration Issues ! ( bahamas)

    Nassau, Bahamas – The Department of Immigration is using “an aggressive approach” to tackling the illegal immigration issue facing the country, Minister of State for Immigration the Hon. Branville McCartney announced.

    And as part of this strategy, he said a hot line would be set up shortly to receive calls from the public on any suspected illegal activities or other concerns regarding immigrants.

    At a press conference held Friday, August 1 at the Department of Immigration on Hawkins Hill, Mr. McCartney also disclosed that phase of the approach: obtaining data from the relevant government ministries and agencies on the effects of illegal immigration on the economy.

    http://www.thebahamasweekly.com/publish/bisnewsupdates/Department_of_Immigration_to_Aggressively_Tackle_Illegal_Immigration_Issues-003899.shtml

  • Buxton Spice // August 15, 2008 at 8:58 AM

    I know you guys would have gotten tired and go and sleep and let Guyanese run you over.

    I notice that Barbados sent runway lights to Guyana because the lights in Guyana not working. They have a young man running the airport,guess what is his qualification? He is a supporter of the PPP and indian.

    I wish Barbados well,but as long as incompetence is the trademark in Guyana,we will continue rushing your shores.

  • The scout // August 15, 2008 at 1:47 PM

    Buxton Spice
    When bajans wake up from this deep sleep we would be ALL guyanese second class citizens. We playing with dynomite and don’t realise it. You can try telling them, I’ve tried and failed, I’m not trying anymore.

  • Negroman // August 15, 2008 at 2:08 PM

    The Scout I feel like giving up also.However,there is a glimmer of hope.Things are happenning take it from me.I know what is taking place and I can tell you this immigration situation is going to be dealt with in a serious and practical manner by this administration.Previously I had serious reservations that this present administration could have dealt with this problem.Reports reaching me suggest that the governement is quite aware of the problem and the ramifications it could have on this country if it allow the situation to go uncheck.
    Scout please do not give up things are happenning not at the rate we will love it to be at nevertheless the government is worrking on the situation.Please continue to make noise and alert black Barbadians about the negative impact those indo-guyanese nuisances could bring on this island.I intend to continue the fight to rid this country of the degenerics Indo-guanese scums.

  • The scout // August 15, 2008 at 2:30 PM

    Negroman
    Tell me. Can the immigration seriously tell us how many guyanese that came in for cropover are still in this country? From my understanding, most of them were given two weeks holiday. Only a small percentage have returned to guyana and this happens ever year.
    This is information that reached my nrws room. Are we really serious?

  • The scout // August 15, 2008 at 2:45 PM

    Negroman
    I understand that there is going to be a race meeting at Bushy park around the end of this month. Guyanese are reported to say they are going to put bajans in their place on that day. What this means I don’t know but sometime ago at a race meeting a big fight broke down between the two groups and the authorities had to rush the Quick Response swad up there in a hurry. Ever since the they have been at major race meets especially when guyanese drivers are here. What the government can do is get ten transport buses up there and collect a large amount of illegals and put them on a jumbo back to guyana.

  • Negroman // August 15, 2008 at 4:42 PM

    The Scout I do not follow car races so I cannot tell you anything about that.I believe that is only car racing chit chat.I do not think guyanese will be that presumptous to challenge Barbadians in Barbados.I hate car racing but I will make it my business to go up to Bushy Park if anything had to come down..
    The lax immigration policy we had in the past is being review and steps are on the way to tighten up loose ends.In this regard the guyanese who came here for Crop Over and refuse to go back are here at their own peril.The days of overstaying your visit and then going into the Immigration and asking for immigrant status are over.Eventually those illegals will be rounded up and sent packing.Scout please observe the illegals are running scare in Barbados.We still have a very serious problem with those indo-guyanese scum bags but I have confidence that will so change.
    I am giving this government a certain period of time to address this situation and after that period has expire and it has not been satisfactory be resolve by that time,Negroman will go on attack against this government.I was given the assurance that drastic action will be taken but the constraints of CSME and our arrangements with CARICOM must be taken into consideration.

  • Technician // August 15, 2008 at 4:48 PM

    Well Negroman…if the immigration really want to scoop up those illegals, there is going to be a fete called ‘the guyanese invasion’ held @ NXS club in St.Lawrence Gap soon. We all know how they get on when they are drunk. Shouldn’t be hard.

  • JC // August 15, 2008 at 6:26 PM

    I hope this aint a lot of long talk! I so tired of this sh!!

  • Anonymous // August 15, 2008 at 8:54 PM

    Negroman

    What about dem indian women who guts big wid child which dey hoping to deliver here in Barbados to get bajan citizenship?

    What is Maxine Mcclean doing about dat?

    Also Negroman have you heard of any raids at the Fairchild street bars,or this same club in Bay street which had the recent killing?

    What about dese Nelson street prostitute hell hole?

    The immigration should be all over this island checking out dese construction sites,as well as dese bridetown indian stores and cheapside market?

    Dey have enough work deporting these illegals that would last them the whole year.

    Wha yuh waiting for Mr Thompson or Miss Mcclean?

  • The scout // August 28, 2008 at 7:34 PM

    Just heard that the police in guyana shot and killed Fineman today. I hope that don’t start anything from his soldiers in Barbados

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  • GuyaneseGirl // September 27, 2008 at 1:47 AM

    Sorry, I don’t know how many of you want to listen to me. But honestly, I can understand the sensible people writing about immigration but there are some who are talking about my country as if they have lived there and experienced Guyanese politics and racism. Having lived in Guyana the majority of my life I can say that amongst normal citizens in my country there is no racism, we all live as Guyanese. Of course there are isolated peoples who are racist, every country has them. These are mainly people who lived during the race riots in the 60s. It’s difficult to get away from racism after a history of it, both against blacks and indians, but we’re trying and with every generation comes better understanding and unity. I won’t deny the corruption of politicians in Guyana, of course there is corruption, there is everywhere. However, you fail to note that in this history of racism against blacks in Guyana there is also a history of racism against Indians, directly involving the government. I am not defending illegal immigrants though I understand why some people would want to leave Guyana desperately; but for those of you who don’t know what you are talking about and are just listening to the propaganda (to use your words) being spread by Kean Gibson, please feel free to come and visit our country and find out the TRUTH and decide for yourself.

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  • lexicon // October 5, 2009 at 4:25 PM

    I am very upset about the way in which Bajans have been treating Guyanese, I am a Bajan and i want all Guyanese to know that I love you all if not for Guyana Bajan would be still live in old houses and using the outside bathroom.

    And I could say personally I have met many Guyaneses, and the one that I have met are much better the those prideful and arrogant Bajans walking about in Barbados with their head held hight think that their are somebody. we are all West Indian and if you see your fellow West indian in need you should help them. Thank you .

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