Submitted by Yardbroom

A few bloggers have said, a woman cannot be Prime Minister of Barbados. I am not sure if they mean a woman in general terms, or the present leader of the Barbados Labour Party. Regardless of which they mean, I am unable to make that bold presumption. The woman I would like to be in that position is not there yet…but there is time for her. I will therefore concentrate on Mia Mottley who is nearest.
It is true you do need a mentally strong woman, with intelligence, the ability to understand people and political nouse…which is required of all political leaders men and women. I do not think you can accuse the opposition leader of being deficient in those qualities. Maybe there are loyal party supporters who will disagree with me on that score, but general elections are not won solely by the party faithful. They are won, by the votes of that broad band or ordinary people who are not members of a particular party, their only interest in politics is good governance.
Women have been leaders in society for a long time. Some have been successors to their positions, others inherited them and many were elected. They have a rich history from the time of the:
Egyptian Queens from around 3000 BCE and the first to be named by the sources without doubt is Ku-baba who ruled the Mesopotamian City-State of Ur around 2500 BCE.
Source: Worldwide Guide to Women in Leadership
Others of more recent vintage are:
Tononu Vise of Abomey Benin (Africa) 1870-1889
Margaret Thatcher, UK
Dame Eugenia Charles, Dominica
Gro Harlem Brundtland, Norway
Benazir Bhutto, Pakistan
Sirimavo Ratwattee Dias Bandaranaike, Sri Lanka
Indira Gandhi, India
Golda Meir, Israel
Jenny Shipley, New Zealand
Helen Clark, New Zealand
Angela Merkel, Germany
Portia Simpson, Jamaica
The above are not in chronological order and the list is not complete, I have omitted a few, brevity dictates. I therefore put it to you that it is quite “possible” for Mia Mottley to become Prime Minister of Barbados. However, before that situation arises there are obstacles to be overcome. (If I can be mischievous for a moment. Also in attendance was the Prime Minister of Barbados Mia Mottley, you must admit it has a certain presence) She was a part of the last administration which was conclusively rejected by the electorate…in no uncertain manner.
Suppose I put forward the argument, there is a difference between being a leader in your own right and being a member of cabinet, with collective responsibility and all that entails. This line of argument is not to absolve Mia Mottley from blame. It is simply looking at the dynamics of politics and the need to form alliances and be part of the inner circle.
David Thompson is in the driving seat as good governance alone can see him through to another term in about five years. The recent election is too fresh and still will be at the time of the next election. Only a major disaster will change that situation. This disaster can be a failure of listening to the electorate.
I do not mean the advisors and pollsters or those with ready access to the media, who give us their views on all things – and do not brook dissent – or try to impress upon us their wisdom. As I have alluded to before, it is the ordinary people in Bridgetown and the country, those with no interest in politics or its machinations, but only want an orderly life, free of crime and the opportunity to work, and make a decent living for their families.
Politicians in office often make the mistake of not listening to the people, a failing brought on by the power of authority. In the same way as I have refrained from criticizing the DLP Government for their accused failings in the first half year of government. I have not criticized Mia Mottley for her part in the last Government. I can hear the sirens calls even now; how can you equate fourteen years with 6 months.
I cannot.
The BLP lost the election – they have paid the price – voter perception is not based on slide rule calculations, or accuracy. The other issues – and some say there are many – are for others to concern themselves with. I am only interested in leadership and the ability to infuse trust so people reward you with that position.
It is not the shoe-in yet for the DLP and David Thompson, in the next general election, but there is still quite a lot of work to be done by Mia Mottley if she wishes to become Prime Minister of Barbados. However, I would not quite write her off just yet. and I am sure David Thompson knows that.













58 responses so far ↓
The People's Democratic Congress // August 1, 2008 at 10:38 PM
It is this kind of paltry, superficial social political anaylsis that must be rejected by all right thinking persons in Barbados for what it really is – nothing but intellectual mishmash. For, any loose collection of thoughts like this that WILL TOTALLY IGNORE the theoritical and operational aspects of the variables of class/racial/religion/professional status in Barbados, etc., and the way how they perform between and among themselves – according to who/what is/are the subject/s of the effort/the totality of their environments, and altogether that WILL TOTALLY IGNORE TOO the very important contributions of these to the emergence, growth and, if so, descent of political leaders in Barbados, will have to be truly seen – we dare say – as one of the starkest elements of disturbing evidence now existing in Barbados of the country going deeper and deeper into some sort of intellectual and political crisis. No wonder the writer is in their conclusion very ambiguous about where the BLP leader is heading – up or down!!
Too, it is absolute rubbish for the writer to attempt an evaluation of the leader of the BLP without looking at some circumstances in which persons historically in Barbados have been manipulated against one another, into or out of the constitutional office of Opposition Leader, for advantageous or disadvantageous reasons – even when it was thought by many of the relevant people that these party leaders were or were NOT going to be Prime Minister, in which case they eventually did or did NOT become Prime Minister. Cases in point, the late Sir Harold St. John, Sir Henry Forde, Mr. Owen Arthur, Mr. Clyde Mascoll, and Mr. David Thompson. This slice of thought does show that they are intervening variables and that are influenced or driven by internal or external forces to the party that help prevent certain party leaders from becoming prime ministers.
Also, it is this kind of conservative status quoish thinking that is indicating that they are some few people in Barbados who are hell bent on foisting their own false and destructive beliefs on as many people in Barbados as possible, i.e, that the BLP and the DLP are the only two parties that we have in Barbados and that do serve up political leaders in this country at this stage. Contrary to such folly, the fact is that there are four parties in Barbados: DLP, BLP, PDC, and PEP, each with its own leader – Mr. David Thompson, Miss Mia Mottley, Mr. Mark Adamson and Mr David Commissiong, respectively. And, the fact, too, is that – where we are concerned – PDC is NOT going to be another PDM, PPM, NDP or whatever – short term parties. Surely NOT!! For, our aim is to win governmental power in this country on the behalf of the masses and middle classes of people of this country, and the country as a whole.
Finally, when gender takes on greater significance in any attempt to analyse the emergence of a political leader of a party – a female one that – in Barbados, it cannot be discounted that sex, class, race, religion, and professional status and their relatives are and must be also seen as central and underlying features in any such analysis or lack thereof. Therefore, one cannot reasonably deal with gender without understanding that gender was created on the basis of masculinity and class. Thus, it is really time to really stop this alphabetical neophytic piffling that is parading for proper reasoned analysis!!
PDC
anotherview // August 2, 2008 at 1:03 AM
Mottley is turning out to be one of the most written about politician in this era. Whether it is a good thing I dont know.
Wishing In Vain // August 2, 2008 at 1:56 AM
She is being written about beacuse she is moraless and corrupt, any other questions??
Wishing In Vain // August 2, 2008 at 2:02 AM
I just returned from watching along with about 15,000 others a wonderful Pic of the Crop finals.
We witnessed a wonderful feat in a man from the long neglected paraish of ST .JOHN the PARISH THAT OUR HON PRIME MINISTER MR .DAVID THOMPSON REPRESENTS being crowned the winner of a keenly conteasted event.
His second sound destroyed the others and as he was building his head of steam the RPB was losing his way in his little heard or known of second sound.
My congrats go out to Adrian for a well earned result, no offence to RPB his performance was not as it sdhould have been in his second attempt.
A great event with a great result.
Tony Hall // August 2, 2008 at 3:09 AM
Mia Mottley is a good politician but after what Barbados had to go through in the last 8 years under the BLP reign with all the corruption it will be a bit difficult for her to become PM. I am not saying that it is impossible. But wait, sorry, she is about to be overthrown soon!!!
David // August 2, 2008 at 7:50 AM
@Tony Hall
Are you saying that with Dale Marshall as Deputy and George Payne known to be his mentor that this will spell problems? Be specific if you, what challenges will she have to overcome?
The Scout // August 2, 2008 at 7:51 AM
I see Mia is trying to change her image, this would go a long way in her favour. At this point in time David is disappointing many people, it is still time to tighten up his performance and gain the government in the next elections, as bajans usually give each party a minimum of ten years> However this is not written in stone aqnd unless David can do something to correct the imbalance in the locals against the illegals, he might have to deal with that in the next election, even though it was a problem he inherited.
Wishing In Vain // August 2, 2008 at 9:22 AM
I see Mia is trying to change her image, this would go a long way in her favour.
I would respectfully suggest to you that Barbadians are not as shallow as you are trying to make them out to be.
No changing of a hairstyle and wearing of makeup can change the publics knowledge of her deviant and disgusting style and manner.
Lets be honest she is a vicious evil person, who has used your taxpayers money to provide jobs for all her female you may call them her Lesbian friends I will call them her female friends at the expense of qualified capable educated persons that are more suited to these jobs but because of her female to female relationships they took the post up.
Even recently and while relegated to the seat in opposition, she has tried to used her spent power to bully person as was evidenced with her withdrawing a contract from MR NORMAN BARROW OF A AND B SOUND SUPPLIES to supply the sound system at the Southern Conference, and his only crime was to be seen attending Parliament, this is a place that each and every Barbadian has the right to freely attend.
Now tell me if she is a bully and tell me if she is not a vicious disgusting nasty minded animal ?????????
J // August 2, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Cheeze-on-bread Wishing In Vain. Yah being real hard on Mia man!!! Cuh dear man.!!!Summuch lashes in a festive season???
Wishing In Vain // August 2, 2008 at 1:04 PM
The festive season for me is Christmas so therefore I will not address her on Christmas Day , but I can assure you that any other day is open season to hunt it down.
She does provide so many shooting opportunities to take aim at her and pluck her out.
Mia will never be PM in Barbados // August 3, 2008 at 2:59 AM
Ms. Mottley,
Talented as she is, will never be the PM of Barbados for at least 2 reasons.
I will mention one: Her lifestyle.
While she may getaway with it while being an MP in the former governing party, as national leader, the scales change.
The second reason I will not mention because if I do, this will give her an apportunity to adapt and then have a strong chance of becoming PM.
I hold no ill feelings for Ms. Mottley, in fact her attempted new exterior image suits her well and has her looking quite beautiful.
But Ms. Mottley’s being PM would be disastrous for Barbados in more ways than one.
evanchef // August 4, 2008 at 3:02 AM
I honestly would not like her to become, P.M of Barbados because of her ungodly lifestlye. Yet we must all admit that God has the ability to change any one! Our P.M is chosen first in the heavenly realm, and then by us the people. Nothing happens by accident, and GOD knowsbest.
Still I am one who believe, that sacrifices have to made if we want gain. I am willing to give David a chance, simply because this is the time that hes been appointed to him by my ABBA! I see Mia as the catalyst being use by GOD, to push David in to his purpose! Yes RPB!You are right all eyes would be on Mr. Thompson. Watch how he becomes the best, or one of the best P.Ms, this nation ever had.
To Evanchef // August 4, 2008 at 2:59 PM
Dear Evanchef,
Be careful how you interprest scripture. Yes, there are times when God chooses a leader. For example, David, Solomon and many of the Kings of Judah.
But did He choose the kings of Israel? All of them were evil – Every one!
Getting back to modern times. Did God choose Adolf Hitler? Idi Amin? And a whole host of tyrants through the ages?
We are living in DEMOCRATIC not a THEOCRATIC ststem.
The scout // August 4, 2008 at 9:37 PM
If I’m not mistaken, Mia is younger than David and unless she’s removed as opposition leader, when the party is removed in 10 to 15 yrs, she would be the next P.M. Never say never, the same thing was said about David. I would not want to see any party in government longer than 10 yrs. Fifteen, maybe with a radical change of leadership.
Mia will never be PM in Bdos // August 5, 2008 at 9:08 AM
Scout,
You made a good point but I think you are missing something.
It’s easier for a PM to hold on as leader (especially if he/she has a good hold of the majority seats in the House.
When in opposition it is not so easy. Ask the current PM; ask Clyde Mascoll; Henry Forde. If the late Bree St. John were alive he would tell you too.
The BLP does not revolve around Mia Mottley. I fail to see young talented aspiring leaders sit around and wait on Ms. Mottley to win an election.
The scout // August 5, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Mia will never
The young Dems waited around until David did. You see, I’m neither D nor B, I see things as they unfold. Whether you or I like it, it is poossible. The very thought bothers me but I don’t count out the possibility.
evanchef // August 6, 2008 at 2:05 AM
To J.
Did Jesus not hand pick Judas Iscariot? Did God not choose King Saul? Did God not allowed Nebuchadnezzar to rule over his belived Israel?
Didn’t God allowed Pharoh to be in charge of the Israelites in the time of Moses?
I can go on all night, but you still would be lacking. As I said before, nothing happens in this world by accident! Yahweh has a mind that we can not even begin to comprehend? Oh isn’t written that Satan would rule the earth for one thousand years?
Mia will never be PM in Bdos // August 6, 2008 at 10:40 AM
Scout,
I think you are mistaken. No one waited around on the current PM. Do you forget the turmoil he went through?
Generally speaking, yes, anything is possible. But I really don’t see Mia clinching it. I don’t think she has national appeal anyway.
Wishing In Vain // August 6, 2008 at 11:04 AM
To be a leader one needs to operate from sound judgment and decision making and from what she has displayed her decision making is badly corrupted, we have evidence of he lack of understanding of the issues of CWC and her sillyness of the visa requirement, her overspending and having nothing to show for it in Edutech, her stint as Culture Minister was a fiasco that in fairness to Owing he realised and extracted her from her mess.
Every ministry she has molested is still trying to recover from her abuse.
I have not even touched on her lack of morals or her lack of virtue, or her lack of standards those require a day set aside to address such issues.
Georgie Porgie // August 6, 2008 at 12:24 PM
evanchef
Where is it written that Satan would rule the earth for one thousand years? NOWHERE!
Read it again please!
Satan will be locked away for 1000 years during the millennial reign of Christ as foretold by the Old Testament prophets.
evanchef // August 6, 2008 at 9:26 PM
georgie porgie , my bad! your right.
evanchef // August 6, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Hey J!
I got you right here, check this out b!
Romans 13:1-2 ” all of you must obey the Government ruler. No one rules unless GOD has given him the power to rule. And no one rules now with out that power from GOD.
2] So if any oneis against the government, he is really against what GOD has command. And so he brings punishment on his self.
NOTHING ADDED OR DELETED! P.S I had to right it out because I don’t want to disappoint Georgie Porgie! be bless any way.
evanchef // August 6, 2008 at 10:10 PM
that should be : P.S I had to write it out.
To Evanclef // August 7, 2008 at 7:35 AM
I warned you above about quoting scatter-shot scriptual verses.
You aeem to suggest above that all govermental heads are placed there by God. Well, if that is the case, please explain Acts 5:29.
To make it easier on our readers, I’ll paraphrase from the KJV: “……we ought to obey God rather than man”
While you’re at it, you can also explain Acts 4:19 where there was a direct collision between religion and the law.
Eddie
evanchef // August 8, 2008 at 1:36 AM
Eddie!
READ THE TEXT BUDDIE, READ IT! IT IS NOT MY WORDS, SO ARE YOU CALLING GOD A LIER? IF NOT THEN EXPLAIN ROMANS 13;1&2 TO ME. I AM GAME! AND ALSO TAKE THE TIME TO EXPLAIN EPHESIANS6:5 AND 1PETER 2:18&19.
evanchef // August 8, 2008 at 2:32 AM
eddie
clearly you are only taking out wwhat suits you , but I believe that you should let the readers know, that because GOD is the higher authority, as in the case of ACTS 4: 19, YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO BE TOTALLY SUBMISSIVE TO GOD. In this text the leaders of the day was asking Peter & John to forsake Jesus The Christ, in other words their wanted the apostles to denied Christ.
let me ask you a question. if you are working in afirm and your CEO/GM ask you to drive the company van for the next two days, but your immediate supervisor comes along and insist you work inside for the next two days. the supervisor insists even though you explain to him/her, that you directive from the CEO/GM is to drive for the next two days. Tell me which one do you obey?
The CEO/GM of course! You take that risk of being reported by the supervisor for disciplinary action. Why? Because the CEO/GM has the power to appoint or removed the supervisor, because like you she is a sorbordinate to the CEO/GM, so his/her request is then secondary to the EO/GM.
The same is with GOD and earthly rulers. regardless of religion, creed, rightiousness, evilnes, color, leaders cannot ascend to leadership, unless GOD allowed it to happen. Now that may seems tough to swallow, but like you, I two can not gasp the wisdom of GOD and his infinite ways, but i can trust him to do what he is doing, because he is the greatest planner.
Sometimes and much to often, we complain to GOD, WE BOMBARD hIM WITH OUR WANTS & NEEDS. Sometimes it is not his will for us, so GOD SOMETIMES GIVES US OVER TO OUR DESIRES!
So this brings us back to your question; if GOD is trully responsible for appointments of leaders, why did he set up men like ADOLF HITLER, IDI AMIM, HUSSAIN, BUSH? WHICH I CAN TELL YOU BE, BUT ALL I KNOW GOD IS STILL ON THE THRONE, and i has faith iin him.
The Devil's Advocate // August 9, 2008 at 2:20 PM
i am neither for or against, time will tell. Those who are against Ms. Mottley seem to be stuck on her lifestyle. Since when does lifestyle come into it? Because she is female?
Look at some of the men we have made Prime Minister. Were their morals above board?
Someone wrote about Ms. Mottley allegedly hiring her lesbian friends etc, etc, but what does that have to do with running a country? Male Prime Ministers can beat their wives, have children out of wedlock, drink excessively but it is not perceived as a problem. Hypocritically we believe that women must function at a higher level morally than men. Perhaps Ms. Mottley is simply behaving like the man you say she is………..you can’t have it both ways.
To Evanclef // August 9, 2008 at 3:15 PM
Hello Evanclef,
Just responding to your last paragraph.
On the contrary, I never said or intimated that God set up tyrants like Hitler, etc. I don’t think a God of love would do such a thing.
Overall, what I am saying is that God is not responsible for every person who leads. Man has freedom of choice and can do as he pleases.
I have to leave right now and will respond to your scriptural texts later.
Bye of now.
Eddie
Someone said the 'BLP Stalwart' // August 9, 2008 at 4:57 PM
WIV I must come to one conclusion. Your envy for Mia is so deep-seated that she can do no good for you. There will come a time when people like you will pay for dishonesty. Sadly, because you are a wolf in sheep’s clothing or rather a sheep in wolf’s clothing, you would have tremendous difficulty assessing your own moral ineptitudes far less those of Mia’s. Back off, and let a modicum of honesty flow. At least it can be the catalyst for a new beginning. More power to Mia!
Waiting In Vain // August 9, 2008 at 5:32 PM
This can only be expected to take place when mottley gives respect to other females and do not disrespect them by beating them to a frazzle and having them admitted to the QEH.
SHE IS NOT DESERVING OF RESPECT FROM EVEN A DOG IN THE YARD, THEY EARN MORE RESPECT THAN THIS MORALESS THING CALLED MOTTLEY.
Guess what you and all your parety knows that she is a lame duck Opposition Leader with people lining up to displace her. Are you one of them in the queue????
Waiting In Vain // August 9, 2008 at 5:33 PM
At least it can be the catalyst for a new beginning.
The New beginning came on the 15 th Jan with the eviction of you and your corruption from office.
Someone said the 'BLP Stalwart' // August 9, 2008 at 6:54 PM
WIV, it is almost as you are lost for words. Please bring a proper case based on facts and not idle sentiments. One truth about the way political parties work and the way their leaders perceive followers — someone remains in waiting! The key is to do a good job, know your strengths, acknowledge your weaknesses, and work on them. I suppose that I am asking you, do you know who is ready to clutch power from David besides Mia and us on this side? Unlike your handle, the waiting will not be in vain. Next week’s headlines — Dems at internal war again!
To Evanclef // August 9, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Hello again Evanclef,
Sorry about the delay. I wasn’t able to respond to you before.
I will try to answer in blocks to make it easier to read:
God setting up governments
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You are correct, the Bible does give credence to this in the book of Romans chapter 13. However, we must go into the context and historicity of the verses.
The institution of government was designed by God; He set it up for the protection and benefit of man; if man rebels against it, he is in actuality rebelling against God’s IDEAL institution
However, there will be times when the laws of God and the laws of man WILL CONFLICT. What should we do in this case? The book of Acts say: “…we must obey God rather than man” Acts 4:19, 5:29
Hence, even though govenment was designed and is authorised by God for man’s benefit, THERE WILL BE TIMES WHEN THE SYSTEM WILL BE ABUSED BY EVIL MEN/WOMEN.
(Did God authoruise these people to legalise ungodly laws? or to rule in an ungodly way? No! But because the system has been abused and becuase some ungodly people (not all) will be government leaders you will have problems within government. In others words, ALL LEADERS HAVE NOT BEEN ORDAINED BY GOD – But the system has been!
HISTORICITY
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In the time of Paul, the Jews were on the rampage in different parts of the Roman Empire and in Israel. In fact, in the year AD70, Jerusalem would be destroyed
For Christians to display such an unsubmissive spirit would put them in the same peril that would come to the Jews. Paul therefore was encouraging Christians to be good citizens; to reslpect and uphold the law. The same is applicable to us today.
To Evanclef // August 9, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Hello again Evanclef,
Sorry about the delay. I wasn’t able to respond to you before.
I will try to answer in blocks to make it easier to read:
God setting up governments
————————————–
You are correct, the Bible does give credence to this in the book of Romans chapter 13. However, we must go into the context and historicity of the verses.
The institution of government was designed by God; He set it up for the protection and benefit of man; if man rebels against it, he is in actuality rebelling against God’s IDEAL institution
However, there will be times when the laws of God and the laws of man WILL CONFLICT. What should we do in this case? The book of Acts say: “…we must obey God rather than man” Acts 4:19, 5:29
Hence, even though govenment was designed and is authorised by God for man’s benefit, THERE WILL BE TIMES WHEN THE SYSTEM WILL BE ABUSED BY EVIL MEN/WOMEN.
(Did God authoruise these people to legalise ungodly laws? or to rule in an ungodly way? No! But because the system has been abused and becuase some ungodly people (not all) will be government leaders you will have problems within government. In others words, ALL LEADERS HAVE NOT BEEN ORDAINED BY GOD – But the system has been!
HISTORICITY
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In the time of Paul, the Jews were on the rampage in different parts of the Roman Empire and in Israel. In fact, in the year AD70, Jerusalem would be destroyed
For Christians to display such an unsubmissive spirit would put them in the same peril that would come to the Jews. Paul therefore was encouraging Christians to be good citizens; to reslpect and uphold the law. The same is applicable to us today.
Eddie
To Evanclef // August 9, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Evanclef,
Sorry for sending the above aritcle twice. That was a mistake.
I’ll now attempt to answer your queries on the two remaining texts.
EPHESIANS 6:5
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“Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh with fear and trembling in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ” KJV(Ironically, this is a text that was used during the institution of slavery here in th West to keep the slaves into submission – another misuse, misuderstanding or abuse of scripture)
Evanclef, firstly this text has NOTHING to do with obeying goverment officials. I think I dealt with this matter above. I am only responding to this text because you mentioned it to support your point on all governments being set up by God.
In order to understand scripture, you must “read here a little and there a little” and go into depths.
The text exhorts slaves to be obedient to their masters. In this case, the word servant in Greek is “douloi” – which means slaves!
Roman society was built on slavery. Even some Christans were slave masters. It was not that Paul was supporting slavery. He wanted the slaves to exert a positive Christian attitude to their masters in an effort to win them over. The majority of people in the Roman Empire were slaves.
Eddie
To Evanclef // August 9, 2008 at 9:24 PM
“” Servants be subject to your masters will all fear………..” 1 Peter 2:18,19
The context is the same as mentioned above, and again has NOTHING to do with governments being set up by God.
The Greek word here for servant is “Oiketai” with refers to a “domestic slave”. This type of slave was one who worked in the house of his master and in many cases was fairly close to the master and his family and was treated well. This type of slave was uusally better of than free peasants.
Peter, like Paul was encouraging the “Oiketai” or dometic slave to serve their masters cheerfully, with a loving heart. Should this be done, it would prove a strong part in winning the maters over to Christ
Eddie
To Evanclef - In short // August 9, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Evanclef
I’ll summarise what I’m saying:
1. Yes, the instutution of government was set up
by God.
2. Government was set up by God to be
adminstered by man for man’s benefit
3. Although the intitution was set up by man,
there will be some within the system (leaders)
who do not have the fear of God or care
about Godly things. These have NOT been
placed there by God, but He allowed them
to take office
4. God has no part to play in the passing of
ungodly and revolting laws. For example
legalising of homosexuality; Gay marriages,
slavery. The list of ungodly laws can go on,
and on.
5. Where there is a clashing of God’s laws
(requirement) and man’s laws, GOD’S LAWS
ARE TO BE OBEYED
Eddie
The Devil // August 9, 2008 at 10:45 PM
What are God’s laws? Those instructions in the Bible, the Koran, the Bahavagita or Dianetics or …? Oh read Leviticus 25:44-46. God didn’t have a problem with slavery back then.
Contrary to what is being argued by some posters, secular societies are far more moral than religious societies.
What are God's laws?" // August 10, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Devil,
(Q) “What are God’s laws?”
(A) Depends on which God you’re serving.
Eddie
The Devil // August 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Eddie
omigosh, are you a trojan? LOL. so in a society made up of people “serving” different gods (and your comment implies that there are different gods!) somebody got to disobey a god.
Right now I am totally stressed as I listen to Brasstacks, watch the basketball game at the Olympics and post on BU!
Wishing In Vain // August 10, 2008 at 9:19 PM
This is a person that makes Barbados his holiday destination.
Villa in Nice is world’s most expensive house
The Villa Léopolda, one of the most sumptuous and legendary estates on the Côte d’Azur, has been sold to a Russian billionaire for €500m (£390m), smashing the record for the most expensive house in the world.
The cream-coloured villa, set in 20 acres of gardens overlooking Cap Ferrat, near Villefranche-sur-Mer, was originally built for King Leopold II of Belgium.
Its new owner is said to be a Russian oil oligarch but not – despite rumours on the internet – Roman Abramovich, the owner of Chelsea FC, who already owns a €100m mansion near Antibes.
According to the Nice-Matin newspaper a contract was signed last week to transfer ownership of the villa from Lily Safra, the widow of Edmond Safra, the Lebanese-Jewish banking billionaire who was murdered by his male nurse in Monaco in 1999. The new owner, who will take possession next month, is reported by a property lawyer in Nice to be a Russian billionaire who wishes to remain anonymous.
The price paid for the sprawling estate, which once belonged to the Agnelli family, founders of Fiat, has caused a flutter of excitement – and even disgust – on the French Mediterranean coast.
The new Russian super-rich have been jostling one another to buy large properties on the Côte d’Azur in recent years but previous sale prices have never exceeded €200m. The highest house price officially recorded is the £100m paid by the Indian steel magnate Lakshmi Mittal for a mansion in Kensington Palace Gardens last year. The unnamed Russian billionaire has paid almost four times as much for the Villa Léopolda.
The price is said to reflect Mme Safra’s initial unwillingness to sell and the determination of the Russian super-rich to be seen to be paying stratospheric amounts for holiday homes in the south of France.
“It has become surreal,” one estate agent told the newspaper Le Parisien. “You daren’t offer these people a house which costs less than €100m or they boot you out… and not very politely.”
King Leopold II, who built a fortune from the brutal exploitation of Congo as a “private estate”, owned almost all the land at Cap Ferrat at the end of the 19th century. In 1902, he bought an extra 20 acres of scrubland just above the sea at Villefranche-sur-Mer for a nominal one franc. On this spot, then regarded as unfashionable, he built the Villa Léopolda as a summer retreat.
In 1916, his nephew and heir, King Albert I, turned the villa into a hospital for officers wounded during the First World War.
It later passed into the hands of the Agnelli family and became the scene for legendary jet-set parties in the 1960s, attended by, amongst others, Frank Sinatra and Ronald Reagan. The grounds are regarded as the most spectacular on the Côte d’Azur: 50 full-time gardeners look after 20 acres of gardens and terraces, planted with 1,200 olive, orange, lemon and cypress trees.
The villa, midway between Monaco and Nice, looks across the Villefranche bay at Cap Ferrat, which has become one of the world’s most sought-after pieces of real estate. Nice-Matin, citing legal sources, said that 60 of the villas or mansions on Cap Ferrat are now owned by Russians.
Villa Léopolda has been rumoured to be on, and off, the market ever since Edmond Safra’s murder. Lily Safra, was rumoured to have sold the villa to Bill Gates, the Microsoft founder, for €75m three years ago but the reports came to nothing.
evanchef // August 11, 2008 at 1:45 AM
Hi Eddie
greetings in the name of our lord and savour Jesus Christ. I must appologies to you beacuse i thought, that you were actually J at first! Funny though how we started this out, as though we were on different pages, but our GOD is great!
I agree with your summary, you articulate it well, and you actually see the point that, I am trying to put accross.
However you did not see the reson why I mentioned Eph. 6:5 & 1 Peter 2 : 18, 19. My reasons here was to show about leadership , perhaps in another form of ” governance”. All is authority, and how God directs us to deal with authority, rather it is good or unkind to us.
The same can be said of the type of Goverment we are talking about and leadership of a country. We are supose to uphold our leaders, rather it is the P.M and his government or the Opposition leaders and her team, we are require as believers of the MOST HIGH GOD TO LIFT THEM UP BEFORE GOD. Regardless of thier shortcomings, their bad decisions etc. Like an employer who might has wrong some one, we have to remember that some how God play a role in that person being authoritive over us. take Daniel for example, he served some wicked kings but he did what was right and what God required of him. He was able to bring about change not only for himself, but for those kings, well at least Nebuchadnezzar, Daniel 4. Now Romans 13:1,2; Eph6:5; &1Peter2:18&19 can all be seen in Daniel experience.
finally the Bible tells us that when we agree on something, and ask for it in Jesus name, it should be given. Now to deny that ,GOD has given the people what they ask for, is being double minded.As i said brfore nothing happens by accident, sometimes God give us what we desire even though it is his desires for us. Then we learn the hard way. Like my Pastor Always say, “the way of the trangressor is hard!”
So my question to you, my brother is: Do you believe that this is a wind of change blowing accross this region, or the hands of God?
evanchef // August 11, 2008 at 2:00 AM
TO the Devil
why do you ask questions that you have answers to? After all if you are who you say you are , you would know who cast you out of the KINGDOM OF GOD; WHO GAVE YOU A WHIPPING OVER 2000 years ago; who took the keys from you; who’s feet you are under; who is waiting to cast you and your deminic crew in to pit of fire.
Of course if you know all of that, then you will Know the TRUTH! If you know the truth, then you would know that ther is only one God, and his laws, his words are all recorde in one book and one book alone. THAT IS THE HOLY BIBLE! Now lol @ that.
To Evanclef // August 11, 2008 at 9:06 AM
Hello Evanclef,
Thanks for your sentiments.
I can’t answer you now, but I’ll read your post a above in detail later in the day and get back to you.
Eddie
evanchef // August 11, 2008 at 12:47 PM
To Eddie
Thet is ok, looking forward to reading you reply later. Peace !
evanchef // August 11, 2008 at 12:49 PM
To Eddie
that is ok, looking for your reply later. Peace!
The Devil // August 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM
Evanchef
As one of my better (or it is more evil?!) jinnis you false piety is quite beguiling, well done. It didn’t help Jippy though.
Eddie, you did not challenge the written word that your god has a liking for slavery (contrary to your post).
I shall leave you two to mutually titillate each other.
sincerely
The Morning Star
To Evanclef // August 11, 2008 at 6:29 PM
Evanclef,
Have been busy today. Not able to deal with blogging matters. Will get back to you later.
Devil/Morning Star
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Are you the Devil or Morning Star (Jesus Christ)? You can’t be both!
Do you believe that God has a liking for slavery? Where can you find God instututing slavery?
How did it come about? Why was it tolerated?
If you can answer these questions then the issue is solved
Eddie
The Devil // August 11, 2008 at 7:59 PM
From Wikipaedia
“Lucifer is a name frequently given to Satan in Christian belief because of a particular interpretation of a passage in the Book of Isaiah. More specifically, it is supposed to have been Satan’s name before being cast out of heaven.
In Latin, the word “Lucifer”, meaning “Light-Bringer” (from lux, lucis, “light”, and ferre, “to bear, bring”), is a name for the “Morning Star” (the planet Venus in its dawn appearances)”.
This aside, I like the idea of being both the devil and the Christ at the same time. This suggests that within us lies the potential to be good or bad. There is in every person a struggle between these two personalities. Which one dominates is the question we each must answer and decisively so!
Eddie wrote
“4. God has no part to play in the passing of
ungodly and revolting laws. For example
legalising of homosexuality; Gay marriages,
slavery. The list of ungodly laws can go on,
and on.”
I pointed out that in Leviticus 25: 44 – 46, instructions as who the Israelites may choose as slaves and their status as property is clearly ennunciated. Any questions to be answered should be done by you. Since I do not regard the Bible as a reliable and absolute guideline for my behaviour or as to what social mores or values I should support, it is not my concern as to what is meant there. It is for those who would use the Bible as an inerrant guide, to deal with the contradictions therein.
BTW, lest a joke is taken too far my full name is: ‘The Devil is in the Details’.
evanchef // August 12, 2008 at 2:07 AM
to the devil,
I’ll keep you in my prays, just as I would keep, keep REV. Jippy & the young girl in my prays.
Let me say to you that my GOD, Jehovah the one true living God. The creator of heaven and earth, the Alpha and Omega, begining and end. Is a loving GOD, A forgiving GOD, A caring GOD, but if i was you, on the real I would watch what I say , what I write, your very thoughts ! Remember that as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he! Remember that there is life and death in the tongue!
Remember that light and darkness cannot, or doesnot coexist. So you can think of that. you see this as a joke, you think that you can poke fun at christianity, well all have to say to you is enjoy yourself, but remember thatwe would all be judge for our actions and deeds.
Maybe Eddie and myself are fools, but that is alright with me because I understand all so well, that one has to become foolish to embraced the wisdom of GOD! In my foolish state, I learn how to become humble, I understand that I AM NOTHING,and in God there is every thing I NEED! So I learn how to run after GOD, regardless of what people like your self might think!
You are having a bellyfull laughing at Rev Doyle, in his lowest time. Let US say he did commit this grave sin, WHY DON’T YOU GO HEAD AND HAVE FUN. Just remember that any of us could be in a similar position tomorrow!
GOD can and does use the worst of us, because he loves all of us, and if we only allowed him to come in, we would see supernatural things, tranformation completely.
SO TAKE THE DEVIL OUT OF THE DETAILS OF YOUR LIFE, AND LET god GIVE YOU HEAD LINES. MY FRIEND WHO EVER YOU ARE WHY DON’T YOU REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NEAR! Enough said for the morning, hope you have devotions on this. think it through before you reply, cause this is an invitation to life. bounce, bounce I now pass the ball to you, lets see what play you make.
yours in christ Evanchef
the web evangelist, blogging bout JESUS CHRIST FOR LIFE
The Devil // August 12, 2008 at 6:32 AM
Evanchef
I get no enjoyment out of Doyle’s misfortune. One wonders if any of his supporters spent as much time admonishing Doyle about his conduct as they now do admonishing his detractors.
I don’t poke fun at Christianity (maybe some Christians) but I am well aware of the enormous influence of religion on human development.
Oh, people (including myself) do foolish things but the knowledge as to whether any person is a fool is really beyond me.
The “devil” is in the details of all our lives. If not wouldn’t that make us perfect? I know I’m not perfect, for sure!
Finally, laugh, it’s good for you! Thanks for your well wishes.
Technician // August 12, 2008 at 12:39 PM
@ Evanchef
Are you a Jehovah’s Witness by any chance?
evanchef // August 13, 2008 at 1:55 AM
To Technician
I believe in GOD , The Father , Son and The H oly Ghost ! I don’t fuss about religion, rather for me is about relationship. Remember that Jesus warn us that who figure there know him, will be told go from before me cause I know you not!I love my Lord, and as you can see there is a passion inside of me for Jesus Christ. I know that you are curious because I mention Jehovah, and yes I am here witnessing for him. But I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AGAIN AT THE WATER IN THE GLASS, BEFORE DRINKING IT!
Technician every believer, is commission to witness for THE KINGDOM OF GOD. We are sent to make diciples of all natons, to baptize them in the name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost. We are to teach about every command Jesus Thaught. So yes I am witness for Jehovah but not a follower of Charles T Russell, Joseph Franklin Rutherford, Nathan H Knorr,Federic Franz, Milton G Henschel, or M H Larson. I don’t add neither do I take away from the Bible. Does that answer your question? Now how about you, do you know Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior? Do you have, or wish to persue a personal relationship with Him?
evanchef // August 13, 2008 at 2:24 AM
to D.I.D. O. Y.L.
I refuse to adress you as the devil, any more. Yes I do laugh,and it is good for for me. But as I said before ther are some things and some times when you have to be serious.
Good to know that you don’t get any enjoyment, out of the Rev. Jippy Doyle issue. And no I am not a Jippy Doyle follower, but I am a brother in Christ! and believe me I believe restoration. And yes I will pray for Doyles restoation.
But I know that I touched a nerve, and I sincerely hope that my words would be in your head, and that they would bring convition
evanchef // August 13, 2008 at 2:27 AM
ah ah its time to go to bed! have a good day, later
To: Devil // August 13, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Devil,
You seem to be widely read.
In the Book of Acts, Acts 26: 24, Festus tells Paul”….thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.”
Just thought I would use that as an analogy, for you are certainly not mad.
I would gladly go into the subject of slavery with you, as found in the Old Testament. However, would it make a difference to you? You obviously don’t seem to have much confidence in the Bible.
But you see, that’s where we depart. Unashamedly, that is where I put my trust; it is my source of security.
Read widely, but just be careful.
By the way, you mentioned that you don’t “regard the Bible as an absolute and RELIABLE guideline” and that there are contradictions in this Book.
May I ask, what is your source of guidance? Which books do you use?
Evanclef
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I know I have to get back to you on an ealier post of yours.
Hope to do so later in the day.
Eddie
The Devil // August 13, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Eddie
On any given issue which requires some action or position on my part, I try to gather all relevant data before acting. This may come from many different sources and rarely from a single source/book. Of course there must be some underlying philosophical approach. For me a rational approach via the scientific method is appropriate. On matters of human relations I start with the simple position “to do unto others as I would wish done unto me” coupled with the objective “to do no harm to others.” I am not so arrogant as to suggest that I always get it right and sometimes (often) one must revisit your position in the light of new information. The Bible (as well as the other major works of religion e.g The Koran, The Torah etc) are obiviously huge influences on human thinking. However, since the Age of Enlightenment which gave us the scientific method, the ideas of liberal democracy and individual rights, society has broadened its sources of guidance on all matters affecting human society.
ru4real // August 14, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Windbag in Pain
Your constant knocking of Ms Mottley does you no credit atall Its plain as the nose on your face you is soooooooooooooo jealous of dat feisty gal!
Go get yurself some Bisodol.