Similarly, it has to worry the small Caribbean island, Barbados, that Venezuela claims that a recent offshore oil bidding round by Barbados violates the maritime border with Venezuela. Venezuela is a not a signatory to the UN Convention of the Law of the Sea. The Barbados Foreign Ministry has said that the bid does not infringe on the rights of any other state. Chavez may be helping some Latin American and Caribbean countries through the crunch of high oil prices with his PetroCaribe arrangements, but his military build-up will cause them great unsettlement as well.
Source: Jamaican Observer
Based on our count ten of the fifteen members of CARICOM are signatories to the PetroCaribe Agreement. After reading Sir Ronald Saunder’s article we are left to question the effectiveness of CARICOM. The PetroCaribe Initiative has been discussed exhaustively and if viewed in the context of the preferential payment it rewards its members, we have to say it is a sweet deal. To prove our point, a Reuters report confirmed that the Caribbean currently imports 450,000 bdp of oil, Venezuela supplies 190,000 bdp of oil and products to the Caribbean and Central America as part of the PetroCaribe arrangement. What the dependence on PetroCaribe has done is to make the CARICOM region hugely indebted to Venezuela. As the price of oil rises (although falling in recent days) the indebtedness to Venezuela by CARICOM countries signed-on to PetroCaribe will rise.
The growing concessional financing provided by President Chevez combined with his ideologue should start to concern leaders in CARICOM. In the case of Barbados the challenge to two Offshore Blocks out of twenty six has been labeled a hostile act by Venezuela. We have listened to the response from Minister of Foreign Affairs Chris Sinkler but what recourse is there for Barbados? Remember that Venezuela is not a signatory to the UN Convention of the Law of the Sea. We read recently that Venezuela has purchased millions of dollars in military aircraft and other weapons.
We have so far established the influence which Venezuela currently has over most of the members of CARICOM because of PetroCaribe. We have established the military might of Venezuela, all the time cognizant that Venezuela is a ‘dictatorship’. It is no secret that Chevez sees himself as a ‘Castro’ and has tried unsuccessfully to change the constitution of Venezuela to make him President for life. Also we need to remember that Venezuela is not a signatory to the UN Convention of the Law of the Sea.
The final point to our argument is to highlight that Petrotrin (Trinidad) has had to improve it refinery operations to gain entry to non-CARICOM markets. Petrotrin was severely affected by the CARICOM countries defecting to PetroCaribe and had to retool to penetrate new markets. According to reports Petrotrin has made the adjustment and in the prevailing world market conditions is doing quite well. It is ironic that Trinidad removed the Common External Tariff (CET) on petroleum products which has allowed Venezuela to avoid additional costs to PetroCaribe members.
Should we not have a ONE CARICOM foreign trade policy?
What CARICOM what!?!














35 responses so far ↓
The scout // August 12, 2008 at 6:59 AM
What Caricom What
Barbadian Andrew Hinds who trained in Jamaica was denied training with the squad in China. Why? Because he is a bajan. What Caricom What?
John // August 12, 2008 at 8:43 AM
The Scout
I understood it slightly different …. it was because he wasn’t a Jamaican!!!!!!!!!!!!
Same thing … only different!!
Caricom and CSME are for politicians to mouth off about and use to try to hide their, and our, own utter failure in the management of our countries.
The only form of integration which exists but is rapidly going is in West Indies Cricket, … and that integration is entirely the making of our former colonial masters.
Our current masters will preside over a period in which I think even this will be destroyed, … or will destroy itself ….. and I think they will not even realise what happened because they never understood what was given to them.
They were just too busy looking after thir own pockets to spend the time understanding what was.
Sorry for being so negative but that’s just how I feel.
Adrian Hinds // August 12, 2008 at 1:02 PM
I supported the last government’s refusal to sign on to petro caribe. The economic rationale of not financing current consumption on credit) that Owen Arthur spelled out in a televised interview with Peter Thorn made a lot of sense to this layman. The other reasons that i have held fast too since the height of the Barbados/Trini fish dispute, is the clear intent of Venezuela regarding rights to the Caribbean and Atlantic sea, and the geopolitical implications of entering agreements of any kind with them giving their President confrontational posture with the US. Now the Owen Arthur government may have had similar concerns, but diplomacy may have factored in why they did not speak about such. What i don’t understand is, on realizing that our Caricom and CSME partners where not treating to petro caribe as one, why did the Last government continue to integrate our economy with these islands, so much so that we are now in a position of having to pander to them, because our economy is now highly dependent on them more so now the ever before. Venezuela via petro-caribe can influence these economies and by so doing disadvantage ours. Thanks Owen.
It will be on interest how Venezuela seeks to asserts it’s rights to the Atlantic ocean via agreements it made, and signed with a Basdeo Panday Trinidad government.
Negro man // August 12, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Why are we so cynical about the Petro Caribe oil deal from Venezuela.I believe the Petro Caribe deal will be beneficial to us in Barbados.One of the reasons why we did not and can not sign on to the deal is as a result of the richest man in Barbados Kyffin Simpson of Simpson Motors & Solgas fame dictating to our politicians what oil deal we must sign.Nothing to do with the terms and conditions but Kyffin Simpson.
Trinidad & Tobago a so call CARICOM member sells oil to the USA at a more cheaper rate than it sells its CARICOM members.The politicians in the region are making sport at the people in the region and each CARICOM member state should let the leaders know we are fed up with the nonsenese. CARICOM & Caribbean integration are pipe dreams and nothing substantive will ever come from CARICOM & Caribbean integration.
CARICOM is a joke.It is very selective in who the members are.It has rejected some of the biggest land masses in the Caribbean such as Cuba,Puerto Rico,Dominican Republic,Martinique,Gaudeloupe,and many other small Caribbean countries and has gone on the South American Coast and include Guyana & Suriname.I believe true Caribbean integration should include ALL Caribbean islands irrespective of if those countries are colonies of Europe or a state of North America.They are in the Caribbean sea and should be included in any Caribbean integration process.However,that is not the case and we have a nonsensical arrangement that has some Caribbean states being member and some are not.
CARICOM should be disbanded.We cannot even sign the EPA agreement as one group.
ALL THE CARICOM COUNTRIES HAVE CLOWN LEADERS.
The scout // August 12, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Negroman
Don’t get so tecnical. If we can’t agree on a little issue like Andrew Hinds’, do you expect us to deal with Petro Caribe?
Caricom is for the big boys, free trips, vacations, waste on money and prestige, these are some of the benefits from Caricom. All the average person gets is illegal migration.
Negro man // August 12, 2008 at 2:13 PM
The Scout,I am not being technical but facing the harsh realities of the Caribbean.I am a bit surprise that the Jamaicans treated Adrian Hinds in that manner.I know many Jamaicans and I know that Jamaica & Barbados have a very close relationship.I know that for a fact because I experienced it on my travels to Jamaica that Jamaicans and Barbadians share a very close bond.Therefore I am surprise at the actions of the Jamaicans.Nevertheless I am still hoping that Asafa Powell or Usain Bolt win the 100 meters finals.
Let support our black athletes from the Caribbean & Africa.
Adrian Hinds // August 12, 2008 at 2:14 PM
I think we are discussing three issues here.
1:I am in agreement that Caricom is a talk shop,
2:I agree that Trinidad was not honouring their commitments to CARICOM by selling oil to the US cheaper than to it’s caricome partners,
…credit to Owen for stating such while disagreeing with those that sign on to petro caribe.
3: Petro caribe was still a bad deal on it’s own.
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THE CASE AGAINST PETRO-CARIBE
3. Governance
The highest policy making body of PetroCaribe is the Ministerial Council comprising ministers of energy or their representatives. This council was formally established in Montego Bay, Jamaica, in September.
The minister of energy and petroleum of Venezuela is the permanent president of the Ministerial Council and Jamaica was appointed deputy president for the first year, being the host country for the first meeting. Subsequently, the position of the deputy president will be rotated.
The main functions of the council are:
* co-ordinate relevant policies, strategies and plans;
* delegate functions and responsibilities to the agencies created for the fulfilment of specific tasks, whenever necessary;
* agree on and approve issues of absolute priority to the organisation, as well as studies, workshops and work sessions, with a view to providing the necessary technical and legal support for these issues;
* exercise its fullest authority with regard to the performance of the executive secretariat;
* agree on the admission or withdrawal of members whenever required.
There will also be an executive secretariat located within the Ministry of Energy and Petroleum of Venezuela. This secretariat will service the Ministerial Council. The main functions of the executive secretariat are as follows:
* prepare the agendas of the meetings of the Council of Ministers;
* Directly manage and administer PetroCaribe-related affairs;
* ensure the implementation and follow-up of the decisions adopted by the Council of Ministers and submit the relevant reports and recommendations.
* prioritise the studies and projects defined by the Council of Ministers;
* propose the allocation of resources for the performance of all necessary studies.
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Nationnews 9/18/05.
Adrian Hinds // August 12, 2008 at 2:22 PM
THE CASE AGAINST PETRO-CARIBE
1: Pricing
1. Pricing
Under the agreement, Venezuela will continue to sell oil at prevailing market prices, in accordance with its obligations as a member of OPEC (Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries);
PetroCaribe makes it easier for countries to purchase petroleum products from Venezuela through the use of cash and a loan facility; and not through discounted prices. That is, a sort of pay-later plan.
If the price of oil is US$70 per barrel a country will pay 60 per cent or US$42 per barrel in cash at the time of delivery of the shipment. The remaining 40 per cent, or US$28 per barrel, will be converted into a loan.
The conditions of the loan are as follows:
* interest rate of 1 per cent over a term ranging from 17 to 25 years with two years’ moratorium.
* when the price per barrel is below US$40, the repayment period or term of the loan is a minimum period of 17 years, and above US$40 per barrel, the repayment period rises to a maximum of 25 years.
This simple illustration emphasises the point that PetroCaribe does not offer cheap oil (oil at heavily discounted prices) to signatory countries. It presents a short-term cash flow ease as distinct from better prices. It is also important to note that part of the unfunded portion of the shipments from Venezuela can be handled through the use of agricultural commodities and services.
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Nationnews 9/18/05
Chris Halsall // August 12, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Is it just my own perceptions? Or has it suddenly gone *really* quiet around here?
I do so love running the empirical… It tell us so very much about reality…
(For the record, this post is itself an experiment. Let us all observe the results…)
Kindest regards to all…
Adrian Hinds // August 12, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Now as you view the map of Caribbean caricom and non caricom nations that signed up for Petro-Caribe, THINK OF THE CONTROL VENEZUELA WILL HAVE OVER OUR ECONOMIES BY WAY OF THE PERMANANT PRESIDENTCY OF THE PETRO-CARIBE MINISTERIAL COUNCIL.
….Remember energy (oil) is the life blood of our economies.
…..as Chavez continue to consolidate his dictatorship at home. Do we think that he could possibily have any democratic intent towards us?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Petrocaribe-Map.png
Adrian Hinds // August 12, 2008 at 5:06 PM
The PetroCaribe Initiative has been discussed exhaustively and if viewed in the context of the preferential payment it rewards its members, we have to say it is a sweet deal. To prove our point, a Reuters report confirmed that the Caribbean currently imports 450,000 bdp of oil, Venezuela supplies 190,000 bdp of oil and products to the Caribbean and Central America as part of the PetroCaribe arrangement.
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Wikipedia says the following:
Criticism
While the agreement offers concessionary financing to these heavily indebted nations, it places them in a financial bind by allowing them to pay with agricultural goods (whose value fluctuates greatly from week to week) for part of their fuel bills. These nations ultimately take on more debt to pay these bills. Additionally, open press reporting has documented that the majority of the signatory countries are either not receiving fuel shipments or are receiving sporadic shipments that do little to meet the internal needs of these nations[citation needed]. Only Jamaica and Cuba are receiving regular shipments, and it is widely rumored that Cuba is paying very little or nothing at all for its fuel shipments, owing to Venezuelan president Chavez’s friendship with the Cuban government.
****Venezuelan oil minister Rafael Ramirez acknoweledged in December 2007 that his nation was shipping far less oil than previously expected; Petrocaribe members receive 145,000 barrels daily (rather than the 300,000 barrels initially planned), and of these, 95,000 go to Cuba.[1]
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So who is Petro Caribe really benefiting?
Adrian Hinds // August 12, 2008 at 5:24 PM
…….The pertinent question is Venezuela’s contention of an area consisting, two blocks of what was awarded to Barbados via Arbitration. By what method and with whose consent did Venezuela assert ownership of the area (bottom bay) in question?
David // August 12, 2008 at 6:13 PM
Adrian H your last question is very pertinent and one which we want to hear Minister Sinckler speak to.
John // August 12, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Chris Halsall // August 12, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Is it just my own perceptions? Or has it suddenly gone *really* quiet around here?
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Chris
Guess it is summer and traditionally, vacation time.
Had a lovely one last month and am still trying to get back into the grind.
The scout // August 13, 2008 at 5:54 AM
Negroman
I’m with you all the way. 1-2 in the 100 m. What a day for the caribbean that would be. Have you heard that they are targetting these two athletes? So far they were drug tested four times ; twice as much as as the other athletes. Powell said if this testing continues, it has the potential of weakening them for the races in a few days. POWER to the caribbean. WE SHALL OVERCOME
The scout // August 13, 2008 at 6:05 AM
It seems that Chavez does not want Barbados to get into the oil drilling so he’ll try something to cause controversy. we are one of the few nations that have not bowed to his “generous” offer. I suspect some countries would run afoul of the agreement and it would be worse than being in the hands of the IMF/World Bank
Adrian Hinds // August 13, 2008 at 11:13 AM
The scout // August 13, 2008 at 6:05 am
It seems that Chavez does not want Barbados to get into the oil drilling so he’ll try something to cause controversy. we are one of the few nations that have not bowed to his “generous” offer. I suspect some countries would run afoul of the agreement and it would be worse than being in the hands of the IMF/World Bank
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Chavez plans are much grander than that. Venezuela has maritime disputes with the US by way of Puerto Rico using the same Archipelagic base line method. The US as only agreed to a median line, but not to who has rights to the Ocean floor.
Adrian Hinds // August 13, 2008 at 2:12 PM
David // August 12, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Adrian H your last question is very pertinent and one which we want to hear Minister Sinckler speak to.
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Yes we would also like to hear the GoB position on this latest position by Venezuela. However, while we wait we can turn to NOTESFROM THE MARGIN who gave us the clearest and most likely answers to Venezuela’s method and with whose cooperation, have they arrived at, ownership to what is clearly Barbados territory.
1:
http://notesfromthemargin.wordpress.com/2007/07/10/venezuela-and-its-claim-of-most-of-guyanas-land/
2:
http://notesfromthemargin.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/how-trinidad-recognised-venezuelas-claim-to-most-of-guyanas-land/
3:
http://notesfromthemargin.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/marginal-picks-up-his-pen-venezuelas-claim-of-barbados-waters/
This article is freely reproducible (once the source is attributed). In fact we would ask that given the potential seriousness of the claim that members of the blogosphere and other media propogate this story.
Marginal
notefromthemargin.wordpress.com
David // August 14, 2008 at 7:24 AM
This article is long but makes for a good read if you are interested in Venezuela US relations:
Adrian Hinds // August 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM
David what is COHA???? This article is mixing many truths about America’s bad behaviour with many lies about Chavez good behaviour, and to think that it is written this month, after all the things that Chavez has done to deny democracy in Venezuela, and to ensure his lifetime presidency.
Jay // August 14, 2008 at 2:07 PM
@ David
I just recently found this article concerning the
CSME Integration movement.It looks like some “leaders” are trying to bring back a West indian style Federation.I think an economic union isn’t really a bad idea if it is well managed & to Barbados’ advantage,but a political union is something I could NEVER support.
http://www.caribbean360.com/News/Caribbean/Stories/2008/08/14/NEWS0000006185.html
“We believe the time, you know, has come for us really to be under one umbrella, not only in the economic sense but also in the long run in the political sense, and we need to take the necessary steps to get this going,” he said.
“The process begins with two or three or four countries, but in the long-run it is to envelope all of CARICOM into the integration movement,” Mr Thomas added, as he prepares for today’s meeting.”
Jay // August 14, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Have we learned nothing from the past ?
An integrated political union with Caricom would never work for Bajans.
David // August 14, 2008 at 5:37 PM
@Adrian
Here is the bio on COHA.
Chris Halsall // August 14, 2008 at 5:52 PM
@Adrian…
To take the metaphorical intricate of @BU.David’s derivative above…
The URL of the “Council on Hemispheric Affairs” is http://www.coha.org/
This doesn’t actually give you any answers, but it at least gets you closer to the raw data…
(While some might not believe it…) Kindest regards to all..
Adrian Hinds // August 15, 2008 at 9:37 AM
David thanks, I still think the article is bias against the US and very easy on Chavez.
Barnabas Collins // August 16, 2008 at 11:55 AM
It is quite unfortunate but we can’t come together on anything in the Caribbean. To me it is simple, Everyone wants to be the King man and you know what they say about having too many chiefs…..nothing gets done…..Only this week, PM Manning decide to have close door meetings to completely derail the CSME. He used the fact that many of the governments change and strike up a deal with the OECS and he wanted Barbados to be there because our former PM was the main impetus behind CSME. And he knows that this government has concerns about the CSME……I heard one political scientist spew out the most nonsense coming from an intelligent man about this move being visionary. That was a hijacking.
As it relates to the PetroCaribe oil deal. Chavez should never be trusted. He might decide one day to call in the debt out the blue. I am not even reading the proposal, Chavez would do something like broker a deal to release hostages and then turn around and make some obnoxious statements about a head of state. He should not be trusted.
I always felt that CSME can work but we would have to decide that whatever a country have they would supply to the region. Like T&T supplying us with oil under market prices, Guyana food, Barbados human resources that sort of thing. But we are not that mature as a people to organise something like that. I maybe simplifying things a bit but I hope the gist of what I mean gets across.
BC
JC // August 16, 2008 at 6:10 PM
BC, I too am of the opinion that CSME can work but the governments of the day need to consult with us the people.
I will be the first to admit that it will be difficult but if every one decides to be RESPONSIBLE with their task be it food oil etc. I know it will be a sucess but I dont know when ……..
The scout // August 17, 2008 at 12:18 PM
As we bask in the glory of our caribbean athletes at the olympics, I can’t help but marvel at the amount of natural talent that exist in the region. Only if the leaders would stop grandstanding and get serious, this region could be an important part of the new global world. the athletes are showing us the way. It was a JOy to see all the caribbean athletes huddled together at the start of the men’s 100 encouraging each other and offering a prayer. To me that was the highlight of the occasion and the victory was the fitting results.
The Devil // August 20, 2008 at 8:28 AM
I am hoping to see some comment on Patrick Manning’s recent “initiative” to effect a political union between T & T and the OECS (by 2013!). Jamaica has raised its concern but Barbados (which has lead responsibility for the CSME) has been quiet except for a tepid statement from Minister Donville Inniss. My own personal view is that Manning’s plan will come to nought but it could further expose the sham that is Caricom.
On a related note, I find it fascinating that an ethanol plant is being proposed to be built in Barbados. The only “advantage” that Barbados brings to the project is that the ethanol can get duty free access to the USA under the CBI arrangement. It seems risky to me that the economic success of the project hinges on the whims of say the politicians in the US who could give Brazil the same access which would render the Barbados operation redundant.
jodiperry // August 20, 2008 at 10:30 AM
Neither Manning or Trinidad has the authority to effect any political union with the OECS. I might add neither does St. Lucia,Grenada and St Vincent either.
The OECS is the only relevant, working and sucessful regional institution in the Caribbean and all the members have to concur before this is effected.
Trinidad first has to apply and be accepted into the OECS family (if they qualify).
Its ironic that the country who invented the 1 from 10 leaves nought maths now wants to join the same backward small islands who they rejected some 40 years ago.
Why now? Isnt Caricom and CSME enough?
Now the OECS have pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps and are among the wealthiest countries per capita in the Caribbean Trinidad in its arrogance wants not only to join but to form a ‘political union’ .
I wonder where will the HQ of this union be Port of Spain, and who will be the President, Manning?
The scout // September 15, 2008 at 6:42 AM
Negroman
The P.M is beginning to curtail this immigation invasion. At last someone has appeared to be addressing the problem.What is interesting is the response from the Vincentian P.M. It now shows that all these countries seem to think that ii is their right to push bajans out of work. If this is the inpression or mandate that Owen had given to CSME, I think he owes Barbados an apology.
The scout // September 15, 2008 at 7:02 AM
To CSME Leaders
It seems a Barbadian P,M gave you the impression that your people have the right to invade our country and rob bajans of our lands. just let me put the record straight: Barbados is not for sale or hire and we, bajans would welcome our regional brothers/sisters but if their intentions is to replace us, we would defend this country until death.
Vinceywoman who knows // September 15, 2008 at 8:15 AM
What Gonsalves telling Mr.David Thompson? Well I will tell Mr,David Thompson to dont mind that drunk raper, ignore he and do what you got to do for your bajan people. I visits Barbados regular and I love it but the last few years I seeing too much Guyanese there now. Stand up for your rights baje and dont mind ignorant Ralph.
Negroman // September 15, 2008 at 11:47 AM
I am happy that at least we have a leader who is willing to defend the rights and integrity of Barbadian workers. PM Thompson has redeemed himself and his administration in the eyes of Negroman for the time being.
I know serious action on this immigration issue was coming.I wonder what David Ellis,Peter Wickham,Michael Browne,Norman Faria and the rest are thinking now.
There are some concerns I have that I must highlight.
Gilbert Greaves a decent,nice gentleman wants us to have compassion on non-nationals.He indicated that we need non-nationals to fill many jobs that Barbadians are reluctant to fill.He wants us to be lenient with non-nationals in this regard.I believe Gilbert Greaves even though he is a decent gentleman will be a problem for the government policy on immigration.I think he should be shifted.
Amnesty is coming for illegals non-nationals.The proposed period of time is for those who were here prior to 2005 even though some persons want it to be prior to 2003,but the government is looking at 2005.That translates to about 2000 to 2500 non-nationals obtaining permanent residency and some cases citizenship.How much are indo-guyanese I do not know.
However,amnesty will be coming in about 3 months or so.The rationale is the government does not want to appear as being anti-CSME or CARICOM or xenophobic.
I feel assure that the government will do the correct thing and many of us bloggers are vindicated and should feel proud that our pleas and concerns have not fallen on deaf ears.
Prime Minister David Thompson if you deliver on this you will be in power for a very long time.This is a very burning issue affecting us Barbadians and you are about to deliver.Negroman and thousands of sensible Barbadians are supporting you all the way.You have nothing to fear.
Negroman // September 15, 2008 at 12:09 PM
I just read on today’s edition of Kaieteur news that guyanese living in Barbados are upset with Norman Faria representation.A PNCR Mp with Barbadians roots met with many guyanese and I suspect those guyanese are black and complained about the harsh treatment meted out to them by Norman Faria.They want him to be replaced. That racist scum bag.