Submitted by Yardbroom
Youths ‘wukking up’ 2 ‘Go Stabby’ during the Bajan Kadooment
In recent years a certain type of wuking up has become a popular Barbadian pastime. Its popularity has meant there is now a license to do anything in public, providing it is accompanied by music. My intention is not to take a moral view on this issue as I do not have that authority. However, if participants display in public, they cannot be surprised if people comment on a public medium.
Last year I saw a boy not more than ten years of age wuking up behind a fully grown woman. As the tempo of the music increased the boy got closer to the woman, encouraged by a crowd of adults who witnessed the spectacle. I moved away on seeing this exhibition, as I felt uncomfortable.
In a quiet reflective period after, I asked myself, was I out of touch with modern Barbadian society? Was I unable to understand our culture? and if this was our culture, how long could it have been so, without my noticing.
Could it be that a certain section of society has decided to define what is our culture, and others not wishing to be seen as out of step, are agreeing to all manner of things? It is often difficult to take a principled stand on issues which are not directly related to one’s personal behaviour, as you are open to being told, there is no compulsion for anyone to participate, or even watch. This is quite true, however, as I have alluded to previously, personal behaviour when public must take cognizance of public sensibilities. No one would say that wuking up is bad, or should not be allowed…that is obviously silly. What I am addressing is lewd behaviour masking itself as wuking up.
When men and women – sometimes small children encouraged by adults – adopt positions of copulation (dry sexing) with no attempt at art or finess, the intention being to depict the sexual act in a public place, it is time for questions to be asked. Are there no boundaries? How should adults interact with children? Does our public behaviour have any social restraints? Can we enjoy ourselves within a cultural frame that indentifies who we are, without going beyond acceptable bounds or limiting our cultural identity?
I seek not to rain on the party, but I was disturbed by what I saw. A small boy wuking up behind a grown woman, encouraged by adults. Our women often ask for equality, to which they are entitled and should be given without equivocation. There is a broader issue here which our women must consider. Women will be respected more if they are inclined to respect themselves.
This brings me to another point, I wonder what that small boy thought of women and the respect he should have for them when the music stopped…alast life does not stop, when the music does, in all its variations and facets it continues, perhaps only perhaps we should review how we behave in public places, or should we?
To those women who ask, what about the men? I simply say it is just that I expect more of you.
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205 responses so far ↓
Asiba-The Buffalo Soldier-still 2 much FAT on the road // August 21, 2008 at 10:15 PM
As a wuk-up artist myself
wuk-up is something that I would have to have a say on. I have wukked-up on stage and elsewhere and I have written about wukking -up,
If you listen to the song -FATHER HARRY -(1990-) you will hear my views on wukking -up when I expressed in the song that wukking-up is part of our culture, our past and our future.
My friends what I am seeing today is not wukking -up for wukking -up is an art and what I am seeing is VULGARITY———plain and simple.
Furthermore I believed that it should be BANNED from exposure in public spaces and public places such as the stage for it has gone too far now. People should be arrested and charged for breaking the wuk-up /Vulgarity law
Asiba -The Buffalo Soldier say so
This is Asiba-The Buffalo Soldier the one and only , any other is counterfeit-(apologies to Ken Husbands , who is on the radio now talking to Reverend Errington Massiah who is just hilarious)
btw -Rev.Massiah taught me at school -man he used to beat bad -for nothing I might add
Anonymous // August 21, 2008 at 10:53 PM
You stupid people still having this nonsensical debate? What’s wrong with wukking up? What is vulgar about it? Are people openly having sex on the streets?
Do you idiots watch modern dance? Or ballet with men in tights and women in nippy skirts? That is art right?
So what if wukking up simulates sex? What the hell is the problem? What is wrong with sex? Aren’t we all a product of sex.
You all are a bunch of Victorian hypocrites. The same people who will look at porn on the Internet, pick fares, have multiple partners and then pretend to be holier than thou. YOU MAKE ME SICK. Let de so-and-so people wuk up. If it’s so offensive then DONT WATCH THEM.
Warrior // August 21, 2008 at 10:56 PM
When men and women – sometimes small children encouraged by adults – adopt positions of copulation (dry sexing) with no attempt at art or finess, the intention being to depict the sexual act in a public place, it is time for questions to be asked. Are there no boundaries? How should adults interact with children?
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In some countries someone would have been charged with child abuse or labelled as a pedophile.
I am beginning to think that we as a people are slowing losing our minds and the ability to digest anything that is good and wholesome, in addition, a lot of behaviours of the past that we took as joke – adults wukking up on young children – are now rising to bite us in the backside.
Anonymous // August 22, 2008 at 12:30 AM
How many children do you all see doing this. Again this is using one isolated case to generalize all for the sake of making a non-fight. Go and study where wukkin-up came from, it purpose, and its reason before coming on here taking so much nonsense.
You pack of brainwashed westernized reactionaries!
Pondering // August 22, 2008 at 12:49 AM
Gyration of the pelvis (wuking up) is one movement out of many that makes up what is called dance. It is done in all dances, of all cultures. I am told that all dancing where men and women partner each other has a sexual connotation sometimes subtle and sometimes explicit. However, Barbadians in the soca/calypso/dance hall/rap setting seem intent of abandoning all other movements in their dance in favour of simply wuking up. It appears to me that it is thought that sexual attractiveness and indeed satisfying sexual activity is simply a matter of violent physical thrusting of the pelvis. Some years ago UWI sociologist, Graham Dann, researching Barbadian sexual behaviour found that most Barbadian women were left wanting in their sexual and emotional needs by their male partners. This inadequacy is thus now simply on display in our dance. Further that such dancing should occur without limits or rules or protocols (e.g a young child with an adult) suggests the degeneracy that the society is falling into occasioned by the low cognitive level of popular artforms.
J // August 22, 2008 at 1:06 AM
“Women will be respected more if they are inclined to respect themselves”
Dear Yardbroom: You made the statement above, but I will ask you to show me the evidence that the statement is the truth (and not an old canard)
Bimbro // August 22, 2008 at 1:20 AM
Babadus finish!!
Laaaaaaaddddddddddddddddd!!!!
RE Engineer // August 22, 2008 at 1:25 AM
How does one define ‘wukking up’, I see it as a gyration of the waist in an artful and entertaining fashion. Now that ’stabby’ thing is not wukking up in my books or any other general ‘humping’ motion where it is more of a quick pumping action where the guy pulls and pushes the female (who gladly bends down or props on something or someone for balance). Now for me that is just lewd and quite vulgar. Skillful gyration is completely different where both waists move in a synchronous fashion. Now that is art! Strangely enough most of the best wukkup acts I have witnessed were solo. So I am sorry, no excuse for that behaviour it is just like most things these days; skimming the limits of decency.
J // August 22, 2008 at 4:36 AM
Dear Bimbro:
Is you? Ya back? I miss yah man!!!
The scout // August 22, 2008 at 5:58 AM
Sad to say but I detest this vulgar act that bajans have adapted. It’s rude and common, I’ve see African dance troupes perform and sometimes very skimpy dressed but you see the difference. It is a rutual dance , somewhat ceremonial with a history a culture behind the performance. What I’ve seen developed in Barbados is just short of open sex . Stir yourself Barbados, we have much more pride than that. Demonstrate our real culture, good waist movement but controlled.
David // August 22, 2008 at 6:48 AM
@Anonymous
We note that the tone of your comment is not intended to encourage conversation? Did you view the Youtube Video above? Would you rate what you have seen as culture?
If we take your argument to full conclusion then as a nation we should not engage in any critique of what we perceive to be our culture? You should talk to us because we have always understood ‘culture’ to be something that is fluid and constantly evolving.
The post-Crop Over postmortem which is currently underway is a dynamic process which encourages the kind of conversation we are having to make things better. Would you prefer that we discontinue the process?
Bimbro // August 22, 2008 at 7:45 AM
J // August 22, 2008 at 4:36 am
Dear Bimbro:
Is you? Ya back? I miss yah man!!!
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Hi J, yes, it’s me man!! I never really lef but, like de other boards, I doan tink dey like my outspokenness too much, pun hay, thus I doan come too often!!
Laaaaaaaaaddddddddddddddddddd!!!!
I hope my Bajan (english) awright!!
Laaaaaaaaaaaddddddddddddddddddd!!!!
Anonymous // August 22, 2008 at 10:10 AM
If this form of wuk-up is emerging then that is the culture too. Plain and simple. Who determines what is vulgar and what is not? What are the criteria for vulgarity? Are people opening fooping on de streets? If it looks sexual what is wrong with that?
David you asked if I looked at the youtube video. The answer is a resounding NO. And that my point, you have the choice to look at it or not. People have the right to wuk-up how they please. This is not a debate worth happening. Every year the same stupid talk from the same hypocrites. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with wukking up in any form. If it’s a form of sexual liberation and freedom then so be it. Maybe this is the kind of openness that is needed to help resolve the HIV/AIDS crisis.
Until Bajans start to discuss sex and sexuality openly we will not resolve the HIV/AIDS crisis. As a society we all like to hide and foop then go to church on Sunday and play christian and criticize others. Let de damn people wuk up and celebrate their freedom from this self-imposed conservatism.
Yardbroom // August 22, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Hi “J”
I will respond to your point in due course.
Yardbroom
Anonymous // August 22, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Yardbroom just needs to shut up and stop being so sanctimonious. There are more important things to discuss.
Yardbroom // August 22, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Anonymous
I find your logic difficult to follow, as politely as I can, may I ask the following. You stated…
“this is not a debate worth happening”…
A few sentences later, you said:
…”Maybe this is the kind of openness that is required to help solve the HIV/AIDS crisis”…
Which of the above is your position, I do apologize in advance for not being able to follow your reasoning.
Regards Yardbroom
ganong // August 22, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Yardbroom
You are obviously a thorougbred running in a race with a few jackasses.
JC // August 22, 2008 at 6:23 PM
ha haha hahah
Anonymous // August 22, 2008 at 6:28 PM
@ Yardbroom…
Meaning…the wukkup debate is tired and not worth having.
…”Maybe this is the kind of openness that is required to help solve the HIV/AIDS crisis”…
There’s nothing wrong with the logic. You are just the typical holier than thou hypocrite.
The “openness” refers to how free people are with themselves in that they’re so willing to wukkup like that in public. Therefore, we should take this same open approach to discuss sex and sexuality openly to help address the HIV/AIDS crisis.
The advertising and PR campaign can be more direct just like what obtained in Brazil in the 1990s. In fact Brazil is now the world’s success story at turning their HIV stats around because they dealt with it openly.
It’s consersative sanctimonious hypocritical pseudo-christian behavior like yours that suppresses sexual expression and force people into the underground. That’s why the Caribbean has such an HIV problem.
Let people be…the reverse logic is that the freer people are, the more HIV will be controlled. When you push people into hiding and sneaky behavior, the result is the complete opposite. So that’s the logic.
Until we stop being afraid to deal with the real issues even with our children…the the crisis is gonna get worse.
So…the wukkup debate is tired. Just shut to *(&$@^#$* up!
There are more serious issues to discuss and come up with solutions.
Wunna is de same wutless people dat does horn wunna wives and husbands and got separate apts and travel bout de place to foop; watch porn and all brands o shite den come here criticizing people bout wukking up.
WUNNA DOES SICKEN MY STOMACH. What is more sickening den people wukkin up is wunna hypocrites.
David // August 22, 2008 at 7:03 PM
@Anonymous
The wukkup debate maybe tired for you but it is not for others. We suggest that you are showing a naiveté on this matter. In fact if you can get your hand on the Nation any day of the week in recent weeks you can see the topic covered. The last article in recent days was a visiting priest who made a similar point to Yardbroom.
Your argument is so flawed, let us suggest that if Barbadians are wallowing in sin then doesn’t it make sense to start somewhere i.e.draw a line. Your flawed logic is if as people we are committing other sins then why focus on wukkup. As a society we are entitled to discuss whatever we want so get use to it. If you view an article in the newspaper which you disagree what do you do?
memries // August 22, 2008 at 7:12 PM
The question that Yardroom posed was IS WUKING UP WITHOUT LIMITS BARBADIAN CULTURE.
The current rampant wuking up that is prevalent today was never seen in Barbados for over 300 years .
Those of us who have been much too lenient that we have supervised the decadence and decay in contemporary Barbados remember the time in The early 60’s when we attempted to have Caraval in Barbados and failed miserably.
No sane Bajan would participate in road marches. Caraval in Barbados was thus discontinued.
Around 1977 Crop Over was started. Over the years as we became more affluent many Bajans in droves could afford to go to watch Trinidad carnivals, and returned to Barbados gyrating worse than the Trinidadians do.
All of a sudden wuking up is we culture. Some jackass, with a brain the size of a pea, will now opine with expletives (that being the limit of thier very minute vocabulary) that our culture is evolving ,but these are the facts!
Our culture is evolvinf, whereas the cultures of ancient tribes and nations around the world remain the same.
The jackass who brayed thus ………………..
Wunna is de same wutless people dat does horn wunna wives and husbands and got separate apts and travel bout de place to foop; watch porn and all brands o shite den come here criticizing people bout wukking up.
WUNNA DOES SICKEN MY STOMACH. What is more sickening den people wukkin up is wunna hypocrites.
………………..is just jealous that he is not rich enough to do any of the above. Poor thing can only wuk up.
The answer to Yardbroom’s question is a resounding NO. But the jackasses may bray on!
memries // August 22, 2008 at 7:15 PM
Good question David
If you view an article in the newspaper with which you disagree what do you do?
NOT A THING BUT TALK BS! THERE IS NO AVENUE FOR DISSENT!
BUT DOES NOT EXCUSE IDIOTS TO ABUSE THE FACILITY AFFORDED US BY BU!
Yardroom is obviously a senior citizen, who deserves respect!
Anonymous // August 22, 2008 at 7:33 PM
What ya all ninkenpoops dont understand is that the more you talk about it and the more you criticize it, the more people will wuk up.
It’s an act of defiance you idiots.
David // August 22, 2008 at 7:35 PM
@Anonymous
We understand your strategy very well and it will fail like the others who tried before you.
Anonymous // August 22, 2008 at 7:41 PM
@ memries
BUT DOES NOT EXCUSE IDIOTS TO ABUSE THE FACILITY AFFORDED US BY BU!
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You are obviously lost. That’s the beauty of the Internet. Anyone can start an anonymous blog.
What facility afforded us by BU what?
Once people dont agree with wunna moralistic nonsense wunna does start appealing to a lotta stupid sentiment.
Come down off wunna pseudo-moralistic high horses, everybody does foop and wukkup. How you tink wunna get hey, wunna parents foop and wukkup.
If people on de streets wukkin up and having a good time, that’s far safer than wukkin up in body fluids without a condom.
Get real and shut up. Wunna hypocrites!
De last hypocrite that was criticizing young people for having an innocent kiss in Queen’s Park and tekkin duh picture and putting it in de Nation now holding he head in shame fuh fooping a school girl and horning he wife, after giving a sanctimonous moralistic speech at CP speech day.
Look in de mirror and look at wunna self first before wunna throw stones. Ask wunna self if wunna above any form of moral reprimand, then wheel and come again.
YOU ALL ARE SICKENING!
memries // August 22, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Sonny What is your real name? Is it Jack? Cause you remind me of this tale………
Tony, having his second son christened, was much concerned about getting the correct name on the birth certificate. “Will you please name the baby just as I give it to you?” “Certainly,” answered the minister, “why shouldn’t I?”
“Well you see, it’s like this,” replied Tony. “When I told you I wanted to name my first boy Tom, you wrote on his birth certificate ‘Thomas.’ This boy I want to name Jack.”
Anonymous // August 22, 2008 at 7:47 PM
@ David
We understand your strategy very well and it will fail like the others who tried before you.
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There is no strategy. This is a heartfelt opinion just like the heartfelt opinion post by Yardbroom.
There are so many more issues you can tackle David. This is stale and overworked.
Talk bout de stupid comment Rogge made about Usain Bolt. Talk bout how de American press saying de young man pon drugs whilst treating Phelps like a God.
Talk bout how well de Caribbean did in athletics and what should be done to make us better by 2012.
Talk bout uplifting tings David man. Yuh gonna come here and talk de same ting over and over and over bout wukkup, de guyanese, de bees, de dees.
People will wukkup if they want to. Ironically, Rogge (de jackass) criticized Usain’s dance, which is part of the young man’s culture.
Sound’s familiar? You OREOS!
Anonymous // August 22, 2008 at 7:53 PM
@ David
“Your argument is so flawed, let us suggest that if Barbadians are wallowing in sin then doesn’t it make sense to start somewhere i.e.draw a line. ”
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I agree 1000%. Yes! Start somewhere and draw the line.
Start with yourself!
Draw the line with yourself!
Dont give your middle class children money and the car to go the fetes.
Dont curse in front of them.
Dont drink in front of them.
Treat your wives with respect. Dont horn them! Dont beat them!
When last I checked, charity still begins at home.
You cant start to draw the line with that which you have no control over. You can only control you.
David // August 22, 2008 at 7:55 PM
@Anonymous
Final comment to you. If we are so predictable why are you on BU 24/7? Also check the blogs on our Front Page which covers, culture, BL&P, homosexuality, Kingsland Affair, Beiijing Olympics, Russian Invasion of Georgia, Barbados politics, ABC Highway, Travel Agencies, Life in past Barbados, CARIFORUM EC EPA, we even had a press release out of Canada. If you want to read about the Olympics go over ti BGR.
memries // August 22, 2008 at 8:00 PM
David
This statement seems to be at the heart of this lad’s problem
Dont give your middle class children money and the car to go the fetes.
Anonymous // August 22, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Responding to your op-ed piece Sir! You set the tone on your blog Sir!
Carlos // August 22, 2008 at 8:09 PM
Yes, this topic of our ‘wuck-up’ culture needs to be openly discussed, as it is a deep reflection of where we are heading, re our moral and spiritual fibre, as a society without such values, regardless of how much we may advance otherwise, is destined to perish, confirmed over and over again, throughout history, with any number of ancient civilizations coming to utter ruination, with abased, immoral practices and idolatry, almost always as the core reason(s) for their ultimate demise.
While I appreciate the opening comments, I’m not in agreement with his remarks, “No one should say that wucking up is bad, or should not be allowed…that is obviously silly. What I am addressing is the LEWD behaviour masking itself as wucking up.”
‘Wucking-Up’ pure and simple is without doubt, vulgarity, abased sexual simulation, then taken to its logical graphic conclusion when ‘man’ and ‘woman’ complete the intended display of this wanton, disgusting, so-called art form, now deemed as ‘we culture’, by those who have obviously lost all sense or perception of ‘moral’ right or wrong! Cultural relativism seems to be the order of the day, attempting to completely emasculate all sense of respect and morality, seeking to introduce a literal, ‘value free’ ‘value neutral’ society, God help us!
No matter how many hypocrites they are, moral rectitude, the antithesis of moral degeneracy, will always have its say, for it is the very foundation upon which a society either stands or falls.
“Righteousness exalteth a nation; but SIN is a reproach to ant people” (Prov. 14:34).
Anonymous // August 22, 2008 at 8:10 PM
I thought it was wunna who had de problem. Wunna is de ones offended by de people wukkin up. Um dont bother me. Duh could wukkup all duh like. Um does bother wunna, not me. I dont even go near dum. So dah’s wunna problem.
Anonymous // August 22, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Oh lord now! Here comes the high priest Carlos beyond any moral reproach.
Here comes the bible thumping christian to quote scripture when it most suits them.
The same bible thumping christian that goes to church and jump and sing then pass his fellow brother and sister at the bus stop.
The bible thumping christian that scorns and looks down and is holier than thou.
Once dese bible thumping people join de debate, I outta here. Cant tek dem. I does run far from dem at work, wherever.
Wunna does frighten me wid wunna bible quoting moralistic selves bohsie. I frighten enough fuh wunna. Wunna is de worst people to work roun’.
Cant tek wunna at all at all at all!
Anonymous // August 22, 2008 at 8:24 PM
Here comes to the bible thumping christian Mr. Carlos to tell preach to us that we are heading for doom and destruction. Dat Jesus is coming back and all de wukkup sinners gonna burn in hell while he and his kind gonna rejoice in heaven.
Anonymous // August 22, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Deu 30:15 ¶ See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil!
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
Warrior // August 22, 2008 at 8:40 PM
memries // August 22, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Your respose to Anon is World Class, first class. I nearly fell out of my chair with laughter.
While I understand that everyone have their opinion, it is true that jackasses can only bray
Anonymous // August 22, 2008 at 9:04 PM
To Brother Carlos and Yardbroom and all the moralites:
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
God created wukking up too!
J // August 22, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Dear Memries:
You said “Our culture is evolvinf, whereas the cultures of ancient tribes and nations around the world remain the same.”
I am sure that you know that it is impossible for any culture to remain static. In fact change is what primarily defines culture. In fact just the word “blog” is a sign of a change in the English language as well a a change in cultural practice. My grandmother who was born in rural Barbados in 1879 certaibly did not blog. This is a cultural change. And you too have changed with the culture. You blog too.
J // August 22, 2008 at 10:00 PM
“Wunna is de same wutless people dat does horn wunna wives and husbands and got separate apts and travel bout de place to foop; watch porn and all brands o shite”
Much of this is true. We the elders have eaten sour fruit and our children’s teeth are set on edge.
Many of us have done much of the above and our children will not hold us guiltless.
Pray tell me how do you tell your daughter not to wuk-up once she has discovered that her mother was 5 months pregnant wit her before you married her and that in 25 years of marriage you have had 2 outside children numerous affairs.
We the elders need to repent of our wicked ways.
J // August 22, 2008 at 10:03 PM
“………………..is just jealous that he is not rich enough to do any of the above. Poor thing can only wuk up.”
Dear Memries:
Just as I said. There is no reason to be proud becasue you are “rich enough” to afford adultery. I’ve seen some bad arguments on this blog, but the rich enough to afford adultery is possibly the worse argument that I have heard in my lifetime.
bUnderGround // August 22, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Hello to my BU family,
I have enjoyed our Crop Over Festival.
Now this is what I have noticed and what everyone here on BU might be missing, Barbados is infested with many different nationalities, Jamaicans, Guyanese, St. Lucian’s, Vincentions and others, and from looking around on Spring Garden most of the patrons were non Barbadian, even at most of the Crop Over events Bajans were out numbered. Therein lies the problem, because Bajan does ‘Wuck-Up’ but not do what we see taking place today, is not Bajan.
Anonymous // August 22, 2008 at 10:29 PM
@ J
I’m glad that someone is honest enough to speak the truth.
No one wants to admit that our grandmothers and grandfathers were wutless wutless wutless!
These sanctimonious fools are behaving like if all this is something new.
It’s about man’s free will!
What bothers me most is that as black people, we always seem to have a problem with any celebration of negritude and we buy into the dominant discourse that critiques negritude and anything black to assert their false sense of superiority.
These idiots dont understand that they’re giving into a dominant discouse that controls them and keeps them out of the dominant power structures.
So these black fools are using a westernized meta-language and reinforced brainwashing theological arguments supported by the bible to undermine blackness.
The arguments against wukkup are the same that were used against jazz and banjo which were described as devil music.
This is the same society that has a problem with the young black male Senator wearing cornrows. Can you imagine.
Time to look in the mirror and be proud of your blackness. Time to stop straightening your little girls’ hair. Time to tell your women stop buying weave and/or putting chemicals in their hair.
We are Africans! And the more you criticize wukkup the more the young people are going to defy you with your baseless criticisms.
People are free to wukkup however they want to!
What vulgar what? Vulgar is the hypocrisy of you moralites.
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 12:30 AM
@ The High Priest of Moral Authority Carlos and Yardbroom.
“No matter how many hypocrites they are, moral rectitude, the antithesis of moral degeneracy, will always have its say, for it is the very foundation upon which a society either stands or falls.
“Righteousness exalteth a nation; but SIN is a reproach to ant people” (Prov. 14:34).”
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May I suggest that instead of attacking the people who wukkup one day on the streets, you should go up to Dodds and pray with Jippy Doyle, then hop cross to Amurka and pray fuh bulling Gene Robinson, then head over to the Vatican and bless all de millions dat dem paying out to de victims o bulling priests, den pray fuh Jimmy “fare picking” Swaggart, den pray fuh all de pastors dat fooping de young girls and boys in de church, and all o dem dat tiefing de offering and buying big jeeps from Simpson Motors, or de same Simpson wid duh white only church.
Dem is who wunna should call vulgar and immoral. Start wid dem! The good thing is that yuh dont have to quote bible verses to dem cause dem know de bible better than any o we.
H Y P O C R I T E S!
Mary // August 23, 2008 at 4:03 AM
We are living in a really sad state when persons do not wish to take responsibility for their actions. The first thing we are going to say is why you dont mind this person and that person and keep passing the buck. We are not the rest of the world and we are not America.
We as a nation has to clean around our own backdoor and as individuals examine ourselves. This wuk up thing that is going on has nothing to do with culture far from that it shows you are without culture.Secondly it has nothing to do with us being black or of African descent.
For those who surf the net instead of talking crap on this site or placing smut on youtube to make the rest of the world think all bajans are lewd ,check the african culture and the dances of their various regions and see if you will see them doing what our people here are doing .
A person can dance to calypso and does not have to be mopping up the floor with onself!We can dance and not be simulating sexual acts. This behaviour is lewd!
Our young women need to have pride in themselves. Raise the bar ! It is only when you have self worth and dignity that men and other persons will respect you.
Before all black persons had was education because that was seen as the key to success and religion.We have abandoned both so this is why we are in the position we find ourself in.
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 8:53 AM
Mary Mary Mary…I know that sometimes in blogging your thoughts can go ahead of your ability to type and the occasional grammatical error may appear, but for someone who is defending education as a key to success your English is horrible.
Secondly, Mary Mary quite contrary, please tell us why simulating sex in a dance is wrong and lewd and vulgar. I really do not understand.
I’ve seen all forms of dance all over the world in several cultures and many of them simulate sex.
I’ve seen naked people dance on stages in Europe to standing ovations and they’ve received prizes for their artistic achievements.
So you are going to come hear and say that to simulate sex is lewd. Did you see the movie “Dirty Dancing” Mary?
Thirdly, your understanding of culture (and this is no joke) is sadly lacking. If this is the type of dance that is manifesting then it’s a revelation of ’something’ that is taking place in the culture and it becomes a cultural manifestation. In fact, it’s a cultural as your hypocrisy. The holier-than-thou attitude you all display is very much a cultural trait, very much like 17th & 18th century England – hide and do it, don’t display!
What the current wukkup displays is saying to us culturally is that people are more sexually liberated and as such will their display their sense of sexual freedom more openly.
If you weren’t so limited, you will understand that this is a cycle. This sexual freedom always leads to increased sexual diseases, then fear and panic, then people repress their sexual desires all over again. It’s a cycle! You just happen to be living in a period where you are coming out of one era of conservatism into an era of openness.
This is also fuelled by the openness of the communication media where people are exposed to sex and sexuality at a much younger age – Cable TV; the Internet; travelling; magazines, etc.
Now Mary, go back in your little corner with the lights off, turn on you DVD machine and watch your little porn movie, play with yourself, go to sleep and shut to hell up.
H Y P O C R I T E S!
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 8:58 AM
Mary Mary Mary…I know that sometimes in blogging your thoughts can go ahead of your ability to type and the occasional grammatical error may appear, but for someone who is defending education as a key to success your English is horrible.
Secondly, Mary Mary quite contrary, please tell us why simulating sex in a dance is wrong and lewd and vulgar. I really do not understand.
I’ve seen all forms of dance all over the world in several cultures and many of them simulate sex.
I’ve seen naked people dance on stages in Europe to standing ovations and they’ve received prizes for their artistic achievements.
So you are going to come hear and say that to simulate sex is lewd. Did you see the movie “Dirty Dancing” Mary?
Thirdly, your understanding of culture (and this is no joke) is sadly lacking. If this is the type of dance that is manifesting then it’s a revelation of ’something’ that is taking place in the culture and it becomes a cultural manifestation. In fact, it’s as cultural as your hypocrisy. The holier-than-thou attitude you all display is very much a cultural trait, very much like 17th & 18th century England – hide and do it, don’t display!
What the current wukkup display is saying to us culturally is that people are more sexually liberated and as such will their display their sense of sexual freedom more openly.
If you weren’t so limited, you will understand that this is a cycle. This sexual freedom always leads to increased sexual diseases, then fear and panic, then people repress their sexual desires all over again. It’s a cycle! You just happen to be living in a period where you are coming out of one era of conservatism into an era of openness.
This is also fuelled by the openness of the communication media where people are exposed to sex and sexuality at a much younger age – Cable TV; the Internet; travelling; magazines, etc.
Now Mary, go back in your little corner with the lights off, turn on your DVD machine and watch your little porn movie, play with yourself, go to sleep and shut to hell up.
H Y P O C R I T E S!
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 9:11 AM
Now that the Hallelujah Chorus has started and the Virgin Mary has joined Saint Carlos and the Santimonious Yardbroom, might I suggest that you all go to church tomorrow, get on your knees and pray that this demon be of wukkup be wiped away from our little pristine society.
While you are at it, invite all de priests and pastors to join wunna on a pray-and-fast to really help us get rid of this evil sin.
I hope that in de process wunna clean up all de sin in de church too.
Yardbroom // August 23, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Anger’s my meat; I sup upon myself,
And so shall starve with feeding.
Shakespeare, Coriolanus.
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Therein lies the problem! Black skin, white mask! You feel dat quoting Shakespeare absolves you from abhorring your blackness.
Quote Derek Walcott or Lamming or Brathwaite and come again.
I’m not impressed with you hypocrites.
It’s that white man education dat makes wunna look in de mirror and hate wunna selves.
H Y P O C R I T E S!
Now go back surfing de Net and looking at your porn and shut up!
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 12:55 PM
“Freedom is no gray stone drag
queen
she is my bitch to keep
jealous of her like sickness
wuk fo’she like dog
she is the river all men straddle down valleys to claim”
Lasana M. Sekou – an enlightened brother from our sister island St. Maarten.
Now you and Shakespeare can go in a corner and screw yourselves. F_ _ k Shakespeare and your stupid English education. Let de people wukkup!
John // August 23, 2008 at 1:16 PM
This “wukking up” discussion is steeped in issues of morals and opinions. It’s therefore difficult for anyone to come to a concensus. Please recognize that issues surrounding wukking up are very complex and complicated. We still have done little research to understand the original meaning of wukking up and why it has persisted. Introspection might help we figure why we each hold the strong position we do.
One thing I hear in these discussions is the question of what is decent, itself an issue of morality. Decent seems to that which privileges a European heritage and Western legacy. Indecent (wutless, not to be confused with wukking up, although it often is) often gets attached to cultures and practices of our indgenous and African-heritage people. Therefore we need to careful that we are not saying traditional european practices are generally good and therefore african and indigenous practices are bad. Our lives as Barbadians are more complex and rich than that.
The “decency” discussion is particularly noticable among progressive members in our Caribbean contemporary societies, some of whom call for a denial of certain cultural practices without first ensuring in-depth research to connect the significance of these traditional and resistant cultural markers. Their tone, mirroring that of the British colonists toward the African enslaved, has not worked to debunk wukking up. Wukking has survived slavery and colonialism in our particulary rigidly constructed society and exists in spite of efforts to exclude it and keep it down.
Instead of crying down wukking up, we might to well to figure out why this legacy of resistance has persisted. It important for us to analyse, refine and celebrate wukking up as a prominent cultural marker of Barbadian identity.
Questions emerge:
1) Besides the rational, that is usually uncomplicated and unquestioned western values, what are other possible meanings associated with wukking up and how can we develop this area of research?
2) When we deny our indigenous expressions what are we left with? Denying any aspect of our heritage gives us little choice but to absorb and promote global cultural values wholesale. This has detrimental consequences to the Barbadian identity and psyche.
3) What would happen if we were to take an interest in our own instead of worrying of being like the global space?
David // August 23, 2008 at 1:22 PM
@John
Thanks for your interesting rebuttal to that of Yardbroom’s. It is refreshing to read a dissenting view free of puerility. One of the goals of BU is to educate by leveraging the diversity of knowledge which obviously resides within the BU family.
Keep the discussion going!
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Lord John, we beg you to enter debate not to done it.
Wha I cant respond to dah now.
@ David
What says you Sir? Ya like um?
Really now John // August 23, 2008 at 1:29 PM
I have attended dance presentations in Barbados, in Trinidad, in Jamaica and in the US, by African dance troupes. These were from Senegal, Nigeria, South Africa and Ghana. I did NOT see anything like what we call wuking up. Futhermore friends from Malawi, Zimbabwe, Nigeria, Tanzania, Zaire, Kenya and Ghana have all commented with incredulity at our fashion of dancing. One comment that stood out “We could never do that back home on the streets”!
I do not claim that my sample is authoritative but it does make me question the “Africaness” of wuking up. Be that as it may, I think it an ugly behaviour and I would not wish anyone (male or female) that I care about to be involved in such.
Yardbroom // August 23, 2008 at 1:32 PM
“From hand to mouth, across the centuries,
the bread that lasts when systems have decayed,
when, in his forest of barbed-wire branches,
a prisoner circles, chewing the one phrase
whose music will last longer than the leaves”…
`Derek Walcott
I live not in a foul pen of expletives, I leave that for others.
Yardbroom
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 1:37 PM
@ John
Are you putting forward the idea that wukkup is an act of freedom and resistance that is rooted in a slave experience?
Then like so many other forms of our African cultural retention, it has been transformed owing to the very experience of cultural hybridization and other external cultural influences?
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Go Yardbroom Go!
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 1:47 PM
@Really now John
“Futhermore friends from Malawi, Zimbabwe, Nigeria, Tanzania, Zaire, Kenya and Ghana have all commented with incredulity at our fashion of dancing. One comment that stood out “We could never do that back home on the streets”!
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Maybe our form is exaggerated for a purpose. Maybe the statement we wish to make with our wukkup today is a different statement.
It’s part of the deconstructionist cultural movement that has overtaken the African Diaspora which forms part of a resistance movement against a dominant Western construct of what is culturally correct and accepted.
The equivalent to this postmodern deconstructionist movement is mirrored in African American gangsta rap, Jamaican dancehall, among others.
What Africa’s children are saying is that “we want to assert our freedom from your Babylon system and superstructures.” When Bob Marley said “de Babylon system is a vampire” he understood that there was a continuity of the slavery regime that still must be torn down.
In a way, this generation are enacting that rebellion sub-consciously and wukkup is just a cultural manifestation of what is really happening at the level of the collective psyche. But the movement of freedom fighting is not completed and this is what this exaggerated form of wukkup is really telling us.
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Furthermore, what will happen is exactly what happened to Jazz music.
Wukkup has now spread its wings to North America because people travel and migrate. There are Caribbean festivals in New York and Canada that attract large West Indian audiences and this form of dance has made its way into music videos.
You look at Beyonce’s Bootylicious (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROjCS9P94aA&feature=related) and you will start to see the influence is spreading.
What will happen next is that white european dance troupes will usurp this andn distill it into some bland form of dance, repackage it and sell it back to us. Then we will accept it and say how beautiful it is.
Eddie // August 23, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Just an observation.
All major past world powers were captivated with sexual lewdity and lawlessness.
All of them fell. Wonder if there is a message for us today?
NUH LINGA-(The Jamaican Dance) // August 23, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Well there is nothing wrong with wuk-kup, wukk-up, wuck up,
there is nothing wrong having a drink of rum either
but when you are drinking to the point where it becomes a problem then you have to sit up and take note.
There is nothing wrong with people wucking up Therefore the problem is the excesses and excesses in the form of overexuberance. Sometimes when you put certain things in the hands of some people it becomes missued and usually this missue is due to ignorance and a lack of understanding of relevant history.
If a youngster is bowling extremely fast and he hopes to play for the west indies team but continues to overstep the crease, he might not go too far in the game because the rules will get him everytime. So rules are important. If therefore you wuck up and you break the rules such as wucking up in a manner that offends , maybe you have broken the rules.
On Kadooment day there are some persons who lie on the ground and actually simulate sexual intercourse. To me that is not the dance called wuckking up, that would be a offensive public display that should not be encouraged. I would not say Vulgar because when we really check the meaning of the word Vulgar , maybe the word is not appropriate.
I agree with the resistance theories re Wuckking up and I see nothing wrong with Wuckking up. I think maybe we are getting confused with the term and might be referring to offensive acts as wuckking up which they are not. Wukking up is beautiful and there are some who do it well. There are others who try to do it but in their exuberance they overdo it. -Now I have a problem with that.
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 3:14 PM
@ Eddie:
Just an observation.
All major past world powers were captivated with sexual lewdity and lawlessness.
All of them fell. Wonder if there is a message for us today?
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Is Barbados a world power? And where is it going to fall from, from Third World status to a position like Haiti?
I see the Hallelujah Chorus is getting bigger. Time me to leff bout hey. Here comes the christian. Run, run, run, run!
I wonder if Jesus were around and he went to Kadooment wha he woulda do!
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 3:36 PM
@ NUH LINGA
“On Kadooment day there are some persons who lie on the ground and actually simulate sexual intercourse.”
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Of the almost 10 000 people revelling on the streets on Kadooment day, pray tell, how many display this sort of behavior?
We can’t let the exception take over our sense or reason!
The vast majority of the revellers are jumping down de road, wining duh waist and having a wonderful time celebrating their emancipation.
So a few idiots get drunk and simulate fooping pon de road and de Hallelujah Chorus get in a tizzy and ready to bring down Jesus and invoke de wrath o de lord pon Barbados.
Every year I does watch de parade both on TV and on de streets and you can count de handful of johnnies that get outta hand.
So what? Dem free to do wha duh wanna do!
Yardbroom // August 23, 2008 at 4:45 PM
I believe in a” Universal Good” it goes beyond the confines of whites or blacks, European or African. It can often be seen in a moral stance taken on issues you believe to be right.
If one respects certain values the epithet is thrown “you trying to be white” this gives the lie only whites not African peoples or those of African descent have any values.
In order to attack moral positions, some say it is not African it can therefore be derided.
Some supposedly intelligent people spout nonsense. Would you believe it someone on this blog said “that is white man’s education” as if people should not use information or knowledge unless the source is black.
Should we pay no attention to:
Pythagoras of Samos
Archimedes
Leonardo da Vinci
Sir Isaac Newton
Albert Einstein
Carl Friedrich Gauss
Marie Curie
Charles Darwin
To mention a few because they were white.
The education we should be wary of is that which justifies gangsterism, lewd behaviour, dishonesty, moral vacuity with the excuse it is our culture.
My personal experience dictates I will not be misled by such nonsense, not because it is white or black but because I have values and they have served me well.
David // August 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Shouldn’t the populist speak out if the moral compass which has guided this great country in the post-independence period start to quiver?
When the beginnings of the gangster behaviour reared its head in the 80’s which we glibly refer to now as the minibus culture some of us were said to be against the black man making a dollar. Of course back then the private minibus sector was controlled by working class Blacks.
When in the 90’s there were signs that there was indiscipline on the roads, i.e. smashing red lights, cellphone use while driving, illegal parking, speeding on roads by the hot-rods, drinking and driving, even the attitude which the authorities have exhibited in the road works…
As a society we made the issues political and while Rome burned we were fiddling. In the case of wukkin-up which we are witnessing especially within the youth segment whatever investigation we need to initiate let us do it because here is another example of a symptom of something which we need to take cognizance.
Georgie Porgie // August 23, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Yardbroom
Cant you understand that the world today is filled with fools!
Fellows who cant pass a CXC want to rule the Nation and dictate the mores of the country.
Its really amazing!
Eddie your observation that the major past world civilisations were captivated with sexual lewdity and lawlessness, and that this contributed to thier fall, is well documented.
And yes there is a message for us today. But dont expect fools to understand that.
It is well said that FOOLS MAKE A MOCK AT SIN!
Really now John // August 23, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Some of our commentators are so insecure about the West Indian identity that validation or condemnation of any action or character of our people must be referenced to Africa or Europe.
I know that we are capable of producing things and acts of incredible beauty as well as things and acts of depressing ugliness because we are …. completely human. Africa and Europe does not provide the absolute reference by which we should judge ourselves.
That said, while we can make all kinds of specious arguments, ultimately we are a thinking people (if not we would really deserve to be chattel) and so we know right from wrong. We can discern that which uplifts us from that which denigrates us. Convoluted arguments (worthy only of Derrida) will never make a “silk purse” out of the “cow’s ear” that is licentitious, lewd behavior.
I find it depressing that while I watch Chinese (and other) synchronised swimmers perform incredible feats of athleticism and creativity in the water, we should here extolling as a virtue and a creative act the ability of two or more Barbadians to vigorously rub their pelvic areas together! Some culture!
RE Engineer // August 23, 2008 at 6:26 PM
I will not enter the whole moral and black vs white and African vs European discussion. Because we cannot stray away from either sections the world has long mixed cultures, ethnicities and practices, so we have been and will be continued to be influenced by all of the above so to me it makes no sense trying to denounce one or the other. One interesting point made by Anonymous is that if there are a few members of society that on Kadooment get drunk and start to simulate sexual intercourse that should not give rise to the condemnation of the whole act of wukking up. The persons who engage in what may be considered offensive forms of dance are a vast minority. Most persons in a party environment do a little jam and that is it, there are just a few that may get a bit carried away, but as said previously, the same occurs with drinking. Many, many Barbadians enjoy a good alcoholic beverage, but there are a few that may get drunk and do ridiculous or violent things. Does this mean that there should be a ban of alcoholic beverages because of this? As far as I am concerned for me alcohol serves zero purpose and has caused countless deaths and other issues. But that is another line of argument altogether. I remember I was away when I saw Lil’ Rick’s video Girls Gone Wild and I thought it was amazing, well done and I mean dem had some serious wukkin’ up in dat video and I had to show it to all my international friends to show them how Bajans does really do it. I was proud to do so as well, and most of them were quite amazed and many responded by saying they wanna learn to do that. And it made me feel proud not ashamed. So I don’t get why persons have issues with a purely Barbadian form of dance, don’t get me wrong I am not into the ’stabby-isms’ and humping motions that is a whole other ball game but trust me when de Bajan crew back at school gave a lil’ wukkup everyone was in awe and quite amused. We can do something no other nation can even begin to emulate, be proud!
Eddie // August 23, 2008 at 6:31 PM
Anonymous,
What’s wrong with the Hallelulah choir having its say? Should only one set of like- minded people be able to monopolise?
It is this type of attitude that pretends to champion fairness and free speech, but in reality is highly intolerant of anyone who has a Christian viewpoint.
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 6:37 PM
@ Yardbroom
Would you believe it someone on this blog said “that is white man’s education” as if people should not use information or knowledge unless the source is black?
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This is so nonsensical and it’s splitting hair to prove a point. Reductio ad absurdum – you are reducing the argument to the absurd. “White man’s education” is a system of indoctrination.
It has absolutely nothing to do with “knowledge” friend. Education, information and knowledge are three distinct things.
No one in their right mind is saying to do away with the contribution of western knowledge.
What is being pointed out is how as a people we have been programmed by Cartesian thought – a western thought process – to dislike ourselves.
What we need to do Yardbroom is to take this same “knowledge” and turn it on its head and start to see things differently. Start to question why, why, why. Develop a probing mind and rather then criticize the young people every time we get an opportunity, be more investigative and ask what is the root cause of this behavior.
I believe this is the point John was trying to make in his contribution. It simply needs more research.
Why are people behaving the way the are is the simple question.
But to just dismiss a whole group of persons by invoking the morality tamarind-rod will do no good. The more you flog them with this rod, the more they will resist you.
As for the last comment about Derrida. I dont even know or care who Derrida is. Again, here we go calling out French and other European thinkers to prove that we “know something”.
Just find it funny that you would mention a non-sport like synchonized swimming to make your point about “incredible feats of athleticism” when a 22 year Jamaican that has three world records and is compared to Carl Lewis and Jesse Owens is worthy of celebration.
Brainwashed!
Baba come fuh yuh people!
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 6:39 PM
BABA COME FUH PEOPLE!
JC // August 23, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Hi to every one,
I have mixed views on this issue firstly, I was down the road a day and I saw some cuties (2 little girls) wukking up on their head! hmmmmm
I have a problem with that! A serious problem! what kind of mirror image do we have of oneself!
Secondly,N.B I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WUKKING UP! (I do the dawg on the road). Oh man, I have a ball! However, NO ONE CAN GYRATE AND GET ON AS IF WE HAVING SEX FOR ALL TO SEE!
As Anon said we can ignore them; but what about the 2 cuties whom I saw on their heads we certainly can not IGNORE THEM! After all they are the future ……….
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 6:56 PM
@ Eddie
What’s wrong with the Hallelulah choir having its say? Should only one set of like- minded people be able to monopolise?
It is this type of attitude that pretends to champion fairness and free speech, but in reality is highly intolerant of anyone who has a Christian viewpoint.
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Oh lord now. Nobody aint telling you not to have your viewpoint and throw in ya 10cents worth and praise ya Jesus and shout hallelujah.
All we saying is to invoke de wrath o Jesus in de church first. Start wid de bulling priests and pastors, Jippy doyle and all de rest dat aint get ketch yet. De ones dat carrying way wunna money pon o sundee and picking fares and beating duh wives and buying up houses and cars.
Go and invoke de wrath of God first in your house, then in your church.
Start with yourself…
Eddie // August 23, 2008 at 7:14 PM
Anonymous,
I agree. ” Pick the mote out of your own eyes first”
Starting with yourself first, means both me and you.
Really now John // August 23, 2008 at 7:18 PM
What a fraud “anonymous” is! He/she makes a comment about “this postmodern deconstructionist movement ” and then accuses others of being brainwashed. Who are the originators of “postmodern deconstructivist theory”?!
and RE Engineer states ” Bajan crew back at school gave a lil’ wukkup everyone was in awe and quite amused. We can do something no other nation can even begin to emulate, be proud!”
No other nation can emulate ?! What a contribution to world culture (and he still got it wrong)!
Really now John // August 23, 2008 at 7:37 PM
By the way, let’s repost what Yardbroom wrote in the original post:
“No one would say that wuking up is bad, or should not be allowed…that is obviously silly. What I am addressing is lewd behaviour masking itself as wuking up.”
and following on that observation, he asks:
“Are there no boundaries? How should adults interact with children? Does our public behaviour have any social restraints? Can we enjoy ourselves within a cultural frame that indentifies who we are, without going beyond acceptable bounds or limiting our cultural identity?”
so the issue is NOT about “wuking up” per se but the behaviour of people in the public setting.
Really now John // August 23, 2008 at 8:58 PM
When Barbadian culture is equated inter alia with the development of technology (say alternative energy, or boat building, or furniture manufacture, or sugar technology or mariculture or health care etc) that is, save for raw materials, completely Bajan then that is something to be proud about. By completely Bajan, I mean the intellectual property rights to the technology are held by Bajans, the components are manufactured in Barbados to Bajan specifications, the application is based on designs by Bajans, the maintenance is done by Bajans and the whole sector is either unique to Barbados or so developed in Barbados that the rest of the world seeks our advice and expertise on the matter.
In the interim, those who are resisting the domination of Barbados by Europe or China or the US by wukking up have my sympathetic encouragement.
I can see the headlines now: “US pleads with Barbados not to wuk up, say they will buy Bajan sugar at above world maket price!”
“Saudi Arabia will supply all Barbados oil needs for the next 25 years in return for wuk up lessons in Saudi schools”
“Barbados wins most gold medals at the 2024 olympics in wuk up. Favourite Hanif Singh-Belgrave took the men’s individual category (W1) while the Barbados team won gold in the W4 category. In the women’s individual category Wu Shu Griffith had to be content with silver after an outstanding performance by Samoan Fa’alele Meleki. Outgoing IOC president Jacques Rogge praised the Barbadian performance as the highlight of the Games. Prime Minister Sanjeev Balgobin promises a big reception in Bridgetown for the team. He said he would give them house spots if the government could fiind some but that may not be possible.”
NUH LINGA-(The Jamaican Dance) // August 23, 2008 at 9:52 PM
YOU SEEMED TO HAVE MISSED MY POINT—Anon
I used the point about being prostrate on the ground and simulating sexual intercourse to illustrate what people mught called wukking up but might be offensive and is really not wukking up . This point was not used to condemn everone but to codemn that particular act.
yuh understand Anon. You sound educated by a bit bitter. Are you a lecturer at Cave Hill
Carlos // August 23, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Thank God, that there are still some intelligent people out there, who are making reasonable, well thought out comments on this serious issue, unlike one ‘Anonymous’ whose inability to understand and reason things through to a coherent, logical conclusion, is a direct result of his/her inept, ignorant, arrogant, stupid, complete lack of understaning, re what is wholsome, and uplifting for any people.
Further more, SIN, has no colour, class, creed, nor is it ethnically based or oriented, neither are rich or poor exempt from its grips; as it permeates ‘ALL’ of mankind worlwide, this issue has nothing to do with skin colour, yes, the immediate context of the discussion is centered on B’dos, the majority of whom are of African origin. ‘Truth’ by definition is absolute, and no one culture regardless of its racial origins, can claim any right to it, so that there is no such thing as ‘White’ or ‘Black’ or ‘Brown’ or ‘Yellow’ knowledge, education, etc, etc.
Reason is necessary for revelation to be coherent, regardless of what the subject matter is, unfortunately, some cannot reason things through, but get caught up in all kinds of emotional, useless, vitriolic, venal, vacuous, venomous, diatribe, void of any meaningful, sensible contribution.
If any man be ignorant, let him remain ignorant!
So be it!
Anonymous // August 23, 2008 at 11:31 PM
@ Really now John
“What a fraud “anonymous” is! He/she makes a comment about “this postmodern deconstructionist movement ” and then accuses others of being brainwashed. Who are the originators of “postmodern deconstructivist theory”?! ”
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This postmodernist movement is not theory you ninkenpoop. Who de hell is talking theory. Theory comes after the fact. People dont live a theory. People live, the theorists then look at their lives and form a theory.
Seems as if your idea of development is also very warped. You are brainwashed and whitewashed.
BABA HELP YA PEOPLE NUH MAN!
You need to study African history and philosophy and you will see that if ever there is postmodernist deconstructionist thought its birthplace is in West Africa.
Try reading some of the leading thinkers coming out of the top Nigerian universities and you will be educated as to where the postmodernist discourse started my friend.
@ NUH LINGA
I finally looked at the youtube video post above and this is where the problem is and this is what John is addressing.
What is shown in that video is not wukkup. I dont know what that is but it’s not wukkup.
Therefore to ask the question about wukkup without limits is a bit misleading.
We first need to establish what is wukkup.
@ Carlos
We will never agree because I dont accept that truth is absolute. That’s your smoke screen to come and spout bible verses again. To hell with you and that.
So I’m not going to waste anymore time with you and your hypocritical hallelujah chorus.
Go and join de Virgin Mary, holier-than-thou Eddie and Sanctimonious Yardbroom.
Go and give de priest 10% o ya salary tomorrow and whilst ya at it, pray fuh de young people dat duh wont dance (cause that is not wukkup) so nasty to offend de likes of you.
I trust that all o wunna in de hallelujah chorus are without sin cause wunna really casting a lot o stones.
Carlos // August 24, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Anonymous, you are so full of and consumed by hatred, anger, bitterness, animosity, and inverted racism, that cannot see the trees from the jungle; keep writing and continue to expose you abased, utterly warped mindset!
Adrian Hinds // August 24, 2008 at 12:59 AM
So what is the argument about? The leading youtube video clip shows a Bajan Dance process, whereby a man completes several pelvic thrust into the backside of a bent over female. The title of the article refers to this Dance routine as “WUKKING UP WITHOUT LIMITS”. Some say it is a cultural habit brought from Africa, …others say it is not wukking up at all, and therefore not of African origins. What are the similarities between the two? Can I say that both are sexual movements? Uh mean why else and where else would a woman “wuk up”? So “wukking up without limits” and “wukking up” as captured in several African dance routines, can pretty much be summed up as reenacting sexual activity, with one being more provocative than the other. Is this it? is this the real issue? Is sex so much in the collective minds of West Indians and Africans that we must reflect such in song, dance and HIV/AIDS infection rates? Just because Gabby say um is we culture doesn’t mean that we must blindly continue with it. Wunnuh cannot expect to be taken seriously on the world stage when develop countries have to keep sending money to the Caribbean and Africa to fight HIV/AIDS while we continue to practice we culture of sex and more sex even in song and dance.
David // August 24, 2008 at 1:01 AM
For the information of the BU family the YouTube video was inserted by us and not Yardbroom. Our commonsense suggest to us that the perception of the Bajan public about wukkin up is inclusive of all these wild acts which can be seen on the road on Kadooment Day and in the MANY fetes sprouting up all over the place.
While others engage in the semantics of the argument we are with Yardbroom as he tries to explore the a behaviour which is current and which maybe symptomatic of something greater, a proactive society would want to discuss, No?
J // August 24, 2008 at 2:12 AM
Man Anonymous, you being too cruel den.
Ease up nuh
J // August 24, 2008 at 2:34 AM
Dear JC:
Were the 2 cuties on their heads and still doing the pelvic thrusting bit?
I would have thought that that was impossible.
But hey what do I know.
RE Engineer // August 24, 2008 at 4:45 AM
@Really now John
Clearly you have completely misunderstood what I said. Because I am unclear how you can say talk about adding something to the world by wukking up. Does the Nuhh Linga dance that Bolt did after his tremendous win add something to the world? It is a trademark something that says I am proud of my heritage. Plus as I said more than once is that lewd and indecent behaviour I do not agree with. And if you are going to go down the line of developing technology that is a whole new can of worms that is far more political than anything. I will not even go down the line about the ridiculous braindrain and hurdles one has to go through here in Barbados when it comes to science and technology. When golden apple pie can beat out a solar dryer in a innovator’s competition. And persons are awarded Student Revolving Loans and National Development Scholarships to study Accounts and Psychology that can be studied at UWI and others who want to study engineering and medicine are denied. All these things have nothing to do with expression through dance. I can’t blame Anonymous for being angry, though I think he/she should not take this all to heart. It is just another one of those issues that people probably would never see eye to eye on but at the end of the day everyone is entitled to their opinions and methods of expression. So if I were to go down the line of the others here. Drinking alcohol offends me, nasty habit, abolish it. Proselytizing christians offend me therefore they should be banished. Now what do you say to that?
Carlos // August 24, 2008 at 9:13 AM
To those of you, who are attempting to analyze this issue soberly and intelligently, this is great, we need this interaction. However, the ‘core’ of this problem, like all others that affect humanity, worlwide, is NOT an sociological matter, nor psycological matter, nor in anyway, a colour/race issue, as some would like to say it is, BUT, rather, the heart of the matter, is ‘SIN’ which manifest its ugly head
every where througout ALL nations, none, absolutely none are exempt from its devious tentacles, which is inherent in our fallen, sinful nature.
Therefore, it simply cannot be educated away, nor philosophized away, as it is essentially a ’spiritual’ problem, emanating from within mankinds ’soul’ his/her spirit, this is precisely why it has no ‘colour/racial’ label, and is rampant in its various manifestation, in all ‘Nations’ unless we come to grips with this reality, and deal with it at source, it is a utter waste of time.
Those who do not want a Christian imput into this debate, and suggest that the ‘church’ should keep quiet, should consider the following statement, made by Carl Horn III, J.D., University of South Carolina, Attorney, Civil Rights Division, United States Department of Justice, Washington, D.C, as he dealt with another similiar matter, vis-a-vis the importance and relevance of what the religious side has to say:
“It was thought until recently , by the cultural leadership of the western world, that (the source of public values) had been resolved…by excluding religion or religious-based morality from the public arena…The idea of the separation of church and state…has by remarkable convolution of logic and law, come to mean in the minds of many people the separation of religiously based values from public policy. But, the period is now past when it was assumed that these issues could be resolved by simply removing one side of the debate from the public square…We are not talking about imposing a belief system, BUT, rather about resisting the imposition of alien belief systems that IMPOSE themselves under the guise of being value-neutral and value free, when in fact they are laden with all kinds of values which are alien to the beliefs, the dreams, the very convictions of the American people” ( And I dare say most Barbadians!)
The scout // August 24, 2008 at 9:44 AM
The moral values of barbadians is of great concern to right thinking bajans. We are losing our values fast and with that our culture; the culture of being our brother’s keeper. The bad thing is that not only the young peoiple but some old people also are caught up in this spiral decline. Let us remember our MOTTO ” PRIDE and INDUSTRY.”
Really now John // August 24, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Anonymous in scorning what he assumes to be my idea of development found it convenient to ignore the words “inter alia” in my post. My reference to technology is to remind us that a culture is much more than the performing arts or public festivals. I wonder if Barbados spends as much money on say scientific research as it does on Crop Over? That is not to say that the money on Crop Over is not well spent but do we (as a nation) percieve the development of an indigenous technological sector as important? Maybe some will argue that science and technology is beyond us and wuk up (the performing arts) is our thing enjoying a sort of comparative advantage.
RE engineer, wrote: “Plus as I said more than once is that lewd and indecent behaviour I do not agree with.”
But what is lewd and indecent behaviour? Isn’t this the issue? Where the lines i.e. the limits are drawn I always thought was the issue Yardbroom wanted us to consider. For example, like RE Engineer I did not find Lil Rick’s video offensive but some of my female work colleagues took great exception to the same video. Beauty is as they say is in the eye of the beholder. I don’t seek to abolish anything or to have “wuk up” police or to impose my choices on anyone else but we all have a sense of what is “good” or “bad”. Just don’t bring some specious argument about resisting oppression, or about giving expression to our Africaness to justify (worse: to validate) uncouth behaviour (such as that shown in the YouTube video).
Ralph Jemmott is his book “An Uncommon Currency” in the chapter titled “The Great Betrayal” raises some of the same concerns as those of Yardbroom. He quotes Prof Henry Fraser who wrote ” I categorically deny that the bumper and belly culture promoted by some of our entertainers and some of our media is traditional Bajan culture, desirable Bajan culture or acceptable Bajan culture. I categorically refuse to accept that the lewd and licentious behaviour progressively imposed on us as Bajan culture is right, or must be accepted. And I categorically refuse to accept that the rate and range of pelvic gyrations is the cultural barometer by which Barbados culture should be judged. I believe that something is fundamentally wrong in the state, in the community and in our minds when adults are amused and entertained by the precocious pelvic performances of little children.” Mr Jemmott further bemoaned the effect that crass entertainment values were having on Bajan youth particularly as these have acted as deterrents to improved qualitative and quantitative academic outcomes. He ends that chapter with another quote by Dr Johnetta Cole (President of Spelman College in Atlanta, Georgia) in which she stated “we are losing our Black children to the ravages of ignorance, preventable social pathologies and a disconnect from spiritual and moral traditions that sustained our Black communities for centuries.”
Jemmott in another chapter in which he examined those factors influencing lawful and disciplined social conduct, identified trends in “an intellectual culture which is marked by esoteric theorisation and expression which supports deconstructivism and relativism which in reality is submerging western thought in fatal meaninglessness” . This contributes to the diminishing of the conscriptive force of notions of personal responsibility and social cohesion. “We no longer feel a sense of repugnance or shame at acts that once were an affront to a sense of personal or social probity.” he opined.
What ever the many facets of our culture, it is my belief that issues of the overarching values will always face us. Yardbroom’s questions will always require a response.
(By the way I am NOT Ralph Jemmott nor a religious person)
Anonymous // August 24, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Saint Carlos:
Wha you doing up online all hours o de nite?
You aint went church dis morning?
I was up online all nite watching xxxxx.
You should go there and see some nice free porn, if ya lucky ya might see ya pastor fooping a young girl behind de altar.
Y A H Y P O C R I T E!
Anonymous // August 24, 2008 at 12:06 PM
@ Really now John:
Please name one society that is advanced in S&T that does not have a strong cultural sector.
Just name one.
Secondly, who the hell are you to determine what is lewd. I’m sure you enjoyed de gynastics at de olympics with people wearing skimpy outfits and doing acrobatic stunts wid all duh crotches exposed. Dah was culture right? Dah was decent right? De synchronized dancing or whatever de shite dah is was artistic right?
But people wukking up wid duh clothes on is lewd?
You are one stupid bitch!
Anonymous // August 24, 2008 at 12:14 PM
There goes BU exercising its editorial license!
Anonymous // August 24, 2008 at 12:25 PM
David you are missing the point.
This is to demonstrate how people cringe when it gets raw and dirty and real. This is a cultural trait that has many negative outcome. This fear to deal with what is real in it most naked form.
So continue to exercise your editorial license when it suits you my friend.
This proves my point.
Shove it under the rug and cringe at the thought of people dry humping on the streets. Be critical and continue to say how lewd it is.
David // August 24, 2008 at 12:26 PM
@Anonymous
We simply don’t have the time to manage YOU. Yes indeed we have editorial license which we are loathed to use. We think we have been extremely tolerant of how you have chosen, as an educated Barbadian, to package your arguments. To be frank we have been embarrassed at times. Use your intellect to make your points and stop using BU as a social experiment!
The other point we should make is that the BU household is a product of a culture where respect for others will trump in ALL situations. You can discuss what you like but make sure that the sense of decency which Barbadians have come to be known for is respected. The icing on our feedback to you is something our grandmother would preach.
RESPECT YOUR ELDERS!
Really now John // August 24, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Anonymous
Your style of debating seems to have been developed in the psychiatric hospital. To wit, you have made no rational point in defense of that which you promote; have ranted on about unrelated matters; attempted to be insulting through ad hominen attacks (on persons posting anonymously no less); and have postulated some kind of sociological mumbo jumbo that is so irrational and ahistorical that any cogent response is defeated.
Whew!
David are you serious that this person held positions of great responsibility? Incredible!
He may have the last word.
Anonymous // August 24, 2008 at 12:34 PM
“and have postulated some kind of sociological mumbo jumbo that is so irrational and ahistorical that any cogent response is defeated”
Can you translate that into english or bajan?
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I’m sorry David, I will not be part of the hypocrisy of political correctness. Sorry!
Anonymous // August 24, 2008 at 12:39 PM
@ David
“Use your intellect to make your points and stop using BU as a social experiment!”
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I’m not sure who you are refering to. Anyways, if you’d like me to speak the queen’s english and be as sanctimious and hypocritical as those on this thread, I can try. Not sure how successful I will be though cause the truth hurts.
Eddie // August 24, 2008 at 12:45 PM
David,
I too think that you have made a mistake. Anonymous could never have held a “position of great responsibility”.
His crude and embarrassing attempts to communicate suggest otherwise.
Anonymous // August 24, 2008 at 1:07 PM
“and have postulated some kind of sociological mumbo jumbo that is so irrational and ahistorical that any cogent response is defeated.”
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Can u translate that into English or bajan.
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@ David
Let me try to answer the question in simple terms.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with wukkup.
There is no such thing as wukkup without limits.
Is there ballet or samba or cha cha without limits.
Wukkup is a dance with strong elements of African retention.
The youtube video that you put up there is not wukkup. That’s something else besides wukkup.
On a personal level I have no problem having a sexual taunt or tease in their dancing. This is practised in all cultures bar none.
The problem I have is with the moralites who present one face to society then SIN in the dark. There is no little sin and big sin.
The same people dat come here and criticize the dirty dancing, fooping outside marriage, horning, hating and committing all de sins you can think of…none of us is without sin.
Who the hell am I to come here and call people lewd and crude. I dont have that right.
Anonymous // August 24, 2008 at 1:10 PM
“and have postulated some kind of sociological mumbo jumbo that is so irrational and ahistorical that any cogent response is defeated”
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Please translate into English or Bajan.
Q // August 24, 2008 at 8:04 PM
Yes Anonymous seems to be a certain lecturer at Cave Hill
and we say seems to be because we dont want to be dogmatic
We would want to make Anon sweat a little
J // August 24, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Dear Anonynous:
I am happy to translate for you.
When Really Now John said “and have postulated some kind of sociological mumbo jumbo that is so irrational and ahistorical that any cogent response is defeated”
In Bajan that means that Really Now John thinks that you are talking sh**e
J // August 24, 2008 at 9:56 PM
and that he ain’t gine answer yah.
No need to thank me. I am always happy tohelp
Anonymous // August 25, 2008 at 11:36 AM
J, thanks for the translation cause I didnt understand one ra_ _hole he/she was trying to say.
MARY // August 25, 2008 at 8:33 PM
This is what is wrong with the world today no one is prepared to take a stance on what is right and what is wrong. As i said we need to check our selves .Everytime someone has to speak out on any issue in Barbados especially morality it comes down to the white man , English education and the whole lot.
The next thing is that you attack the church.Of course the church has sin! .Where else would the devil go to get his followers? After all he has those out there already. The church is a hospital for sinners.
It is amazing that you people know what is right and still cannot show us who you think are wrong the excellent way.
We curse who go to church yet however if we hit our toe the first thing is Jesus Christ! Be flat on our backs in the hospital it is Lord help me or you are there bargaining with the Lord on what you will do when you get better.
Oh the typ[e of wuking up we see today is a subculture and one we could do without.
We seem in this country to always uphold what is wrong .
The thing here is that some people who know better are those you are trying to keep those with impressionable minds down. After all someone has to be on the bottom rung of the ladder. These same people say oh nothing is wrong with wuking up , oh it is okay to listen to
Loud ,lewd music on the minibus that cannot stop you from learning .These same people drive their kids to ballet and all that jazz. They send their children to colleges over seas even if they come back with a BA -by or locks.At least it was not done here to shame them. What is more hypocritical?
We are our worse enemies ! To thine own self be true. Dont be blogging just because someone else is carrying on.Think for yourselves
By the way this is not an english class. We are always sweating the small stuff. The real issue is that you can dance without compromising your morals. Secondly i am sure not every person wuking up on the ground and in all types of position are under the influence of any drugs .
Is calypso music the opiate for our people?
Finally you all will get and blog alot of crap to try to get one up .The truth is not one of you will be amused to see your child ,your sister or brothers children doing the dog as they say without going home or calling and complaining .
Yardbroom // August 26, 2008 at 4:48 AM
Mary
I am delighted that you have shown courage and the strength of character to return to the debate, and have advanced our thinking.
We as a people have to shine a light for our youngsters. To suggest – as has been done here – that there should be no limits on anything is puerile nonsense. It has been said here:
…”its all about man’s free will”…
We are “free” but society limits that freedom. Our lives are governed by limits and Laws. As we step into our cars to drive to work, we encounter speed “limits.” The penalties imposed in the courts for specific offences – Tariffs – what we can write in print – libel – what we can speak – slander.
We are never totally free in a “society”.
To suggest there are no limits or should be no limits, is boyish nonsense bordering on delusion, and no amount of swearing or cuss words can redeem it.
Society dictates there should be limits, if there are no limits there will be no society…welcome to the abyss of darkness.
Anonymous // August 26, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Yardbroom:
Are you suggesting to put limits and laws on people wukking up now?
What is dis?
As you said, “We as a people have to shine a light for our youngsters.”
I couldnt agree more. The reason why the younsters are the way they are is because duh learn from wunna. Duh see how hypocritical wunna is and does laff when wunna come wid wunna moralistic nonsense.
When parents and de older generations lead by example, de youngsters will follow suit. Until such time, they will continue to rebel and no amount moralistic preaching gonna change dah.
Start to speak to young people in their language and stop talking down to dem for a change.
Yardbroom // August 26, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Anonymous,
The example you have set is to come on this blog using all kinds of abusive language. Is that the example you set for young people? is that what they should follow?
When you denigrate people you do not know and accuse them of fornication, of looking at pornography, of being the cause of HIV/AIDS, of abusing children, of going to church and not being serious about it. I am not at all surprised that the people you work which to which you have alluded with distaste, have a problem with you.
I do not know you “Sir” but if your respect for others is always as it has been displayed on this blog, you are the last person I would seek for leadership.
Your inability to discuss without making wild accusations of people you do not know, displays a degree of bitterness and anger which no sensible discussion will assuage.
I will now leave you to your usual retort of foul abuse and swearing, and as you do so I will just “smile” and move on.
…” By age nineteen, he had published, at his own expense, two slim volumes, which showed a remarkably wide range of reading, including Homer, Dante, Shakespeare, Joyce, T.S Eliot, and Pound”.
The above is reference to guess who?
Derek Walcott
What a good thing he had the “wisdom” not to think of white man’s learning.
The above is a quotation from his most recent book.
Derek Walcott: Selected Poems, Selected by Edward Baugh
Published by Faber and Faber, 2007
ISBN 978-0-571-22710-5
I commend it to you, it is a good read.
“Some people talk the talk, others “Do”.
Anonymous // August 26, 2008 at 1:42 PM
By now Yardbroom you should know that the above “you” did not refer to Yardbroom…but hey, if the cap fits you then wear it.
You got a problem with “abusive language” you got a problem with wukkin up. You simply got a f_ _king problem. You c_ _ t!
I went to school in the 70s and we were fooping and smoking marijuana at school. You think de problem now start? You c_ _t.
FILL IN DE BLANKS.
FYI. I know all of Derek Walcott’s work!
Georgie Porgie // August 26, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Yardbroom
I do not know you. But I respect you from the way you conduct yourself and the quality of your prose.
You are a patient man it seems. BUt as I have told you before you are a thoroughbred in a race with a jackass.
What you are essentially doing in your posts in this thread is what the Bible calls CASTING YOUR PEARLS BEFORE THE SWINE.
I beseach you to desist!
Go read the words of Titus 1:15
Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
What true words! DEFILED MINDS
Anonymous // August 26, 2008 at 2:55 PM
Dis is de same c_ _t GP dat does come on here calling Mia Mottley all kinds of dirty names quoting de Bible now?
Then I’ve proven my point. Wunna does quote de bible when um suit wunna…
Anonymous // August 26, 2008 at 2:59 PM
Yardbroom:
I place this in an area post and maybe fate would have it that it was not post.
But for your info, I love to wukkup and I love to foop and I hope that when I was conceived that my parents had a good wukkup and a good foop.
I’m hoping I was the product of hot wild passion and not a boring foop.
I hope dat in de heat of de passion dat duh did cursing stink and enjoying each other to the max. I’d like to believe that I am a product of good raw indecent nasty sex.
Anonymous // August 26, 2008 at 3:06 PM
Pray tell since when is a sexual dance considered lewd.
@ Yardbroom
“Your inability to discuss without making wild accusations of people you do not know, displays a degree of bitterness and anger which no sensible discussion will assuage.”
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Yea, I’m angry and bitter as hell. Angry and bitter that the likes of you continue to have say in Barbados. Dat wunna stinking hypocrites running de show. Yea, I real bitter and real angry. And people like wunna need to stay real far from me cause when de revolution start we gonna bun down de babylon system and all de moralites with it.
The scout // August 26, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Anonymous
You’re getting very eratic; please cool yourself. I have more respect for you than that. Respect yourself.
Anonymous // August 26, 2008 at 3:27 PM
Ok man. I goin and drink a rum!
The scout // August 26, 2008 at 3:39 PM
Anonymous
They say “a rum a day keeps the doctor away.” Like most things; don’t overdo.
Have a good afternoon.
ganong // August 26, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Annonymous GP never called Mottley any bad names. Because he was unsure of Mottley’s sex he referred to Motley as an “it”. He did not curse her or call her a bad name.
Maybe he thinks that her MIND is also DEFILED too. Who knows?
JC // August 26, 2008 at 5:15 PM
Anon I respect you for your boldness! But let everyone have an opinion! You is something else doh!
Anonymous // August 26, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Aiight, aiight. I cool down now.
Q // August 26, 2008 at 6:22 PM
ANON ?
Are you or are you not a lecturer at CAVE HILL ?
Anonymous // August 26, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Cave Hill lecturers dont cuss and get on so. I dont tink dat dem like to wukkup. Dem decent up dey. I aint decent. I does drink nuff rum , pick fares, watch porn and gamble. And i aint no hypocrite.
J // August 27, 2008 at 12:34 AM
AnonL
We like you even though you does cuss and drink rum etc. We want you to live long. So please cut out the fare picking, porn and gambling, and limit the rum drinking to no more than 2 per day. We want you to be around for a long time
You add some spice (or maybe I should say saltiness) to this blog.
Anonymous // August 27, 2008 at 1:05 AM
At least leh muh keep de porn man. One must have a vice and porn safe. Besides, nuff o it free pon de Internet now.
Anonymous // August 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Tell me someting doh. Anybody see de Minister o Culsha wukkin up pon de front page yesterday?
Q // August 27, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Anon
yuh cant fool me
you iz a lecturer at UWI
ask me how i know ??
Negroman // August 27, 2008 at 5:07 PM
Anonymous I agree with many of your comments.This country has nothing but hyproctites and people with deceit.
Black people in Barbados allowed corrupt,wicked and immoral white europeans to determine our value system.Those unbalance,semi-retarded no rythmn white people who cannot dance like us black people condemn our dancing as vulgar because of envy.We are expressive people and we have the rythmn of life and must express it.I see nothing wrong with the way we as black people dance.
I visited Cuba and some Latin America countries and when I saw those people dance it appears it was simulations sex acts being performed.The rythmic gyrations were a sight to behold.I enjoyed it.
Wukking up is not vulgar or lewd.It is our way of dance to our calypso music and it must not be stifle.Black people continue to wuk up and show the rythmn of life we have that the other races do not have.Melanin in us gave us that ability to connect with nature and be rythmic.Do not allow the other degeneric ethnics groups to tell us what we must do or not do.To hell with the hyprocites.
Anonymous as you said all of us came from wukking up,therfore it cannot be bad.I wish to believe that my parents also enjoyed the sex they had when producing me.I hope theydid the dog,cat & puupy.Sex is sweet and it must be enjoy.I als get on bad when I am in the act and my partner does the same.We are expressive people .
Down with european values and big up african expression.
Wukkin up is nice.
Warrior // August 27, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Q // August 27, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Anon
yuh cant fool me
you iz a lecturer at UWI
ask me how i know ??
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How you know?
Warrior // August 27, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Anonymous // August 27, 2008 at 1:05 am
At least leh muh keep de porn man. One must have a vice and porn safe. Besides, nuff o it free pon de Internet now.
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Oh yeah?, Who tell you so. I always looked at your contributions with a cock eye and more than a pinch of salt. But now I know.
read the below link.
http://www.pureintimacy.org/gr/intimacy/understanding/a0000121.cfm
Warrior // August 27, 2008 at 6:14 PM
And here is another one for good measure
http://www.pureintimacy.org/gr/intimacy/understanding/a0000133.cfm
Anonymous // August 27, 2008 at 6:32 PM
@ Negroman:
Wha de hell u come and start me back up agen fuh wid dese hypocrites. I was very quiet wid my rum in my lil corner watching porn pon de Internet.
Dese brainwashed, whitewashed c_nts dat playing so hoity toity wid demselves does sicken me to de stomach. Black skins white masks.
Dem dont realize dat dem tinking is part of a 500 year experiment dat forced dem to hate demselves as black people. Even all de counter-arguments duh trying to use is a demonstration of how well dem was programmed.
Ef you dig deep enuf you will realize dat dese same cu_ts got a problem wid bajan dialeck, wid locks, wid de lil boy in de senate dat wearing he plaits.
One ting doh, duh seem pretty consistent in duh hypocrisy.
Den quoting french philosophers and shakespeare as ef dah is a yardstick fuh knowledge or intelligence. And resorting to de bible when it suits dem.
Who gives two wukkups bout shakespeare or dem bulling french philosophers. Tink bout how de french does still treat black people and de period in which shakespeare wrote and tell me ef any black man wid sense would go around regurgitating dese people that cared NOTHING bout dem.
Yuh really tink shakespeare did cay bout black people. And some jackass above talk some shite bout a french philosopher name Derrida like ef Derrida or Sherrida give a fu_k bout he or she.
Now pray tell.
Dese people does mek me sooooooooooo sick.
Yuh know Negroman, unlearning is harder dan learning.
I always say dat de whiteman has no problem in barbados wid his 200 ooo black subjects dere at his command.
I’m happy dat u r so enlightened my brother. Help dese fools to un-learn doo.
BABA COME AND SAVE YUH CHILDREN NUH.
Anonymous // August 27, 2008 at 6:38 PM
@ Warrior
Dem links is pure hogwash. Ef dem did busy fooping or drinking dem didnt gonna have so much time to write so much shite.
Ef you dont look at porn, dah’s you bizness! Dont come and judge me. I LAV IT.
I does go by chubbies and ask fuh de hard cover book underneath de counter. I aint shame. Check me in New York in all de sex shops buying up my porn.
Warrior // August 27, 2008 at 7:10 PM
Well boy!.
Its too easy to bait you. Sorry.
JC // August 27, 2008 at 7:47 PM
ha ha ha ha ha anon you and negroman is something else!
SWEETNESS // August 27, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Wanna wuk-up till wanna dead
All of we does wuk-up at some point
Mary should realise that it is the older folks who misbehave themselves on de roads
Some of dem does even walk and wuk-up so stop de whinning
David // August 28, 2008 at 7:10 AM
It is a shame in our opinion that this discussion has descended to the point where some are consumed with sex and the expense of the issue raised. A not too careful read of Yardbroom speaks about whether we should have limits on how we wukkup and he attached examples. We should analyze his point in this context.
No where has he stated that wukkin up is not our culture.
Should we have a free for all for anything that we do as a people and be happy to label it culture?
If that is the case fine. As a society can we manage our ‘culture’ in a vacuum given the overall workings of the society?
Who is responsible for pushing moral positions that help shape the way we live?
Given the current penetration of other cultures given our changing demographic and the pressure to maintain our Bajaness, where does this put us?
Many questions which we can raise based on the introspective piece by Yardbroom. There is nothing wrong with thinking and exchanging views which can lead to examining positions held. It can all be done with respect, the colourful language may make for interesting theatre for some, and we are willing to tolerate it to a point if some are limited by expression (it maybe our culture) but we want substance as well!
MARY // August 28, 2008 at 8:01 AM
Exactly David , This topic can be debated without all the swear words .That has been my point all through .We do things and when questioned we say it is our culture or why dont we mind A, B or C. Like the cursing ,we all have our own views .Therefore the colourful language is out of place .
Let us be adults about it .This is a serious topic. It does not matter if the contributors are black ,brown ,english, middle class old or young.The matter is that we are are trying to get a take on this particular subject and hopefully we all will see how we are falling as a society .Then as individuals we can try to make it better for those generations to come . This behaviour would not encourage visitors to this site to make their comments which is the whole idea of its existance i hope. If they will be cussed out and called names WHY BOTHER . Let us be mature about it . Remember everyone has their own opinion. Using cuss words dont show maturity.
Going to the university or attaining the age of 18 does not signify maturity either ,it is your state of mind .
Anonymous // August 28, 2008 at 8:25 AM
Let us set the ten commandments of decent wukkup to please our Hallelujah Chorus.
Thou shall not jook!
Thou shall not bend over!
Thou shall not pouch back!
Thou shall not wukkup too fast, it has to be a slow decent wine (even if the music is fast beat)!
Thou shall not be sandwiched while wukkin up!
Thou shall not put thy hand and thy head while wukkin up.
Thou shall not use swear words while wukkin up as this may be deemed offensive.
Thou shall not wukkin in the presence of children under 18 and god forbid if a little child wukkup on an adult. How gross!
Thou shall not simulate anything that is remotely sexual while wukking up.
Remember wukkin up is a sinful act that if committed will lead to eternal damnation.
Negroman // August 28, 2008 at 9:04 AM
Anonymous
The hyprocrites are at it again.I heard one of the biggest hyprocites in Barbados Matthew Farley on the radio this morning talking about the new dress code for school children.This shameless clown who was so hostile and critical of the young senator hairstyle has now appease the indian community in Barbados.
Scarfs have been ban from being worn by school children.However,exceptions have being made for indians school children to wear scarfs because it is associated with their religion.
Only in this stupid country Barbados that the minority rules the majority.Look how our leaders have catapulted to the whims & fancy of the indians.More to come.
I hope the rastafari movement in Barbados observes these happenning and react appropriately if discrimation comes to any of their chilkdren as a result of their religious practise.
Anonymous,these are the hyprocrites we are talking about.Matthew Farley,Ronald Jones,David Thompson,Wendy Griffith -Watson & Idamay Denny.
HYPROCRITES THEY ALL ARE.
MARY // August 28, 2008 at 9:06 AM
This earth is on loan to us all.Let us leave a Barbados which our children and our childrens children can live in with some modicum of peace and decency . There is no place or no one here on earth that is perfect . That does not mean that we as a people must settle for anything just because it may be popular at the time .All that glitter is not gold as we know .
We owe it to our people and especially the young impressionable minds to set standards .
Aim high! Aim for the light pole and we might hit the concrete curb if we fall. Aim for the stars should you fall the clouds are still there.
It is time we as a people stop minding other people and look at ourselves .It is time to stop blaming the white man and those dead people who were slave owners and the dead poets who left the books that we read and enjoy.
We need to stop blaming the church because it is people like us who make up the church .
We cannot reverse the past but we can do something about our future as far as our people ,education enlightenment and so on is concerned .The BLAMING GAME HAS TO STOP!
We should never forget our past because it determines our future .However we should not let past experiences make us bitter .Infact it should make us better.Especially if these were negative.
For some contributors the sarcasm doesnt cut it because it is people like you who are hypocrites . Save the theatre for another blog or time .
Since we know that the french ,the english and all other writers and everyone from 1966 were liars ,traitors ,hypocrites and so on show us the right way!
In this way the people to come will see your excellent work (don’t continue to waste your whit,theatrical style and fine writing styles on this site).I hope they dont think the same thing of you all.
With thse word i sign off from this forum .
I am a young person , I attend university and my views are not just for blogging sake . I believe that i have a positive contribution to make to society . I will continue where ever possible to assist fellow youth and other persons to strive to be the best that they can be .
At the end of the day i would hope i can make a difference in the life of someone who would be better for it .
Really now ... // August 28, 2008 at 9:21 AM
Can “anonymous” as a self described middle aged, alchoholic, paedophile who harbours thoughts of sexual inadequacy (may even be impotent),
- who is a perverse sexual voyeur (or as Bajans would term it a “webber”)
- who probably hates his parents and much of what he believes they stood for,
- who may have been sexually abused by a cleric or by even a parent,
- who believes himself superior to the vast majority of Barbadians (who he claims to be foolish and self-hating),
- who has rejected most of the traditional Barbadian sources of ethical teaching and is deluded that he is somehow a leader (no, a messiah) bringing liberation to the masses,
- who thinks it chic (oh so progressive!) to replace belief in Christianity (because he sees it as European and so contributing to his inferior status) with a contorted belief in a Yoruba (?) religion which really is just an affectation for him anyway,
have a dispassionate discussion of substance with ordinary Barbadians? Really now..
and to think that such a person garners the respect of others for stating the above!
J // August 28, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Dear Anonymous:
Try and lef out de porn and find a real man or a real woman t have a real HUMAN relationship with.
When ya old and sick and have a lame foot ya tink that any of the porn actresses or actors will come and make a cup of tea fa ya or run to de drug store to pick up ya medicine.
Get from in front of your computer and tv and get out in the real world real, real people.
Ah gone man!!!
Anonymous // August 28, 2008 at 12:59 PM
@ J
Lef me and my porn nuh man. Lemme enjoy my vices of porn, rum and ganja.
I’m a self-proclaimed degenerate.
Lef me lone nuh man.
Avatar Girl // August 28, 2008 at 8:03 PM
What did Mary say?
“Aim for the stars & if you fall, the clouds will still be there?”
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Sweetie, do you know what clouds are MADE OF?!?!
NOTHING SOLID, THAT’S WHAT!
Trust me, you hit A LOT harder if you fall from the stars…provided you don’t BURN UP in the earth’s atmosphere first.
Please don’t use a practical analogy for an idealist theory, ok? If you aim for a light pole, you WILL fall on the concrete. If you aim for the stars, you’ll obliterate yourself @ 800,000 feet! Pure & simple!
I will be realistic…AIM FOR YOUR LIMIT, THEN SURPASS IT! Only you will know what your limit is, and if you can, in fact, surpass it. SO encourage what is real, and quit the “rose-glasses” double -talk!
J // August 28, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Dear Anonymous:
Ganja too?
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous // August 29, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Well I would have to smoke a joint if dat stupid bitch above dey tink she could pychoanalyze me wid all o dat european bogus science.
She needs to go and sit in de middle of hot desert, open she legs, and let a scorpion bite she clitoris to have some excitement is she life.
Q // August 29, 2008 at 7:02 PM
Anonymous,these are the hyprocrites we are talking about.Matthew Farley,Ronald Jones,David Thompson,Wendy Griffith -Watson & Idamay Denny.
HYPROCRITES THEY ALL ARE.
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wait david thompson is a hypocrite ????
oh me oh my !!
lol lol lol lol
i did not know that
lol lol lol
LMAO
THOMPSON is a hypocrite
ah caan believe it—-Idamay Denny TOO ??
Anonymous // August 31, 2008 at 4:13 AM
Hi girls and boys!! Forgive me for inserting a little, input here, which is n’t entirely, relevant to the above subject but I hope that my friends, David, Technician and Adrian, especially, will forgive me!! I know that Technician, especially, is a bit sensitive about racial-names, so I might not be so lucky with him!!
I’ve been away for a few days and only just discovered the furore which apparently, I’ve been causing at BFP in my own abscence!!
Anyhow, in the hope that I won’t also, be banned from here and in an attempt to express my own view about the subject in their ‘Obama assassination plot in Denver’ discussion I should just like to take this opportunity to explain my own position!!
Below is a post which I’ve submitted to BFP this morning, however, I can’t be certain that they’ll publish it!!
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Hi guys and girls, I’ve been away and only just noticed the furore!!
Listen, I’m sometimes, surprised at how over-sensitive Bajans can be but if u think ud like to deprive yourselves of my segacious, comments then by all means, do so!!
Just for the record; of all of you, Mr Gresham seems to be the only person who has interpreted my comment correctly!!
“My understanding of Bimbro’s piece (congratulations to you for offering it to us and opening yourself to criticism) I think he was describing what he thought a white supremacist would think, not what he thought”.
I must admit that I, too, was surprised by the use by BFP, or admittance, of the ‘n’ word!! I guess its use must be less, ‘offensive’ than my monkey, jibe!!?!!!!
I have n’t finished reading the all the comments, yet, but thank Adrian, if he was seeking to defend me!! We shall speak again, no doubt, bro!!
For the moment, I’ve got to go bros!! Breakfast an all dat!! But, otherwise, I ready to rock!Anybudy else coming?!!!!
Lorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!
P.S. BFP for the govt. of Bim!!!! Clive or me for PM!!!!
Lorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!
Bimbro // August 31, 2008 at 4:14 AM
Hi guys, still ‘getting back into the swing of things’!!
That above, post is from me!!
Regards!!
Bimbro // August 31, 2008 at 5:22 AM
I always, refer to myself, as ‘the embodiment of segacity’!! However, I can understand that u might have a different, view!!
Laaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddddd!!!! :)
Bimbro // August 31, 2008 at 6:42 AM
Hi boys and girls, as u know, I’ve been away for a few days and had lots of wonderful, experiences and some sad, which I’m bursting to recount to u so, here goes!!
While in town yesterday, I happended to b standing outside a shop which seemed to be VERY, busy especially, with black, female clients!! I thought, but wha de *ass, ‘day giving-way black, men in day or wha!! So, I decided to check for this shop’s merchandise!! First, allow me to explain that it was a fair-size, ASIAN, establishment!!
However, when I checked what was so enticing to these black, women, u would never guess what it was!! Unless, of course, ur a BLACK, woman reading this!!
I thought, ‘was it black, MEN they were giving away’?!! No!!
I thought, ‘well, maybe it’s money’!! No, well everybody appreciates, money!! But, no!!
Ladies and gentlemen!! Well, gentlemen, anyway!! U would n’t believe the merchandise of this shop!!
Blouse and skirt!! If it was n’t, and wait for it, please, ladies and gentlemen!!
If it was n’t, blouse and skirt!! WIGS!! and other hair accoutrements!!
I had to look at dese black, women and thought!! But wha d *ass!! Big, bright, Saturday morning and the most cathartic, activity in which they could get involved was, wasting the family-money, on buying, WIGS and hair-pieces!!
My heart sank, and I jump in d car and went bout my business, man!!
Black women, foolish doah nuh?!!
D ting is dat me luv my black women, but I consider they’re beautiful, enough the way they popped-out of the womb!! I don’t see any need for them to have encrustations!! In fact, more often than not, they look far worse, AFTER, their application!!
Don’t u agree, with me?!!
More riveting, stories shortly!!
Multifarious, exhortations to my MALE, heroes at BFP and BU!!
Bimbro // August 31, 2008 at 7:05 AM
Hi BU, I’m certain that in your sense of fair-play and commitment to freedom of speech, u will agree I deserve a right of reply, at BFP!!
Dear BFP, while I remember, I should b more than circumspect about awarding any credence to anything which ‘Thistle’, asserts because, if I am not very, mistaken, and if I am I unhesitatingly, apologise to him, but, if I’m not very, mistaken both he and his blog-friend (whose name I can’t recall, at the moment), when I first joined this board, invited me to meet them on a beach in Bim, I could only assume for a tryst, of some kind!!
However, I made it clear that I was n’t of that persuasion!!
Since then he’s never been well disposed, towards me!!
If NORMAL, black men have any intelligence they will appreciate the ever-present, danger which we face, from people of that, persuasion!! However, if my knowledge of black people is at all accurate, and I’m convinced that it is, they’ll wait until it’s much too, late, before they wake-up!!
I consider that such evil and present dangers to the interests of NORMAL, black men should be BANNED, from this and ANY board!!
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Also, dear BFP, on the subject of my use of the ‘m’ word!!
Has it occured to u that U, encouraged me to use it by ur unfettered, use of the ‘N’ word!! I can’t be certain, as it’s a long time since I looked it up, if indeed, I ever did, but, if I’m not extremely, mistaken, my ‘M’ word, is present in my 6 inches, thick, volume of the Concise, English Dictionary!!
Is yours?!!
Bimbro // August 31, 2008 at 7:13 AM
Dear BFP, while I recall!!
It is rare that I find the need to castigate, u guys for whom I normally, have such high-regard and respect but during the past week or so, one of the greatest black, musicians and thus creative persons who has ever existed on this planet has passed away and I have n’t noticed a single, mention of it here!! Instead, I c an article about some dog or other!!
Boy, I caan bother to read dah!! However, I consider the passing of one of our greatest icons, Isaac Hayes, worthy of far more mention than a blouse and skirt, DOG!!
Is it any wonder that I have to wonder about the blackness of you guys?!!
Bimbro // August 31, 2008 at 7:14 AM
I gun have a res, now!!
Laaaaaaddddddddddddddddddddddddd!!!!
What a friend we have in Jesus………………
Bimbro // August 31, 2008 at 7:42 AM
Good morning, Barbadossssssssssssssssss!!!!
reluctant nonbeliever // August 31, 2008 at 11:44 PM
we buy into the dominant discourse that critiques negritude…giving into a dominant discouse that controls them and keeps them out of the dominant power structures…these black fools are using a westernized meta-language…if this is the type of dance that is manifesting then it’s a revelation of ’something’ that is taking place in the culture and it becomes a cultural manifestation…very much a cultural trait, very much like 17th & 18th century England…part of the deconstructionist cultural movement that has overtaken the African Diaspora which forms part of a resistance movement against a dominant Western construct of what is culturally correct and accepted…the equivalent to this postmodern deconstructionist movement is mirrored in African American gangsta rap, Jamaican dancehall, among others…Babylon system and superstructures…enacting that rebellion sub-consciously…a cultural manifestation of what is really happening at the level of the collective psyche…
I dont even know or care who Derrida is….
Hahahhaha! What a clown. Doesn’t know who Derrida is? Sure, sure. Cites Fanon, but doesn’t know about Derrida? Please.
Look at his language; sorry, I mean “discourse”. Maybe not a UWI lecturer, but definitely UWI brainwashed. A grad student maybe. His (her?) jargon reeks of Cultural Studies bullshit.
Ironically, this very language reveals how enslaved Anon is to the very hegemonies he/she so rails against- and no amount of pathetic attempts to sound down and with the people by using nation language can hide that.
Anon, buddy. You’re a UWI drone; you’re busted!
Anonymous // September 1, 2008 at 2:46 AM
Dont insult me buddy, UWI is not a university, it’s a f_cking diploma mill.
Bimbro // September 1, 2008 at 8:08 AM
BBM aka Bimbro, I got your back this time man. BFP can’t be bajans if they don’t practice what are known bajan past-times of vicitmization, censorship etc. Don’t foget that banning is an integral part of our calypso season. You should find some comfort the following article
“A model democracy?
Published on: 8/31/08.
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Hello, Adrian and apologies for taking so long to notice your response, bro and for looking-out for my interests!! I’m still surprised that BFP could have thought that I, myself, was referring to Bolt as a monkey instead of indicating how I considered white, supremacists would regard him not that I think, solely, in view of Bolt’s pathetic, dance that the description would be entirely, inappropriate, whatever colour Bolt had been!! The eagerness of Bajans, sometimes to be too, ‘holier-than-thou’ just makes me laugh!! I’m inclined to say, ‘get real, bros’!!
I’ve asked BFP to please publish ALL of my several posts, submitted yesterday and today so that the entire readership may know precisely, what has been said, and what not! I don’t mind, I’m not begging anybody necessarily, to agree with me!! It’s a free world, or should be, so let’s have all the correspondence out in the open and then let people decide!! I don’t know what they’re waiting for!! I’m easy!!
See you again, Ad, either here or on BU in the ‘Is wukking up Bajan Culture’, where u can read all my posts submitted here!! Do please feel free to disagree with my opinion on any subject, Ad. Please don’t think that, just because I appreciate your support that I thus, EXPECT u to agree with me. You’re your own man and are still at liberty either to agree or disagree with me. I won’t be offended!!
Thanks also, for referring me to the article. It’s rather long but I’ll read it when I’ve some more time!!
Regards!!
reluctant nonbeliever // September 1, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Stupse. You reek of UWI man.
But in any case, it doesn’t matter: if not UWI, then you’re clearly the product of some uni over and away. My point is that you’re a fraud, and as hypocritical as the people you attack.
You want to sound like Antony B pouring fire ‘pon Rome, but you sound like any other lickle trustafarian wannabe posturing as a radical hard seed.
Don’t you see how facile and riddled with contadictions your approach is? You use the language of “the white man” (in this case, the stale cliches of Cultural Studies) that you profess to despise (see my quotes above) in order to trash and bully sincere (if maybe naive)posters like Mary. Truth is, you’re about as radical as Laff it Off.
The funny thing is, I tend to agree with the basic thrust of what you’re saying. I’m just laughing at your disingenousness.
Negroman // September 1, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Bimbro,I really do not agree with many of your contributions on the blogs.I viewed you as arrogant.However,I must at this time agreed with your comment on our young women wasting their hard earned money buying nonsense from Asians.That is the predicament we are in.A lost heritage.I agreed there is nothing more beautiful than a natural black women with natural African hairstyles.Some of the most stupid black women that you could find is in Barbados.They will spend thousands of dollars on mock hair,hair dyes and wigs.It is mind boggling.I am happy & fortunate that I do not have any of those artificial,low self esteem,backward thinking,stupid ass black women as my girlfriend.I do not look at women with false hair,straighten hair or wearing wigs.My woman must be natural.
We claim we are a christian society and believe that God is perfect.If that is so,why are many of us challenging God and the way he made us all.If God wanted black people to have straight hair,or curly hair or a particular texture of hair God would had given us that type of hair.We are challenging God.We are saying that God created imperfect human beings and therefore we must change the texture of our hair,our skin colour or form relationships with other races to produce so call pretty children.All we producing are mutant children like Esther Byer-Suckoo who does not if she is Black or Indian.
We are defying the perfect God we believe in.
Anonymous // September 1, 2008 at 11:12 PM
@ Reluctant nonbeliever.
(Smile) Well my basic point is that in the Caribbean we are these strange paradoxical hybrids who have this European training but deep down inside we have an instinct that is African or Asian. I also would argue that there is nothing wrong with taking the same education to critique the system and make changes.
So yes, maybe I is a hypocrite too, but one dat like wukkin up, rum shops, porn and a good joint every now and den. I is a Afro-hypocrite, instead of being a Euro-hypocrite. (LAFF)
Anonymous // September 1, 2008 at 11:15 PM
@ Negroman
Dont call de sistas stupid man. You really have to blame de brothers.
I know tons of educated brothers who would tell u straight dat dem women gotta straighten dem hair. So de sistas only trying to please de brothers.
When de brothers learn to accept natural hair, you will see a difference.
reluctant nonbeliever // September 1, 2008 at 11:37 PM
negroman, your thinking is stupid, muddled and obnoxious, as usual.
If God wanted…etc etc. Follow that line of thought logically if you can.
Do you use other man-made items such as toilet paper? Or deoderant? Or toothpaste?
If you do, you’re a ridiculous hypocrite, if you don’t you’re just a stinkmouth bad-smelling loser. Which come to think of it would explian why you spend so much time in front of your computer…
You lose either way.
reluctant nonbeliever // September 1, 2008 at 11:38 PM
anon
ok, decent response
i can live wid dat…
Negroman // September 1, 2008 at 11:46 PM
reluctant nonbeliever those things are for personal hygiene not to change who I am or how I was created by God.
Deal with the points raised.Your attempt is as feeble as your personality.
You are a weakling
Anonymous,Sorry for referring to my black sisters as stupid.I apologised.
reluctant nonbeliever // September 2, 2008 at 12:03 AM
No, you’re the weakling negroman. Everything you ever post shows that. You’re mentally enslaved. And you’re sterile. You have nothing to offer, no seed, just your desperate clinging to a washed-up outdated negritude. You have no power, no influence, just rage and hatred of others (black, white or indian) more successful and powerful than you, a pitiful awareness of your own emasculation. You’re an evolutionary dead-end. You and people like you are going nowhere. Loser…
Anonymous // September 2, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Man, dont curse my comrade Negroman.
reluctant nonbeliever // September 2, 2008 at 12:11 AM
haha, anon…you might like to think so, but you have about as much in common with a throwback like negroman as David Commisiong has in common with Afrika…
reluctant nonbeliever // September 2, 2008 at 12:25 AM
hey negroman…you with your chi-chi man fantasies of the motherland…you ever been there? What is your knowledge of the continent other than through Google and the Africa Channel?
I’m from Ghana (my daddy was a school-principal in Accra), spent most of my youth there before emigrating to the UK, then to Jamaica. You know-nothing wannabe Africans from the Caribbean always make us real Africans laugh, either tolerantly, or – as with fools like you – contemptuously when you pontificate so childishly about clothes, customs, mores, and beliefs of contemporay Africa when you clearly know nothing!
Educate yourself, poor negroman, learn some humility, and try not to make yourself sound like such a fool…
Really now... // September 2, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Anonymous in writing his usual amusing nonsense posted “but deep down inside we have an instinct that is African or Asian”. What racist nonsense.
Where does this “African instinct which is deep down inside” come from? In our DNA? The next step down from this soppy headedness is …Black people can’t do maths or science, they really only good for dancing and sports!
Bimbro // September 2, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Hi Negroman and thank you for the reply above about black women. I was shocked because it seemed that I was the only Barbadian to hold my views, however, I could virtually, have written your response, word for word!!
I feel, precisely, the same as u do. As far as I’m concerned, god made us physically, perfect and we don’t need to do with any of that aritificial, nonsense and, like u, I also can’t be bothered wasting my time admiring the ones who enter for too, much make-up!! Unfortunately, 99% of them seem to be that way, so I certainly, have got a problem in that regard!!
Anyhow, it’s pleasant to know that at least one person agreed with me, at least on this subject!!
I’m trying to persuade BFP to release all of my posts re: the Obama Assassination discussion, so perhaps u could try to encourage them to do so. Anyhow, I’ve reproduced most or all of them here, at the end of the ‘Wukking Up’ discussion!!
Regards!!
Bimbro // September 2, 2008 at 12:38 AM
Just remembered, this IS the ‘Wukking Up’ debate!! LOL!!
Bimbro // September 2, 2008 at 1:20 AM
Hi BFP, r u quite certain that ur not withholding my posts specifically, so that people may forget about this controversy and the subject has become, stale?!! As u know, I was n’t born yesterday, BF!! How long do u need to decide to publish posts so that everybody can see what has transpired!! What are you hiding from?!!
Bimbro // September 2, 2008 at 6:16 AM
BBM aka Bimbro, I got your back this time man.
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Dear Adrian, what does BBM here, mean, my bro!!
Negroman // September 2, 2008 at 8:46 AM
Reluctant nonbeliever why get so personal with me.I do not know you & certinly do not have any intentions to know idiots like you.I made several observations and in your responses you have not challenge any of my points.
You are the child.If you want to respond to me challenge my points.
You are the loser Yuh scum bag
Anonymous // September 2, 2008 at 12:00 PM
@ Really Now
You said it, not me! A freudian slip perhaps?
You need to go and check the definition of racism.
I really didnt mind your challenge but you are pretty darn stupid. Maybe you are UWI trained.
Your reasoning leaves much to be desired. Jeez.
The instinct is how we respond to the African drum, the rhythms that we hear and our response. If that isnt instinctive then I dont know what it it.
Who de ass talking bout math and science, you stupid bitch!
Bimbro // September 2, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Sorry about ‘nonbeliever’, ‘Negroman’!! I’ve often had the same experience on these boards of a person not being able to disagree with u without being excessively, personal in their attack. It seems to betray a childish or otherwise, immature aspect of Barbadian nature. So sad!!
puzzled // September 2, 2008 at 3:02 PM
Now, I have sat here for the last half-hour or so, reading almost every response to this post. Frankly, for all the verbiage and random rants that have been thrown about (though IMHO, there have been some insightful contributions as well), I feel rather perplexed. Then again, I’m a young’un, so I probably missed the subtleties in the personal attacks that were to somehow shed light on the initial question in the title. My own take on the matter, just because I can:
1) The behaviour in that Youtube video can not be acceptable, even when ignoring the “morality card”. I thought public indecency was against the law. Arguments above were made that people simulate sex in artistic expression all the time… on stage. I really don’t think the gentleman and lady in the video were interested in the artistic expression/interpretation of their movements. But I’m just saying.
2) I agree that you have to define “wuking up” in order to get anywhere in this discussion. And it seems that is quite hard to do. So, I will say, I think of it as the typical moving your waistline and hips, either solo or with a partner or two, all in the enjoyment of good music and celebration. I realise the word “typical” just muddies the definition, but I’m not an expert. Oh well. I don’t see well-carried out “wuking up” as being vulgar/lewd/questionable to the majority of Bajans. And I think it is very much a part of our culture; did I just state the obvious?
3) Now, this “without limits” bit. If that video is what can be described as such, then heck naw, that ain’t Bajan culture. That is a subculture of some section of Barbadians, maybe, but I really don’t think we can honestly say that is Bajan culture. I was quite repulsed by the video actually, and I am one of the “younger generation” (I have only seen 6 leap years in my life). As a young woman, I feel sad for that girl who let herself be treated that way in public, even in the name of fun/celebration/whatever. And, I don’t even want to think about what I think about that guy. Granted, liqour might have a play, but still. No sir, that is not culture or “cultured”.
4) All this talk about “wuking up” being derived from our foreparents’ culture in Africa (which is a very large place with tonnes of cultural expressions, I have come to see), makes me heave a big “so what?” from the bottom of my ribcage. I have been privileged to attend a university (not in the Caribbean) that has cultures from the world over. Whenever the Caribbean nations are called upon to showcase culture, out comes the rags, and wuking up, and the soca, and the reggae, skimpy shorts on girls and guys relegated to just being stationed behind women in “dance”. The African nations, they dance as well, but I’m saying, their dance, IMO, comes with a meaning or story behind it, and is not lewd. I can see similarities, but not enough to justify the arguments that “knocking wuking up is in fact negating its link to our African heritage”. But I’m not a historian or any such educated person. I just see what I see.
And now I’m done. I would feel bad that I really didn’t add anything to the discussion, but many others haven’t either.
Anonymous // September 2, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Thanks for your contribution puzzled.
I’m just wondering if de university you went to over in away taught you that in debating one should hold a side and not sit on de fence.
Anonymous // September 2, 2008 at 4:47 PM
We’re having fun here. Dont take it so seriously.
People here actually believe that they’re affecting pubic policy or public opinion. They really take themselves seriously and forget about the entertainment valus of blogging.
It’s just a better alternative to Days of Our Lives.
Really now... // September 2, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Anonymous,
you wouldn’t know an African even if you were suddently transported to Dakar or Lubumbashi. It is asinine to talk about an “African instinct” unless you are African (not just Black). Human instincts are really responses to cues from our environment. This term, “instinct”, cannot be used (in any strict scientific sense) with reference to human behaviour. If people respond to say drumming that is in accordance with their prior experience so a Chinese person or a white person or an Indian who is exposed to drumming to the same degree and qualitative association as a Black person will respond similarly.
Unlike Reluctant Nonbeliever, I don’t believe you to be a UWI graduate in the Social Sciences (maybe in computer science). You are about as valuable as a US dollar.
Anonymous // September 2, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Well I dont know bout you, but when I look in de mirror I does see a West African.
And you are right, I not a UWI graduate or graduate from any university for that matter.
Your argument about what is scientific and what is not is bear shite.
What is “strict scientific sense?”
SHUPES!
Really now... // September 2, 2008 at 6:26 PM
I responded but the post has just disappeared!
Straight talk // September 2, 2008 at 6:40 PM
David:
I’ve noticed that too.
You submit, then nothing…..no “your comment is awaiting moderation”….nothing, so you hit the submit button again… still nothing, but you get the duplicate post.
Straight talk // September 2, 2008 at 7:42 PM
David:
The post disappears from the comment box.
reluctant nonbeliever // September 2, 2008 at 11:54 PM
What’s the problem, little negroman, can’t take a dose of your own medicine?
Like all bullies, you’re a coward. You regularly insult people here (see your comments above about “stupid ass” black women, about “mutant” Byer-Suckoo) in the most crass way, yet you start to whine if anyone hits back.
As to my other point: do us all a favour and stop claiming to be “African”. You’re black, sure: but an embarrassment to any true African. You have nothing in common with us, you hear me? Nothing. You need to relinquish that prop and find strenght elsewhere. For let me assure you, you would be laughed to scorn if ever you visited my homeland (which you clearly never have, except in your sad lonely dreams) and tried to spout your pitiful fantasies about negritude there.
Anyway, I done with you now I’ve humiliated you. You’re too predictable and lame and dull.
Anon has a point. This blog is also for entertainment. And you’re a one-note bumbling fool, about as entertaining as CBC…
reluctant nonbeliever // September 3, 2008 at 12:05 AM
One last comment, negroman. You should take tips on how to contribute to this blog from your “comrade” Anon. He talks a lot of shite, but is often witty and provocative in quite an amusing way, and doesn’t get hysterical if you attack him. His tongue’s in his cheek – unlike yours, which is longs to be up an African battyhole…
Ok, BU…I know that a bit disgusting. Delete it if you want. I just having fun now….
reluctant nonbeliever // September 3, 2008 at 12:18 AM
@puzzled
A thoughtful, interesting post.
puzzled // September 3, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Thanks for the comments. Well, I had only commented because after reading the entire thing, I felt like I just had to say something (the beauty of the Internets, no?). The debate part, I suppose I wasn’t feeling to be caught up in at the moment. I presented my views; I didn’t feel like I added anything because I really don’t have the high-faluting words/theories on culture/morality/etc. that I’ve seen in previous posts. Y’all folks really have a vocab… sent me to Google a time or two. Anyways, if I ever post again in another thread, I will make sure to redeem myself, as well as my university’s academic honour (btw, it is a great school Anonymous), by actually formally throwing my stick into the fire, or whatever cliched idiom works there.
Bimbro // September 3, 2008 at 12:54 AM
Dear BFP, it seems that you’re all for freedom of expression, provided the opinions expressed ‘are n’t too, controversial’ excepting your own, many would consider, very controversial views, of course!! My dear, fellows if that’s the way u intend to proceed then I’m happy for you to do so, without me!! However, it shows me that u don’t really, possess ‘the full-length sword of courage’ which I thought, u did!!
Nonetheless, best wishes to you!!
puzzled // September 3, 2008 at 12:54 AM
Oh, and btw, it’s nice to have blogs like this, being a student away from home. At least when I come back, I won’t be completely clueless about what’s really been going on.
Bimbro // September 3, 2008 at 1:10 AM
‘Reluctant nonbeliever’, is it really, impossible for u to raise your standards above the level of the shit-hole!! Disagree with the man, if u must, but do u have to be quite, so offensive!!
Negroman // September 3, 2008 at 2:11 AM
This is my last comments to reluctant nonbeliever.You are as pitiful as they come.You do not know shit about me.I have African friends in Barbados.I have not visited the continent as yet but I am in the process of finalising my plans to go.I will be there next year hopefully.African do not think like you.
Reluctant nonbeliever I believe you are not African but another misguided,torn up,bitter person seeking self glorification.You have not humiliated me in no way whatsoever.In all your postings you have not come up with credible rebuttals of my points.
You are a waste of a human being.A pea brain clown wallowing in self pity.
You are the loser and will amount to nothing in life.
Nothingness is you fate.
Idiot
Rodney King // September 3, 2008 at 6:47 AM
Can’t we all just get along??? (LOL)
Bimbro // September 3, 2008 at 7:58 AM
Rodney King // September 3, 2008 at 6:47 am
Can’t we all just get along??? (LOL)
***************
Hopefully, SOME of the time, but unfortunately, ALL of the time would probably, produce a sterile, world!!
Anonymous // September 3, 2008 at 8:22 AM
Negroman, cool ya head and hold ya position. Dont leh dem get to you. But a good busing every now and then is aiight too.
Empress // September 3, 2008 at 9:29 AM
Fellas Fellas Fellas
start a new thread nah…we heading to the 200th comment…
AND I’M LOVING EVERY LAST ONE…START A NEW ONE.
Q // September 3, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Negro Man –I admire you as a poster but by your comments above -you have let me down. You seem intelligent enough not to call another human being by such names never mind how much such a person angers you.
Forgive yourself and do not allow it to happen to you again. Any time you are angered by such persons–reverse the feeling and think and visualise —Love and Peace and wish the person the same—–this will ease the tension.———–
Negroman // September 3, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Q On reflection I made many comments that I later regret.I should know better as a mature person.I accept your advise and I now sincerely apologise to Reluctant Nonbeliever for any harsh and demeaning comments I might had made against him.
Reluctant Nonbeliever please accept my apology in its sincerity.Let us be men to agree to disagree.
Fellow bloggers if my harsh and sometimes contoversials comments offend anyone I say sorry.
However,my views on many subject matters will not shift whatsoever and I will defend my views to the fullest.
Anonymous // September 3, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Wait Negroman, de Hallelujah Chorus like duh pray fuh you.
Or you went to de Obeah woman in St. Joseph fuh a bush bath or some shite?
Listen, CBC just hire a white Swedish man dat running from Trinidad fuh chile money. Look we we come to doh nuh.
Come over to dah story leh we lambaste duh c_nt!
Anonymous // September 4, 2008 at 12:08 AM
negroman, spoken like a man.
I accept your apology to me, and also apologise to you for my intemperate language. Won’t happen again.
okwasea na ne guan te mprenu, as my grandfather used to say (which roughly translated, means “only a fool lets his sheep break free twice”).
Anonymous // September 4, 2008 at 12:09 AM
The above post was from me, reluctant nonbeliever.
Anonymous // September 4, 2008 at 8:17 AM
@ Rodney King
How ya mean “why cant we all get along?”
You should know better dan dah. De white police in Los Angeles aint beat you and cause all hell to brek loose up dey?
Just kidding muh brudda!
Anonymous // September 4, 2008 at 8:18 AM
I glad to see Reluctant and Negroman stop cussing each other.
Duh wuk obeah pon Negroman!
Ashamed // July 26, 2009 at 5:20 PM
I saw a video on utube,( 2008) IN BARBADOS where a man was actually doing it to a woman from the back. She was leaning over and allowing him to copulate right in front of the camera s.YOU DO NOT NEED TO GO TO PORNAGRAPHY ON THE COMPUTER, OR TV. JUST GO TO BARBADOS, that 166sq mile island during Cropover, and you will see everything for free. The sad thing is that the Barbadian society has lost its values. 270,000 PEOPLE, and nearly half being ROTTED BY THE NEGLECT OF THEIR CLERGY, TEACHERS, AND PARENTS.
It is expected that these words will be attacked, but Barbadians must stand up for the decency that they it once showed. It is known that all a lot of bajan boys and men think about is ‘attacking’ the ———-. Children being most vulnerable