
Submitted by Rickford Burke, The Guyanese-American President of the New York based Caribbean Guyana Institute for Democracy (CGID)
I shall be happy if my letter can receive due prominence on your blog. I have read some of the comments on your blog, in response to statements attributed to me in a press release issued yesterday by CGID’s Director of Communications, Jevon Suralie. First let me remind all that I respect and will advocate for the sovereignty of Barbados as well as its right to conceptualize and enact any domestic policy its elected government chooses.
I agree that the immigration and other laws of Barbados MUST be respected and that violators of the law should be brought to justice. However, I also believe that domestic laws, such as immigration regulations, in any Caricom country, must be congruent with the spirit and intent of Caricom, and must be enforced equitably and fairly, and that people’s human and other rights must be respected and NOT abridged. Individuals must be treated humanly and with human dignity, in keeping with internationally accepted norms and values.
As I said in the CGID statement, “We agree that everyone must abide by the law and that anyone who commits crimes must be brought to justice. However, this must be within the framework of the rule of law and international norms of civil rights and fundamental fairness. We also agree that immigration policy throughout the region needs to be rationalized. In this context, unilateral, singular and uncoordinated action by one government is counterproductive to a harmonized regional policy approach that would be compatible with deeper integration, which we all seek.”
I firmly believe that no one country should enact such policies as Barbados has. Rather there should be a Caricom approach. The response to Thompson’s policy from around the region alone establishes the raison d’être for my expressions of concerns and criticism. This has indeed fractured Caribbean unity.
A cursory review of the relevant article in the Nation newspaper will establish that when Prime Minister Thompson announced his new immigration policy on May 5, I, in an interview with Tony Best, commended the Prime Minister for attempting to address the illegal immigration problem. I also said then that his granting of a form of amnesty to Caricom nationals who entered Barbados prior to 2005 and who remain undocumented, was good public policy and a step in the right direction.
However, I did express serious reservations about his plans to deport those enter after 2005 and remain undocumented. At that time I reserved judgment to observe and analyze the implementation of this aspect of the policy. This is where I part ways with Prime Minister Thompson, who I like. (Apart from this issue, I think his policies are pragmatic).
As a human rights advocate, I will always speak out against raiding the homes of families with women and children for non-criminal reasons, such as immigration. Furthermore, I continue to believe that immigration and traffic violations have no place in criminal court, so long as there is no criminal element to the instant violation. They, in my view are civil matters which should be resolved in the civil term.
The Arbitrary and systematic “deporting” or “removal” of Caricom nationals from a Caricom country at the instant of Minister’s order, for reasons other that criminal convictions, without due process, is bothersome to me. It not only potentially undermines an individual’s human rights, it also undermines Caribbean unity. This is subjective, political territory.
The power to deport is vested in a Minister who is a creature of the executive branch of government, and for which there is no “initial” judicial role. Hence, there could be inherent, fundamental perversion and abuses of the process, as well as abridgements of extant Caribbean integration principles when we go down this road.
I am Guyanese but my grandmother is Bajan, so I am uniquely positioned to evaluate and critique this policy. The largest immigrant block in Barbados is Guyanese. It was fully well known that block would be most affected by the enforcement of such a policy, as the Prime Minister’s own statistics indicate.
Thompson should therefore have been more sensitive to this and handle the matter as a Caricom issue rather that a Barbados issue, or work with the relative governments, like Guyana’s, to stamp out immigration fraud, curb access to and uttering of forged instruments and documents, etc.
I sincerely believe what I said in the CGID statement. “Prime Minister Thompson must halt all draconian immigration practices and confer with his regional counterparts to conceptualize a more “altruistic, uniform and progressive” immigration policy that is congruous with the spirit of Caribbean integration and free movement of peoples as envisioned by the revised Treaty of Chaguramas.”
I believe him when he says that the mistreatment of persons will not be condoned and that perpetrators will be disciplined. I await that course of action where appropriate and also look forward to cases in which immigration officers who were falsely or unfairly accused of wrong doing will be exonerated.
This is the bottom line. If a Guyanese commits a crime in Barbados and he is found guilty by a court of law – then jail him/her. If a Guyanese violates the immigration law of Barbados by uttering forged documents – then jail them and send them back home. However, if a Guyanese overstays his time in Barbados, done raid his home at midnight and drag his wife and children down to immigration. Treat them with dignity. The government must work with other governments in the region to devise a humane way, within the context of Caribbean integration, to resolve this issue as a region.
What Prime Minister Thompson should also do however, is tell President Bharrat Jagdeo, to start respecting the rights of Guyanese citizens first, before he asks others to do so, and create the economic and social conditions for Guyanese to stay in Guyana.













67 responses so far ↓
Bush Tea // July 1, 2009 at 8:18 PM
This clears the air?!!!
This is even more confusing and jumbled than the original press release.
Sounds like someone who is speaking because he has to say something…and not because he has something to say.
Wishing In Vain // July 1, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Bush Tea you hit the nail on the head here my friend!!!!
This is almost as comical as the guy that must have been in a druken stupor when he asked the Prime Minister what he had to say about the plane load bound from Guyana that got sent back as the Prime Minister gathered himself he replied never did anything such as this take place and had some thing like happened it would have been a news item, as he said give a lie a head start and it is hell to catch it.
Much of this is fabicated utter nonsense, simply put if you know that you are staying here illegally you better pack your bags as YOU WILL RECEIVE A VISIT SOONER OR LATER.
It is amazing that these people are illegal and WRONG and still can be so Vocal with an abundance of lies and mistruths.
The other option is to be sent back forthwith once you are deemed illegal, which option is seen to more fair????
Adrian Hinds // July 1, 2009 at 9:04 PM
David suggest to this guy, President of whatever, to reflect on his “borrowed comments” of “However, this must be within the framework of the rule of law and international norms of civil rights and fundamental fairness”. Give to HIMSELF a fair understanding of what that phrase means, then have him listen to Prime Minister Thompson comments.
A string of words that are easily blown apart by a subtle challenge.
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What Prime Minister Thompson should also do however, is tell President Bharrat Jagdeo, to start respecting the rights of Guyanese citizens first, before he asks others to do so, and create the economic and social conditions for Guyanese to stay in Guyana.
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The Prime Minister made clear that he does not meddle in other countries affairs. Given the comments of Norman Faria, Jagdeo, Shridath Ramphal, and now you, meddling may be a Guyanese past time.
Anonymous // July 1, 2009 at 9:20 PM
AH the worst interference in our domestic affairs maybe Compton Bourne. As CDB governor he resides in B’dos as a Caribbean technocrat paid in part by Bajan taxpayers.
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@ WIV
This is almost as comical as the guy that must have been in a druken stupor when he asked the Prime Minister what he had to say about the plane load bound from Guyana that got sent back.
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The Guyana journalist who posed the above question was confused with Guyana and Ghana,,,Lol.,,Lol.
Carson C. Cadogan // July 1, 2009 at 10:13 PM
This idiot again.
Dion // July 1, 2009 at 10:15 PM
It seems as though some on individuals this blog just want to talk for the sake of talking.
Obviously “Bush Tea” and “Waiting in Vain” in particular did not read Mr. Burke’s letter. Much of what “Waiting in Vain” said has no relevance to what Burke the letter says.
In response to what I see as a well reasoned opinion by Burke, although I may not agree with everything he says, “Waiting in Vain said “Much of this is fabricated utter nonsense, simply put if you know that you are staying here illegally you better pack your bags as YOU WILL RECEIVE A VISIT SOONER OR LATER.”
The latter comment is pure hot air and is not relevant to the opinions Burke put forward. What is fabricated and what is nonsense? Please explain! LISTEN to what the gentleman is saying. He is supporting much of the views expressed on this very blog.
I am a Bajan living in London. We must be fair and use our analytic ability to assess this issue from all side.
Let’s examine the main issues in Burke’s letter.
1. He says he respects Barbados’ sovereignty as well as its right to enact its own domestic policies.
2. He says immigration and other laws of Barbados must be respected, and violators must be brought to justice but enforcement must be fair and equitable, and that human rights must be respected.
3. He says if a Guyanese commits a crime and is found guilty by a court of law then he must be jailed.
4. He says if Guyanese violate Barbados’ immigration law by presenting forged documents then they must be jailed and sent back to Guyana.
5. He said that Guyanese who overstay their time in Barbados must be treated humanely and fairly and that they must not be raided by immigration officers at midnight.
6. He did not oppose raiding the homes of criminals and deporting them. In fact he imply support for this kind of action.
7. He said that because of the Caricom treaty, and the regional integration process, Barbados must not go it alone on the implementation of a serious deportation policy as it will fracture Caribbean unity.
8. He said Barbados must work with regional governments like Guyana’s to end immigration fraud, and implement a uniform policy on immigration so that each country does run off implementing its own policy and counter policy that will then cause division in Cariom.
Outside of differing that the raids to find illegals must stop, what else is here to disagree with?
I thing the guys comes off pretty sound.
Come on, we as Bajans must be fair too.
Sargeant // July 1, 2009 at 11:24 PM
The government must work with other governments in the region to devise a humane way, within the context of Caribbean integration, to resolve this issue as a region.
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Based on the remarks from some of the leaders and other “academics” in the region its you (Barbados) give and we take. They see Immigration as a one way ticket into Barbados and object to the Barbados’ Gov’ts actions by claiming that it is contrary to the “Spirit of Chaguaramas/Caricom among other allegations.
These are the same people that established a Caribbean Court of Justice in Trinidad in which most of the members including the host country are still undecided about participation.
But Immigrating is easy just get on a plane and go, let someone else take care of the problem
The Scout // July 1, 2009 at 11:44 PM
Dion
I just can’t understand how so-called intellegent people think. If you arrive at the airport, tell the immigration officer you’re here on holiday,when you know you really plan to stay. You are given 6 months, as is the norm, then at the end of that period you refuses to ask for an extension, plus by now you start purchasing appliances to setup a home, did you not lie to the Barbados Government? Is this not a criminal offence, which supercedes any treaty? Guyanese are behaving as though they have a RIGHT to be in Barbados at any cost and P.M Thompson is denying them that right. Simply put Barbados just CANNOT jeapordise the rights of their own citizens for that of anyone else. Would Mr Burke tell his children that they MUST share their bedroom with some-one they know nothing about? This matter is really showing the insularity of the guyanese. All it will do is make it bad for the few who might be in line to get the amnesty. Neither T&T nor Antigua has offered an amnesty but are just thinking about it while they are deporting guyanese, yet Barbados that has reached out an olive leaf is getting harrassed. Then, guyanese don’t even know the difference between deportation and a simple “please go home and get right and you’re free to return.”
The Scout // July 2, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Guynese have taken a position and no explaining the Barbados P.M does will change their stance. It is time we come together as bajans forget the partisanship and unite as matured people for the good of this country.
David // July 2, 2009 at 1:02 AM
To be fair we wanted to give Burke a chance to put his views but he is way off base, this is a sovereign matter rooted in the law!
sylvan // July 2, 2009 at 1:42 AM
I repeat. Barbados should demand Compton Bourne to resign as president of CDB. His comments in Stabroek News was interference in the domestic affairs of Barbados and out of place because he is a regional civil servant.
Dion // July 2, 2009 at 4:25 AM
The Scout, you still have not addressed the issues I addressed. I listed them for all to see. Tell us where you agree or disagree. Did you even read my note? Did you read Mr. Burke’s letter. Obviously not, because nothing in your last post relates to the two. As far as I can tell, Burke is not saying Guyanese must stay in Barbados illegally. Read and understand. He is saying that they must be treated humanely and fairly when the immigration law is enforced. Every Bajan should agree on that point. He is critical of the raids as well as the systematic deportations. Well, thats his opinion with which we disagree. But please speak intellegently to the issues raised and stop flushing emotional stuff
that has no relevance to the contribution to which you attempt to respond. As far as i can tell Burke seems to agree with 98% of the opinions expressed on this blog. The man can defend himself but I cannot help but note that arguments being put forward are not in response to his letter.
The Scout // July 2, 2009 at 6:34 AM
Dion
You might say I’m emotional, all that I’m trying to say is, I’m tired of everyone trying to tell my P.M how to run his company. My P.M has stated the Barbados position and he has stated to bajans that that is what he is prepared to stick with and we accept that. Who the hell is anyone who is coming to tell my P.M what he should or should not do? I haven’t heard Mr Burke tell his President what he should do or should not do. As far as I’m concerned Caricom/ CSME is going the same way as the Federation and I just hope at the end of it we don’t get the sticky end with an entire change in our culture. The real problem is with guyanese who come here piss poor but think that they are God’s gift to humanity. There is nothing inhumane in raiding a fugitive’s house at any hour of the night. What must the officer do , call ahead and make an appointment to raid? We trying telling the illegals that they should come in and discuss the matter with the immigration or go back home to Guyana, they just changed address and went underground. You people are getting me sick, I’m ready to get them out of Barbados at any cost. Next we coming for the chinese
Adrian Hinds // July 2, 2009 at 6:52 AM
Until this Rickford Burke person demonstrates otherwise, I am currently of the opinion his mentioned of the “spirit and letter of the revise treaty chagauramous, is a mere regurgitation, void of clarity.
….He must also clarify how the PM of Barbados can interseed of behalf of Afro Guyanese without accusations of meddling in other country affairs..
….He must also tell us were it is written that the sovereignty of any caricom member state takes a back seat to the goals and aspirations of fellow member citizens.
….He must also tell us how does the continued flight of Guyanas citizens, done under the guise of free movement sustains and builds Guyana?
….. He must tell us what assurances are there that the same issues he would have highlighted over years that may have lead to the divisions, desperation, and failings in Guyana would not be brought along with the migrating citizens of guyana?
….I have no idea why this letter was given suh prominence. It certainly was not due any.
David // July 2, 2009 at 7:00 AM
In defence of Rickford and the CGID it would have submitted articles very critical of the Jagdeo government and the Corbin opposition.
Anonymous // July 2, 2009 at 7:02 AM
None of the regional papers except the guyanese papers have carried the barbadian prime minister’s press conference in their on-line news.
Seems to me that the press conference did not shake their views;their minds are already made up.
The Scout // July 2, 2009 at 7:02 AM
Mr L Holder
Do you know of the Herdmanston Accord that was signed between Barbados ans Guyana in 1997? It seems as though, this accord is the sticking point at which guyanese are saying they have a RIGHT to live in Barbados. I was always suspicious about some secret deal between Arthur and Jagdeo. Please enlighten us about this Accord,, if possible.
Talk Show // July 2, 2009 at 7:12 AM
This whole thing is really about guyanese sending money back home NOTHING ELSE.
since the massive influx of them in our country crime in that country has drop by almost 80%.
when was the last time you read or hear about high crime in guyana?
If they go home all hell WILL break loose again and they afraid of that, its just bad they have to come and live with his blacks to get ahead.
but mark my words when they pull down this country they gone and left us holding the bag
GET THEM OUT NOW
123 // July 2, 2009 at 7:12 AM
All the Guyanese gone yet?
Talk Show // July 2, 2009 at 7:21 AM
@ 123 // July 2, 2009 at 7:12 am
Almost….just a few more thousand to go
The Scout // July 2, 2009 at 7:29 AM
The way I feel, the P.M should get ALL guyanese out of this country because as long as there are remants of them left, problems will continue to arise in barbados by them. Abandon CARICOM/CSME, we are going to have to go through some difficult times and I know we bajans can do it alone.
David // July 2, 2009 at 7:31 AM
We have a couple commenters who are attempting to destablize the debate. Please ignore. If necessary we will delete.
Talk Show // July 2, 2009 at 7:31 AM
The Scout // July 2, 2009 at 7:29 am
I AGREE 100%
David // July 2, 2009 at 7:34 AM
@The Scout
You should not paint with such a broad brush.
123 // July 2, 2009 at 7:43 AM
I told you all this already and i will say it again……Guyanese in Barbados outnumber Bajans 50,000:1 and that aint got nothing to do with the other nationalities.PM Thompson even admitted his Grandfather or some relative was Guyanese….I will continue to laugh at you anti GT people. You need to wake up .Forget this issue and lets deal with the economy.Get some work going so when the Guyanese High Commission comes in Bridgetown we can bring in another 50,000 .You DLP people get tired of saying “for the last 14 years”, so you just started to say “all these Guyanese”……..LOLOLOL
123 // July 2, 2009 at 7:46 AM
Every single Bajan has and will continue to have some Guyanese or Caribbean connection…….People grow up and realise this is 2009…..Who cares about race ….WE ARE ALL PEOPLE>>>>
The Scout // July 2, 2009 at 7:49 AM
David
The cukture of the documented is the same as the undocumented and the remarks I have heard on the ground yesterday, alarms me. I heard one undocumented indo-guyanese remark that they would bury him in Barbados because he’s not going anywhere, don’t mind Thompson, he wasn’t born here neither.
The Scout // July 2, 2009 at 7:54 AM
Now they are beginning to disrespect our very P.M. What next? The volcano is erupting, there will be massive destruction soon and very soon. Instead of calming the volcano, my P.M has heated it up and I’m beginning to see little cracks in his mouthings. BE FIRM MR P>M, Barbados is depending on you. Show us the metal you’re made of. PLEASE don’t disappoint us, the majority of bajans are supporting you and willing to go ALL THE WAY.
David // July 2, 2009 at 8:01 AM
@The Scout
If we want to fight to maintain a Barbados we want we will not win the argument on race, it will have to be on a managed immigration approach which have publicly been embraced by the PM. Let us agitate to ensure it is effectively implemented.
The Scout // July 2, 2009 at 8:23 AM
David
We bajans are not the ones pushing this race talk, it is the guyanese. It started with none other than Sir Shirdeth Ramphal and continued by that journalist at the press conference. No matter what we say, the seed has been planted and just watch it develop. I like my P.M’s remark but it is obvious that the guyanese are not interested in what he says, their minds are already made up and they are on a mission.
livinginbarbados // July 2, 2009 at 9:52 AM
Two clicks on my mouse found a ’secret deal’ (sic), badly hidden, http://www.caricom.org/jsp/secretariat/legal_instruments/herdmanston_accord.pdf
lholder // July 2, 2009 at 9:53 AM
The Scout,
The Herdmanston Accord was negotiated by CARICOM and it addressed political and other issues, including violence, in Guyana that came to the surface after the 1997 election. The Accord was signed by the PPP/C and the PNC/R, the two major political parties in Guyana.
Goggle “Herdmanston Accord’ and you will get information on it.
livinginbarbados // July 2, 2009 at 9:59 AM
Some memories appear very short. Guyana, high crime? Without thinking too hard, I recall the Bartica and Lusignan massacres in the past 12/18 months…
livinginbarbados // July 2, 2009 at 10:03 AM
@LHolder/David
I see a remark from “The Scout”, which reads, “David: We bajans are not the ones pushing this race talk, it is the guyanese. It started with none other than Sir Shirdeth Ramphal and continued by that journalist at the press conference.”
What say you to this contention?
David // July 2, 2009 at 10:43 AM
BU’s position has and will always be that as a country we need to plan and manage the impact of ethnic groups on our stable host population. A key characteristic which has been responsible for Barbados success through the years has been our political and social stability which has led to order.
This is our position which has nothing to do with race talk. As Barbadians we need to understand the reasons for our success and be prepared to ward of threats.
livinginbarbados // July 2, 2009 at 10:47 AM
@David/LHolder/123
I am getting awfully confused with so many new numbers flying around.
123 wrote: “I told you all this already and i will say it again……Guyanese in Barbados outnumber Bajans 50,000:1 and that aint got nothing to do with the other nationalities”. Is this an exaggeration or does Barbados now have a population of 14 trillion? Maybe, it’s that there are only 6 Bajans in the country.
The summer months are often called the silly season in the media.
EyeSpy // July 2, 2009 at 11:15 AM
The Scout // July 2, 2009 at 7:29 am
The way I feel, the P.M should get ALL Guyanese out of this country because as long as there are remnants of them left problems will continue to arise in Barbados by them.
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There will always be problems in Barbados & all types of problems big or small. But, I don’t think we need any help by outsiders to add to the numbers. However, I don’t think that we as bajans would feel good if the shoe was on the other foot, and our people were dragged over the coals.
Dark Knight // July 2, 2009 at 11:20 AM
At the Media Conference yesterday, Thompson said:
“The economic recession is predicated by a number of things, the most important of which is that – as we move around Barbados we say – some pockets of poverty developing – particularly among Caribbean migrants, that we felt, were not in the best interest of those persons.”
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Really! How can this be true? Was a poverty assessment done? Who conducted it and when? What was the measure used? Was it per capita income per household?
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This is why hartley henry said that anytime thompson speaks for more than five minutes – Barbadians should tape him: he is prone to live three times every ten minutes.
Yesterday was no exception. His presentation was full of contradictions.
Here is an example: In response to a question, he said that no plane load of people were ever deported from Barbados — seven minutes later (and speaking through the other corner of his mouth) David Thompson admitted that a plane load of people from Africa were deported but that there were treated better in Barbados than others were treated in other Caribbean countries.
Pure Bajan // July 2, 2009 at 11:25 AM
I belive these people taking this CARICOM thing to another level even if these immigrants are here to do an honest days work…why are the doing it illegally or why would they have to enter the country with all kinds of fake address, fake passports and fake id’s in the first place…..If a person come to work and make an honest living why doesnt that person choose to do it in a way where it has no benefit to the host country…you are working in my small island and not looking to contribute a thing here but rather send it back to where ever you came from what benefit does this have for my country and economy…the same country that gave you the chance to come here and make your money and then you turn around and bit us in the arse…..i find it ridiculous
I agrre with my PM 100000000% do what you have to do to get the nusiances from my mall, beautiful island, because at the end of the day majority of these guyanese are no benefit to my country…..just taking up space
Adrian Hinds // July 2, 2009 at 11:42 AM
(iii) Among the matters to be addressed by the Constitutional Reform Commission will be measures and
arrangements for the improvement of race relations in Guyana, including the contribution which equal opportunities
legislation and concepts drawn from the CARICOM Charter of Civil Society can contribute to the cause of justice,
equity and progress in Guyana.
5. CREATING A NEW ENVIRONMENT
The political Leaders of the PPP/Civic and the PNC will issue a joint statement confirming their commitment to the
agreed process of dispute settlement and their resolve to avoid the use by or on behalf of their respective Parties of
language which is accusatory and which might have an inflammatory effect in the political context.
extract from the HERDMANSTON ACCORD 1998
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IS THERE A REPORT THAT MEASURES THE PROGRESS OF THE INITIATIVES AGREED TO IN THE HERDMANSTON REPORT? OR SHOULD I USE THE MS. GAY McDOUGALL REPORT ?
AKA Report of the independent expert on minority issues 2008
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92. The Government and both political parties should take full responsibility to ensure
that decisions taken to resolve conflicts are fully implemented. In February and
March 2008, the National Stakeholder Forum was convened and brought together all the
parliamentary parties and a broad cross-section of civil society organizations. To date, this
process and the positive consultation and dialogue that it established, has not materialized
into concrete, institutionalized forms of cooperation and conflict resolution. The
independent expert recommends that the following decisions of the national stakeholder
process be implemented as a matter of urgency:
• Establish as a matter of urgency a new Parliamentary Standing Committee on
National Security with ministerial representation26
• Expedite the appointment of those constitutional commissions which are key
features of the governance framework and still have not been established.
Guarantee that those who are appointed as commissioners have credibility with all
communities
• Convene and activate the Parliamentary Constitutional Reform Committee to
address issues presently before it and to examine further areas for constitutional
reform
• Ensure the meaningful and effective participation of civil society in these
parliamentary processes
• Explore an agreed mechanism for the continuation of the National Stakeholders’
Forum
93. An open and constructive dialogue on inclusive governance, as envisaged in
the 6 May 2003 communiqué and the follow-up agreement of 18 June, remains an essential
component of a new political climate of cooperation. The Government should demonstrate
leadership by meeting the preconditions set in those agreements and initiating such a
dialogue with all stakeholders at the earliest opportunity. Included in the agenda should be
models used in other countries with deeply divided ethnic communities to encourage the
formation of multi-ethnic political parties.
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Report of the independent expert on minority issues 2008 mission to Guyana
Adrian Hinds // July 2, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Dennis Jones needs to explain his response to Lowdown Hoad last week article.
somebody here telling me that black bajan enfrancisement gine tek a back seat once again if we allow Indo-guyanese into Barbados. ha ha ha lol!
speak up Dennis I can’t hear you!
Dark Knight // July 2, 2009 at 12:12 PM
“The economic recession is predicated by a number of things, the most important of which is that – as we move around Barbados we say – some pockets of poverty developing – particularly among Caribbean migrants, that we felt, were not in the best interest of those persons.”
Is this true?
livinginbarbados // July 2, 2009 at 12:20 PM
@Adrian Hinds
Once again, the orchestrator. I’m happily watching the Williams sisters play at Wimbledon and pondering the post-PDC monetary system. My comments seemed clear enough to me: I did not like the cozy status quo of economic and political power sharing by Barbados’ main racial/ethnic groupings that Mr. Hoad said he liked and wanted to retain. Those who have not read the piece are of course free to acquaint themselves with his viewpoint. I have mine. Anyone wishing for specific clarification can contact me by e-mail, and I will try to deal with them by the weekend.
Carlos // July 2, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Compton Bourne should know better. His comments were out of place and should aplogise, in the least. What is the Guyanese complement at the CDB??
Anybody knows??
Dark Knight // July 2, 2009 at 12:39 PM
hartley henry said that anytime thompson speaks for more than five minutes – Barbadians should tape him: he is prone to live three times every ten minutes.
Yesterday was no exception. His presentation was full of contradictions.
The American Media would have torn him to stred for such blatant lies. But, this the the Caribbean.
David // July 2, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Are we reading correctly?
Many Prime Ministers and Opposition leaders across the region are coming out of the wood work. Looks like many of them are of the Thompson view Ken Anthony, Patrick Manning, Lester Bird…
Anonymous // July 2, 2009 at 1:00 PM
David where are you reading these leaders comments?
Dark Knight // July 2, 2009 at 1:03 PM
People are saying a loud “No” to “inhumane treatment; the rounding up of Guyanese other hard-line, iron-fist conduct by the Thompson administration, which borders on “human rights violations.
The only person/s who agree with David Thompson’ “inhumane; iron-fist; deportation doctrine” – are BU/DLP bloggers.
Not Prof. Girvan, Dr. Joseph, Sir Ronald Saunders, Regional Heads, respected regional journalists or those thousands of Barbadians who have shared-christian values, which promote decency and respect for the dignity of the human person.
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Hear Thompson’s confused mind! He just does not get it:
“I don’t think that anybody in CARICOM is so petty that – a single issue – even a single large issue – can affect the process entire process in CARICOM —there is not that level of immaturity.”
How can anyone feel that a response to a charge of “inhumane treatment” and of “conduct that borders on human rights violations” against CARICOM nationals – is: “petty” and: “immature?”
Thompson does!!! That is why thousands are saying – Not in my Name!!!
Jay // July 2, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Dark Knight said:
hartley henry said that anytime thompson speaks for more than five minutes – Barbadians should tape him: he is prone to live three times every ten minutes.
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Really Dark Knight ???!!!!
Mr. Hartley Henry also mentioned in today’s advocate something that the BLP clearly were up to.I CLEARLY remember Mr. Owen Arthur mentioning a PERMANENT MAJORITY.
“Is there more to unchecked migration than meets the eye?
7/2/2009
Sorry, but once again I shall defer dealing with the now contentious issue of immigration and, more importantly,
migration, as it relates to the enunciated policies of this Democratic Labour Party administration.
I suspect that when the dust has settled and all the facts have come to light, the person who will be credited for having broached the critical point worthy of focus in this entire debate, will be businessman, Ralph “Bizzy” Williams. He apparently saw through the shenanigans and alluded to the real issue about which Barbadians should be fearful.
I seem to believe that sooner, rather than later, the real sinister plot of those who contrived and facilitated mass, unchecked migration in Barbados will be uncovered. Timing is critical to everything and I somehow believe that there will be ample evidence, when the time comes, to prove the absence of naivety and the existence of a plot to “teach Bajan voters a lesson”.
I will say no more at this stage. What I will do, however, is share two recent experiences, in sister Caribbean states, upon which Barbadian voters should ponder.
Recently in the Cayman Islands, there was a change of government. An administration elected four years ago, with more than 65 per cent of the popular vote, went under to the party it defeated back then; losing critical support in its key voting district. Political scientists will attribute that loss to the impact of the current economic decline, disconnect of elected Members from their constituents, misplaced policy and project priorities and such like.
The dots that serious political thinkers are however beginning to connect pertain to the granting of “Status” (remember it’s a British Overseas Territory) to some 4, 000 mostly undocumented and majority Jamaican residents a few weeks before the 2005 general election and the fallout that the new governing party would have suffered as a result of its opposition to that move. Those “new Caymanians” could not vote in the 2005 election but several definitely could and did exercise their franchise in the 2009 election. The rest, as the saying goes, is history.
There is another Caribbean country where persons only need to arrive and reside for three years and they automatically can register to vote. Even without “permanent status” they are entitled to vote. This situation, I am aware, was exploited to the fullest by one governing party in successive elections until the challenger got wise and proclaimed a few days before an election, that should it be successful, it would regularize the residence or citizenship status of all these persons. Well which party do you think won that election?
I will not say much more on this issue at this time, because I need for the monkey to climb a bit higher before I expose his rear. Those latter day Pontius Pilates, with supposedly clean, innocent hands, can continue to believe that only they have brain and intelligence, and that because, like the proverbial ostrich, their heads are buried in the sand, their sinister plot has not been unraveled.
My advice to innocent and unsuspecting observers is ‘stay tuned’, for the worse of this sordid mess has not been revealed. This current debate has less to do with the thousands of Caribbean nationals who have made Barbados their temporary home and who, in large measure are contributing to the social and economic development of Barbados. It would do well for persons to recall that hours after the now-distorted Amnesty Statement was made, spokespersons for the nationality considered most affected, hailed the measure as the greatest thing since slice bread. Political operatives here in Barbados and their allies abroad put their spin on the matter, and ‘all hell broke loose thereafter’.
Emotions in Barbados are running high because the plotters have sought to divert attention from the real sinister plot. Overseas-based Barbadians should not jump to conclusions and rush to error on this issue. There are sound arguments relative the social, economic and cultural impact of mass, undocumented and unchecked migration. But in this emerging controversy, there is more in the mortar than the pestle.
What I would say at this point is that Barbadians changed more than a government on January 15th, 2008. Evidence in hand suggests they rescued a nation from the claws and clutches of a modern day version of Burnham or Duvalier. If one does not understand the analogy then tune into CNN tonight and follow unfolding developments in Tehran.
(Hartley Henry is a regional political strategist. He can be reached at hartleyhenry@gmail.com)”
Adrian Hinds // July 2, 2009 at 1:45 PM
David // July 2, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Are we reading correctly?
Many Prime Ministers and Opposition leaders across the region are coming out of the wood work. Looks like many of them are of the Thompson view Ken Anthony, Patrick Manning, Lester Bird…
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Do not forget Bruce Golding.
Jay // July 2, 2009 at 1:48 PM
I forgot the link.
http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/newsitem.asp?more=politics&NewsID=4629
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I think it is becoming particularly CLEAR that the majority of Caricom nationals agree we are currently NOT ready for Free-movement of all nationals.
This time I believe shall go down in history since as of today I just found out that the African Union has asked Caribbean to join their ranks.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=85&art_id=vn20090702052646163C391822
Adrian Hinds // July 2, 2009 at 2:07 PM
to borrow Rickford Burke’s comment, this particular Hartley article needs “It’s due prominence” This is a line of argument that I have been trying to stay away from, yet so much of what i learn about this issue begs for further exploration.
Dark Knight // July 2, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Day Watcher said on another blog
“Who says history does not repeat itself: “Pol Pot, Benito Mussolini, Adolph Hitler, Idi Amin, Slobodan Milosevic, Charles Taylor Osama Bin Laden, Chemical Ali, David Thompson of Barbados and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Ali Khamenei of Iran.”
David Thompson hates Guyanese as much as Hitler hated the Jews.”
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I therefore understand the last paragraph of hartley henry’ column, as seen above.
mash up & buy back // July 2, 2009 at 3:18 PM
I always knew that the BLP owen arthur administration was secretly seeking to replicate what is currently happening in Guyana;that is,seeking to increase the guyanese population in barbados and then reward them with permanent residency or citizenship status,thus ensuring that they had a permanent voting bloc for the BLP,just as it is for the PPP right now.
This is what happened in Antigua in the last election,and what Basdeo Panday was seeking to do in the 1990’s when he entered into a pact with ANR Robinson to grant amnesty to a whole lot of guyanese,most of whom were indians.
Manning now seems to be seeking to reverse that with his political union proposal for the Windward islands.
The Caymans has recently wrestled with a similar thing and this is what owen had up his sleeve for bajans.
This is how much he loved this country.
Anonymous // July 2, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Dark Knight – Henderson Bovell is at his day job again in the opposition leader’s office.
Anonymous // July 2, 2009 at 3:39 PM
I heard David Thompson and I am proud of the thoroughness and fearlessness of his presentation.
He set out his vision for CARICOM, explained the difficulties, made suggestions and put his peoples’ case eruditely and justly.
He also took questions. Any questions. That is why I admire him and his style. I did not vote for the Dees in the last election and I am going to vote for them next time especially now that I know that Henderson Bovell writes these pro-BLP drivel under the name Dark Knight.
Are our taxpayers paying him?
Anonymous // July 2, 2009 at 3:55 PM
On a totally different topic. Anybody hear Ronnie Clarke totally selfdestructing on VOB. There goes my respect for him. And Denis Johnson wont even save the boy from making an idiot/nuisance of himself. He’s now in the same league as The Admiral in the worst possible way. Bajan broadcasting at its worst!!
ace // July 2, 2009 at 4:44 PM
whart really gwine on ? whart ?-so wait yuh mean that we in Bubados is to allow any r-%*—h-o l–e body from any r——hole place to come here and live just so ????-steupse !!
ace // July 2, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Yes I heard Ronnie Clarke BUT I admired Ricky Brathwaithe for keeping cool and responding in a most dignified and controlled manner befitting his maturity. Dennis Johnson would not even intervene and cool Ronnie.
I notice that Ronnie said that Ricky has mellowed because of his matured approach but Ricky impressed me no end.
Ronnie I love you but even though you did OK a lot of conservative people in the listenership would think that you could have eased up at one point. Good Fire works though !-real fire !
Anonymous // July 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Imagine if you went into Cave Shepherd and the sales clerk shouted at you and was rude to you. Why should a radio Programme Manager shout at and brow beat a guest repeatedly telling them “say x, y or z or shut up!” Mine you, Ronnie wasn’t even the host, he was just a ‘guest’. And this excuse that it is Fireworks so people should express themselves like that… rubbish! You can be robust and still be civil. What I heard was NOT good radio. Neither is it good manners. It was immature, self-righteous and just plain boorish! Ronnie will have to work very hard to redeem himself. It was disgusting and Denis has to take a lot of blame for not reining in Ronnie. He was like a pitbull all over a guest who had been nothing but civil, mature and well-spoken. Ronnie ought to be disciplined, but Starcom has no standards anyway so nobody hold your breath.
Talk Show // July 2, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Ronnie was correct in every aspect, ya’ll are a bunch of old tards.
de man want wanna to call names and stop generalizing things, how else r we suppose to know who is who, call names.
ronnie ask de man to call name or shut up, an i welcome that, ricky u have a young daughter and u say u wife turn she way from tv when de man start ta wuk up!!! guest wat u cant protect her forever
u getting down in age u now know right from wrong, give me a break
this is not 1950…it 2009 things change grow up
Sargeant // July 2, 2009 at 7:28 PM
IS THERE A REPORT THAT MEASURES THE PROGRESS OF THE INITIATIVES AGREED TO IN THE HERDMANSTON REPORT?
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Good question AH. That agreement is probably sitting in a dusty drawer never to see the light of day. Who was the Chairman of Caricom these past few years? None other than OSA perhaps some journalist should ask him the question next time he surfaces. They can also ask a) Did he or anyone appoint a team to oversee the audit of “the systemic aspects of the electoral process”? b) Was the report on the agenda or ever discussed at subsequent meetings of Caricom leaders?
I’ll bet that Jagdeo spent more time over the past month attacking Barbados’ immigration policies than he has spent over the past ten years mending fences with the Opposition party or trying to repair the rift that exists among East Indians and Blacks in his country.
David // July 2, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Fireworks or not when all was said and done, it was easy to distinguish the lout from the gentleman in the studio.
J // July 3, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Pure Bajan wrote at 11:25 yesterday “the day majority of these guyanese are no benefit to my country…..just taking up space”
Hitler and the Nazis though the same about the Jews. They were taking up space needed by the Nazis for lebenstraum/growth.
Hitler and the Nazis were wrong, and people like my father had to help put some lashes in them.
Pure Bajan or not we may have to put some lashes in you too.
y. paris // July 3, 2009 at 5:13 PM
The handwriting is on the wall and all the island states, not just barbados, in caricom need to deport illegal guyanese aliens to avoid social unrest and upheaval in the caribbean. Everyone is familiar with what goes in guyana regarding race relations and it must stay in south america and not spread throughout the caribbean.
Disgusted // July 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Burke seems to be forgetting all that he said. He claims that his grand parent is Bajan then if so they must be ashamed for him giving up their rights and representing those whp seek to violate Bajan sovereignty . Burke is also giving away African rights for Indian rights.
Shame on CGID which claims to be a Caribbean organisation but when the chip are down can only see out of a Guyanese prisim. Burke entire Press release is below.
New York Caribbean Institute says Barbados immigration practices repugnant to CARICOM
BROOKLYN, NEW YORK: The Guyanese-American President of the New York based Caribbean Guyana Institute for Democracy (CGID), Rickford Burke, has said that Barbados’s new immigration policy is “divisive” and “supercilious,” and undermines the Caribbean Community.”
“The extant immigration practices in Barbados lack careful thought, have been fundamentally discriminatory and are antithetical to the values of the integration movement,” Burke asserted.
His comments come weeks after Prime Minister of Barbados, David Thompson, announced a new policy that allow undocumented Caribbean nationals who began residing in Barbados prior to 2005 to be given Barbadian government identification and work permits, but subject those who entered thereafter and remain undocumented to deportation.
Thompson’s policy has come under withering criticism from fellow regional Heads of Government and other individuals, forcing the Prime Minister to make a strong defense last Saturday.
In a statement Tuesday, Burke charged that “Prime Minister Thompson is attempting to build a protectionist wall around Barbados, and has created the perception that “Barbados is only for “Bajans.”
“This is unquestionably repugnant to Caricom and is undermining Caribbean unity,” he added.
Blasting Thompson’s increased deportations and early morning raids against undocumented Caricom nationals, Burke accused the Bajan leader of promoting “national insularity” in the Caribbean and of stoking jingoistic fears in Barbados.”
Guyanese constitute the largest immigrant block in Barbados. The CGID head noted that many Guyanese, particularly those residing in Barbados, believe that immigration enforcement disproportionately and calculatedly targets Guyanese. He said that the Prime Minister’s own statistics, which he disclosed at a press conference last Saturday at Grantley Adams International Airport, validate this assessment.
According to media reports, Thompson disclosed that from June 1 to 26, raids were made on 15 residences between 3 am and 6 am, leading to the detention and removal of 47 non-nationals, 34 of whom were Guyanese.
However, Guyana’s Foreign Affairs Minister, Carolyn Rodrigues-Birkett yesterday disputed Thompson’s figures, announcing that in May, twenty-nine (29) Guyanese were deported from Barbados, and twenty-four (24) so far for the month of June. In total, 53 Guyanese have been deported from Barbados since Thompson’s policy was implemented on May 5, 2009.
Burke labeled the tactics of Barbados immigration authorities as draconian, and more aligned with “George Bush’s” approach to immigration” than Caribbean unity. He condemned the ongoing raids on suspected undocumented nationals as inhumane. “This must stop. These are families who seek a better life in a sister Caribbean state. They deserve to be treated with dignity,” Burke contended.
Responding to Thompson’s widely reported comments that “I have announced a domestic immigration policy that is not a matter for other Caribbean prime ministers to comment on,” Burke said “Those words portend arrogant isolationism.”
“We agree that everyone must abide by the law and that anyone who commits crimes must be brought to justice. However, this must be within the framework of the rule of law, rules and spirit of Caricom, as well as international norms of civil rights and fundamental fairness,” Burke stressed.
He noted that “We also agree that immigration policy throughout the region needs to be reformed and rationalized. In this context, unilateral, singular and uncoordinated action by one government, is counterproductive to a harmonized regional policy approach that promotes deeper integration, which we all seek.”
“The Caribbean Community is plagued by illiberalness and barren commitment to genuine integration. Some Heads of Government go to Caricom conferences and agree to decisions they have no intentions of implementing. As the integration and implementation process intensifies and the ramifications become real, their posture then become one of ambivalence and insularity. This is unacceptable and they must be called on it,” the CGID president said.
He cited Barbados’ immigration policy as well as the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) as prime examples. It a reference to OECS countries, The Bahamas, Jamaica and Trinidad, Burke said that it is insulting to the people of the region that these countries do not recognize the Appellate jurisdiction of the Caribbean Court of Justice, but rather cling to the Privy Council which is a relic of the so-called imperial oppression, which some of the very leaders claimed to have fought against. He opined that in Trinidad’s case the circumstance is particularly disgraceful, as the court is based in that country, where its Appellate jurisdiction is not recognized.
“It is such actions or non-action which have caused Caribbean integration to morph into more of a concept rather than reality, as manifested in obvious protectionist and hostile policies, driven by narrow, national interests, the Institute’s head said.
Burke called on regional heads to “roundly condemn the Barbadian policy at this week’s Caricom heads’ Summit in Guyana.” He especially singled out Guyana’s President, Bharrat Jagdeo, and called on him to “stand up and represent Guyanese for once.”
Burke also called on Thompson “To halt all draconian immigration practices and confer with his regional counterparts to conceptualize a more “altruistic, uniform and progressive” immigration policy that is congruous with the spirit of Caribbean integration and free movement of peoples, as envisioned by the revised Treaty of Chaguramas.”
Jevante // August 3, 2009 at 8:46 PM
I WANT MY MONEY RICK!!!!!! IT S BEEn TO LONG AND YOU ARE DODGING MY CALLS!!!!