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No Threat To Press Freedom It’s All About ‘The Connection’

August 27, 2009 · 716 Comments

Hartley Henry - DLP Political Strategist

Hartley Henry - DLP Political Strategist

Barbadians are truly ‘something else’. The hundreds of calls, texts and mails I have received over the past four days suggest that I need not say very much in response to certain allegations, because people already know about ‘the connection’.

I thought I had stumbled upon a dark, grey secret with respect to why a certain person enjoys seemingly unfettered access to a particular publication, week in and week out. But every mode and means of communication has been used in recent days to convey to me graphic details of ‘the connection’. What I thought was a piece of ‘hot, juicy news’ turned out to be ‘a particle of rich history’; for Sam Cuch, the Duppy and their in-laws know all about ‘the connection’.

‘The connection’ apparently did not start yesterday, last month or even last year. ‘The connection’ has been ongoing for years now and apparently has been a rocky road for one, characterized, as has now become the norm with cohorts of the aggressor, by an enormous amount of abuse. I am hearing now of blows to the face, blows to the head, blows about the body and even attempts at slitting the wrist. I am also told of the entry of a company head honcho into the “ling”, and the moving out and moving in with the said heavy roller. This heavy roller must be packing a mean punch, kick and especially lick to have two bosses in so pitiful a state, lying prostrate at every beck and call.

That an institution, so once revered and respected, would permit itself to be used and manipulated in so vulgar a fashion is amazing. The foreign owners really need to come to Bim and investigate the moral cesspool that has developed within those walls. It is no longer what it once was. It no longer serves the purpose for which it was created.

Not everyone on the inside is willing to look the other way. The fact that I know of the telephone conversation that preceded the now well publicized call, indicates that not everyone is in agreement with that which is going on. There is gratitude to this writer for bringing certain truths to light.

There is nothing personal about this intervention. But I detest hypocrisy and self righteousness. I am absolutely amazed by the sordid details of incidents and occurrences taking place under that roof, involving the higher of higher ups who are supposed to be setting examples. “Run the desk for me. Tonight is my night, tomorrow is yours”…and up to the nest they go. The whole thing makes Sodom and Gomorrah look like students of theology. In return, the heavy roller gets prominence on demand.

There was no threat to anyone! There was an appeal for fairness and professionalism. There was the assurance that if such was absent on this particular occasion, the world would be sensitized to a chronology of events that point to the aforementioned connection being the source and the cause of unprofessionalism. The exact words were “the whole of Barbados will come to understand how it is that”, a particular individual “can have unfettered access to” a known publication. Little did one know that the entire world, it would appear, was already appraised of the sordid details of the three way connection that has brought a most noble profession to shame.

Those shedding crocodile tears must rewind and reflect on conversations conducted prior to the much publicized call being received. Whom did you speak to after receiving highlights of the survey? What advice was given relative the appropriate response? What assurances were made as to what will not appear where? There is a difference between being threatened and feeling threatened!

If you wish to know about threats and about being threatened cast your mind back, to not so long ago, when other persons were perched on Bay Street. Who could forget the fate of Jerry Richards, Don Norville, Winston Worrel, Carl Ince, Cecil Foster, Adrian Sisnett, Don Singh, Mohammad Saied, Julian Rogers, Muriel Sealy, Ricky Singh, Hugh Foster, Peter Greene, Terry Ally, Reudon Eversley, Rosemary Alleyne and Keith Goddard, to mention but a few. What was the cause of Oliver Jackman resigning from the Elder Statesmen Advisory Group? Which politician was overheard saying that a former big up in the pine ‘would never get a job in the local media again’?

This writer is not a madman. It takes a lot to get him upset.  But several months of examples of systemic unprofessionalism would have had to come to a head at some stage. One does not know whether the publication has wittingly or innocently permitted itself to be used, but the records are there and can be examined by anyone in search of truth.

You cannot be biased and at the same time plead innocence and objectivity. What is good for the goose must be equally good for the gander. You are independent and middle of the road or you are leaning to one side at the expense of the other. If you are biased and have an agenda, it is your right so to be, but do not expect to be treated in the same manner as when you were straight up and professional.

This writer is not intimidated by or afraid of threats and portrayal of being arrogant, vindictive or even anti the freedom of the media. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am a media man to the core. This has nothing to do with press freedom. This is all about ‘the connection’.

Let the world press bodies come in search of truth. I want them to investigate ‘the connection’. Would this and could this have happened anywhere else in the world? Let us go global with ‘the connection’. The National Enquirer would love the details. Call the police! Lay the charges! Let’s all go on the witness stand and be cross examined about character, integrity, professionalism and ‘the connection’. I dare you!!

Hartley Henry is a Regional Political Strategist. He can be reached at hartleyhenry@gmail.com

Categories: Barbados · Barbados Media · Barbados News · Barbados Press · Newspapers · Politics

716 responses so far ↓

  • J // August 27, 2009 at 5:41 PM

    Mr. Henry:

    Do you get paid for this?

  • Christopher Halsall // August 27, 2009 at 5:51 PM

    All I can say (perhaps to my own detriment) is thank GOD for the Internet, where censorship is treated just like any other fault, and routed around….

  • Christopher Halsall // August 27, 2009 at 6:01 PM

    And if I may, my above should not be misconstrued that I support any particular party. (I don’t; neither hear nor away.)

    But I believe strongly that *all* positions should be available to all others for consideration, based on the empirical facts.

    We Bajans are an educated and intelligent people after all. We can think for ourselves; we don’t need to be told what to think, nor should we be constrained in what we read….

  • Nice Try // August 27, 2009 at 6:08 PM

    All that long talk and what it still boils down to is blackmail. This from a man whose own personal life is anything but angelic.

  • Wishing in Vain // August 27, 2009 at 7:40 PM

    The Nation is really doing a load of shaving cream, they give a small window when Senator Ince gets sworn in and then they do this today for this rejected clown Holder give me a break.

    Are they trying to prove a point ?????

    The point being that Mottley pulls the strings at One Caribbean?

    Lord help them!!!!!!

  • Checkit-out // August 27, 2009 at 8:03 PM

    So HH has now essentially followed through with his threat as reported in the Nation and looks as if he is set on escalating a very sordid story internationally.

    It now looks as if the Nation report was true and it seems that it was really blackmail after all.

    Sounds like the same modus operandi as the old Jennifer Laski case. HH does follow through. He does’nt merely threaten emptily.

    Wow!!

    Its going to be very interesting to see how this unfolds.

    Will the whole thing peter out?

    Will the BLP be wiped from the face of Barbados?

    Could the strategy backfire?

    Very Machavellian!

    Very Nasty !!!!

    I wonder if the PM condones blackmail?

  • Nice Try // August 27, 2009 at 8:19 PM

    “I wonder if the PM condones blackmail?”

    And that is the burning question, Checkit-out. How could the PM of Barbados allow his “political strategist” behave in such an unseemly and sordid way. The PM should reign this fool in. There is an old adage ” You can’t fling mud without getting some on yourself”.

  • Pat // August 27, 2009 at 8:20 PM

    Do I understand what I just read to be that one person, let us call them a “she-he” is wicking the two top female bosses(?)/employees of a Barbados institution that is supposed to disseminate news impartially? That this same she-he with these two pigeons in the palm dictates what they should do, not only in their private lives, but at this particular institution as well?

    Wait, wuh wrong wid Bajan men? Wunnah dickless? All three of dem want a good fooping. Calling Sir Bentwood Dick, where you hiding man.

    Aint that de trute Bonny Peppa?

  • Johnny Postle @ // August 27, 2009 at 8:33 PM

    Gaw Blimah,,,wunnah girls getting real nasty bout hey. Calling for Bajan men to rise to the occasion and stop being so dickless. My God Pat ya throw a boulder here. Dah give new meaning to the term rock hard

  • Anonymous // August 27, 2009 at 8:57 PM

    Wow. Just, wow. Kudos to the attorney(s) for the Advocate who edited this from what’s above to make it printable. Just, wow.

  • Anonymous // August 27, 2009 at 9:02 PM

    Second thoughts, it occurs to me that HH probs had the nouse to do two different versions. Still, wow.

  • Bush Tea // August 27, 2009 at 9:16 PM

    @ Pat
    “Wait, wuh wrong wid Bajan men? ”
    ************************************
    Pat girl…. you wouldn’t know how bad um is bout here. “Bajan men” is becoming an oxymoron here in Bim.

    Women running things now soul… the ‘men’ are mostly to be found liming by the rumshops or hanging on the block getting their braids and dreadlocks plaited and groomed…

    We got Guyanese doing we wuk, Chinese and Europeans managing things… and the womens calling de shots.

    Calling Sir Bentwood??? fuh wuh?
    What dick what?

    ….why you think he wood bent? … probably not be hard in decades.

    Bush Tea for one backing HH. Somebody have to finally straighten things out bout here.

    …damn bunch of wickers positioned all over the place….I think that HH just trying to straighten out the whole mess…. LOL

  • Sir Bentwood Dick // August 27, 2009 at 9:17 PM

    Ohhhh laawwss. Pat? Wunnuh goin put me into trubble?!!!

    Cuh dear, yuh want my woman to pelt muh outa de house?

    Dis oneadem real’ty shows?

    Can I call pun a fren’?

    Bimbro! Pat gone an put muh into trouble! As you is eager for a young ting, help muh nuh!

    Loss Pat, wuh yuh gon an do, putting an honourable man pun de wicket tuh bat wid another partner?

    Listen, I run from trouble like nuttin’!

    I gone tru de door an down de road faster dan a boarcat….

  • Sir Bentwood Dick // August 27, 2009 at 9:22 PM

    Oh loss. Now Bushy Tea gone an cuss muh.

    Wunna expect one man tuh do everyting? I done (and for Bush Tea …am doing) my bit.

    Dem got some strong youngsters bout de place, let dem take a turn an do their civic duty, deng.

    Wunna tink I do it fuh anyone, jess so? I got pride, yuh know!

  • Bush Tea // August 27, 2009 at 9:37 PM

    What kind of knight are you Sir Dick?

    The Nation needs your services (like the pun?) and you running like a coward.

    That is why Bush Tea backing HH.

    If the women involved were cute (like Bonny P), the bushman may even have considered playing his part….. but from what I can see, I think I wid you Sir Dick…

  • Sir Bentwood Dick // August 27, 2009 at 9:44 PM

    Caveat: Without accepting, agreeing or otherwise indicating any fact nor opinion of the article above, nor subsequent comments:

    Bush Tea ‘The Nation needs your services (like the pun?)’

    lol.

    THAT is funny….

  • David // August 27, 2009 at 9:58 PM

    The Barbados Advocate butchered the HH article, we have highlighted those parts which were edited by the Advocate.

  • Adrian Hinds aka Tall_Boy // August 27, 2009 at 10:01 PM

    Only Hipplyta can be this powerful.

    Hartley claimed that M.i.a was involved somehow with the CoB and the empasse between some members and the CEO. Now are we hearing once again from HH that Mia may in some way be involved in the NationNewpaper editorial decisions?
    Are they key institutions in Barbados being run by a bunch Amazons???

  • General Lee // August 27, 2009 at 10:05 PM

    Real news for real people, no watered down edited crap.
    Let the people decide who is worthy of their, respect, support and trust.

    People have a right to know the myriad connections that have made Barbados the place it now is.

    No wonder the prophets are predicting destruction and damnation.

  • David // August 27, 2009 at 10:11 PM

    @BU legal eagles

    What about the parts edited can be labelled possibly defamation?

  • Anonymous // August 27, 2009 at 10:17 PM

    This is the slimiest piece of work that I’ve seen in a long time. If there was any doubt that WIV was HH you can put that to rest.

    He basically says there was no threat to anyone but if “fairness” was not followed he would “There was the assurance that if such was absent on this particular occasion, the world would be sensitized to a chronology of events that point to the aforementioned connection being the source and the cause of unprofessionalism. The exact words were “the whole of Barbados will come to understand how it is that”, a particular individual “can have unfettered access to” a known publication.”

    In this article Mr. Henry has not only confirmed there was a threat, but effectively carried that threat out.

    So we can see that the Nation article was not lying or mis-stating the case, a threat to an editor’s reputation was made and here we have that confirmed by the agressor himself. A government official has threatened the press to make sure that they “toe the line”.

    Mr. Henry may have overstepped the mark here in publishing this unedited article on BU, the Advocate’s lawyers are more than likely right to edit this stream of drivel and this may result in a lawsuit.

    Owen Arthur at his worst never did anything this slimy.

  • Checkit-out // August 27, 2009 at 10:22 PM

    Interesting comments!

    Anyone wondered why, if there was any significant truth in the article above, the Institution would call in the Police?

    Seems to me it would be in the best interests of the alleged Amazonian top brass at the Institution to stay far from the law and not risk the alleged shehanigans being exposed any further.

    Perhaps there is another side to the story than HH’s.

    Calling the police with the above scenario in the background just does’nt compute.

  • J // August 27, 2009 at 10:23 PM

    Does WIV’s wife know about the St. Lucian outside woman?

    And is he going to tell her or shall I?

  • Adrian Hinds aka Tall_Boy // August 27, 2009 at 10:23 PM

    Defaming who? stick a name in the article in a way that someone could be indentified as members of the three way “connection” and maybe. Even a stretch to infer that the Nation newspaper as a corporate entity is one being defamed, with injury to repeputation occurring.

    But I aint nuh legal Eagle.

  • BAFBFP // August 27, 2009 at 10:26 PM

    If eva I but up pun Ms Mottley after she had a few, I would move forward with flag in hand. Say what yah wan’t.. she might be a little on the big side but she is a looker up close! And imagine dah voice groaning… BIMBRO you t’ink Rihanna gotta voice..? Imagine Mottley grrrooning… ahh boy..!

    Dah blue pill did ’bout hey some whey.. Whey de hell I leff it..?

  • sylvan // August 27, 2009 at 10:30 PM

    nasty, stinking wicking corrupting barbados. we got to stop it.

  • Anonymous // August 27, 2009 at 10:34 PM

    The flaw in the “no names no lockup” argument presented here is that THERE IS A NAME. Everyone knows who the newspaper editor was so there can be no doubt as to who this is talking about.

    Effectively this post is an admission of blackmail.

  • J // August 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM

    ” sylvan wrote on August 27, 2009 at 10:30 PM…nasty, stinking wicking corrupting barbados. we got to stop it.”

    How???

  • Checkit-out // August 27, 2009 at 10:40 PM

    In addition,

    Knowing what we know now about the threat It is interesting that a number of persons listened in (at the caller end) while the threat was made (as suggested by the PM himself) and allowed it to proceed. Indeed they apparently approved it.

    It is also interesting that the DLP machinery allowed the above article to be published with all its warts and “sliminess” as suggested by someone above. Or did it slip through the cracks?

    We really need a plausible third party here and not just apologists for one or the other major party.

  • Bush Tea // August 27, 2009 at 10:42 PM

    Serious now David,

    Did you see that article a few weeks ago I think – where a writer to the press outlined the facts about the elimination of men from our education system by successive governments -mainly the BLP?

    No wonder these people felt that they could bring Guyanese and Chinese here to displace Bajans…. They had already successfully displaced the Bajan man over the last few decades – starting with a ‘Billie’ mashing up Lodge School and ending with the wholesale ‘effeminization’ of our education system and of our young males.

    I have nothing against sexual freaks – as Bush Tea has already explained, this is a form of spiritual sickness which could well afflict any one of us. (Just line a dirty environment promotes cholera, plague etc… so does a spiritually dirty environment promote homosexuality and other sexual/ freak illnesses)

    However, just as we would not allow patients with cholera to run our country by making cholera ‘acceptable’ to society, so Bush tea does not support sexual freaks dictating what our spiritual norms should be – or worse – changing our rules to accommodate their deviance.

    …and I must say that Bush tea finds this childish, sickening, cry by these so called ‘journalists’ – of intimidation, to be downright pathetic…. and typical.

    …they must really think that all bajans have already been conditioned by their warped, sissy, control mentality…….not this bushman…

    Hopefully this will the straw that leads to the exposure of the rot that lies below the tip of this iceberg of nasty connections.

  • sylvan // August 27, 2009 at 10:43 PM

    j, it look like u is a stinking wicker too. u like wicking bad too? wunnah is a bunch of stinking bitches. make my stomach sick with the nastiness you all doing.

  • David // August 27, 2009 at 10:48 PM

    @Bushman

    What are you saying? Could it be a Bajan leader is now willing to say like Prime Minister Golding not in this cabinet?

  • Anonymous // August 27, 2009 at 10:53 PM

    Gentlemen, a discussion of homosexuality is no doubt provocative but it does divert the discussion away from the point that a government representative threatened a member of the media in order to gain favourable press coverage for the governing party.

    No doubt this is entirely what Mr. Henry intended by publishing this article.

  • anonlegal // August 27, 2009 at 10:57 PM

    HH should be sued.will comment later

  • David // August 27, 2009 at 11:07 PM

    One of our legal eagles has hinted HH may be on sandy ground from a legal perspective.
    Do we have other issues emerging?
    Possible unprofessional conduct but pursued recklessly by HH?

  • BAFBFP // August 27, 2009 at 11:08 PM

    Storm in a teacup..!

  • sylvan // August 27, 2009 at 11:12 PM

    all of this nastiness was worth exposing.what barbados coming to? another sodom amd gomorrah?

  • Bush Tea // August 27, 2009 at 11:12 PM

    @ David

    Did the bushman not predict to you that this PM would be the best one we ever had? (despite having to lead during what will be the hardest times in living memory)….

    ….I like the PM more and more as time goes by…. and I believe that he is wise enough to realize that this country is DOOMED -unless the deep rooted wickedness that has enveloped us over the last decade or so is rooted out.

    The CSME foolishness needs to be put on the back burner…I suspect he has done that!

    The immigration issue needs to be resolved by ensuring that those who reside here do so LEGALLY-and that they are committed to Bajan values and to Bajan success.

    The Integrity question needs to be resolved too – but not by any quick fix legislation as BFP is pushing…. it needs a fundamental shakeup of a number of ingrained vices that has become endemic over the last dispensation.

    - the blatant bribery linked to ‘cost over runs’ and ‘consultants’

    - the moral decay characterized by the open homosexual culture

    - the mob-like business of ‘placing’ ones minions in crucial positions in order to defeat the natural will of the people, etc..
    (Unfortunately, he is a lawyer and thus wont to dwell unduly on ‘protocol’…)

    If the PM is to be successful, then these are definitely issues that need to be dealt with – not necessarily by talking like Golding – but (like Negroman insists) by ACTING forcefully in the interest of honesty, integrity and of this country.

    A good start would be to expose this whole Nation /HH nonsense.
    You must recall how long BT has been pointing to this organisation as anti-Barbados and as a trojan horse in the battle for our democracy..

  • sylvan // August 27, 2009 at 11:15 PM

    hartley, barbados got to thank you.

  • Checkit-out // August 27, 2009 at 11:20 PM

    I would like to see an objective analysis comparing the coverage the Nation newspaper has given to Ms. Mottley and the BLP members of Parliament as compared with the Prime Minister, the other cabinet Ministers and the other DPL members of Parliament over the last few months.

    That should give us some idea as to whether or not HH’s casus belli of disproportionate coverage of the Leader of the Opposition by the Nation is reasonable.

    If it is reasonable, then the threat of removal of advertising by Government agencies and those other agencies allied to Government such as Clico would seem to me to have been adequate to get the Nation to see the error of its ways.

    If it is’nt then the whole matter becomes another political justification smokescreen indulged in by both Parties.

    Reversion to what seems like blackmail to correct this issue if HH was right does’nt seem to be quite the done thing. Especially in retrospect where the blackmaillee appears to be fighting back and counterintuitively calling in the police.

    Could it be that HH is wrong about the important “facts” in his piece above?

    Could it be that the lady at the Institution knows that she has nothing to fear in calling in the police and that HH’s claims are lies?

    Could it be that the lady at the institution had no sensible legal advice? and how does that square up against the primary innuendos in the HH article?

    I think we all need to think this thing through without jumping to the conclusions that HH or others are gleefully guiding us to.

  • Bush Tea // August 27, 2009 at 11:23 PM

    anonlegal // August 27, 2009 at 10:57 PM

    HH should be sued.will comment later
    **************************************
    Lawyers never cease to amaze the Bushman!

    Such assertions are normally sufficient to send most persons running.
    A Bushman however has no fear of being sued…. indeed there are few better opportunities to delve into the gory details of any matter than for someone to sue you.

    Get real anonlegal! …a suit is exactly what we need.

    ….except that your lowlife lawyer friends usually just THREATEN lawsuits to force cowards to back off – or pay up, and if they don’t concede then you WITHDRAW your lawsuit – because you cannot afford to have the court delve into your sordid affairs…

    The truth is a powerful counter to threats of lawsuits.

  • Checkit-out // August 27, 2009 at 11:27 PM

    Bushman. You may also reflect that the truth is also a very powerful counter to blackmail.

  • Adrian Hinds aka Tall_Boy // August 27, 2009 at 11:31 PM

    Caster Semenya: Boy, can she run
    Her parents insist she is female. Athletics officials want her to prove it.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article6806403.ece

    she should have become a lawyer and politician. No one would dare question her gender.

  • General Lee // August 27, 2009 at 11:33 PM

    Could consenting adults be subjected to blackmail over their sexual escapades that were apparently not secret even if not public knowledge?

    If intimations of hypocrisy, are presented to the public, can the alleged hypocrite file a suit?

    The dark side of Barbados that most people ignore, because it is not their business, will one day devour us.

    That is the real threat.

  • Bush Tea // August 27, 2009 at 11:36 PM

    @ Checkit-out
    “Bushman. You may also reflect that the truth is also a very powerful counter to blackmail”
    *************************************
    Agreed 100% Checkit.
    Sometimes we need to take strong and controversial steps to get the truth to step forward….
    …but the truth ALWAYS sets you free.

  • Bush Tea // August 27, 2009 at 11:44 PM

    @ General Lee
    “If intimations of hypocrisy, are presented to the public, can the alleged hypocrite file a suit?”
    **************************************
    General, the answer is YES!. that has been the nasty, dirty side of Bajan legal life for decades now….

    What the lawyers normally do (or are paid to do) is use the threat of lawsuits to hush genuine calls for honesty and openness or challenges to corruption and fraud.

    Most of us do not have $50,000 to respond to such threats and so we let things ride and cover our own backsides.

    ….unless you are a bushman who has nothing to lose (or who is a millionaire that can afford to play their game) LOL

  • Anonlegal // August 27, 2009 at 11:51 PM

    “Defaming who? stick a name in the article in a way that someone could be indentified as members of the three way “connection” and maybe. Even a stretch to infer that the Nation newspaper as a corporate entity is one being defamed, with injury to repeputation occurring.”

    Adrian, as Themis already told you, there is no need to call a name.

    Everyone on this board understood what “publisher” he was speaking about.

    David, I haven’t seen the advocate version so I am not sure if it has exposed itself to any liability. However, if they published the article as it appears above that would have been a stupid editorial decision.

    Pat has already highlighted many of the defamatory imputations made in this article.

    Adrian and some other are of the misguided view that if no names are called then there can be no successful action. Please note the story below:

    “BREAKTHROUGH’ ‘Two male teachers assisting with police investigations’ ‘REPORTER Janice Griffith yesterday identified to police a man whom she said was in the room at a secondary school on 20th February filming a blue movie with students.
    ‘Yesterday, police searched the home of that man and one other, both teachers at a secondary school, and took away a number of items.
    ‘Later in the day Griffith, summoned to the Criminal Investigation Department, at police headquarters, identified a piece of red cloth, a pair a sneakers and three pieces of sponge which she had reported seeing in the room at the school.
    ‘Just short of sunset, sources confirmed that two men, whose names have been disclosed, were assisting police with investigations.
    ‘Debate
    ‘Heated debate has been ranging since the Sunday Sun last week carried an eye-witness account by Griffith of a scene where two men were filming school boys and girls in a compromising position.’”

    No name (other than Ms. Giffith who was not the plaintiff) was mentioned in the article above but the Nation was successfully sued. The judge concluded that notwithstanding the fact that the plaintiffs’ names were not mentioned the story was referable to them. His reasoning was below:

    “The plaintiffs had also been invited to the CID where Janice Griffith, the reporter concerned, identified the plaintiff Blackman as the man whom she claimed she had seen filming the movies. These extrinsic facts had been known at the time of publication to certain neighbours of the plaintiffs and their colleagues at the school. I therefore find as a fact that the publication complained of referred to, and was understood by those persons aware of the extrinsic facts to refer to, the plaintiffs.”

    I have never met Mr. Henry so I never had an opinion about him either way. However, after this incident I really don’t hold him in high regard.

  • Enuff // August 27, 2009 at 11:51 PM

    hahaaaaaaaa and David and his wife are beyond any questioning regarding their sexual preferences or dominant effeminate and masculine behaviour respectively? Marriage really does make us blind.

    @ Bush Tea

    - the blatant bribery linked to ‘cost over runs’ and ‘consultants’ = HH and Pandor

    - the moral decay characterized by the open homosexual culture = in his Cabinet and many known members of the party

    – the mob-like business of ‘placing’ ones minions in crucial positions in order to defeat the natural will of the people, etc.. = NHC, UDC, RDC, QEH and the list goes on

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 1:33 AM

    David // August 27, 2009 at 9:58 PM
    /The Barbados Advocate butchered the HH article, we have highlighted those parts which were edited by the Advocate./
    1. HOW HAVE YOU HIGHLIGHTED (IN A PERMANENT WAY)? IF YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCES CLEARLY THEN I CANNOT ON MY SCREEN (APPLE iMAC).

    2. HOW DO YOU CATEGORISE EDITING AS ‘BUTCHERY’, EXCEPT IN A HYPERBOLIC SENSE. AN EDITOR HAS PREROGATIVES. THIS HAS SERIOUS IMPLICATIONS AS A MODERATOR.

    3. THE SODOMY LAWS WOULD BE GOOD MATERIAL FOR PEOPLE TO READ TO CONFIRM THAT IT IS NOT ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY, BUT CERTAIN PRACTICES THAT ARE ALSO PERFORMED BY HETEROSEXUALS.

    4. PERSONAL DISTASTE FOR SOCIAL PRACTICES IS NOT THE SAME AS THEIR BEING ILLEGAL. FOR INSTANCE, MAY PEOPLE MAY NOT LIKE LIKE THE IDEA OF BEATING CHILDREN BUT THE PRACTICE IS NOT GENERALLY ILLEGAL; IT MAY EVEN BE ENSHRINED IN CERTAIN RULES AND REGULATIONS. PEOPLE MAY DISLIKE SPITTING IN PUBLIC BUT IT IS NOT ILLEGAL (IN BARBADOS; BUT IN THE US IT MAY BE, AS SHOWN BY SIGNS IN PUBLIC PLACES, ETC.)

    5. LAWYERS MAY CONFIRM, BUT THE ARTICLE SEEMS TO STATE CLEARLY THAT THE AUTHOR WAS ATTEMPTING ‘BLACKMAIL’, WHICH IS A FELONY. AT THE VERY LEAST, IT WOULD BE WHAT IS NOW CALLED ‘INFLUENCE PEDDLING’– the illegal practice of using one’s influence in government or connections with persons in authority to obtain favors or preferential treatment for another–PRECISELY THE ACTION THAT WAS CRITICISED. IT WAS JUST IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 1:34 AM

    s/b FOR INSTANCE, many PEOPLE MAY

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 1:41 AM

    AS SOME OF THE ‘LEGAL EAGLES’ HAVE NOTED, DEFAMATION DOES NOT NEED SPECIFIC NAMING; AGAIN THAT HAS GENERAL IMPLICATIONS FOR MATERIAL PUT INTO THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. IMPUTATION IS POSSIBLE, AND THE SALIENT MATTER RELATES TO ‘DAMAGE’ TO REPUTATION.

    UNLESS THE LAWS OF BARBADOS HAVE CHANGED, NEWSPAPERS DO NOT HAVE ANY OBLIGATION TO BE ‘FAIR’, HOWEVER THAT IS DEFINED. MOREOVER, IT IS A MOOT POINT IF ONE IS ARGUING THAT A NEWSPAPER IS BIASED–WHICH IS WITHIN ITS RIGHTS. IT CAN EXERCISE ITS BIAS FREELY. FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO THINK OR SEE MORE, LOOK AT THE KNOWN BIASES OF NEWSPAPERS IN THE USA; THE KNOWN BIASES OF CERTAIN TV/RADIO BROADCASTERS IN THE USA.

    THERE IS NO CASE THAT COULD STAND UP TO THE LEGALITY OF ‘THREATS’ TO MEDIA ORGANS BECAUSE THEY WERE VIEWED BY THE PERSON ISSUING THE THREAT AS ‘UNFAIR’ (A SUBJECTIVE MATTER, ANYWAY).

    IF BARBADOS IS TO REMAIN CREDIBLE AS A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY, THIS INSTANCE HAS TO HAVE ITS RESOLUTION IN LAW, IN COURT OR OUT OF COURT.

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 1:49 AM

    David, my screen has refresed and I see text is bold, which I take to be part of some original submission (though can that be proven by the author and has that been corroborated by you?).

    That text in bold, would seem to seal the fate of the author. I imagine that if those words in bold were in the original submission, then the Advocate knew where publication of them would lead legally. They are unsubtantiated claims at best and I’m sure that the Advocate, given its recent concerns about legal redress regarding publishing defamatory material, took the route of prudence.

    The passage that reads, “There is nothing personal about this intervention. But I detest hypocrisy and self righteousness. I am absolutely amazed by the sordid details of incidents and occurrences taking place under that roof, involving the higher of higher ups who are supposed to be setting examples.” could be used as a classic example of a true non sequitur, and a statement of total self contradiction.

    Any Hart felt sympathy for the author may well be totally misplaced.

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 1:49 AM

    s/b refreshed (not refresed…)

  • The People's Democratic Congress // August 28, 2009 at 3:51 AM

    “We really need a plausible third party here and not just apologists for one or the other major party.” – Checkit-out – commenter on the BU blog.

    Checkit out, the truth is that the vast majority of people of this country MUST RESOLVE once and for all TO DEMOCRATICALLY RID the parliament of this country and the country itself of these two increasingly stupid joke DLP and BLP factions – if ever our country is to achieve greater and higher levels of social political material and financial development in the long term, and if our country is to NEVER become a failed state in the next twenty or so years, NOTWITHSTANDING the fact that it is, right now, on such an abominable and disgraceful path with the DLP and BLP at the helm of managerial affairs of this country.

    So, you have the option of joining our party – PDC, joining the PEP, or going and helping form your own party. And, it is NOT just about joining or forming a party, it is about helping to build a serious national political movement, or serious national political movements, that is , or that are, genuinely about the fostering and achieving of a people-centered nationalist development for this country, right now and in the future.

    At the moment, in Barbados, with the DLP and BLP failing the masses and middle classes so massively, there has since the early 2000s had to emerge a nascent people-centered nationalist movement that involves the PDC.

    And, so, while we would like to offer congratulations to Mr. Arthur Holder for becoming the country’s newest Senator, given that it is first time that a Rastafarian has been appointed to sit in Parliament, and, as such, this appointment in itself must be seen as a truly significant step in the history of politics in Barbados, the fact still is that both the DLP and the BLP are increasingly becoming a sickening aggravating waste of time in this country. And they NEED to go now and in the future!!

    And, no amount of popular appointments to the Senate by the BLP or by the DLP to mask their inevitable demises; or no amount of use of findings of silly pathetic joke polls by the DLP or the BLP to largely peddle untruths and cheap conversations over them; or no amount of involvement in modern communication technologies by those two factions to rehash the same old dead pan messages, will be enough to stop an increasingly growing awareness and attitude among so many thousands of people in Barbados that the DLP and the BLP MUST BE RID from the parliament and political landscape of this country.

    For, NOT ONLY is there a need for the existence of two newer and very serious parties, BUT ALSO there is a need for at least another new and serious party that does NOT resemble the damned DLP and the blasted BLP in this country.

    And, finally, since the national and developmental interests of our country is ever so often at stake and imperiled under these two old archaic factions parties, it behooves you, Checkit-out, and so many others in Barbados NOT just to talk about the need for some plausible third party – whatever that means – but, more so, to get up and make sure that you and they strongly support the PDC, in its bid to help bring about a far greater appreciation for the national interests of this country; or to get up and make sure that some other newer party is helped formed by yourself and many others in Barbados with a view of greater more securing the national interests
    of this country.

    So long!!

    PDC

  • David // August 28, 2009 at 4:01 AM

    @Bush Tea

    BU is onside with your view. HH could be found guilty but some good may come out of it all when the dust settles. Many Barbadians are not aware of the politics which occurs between Fontebelle and Bay Street/Roebuck Street.

  • Anon // August 28, 2009 at 4:11 AM

    David, as it seems that everyone can identify the publication and the parties in question and, as the deleted bits (now printed by you) do not really mitigate either the message or the accusations, one has to take the view that the publisher (the Advocate) of Mr Henry’s article has taken legal advice, viewed Mr Henry’s supporting evidence and concluded that Mr Henry and the publisher (the Advocate) have enough solid evidence to support the defense of Truth.

    Also, Mr Henry has not accused anyone of a criminal sexual act. Homosexuality is not a crime. Sodomy is a crime. Nowhere does Mr Henry imply sodomy, nor can anyone suggest such, as the accused parties would appear to me to lack the necessary equipment to do that particular deed. I do not believe that rubber or plastic add-ons (as opposed to add-ins) would be legally recognized as they were not contemplated by the law makers who wrote that law many centuries ago when the vegetable patch was seen as an area of culinary delight only and plastic was not invented and rubber hardly a readily available commodity.

    Under the 1891 UK Slander of Women Act, it is actionable as defamation for someone to impute unchastity or adultery to a female. As such, it is one of only four instances in which slander (as opposed to libel) is actionable without proof of damage. However, in 2009 the adoption of that principal would appear to me to be long outdated and also to create a situation of sexual inequality that men and women who strive for sexual equality must deplore. So it is time that area was revisited and done away with. Of course, if the parties are unmarried and of a certain (or uncertain, in this case) age…..well, might make a difference.

    Bottom line. Let us hope that the persons accused give Mr Henry the opportunity of proving his allegations in court.

    It would have a terrific effect on tourism and remove from places like St Martin the rainbow currency that now goes into their coffers and, instead, bring it all to Barbados – and there is a lot of that currency around. The second effect is that it would provide us Bajans with HOURS, WEEKS AND YEARS of harmless amusement and gossip – in fact, the situation that Mr Henry has published has done that for some time now, but not as publicly as we would have wished.

    The phone lines must be burning up today.

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 4:27 AM

    The Sodomy Law covers many acts, not one. Those have not read it, should.

    David’s support of Bush Tea seems to be along the lines of ‘getting things straightened out’ (a pun of some sort is there). But if so, it also condones notions such as ‘taking the law into your own hands’.

    Laws protect populations from the whims of individuals. If society in general wishes a change it can and should be legislated. Two people rarely see the same thing at any event. There is also nothing worse than the misconstrued event.

    While there seems to be a lot of school boyish tittering going on, again, it seems that the principles are lost.

    On feminization of education, it is a universal process that has occurred over several decades. It is affecting black populations in noticeable ways, but is not in any way limited to them and certainly not in the Caribbean.

    Allusion to Bruce Golding’s remarks are rather funny. It puts back into play the true moral compass of countries that say they are guided by Christian principles and ethics. So, (cue giggling) no gays, but (cue more giggles) any number of wife beaters, and adulterers, and perhaps sodomisers of children (really?) in a Cabinet. The facts are out there in all instances: no one can hide his or her activities.

    If you want to understand what it means to be seen as the laughing stock view some of the region’s hypocricy through the eyes of the rest of the world.

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 4:34 AM

    Again, for those of you who love to live in the land of where ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise, you may abstract from legal definitions, to common understanding and definitions.

    Sodomy: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; copulation with an animal.

    Little or no ‘equipment’ may be needed.

    Perhaps you should review the recent case of Bajan schoolboys and the goats (or were they sheep).

  • Anon // August 28, 2009 at 4:55 AM

    Anonymous, I stand corrected and mis-spoke. I meant to say “buggery”. There is a Buggery Act.

    I defer to the definiation of Wikipedia in this instance, as follows:

    “Under most common law legal systems, the term buggery refers to a criminal offense and has a specific legal meaning.

    In English law, “buggery” was first used in the Buggery Act 1533, while Section 61 of the Offences against the Person Act 1861, entitled “Sodomy and Bestiality”, defined punishments for “the abominable Crime of Buggery, committed either with Mankind or with any Animal”.

    Neither Act defined what constituted buggery. Over the years the courts have defined buggery as including either:

    1. anal intercourse by a man with a man or woman, or
    2. vaginal intercourse by either a man or a woman with an animal,

    but not any other form of “unnatural intercourse”.

    At common law consent was not a defense; nor was the fact that the parties were married. As with the crime of rape, buggery required that penetration must have occurred, but ejaculation is not necessary.

    Most common law jurisdictions have now modified the law to permit anal sex between consenting adults. Hong Kong did so retroactively in 1990, barring prosecution for “crimes against nature” committed before the Crimes (Amendment) Ordinance 1990 entered into force except those that would still have constituted a crime if they had been done thereafter.

    In the United Kingdom, heterosexual buggery was decriminalised in 1996.

    In the UK the punishment for buggery was reduced from hanging to life imprisonment in 1861.”

    So, there you have it. Equipment (of one kind or another) is definitely needed.

    As for the school boys with sheep (or were they goats?) that depends on their age. If my memory serves (and it may not so feel free to correct me as I certainly am not going to look it up) under a certain age, a person is deemed incapable of any kind of sexual act. I believe that the age is defined as being 16 (which shows just how backwards our laws are – and always were.

    The point is that Mr Henry has not accused the ladies of buggery, merely suggested homosexuality – and that is NOT a crime in Barbados. Ergo, no one is defamed in that sense.

    Got to go and get back to the phone.

  • David // August 28, 2009 at 5:44 AM

    Thanks Anon and Anonlegal for your input of a legal variety so far. The fact you have different opinions on the matter at hand is insightful. The crux of the matter is always testing the matter in Court.

    When Rosa Parks sat at the front of the bus in Alabama, Montgomery in the USA in 1955 she had disobeyed a law. Her disobedience of that law has created a civil rights movement which is ongoing. Most admit her disobedience has served to make the world a better place. Law and order must be supported however sometimes the current realities of any situation will create grey-areas where citizens of a country will act out of concert with the establishment.

    BU like many Barbadians is aware of the machinations which occur on Fontebelle. BU stands behind our thrust to expose the hypocrisy which currently drives the production of news in Barbados. The Fourth Estate of the Realm is too important to good governance to become sidetracked, a legacy which Barbados has become known (good governance). The BU household loves Barbados to the bone and we are prepared to give of whatever sacrifice which maybe necessary to expose the sores which continue to fester within many of our institutions. Barbados has done well up to now but there are signs about which clearly suggest we have fallen asleep at the switch. The weeds are beginning to protrude from the lawn.

    On the issue of homosexuality BU’s position is known however current realities indicate Barbadians must start to address the issue in some structured way. The tension which currently exist is fuelled by the hypocrisy of Barbadians to want to closet this issue while at the same time expecting an equilibrium in public view to develop. This will not happen!

  • **Adviser to the President** // August 28, 2009 at 6:19 AM

    Absolutely despicable !

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 6:26 AM

    David // August 27, 2009 at 9:58 PM

    The Barbados Advocate butchered the HH article, we have highlighted those parts which were edited by the Advocate.

    Thank god that is why we have BU.

  • Bush Tea // August 28, 2009 at 6:35 AM

    Some day, we will hear of a lawyer /court whose goal and objective is to unveil the TRUTH…. to expose evil…. to protect the weak and to improve our society.
    ….but that will probably not be soon….

    It is far more lucrative to protect the interest of their paymasters. May God help us when those paymasters are warped…

  • mash up & buy back // August 28, 2009 at 6:48 AM

    We in Barbados who pride ourselves of being a decent,upright,christian society should collectively hang our heads in shame for the sin of ‘turning a blind eye’ to the allegations and reports that we were constantly hearing about that ‘wo-man’ re her aggressive and violent behaviour towards her partners.

    We as a society are too quick to place money,or family name or professional standing above the basic traits of good moral standing,integrity and the like.

    Bajans knew that the individual was rotten to the core yet in public they shouted :hail to the chief,what an articulate speaker,wuhloss he/she bright nuh,all the while whispering on the phones and among their friends and family of the dirty deeds being committed by that person

    The horse is about to bolt the stable gates,who will restrain it?

  • Themis // August 28, 2009 at 7:10 AM

    Who says that you have to be accused of a crime to be defamed? Would not being accused of being a lesbian tend to lower your reputation in the eyes of ordinary right thinking members of society?

    In any event, it seems that in the first highlighted part, an imputation of criminal assault is being made against someone!

    And there is not only sodomy (no Sodomy Law) or buggery (no Buggery Act) which are criminal; there is also the offence of “serious indecency” covered by the Sexual Offences Act 1992.

  • **Adviser to the President** // August 28, 2009 at 7:18 AM

    All of the nonsense that you speak dont not make what HH did , any less a sin. Stop trying to shift the focus to partisan political discussions

  • Themis // August 28, 2009 at 7:19 AM

    Bush Tea, do you realise that under our legal sysytem a prinicipal tenet is “hear both sides”? So what are you on about truth? In your elegant phrase”what truth what”? The court has to decide as best it can, from two conflicting stories, who is speaking the truth? How otherwise would you determine that? Toss a coin? Or accept the story which best accords with your worldview?

    In any case, HH would have a good defence to any defamation action if he can prove the truth of his “factual” imputations

  • sylvan // August 28, 2009 at 7:51 AM

    mia mottley is a public figure. her behaviour is a matter of public interest and concern. certain questions keep going around about her. they make her image look bad. people talk about her all over the place. she wants to be prime minister real bad. she should answer these questions truthfully. these questions are about her lifestyle. she wants to lead barbados so barbados has a right to know the truth. she should answer these questions with a lie detector.

  • Mobaton // August 28, 2009 at 8:07 AM

    David, Themis is correct. Other commentators talking up Christian values need to be sure they want to walk that road. Skeletons do talk and if any one were to find a child who would say….

    Buggery is not the sole act either…imagination Watson, imagination…Some of you are out of time/out of date…

    Perhaps a look at how ‘advisers’ have been released for their deeds in other British-based systems will tell you the likely future for Mr H, who seems to have prepared no defence for himself. HE has not said things that the Advocate suppressed for his sake.

    What was he thinking?

    Where will the article above land next? Is he prepared to have questions posed to him on how he may know what he purports to know? If a good journalist took him to task on the contents it would be a show. Imagine if this were next Sunday’s talk topic….Wuhloss!

  • Mobaton // August 28, 2009 at 8:09 AM

    I just heard that a printed version of the BU article has been put on the PM’s desk for this morning! This could be a RED LETTER DAY…..

  • lisa // August 28, 2009 at 8:17 AM

    Hi everyone,

    After reading the comments, I must say

    to you all remember this is Barbados anyhting can be said and done, nation of gossips no one has to care about words spoken.

    Is it that one can get away with anything on the island, in this it’s about who you know society. Do anyone of you think anything would come out of this or would it die a sudden death.

    Mr. Henry I’m a woman who have called the police, been to court been abused by a husband who can get away with it because I’ve ended up looking like the crazy one.

    I’ve been to immigration and over by the PM office called AG office as it is that my husband knows alot about someone’s not so legal business. Yet he can over stay his time in Barbados and walk back in to abuse me with words and torment me about taking my child and seeing me in the Mental.

    Yet I get no help and I can see to some to some degree why, this happens.

    I don’t know anyone, been away from Barbados sometime come back very different I had to deal with abuse, so I’m sorry that I’m not my former out going self.

    I’ve been to immigration for a husband that will be back here this weekend, yet I get no help, no one wants to listen to what I have to say. No one wants to know why he who knows so much about things that are not very good should come in here, when all I want is to keep myself and my kid safe.

    So this morning folks I have to make plans to move not care about the court system in this country that has failed many like me. Knowing the back lash would not be a good thing, kid needs their father or so I’m told. But having to uproot myself because I don’t know what else I can do for I get no help.

    I wish you luck in your trashing of the woman 2 sides and let the truth be told.

    But as a woman who have been at the hands of and words of abuse .I see what

    your doing as something my soon to be ex husband would do and I ask when will it all end?

  • Adrian Hinds aka Tall_Boy // August 28, 2009 at 8:43 AM

    Lisa you are truly confuse. Look at the Kerrie and Andrea Symmonds relationship and the action she took. Things have changed in Barbados. The only men who are getting away with abusing their spouses, are the ones who spouses seem to in a strange way like de licks. Out de man in public, on de blogs, and I can recommend a few fellas in Barbados that would gladly adopt you as their sister, and place a permanent chill on this man and his beating ways. You have recourse if only you will act. I don’t like self impose victims.

  • J // August 28, 2009 at 9:32 AM

    “sylvan wrote on // August 27, 2009 at 10:43 PM ..j, it look like u is a stinking wicker too.”

    Me and the chief still rolling on the floor laughing at this one.

  • zion1971 // August 28, 2009 at 9:33 AM

    To all bajan remeber when you are in New york vist THE CATCH.It is the only bajan restaurant in NYC.115 Farmers blvd Queeens nyc. They are having a fish fry today.Steam flying fish, breadfruit cocoo, coconut bread, etc.

    Ryan Braithwaite race today in switzerland at the IAAF sponsor welsklasse golden league at 2:20pm.

  • ?? // August 28, 2009 at 9:40 AM

    Threat made threat carried out.
    Thompson now has to be a man for once and act….

  • sylvan // August 28, 2009 at 9:45 AM

    wicking is a abomination. a perversion. a curse. a nasty, stinking act.

  • J // August 28, 2009 at 9:49 AM

    David wrote o// August 28, 2009 at 5:44 AM …”When Rosa Parks sat at the front of the bus in Alabama, Montgomery in the USA in 1955 she had disobeyed a law. ”

    David you are no Rosa Parks.

    Hartley Henry is no Rosa Parks.

    WIV is no Rosa Parks.

    You can fool yourself.

    But you can NEVER fool sensible people.

  • Adrian Hinds aka Tall_Boy // August 28, 2009 at 10:37 AM

    J you are not sensible if you are insinuating that someone said that David, HH, or WIV is like Rosa Parks. To penned such as the above may now lead person to now put J and fool in the same sentence. Buy why bother I would ask, no real person is being reference in such. ha ha ha ha lol!

  • Rickey George // August 28, 2009 at 10:48 AM

    ZION1971, what time does THE CATCH close and do they take reservations? We already have plans for lunch but wondered about dinner tonight or tomorrow. The menu sounds great.

  • lisa // August 28, 2009 at 10:52 AM

    Adrian Hinds,

    First let me say all abuse isn’t physical and no I’ve been doing everything I can to change what’s going on.

    It’s amazing that you come across people with attitudes just like yours.

    Now I don’t have to out my husband on the blogs but if I have to I will.

    All I want is him to get out this country and leave me to live in peace. I wouldn’t have to run into him or have him drive by my house in the dead of the night.

    Trying to get him to leave this country, even though he’s not Bajan has been hard. Immigration says I married to him and I’ve been told he has a right to be where his child is.

    Now this is a man that never did apply for any citizenship or even a new work permit here.

    However I have to live in the same country as him, all I was saying is that no ,matter what it seems one can’t win.

    He’s back in Barbados this Sunday and even though I’ve said to him many time to stay out or I’ll try to get him to stay out. He can laugh because it is just good fun to him and Bajans are stupid.

    So no you don’t have to like me after all you don’t know me.

  • Adrian Hinds aka Tall_Boy // August 28, 2009 at 11:21 AM

    He’s back in Barbados this Sunday and even though I’ve said to him many time to stay out or I’ll try to get him to stay out. He can laugh because it is just good fun to him and BAJAN ARE STUPID.
    —————————————————
    Lisa I have to agree. That some bajans is you. Make sure to wear some padded clothing on Sunday. Fool

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 11:35 AM

    Thanks Adrian I didn’t want to tell she that!!! ha ha lol

    That is why persons don’t like you!

    You too real!

  • Plumber // August 28, 2009 at 12:06 PM

    sylvan // August 28, 2009 at 9:45 AM

    wicking is a abomination. a perversion. a curse. a nasty, stinking act.
    ———————————-
    might be true so what ?

  • lisa // August 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM

    Mr. Hinds,

    Yet again you go off on one, you seem to be someone who lacks information on abuse.

    Now for the fact that you laugh and talk about padded clothing says much about you as a person.

    No I don’t think that you are real, maybe you are just real stupid. I don’t live with anyone I live alone, you seem to think that I’m some live in the same house can’t do any better.

    That might be most people you know but you don’t know me.

    I’ve moved here to Barbados, my mother born here, I’m a citizen of this country. I made mention of what happens when your trying to get things done. But maybe you lot are the ones who people go to, that’s why nothing gets done. Have a good day, I have a life and job to do.

  • Bimbro // August 28, 2009 at 12:39 PM

    Chris, is deciding which party to support too difficult a decision for u or, do u find continual ’sitting on the fence’ an easier perch to maintain and, if so, are n’t u ashamed of ur cowardice!!

    I get tired uh dese people who tell me duh doan support dis party an dah party!! Look, god give yuh a brain – use it or doan complain!!

  • mash up & buy back // August 28, 2009 at 12:42 PM

    This person posting as lisa has posted the identical story at BFP under a name michelle.

    This might have no significance as well as it may have some significance .

    However I did not think she defended or was too kind to BU with that thread at BFP that was bashing this same blog she is now posting at.

    Hmmmm.

  • Bimbro // August 28, 2009 at 12:47 PM

    Hi Sir Ben, sorry bro but, I’m unable to assist u with the ladies as I’m across the water as u know, however, if what Pat intimates is true then it probably has unsavoury constitutional implications which should n’t be tolerated!!

  • Bimbro // August 28, 2009 at 12:50 PM

    Adviser, how’d u manage to rise to that lofty position?!!

  • Bimbro // August 28, 2009 at 1:21 PM

    If these allegations against Hartley are proved to be correct then he needs to be summarily dismissed! We should n’t tolerate this kind of intimidation, threats and harassment, in Bim!!

  • Bimbro // August 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM

    It’s amazing that some idiots think we’re in Zimbabwe!!

  • Boy tall people ain nuh joke // August 28, 2009 at 1:47 PM

    MUABB
    This Lisa/michelle person is so confused, they can’t even remember their name. Yet she is preparing to tek some more licks come sunday. I can only imagine what her post licks state of mind would lead her to write on this blog, that is if she survive the licks. Of course I do not take this dopplegangers ‘ comments seriously. Uh mean they are so many options available to this person were they and their situation fuh real.

  • sylvan // August 28, 2009 at 1:47 PM

    mia mottley, you agree to a lie detector test? i and many Bajans want to know the truth about you. you want to be prime minister real bad so we want to know where we stand with you. we want to prevent the office of prime minister from getting caught in any scandals in future that would embarrass barbados in the world. answer the questions going around about you if you want the rumours to stop. come on BU. we waiting on you.

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 2:18 PM

    Sylvan,

    stop trying to deflect attention away from the slimeball who’s article is at the top of this. Blackmail is a crime. This is effectively what Mr. Henry has admitted to. No matter what his rationalisations its a crime.

    More importantly this crime was committed in the presence of several witnesses some of them Ministers. This makes them accessories to the crime.

    Similarly the PM could also be indicted if he does not distance himself from this.

  • Plumber // August 28, 2009 at 2:20 PM

    Sylvan -why ??
    The world is tolerant of homo exualitee ???——————>>>>>>>.

  • Scientist // August 28, 2009 at 2:29 PM

    Generally, I find many people in politics to exhibit an expression which I coined as “political pimpistic” behavior.They effectively convolute the truth, defy all logic and contradict themselves, merely for personal gain and gratification.

    According to the article the author writes, ” You cannot be biased and at the same time plead innocence and objectivity. What is good for the goose must be equally good for the gander. You are independent and middle of the road or you are leaning to one side at the expense of the other. If you are biased and have an agenda, it is your right so to be, but do not expect to be treated in the same manner as when you were straight up and professional.”

    Given that statement, how then can the author reconcile with the fact that a DLP political strategist conducted a poll on behalf of the DLP? If there is a modicum of honesty and integrity on the part of the author, wouldn’t he concede that the aforementioned poll should not be taken seriously as it wasn’t conducted by an unbiased entity?

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 2:39 PM

    All of wannah talking a lot of shite! We need for mor of this to happen!

    Wannah want we the ordinary man onthe street to lick wannah ass althoguh we KNOW that wannah is a pack of Frauds!

    Look skin them out man in any means necessary!

  • Themis // August 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM

    Anonymous@2:18,

    What HH did could be properly termed “blackmail”, but it does not fit the defintion of that crime which requires some financial gain or loss!

  • Spotting-Prejudice // August 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM

    Who is Hartley trying to convince when he says that “This writer is not a madman?” It is a fact that you are paid from the public purse to advise the Prime Minister of Barbados (and many of us are not in agreement with that association); you are not an officer of the DLP as far as public knowledge is aware; what manner of good sense would prompt you to call in the first place (threat or no threat), is not that interference? Talk all ya like, a madman in a panic would have acted as irrational as you did. Do not even know why the PM would risk the office of prime minister in defending your action. Seems that the poll had more to hide than it revealed. The DLP is standing on the edge of quick sand, I suspect their demise will be sooner rather than later. The people will decide when the BLP or any other party shall rescue democracy from the tyrants who threaten and seek to destroy peoples’ careers.

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 3:17 PM

    Themis you have confused blackmail with the crime of “extortion” which speaks specifically to financial gain by the perpetrator. Blackmail simply means that the person was compelled to do something or face the release some form of damaging information.

  • Enuff // August 28, 2009 at 3:22 PM

    @ sylvan

    “….we want to prevent the office of prime minister from getting caught in any scandals in future that would embarrass barbados in the world. answer the questions going around about you if you want the rumours to stop.”
    ___________________________

    We really live a fish bowl.

  • Themis // August 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM

    Anon, have you read section 9 of the Theft Act, Cap 155 0f the Laws of Barbados?

  • Madamme X // August 28, 2009 at 3:33 PM

    “Poor, Poor Triple H”

    I am having a field day with the recent battle going on in the Barbados press between a particular advisor / master strategist and an editor at one of the local newspapers. In fact, so intrigued am I, that it has spurred me to start writing again.

    I’d like to begin by saying that I am by no means affiliated with any political party in Barbados. In fact, I am Barbadian by birth and have never even voted. Call me a disrespector of democracy. I might be inclined to agree, but the truth is, I’ve not yet seen or heard anything from either party that has caused me to want to cast my X.

    I do however believe in transparency, and when public people are not all they appear to be, they should be exposed and not be allowed to use political wars and “connections” to defend their honour.

    I’ve had the misfortune of working with said analyst and aside from being a womanizer, dishonest and no great brain in the political strategist department (he simply holds brain storming sessions and then claims other people’s ideas as his own) he is also a bully, and that is why I believe the editor in question is telling the truth.

    I too was threatened by him. He once told me I do not want to get him angry, because I don’t want to know what he could do or have done to me if I did. Now that is a clear case of power going to someone’s head. I did not report it, because I did not take him seriously. To be honest, his bark is much worse than his bite and had the conversation been face to face, rather than on the phone, I probably would have burst out laughing at the expression on his constantly befuddled and ignorant looking face. Seriously, take a good, long look the next time you read his column.

    This brings me to another point. Why are women so enamored by this man? It must be a clear case of power, as he is not even remotely attractive – unless compared to a bloated bullfrog. I believe that had I given in to his advances to get under the covers, I would not have ended up like Ms. Laszlo in Antigua, yet another one of his victims. We’d probably still be on speaking terms, I would have been paid for the work I did and I would not have been at the receiving end of his empty threat. But I’ve never been the kind to sleep my way to the top and if I were, he definitely would not be my highway of choice – too many potholes on that road for my luxury ride.

    Now, let’s talk about “the connection”. His party used their “connection” to keep the story off of “My TV”. He used his “connection” to post his response in “his party’s” paper. So if we are going to accuse “the other party’s paper” of shoddy journalism, let’s be fair and also lay the accusations squarely at the feet of the other two media houses wid alllllll de connections right now.

    And I wouldn’t be so fast to say as you did in your editorial in the Advocate on August 26th, “Master Strategist”, that the evidence is there for all to see, because you seem to be forgetting, that this editor is not the only person you threatened, nor am I for that matter. In fact, I’d say that “the other party’s paper” did a great job in setting tongues wagging. Suddenly, the wood ants are crawling out of the woodwork. You’d be surprised “Master Strategist” of how many people are suddenly remembering and discussing being threatened by you, both in your homeland Barbados and abroad where you ply your trade.

    But as the saying goes: “Empty vessels make most noise.” So I’ll defend you to the hilt “Master Strategist”. I’ll tell them not to bother with filing any complaints because you certainly are one HUGE empty vessel making lots of empty noise and you will continue to use your “connection” to try to intimidate others and to save your hide.

    And before I go, I’d warn wifey to keep all eyes planted firmly on the Helen of the West, home of the former politico you “work” with on your many campaigns. Must be nice to be shacked up with someone when you’re away from home and need some comfort on those lonely nights, when you’re mentally drained from all this political planning and strategizing.

    Perhaps you should focus your efforts on planning some form of strategy or campaign to stop the train wreck you are on your way to creating. Ask your buddy at the PR company you started and still own (your words not mine) to lend you a helping hand.

    With Love
    Madamme X ;-)

  • Fair Play // August 28, 2009 at 4:36 PM

    Mia Mottley
    Just does not get it.
    In today’s paid program on VOB, she said that it was threat to democracy when Prime Minister Thompson spoke about the person who seems to want to give Barbados a bad name.
    That is why she will trail in the polls because most Barbadians are outraged by the mouthings of these individuals about Barbados.
    Mia did not tell Ricky Singh that was he was saying about Barbados was wrong. She did not tell Shridath Ramphal he was wrong about ethnic cleansing but is attacking the Prime Minister for standing for Barbados.
    She has failed with the immigration debate and this will haunt her in the next election if she is the leader.

  • zion1971 // August 28, 2009 at 4:40 PM

    Rickey George THE CATCH close at 9pm.Reservation, no man.It is mostly for take out, however, there are a few tables for dining very cozy and down to earth, nothing fancy.

    Another public anouncement Ryan Braithwaite was third at the IAAF Grand Prix golden league in switzerland today. His time was 13.21 behind terrence trammel(USA) and Dwight thomas of (Jamaica).COngratulations Ryan and keep up the good work.

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 5:08 PM

    Mia you gooooone!

  • Miss Ting // August 28, 2009 at 5:10 PM

    The innuendo in Hartley Henry’s piece is sooooo funny. I have been hearing the same thing about David Thompson, Dopey, Leroy Parris and others for years.

    What is it about us Bajans that draws us into the bedrooms of people that we scarcely know.

    My heart goes out to Carol Martindale, a decent hard-working journalist, who incidentally is a long-standing friend of David Thompson. (at least up until now) It makes me question the judgement of a man who apparently would allow a self anointed political strategist to lead him away from what is decent. Life is about far more than opinion polls and the next election.

    It seems to me that Henry’s real motive is to attack Mia Mottley. Fortunately, there are still people who judge others on their ability and their humanity. Were this not so Parliament would be a very lonely place, indeed.

    Henry’s smear tactics are well known around the region and ought to be rejected in a maturing democracy such as ours.

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 5:28 PM

    @ Miss Ting

    Who start this first! How would we have known about HH calling anybody!

  • Spotting-Prejudice // August 28, 2009 at 5:36 PM

    @Miss Ting.

    Well said! The only thing that I would like to add is: most of the Barbadian electorate happens to be female. I think when chauvinistic men like Hartley appear to be able to influence the leader of a country to ruin women’s reputations, they ought to be dealt with by all the women. Our women have been builders, they have managed to overcome many of the obstacles that blocked their progress. Persons like Hartley who believe that they have a God-given right to offend and to be so disparaging and disrespectful to Mia, Carol, and others, needs a statement. Our message should be in support of these women, not to hind behind the veil of partisan politics and not call a spade a spade. Get lost Hartley! Voluntarily go or the women shall ensure your departure from being so close to any other Prime Minister in the future; this is not a threat, but it is a promise that the female electorate will make good.

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 5:36 PM

    Ah, now see, to me that’s an important point! Why did the issue need to be given such publicity and international attention? Why not just let the police get on with it? Looks like an attempt to embarrass/expose HH and the govt by extension wasn’t carefully thought through. Can someone say knee-jerk?

  • cornmeal pap // August 28, 2009 at 5:41 PM

    Lord Jesus, I rebuke de wuffless talk on this blog abd bind it in jesus’ name and loose the truth , I especially ask that you chastise the people who malicious and stray from de pint at hand. Oh god. Help us.
    So anyhow, where is the priginal unedited version bosie
    Blessingsxx

  • J // August 28, 2009 at 5:51 PM

    Is that you?

  • J // August 28, 2009 at 5:52 PM

    Call me.

  • AnonAnon // August 28, 2009 at 7:10 PM

    I’m just wondering what some of you freedom fighter, free speechifiers think about the this blog now moderating and deleting posts that they don’t like? Wuh happen to the freedom of speech thing that David always jawin about?

  • Got Mottley by the Balls // August 28, 2009 at 7:24 PM

    Hartley Henry – A true Dem

    8/28/2009

    Hartley Henry is a son of the soil, born and raised in the parish of St. George and a committed Dem. He continues to be a thorn in the side of the Barbados Labour Party and the recent front page story in another section of the Press is evidence that this individual has his pulse on the direction of our print media.

    Hartley’s appeal to the Nation is no different to what this column has called for. We recognise that the notion of fairness and balance is an aspiration that is fading. The reality of the recent poll has sent shockwaves through the backbone of the Barbados Labour Party. The fact that Mia continues to be fading as a leader while Owen Arthur continues to
    wait on her demise is a clear indication of the deep fracture that the Party finds itself in.

    The public is still waiting for full disclosure on the rumblings within the walls of the Opposition. We trust that the same zeal and enthusiasm with which the Nation pursued matters of Democratic Labour Party’s interest will also be given to the current Opposition.

    They must tell the public what the true relationship is between the chairman George Payne and the Opposition leader. Why is it that as chairman, he has not spoken on a single candidate’s nomination? What is the relationship between Owen and Mia and why he is not lending public and parliamentary support to his leader?

    We are aware of the sensitivity of the issues and we know that the print media are doing their due diligence before breaking the news on the total mayhem that has taken over the Opposition. This is at the root of the attempted distraction of the truth. The truth was confirmed in the poll, much to the dislike of the Opposition.

    The vote of confidence in the leadership of David Thompson as Prime Minister is testimony to the ability to deliver on the needs of the public. We were hoping for the Nation to do the right thing and be professional in the delivery of the story, but instead they opted to pick a fight with yet another committed Dem. Hartley Henry is a political advisor to the Prime Minister and as such his actions are a reflection on his leadership. It is his responsibility to safeguard the image of the Prime Minister and by extension the Democratic Labour Party Government. He continues to be professional in his conduct on behalf of his boss and this country. There is no question that his work since election and to date demonstrates an understanding of our political environment. Hartley’s success throughout the region has already been etched in our history books.

    The attempt to discredit the political advisor by running a front page story can only be interpreted as an attempt to discredit the Prime Minister. We trust that the Nation Newspaper, in their due diligence, will publish their findings regarding this matter.

    Our relationship with the Nation has been defined by the withdrawal of our column from their newspaper. We cannot continue to be treated as second class citizens because of our political persuasion. This Party has done nothing to offend the print media in this country, but yet we are unable to receive a fair and balanced approach to the coverage of news coming from our hall- ways. This, however, will not detract from our mandate of change and accountability as we implement our manifesto’s Pathways to Progress promises.

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 7:25 PM

    Owing come and lick she up!!!!

  • sylvan // August 28, 2009 at 7:28 PM

    mia. oh mia. barbados waiting on you to answer the rumours. we want to know. They true? tell me in truth. they true? everything we keep hearing about you is true? tell we nuh? you mouth does run like you got diaray. so answer we. you continuing defending rickey singh and sonny not going to help you. you only making yourself look more and more stupid.

  • Bush Tea // August 28, 2009 at 7:43 PM

    @ Themis
    Bush Tea, do you realise that under our legal sysytem a prinicipal tenet is “hear both sides”? So what are you on about truth? In your elegant phrase”what truth what”? The court has to decide as best it can, from two conflicting stories, who is speaking the truth?
    ************************************
    Man Themis, what kind of logic is this you trying on the Bushman today? Are you not conflicting your own argument here?!!

    …first you say that the principal tenet is to ‘hear both sides’ and then you stab BT with his own phraseology (what truth what?! LOL) …

    …but then you go on to conclude (and contradict…) that the court has to decide as best it can….. “who is speaking the truth…”

    There are two separate issues here Themis….

    1 – Truth is absolute! The TRUTH is the truth – full stop. A court’s ability or otherwise to find truth does not change this fact.

    2. The fact is that human courts’ decisions often show little concern for the TRUTH, but rather are too often biased towards arriving at ‘convenient’ findings.

    “Listening to both sides”…(or indeed to all three or more sides) is no guarantee of a genuine search for truth…
    …we’re far more likely to arrive at truth when court officers are honest, upright, and genuinely free of hidden agendas and secret motivators….

  • Spotting-Prejudice // August 28, 2009 at 7:50 PM

    If we are concerned about Barbados and its reputation, it seems absurd to attack Mia or wrongfully suggests that she seeks to protect Singh or anyone else. Mia quite rightly has taken a principled stance for open dialogue and freedom of the press. If dissenting or opposing views are to be silenced by Government Ministers or operatives connected to Ministers of Government, then that is wrong. We do not need an erosion of democracy, no confident government in Barbados should be interfering with private interests in or outside of the media because the views expressed do not match that of the political directorate. Surely good reason should prevail and hence Mia’s views are valid. I am sure David and BU understands this, it is exactly what they have been calling for. So what do we do now? Do we chastise the messenger Mia for alerting us to possible encroachments on our democratic ideals, laws, and practices, or do we subscribe to the malicious intent of Hartley and company?

  • Miss Ting // August 28, 2009 at 7:52 PM

    @sylvan aka windbag extraordinaire

    Why don’t you answer the questions Bajans have about Thompson and Dopey, Leroy Parris et al? The shoe doesn’t feel so comfortable when it is on the other foot does it.

    Perhaps you would like some of the same rumours about David as proof. Since that is the kind of proof you seem to favour.

  • Checkit-out // August 28, 2009 at 7:58 PM

    There are so many things that do’nt compute with HH’s article above.

    Why would someone with access to lawyers write an article like the above, replete with contradictions and largely self-incriminating and submit it to BU and the Advocate?

    Is the BU article the original one from which the sections in bold were deleted for the Advocate article?

    Who did the deletions for the Advocate article? The Advocate lawyers or HH himself.

    Did someone ADD the sections in bold to one original article that was submitted to both BU and the Advocate? If so, was it someone at BU or some devil’s advocate seeking to put words in HH’s mouth figuratively?

    What would such a person have to gain?

    Is the police investigation complete? If not why would HH gratuitously reveal what appears to be a clear attempt at blackmail by himself?

    How do we know that someone with access to either HH’s computer files and or BU files did not add the bolded sections to HH’s original article?

    Is there a deep CONNECTION between BU and HH?

    Did HH himself write two articles, one for the Advocate and one for BU?

    Who benefits from the BU article? Does it provide proof of the innuendos against the alleged “amazons”? Does it clarify the claim that the whole thing is not about Press Freedom?

    Does it provide a clear picture of the character of HH and his political bosses as well as add to the innuendos against the amazons?

  • J // August 28, 2009 at 8:43 PM

    I feel that sylvan got a little tiny dickie.

    Any man that so miserable generally got some kinda short coming.

  • **Adviser to the President** // August 28, 2009 at 8:52 PM

    DLP ****DOOMED****

    HARTLEY HENRY ***DOOMED***
    ————————
    NOT BEING POLITICAL
    JUST FACTUAL

  • Wily Cayote // August 28, 2009 at 10:16 PM

    What really concerns Mr. Hartley Henry? Relationships and connections are everywhere. Is he not proof of that? That’s how business and politics work and people learn it from young–I will be your friend if…

    His words suggest that he does not like the basis of a particular connection or networking or the political slant is not to his suit. Too bad.

    If his morals and preferences are what is at issue, why not offer to counsel and guide rather than threaten? He want start some crusade, it look like.

    But is the man now going to go around and check networking and connections and be some sort of vigilante? His head good?

  • sylvan // August 28, 2009 at 10:41 PM

    miss ting …. u too belong to the wicking crew? u aint want nobody ask mia to answer the rumours going around about her? fire on all of wunnah that wicking in the open and corrupting the young girls and this country with wunnah nasty practices. wicking too much now in yuh face. that never used to be so. it start when the BLP was in government and start fulling places with wickers.

    J…. u want know what size i got? if u wicking too, why u interested? clits would interest u, not dicks. my dick for clean women… not ones that like this rubbing thing real and the rubber tool they does push up inside them that look like a dick and try to behave like a man.

  • Anonymous // August 28, 2009 at 10:57 PM

    Sylvan do you have anything to offer to the debate other than accusing people you disagree with of being homosexuals?

  • J // August 28, 2009 at 11:00 PM

    The DLP does not really have a problem with homosexuals.

    Some of the DLP’s most able members and most generous donors have been homosexual.

    The DLP is just afraid of losing the next election.

    That’s all.

    That’s all.

  • Revolution Island // August 28, 2009 at 11:09 PM

    I just want to remind everyone who touts HHH’s political prowess of his abject failure in the PPM’s campaign in the Cayman Islands. The UDP won against him using some part-timers, and with a slate of inexperienced candidates.

  • Caymanian 2 Da Bone // August 28, 2009 at 11:23 PM

    @ Revolution Island. Well, if he was on island for any part of the Campaign instead of just turning up to collect his hefty pay cheques, perhaps he would have been able to steer the PPM right. But he was too busy with his St. Kitts business in St. Kitts and his St. Lucia business in Cayman.

  • Miss Ting // August 28, 2009 at 11:31 PM

    @sylvan aka foulmouthed windbag
    bwwwaaaaa!! honey that is one question that i am not afraid to answer? but guess what my husband already knows the answer. and by the way, he is ten times more man than you will ever be. at least he ain’t polluting the atmosphere with a lot of unsubstantiated drivel. try if you can and bring something useful to the discussion. steupse

    Just when we thought Hartley Henry was bad… get a load of this:

    http://www.tcijournal.com/index.php?idsub=1635&id=8

    Is there a ‘connection’ here?

  • Spotting-Prejudice // August 29, 2009 at 1:42 AM

    @sylvan

    Shame, shame, shame on you. What are you trying to tell us? Your language may be how u feel, but enough is enough. Let us start dealing with competencies and whether you can get the job done. I am Barbadian and I want the best for this country, being as paranoid as you are does not advance our growth as a people.

  • Spotting-Prejudice // August 29, 2009 at 1:45 AM

    @j

    Who u talking bout? Cammie, HH, or other DEM leaders in their respective capacities?

  • Mash up & buy back // August 29, 2009 at 2:51 AM

    J

    For some one who claim not to be sympathetic to any political party,it is really interesting how you have so much nasty things to say about the DLP,but this venom is never displayed on the BLP.

    Think you could fool everybody with your garbage?

  • David // August 29, 2009 at 4:24 AM

    We have all read the HH article.
    The Nation newspaper has called in the police.
    HH has written lets go to Court.
    The PM has said he will not get involved, it’s a police matter.
    Where do we go from here?

    Let us put Barbados first!

  • Technician // August 29, 2009 at 6:33 AM

    Yawwwwnnnnnn…..

    Power corrupts….absolute power….

  • Johnnie Too Bad // August 29, 2009 at 7:08 AM

    Well, well, let us have a little decorum here, that article from HH was to say the least nothing short, of I gine get you stuff. What the two female bosses do in their spare time is of no concern to me or who they do it with. If the nation refuse to publish or comment on the Cadres poll that is their problem. Eventually people will not seek them out for news or information.
    Why the name calling and the slutish behaviour , simulating that of a couple of prostitues fighting over the last fare at the Garrison.
    This whole affair leaves the senior staff at the Nation, the PM and his adviser, the leader of the BLP and the gossipmongers looking like puerile prats pondering possible press outcomes at the next election. The people will not be fooled.
    I do not care who Carol or Mia sleep with, how much licks share or who get what and where. Seems to me it is echos of pot calling kettle green.
    Before wunna start pon me, I have a Guyanese maid that helps out the wife and we three live happily in more ways than one. Everybody happy.

  • Anonymous // August 29, 2009 at 7:21 AM

    Johnnie white man

    You bread buttered nicely,and your bank account full so nothing matters to you.

    Whatever government get in you will be fine,not so?

    We understand my friend so we will put you on ignore.

    Serious people understand that when a person sexual and political liasons could so influence them that they will censor,or slant media coverage to suit their special friend then we the society in big trouble.

  • Georgie Porgie // August 29, 2009 at 9:17 AM

    Nice alliteration

    puerile prats pondering possible press

    Love it!

    Interesting paragraph:

    I have a Guyanese maid that helps out the wife and we three live happily in more ways than one. Everybody happy.

    LOL Is this double entendre

  • sylvan // August 29, 2009 at 10:38 AM

    wicker wick wick
    who like licking clit
    who mouth get split
    who prefer prick
    wicker wick wick
    i going mek you tick
    wunnah aint so slick
    u tink i is a mick
    better choose yuh pick
    either wick or dick
    wicker wick wick

  • Johnnie Too Bad // August 29, 2009 at 10:56 AM

    Anon, why is there a need to be so personal, must I always agree with your particular brand of crap?
    And Georgie, it was a poor attempt on my part to stop some of the rants that seem so pointless.
    What is the difference between the Nation licking who they like and kicking who they don’t?
    When a few men in the city called previous Prime Ministers and told them point blankly what to do, it is only discuss as we gather for drinks before dinner. Mere mortals never hear of it. It seems to me, politicians have the option to start their own newspapers and so print what they want to see.
    Sylvan, thanks for your contribution to the development of Bajan literature.

  • Bimbro // August 29, 2009 at 12:13 PM

    Sylvan! u dirty boy!! but, yuh good!! :)

  • Enuff // August 29, 2009 at 1:19 PM

    “They (UDC) talked about hiring people with qualifications but could you imagine they are hiring a taxi driver as a field investigator and a barman to the post of project coordinator and talking about qualifications?”

    Saturday Nation August 29th, 2009

  • Barnabas Collins // August 29, 2009 at 2:55 PM

    When I saw the article on the front page of the Sunday Sun, I told my wife Sarah that I expect that this blog and Mr. Henry et al will say that the Editor is gay and that is why he threatened her.

    If anyone who is objective cannot see that this is one of the sorriest days in the history of Barbados, they are blind. This is how we do it now. If we don’t get our way, we go on the blogs where we can imply and say what we want about a person. Mr. Henry, you have forced me not to ever vote again because these are the choices – Gay or Thugs.

    I heard the piece on Wynter Crawford and I was saying to myself, we had some very distinguished people in Barbados. Errol Barrow, Grantley Adams, Wynter Crawford, Frank Walcott to name a few, people who were on the opposite sides of the fence but made significant contributions to our country’s development. But now what do we have. People who want to influence you by their alternative lifestyles or thugs threatening to expose your skeletons if they don’t get their way. And the frightening thing is that this is on both sides of the political divide. If it isn’t beatings, it is pictures from all male parties.

    This is the change I voted for and boy is it changing. I am so very disappointed

    BC

  • Anonymous // August 29, 2009 at 3:15 PM

    Barnabas Collins

    Hello Mia.

  • Johnnie Too Bad // August 29, 2009 at 3:29 PM

    B/Collins, cheer up, this is that time of the year we call the silly season, when news is so slow that you need to do something to fill the pages.
    HH too like most things will pass, Carol and her sex life will also pass. It would not surprise me to hear that HH made a pass at these women and got turned away. The man just can’t handle rejection at all, neither political or bedroom for that matter. In the end, we are all gonna be dead anyway, so why raise your blood pressure. I am here watching the waves rolling in with some devil waters for company. The wife and maid gone over to the other side of the island to visit some Guyanese friends. Isn’t life great?

  • Hello?? // August 29, 2009 at 3:42 PM

    What about a bigger plot?

    Didn’t Roxanne/Nation fire Henry’s column? Could there be some poison blood flowing between all parties?

    Less emotion people, enough crying!

  • Johnnie Too Bad // August 29, 2009 at 3:52 PM

    Hello you would appear to be on the right track. There is more than bad blood, what about the blazing row they had face to face. Carol and Roxanne knew this was coming. Mia knew this was coming. Seems to me it has the makings of a good novel and possible film script. Any takers?

  • sylvan // August 29, 2009 at 4:13 PM

    the corruption of wicking in very high places is the real story here. not hh. he expose it. he put meat on the rumours we did hearing for a long time. give him credit. look at the message and not the messenger.

    a class thing involved too. hh is a ordinary village boy that went to st george secondary. he like me because i went to parkinson which some of the snotty people look down pon. hh independent. he aint had to beg mia for nuh job which would make she glad because she like to know u depending on she. he went out and made a success for himself. he do better than a lot of the QC girls who defending mia and the snotty blps who think they better than everbody else and brighter than everybody else.

    when owen was cussing and threatening people left right and centre, it was ok. hh ask for justice, fairplay from the nation and it is a problem for these hypocrites. some of them boldfaced and defending wicking and other corrupt immoral deeds that destroying this country. i want one of these wickers to mess around my 2 girl children. i would lick in their ass, i tell u. they would never wick again.

  • J // August 29, 2009 at 4:39 PM

    sylvan wrote “because i went to parkinson”

    Hey sylvan, it ain’t we fault if you was a duncy boy and grow up to be a stupid man.

  • sylvan // August 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM

    J… u is QC snotty nose who defending wicking. why u doing it? u like it bad, right? it sweet? tell me, i want to know more about this wicking thing. going to parkinson didnt a curse because i street smart which u aint.

  • J // August 29, 2009 at 5:07 PM

    Dear David:

    Over at the other place some person has asked…”If I were a rich man (or his son)…August 29, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Does Mr Henry speak to Dr Erskine Simmons former MP and Cabinet Minister and present Chairman of the Commission of Pan African Affairs?

    Do you have the answer David?

    Does Mr. Henry have the answer?

  • J // August 29, 2009 at 5:09 PM

    Sorry to disappoint you sylvan boy, but no, I did not go to QC.

    Actually I don’t particularly like QC people (nor lawyers neither..wait that is often one and the same?)

  • Johnnie Too Bad // August 29, 2009 at 5:11 PM

    Sylvan, man you bad bad, you are a real hard seed. But some would say you protesting too much bout this lesbian thing. Maybe your woman done gone and these QC women making a beeline for your girls. Please leave J out of this, I have a load of Guyanese women to bring over and she already book up a couple, so lay off. Do you want to ruin my business?
    You really carrying this thing to far. Women are free to be lesbians if they want to, what’s your problem? You would appear to have much more than a few chips on your shoulders.

  • sylvan // August 29, 2009 at 5:15 PM

    johnny, i frighten for the sugar from guyana. dont want diabetes.

  • Anonymous // August 29, 2009 at 10:30 PM

    The truth is neither the DLP or the BLP care whether party members are gay or not. Because some of the best, most hard working, most creative members of both parties have been gay. This has always been so and will always be so.

    And I would not be at all surprise if both parties have always had hard working, creative bi-sexual members also.

  • Bush Tea // August 29, 2009 at 10:57 PM

    @Anonymous
    “The truth is neither the DLP or the BLP care whether party members are gay or not.”
    *************************************
    The truth is most of us here on BU do not care either! Bush Tea certainly don’t.

    HOWEVER, we care very much when these gays or whatever begin to take clear steps to take over control of our society.

    When they start to appoint one another to critical positions; to discriminate against normal Bajans; to change our laws and our society to suit their deviance; and to use their connections to usurp the established order of our society….. Bush tea does get hot!!!

    …This is not about gays.

    Bush tea have a problem with the Lodges too.
    Bush tea have a problem with the small clique who sits on all the Boards in Barbados and keep the poor poor and the rich rich.

    Bush tea even have a problem with those of us who are so blind that they cannot see the dangers facing our society from the many parasites waiting to suck us dry…

    ….yes!!, I mean people like you Johnnie too bad….LOL

  • Christopher Halsall // August 29, 2009 at 11:07 PM

    @Bush Tea

    But do you live here in Barbados?

    Or are you simply carrying a “flag”?

    Please answer honestly my first question.

  • **Adviser to the President** // August 29, 2009 at 11:55 PM

    what is the sexual preference of those in parliament on both sides ? I think Patrick Todd was on to something.

  • Bimbro // August 30, 2009 at 3:16 AM

    Well, as the Adviser to the President, I would expect u to know!! :)

  • Bush Tea // August 30, 2009 at 6:52 AM

    @ David

    Man David, why you don’t talk to your friend CH and get he off my case before he get hurt nuh?!?

    How is it important if this bush tea is living in Barbados or not?

    …right now the only thing saving he from a good buse’ing is his claim to dyslexia…..

  • sylvan // August 30, 2009 at 7:22 AM

    mia, mia, barbados continue waiting on you to answer the questions. you really want to be leader of this country? then answer the questions going around about you. we the people of this country got every right to know about you. mia, you run your mouth on everything else. let we hear from you on what people keep saying about you. we want to hear your side. we got every right to know. you want we to hire you as leader. we cant take you with all the many questions about you. we got to hear the truth from you. it important.

  • mash up & buy back // August 30, 2009 at 7:24 AM

    LIB now resorting to posting on BFP as rickey george and the other aliases.

    Oh how the mighty has fallen.

    The disingenuous J has a lot to say on the Hartley thread over at BFP even as they cuss BU and denounce this blog as racist.

    Not a word from J in BU’s defence.

    I am amazed and still in a state of shock at the hatred displayed by that blog BFP, towards BU.

    There was only one commentator calling out BFP for their nasty remarks about BU and it certainly was not J (who is everything from a backyard farmer,to an old woman,to a middle aged woman who is still working,to someone who traced her family back to slavery and traced the tree where her navel string was buried,to not be political,nor being kim young,nor being friends with lawyers……).

    There are 2 commentators on this blog who I find to be dispicable and it is LIB and J,and this is mainly because they come on this blog and post mutiple posts filled with crap and then try to pretend to be every so fair minded and objective.

    Hypocrites

    Man if you have an agenda,come out and spit it out like Wishing In Vain and let us decide when and how we take your statements from there on.

    With regards to BFP I ask myself quite often as I read their venom what has BU done that it has generated so much hatred from BFP as well as such suppressed anger and envy from LIB.

    Like the famous utterances from Rodney king during the LA riots :”Can’t we all just get along?”

  • Ebenezer // August 30, 2009 at 7:48 AM

    Mash up, if my grandmother were still alive she would refer to you as a “Sousie”. How is it you have some special insight into “who is who”? Is David sharing posters IPs with you? Nearly every post you make, you stating that so-in-so is so- in-so. I just want to know how or who gave you this special gift. Because I tell you straight up, if David is sharing people’s IPs with certain people on this blog, he needs to check himself and check himself real quick. Otherwisw, Mr. Mash up you nedd to shut up.
    You seem like you trying to incite some kind of rivalry or feud with BFP that does not exist. Kindly post some of the “venom” of which you speak. BFP Staff have simply removed BU from their sidebar because they do not wish to be associated with some of the racist rants on here. It is some of the posters to BFP who have made critical comments about BU, not BFP staff so please stop spreading lies and misinformation, something which you do on a regular basis.

  • Carson C. Cadogan // August 30, 2009 at 8:21 AM

    “With regards to BFP I ask myself quite often as I read their venom what has BU done that it has generated so much hatred from BFP”

    Barbados Underground provided balance by reporting the other side to the Kingsland affair. That really got BFP furious.

  • mash up & buy back // August 30, 2009 at 8:55 AM

    Ebenezer

    I am answering you because I am hoping you are sincere in your inquiry.

    Although after reading your entire post I am not so sure.

    It is not difficult for anyone with a modicum of common sense to detect LIB postings even with the use of mutiple names since he refers back for example to the exact number of posts he did on BU,and other specific details about his alleged representation to the IMF etc. which only he will know.

    Other bloggers are also well aware on the way he has been trying to get in on the discussion by not using the handle LIB,but multiple handles like Surveyor,one who should know,flying fish,rickey george etc.

    Norman faria does the same thing with names such as (reddy,emancipation day message,bajan born etc) and in one case it was so hilarious that he posted a comment on the starbroek blog with the exact quote he used on BU.

    Everyone on starbroek news blog calls him out when he uses the handle Reddy or Bajan born.

    David have repeatedly ask some commentators to refrain from this practice.

    The main reason why I think they should stop it is if you want to be taken seriously don’t use a different handle every couple of posts and pretend that these are multiple persons with these opinions – when you are one and the same.

    If you choose 2 names or 1 name fine,but don’t be disningenous and pretend there are a number of persons having that conversation.

    Now to your point that BFP does not post ‘venom’ re their comments about BU.
    Are you some kind of idiot or what?

    Do you consider calling them a DLP tool,or racists etc complimentary?

    Man check yuhself .

    BFP writes the nastiest thing about BU,and David the administrator at BU has never responded in kind.

    I am one of those who was taken in by what I thought to be the sincerity of BFP but I can hardly recognise that blog site from what it started out to be.

    Barbados Underground has grown into a serious,reliable blog, quickly over taking the popularity of the Barbados Free Press blog,hence their I guess the reasons for their repeated nasty jabs.

  • Fed up // August 30, 2009 at 8:57 AM

    Ebenezer when you think of racism BFP the white blog is in pole position.

    BU race loonies are Negroman and a few more.

    BFP on the other hand is allround racist starting with its owners and most of its posters.

  • Reply to Carson // August 30, 2009 at 9:03 AM

    Yuh hit de nail straight pon de head, Carson. And yuh know why duh vex about de Kingsland affair? Because Keltruth Blog and BFP are CLOSELY linked, and yuh know who de link is? Wuhloss, trubble coming up! Think of Graeme Hall. Blogger “Wuh” get ban from BFP for exposing de link sometime back.

  • mash up & buy back // August 30, 2009 at 9:03 AM

    Ebenezer

    You said:”It is some of the BFP posters who have made critical comments about BFP ” – so Pot calling the Kettle black?

    Did you and the gang at BFP say that you dropped BU from the side bars because of the comments of the BU posters?

    Do as I say but not as I do.

    You and all the others with your various blogs must be hurting real bad.

    LOL.

    I will always defend BU and David as long as I see it necessary because he has given us a forum to say our piece without fear or favour.

  • Ebenezer // August 30, 2009 at 9:13 AM

    So Mash up, it is pure speculation on your part that Ricky George is LIB? You have also accused other posters on here of being certain people (i.e. Jack Bowman and Mongoose are the same people). You have no proof. Have you not caused enough problems on this blog with your unsubstantiated claims?
    As for BFP, their staff hasn’t said anything more than what was stated on BU by a number of posters that the racist posts were getting out of hand.
    You should not so readily swallow tha pap served up by Adrian Hinds who has an axe to grind with BFP because they had the audacity to tell him he was no longer welcome because of his constant racist comments. It is Adrian Hinds, who has repeatedly served up (all-you-can-eat, buffet style) the notion that BFP is a White Bajan blog and therefore can’t be fair in it’s assessments of Bajan life and politics. Adrian Hinds has made this statement with no facts to back up his propaganda and all of you have swallowed it greedily and gone back to the trough for more.
    Some of you need to get past the “Adrian Hinds as God” syndrome. He is a straw man who lashes out at all who dare to challenge his vacuous opinions. Strawmen should be careful. All it takes is just one spark.

  • Bush Tea // August 30, 2009 at 9:30 AM

    @ Mash up
    …Not only that, David has to be some kind of special gentleman or something…

    I Bush Tea would have been cussing the BFP people stink, stink all like now so…

    I does be too shame of myself when I reflect on the manner in which David responds to the attempted insults and innuendo…

    The thing about ‘democracy’ is that it is easy to have when everyone agrees with you and everyone likes you….

    …the challenge comes when you have persons like Negroman who strongly presents his genuine feelings, Bonny P who does tell it like it is and even LIB who is clearly a pest.

    ….David stands out with BU in his demonstration of what true democracy is all about

    What racist what?!? BFP should check the beam in their eye…

  • mash up & buy back // August 30, 2009 at 10:01 AM

    Man Ebenezer

    Yuh carrying water for jack bowman aka moongose or what?

    Ha,ha,ha.

    Buddy,it was jack bowman who outed himself when he (using the handle Mongoose) thanked chris halsall for publishing a post (which was posted under jack bowman and not mongoose) he said BU had deleted.

    I think he made the statement at BFP as is his wont – jumping in on the usual BU bashing fiesta that goes on there.

    Now enough of you and your silly games.

  • Technician // August 30, 2009 at 10:01 AM

    @ Ebenezer….

    If you want proof, why dont you ask BFP and Adrian LOveridge how come Technician was put on moderation after I repeatedly asked them about the Money Laundering story they promised since last year.
    Only because I called them out on that issue, I was placed on moderation permanently and when I asked why, I was told that I was one of the posters making threats to AL and his family.
    Ask the same Al if I didn’t help him to hook up his PC and ADSL not to mention provided great service to his business, where I then introduced my self as Technician from the blogs.He knows me in person, yet still he never said a word in my defense on BFP. He still has my cell number.
    Where was the proof from BFP, other than they say so?!?
    You are just another johnnie-come-lately apologist for BFP.

  • mash up & buy back // August 30, 2009 at 10:03 AM

    David
    Did my last post drop out?

  • Anonlegal // August 30, 2009 at 11:16 AM

    There are many commentators on BU who claim that they desire “the truth”, which is a noble pursuit so long as that truth relates to a matter of public importance rather than the personal lives of private individuals. However nowadays it is very difficult to distinguish fact from rumour (especially on a blog).

    So until corroborated by a credible source, I always take the view that any scandalous, defamatory story I read on the bajan blogs (especially BU or BFP) is either a half truth or a blatant fabrication. Blog administrators are not journalists. They are not taking all reasonable steps to ensure a story or an allegation is accurate before they post it (or allow it to be posted).

    It always amazes me how commentators are willing to believe some of the unsubstantiated claims made by anonymous bloggers and are willing to label it “the truth”. Some of these commentators are not domiciled in Barbados and are desperate for any information that they can get from the homeland. Their implacable desire for the latest scoop from Bim seems to make them more susceptible to believing unfounded claims. When they see these claims repeated over and over again they become “the truth” for them.

    I would just remind people that a reputation is a valuable thing. So when a poster (in David’s view) “tarred the reputation of BU without a concrete basis for doing so”, David was defensive because he believed that the poster was placing an undeserved blot on his escutcheon. Even Mash up and Buy Back is upset that “BFP writes the nastiest thing about BU”. Just imagine if David’s identity was known. Those type of comments could have really done damage.

    It is the same for every one of these people who are the constantly in the cross hairs of BU and BFP. These are real people we are dealing with just like you and me. The only difference is that they don’t have a rampart of anonymity to protect them.

    Do I expect that my desultory harangue to change anyone’s minds about the dangers of gossip and rumours on blogs? No I don’t. People want to hear this stuff regardless of the reliability and the partiality of the source. The reputations of good people will probably continue to suffer because of this insatiable hunger for scandal and public embarrassment (whether true or untrue).

    I commend BU for those submissions that cover matters that are truly of substance. However, submissions such as this one, and some others, definitely fall way short.

  • Jack Bowman // August 30, 2009 at 11:27 AM

    According to Mr. Mash:

    “Buddy,it was jack bowman who outed himself when he (using the handle Mongoose) thanked chris halsall for publishing a post (which was posted under jack bowman and not mongoose) he said BU had deleted.”

    1. Please point out where this happened.
    2. I am not Mr. Mongoose.
    3. Mr. ROK assures me on these same boards that he can track me down to the very building I am in and that he will GET ME.
    4. Shortly after that threat was made, Mr. Halsall (again on these boards) made an open offer of technical assistance to the owner of the blog.
    5. I have been in email contact with both the blog owner and Mr. Halsall about the threat.
    6. Worth repeating: I am not Mr. Mongoose.

    Good day to you, sir.

  • Ebenezer // August 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM

    Sherlock Mash Up, you need to put on your reading glasses and go back to the thread you are referring to. Below is the original post by Chris Halsall:

    Christopher Halsall // August 26, 2009 at 4:04 PM

    @Mongoose (not yet released from moderation, but received by way of GMail)): “By the way Adrian, LIB is not an idiot, far from it. I wish him every success in his bid to show you, David, and all the other mouthy egotistical minions that eventually, you must pay the piper.

    Jack Bowman responded by asking if Chris Halsall has now become a moderator for BU.

    If you scroll further down you will see Mongoose’s direct reply to Chris Halsall asking him to print his deleted post in it’s entirety.

    You see how easily confused and unable to follow a discussion you are?

    Aren’t you the one that also keeps insisting that “J” is Kim Young when clearly she is not?

  • mash up & buy back // August 30, 2009 at 12:35 PM

    Jack bowman in a post on BFP thanked chris hasall for publishing his post (which was written under the handle mongoose).

  • mash up & buy back // August 30, 2009 at 12:40 PM

    We know who kim young is,but we don’t know if she is posting as kim young.

    I became convinced of this after certain things were brought to light last year by another regular poster on this blog.

    Following that certain things made sense.

    I really don’t have to respond to you,but I have chosen to do so out of mere courtesy.

    My conversation with you on this matter is now at an end.

  • Ebenezer // August 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM

    Show us the proof Sherlock Mash-up. I would not take your word for anything. Please copy and paste Jack Bowman’s post from BFP.

  • CoveringUp // August 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM

    2 years since 5 Codrington people died. Man, wife 3 childrens.

    WHY NO Coroner’s INQUEST?

  • mash up & buy back // August 30, 2009 at 12:52 PM

    First line should read:

    But we don’t know if she is kim young posting as J.

    A kim young has posted saying she is not J.

    That’s fine with me.

  • Anonymous // August 30, 2009 at 12:52 PM

    BFP has gone on a direct attack on BU !!! What’s happening?!!

  • David // August 30, 2009 at 1:17 PM

    @Anonlegal

    Thanks for your comment, we sense its sincerity. BU continues to encourage rebuttals and we go out of our way to present the other side. BU will continue to host a platform to promote freedom of expression.

  • Bimbro // August 30, 2009 at 1:36 PM

    This ‘dispute’ between BFP and BU reminds me of the perennial story of blacks and whites and crabs in a barrel with which I’m sure many of u will be familiar – to the complete disgrace of BFP, I hasten to add!!

  • Postit Note // August 30, 2009 at 2:05 PM

    David and Anonlegal, I suggest you have a read of what Mash wrote and I think you will find it is very far from the truth on many levels. He seems to act as if others will not read and see for themselves. If he can cite the instances he claims are there it will be a revelation, because they do not exist. So, where there is truth, why create untruths that can be checked.

    He also talks about a poster using multiple handles as if a rule has been broken. Take a look perhaps at BU’s comments policy and point out to him that he is barking at a tree. Such a pity that whatever point is being made has nothing to stand on except the hope that people will just ‘trust in Mash’.

  • Carson C. Cadogan // August 30, 2009 at 2:21 PM

    Anonlegal

    “it is the same for every one of these people who are the constantly in the cross hairs of BU and BFP. These are real people”

    “These are real people”. Real nasty people you might add too.

    If “these people” would lead clean proper lives then they would not be in the spotlight so often.

    You seem more interested in protecting them than in condemning their wicked ways.

    Are they your friends?

  • Ebenezer // August 30, 2009 at 2:44 PM

    Sherlock Mash Up, it has been almost 2 hours since I asked you to show the post from BFP where Jack Bowman thanked Chris Halsall for posting his comment which had been deleted by David of BU. The clock is ticking. If you can not locate that post, then admit that you distorted the facts to serve your own purpose.

  • Anonlegal // August 30, 2009 at 3:22 PM

    Carson. You are exactly the type of person my post takes aim at. You believe that these people are engaged in wicked ways. Why? Is it because Hartly Henry or some of other random rumormonger said so? The day that an anonymous blogger alleges that Carson Cadogan (if that is your real name) is pedophile or a thief or some other type of miscreant let’s hope that you can stop such allegations from spreading and becoming something that everyone just accepts as “the truth”.
    If you speak to some republicans today they will swear on their mother’s life that Barack Obama was born in Kenya or that he hates white people. During the primaries many Hilary Clinton supporters were convinced that Obama had a homosexual relationship with a guy in Chicago. How are you any different Carson? Are you hiding under the bed of politicians and other well known persons in order to see who they are spending their nights with? I highly doubt it. It is more likely that someone told you, that someone told them, that they once sat down next to a person, who read on a blog information that you now accept as “the truth”.

  • Anonymous // August 30, 2009 at 3:48 PM

    Carson you my man has a better grip than others on the types like anonlegal.

    They come in seeming very reasonable and trying to just deal with unvarnished facts,but when you read their arguments you notice that it usually gives one side a better position than the other and that there is usually some bias cloaked in an armour of objectivity.

    But of course they are a legal eagle-beagle or some other worthy professional unlike the lumpen proletariat who make up the majority here on this blog and we know the latter love gossip,exaggeration and salicious rumour unlike said professionals above.

  • Bush Tea // August 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM

    @Anonlegal

    Let us concede that you have a point, and that you have made it eloquently.

    Now you should also concede that the situation which you seek to defend essentially existed before the blogs – (except of course for the rumshops, cocktail circuit and the ‘phone…LOL)

    You should also concede that the problem with that arrangement has been our inability to call out clear examples of thieving, bribery, laziness and ineptitude on the part on numerous public officials and others.

    …and this is not based on anyone telling someone some story overheard behind the lower green…. I am referring to the report of the Auditor General, the various commissions of Inquiry, and other obvious indicators like previously poor ministers suddenly buying plantations, driving Mercedes Benz and admitting to the deposit of hundreds of thousands of dollars (mistakenly it appears) on their bank accounts. Like million dollar ‘contracts’ without having plans or even actual contracts etc

    Can you PLEASE tell us how you see that we can address this issue without the danger of some nut calling Mr Cadogan a pedopile….

    I know that too far east is west, but is it not about time we put the fear of the Lord in public officials?

  • Postit Note // August 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM

    Anonlegal and Carson, the ‘nasty’ people are there. Lawyers uphold laws. Even MPs who do not like ‘nasty’ people find themselves defending them in court. Look at Jamaican MP Ernie Smith, now famous for demanding stronger sodomy laws and at same time defending a man who sodomised his niece—and he got the guy off. This is well reported in Jamaican papers. Not hypocricy? Just doing his job, Smith said. Read beyond the borders of Barbados.

  • Moderated and Deleted Ebenezer // August 30, 2009 at 4:24 PM

    Sherlock Mash-up, it has been almost 4 hours since I asked you to find the post on BFP, where you claim that Jack Bowman thanked Chris Halsall for reproducing his deleted post under the name Mongoose. Have you found it yet?

  • Carson C. Cadogan // August 30, 2009 at 4:54 PM

    Anonlegal

    “The day that an anonymous blogger alleges that Carson Cadogan (if that is your real name) is pedophile or a thief or some other type of miscreant let’s hope that you can stop such allegations from spreading and becoming something that everyone just accepts as “the truth”"

    My conduct has always been above board.
    Unlike the garbage you are trying to defend.

  • Adrian Hinds // August 30, 2009 at 7:05 PM

    ha ha ha ha Carson yuh holding a legal blackbird real tight. lol!

    De Advocate article on yellow journalism aint mixing terms at all. Duh like duh mekking sure deh aint get left out on puttin something on their front page. lol!

    Adrian

    The link to the article has been updated to your comment.

    David

  • Adrian Hinds // August 30, 2009 at 8:07 PM

    Yellow Journalism.
    n.
    Journalism that exploits, distorts, or exaggerates the news to create sensations and attract readers.

    Origin: 1898

    The color wasn’t new. Yellow has been a primary color in our language for thousands of years. But this yellow was in a new place, in comic strips on the front page of some of New York’s Sunday newspapers. And the newspapers were fighting the fiercest circulation war in American history by clamoring for real war against Spain. In disgust, rival editors called it yellow journalism.

  • Ebenezer // August 30, 2009 at 8:14 PM

    Yes, Adrian and yellow is also the colour of cowardice. Yellow-bellied, Yellow-livered. Must be Mash-up’s fav colour.

  • Adrian Hinds // August 30, 2009 at 8:35 PM

    David do you think that Advocate will continue their piece on yellow journalism in tomorrows editions?

    @MUABB
    show you face leh we dicuss the Advocate’ weighing in on the Hartley vs Carol M issue.

  • David // August 30, 2009 at 8:39 PM

    @Adrian

    Bryan the owner of the Advocate is known to be now sympathetic to the DLP’s cause. Remember he was in the camp of the BLP when in power. Should we say more?

  • J // August 30, 2009 at 11:22 PM

    mash up & buy back wrote // August 30, 2009 at 7:24 AM… ‘The disingenuous J has a lot to say on the Hartley thread over at BFP even as they cuss BU and denounce this blog as racist…Not a word from J in BU’s defence.”

    But I don’t have to defend BU/David. David is a big man and can defend himself. He is NOT my friend. I’ve never met him and I don’t want to meet him.

    I don’t have to defend BFP either. They are NOT my friends. I’ve never met them, and I don’t want to meet them.

    Politically I am non-partisan. And I know that that lot of people find that hard to understand.

    I’ve voted BLP many times, I’ve voted DLP many times. I hope to vote BLP many, many more times. I hope to vote DLP many, many more times.

    But at each election, each party has to show me good REASON why I should vote for them.

    Neither party will EVER be able to assume that they have my vote in the bag.

    And oh, I AM NOT KIM YOUNG. I’ve never met Kim Young and I have no idea who she is. I don’t want to meet her either.

  • Gear Box // August 30, 2009 at 11:29 PM

    I konw ’bout yella teet.. but now yella Brian..? Wah..he from Hong Kong ..?

    AAAAAAAAAAAghhhhhhhhhhhh

  • Ebenezer // August 31, 2009 at 6:38 AM

    I can only conclude that Sherlock Mash up is not able ro find the post he speaks of because it simply doesn’t exist. Once again it has been discovered that Mash up likes to tell a lot of lies and make false allegations. Are you not the person that made false allegations against “Living in Barbados” and put this blog under the threat of a lawsuit?

  • David // August 31, 2009 at 6:57 AM

    @BU family and friends

    Continue to make your comments as we continue to grow our platform to promote freedom of expression. Some commenters we will NOT agree with but they have a right to share their views. In return, the family has an obligation to work together to share our experiences and we learn from one and all.

    Do not be distracted, keep your eyes on what BU is about.

  • mash up & buy back // August 31, 2009 at 7:00 AM

    Ebenezer

    I suppose I have to spell it out for you.

    I have no time for you and your team at BFP AND THE keltruth blog.

    Obviously you think that massa day ain’t done yet so you believe you can dictate to me go and copy and paste;and then return 4 hours later and tell me you have not done what I told you 4 hour ago.

    Carry yuh arse do.

    You were able to find the remarks I mentioned re chris halsall posts so it is strange you can’t find the other one.

    There are a little clique of you there at BFP,namely pied piper who I suspect might be you and part of the keltruth blog,as well as the bowman-mongoose character and one reality check and a few others.

    I don’t know if you are all white ,but I suspect most of you are white with a sprinkle of indian and browners and you think somehow that once you say :jump,then the respondent must only ask – how high.

    You and your team at BFP went on a nasty tirade about integrity legislation and thompson eating at the trough a couple of weeks into the man term of office.

    Why – because he did not have that legislation in the time frame you think suitable.

    I wonder why the arse you and your people can’t keep away from posting on BU – because we know yuh here reading it every day.

    Every day as shite yuh cussing BU yet when you want to increase yuh hitsyuh put up a post about BU or on rhianna.
    Yuh can’t do without we black people huh?

    Look carry yuh white arse do,and dont come here demanding nothing from me.

    I made a statement here on BU and you can choose to do what you will of it.

    Now be off!

  • Adrian Hinds // August 31, 2009 at 7:49 AM

    MUABB
    Man I call you to talk bout that Advocate article about Yellow journalism, not to respond to idiots and jokers. You ain see they have been callig my name and I refuse to respond to them? lol!

    Anyway I was posting over at BFP last night as PeePeePoo, and this following would have been my last comment.

    Thanks J I made a mistake.

    Anthony Bryan owner/publisher of the Barbados Advocate newspaper is not a white man. Thank god for that.

    White trash as a racist epithet is laughed at and mocked by the same group of persons whom it describes.

    White trash is an American English pejorative term referring to individual or groups of lower social class Caucasian people that the speaker considers to lack social status. It is most frequently used as a slur to describe financially, economically or culturally disadvantaged Caucasians. It may also be used self-referentially by white North Americans with higher socio-economic status to jokingly describe limitations they sense in their culture[citation needed] and may also be used as a within-group expression among disadvantaged white Americans to express solidarity. “White trash” should be differentiated from the term redneck, as each has a unique historical etymology and context in modern usage with the latter generally a bit more socially acceptable.

    History
    The term white trash originated in the Baltimore and Washington, DC area during the 1820s post-revolutionary war reconstruction boom. During that period, many poor people migrated to the area, and white and black semi-skilled workers were competing for the same jobs, resources and marriage partners.[1] The term white trash first came into common use in the 1830s as a pejorative used by upper-class United States southerners of all races against financially disadvantaged caucasians.[citation needed] It was synonymous with the slurs sand hiller, “sandlapper”, and clay eater. The last term was because Upper-class Southerners assumed poor white farmers farmed ineptly on poor land, and consequently had nothing to eat but clay.[citation needed]

    In 1854 Harriet Beecher Stowe wrote the chapter “Poor White Trash” in her book A Key to Uncle Tom’s Cabin. Stowe tells the reader that slavery not only produces “degraded, miserable slaves”, but also poor whites who are even more degraded and miserable. The plantation system forced those whites to struggle for subsistence. Beyond economic factors, Stowe traces this class to the shortage of schools and churches in their community, and says that both blacks and whites in the area look down on these “poor white trash”.[1]

    I don’t agree with Negroman for his characterization. I believe since the dead cannot defend themselves that I should not attack them. But for a bunch Canadians, white and half white bajans an others to call a bajan blackman a racist for calling someone white trash, on an American registered medium is laughable.

    The term white trash is a celebrated label as a simple google would reveal.

    BTW:
    All of Last week BFP has eighth of the ten bajan websites whose popularity I check daily. It has been in that position for nearly a month straight. It will be difficult to dislodge ion barbados and breadfruitlime from their 9th and 10th postion, but I am encouraged by BFP’s march to oblivion. However I expect a brief respite from their backward sojourn if past best practices of linking and or mentioning BU in current article is anything to go by.

  • J // August 31, 2009 at 8:06 AM

    Adrian Hinds wrote “but I am encouraged by BFP’s march to oblivion.”

    I don’t normally agree with anything Adrian says but the phrase above is a sweet use of the English language.

  • mash up & buy back // August 31, 2009 at 8:07 AM

    Adrian

    Sorry did not respond earlier to you.

    I will not be acknowledging any more of these Jerks comments directed to me.

    Re the Advocate’s piece on yellow journalism yesterday,I looked at the article briefly but did not read the whole thing.

    The reason being that while I agree what some of what I read,I believe that the Advocate’s owner Anthony Bryan has lost some credibilty because there was no space put between his shifting of allegiance from the BLP to the new party in power – the DLP.

    During the reign of the BLP that man and his newspaper was a rabid,flag flying member of the BLP and all its editorials were strictly along party lines – ie the BLP party.

    However,I must tell you that I believe the Advocate is a better newspaper than the Nation.

    Plain and simple.

  • Anonymous // August 31, 2009 at 8:21 AM

    Adrian Hinds

    How does one ascertain the popularity of Bajan websites? Is there a tracking service (like Billboard for popular music)? What is the no1 Bajan website in terms of popularity and how was this measured?

    (Just for the record, these are sincere questions and NOT insinuations of error on your part.)

  • mash up & buy back // August 31, 2009 at 8:34 AM

    Re the original discussion about the internet and threats of law suits;I heard a discussion this morning on one of the U.S. cable network talking about craig list and the number of persons harmed by it.

    One of the points made by the guest was that 40 attorney generals from the different states have been checking out how to deal with the internet re law suits,but the conclusion is that internet sites cannot be sued because of actions of a third party.

    David,any comment?
    I suppose we should let those guys at the IMF head office know this huh?

  • Adrian Hinds // August 31, 2009 at 8:47 AM

    J // August 31, 2009 at 8:06 AM

    Adrian Hinds wrote “but I am encouraged by BFP’s march to oblivion.”

    I don’t normally agree with anything Adrian says but the phrase above is a sweet use of the English language.
    ————————————————-

    J wuh um is you agreeing with me for? I don’t recall making a case for the “sweet use of the English Language”.

    I made the point that BFP is going nowhere real fast.

  • J // August 31, 2009 at 8:57 AM

    wha’ happen?

    You can’t take a compliment?

    If ya [language] sweet, ya sweet.

  • Adrian Hinds // August 31, 2009 at 9:17 AM

    I am, with good reason suspicious of anything you have to offer. lol!

  • Bonny Peppa // August 31, 2009 at 2:50 PM

    Pat,
    Girl, i now trying to catch up on tings. My bajan-men in dickless. Jus dat dese wikkin bitches wunt leh a man get piece a pussee in peace. I love my men bad an i would nevva trade my wood fa a ‘rub’. All dat rubbin mussy is got dem pubic hairs smell smokey a nuff.
    Rub a dub dub all dese wikkas in one tub.
    Wuhlosssssssssssssssssss

  • Carson C. Cadogan // August 31, 2009 at 4:07 PM

    The white boys over at Barbados Free Press have launched a full fledge attack by Land, Air and sea on Barbados Underground.

    They are trying very hard to remain relevant.

  • Christopher Halsall // August 31, 2009 at 4:22 PM

    @CCC…

    Meanwhile, according to alexa.com, their traffic has dropped 53% in the last three months…

    Even with all their Rihanna coverage…

    LOL….

  • Enuff // August 31, 2009 at 4:41 PM

    Bonny Peppa is so crass…….vomitous!!!

  • Anonymous // August 31, 2009 at 4:48 PM

    Good to hear that BFP is being put in it’s place. I stopped visiting them and that attention-seeking jackass Ian Bourne’s blog too. Hit them where it hurts most … on the ego! Press on BU. I dont agree with everything you say/do, but at least the articles here have more substance and seem more aimed at bettering Barbados compared to BFP’s self-indulgent drivel. Press on… (but do trod carefully.)

  • PricklyPear // August 31, 2009 at 5:03 PM

    Bonny Peppa, if you were my mother or grannie, I would be too ashame to walk de gap. Your mouth like an open sewer. It disgustin to see a woman talk so.

  • Adrian Hinds // August 31, 2009 at 5:11 PM

    CCC
    They are some bitter and angry people over at BFP. The land of oblivion to which they steadily march is within sight I believe.

    Can you imagine the stink they are raising over the term white trash? While they are fond of calling us sub-literate, and sub-human?
    Sub-Human:
    I am not going to get into the topic of Albinism, and genetic recessive traits nor am I going to remind them that People of Colour (black, brown, so called red, and yellow) are the majority of this worlds poputlation and they are not. Maybe this is the reason for their approach to stamp everyone and everything as racist and to raise such a stink and raucus over petty stuff. Maybe they have truly bought into the nonsense about their superiority.

  • Ebenezer // August 31, 2009 at 6:27 PM

    Just for the record, you believe that referring to a woman who was brutally murdered while taking a stroll on a beach in Barbados and then repeatedly called “white trash” on this blog, petty stuff? Just for the record.

  • Inkwell // August 31, 2009 at 6:39 PM

    David,

    I support your ideals of free speech, where you allow posters to express their opinions, even if they are not in accord with your own views. Further I respect the steadfastness with which you stand by those ideals, even to the extent of allowing racist and other socially unacceptable posts to remain uncensored.

    However even for the most liberal, there is a limit. Free speech cannot in civilized society be extended to encompass the foul mouthings of poster Bonny Peppa, who exhibits nothing but the lowest of class and intelligence. This person (and I cannot think that it is female, for no female would do so much to constantly demean her gender… I am convinced it is a male) demeans your blog and makes it extremely difficult for civilized readers to participate in any discussion which is so polluted with filth.

    You need to do something about it, else that level of comment will come to exemplify Barbados Underground and destroy all the good work that you are doing, (if it has not already done so). I would not consider a ban on this person as a departure from your principles of free speech. A standard of decency needs to be upheld.

  • David // August 31, 2009 at 7:31 PM

    @Inkwell

    Thanks for your feedback. We see some tension developing between those who want a serious talk forum only and the other faction who switches between serious and a rum shop style. We will assess as we go along. The BU family has shown itself to be fairly intelligent on making adjustments. Again thanks for your feedback. Bonny it seems you a lil hot for some people to digest!

  • Adrian Hinds // August 31, 2009 at 7:42 PM

    Just for the record

    “White Trash” is a poorly fitted define to anyone of Jewish ethnicity. To do so demonstrates the ignorance of it’s author. To raise a red flag of definite racism for its use in this manner shows double the ignorance. Petty and plenty ignorant.

  • Carson C. Cadogan // August 31, 2009 at 8:30 PM

    INKHELL

    You do men a great disservice.

    I take issue with your submission. Why on Earth do you think that all men are out to do is demean women?

    “(and I cannot think that it is female, for no female would do so much to constantly demean her gender… I am convinced it is a male)”

    What kind of idiot are you? I can’t believe that you are a man!

  • Adrian Hinds // August 31, 2009 at 8:42 PM

    David there is a reason that the nation news keeps the two gossip columns, and have Hoad, Mavis, BC pires et all as contributors. Some persons may need to lighten up more than BU needs to tighten up. Prohibition serves no useful purpose, other than to cater to the intolerant sensibilities of a few. It also prolongs arrival at a time when we all, through the continual practice of exercising freedom of thought and expression would have develop and can use these rights more often than is current, for meaningful and productive purposes. I see it as a work in progress. We once had dirt tracks, cart roads, marl roads and now paved highways. Progress can never occur from censor.

  • Adrian Hinds // August 31, 2009 at 8:48 PM

    @CCC
    I cannot recall reading a recent contribution from Inkwell, have you?

  • Adrian Hinds // August 31, 2009 at 9:30 PM

    Last night I presented an argument on BFP that required owner publisher of the Barbados Advocate to be a white man. It was corrected and laugh at. Anthony Bryant is a black man.

    Negroman referred to a White Canadian lady of Jewish ethnicity as “White Trash “. In North America and particularly in America where the term was coined and is still used today, it is not used to describe Jewish persons. There are other pejorative terms use to describe them. This should have been laughed out of the blog, as it is plain to see that Negroman in Barbados was not aware of the intended use of the word.
    Which is more degrading, to be called “white trash” (a some what celebrated label) being of Jewish ethnicity, or to be called sub-literate and sub-human, no matter your ethnicity?

  • Ebenezer // August 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM

    So now you are taking upon yourself to know what goes through Negroman’s head? My you are talented. Has it occurred to you that Negroman was not even aware of the fact that Mrs. Schwarzfeld was of the Jewish faith? I seem to recall at the time he made some disparaging remark about Germans and nasty stinking half-human Europeans. I am quite confident that had Negroman been aware that Mrs. Schwarzfeld was of the Jewish faith, he would have launched a tirade against Jews in general and found the right and more suitable (in his mind), derogatory term to add to “white trash”. Have you become the self-appointed spokesperson for Negroman?

  • Bush Tea // August 31, 2009 at 10:21 PM

    Obviously, there are at least two completely different and separate groups of Bajans who have no idea about each other.
    This is, in fact, the genesis of BFP’s bitching about BU.

    Bush Tea finds it amazing, but not surprising, that some of us fail to grasp the innate wisdom in the contribution of posters like Negroman, Bonny P etc.

    I look forward to the pearls of poetry from Gear Box; the ‘in your face’ confidence of Adrian Hinds and the solid steadiness of the Scout and CCC.

    The fact that some of us get hung up on the correctness of language, the need to be polite, and to be careful not to offend our rich and ‘holy’ benefactors (mostly white of course) only betray those persons total ignorance of the typical Bajan… Life is not only about making money and owning things…

    David chose to name this blog ‘Barbados Underground’, he has created a forum where bajans feel free to be ‘bajans’.
    We know only too well that many people do not like the way we are…and so, in the workplace, on TV, at wanna cocktail parties, etc, we try to play the game….

    The problem seems to be that ‘the other side’ has never taken the trouble to understand the typical Bajan – and actually (genuinely) believe that their way is THE way.
    They actually recoil in shock to any suggestion that they are not seen as godlike gifts to our world….so any criticism of them must be ….racism.

    This is why these people may think that Negroman is racist or that Bonny P is crude…

    Negroman reminds the bushman of what Bussa must have been like…and Bonny P reminds of my defiant grand mother who, though poor and scrunting, was proud as hell and gave way to no one…

    David, you see why I admire Lowdown? here is a white Bajan why actually understands both sides – and whose life choices clearly speak to his respect for the things that truly make this island special….

    It is therefore pointless responding to BFP, entertaining the ignorant (like LIB) or cussing those who may fail to appreciate the value of the various BU family members….they know not that they know not…

    Just now, as the world’s financial systems collapse and the monies and ‘things’ disappear, we will see what values stand out in this little country….

  • Christopher Halsall // August 31, 2009 at 10:29 PM

    @Bush Tea, et al…

    With respect…

    Mr. Bowman AKA LIB has just let loose again… So much for meditation…

    Are having fun, yet?

  • Christopher Halsall // August 31, 2009 at 10:32 PM

    Sigh…

    In the Geek, “s/Are having fun, yet/Are we having fun, yet/”

  • Adrian Hinds // August 31, 2009 at 10:54 PM

    Hey Chris where is your proof tha Jack Bowman is LIB.

  • Investigator // August 31, 2009 at 11:00 PM

    BFP should be tried for treason.

    Their goal is to ruin Barbados.

    BFP poses a security threat to Barbados democracy and social order as does the narco states of Guyana and St. Vincent.

    Jagdeo and wutless, rape suspect Gonzalves, big guts and all, hate Barbados.

    They are working together to wreck our way of life.

    We must not let that happen.

  • anonlegal // August 31, 2009 at 11:03 PM

    Chris, out of curiosity, why do you keep insisting that Jack Bowman and LIB are the same person? I don’t know LIB but he seems too mature of a person to post under random anonymous names just for a laugh.

  • Georgie Porgie // August 31, 2009 at 11:06 PM

    Good post by Bush Tea at August 31, 2009 at 10:21 PM

  • Jack Bowman // August 31, 2009 at 11:17 PM

    Mr. Halsall says: “Mr. Bowman AKA LIB has just let loose again… So much for meditation… Sigh”.

    You do sigh a lot, Mr. Halsall.

    First, it might serve your purpose to pretend that I am Mr. “LIB”, but I am not. Sorry about that.

    Second, you seem to have confused me with someone who actually gives a shit about what Mr. ROK can trace to which building with your help in order to GET ME. Sorry about that, too.

    Best wishes to you.

    PS. I know: “your post [on BU] is awaiting moderation.” Nice.

  • robin hood // August 31, 2009 at 11:49 PM

    @ David et al
    As I ponder on all that has been said over the last few days on this forum, my questioning faculties have been aroused. And, if it would not seem presumptuous, I would like to pose one or two queries to all concerned.
    What is the object of this seemingly racial debate?

    Are we trying to resolve real or perceived differences?

    If so, do we really need to have some of the hotheaded statements that we have seen here?

    Can’t we have a level headed discussion without all the vitriol and/or inuendo and/or personal attacks?

    Is it really only as Bush Tea says, quote…….”The problem seems to be that ‘the other side’ has never taken the trouble to understand the typical Bajan – and actually (genuinely) believe that their way is THE way.”?

    Is there no relevance for any other skin complexion other than “black” in Barbados today?

    Is it now to be a matter of “open season” on all lighter complexioned people in Barbados?

    Are all people of lighter complexion left to wonder when or where they can be physically attacked just because of being of lighter hue or have straighter hair than the next person?

    Like I said I am just curious to where this is all heading. At the end of it all, are we going to be more harmonious or are we going to be more suspicious of each other? Like I said before, we all have to interact with each other in the limited confines of 166 sq. miles.

    Finally, is it that I am missing the complete point of the debate?

  • Inkwell // September 1, 2009 at 12:22 AM

    ‘The problem seems to be that ‘the other side’ has never taken the trouble to understand the typical Bajan – and actually (genuinely) believe that their way is THE way.
    They actually recoil in shock to any suggestion that they are not seen as godlike gifts to our world….so any criticism of them must be ….racism.

    This is why these people may think that Negroman is racist or that Bonny P is crude…”

    Rarely have I heard such rubbish from a supposedly intelligent person, apparently seeking to defend the indefensible. There is no way to philosophize what is now Negroman. He is, by any definition, a racist, rabid sometimes to the point of incoherence. But, hey, he is what he is.

    The difficulty he poses is that in the absence of a disclaimer from the blog administrator, his racist excretions appear to the casual or occasional reader to be the views of the blog. Where’s the “value” in that?

    Worse yet is the attempt to rationalize and excuse the totally unnecessary filthy language posted by Bonny Peppa, language that contributes nothing to the subject under discussion, but demeans the blog and those associated with it. Where’s the “value” in that?

    And I am not “the other side”. I am a typical Bajan, possessed of what ought to be a typical Bajan’s sense of decency and an inborn objection to being talked down to.

  • Bimbro // September 1, 2009 at 2:26 AM

    Bonny can write beautifully, when she wants to. Why don’t u simply ask her to!!

  • Bimbro // September 1, 2009 at 2:39 AM

    Not everybody has to be boring!! Bonny is a sexual person who enjoys her sex and does n’t conceal her emotions – and, thank god we’re not all lesbians or homos!! Just ask her to modify it a bit, if her language is slightly, too strong for you!! Up to now I’m still wondering what a ‘wood’ is!!

    Bonny?!!

    Laaaaaaaaaddddddddddddddd!! :)

    On second thoughts, maybe u should n’t tell me, Bon!! :)

  • Bimbro // September 1, 2009 at 2:41 AM

    I doan like dis returnee ting, at all!!

  • Bimbro // September 1, 2009 at 2:42 AM

    David, is it possible for our posts to bear a signature!! Mine would read!!

    ‘I in nuh returnee’!! Does dat song fair tuh u?!!

  • Bimbro // September 1, 2009 at 3:11 AM

    De big shot laf, ha! ha! ha!
    De ‘lil shot laf, he! he! he!
    But when yuh hear d woman laf
    Den yuh know she from d ordinary class

    Yuh know she say;
    Wha, muh belly!!!!

    Yuh doan remember dat one, do u!!

    Lord!!

  • Bimbro // September 1, 2009 at 3:12 AM

    Memries uh my days in Bim!!

    Whaloss!!

  • Anon // September 1, 2009 at 3:30 AM

    Bimbro // September 1, 2009 at 3:11 AM

    Yes, I do. Mighty Charmer. About 1958 or 1959, I think. Man, yuh showin yuh age.

  • Using a friend's pc. // September 1, 2009 at 4:52 AM

    Why are these BFP lackeys still here trying to control BU??

    If you dont like what is said on this blog, just dont come, plain and simple.

    I was just on YouTube and when I read the degrading posts on Usain Bolt, I had to laugh. As I said before these other blogs on the internet makes BU look like Sunday school.
    This shite about the tourist not coming is just a bunch of bull. So what if they stop? We will have back the Babados of old, where simplicity was the norm. This would kill a lot of the pretenders…good.
    We had a white Manager kick a black worker but where was the outcry then?
    Drunken white man killed a black lady one morning while she was out walking and said he thought he had hit a cow and kept on driving….where was the out cry?
    Drunken white man kills woman on Springarden Highway, still in Mojo’s and Harbour Lights getting drunk every weekend…no out cry….and yet still we are racist. Maybe we should have lynched these people, then the label would suit.
    Why dont BFP and their apologists deal with these stories first, rather than try to discredit BU because of Negroman’s comments…..why?…….I bet my pension that the ones making the most noise are WHITE. The thought of a Black man speaking his mind seems too uppity for them.

    PS… I challenge anyone to state their ethnicity with their post…I am black.

  • Bimbro // September 1, 2009 at 5:20 AM

    But yuh know wha?!! Someting jus occur tuh me!! Is it only the Brit, ex-patriates who’re described as Returnees or, d American ones too! ’cause, if it’s only d Brits, den, dah in fair an I gun write to Thompy!!

    Wha e emial?!!

    Anon, wunna can jus keep guessing!!

    Laaaaadddddddddddddd!!

  • Bimbro // September 1, 2009 at 5:40 AM

    Hole-e Joe, Hole-e Joe, Hole-e Joe and doan let Im go!
    Hole-e Joe, Hoe-e Jo, Hole-e Jo an doan let Im go, d donkey want water!!

    Coconut,
    It good for yuh daughter,
    Coconut, Mek she strong like a lion,
    Coconut, keep she gine like a dian!!

    Laaaaaaaadddddddddddd!!

    Why dese ole songs coming back to me again dis mornin I doan know but d teasing I get from my schoolmates ova hay, for mekking d mistake uh singing dum hay, mek me fuhget dum fuh a long time!! an duh only now rising to d surface again!!

    Laaaaaaaadddddddddddddd!!

  • Bimbro // September 1, 2009 at 5:54 AM

    I agree with u about BFP. I used to b a fervent admirer of theirs (and still am in a way) however, I do feel they’re getting carried-away with their very, holier-than-thou attitude and belief in sheer decency, which, of course, we, as blacks, ‘could n’t possibly hope to emulate’!! Listen, BFP, you’re taking your sanctimoniousness too far!! We’re just as interested in decency as you are but people require an outlet for their feelings, if they’re not to become violent and, if you can’t see that, then ****-you!!

  • Bimbro // September 1, 2009 at 6:02 AM

    Furthermore, Barbadians will never be truly free, in their own country, if they’re unable to express their opinions, freely!! Is that not what you desire?!!

  • Rumplestilskin // September 1, 2009 at 6:31 AM

    Bimbro lad,

    Old adage, ‘with freedom comes responsibility’.

    But, if you all are amenable, then let the Government remove all libel laws.

    That should be entertaining.

    Should also result in much strife, when tongues are fully unleashed.

    I wonder what we will say about certain expenditures, relationships etc then.

    Another true saying ‘be careful what you wish for’.

    Peace

  • Veritas // September 1, 2009 at 7:37 AM

    Guys, BFP was unmasked recently.

    Owner/Financier: Peter Allard – ruthless, silly, childish Play-Station addict, gay and millionaire foreigner.

    Writer: Desmond Bourne :”Sultan of Smut” et al.

    That combination, in my experience, would be formidable anywhere – even in hell.

    Purpose: to get GOB to give them all the land around Greame Hall Sanctuary and to destroy or tarnish any Barbadian government and Opposition that doesn’t play ball.

  • Ebenezer // September 1, 2009 at 8:06 AM

    Veritas, where in your above post, is the connection to BFP? I do not see one single thng that connects BFP to Peter Allard. Is this just another one of those unsubstantiated allegations?

  • J // September 1, 2009 at 9:09 AM

    Veritas wrote on // September 1, 2009 at 7:37 AM…Guys, BFP was unmasked recently…Owner/Financier: Peter Allard – ruthless, silly, childish Play-Station addict, gay and millionaire foreigner…Writer: Desmond Bourne :”Sultan of Smut” et al.

    Wait!!!!! Allard is a buller??

    Desmond is one too???

  • Checkit-out // September 1, 2009 at 9:13 AM

    Veritas

    Interesting! But please give us the sources. Sounds like some more misinformation.

    I would have guessed that the BFP principals were not Bajans and had an agenda to show up Barbados in the worse possible light.

    However, if your info is true it would explain some of the anti-patriotic, holier than thou, posts that often appear on BFP.

  • Ebenezer // September 1, 2009 at 9:43 AM

    Since when is criticizing a government, any government, considered “unpatriotic”? Some of you seem not to understand the full meaning of the word “democracy”. It is only in communist countries, dictatorships or governments overthrown by a military coup where you are not allowed to openly criticize government. I see this type of thinking as being symptomatic of people who are truly like sheep.

  • Negroman // September 1, 2009 at 11:33 AM

    It is amazing the white scoundrels of this world especially the white clowns running Barbados Free Press are accusing members of this blog & Your Truly Negroman being racist.

    The white folks at Barbados Free Press let us discuss racism.in Barbados.
    The Barbados Yacht Club was an all-white club with membership restricted to whites only and it is still in existence today.Black Barbadians cannot become members of that club freely.Isn’t that racism?
    The Harbour Lights Night Club restricts entry of Black People to that night club and it is the club that the vast majority of local white people go to socialize.Frivolous excuses are used to limit or deny entry to Black People.Isn’t that racism?
    Every night club that local white people in Barbados patronized and Blacks started to attend, those clubs the local whites stop attending and inevitably those clubs close down.The Banana Boat in Maxwell,Caribbean Pepperpot in St Lawrence,Taps on the Bay in St Lawrence Gap,The Carlisle Club in Bay Street and the Wharehouse in Cavan Lane are examples.Isn’t that racism?
    The Blue Box Cart band mandated the National Cultural Foundation that if the Foundation wants it’s participation in Kadooment it must be given the first position in the line up of band to parade.The reason for that is the desire to get to Spring Garden first and not to get caught up with the local Black Barbadian population.After all it’s years in existence the same Blue Box cart Band is still an all white band.Isn’t that racism?

    The White scums over at Barbados Free Press are in no position to label me or any Black person of this world racist.The European white rapists,killers,thieves and degenerates conceptualized and institutionalized and benefited from the belief that other ethnic groups of this world were inferior to them as a result of their skin,colour and physical features.I want to see the benefits Black people of this world got from the idea that we were superior to other races.It is laughable those white asses at Barbados Free Press could be so stupid to label us at Barbados Underground racist.

    I make no apologies for calling that murdered white Canadian tourist the term I used and I have no fear for anyone.Barbados Free Press could published my comments for the whole world to see.I DO NOT CARE.
    Where was the sympathy for the little Black boy that was beaten brutally by the white man Mr Goodridge and his son a few years ago at Barclays Park in Collymore Rock.Where was the condemnation from the local whites in Barbados?Millions of Black Africans were murdered by the murderous Europeans.Where is the sympathy for those unfortunate victims?During the same slave trade as a form of punishment slaves were tied to two horses their right hand & right foot to one horse & their left hand & left foot to the other horse and ripped apart.Where is the sympathy?Pregnant slaves were stabbed in their bellies and the unborn babies ripped from their wombs as a form of punishment and that method was used to intimidate the slaves Where is the sympathy?The game of Polo came about as a form of punishment also .Slaves were buried in holes with only their heads exposed and the European slave owners & killers got up on their horses with their clubs and proceeded to ride their horses and hit the buried slaves on their heads until their heads came off.Where is the sympathy?
    In Russia Black People are being subjected to the worst possible treatment.As reported the Blacks in Russia are afraid to use the public transportation,do not attend social activities and do not venture outdoors after night fall because of attacks carried out on them by racist white Russians.Where is the sympathy?
    In America a Black man was beaten unmercifully by white racist cops and a police baton was pushed up his anus.Where is the sympathy ?

    We have to be brutally frank about the atrocities the murderous,lazy,thieving Europeans perpetrated on the African Blacks.I will not be like the token Blacks and pretend that what transpired during slavery never occurred.Europeans must be held responsible for all the atrocities of this world and redress must be made.Reparations is a must and until the Europeans acknowledged their wrongdoings and compensate us this Negroman will never forgive them.I have no sympathy for any European life and the death of John Stanley Goddard is one less white Barbadian that Black People have to worry about in Barbados

  • robin hood // September 1, 2009 at 12:06 PM

    @Negroman // September 1, 2009 at 11:33 AM

    Now, after having said all that, do you feel that you a better, bigger man? Just what did you achieve or hoped to achieve?

    Is Barbados now any safer for your children/grandchildren?

    Are you any richer? Are you now able to sleep better at night? Have you been given more food, a bigger, better house? Are you now driving around in a limosine?

    I am asking these questions because I cannot see what was the purpose of such rabid outbursts.

    This is exactly why the whole world is in the turmoil that it is in at the moment.
    Because very few people are prepared to sit and discuss with each other and find some common ground on which to stand.

    The same situation is happening all around the world, eg Ireland, Bosnia, Middle East, Indonesia and lots of other places. Simply because of man’s injustice to man.

    Mankind simply refuses to learn from history and that is why history keeps repeating itself!

    But I am sure mine is just another voice in the wilderness. So be it!

  • Anonymous // September 1, 2009 at 12:35 PM

    @ Robin Hood

    Handle the harsh realities we will not forget!

  • Anonymous // September 1, 2009 at 12:38 PM

    @ Robin Hood

    Are you any richer? Are you now able to sleep better at night? Have you been given more food, a bigger, better house? Are you now driving around in a limosine?

    ___________________________

    You see why that we black people always feel insulted when you people open your mouths!

  • Bonny Peppa // September 1, 2009 at 1:24 PM

    David et al
    My humblest apologies to those I have offended with my ‘words’. It was never my intentions to do so. I would hate for BU to lose its popularity because of an ‘insignificant’ blogger such as I. My sole intentions were just to add a little spice to the blog and have a laugh. In so doing, I have offended some and again, my apologies to you and them.
    Bonny will make her exit from BU at this point.
    Thanks to those whom I entertained with my ‘tongue’ and my apologies to those I’ve offended.

    LONG LIVE BU.

    Vaya con Dios.

  • Man in the Moon // September 1, 2009 at 1:29 PM

    Keep it up Negroman. Your ranting lets me know that you are powerless, incompetent and impotent to do anything other than complain about your lot in life. You clearly spend your time observing the behaviour and accomplishments of non-African races and you are in dismay of the hapless state of your own. However what I really sense is fear in your words, the fear of always being the last in line and of losing even the meager capital that you have to other races who really couldn’t care less about you. You are most appropriately named – Negroman – a man of no place, no culture, no history other than as the pathetic servant (or chattel) of others begging for attention, begging for life, begging for respect that you know you can never earn far less demand. That others on this blog can hold you up as a source of truth and wisdom can only be a comfort to those who have only ill will to Black Barbadians.

  • Jack Bowman // September 1, 2009 at 1:37 PM

    Dear Mr. Man in the Moon,

    Mr. Negroman’s comments are certainly repellant and indisputably racist, and they are to be condemned in the strongest terms (indeed, they are to be pursued). But you are WAY out of line here, sir.

    Good afternoon to you.

  • Checkit-out // September 1, 2009 at 2:56 PM

    Negroman

    I think you have demonstrated by your examples the racist past and present of Barbados. Those who seek to deny the examples are probably racists themselves. There are a variety of reactions to such racism. Yours is an outlier on a continuum from extreme to pure passivity. All reactions are important and I think the debate should continue with all views ventilated.

    Man in the Moon; Your contribution above suggests that you have serious ill-will to Black Barbadians. One sentence from your contribution is sufficient to demonstrate that. “Negroman – a man of no place, no culture, no history other than as the pathetic servant (or chattel) of others begging for attention, begging for life, begging for respect that you know you can never earn far less demand.”

  • Man in the Moon // September 1, 2009 at 3:18 PM

    Checkit-0ut
    what is a “negroman”? Who is he, where does he come from, where is he going?

    I know about Akan people, Yoruba people, Ashanti people, Zulu people, Matabele people,Malinke people, Mali people and many, many more each with a history, a language, scientific knowledge, fine arts (music, sculpture, painting), laws and philosophy, an economy etc but a negroman; who is that but a derisive, European caricature of Africans!!!

    Why do Americans of African descent insist that they be called African- Americans and not Negroes or coloured? Think for a change.

  • JC // September 1, 2009 at 3:25 PM

    Bonny Peppa // September 1, 2009 at 1:24 PM

    ___________________________

    Where the hell you gine! Before BU had gained so much popularity you were there and we felt your pain when you were feeling pain!

    Bonny show some some balls LOl do not allow persons who have just entered the blog change you! You belong and were always welcomed!

    Long live Bonny Peppa!
    muahhhhhhhhh and smooches

    Come back Home!

  • Checkit-out // September 1, 2009 at 3:49 PM

    Hi Man in the Moon

    Point taken. However, my point is that Your post excludes all that negroman has written that is true and zeroes in on his somewhat extreme views and reactions.

    Of course the handle “negroman” connotes an 18th century black serf and not a proud 20th century afro-american type but your knowledge of the names of a variety of tribes in Africa does not make up for your attempt to denigrate a black man who has taken on a handle of “negroman” instead of trying to pass on your likely, university knowledge of Africa and racism in these parts.

    Indeed, your response to negroman is typical of the 21st century blacks in the States who think that Obama has banished racism against blacks there and were horrified at Skip Gates treatment in his house by policemen.

    I thought you were a white Bajan. I now stand corrected. Come down from the moon and join the debate and allow us to benefit from your wisdom.

  • mash up & buy back // September 1, 2009 at 3:58 PM

    Bonny

    Don’t let me hear no crap about you leaving BU.

    For what,some sour arse poor great creepers who coming over here from BFP and their BLP bee hives and trying to dictate to we the regulars.

    If there is one gripe I have with David,it is that he seems to bow and give too much respect to those who sound ‘like Big -ups or professional’.

    People like Themis,the said Inkwell who I remember posting a lot of partisan crap some time ago,Living In Barbados,Anon legal and the lot.

    I would not have even acknowledged Inkwell with any response,because he is not here contributing in any constructive way and trying to build this blog.

    I defend David as you well know to the hilt,but I believe it is this reverence that we have as bajans for ‘professionals’ and that he sometimes displays,that gave LIB so much rope to run with.

    We all warned him about LIB,yet he continued to validate his nonesense with responses (by david that is),and follow-ups.

    Any way you would have done BFP and jack bowman and their crew a great service if you drop out of this family.

    Remember David actually ASKED me to APOLOGISE to LIB,that obnoxious person and I didn’t.

    David did not defend me as I do him,but that’s all right,because,guess what,that’s what happens with families.

    So let me not hear anything more about you leavingBU,o.k.?

  • Bimbro // September 1, 2009 at 4:34 PM

    Rump, your only fear is fear itself. Nothing untoward will happen in Bim by just allowing the people to voice their opinions!!

  • robin hood // September 1, 2009 at 4:43 PM

    @ Man In The Moon
    Your comments leave a lot to be desired.
    Two wrongs never made a right! Maybe it would have been better if you had stayed just where you were, as the man in the moon!
    We could certainly do without such vile statements in answer to negroman’s comments.

  • Bimbro // September 1, 2009 at 4:46 PM

    Negroman, do I need to remind u what I told u about the whites, just the other day and who you owe your life to more, whether they or us!! If I need to then please tell me and I will!

  • Bimbro // September 1, 2009 at 4:50 PM

    Robin Hood, stop being so bloody afraid! Now is n’t the time for cowardice but for standing up for our rights (of freedom of speech), before we lose them altogether!!

  • mash up & buy back // September 1, 2009 at 4:51 PM

    David

    My post to Bonny got lost.Please check.

  • Bimbro // September 1, 2009 at 4:55 PM

    Bonny, come back hay babe! We’d miss u too much!! Just modify it, a bit!!

  • Adrian Hinds // September 1, 2009 at 5:01 PM

    Bonny Peppa please do not pay that joker INKWELL any attention. You are loved here at BU. I would hate to see you go OR CHANGE on the account of INKWELL. He isn’t around here to often and he is not missed. If Inkwell thinks that with you gone that he will have won, I will attempt to pick up your slack in response to every comment he makes. I cannot stand sanctimonious assholes. Probably the type to wear a three piece wool suite in the midday sun.

  • The Scout // September 1, 2009 at 5:08 PM

    Bonny Peppa
    Are you going on holiday somewhere where there is no internet? If not i expect to read your postings and blogs in the future. don’t let me have to come and put you over my lap and give yoiu a good whipping. Looking to hear from you soon.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 1, 2009 at 5:13 PM

    Is anyone willing to deny that BFP only speaks ill of Barbados as long as no whites are involved?

  • Christopher Halsall // September 1, 2009 at 5:15 PM

    @AH…

    I’m not.

    (LOL…)

  • Negroman // September 1, 2009 at 5:31 PM

    Bimbro
    I have no desire to respond to any of your postings because I recognized you swing like a pendulum.However,I must let you know I owed my life to my spiritual father and my biological parents and not to anybody else.I really do not want to tell you how I really feel about many of your postings.

    Man in the Moon I will not give an ass like you any justification for the name I chose.

    Man in the Moon I have stated many facts as Hants on Barbados Free Press indicated and you with your limited knowledge and your intellectually dishonest self has not sought to counter what I posted.I want you or anyone else to challenge my statements and bring proof that the statements I made are not factual.

    Man in the moon I am a man who could fight from the trenches and I am prepare to go toe to toe with a clown like you.

    The stinking,murderous,disease filled,semi-retarded,sub-human, lazy Europeans a people with out a spiritual base that is why they are melanin deficient will like us Blacks to believe that slavery never existed.It will not happen.African Black People of this world must be constantly be reminded of the savagery of slavery and must make sure that an event like that never repeats itself.

    Europeans are the destroyers of this world.Our Spiritual Father with his infinite wisdom could have done better by not producing the destructive & criminally insane wicked Europeans

  • Yardbroom // September 1, 2009 at 5:35 PM

    As a people we have often been told what to do, what to say and how we should behave, when to work and when to rest; we should ask ourselves whose interest is best served when we do the bidding of others.

    In every endeavour to achieve there must be some element of sacrifice; if it is that we are called names:

    such as “subhuman” which was done by Agenda for sure, on BFP August 31, 2009 at 7:48pm. We have suffered before…then so be it.

    Ps: Bonny Peppa stand your ground.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 1, 2009 at 5:40 PM

    @Robin Hood;
    You seem to be genuinely concern by Negromans comments to the point that it seems to me that you wonder how many more Black Barbadians think the way he does. The truth is likeley to be that they are as many whites who feel the same way as Negroman. Popular history is replete with whites working against the very systems to which Negroman points. Books were written by whites that tell the same exact story of white arrival in the “new world” the desease they brought, the germ warfare they use to anniliate entire people, the criminal taking of lands of native people under the pretence of doing Gods work in the name of the Queen and or King. One such book is “Stolen Continents” by British Canadian Ronald Wright. It is pure nonsense for BFP to attempt to single out one man for views shared by so many.
    I remain confident that if the reports of the Beating a black person that took in Highgate gardens at the hands of two white men did not riled up Barbadians, as I expected it would not, then you have nothing to fear in terms of violence from Negromans outspokeness. Still we have to talk about race, about all those things that Negroman mention that occurred in the Barbadian context.
    Slavery as we knew it was abolished in the west, it died off in the east, and until this day, the ideas that led to if the first place are still alive, as child labour, slavery and women and girls sex slavery still exist predominantly in the east.

    Does anyone recall the name Trevor Ouellette? what was this name link too? and was it discuss on BFP?

  • Negroman // September 1, 2009 at 5:45 PM

    Bonny Peppa my darling,my sweet heart my sugar plum where the hell a sweet little thing like you are going.My honey bunch you are going to allow a pompous,wannabee like Inkwell who should go and flood a cesspool with his tainted ink to run you from BU.
    Looka as Scout said come back here yuh hear and do not lem me cum and spank you also.

    Come back to BU all of us love you more than the fool Inkwell.who is carrying out the mandate of Barbados Free Press.

    Bonny Peppa Black People are a people of steel.We withstand four hundred of slavery and we will withstand the concerted attempt by the white scums at Barbados Free Press to close BU.

  • ROK // September 1, 2009 at 5:50 PM

    @Inkwell
    “This is exactly why the whole world is in the turmoil that it is in at the moment.”

    Who started it and put it there?

  • ROK // September 1, 2009 at 5:54 PM

    @Bonny Peppa

    I don’t believe that you will let them win. You letting him describe your behaviour. Let no man define your behaviour.

    What you use is what we call our colourful language. If it offensive to anybody, then nobody at BU is putting a gun to their heads to make them read. They can exit the page anytime.

    So listen to JC. Do not let them win.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 1, 2009 at 5:55 PM

    Christopher Halsall // September 1, 2009 at 5:15 PM

    @AH…

    I’m not.

    (LOL…)
    ————————————————–

    I have no problem being wrong, just prove it to be so, and I will be the first to change my views.

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  • Yardbroom // September 1, 2009 at 6:08 PM

    The Government of Barbados and its respective Ministers expressed regret for the death of the Canadian lady, who unfortunately lost her life in Barbados.

    Now we have a blog masquerading in the name of justice, in a villainous exercise against the good name of Barbados and its citizens, because of a few “selected”comments culled from Barbados Underground.

    Hitherto I have refrained from giving this lesson in “vindictiveness and spite” credence…but those who complain have come on the same blog of which they complain to contribute…how silly an exercise in duplicity.

  • Christopher Halsall // September 1, 2009 at 6:15 PM

    @AH…

    With respect…

    I’m agreeing with you in my above…

    Sorry — I enjoy the double negative “not not” (AKA “!!”) equals (AKA “==”) agreement…

    Sincerely…

    Sorry… I need to get out more….

  • Bonny Peppa // September 1, 2009 at 6:16 PM

    OK my peoples, I will be back but have decided to take a break for the time being.

    Can’t promise no ‘peppa’ but I’ll be back.

    Thanks for the ‘out-pourin’.

  • David // September 1, 2009 at 6:25 PM

    BU is not an academic forum. BU is about people, ALL people. We try to welcome all whether academic or non. The very action some would have asked us to take in the past goes against what BU stands for. In many ways the BU family is a microcosm of how we interact in Barbados. We must learn to tolerate what is different in all of us.

    Bonny injected a heavy dose of Barbadiana to proceedings, if she offended some then Bonny seems sensible enough to make adjustments based on any feedback.

    Bonny you are part of the family, enuff said!

  • J // September 1, 2009 at 6:31 PM

    Quoting Adrian Hinds “I cannot stand sanctimonious assholes. Probably the type to wear a three piece wool suit in the midday sun.”

    Well said (again)

  • Yardbroom // September 1, 2009 at 6:34 PM

    We have been subjected to a lot of sanctimonious waffle, if I do not like what is being posted on a blog, I simply do not go there…end of story.

    I have no “compulsion” or desire to bend it to my ideology or way of thinking…in essence I am mentally immune from it.

  • Bush Tea // September 1, 2009 at 7:36 PM

    What really is Racism?
    (Dedicated to Inkwell)

    One topic that is sure to generate significant comment on BU (and anywhere in Barbados) is racism. Unfortunately, like many other topics, few bother to agree on a common definition and therefore we get endless argument, with many different positions which are probably all logical – simply because most of us are arguing from completely different perspectives and using varying definitions.

    According to Wikipedia, Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or get preferential treatment, while Reverse discrimination favours members of a historically disadvantaged group at the expense of those of a historically advantaged group.

    If we accept this basic definition, we can now go on to evaluate the strength of the various positions held on BU.

    Now Negroman is known to use colorful adjectives to describe persons who, in his opinion, operate on the basis that their race gives them some right of inherent superiority over other (mainly the negro) races. Anyone who knows Bajans would KNOW that NM is in all probability the most humble and peaceful individual one could ever meet. Bush Tea would bet his (considerable) fortune that NM never hurt a fly in his life, never exploited another race, never started a war, never bribed a politician….

    Negroman is typical of most Blacks – characterized most outstandingly by another NM (Nelson Mandela) who was imprisoned for decades as a racist rebel who went around badmouthing whites. Mandela went on to become President of South Africa.
    Did NM extract vengeance for his 27 years of torment?
    Did NM vent his rage on the whites of South Africa?
    Can we then conclude that NM was a racist when he was ‘bad talking’ whites and even organizing the ANC?

    Conversely, even patriotic and genuine whites generally tend to be focused on accumulating huge fortunes. Even into old age, they seem driven to own more and more. COW was recently quoted as noting that ‘there are lots of waste land in Barbados that could be developed…’ which seemed to translate into a perceived opportunity for him to move even more earth to please…

    The history of the black man is one of suffering in dignity and of forgiveness and peaceful co-existence. Even Mugabe for decades patiently waited in vain on the whites of Zimbabwe to keep promises of equal treatment for the blacks of that country, before acting in frustration to force some kind of action.
    Has the united white response been forgiving and understanding of Mugabe’s dilemma?
    Has the united white response sought to be fair? Be reasonable? To establish ‘peace commissions’ ? …or are they focused on crying racism’ and seeking the total destruction of that black country? It must be their way – or WAR.
    Martin Luther King, EW Barrow, M Ghandi, My top man Wynter Crawford are all typical examples of non-whites who were labeled as racist at one time or another…

    A sad, but expected corollary of this situation, is the number of blacks who, having been brainwashed by the trappings of the kind of world that has been thrust upon us, are at the forefront in criticizing those others who point out the hypocritical actions of real racists. No doubt there are many of us who have adopted this ‘way which seems right in the sight of man – but which in the end leads to death and destruction…’

    The BFP situation is most interesting. From early days, this blog demonstrated a controlling, patronizing attitude that sends the message that;
    -We are in charge of things here.
    -We know what is right – so just fall in line and agree
    -We determine what is right and anything else is …racism/ stupid/ ignorant/wrong
    Their propensity to ban those who did not conform, insult those who do not comply and curse and threaten others (like BU who has never attacked them) is typical of the Racist regimes of the 1960’s USA and even more recent South African Apartheid rulers.

    It is written – You should judge a tree by its fruit.

    If racism is properly judged by the actions of those who are accused, then Bush Tea finds Negroman (and Nelson Mandela) to be completely innocent.

    By the same measure, when we analyze the root of most of our wars, suffering, disparities between the haves and have-nots, and the hate-mongering and strife currently displayed by BFP we should be easily able to see who the real racists are….

    The really sad aspect of the racism issue has always been the fact that the actual racist have ALWAYS been of the genuine belief that their actions were justified, correct and even inspired by God. That is the nature of true ignorance.

  • Inkwell // September 1, 2009 at 7:50 PM

    Bonny Peppa // August 24, 2009 at 6:11 PM

    C.Halsall,
    F*^k you too. Good.

    Bimbro,
    As woman, I tink he kinda cute but pussees cute too and he sure is one cute pussee. Meowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
    Nevva had a white meat yet but where there’s life there’s hope. So he betta watch out. Bonny doan segregate. He want lickinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

    Bonny Peppa // August 23, 2009 at 12:24 PM

    Tech,
    Wha you wasting your time wid dat pussee-hole LIB for? He luv de attention you don’t know? Show off shyte.

    Bonny Peppa // August 31, 2009 at 2:50 PM

    Pat,
    Girl, i now trying to catch up on tings. My bajan-men in dickless. Jus dat dese wikkin bitches wunt leh a man get piece a pussee in peace. I love my men bad an i would nevva trade my wood fa a ‘rub’. All dat rubbin mussy is got dem pubic hairs smell smokey a nuff.
    Rub a dub dub all dese wikkas in one tub.
    Wuhlosssssssssssssssssss

    If I am to be ostracized for being offended by the above smut, so be it. All you who find it edifying and are happy to be associated with it, knock yourselves out.

    Bonny Peppa at least seems to be a little bit ashamed and so should the rest of you who are condoning and supporting the filthy language. I maintain that it demeans the blog in the eyes of readers.

    What, pray tell is sanctimonious about a plea for standards of decency in debating language?

  • BAFBFP // September 1, 2009 at 8:03 PM

    Inkwell

    So de women in dis forum don’ mince words. If you t’ink that all dis serious discourse that tekkin place will change anything ’bout hey in Babados man it is time you wake up an’ fin’ yah way back ta BFP where you can sip lemon tea and indulge in a round of croquet.

  • ROK // September 1, 2009 at 8:09 PM

    @Inkwell
    ” I maintain that it demeans the blog in the eyes of readers.”

    When I read what you pasted in at first I thought they were your comments. Be careful…

    and what is your interest whether the blog is being demeaned or not? I though you would love that.

    BTW the tourists that reading this blog say that they are glad that we venting and that they can see that we fighting for justice… and you know what? They are horrified at the level of racism in Barbados. They saying that the dangerous ones are the white b*********s (their words) and they hope that the election of Obama would send a strong message to them that slavery done and that they should own up as USA owned up. LOL!

  • BAFBFP // September 1, 2009 at 8:16 PM

    Adrian Hinds

    BTW it is now popular in the US for White kids to refer to each other as niggers… Dude is out (after about twenty years) and nigger is in… Ha ha..!

  • Ebenezer // September 1, 2009 at 8:24 PM

    “BTW the tourists that reading this blog say that they are glad that we venting and that they can see that we fighting for justice… and you know what? They are horrified at the level of racism in Barbados. They saying that the dangerous ones are the white b*********s (their words) and they hope that the election of Obama would send a strong message to them that slavery done and that they should own up as USA owned up. LOL!”

    Are you able to provide any proof of the above quote ROK?

  • Adrian Hinds // September 1, 2009 at 8:27 PM

    Bonny peppa din hot. This nigga of uh peppa will be on every “food for thought” you intend to dish out to the family going forward.

    I think it is sanctimonious to enter a rumshop and request 40 year old cognac. I think, only a sanctimonious asshole would make demands that they stock it.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 1, 2009 at 8:38 PM

    David: I think Bush Tea comments should be our next article on race.

    Bush Tea // September 1, 2009 at 7:36 PM

    What really is Racism?

    with BT permission of course.

  • Bush Tea // September 1, 2009 at 8:47 PM

    What, pray tell is sanctimonious about a plea for standards of decency in debating language?”
    ************************************
    It is sanctimonious to presume that YOUR standards must be THE standards.

    Conversely,
    It is mature to apply your personal standards for yourself, while RESPECTING those of others and hopefully influencing them to adopt your high standards -because your example is so impressive.

    It takes nothing to operate in an environment where everyone agrees on most things (including standards),

    HOWEVER, it takes a humble, self-confident, open-minded person to be open to the fact that we all have different standards, different issues and different perspectives… and to respect that.

    Your ‘plea’ is therefore only sanctimonious.
    …. however BFP’s “actions” to censure and abuse those who refuse to conform to their standards of ‘normalcy’ fits my definition of racist.

  • Gear Box // September 1, 2009 at 8:52 PM

    Jack Bowman is Kim Young…!

    AAAAAAAAAAAghhhhhhhhhhh

  • Pat // September 1, 2009 at 9:01 PM

    Ebenezer // August 31, 2009 at 6:27 PM

    Just for the record, you believe that referring to a woman who was brutally murdered while taking a stroll on a beach in Barbados and then repeatedly called “white trash” on this blog, petty stuff? Just for the record.
    *********************************
    Mr. Ebenezer Scrooge:

    Jews are not WHITE! They be black like me. Any white man claiming to be Jewish is a Caucasian with no Jewish blood but only claims to the religion.

  • Gear Box // September 1, 2009 at 9:13 PM

    Where Bonny goin’… she sick?

    AAAAAAAAAAAghhhhhhhhhhh

  • Bonny Peppa // September 1, 2009 at 9:23 PM

    Inkwell,
    Bonny seems a bit ashamed……..? Wah you talking ’bout my friend? Ashamed of what? I just don’t want David getting into a sparing match wid those trying to silence BU. I would really curse you stink ya doan know? You on pun me like white pun rice. I shortchange you or wah? You playin dat you scrutinizing my every word, every sentence,clean, dirty or otherwise.You really got issues ma man/woman/whatevva.
    Look, Bush Tea addressing you personally, why not respondez s-il vous plait?
    Some of my dialogue is ambiguous, but because you have a dirty, smutty, indifferent mind, you interpret it to my disadvantage. It is a good ting you doan pay me. You, or the ‘rest’. Wunna cud reallly stop pretending dat ‘filthy language’ foreign to wunna. Prim n’ proper my ass. Get real do.I just hay ta have some fun, ‘buse a few, and pass de time. You an de ‘few’ condemning me like I committed a heinous crime. My ‘busing nevva enslave nabody yet. stupseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
    Go and jump in de same well wid de ink.You and your entourage. Jumppppp.

  • Man in the Moon // September 1, 2009 at 9:40 PM

    Bush Tea’s comparison of Negroman (of BU fame) with Mr Nelson Mandela is a perversity beyond belief.

    ” I reminded people again and again that the liberation struggle was not a battle against one group or colour, but a fight against a system of repression. At every opportunity, I said all South Africans must now unite and join hands and say we are one country, one nation, one people, marching together into the future.” – Nelson Mandela, 1995 . Long Walk to Freedom; Abacus Books.. pp 745

  • Bush Tea // September 1, 2009 at 9:51 PM

    Go back to the moon.

    Bush tea was around when Mandela was a lawyer activist…..
    The response to him by the white people then was just like yours is now to Negroman…
    Do you think they locked him up because he was well liked?

  • robin hood // September 1, 2009 at 9:56 PM

    @ Adrian Hinds // September 1, 2009 at 5:40 PM
    Let me say thanks to you for taking your time to share those thoughts re the topic under discussion.

    Adrian, I could not agree with you anymore than I already do. I would be one of the 1st to say if something “is broke”, then we need to see if it can be repaired. However, as I commented on BFP earlier today, shouting and screaming back and forth at each on a blog may not be the best way to correct the anomaly. Can we agree on this so far?
    Now, from my observations here I agree that there is a problem. The situation is as it is. So, there is no sense in sweeping things under a carpet and hope that it will disappear.
    I agree with you that there are some “whites” around, I refer to them as “bajan white”, who think “duh mek duhself”. Understand what I am saying? I say “bajan white” because of our peculiar history, I doubt very much whether any of them could claim 100% white. By that same token I say the same about the so called “afro-bajan”as regards purity of race. Are you following me? In my estimation there are no pure afro or pure euro bajans today.

    So, with all this in mind why are we trying to go at each other with such vile statements from both sides. Would it not be more beneficial to all concerned to try to reach some common ground?

    I do not claim to know the answers but since we recognise that things are not as they should be, then we need to search for a solution and not go the route of slinging mud and acrimony at each other, this will not help. Over to you now, bro.

  • Man in the Moon // September 1, 2009 at 10:18 PM

    Bush Tea

    Glad to remains on the Mountains of the Moon but consider the words of Mr Mandela at the end of the 1964 Rivonia trial after which he was sentenced to life imprisonment.

    “During my lifetime, I have dedicated myself to this struggle of the African people. I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.”
    - Nelson Mandela, 1995 . Long Walk to Freedom; Abacus Books.. pp 438.

    The perversity of your ignorance to compare that impotent windbag Negroman with the courage and industry of Mr Mandela is to be deplored if not pitied.

  • ROK // September 1, 2009 at 10:22 PM

    @David

    I think that with all this BFP spam, I am not going to venture to answer strangers so hastily or even easily. If you check the things that pull people out of the woodwork.

    Let them check the arrival hall at GAIA.

  • ROK // September 1, 2009 at 10:29 PM

    @Man on the Moon

    Do you think it was right that Mandella had to sacrifice so much of his only life to be sitting unproductively in jail and suffer so many cruelties while in there?

    Did you not understand Mandella to say that the cruelty that he met should not be felt by anybody else?

    Don’t you think that the effects of such cruelty left Mandella so numb that he had to try and rise aver the anger to keep his sanity?

    As much as Mandella talk and something had to snap in him you think he won’t curse as he have done at some times?

    So what do we have? Pent up anger; no good for the human psyche; not healthy at all. As Gandhi himself said, “it is no measure of comfort to be well adjusted to a sick society”

  • BAFBFP // September 1, 2009 at 10:47 PM

    I say “bajan white” because of our peculiar history, I doubt very much whether any of them could claim 100% white.

    This “One Drop” or “Tar Brush” thing is as racist as it gets and that makes you guilty out of share ignorance. If they look like ducks and quack, well they be ducks y’all. What you and John and Ink Pot and Bowman need to understand is that unlike Halsall and Low Down and a few others, White people ’bout hey prefer to segregate and that pisses everybody off…!

    Man in the Moon
    Thanks to that ass Mandella, the struggle to nationalise the major mining industries in South Africa and the drive to institute a meaningful minimum wage is over, shot

  • Bush Tea // September 1, 2009 at 10:57 PM

    @Man in the Moon,

    When did Bush man say that Negroman and Nelson Mandela were equals?
    Like Ghandi, Mandela was a highly educated lawyer whose profession led him to a leadership position against the racist system.

    Seems to me that any comparisons I made were related to your response to Negroman and the white racist’s response to Mandela.

    What makes you qualified to judge his means of expressing his strong concerns? How about if he got himself some AK47’s – would that better fit your version of ‘respectable’ behavior?

    As far as I know, Negroman is a regular Bajan who is expressing himself as he feels moved to do, about a situation that he finds unbearable…
    He is not a black South African lawyer from the 60’s.

    Who died and made you judge?

  • Man in the Moon // September 1, 2009 at 11:04 PM

    ROK

    Mandela is a Man, not a God. He is justified in expressing the full range of human emotions. However, I am challenging the notion that there is something honourable, insightful or productive in the writings of Negroman and particularly that there is some similarity with the thoughts and actions of Mr Nelson Mandela. Negroman is a buffoon, flailing at “white” people like Quixote did at the windmills. He strikes no blow for the advancement of African people instead he wallows in the quicksand of haplessness serving only to hold himself up as a model of despair masquerading as righteous anger.

  • Man in the Moon // September 1, 2009 at 11:18 PM

    BABFP

    there is some truth that the ANC led government to date has not moved as far as it probably should in redressing the inequalities and iniquities of the South African economy. Is it fair to blame Mandela who was President for 5 years of the 15 years of ANC rule?

    Bush Tea,
    as you wiggle and squirm, indignation does not become you! It is so …pathetic!

  • Bush Tea // September 1, 2009 at 11:20 PM

    @MITM
    “I am challenging the notion that there is something honourable, insightful or productive in the writings of Negroman and particularly that there is some similarity with the thoughts and actions of Mr Nelson Mandela.”
    *************************************
    …similarity? …an abhorrence of the bigoted judgment and actions of clear racist who cannot even see the arrogance of their classification of the nature and behaviors of others.

    Mandela by sacrificing 27 years of his youth
    Martin Luther King – his life
    Bush Tea by dedicating his life to finding truth
    …and Negroman by jerking the strings of people like you in the best way that he can….LOL
    …and what a job he has done so far.

  • BAFBFP // September 1, 2009 at 11:38 PM

    Robin Hood said “I say “bajan white” because of our peculiar history, I doubt very much whether any of them could claim 100% white.”

  • Man in the Moon // September 1, 2009 at 11:48 PM

    Let me leave with a thought: wouldn’t a white racist feel justified in his/her views on encountering those of Negroman?

    There is an interesting and provocative chapter in the book “A Testament of Hope. The essential writings of Martin Luther King, Jr”. That chapter is titled “Where do we go from here: Chaos or Community.

    Dr King writing on the slogan Black Power opined: “I conceded the fact that we must have slogans. But why have one that would confuse our allies, isolate the Negro community and give many prejudiced whites, who might otherwise be ashamed of their anti-Negro feeling, a ready excuse for self-justification”. (remember Dr King was writing in the 1960’s)

    There are good arguments against Dr King’s position and some are given in the same chapter.

  • Man in the Moon // September 1, 2009 at 11:58 PM

    … jerking my strings ?!!! Good one BT but alas he is merely embarrassing (and the word ass is in there).

  • BAFBFP // September 2, 2009 at 12:05 AM

    Man in the Moon

    Mandela agreed to stop pursuing all these relevant things; he even agreed to decommission much of the S African army thereby removing it from the list of Nuclear Powers. What ever it took to taste a piece of power; and now in his castrated state has got the gall to tell Iran to decommission as well. What a shite!

    The South Africans came to Barbados in the early nineties (invited by Gary Sobers and company from the Tourist Board) to get first hand confirmation that it is possible for a small minority of Whites to exist and thrive under a Black rule that consists of an “elite professional” class of people that are traditionally involved in serving the needs of Big business.

  • Inkwell // September 2, 2009 at 1:20 AM

    What really is Racism?
    (Dedicated to Bush Tea)

    Respectfully, Bush Tea, your analysis is severely flawed. You have tried Negroman and exonerated him of the charge of racism: “If racism is properly judged by the actions of those who are accused, then Bush Tea finds Negroman (and Nelson Mandela) to be completely innocent.” using criteria for the definition of racism which are obviously not applicable to him (he clearly does not consider himself superior to anybody: he is primarily an angry black man).

    Incidentally, your, juxtapositioning of the cases of Nelson Mandela and Negroman is distasteful at best and does a great injustice to Mandela, who has shown nothing but love for his oppressors. The same cannot be said for Negroman.

    The Wikipedia definition you cite is fine as far as it goes, but in the circumstances surrounding this case, it is inadequate, incomplete and clearly unacceptable.

    Negroman reacts to racism practised by some whites by hating all whites (ref: Terry Schwarzfeld) and that, the instinctive negative reaction to an individual based solely on his/her skin colour, is also racism or racial bigotry, would you not agree? Given this further and logical extension to the definition, no verdict other than guilty as charged is possible.

    Negroman would be an intriguing case for a psychologist as he also throws into the mix a healthy dose of xenophobia, which appears to be linked to his brand of racism.

  • Inkwell // September 2, 2009 at 1:31 AM

    David,

    I submitted a comment a few minutes ago which does not appear, but when I resubmit, I get a “duplicate” message

  • David // September 2, 2009 at 2:28 AM

    @BU family

    There is an attempt by some to be deliberately provocative. Stay focused!

  • Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 2:47 AM

    Negroman, I’m not bothered about ‘how u feel about many of my postings’, however, we all know how very many people already feel about very many of yours which is that they’re a load of *hit!! However, don’t allow me to stop u from posting. You’ve obviously got a penchant for talking crap!! I was merely hoping to encourage u to see the issue in its true perspective. However, if u prefer to continue to be an idiot, that’s a matter for u!! And, “However,I must let you know I owed my life to my spiritual father and my biological parents and not to anybody else.”

    If that’s not the biggest load of drivel I’ve heard for a very long time, I don’t know what is, and only goes to show the extent of your self-delusionment. Anybody who takes u seriously, also needs their head examined!!

    **************

    “What, pray tell is sanctimonious about a plea for standards of decency in debating language?”

    *************

    Inkwell, ok, so I admit it’s a bit strong but looka, it in Sunday today and it is a bit amusing!! Are u a reverend?!! Ink, jes lern to relax, man!!

    Laaaaadddddd!!

    BAF, I think the white kids are
    saying ‘well, if the niggers can b stupid, then so can we’!! Nothing to be proud of, really!!

    Adrian or, Bush Tea; whatever racism is it’s probably unavoidable by other than the black race and, of course, some would say it exists even within us, so, the question is, how we deal with it! In fact, I’ve just remembered significant evidence that it IS avoidable towards us (or largely so). However, I won’t ‘bore’ u with this vital piece of information. I’m sure some of the people here would much rather wallow in their own estimation of ‘just how racist the world is, etc!!’ without troubling to genuinely ask themselves just WHY that is, so I shall let them!! However, I have witnessed clear, irrefutable evidence that racism IS avoidable!!

    Pat, how do u arrive at dat conclusion!! I’ve known my Jewish doctor for years and many other Jews an, if duh in white, den I colour-bline!! an I in colour-bline!!

    Lorrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

    Inkwell!! Doan mess wid Bonny, bro!! Not if yuh doan want a good cussing!!

    Laaaaaadddddddddddd!! – lady can cuss boa!! :) I keeping my head low!! but, it is amusing!!

    **********

    Man in the Moon // September 1, 2009 at 11:04 PM

    ROK

    Mandela is a Man, not a God. He is justified in expressing the full range of human emotions.

    ********

    ‘Man’, ur so right about Mandela and, a very fallible one too!! These people who worship he really mek me laugh!!

    Steupse!!

    Blow wunna African-lovers!! I’m proud to say that all my heroes r either Barbadian or, other WESTERN blacks, ML King, e.g.!! *uck Africans – just as they don’t give two tosses about us!! Anybody here tell me the last time they heard an African praise a West Indian!! Stop deluding wunna foolish selves, do!!

  • Ebenezer // September 2, 2009 at 7:25 AM

    Bush Tea Says: “Mandela by sacrificing 27 years of his youth
    Martin Luther King – his life
    Bush Tea by dedicating his life to finding truth
    …and Negroman by jerking the strings of people like you in the best way that he can….LOL”

    So now Bush Tea putting himself in the same league as MLK and Mandela? Well, well………….

  • ROK // September 2, 2009 at 7:46 AM

    @Inkwell
    “Mandela is a Man, not a God. He is justified in expressing the full range of human emotions.”

    If this is acknowledged, how is Negroman different? Is he too not justified in expressing his full range of human emotions?

    “However, I am challenging the notion that there is something honourable, insightful or productive in the writings of Negroman and particularly that there is some similarity with the thoughts and actions of Mr Nelson Mandela.”

    They say that jealousy is a wasted emotion. If then we are entitled to express wasted emotions, why does there have to be any logic qualifying emotions when we are all entitled to all of them?

    What rule are you therefore trying to concoct? What goal posts are you moving? You are not too coherent and you contradict yourself.

    As David warned. Stay focussed people.

  • ROK // September 2, 2009 at 7:58 AM

    @Ebenezer

    “So now Bush Tea putting himself in the same league as MLK and Mandela? Well, well…”

    What you don’t understand is that Bush Tea, Mandella, and MLK all have one thing in common and any of them could have filled the shoes of any of them. All Black. All understand the struggle. None are Gods.

    There are millions of Bush Teas, MLKs and Mandellas in case you don’t understand. You would like to revere MLK and Mandella and put them on a pedestal and try to throw them back in our face as ideals but when MLK was alive and when Mandella was in the height of the struggle, the treatment meted out to them was not special.

    There was nothing about them that separates us from them and to the white man at the time, they were villians to be rid of. We all felt it then and still feeling it now.

    Where do you get off? You are being rather hypocritical.

  • Inkwell // September 2, 2009 at 8:48 AM

    ROK,

    If you want to disagree with me, you should make sure that the statements you attribute to me were in fact made by me. Rather reckless, wouldn’t you say?

    Go fight with Man in the Moon.

  • ROK // September 2, 2009 at 8:54 AM

    @Inkwell

    LOL! I start to become a wizard at making cloth; i.e. crossing up threads.

    Yes all those comments were for the man on the moon. Don’t even know why I taking on a man from the moon who certainly would not know much about the earth anyhow.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 9:12 AM

    @Robin Hood
    agree with you that there are some “whites” around, I refer to them as “bajan white”, who think “duh mek duhself”. Understand what I am saying? I say “bajan white” because of our peculiar history, I doubt very much whether any of them could claim 100% white. By that same token I say the same about the so called “afro-bajan”as regards purity of race. Are you following me? In my estimation there are no pure afro or pure euro bajans today.
    ————————————————

    I follow you, but this have little to do with what occurs in Barbados. A bajan white would not be considered white in America and probably Europe, but he nevertheless thinks that he is and is viewed as such in Barbados. The mere fact that they would refer to blacks as niggers ( Goodriged Highgate gardens) and Black Barbadians referred to him as a white man tells me that the ability to lay claim to 100% Euro or Afro matters little. Indeed this is the case with how BFP report news about Barbados. It is clearly a case of Barbados being run by blacks and “look what a poor job they are doing”.

    Robin Hood, if you are white and you are in Barbados you may need to decided if it is in your interest to have BFP continually present negatives news of Barbados in a racially divisive manner. Some of the things they report on, calling names in the process, have omitted white actors caught up in the action. I can cite story after story where there is this deliberate sanitization of events, a whitewash if you will. This has led to the very true statement that it is the white people’s blog, and the ensuing negative connotations of evil, superiority, etc thereafter.
    Where do we go from here? A simple reporting of events as they occur and by whom would help. Black and whites live in Barbados and therefore the mistakes, and good deeds, the corruption and trust worthiness, the thieving and honesty, must be shared by all as such is most likely to be the truth of events.

    BFP to my mind is the Black and Barbadian version of Whitewatch.wordpress.com

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 9:17 AM

    Bush Tea, you should have dismiss the Moon man dishonesty from his first post. You did not compare Negroman to Nelson Mandela in the manner that form the bases of his responses. The facts are that Negroman was called a racist as was Nelson Mandela. A true statement. Stating that I am as Tall as Joel Gardner, a true statement, should not lead anyone to conclude that I am not Joel Gardner as if I said such.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 9:20 AM

    This inkwell is filled with shite.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM

    Incidentally, your, juxtapositioning of the cases of Nelson Mandela and Negroman is distasteful at best and does a great injustice to Mandela, WHO HAS SHOWN NOTHING BUT LOVE FOR HIS OPPRESSORS. The same cannot be said for Negroman.

    ————————————————-
    pray tell that this statement only serves as a response to the NON-ARGUMENT that Negroman and Nelson Mandela are not alike.

    BT stated a fact; both Negroman and Nelson Mandella were called racist. With the above you have differentiated on how they responded. To the samethings???????

  • Ebenezer // September 2, 2009 at 9:37 AM

    Mr. ROK Sir, Perhaps you overlooked my post so I hope you don’t mind my asking again. Can you provide some proof of what you have stated below? How many “tourists” made this statement to you?

    “BTW the tourists that reading this blog say that they are glad that we venting and that they can see that we fighting for justice… and you know what? They are horrified at the level of racism in Barbados. They saying that the dangerous ones are the white b*********s (their words) and they hope that the election of Obama would send a strong message to them that slavery done and that they should own up as USA owned up. LOL!”

  • Ebenezer // September 2, 2009 at 9:39 AM

    Sorry, one other question for you Mr. ROK, if “tourists” have been reading this blog as you said, why have they not posted comments and had their opinion known without your having to be their spokesperson?

  • ROK // September 2, 2009 at 9:43 AM

    @Scrouge
    “if “tourists” have been reading this blog as you said, why have they not posted comments and had their opinion known without your having to be their spokesperson?”

    Does that make my knowledge invalid?

  • Ebenezer // September 2, 2009 at 9:44 AM

    Adrian Hinds, if anyone is filled with shite, it is you. You need a large enema hose put up your backside. I am sure that you will feel much better afterwards.

  • ROK // September 2, 2009 at 9:46 AM

    @Scrouge

    Sorry, one other question for you Scrouge. Why all those people who reading these comments like BFP says do not speak for themselves?

    Does that make BFP cronies liars?

  • ROK // September 2, 2009 at 9:50 AM

    @Scrouge

    “Adrian Hinds, if anyone is filled with shite, it is you. You need a large enema hose put up your backside. I am sure that you will feel much better afterwards.”

    What kind of human would think those thoughts? Rather violent, wouldn’t you say? Is that the stuff you made of? Is that how you were brought up? Wait, is that not a racist thought? Sounds like something they would have done with a slave if they had the water pressure at that time.

  • Ebenezer // September 2, 2009 at 9:53 AM

    Mr. ROK, you still haven’t answered my first question but I will answer to your second response to me. Yes, it would make your assertion highly suspect as it is not common sense. If, as you stated, tourists have been reading BU and are supportive of the views posted to this blog, it only takes 15 seconds to type “Yes, I agree totally!” or “Keep up the good work!” or maybe a full 60 seconds to type “We are glad that you are venting and that we can see that you fighting for justice… and you know what? We are horrified at the level of racism in Barbados. We think that the dangerous ones are the white b*********s.
    If a tourist on holiday has the time to actually sit down to a PC and locate Barbados Underground and read the posts, you would think they had 60 seconds to respond, especially if they saw BU in a positive light, wouldn’t you?

  • ROK // September 2, 2009 at 9:58 AM

    @Scrouge

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha

    One rule applies to all right?

    LOL!

    You like King David wanting to put a soldier up front in the battle so he would die and leave his wife for the King. Of course he realised his moral dilemma when confronted by the wise men.

    Have a good day sir!

  • Ebenezer // September 2, 2009 at 10:02 AM

    You still haven’t answered the question Mr. ROK. These tourists that voiced their opinions to you where are they and how exactly did they communicate their opinions to you? Was it through the tinfoil crown you wear ?

  • I know Negroman // September 2, 2009 at 10:09 AM

    He has never hurt a fly and would give you his lasstttt!

    He is a true friend. Many times I have nothing and he always helps out! Yes, he is steadfast in his convictions, BUT has never hurt a fly in his life! I can vouch for that.

    Bush Tea you are right in your analysis of Negroman!

  • Canuck wunnuhbee // September 2, 2009 at 10:14 AM

    ROK // September 2, 2009 at 9:50 AM

    @Scrouge

    “Adrian Hinds, if anyone is filled with shite, it is you. You need a large enema hose put up your backside. I am sure that you will feel much better afterwards.”

    What kind of human would think those thoughts? Rather violent, wouldn’t you say? Is that the stuff you made of? Is that how you were brought up? Wait, is that not a racist thought? Sounds like something they would have done with a slave if they had the water pressure at that time.
    ————————————————-
    Or a police officer in NY or some highshool kids in suburban America. The practice is still with us today.

    BTW: Ebenezar/piedpiper; being full of shite is known health problem for many persons.

  • Rover // September 2, 2009 at 10:16 AM

    Porter (PiedPiper) getting on real dixie over at BFP, nit picking at everybody and getting in everybody business. He prancing up on BU too, but he came on here the other day calling himself PricklyPear because after calling bloggers on BU “racist swine” he didn’t have the guts to use his PiedPiper handle. Just now somebody going bust his ass over on BFP and then he will resort to his normal vulgarity, watch and see. Sicko.
    P.S. Anon just bust his ass over at BFP!

  • J // September 2, 2009 at 10:16 AM

    Ebenezer wrote on // September 2, 2009 at 9:44 AM…”Adrian Hinds, if anyone is filled with shite, it is you. You need a large enema hose put up your backside. I am sure that you will feel much better afterwards.”

    Dear Ebenezer: Can’t you disagree without being vulgar?

    Adrian is no friend of mine but…

  • Inkwell // September 2, 2009 at 10:27 AM

    To Adrian Hinds

    What particularly is it about my response to Bush Tea that is faecal?

    Can you articulate a coherent rebuttal of my argument or can you only resort to a personal attack to mask your intellectual inadequacy?

    Awaiting your well articulated response…..

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 10:46 AM

    Not your response Inkwell, YOU.

    Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 9:20 AM

    This inkwell is filled with shite.

    Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM

    Incidentally, your, juxtapositioning of the cases of Nelson Mandela and Negroman is distasteful at best and does a great injustice to Mandela, WHO HAS SHOWN NOTHING BUT LOVE FOR HIS OPPRESSORS. The same cannot be said for Negroman.

    ————————————————-
    Does this statement only serves as a response to the NON-ARGUMENT that Negroman and Nelson Mandela are not alike?

    BT stated a fact; both Negroman and Nelson Mandella were called racist. With the above you have differentiated on how they responded. To the samethings???????

  • ROK // September 2, 2009 at 10:49 AM

    @Scrouge
    “If, as you stated, tourists have been reading BU and are supportive of the views posted to this blog, it only takes 15 seconds to type “Yes, I agree totally!””

    For clarity, therein lies your answer and it would also be the answer to those who trying to make us feel that tourist reading this blog will refuse to come to Barbados or that this blog affecting tourism in some way.

    One rule for all, right?

  • robin hood // September 2, 2009 at 10:50 AM

    @Ebenezer // September 2, 2009 at 9:44 AM.

    Is this type of response really necessary?

    Are we or are we not all adult human beings with some level of intelligence and/or education?!

    If so, are we not able to approach a discussion without reverting to such crass statements?

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 10:53 AM

    BFP,piedpiper,JackBowman,Mongoose et al

    Real racism.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 11:09 AM

    To NEGROMAN,SCOUT,JC and others

    stand up and speak out.

  • robin hood // September 2, 2009 at 11:19 AM

    @ Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 10:53 AM.
    I have always had the impression that these football fans displayed horrible behaviour not only to others but amongst themselves as well. I say this because of all the reports of violence and injuries that we hear about at these events.

    However, I see that the officials are trying to correct the situation. Listen to Sepp Blatter with what he says the consequences will be for those uttering racist slurs at the World Cup.

    I agree, it is a contemptible testimony of the behaviour of such people who agitate against others just because of skin pigmentation.

    By that same token the same applies to those who discrimate against others because of their religion their creed, or their class (station in life) or even their nationality.

  • robin hood // September 2, 2009 at 11:23 AM

    @ Adrian Hinds

    I notice that you are taking some time off from the many jobs you work at.:>)

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 11:28 AM

    By that same token the same applies to those who discrimate against others because of their religion their creed, or their class (station in life) or even their nationality.
    ————————————————

    all of that is discuss in the video, as it occurs in Europe without a wimper from BFP. Would that they where wanting to magnify Negroman’s comments to the size of what the video portrays. Negroman’s response is emotional and can be considered similar to the two football players who had enough of it. It is disgracefull and dishonest for BFP and it’s Canadian base supporters to be so blantantly one-sided.

    Do they speak for you and other white Barbadians in Barbados?

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 11:32 AM

    robin hood // September 2, 2009 at 11:23 AM

    @ Adrian Hinds

    I notice that you are taking some time off from the many jobs you work at.:>)
    ————————————————-
    Whatever do you mean???

  • robin hood // September 2, 2009 at 11:38 AM

    @ Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 11:32 AM.

    “Whatever do you mean???”

    Nothing sinister. :>) .

    It is just that I remembered that you had said quite some time ago that you were very busy working several different jobs.
    So when I saw the time that you posted your recent comments I just wondered if you were having a “break”. Capishe?

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 11:40 AM

    @Robin Hood

    Are you a Barbadian? are you currently living in Barbados? I am beginning to suspect that you may not be. Was I wrong to assume that you were?

  • robin hood // September 2, 2009 at 11:42 AM

    @ Adrian Hinds

    BTW no one speaks for “ole” robin here.
    Don’t you remember from way back in King Richard’s time that I was a law onto myself! :>)

    And furthermore, ole robin speaks for himself……..ie for no one else. My views are mine alone!

  • robin hood // September 2, 2009 at 11:45 AM

    Adrian,
    You seem to be very perceptive! No not born baje! “Just adopted!” But a Caribbean Man, nonetheless! :>)

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM

    Ok Robin Hood, here endith my conversation with you. I have no interst in speaking with the dead. Have a good after life??

  • Bush Tea // September 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM

    @ Inkwell -Respectfully…
    You probably intended to say that YOU find that my “juxtapositioning of the cases of Nelson Mandela and Negroman is distasteful at best and does a great injustice to Mandela, who has shown nothing but love for his oppressors. The same cannot be said for Negroman.”
    *************************************
    The point here being your judgment of Negroman without knowing him. I do not know him; but I KNOW Bajans! and as I said, Negroman is 99% likely to be the most caring, helpful and respectful man you are likely to meet…

    …. However, he is DEEPLY hurt by the pain that he sees inflicted by TRUE racist who (I submit) are DEFINED by their vindictive and hateful ACTIONS. His response is clearly not the most elegant, but where do you get off judging the genuineness of his intent, honour, or correctness? His outbursts are typical of some Bajans and should be analyzed as such. I challenge you to question his IMPACT in raising the issues in the blogosphere…

    Which part of this do you find to be flawed?

    @ Ebenezer
    So now Bush Tea putting himself in the same league as MLK and Mandela? Well, well………….
    *************************************
    What a childish interpretation of a simple personal, factual statement!!!

    However, since you raised the matter, I can tell you that BT is one of those lucky Micro Mock Engineers who have been chosen for great things….

    In fact Ebenezer, as you will probably live to discover, Bush Tea will be elevated to levels well above anything that MKL and Mandela could even dream….

  • robin hood // September 2, 2009 at 11:48 AM

    Adrian,

    Cheers, buddy! I’m good with that.
    We’ll talk again, no doubt.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 11:56 AM

    Folks you would notice how RH attempted to ascribed the behaviour in the video to a “some” people. The broadcaster must be taken to task for elevating the behaviour we see, to porpotions of national levels. He talked of soccer fans, and accepted behaviour in Europe, and compared such to behaviour in the US. But RH sees it as behaviour of “some” people. Well there you have it.

  • robin hood // September 2, 2009 at 12:08 PM

    @ Adrian Hinds

    I would kindly suggest that you re-read my comment. I never used the term “some people”. The term I used was
    “such people”. Such =any! Meaning anyone…………anybody! Get the drift?

  • Inkwell // September 2, 2009 at 12:18 PM

    Adrian Hinds

    I read your response three times in an effort to understand it. Sadly, I cannot get the point that you are making…it is incoherent, which only goes to prove my point concerning your intellectual capabilities. Oh well.

  • Ebenezer // September 2, 2009 at 12:34 PM

    Well, Mr. ROK, as I can’t seem to get a a straight answer to the question asked about these “tourists” quoted in your comment :
    “BTW the tourists that reading this blog say that they are glad that we venting and that they can see that we fighting for justice… and you know what? They are horrified at the level of racism in Barbados. They saying that the dangerous ones are the white b*********s (their words) and they hope that the election of Obama would send a strong message to them that slavery done and that they should own up as USA owned up. LOL!”
    ….I will have to conclude that the entire thing was purely a figment of your over active imagination.

  • Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 12:41 PM

    Hey, I c dat LIB defek to BFP!! Lor!! an, tank god too!! He’d become such a bore!! Meanwhile, how suh many uh wunna feel having one foot in each camp?!! I in namin nuh names bo, but duh all day fuh all to c!! In terms of international politics one would probably be deemed a spy or traitor!! but, I would n’t say nutten?!!

    Lord!!

  • Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 12:44 PM

    As fuh d footballers!! They’re probaly racists themselves, in respect of somebody/other people else!! So, guess how much I gun cry fuh dem!! You got it!! Not one shite!!

    Lord! Leh me guh way an have a nice day, do!!

  • Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 12:47 PM

    Anyway, they probably got enuf money to buy themselves out d situ nex month or nex year. D people I really feel sorry for r the poor who can’t easily extricate dumselves from d situ!! **** the footballers!! Mek dem go an get a proper job!!

    Laaaaaadddddddddddddd!!

  • Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 12:48 PM

    THEN, they might get the chance to experience, real racism!!

  • Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 12:49 PM

    Have a nice Bajan day!! an, BTW, is it raining in St Johns!!

    Laaaaadddddddddddddddddddd!! :)

  • Inkwell // September 2, 2009 at 12:54 PM

    Bush Tea, respectfully, why is my judgment of Negroman not valid and yours is, when I have as evidence a plethora of rantings “from the horse’s mouth” and you have only, while admitting to not knowing the man, only your “knowledge” of Bajans. From that you wisely conclude that “Negroman is 99% likely to be the most caring, helpful and respectful man you are likely to meet”. Most naive and highly illogical.

    In addition, with your admitted lack of knowlege of the man, you have the conceit to posit a long distance psychiatric evaluation.. “However, he is DEEPLY hurt by the pain that he sees inflicted by TRUE racist who (I submit) are DEFINED by their vindictive and hateful ACTIONS.” Give me a break.

    How does this “deep hurt” motivate his racist attitudes to Indians, and Chinese and Pakistanis? They enslaved our people too?

    I am not judging his intent, just his effect and that effect is to demonstrate to all and sundry that there are still some “ignorant” Bajans and gives the impression that his type of racist attitude is prevalent here.

    The fact that the blog administrator allows his ravings without issuing any sort of disclaimer (and I support David’s dedication to the principles of free speech) only entrenches that perception. The blogsite therefore is being seen, not as a crusader for free speech, but as being itself racist. I don’t know if that is the intention, but, hey, it’s David’s blog.

  • Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 12:56 PM

    Does anybody remember when I used to put half a dozen !!!!s after every sentence?!! I used to b very energetic in dem days!! Well, now I’m down to only two, so ‘I’m getting there’!!

    Laaaaaaadddddddddddd!!

  • Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 12:57 PM

    One step farward, Two step back
    Inna Babylon!!

    Infamous rastafarian chant!! Don’t mention it here!!

  • Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 1:02 PM

    “How does this “deep hurt” motivate his racist attitudes to Indians, and Chinese and Pakistanis? They enslaved our people too?”

    ****************

    Inkwell, give d ******ds unfetterd access to our country and c what’ll happen! You won’t then need to ask that question as it’ll be an undeniable, reality!!

  • Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 1:06 PM

    ‘I know Negroman’!! and, who’s right in their analysis of me?!!

  • Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM

    In these troubling times, I wonder what it’s like ‘to have a foot in both camps’!!

  • Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 1:14 PM

    An, can u sleep peacefully, at night!!?

  • Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 1:22 PM

    Dem Spanish people r among the most racist in the world!! Rented my place to a family uh dum once – yuh should uh c dum when duh come to ask me tuh let it to dum – almose crying, like duh would fall pun duh knees an beg, if I’d declined. Having offered it to dum, it was n’t long before they were complain bout dis and dat an being suh aggressive whereas, nuhbody din have nuh complaints before!! A shite-people man!! so, it’s no wonder they behave the way they do re: the football!! Welcome to real life, Bajans!!

  • Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 1:31 PM

    Dave, all dis writing’s making me tired!!

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 1:36 PM

    Inkwell // September 2, 2009 at 12:18 PM

    Adrian Hinds

    I read your response three times in an effort to understand it. Sadly, I cannot get the point that you are making…it is incoherent, which only goes to prove my point concerning your intellectual capabilities. Oh well.
    ===========================

    ha ha I beg to differ. I know you understood. You disagreed with BT on any similarity between Negroman and Nelson Mandela yet claiming they differ only in their response. You were no doubt coherent in demonstrating your conflicting points.

    Intellecutal giant you are not. Of course you made no such claim. With good reason I might add.

  • Anonymous // September 2, 2009 at 1:37 PM

    Bimbro

    Did you take your medication this morning?

    Please check,because you slipping real bad!

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 3:36 PM

    Some humour:

  • Yardbroom // September 2, 2009 at 3:42 PM

    Let us “look” at this racism of which we on BU are accused:

    One thing you can be certain of, the Blacks here in “Barbados” never started it, or sought to perpetuate it in Barbados.

    We have a situation where suddenly Blacks are accused of racism, because of a comment on a blog.

    The acres of Barbados soil are soaked in the blood of black people, the dark lanes and open fields if they could speak
    would confirm the unspeakable crimes that have been committed in this idyll in the sun.

    Now there are those who come like a Pontius Pilate with “unwashed hands” lecturing us on “two injudicious” words on a blog; in an effort to cleanse themselves of a history, that brings only shame.

    They come to lecture and hector, hoisted up on empty words: what this would do to Barbados, the world is watching…well the world watched before.

    Oh! things have not changed. Thomas Walduck, thought this of Barbadians – in the seventeenth century, and he was not speaking of Blacks. “Barbadians had no “moral honesty” it is evident here now.

    If it is that Black Barbadians are racists we have paid in “blood” to learn and we had very good “teachers.”

    Let us see the teachings:

    “Father Antoine Biet described how one planter had a slave whipped by other negroes repeatedly for seven days. On the eighth day he had one of the slave’s ears cut off and roasted. The black was then made to eat his ear. Although Biet agreed that “one must keep these kinds of people obedient” the gruesome spectacle caused him to write that ” it in inhuman to treat them with so much harshness.”

    We have learned our “racism” yes in Barbados. Even the good father thought it was the way to treat us, with conditions.

    We are not “obedient” enough now are we ?

    Be off with you, telling us we are racists.

  • Technician // September 2, 2009 at 3:51 PM

    @ Adrian Hinds…

    Did you read the comments below this video?!?

    …and they call negroman a racist?!?

  • Anonymous // September 2, 2009 at 4:21 PM

    I think Bonny Peppa should stay off de people’s blog with her/his despicable behaviour. It is a definite turn off. He/She should mend her/his ways.

    This blog would not miss Bonny Peppa
    Trust me

    The filth emanating from Bonny Peppa is so repulsive that she/he should be sanitized by being banned from the blogosphere. The sooner the better.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 4:34 PM

    Technician // September 2, 2009 at 3:51 PM

    @ Adrian Hinds…

    Did you read the comments below this video?!?

    …and they call negroman a racist?!?
    ————————————————
    yup saw them. Nothing new. I understand the need for the real minority to feel superior, to feel that they are better than everyone else and more importantly to have all others (people of colour) believe it all as well.

  • Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 5:50 PM

    Adrian, and u think that’s funny!!! Hmmm! Can’t have happened to u!!

  • Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 5:52 PM

    Anonymous // September 2, 2009 at 1:37 PM

    Bimbro

    Did you take your medication this morning?

    Please check,because you slipping real bad!

    ***********

    ‘Anonymous’, thanks for enquiring and yes, I’ve taken it now, so now I’m ready again to b a typical boring-ass Barbadian just as you normally appreciate!! Ok?!!

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 6:03 PM

    Bimbro // September 2, 2009 at 5:50 PM

    Adrian, and u think that’s funny!!! Hmmm! Can’t have happened to u!!
    ————————————————-

    Can’t say that it has. I never noticed it, and that may be the result of
    not having a habit of watching the actions of strangers.

  • Georgie Porgie // September 2, 2009 at 6:05 PM

    Yardbroom

    I enjoyed your prose , as usual.

    About 5 years ago I was teaching at a medical school in Curacao. There was a white American twit who was a PhD with a cv that extended right around the corner.

    But he knew nothing about Medicine and about leadership. Having killed myself the first term by teaching 90 extra contact hours, he wanted me to do the same the next term.

    When I refused, he called me a most unsavory name. I did not respond in kind, but told him I would report the incident to the owner of the school.

    His response was to write the owner and make the most unsavory report about me. He did not know that others had seen me work and had reported the same to the President.

    My response was to print out the relevant verses from the book of Esther on the incident where Haman hang on his own gallows, and put it on his desk.

    That was the begining of the psychology I worked on him.

    By the end of the term he was no longer the Dean, and I called him UN-DEEN or RE-DEEN, By the end of the next term he was gone!

    From a lad I have always stood up as a MAN, not a black man. I have not been popular for it, but thats how I feel, and how I act.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 6:29 PM

    I would like to hear the various psychological events that led to his becoming “un-deen” or should I not have linked the two sentences together?

    This is a powerful story if it is true. The real MD defeats the PHD in his “own” mind. lol!

    you said:
    From a lad I have always stood up as a MAN, not a black man.
    ————————————————
    This isn’t what you said to Bonny peppa recently ha ha ha.

  • David // September 2, 2009 at 7:13 PM

    @mash up

    There is a lot we can say about the incident of late but we will stay for now:-)

    Remember BU is for all. Yes we encourage the academics to join BU because one weakness we have found has been our inability as a society to optimally leverage academia to re-engineer our society in a changing world.

    Sorry it is becoming infectious!

  • Yardbroom // September 2, 2009 at 7:25 PM

    Georgie Porgie
    On this blog I have said repeatedly I do not hate white people, I even find it “offensive” for someone to suggest I do.

    I like fairness and reason, most of my life I worked in departments or offices abroad and I was the only black person. It never bothered me, I just got on with what I had to do.

    I recall once going into a small village in Germany and everyone was looking at me, I wondered why. Later I was told there had never seen a black person in the village before, not even the American soldiers during the war.

    On the blogs, I always think I am having a conversation at my home over a drink. My wife is there reading a book or listening to music, my children are also there darting from room to room.

    I use language or behave as in that setting. That is how I interact with others in my professional life, it is for other grown ups to act as they see fit.

    Good manners should never be seen as a sign of weakness and are available to all Black, White, Rich and Poor and I learnt that from a poor black woman in Barbados…who never once left these shores.

    Thanks for your kind remarks.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 2, 2009 at 9:26 PM

    More humour:

  • Bonny Peppa // September 2, 2009 at 10:19 PM

    Yardbroom
    I had a similar experience in Germany when I attended a flower show. They seemed more interested in me than the show. Especially the children , they stare at you like you’re from another planet. A german friend of mine told me she was amazed that the bottom of our feet are clear. She expected them to be black. She’s a drunken b anyway.
    I lived in Siegen Meiswinkle. They are very friendly though, I find. You realize that the little boys are coached with a football from very young? They are die-hard football fans boy. Alll the pubs are packed to captivity/capacity when a game is on. And they love their beer too. It’s the first place I ever tasted non-alcoholic beer. Amazing but true.

  • robin hood // September 2, 2009 at 10:26 PM

    @ Bonny Peppa

    Bonny, that is you!? You sure striking on all 8 cylinders tonight!

    Doan cuss mih 2 bad, though hunny.

  • Bonny Peppa // September 2, 2009 at 10:42 PM

    Robin Hood,
    Yes is me. I in cussin tonite. I behavin ma self. Or trying to.

    Nite nite Hunny to you too.

  • robin hood // September 2, 2009 at 11:16 PM

    Bonny Peppa,
    Yuh dun knows how muchie we loves ya, darlin!
    nitey, nite to you 2.

  • Bimbro // September 3, 2009 at 2:29 AM

    Adrian, it’s not a god idea to close ur eyes – u might get run-over!! Or, maybe, it’s a coping-mechanism?!!

    Georgie, congratulations on being a doctor of medicine, it’s a move up from being the civil servant which I suggested. However, u never replied to my question (about your profession). Were you using psychology then too, or simply did n’t notice it and, how does psychology help you to cope with modern life? Is it a real help or a temporary crutch which will be of no assistance to you when things get tough? I ask these questions in the hope that they won’t be too difficult for u to answer! Also, why, as a child, did u act as a man? I just wanted to play, study and ‘meet’ the girls!!

    Yardbroom, congratulations on surviving the war, however, like most Barbadians, I hope u did n’t lose your sense of humour along the way, or, did u?!! And, BTW, which war was it and, did they send u to Aden too? U may still have been a young man, then?

    Bonny, I know u don’t like me anymore but, did u ever visit the UK and, what were ur impressions of my home-country now?

  • Bimbro // September 3, 2009 at 2:34 AM

    Also, Bonny, I’ve no idea how long u were in Germany but, did u return with a german accent and did the local Bajans then have difficulty understanding u?!! – had any amusing experiences as a consequence?!!

    Ich bin ein Berliner!!

    Dats d extent uh my german bo!! Fancy visiting Hitler’s ex-country!! Did n’t it feel creepy, Bon – send a shiver down yuh spine?!!

  • Bonny Peppa // September 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM

    Bimbro
    How ya mean I in like u na moe. How ya arrive at dah Bosey.I wood stop lovin you when hell freeze ova, not befoe.
    Ya sa malicious doe, you cud ask sum questions hear. Oh Lordy. No , I nevva bin to Hingland. I got a olda brotha livin day since 1959. He’s a loony-toon doe like a lot a dem dat return back hay from jolly ol Hinglan. He’s as crazy as hell. I fritten a nuff when he hay. Real crazy but he doan tink so. We all does. On de contrary, Germany is a very beautiful country. It reminds me of my old Barbados. We never locked the back door and a neighbour was always welcome to come in and help him/herself to a cold beer which were always in abundance. I was amazed at the young people who smoke. But they are very friendly. They always speak to you when passing. NOt unmannerly a’ tall. My neighbours love classical music which is one of my two passions. You kno’ de otha passion. Won’t say. Anotha ting dat amazed me is that they don’t accept U.S currency. Have to use
    Demarks They don’t seem too keen about Americans either. You get very good quality stuff too just like in Hingland.
    No, Bimbro, I come back wid my accent in tact an my ‘busing’ too. They like to hear me say ‘r-hole’.
    Sheuse.

  • Negroman // September 3, 2009 at 11:55 AM

    Europeans and their descendants should be ashamed of their history.The history of Europeans is repleted with torture,murder & mayhem.

    The two major world wars are European inspired.The conflicts that are wrecking havoc in regions such as Asia,Africa & even in the Americas the Europeans have a hand in all of them.

    Which race of people used the atomic bomb?The murderers European.Hiroshima & Nagasaki in Japan.
    Who invaded people countries,killed their leaders and seek to control the resources of those countries?The killing Europeans.Irag,Afghanistan are recent cases.
    Who created biological .weapons to wipe out other ethnics groups?The cold blooded murderers the Europeans.The creation of the AIDS virus,Ebola & chemicals weapons.
    Who enslaved African Black People for 400 hundred years and built their riches from the sweat,tears & blood of African Black People.The corrupt,ungodly,heartless Europeans.
    The atrocities that those wicked Europeans criminals have committed & continue to commit on this earth are many & aplenty that it is virtually impossible to comment and all of them.

    Should the killing Europeans be proud of their history with a track record of destruction,murder & mayhem?

    It is not surprising the sub-human,stinking,disease ridden,smelly half make Europeans are so heartless & ruthless killers because those bastards lack a spiritual base.They corrupted African religion and used it as one of the conquering weapon to control us during slavery.Unfortunately that same weapon is in use today to keep us in subjection.

    The cold blooded killers are cannibalistic in their behavior.They love to taste blood,that is why the Europeans love to eat their meats rare with blood in it.The Europeans are a bunch of blood suckers.The contrary is true for we African people of colour.We have a true spiritual connection with our maker and will never associate ourselves or even think to carry out the atrocities that the killing Europeans perpetrated against other ethnic groups.Our spiritual base has serve us to the point that even though we are free physically and living alongside the murderers Europeans we are prepare not to challenge them.

    It is laughable those who created the notion of racial superiority,created racist institutions and benefited and are still benefiting from racial prejudices can label us Black people racist.

    The white Europeans scums must acknowledged the wrong they have done to us African Blacks and seek to compensate us.Reparations is a must.

  • Johnnie Too Bad // September 3, 2009 at 11:57 AM

    Bonny so glad you are back. You sometimes crack up the wife and me and our Guyanese maid with your spicy comments. Love you to bits.
    My only problem is you loving that Bimbro man who left Barbados in 1955 on the Surriento and has never set foot back here. How could you love such a man?
    And please have nothing to do with that Adrian, who is nothing but a proper shit stirrer. We must meet Bonny, the wife would dearly like to meet up with you.

  • Johnnie Too Bad // September 3, 2009 at 12:02 PM

    Negroman boy where did you learn your history. It is true the white man enslaved black people, but are you not forgetting yje role played by Africans themselves in selling their brothers and sisters. Do not just blame white people for all the atrocities, what about the raiding parties of some chiefs to get slaves to sell to the white man?

  • Yardbroom // September 3, 2009 at 12:02 PM

    Hi Bonny Peppa
    So many are trying to court you, I must take a back seat or I will be killed in the rush, just save the last dance for me.

    The German children were so polite and respectful on being introduced to you – I will not go into the different forms of address Germans use here – with a courteous bow before speaking. I had some pleasant times during my years there and on my departure was given a book by a dear friend (live and let live) in German of course ; perhaps a lesson for us all.

    Bimbro
    I do not like to write about myself on the blogs unless it helps to illustrate a point I am trying to make. I am not in the business of I did this, or that or I have been here or there or speak so many languages. “I” never want to be the story, perhaps that can be left to…….have you someone in mind.

    (Ich bin ein Berliner) you said, you are in good company President Kennedy got there first. To your further point, I was not in the war but I do recall the first Russian soldier I saw, was standing on a train station platform in East Berlin, he was very dark indeed, he was an officer. Resplendent in his grey overcoat, lilac epaulettes and tall calf high black boots, he cut a dashing figure. Of course I should not have been surprised, the African Abram Petrovich Gannibal ?1696-1781 was a blackamoor as recorded. Brought to Russia as a small boy – a favourite of the tsar – he became a General. He was the grandfather of Russia’s greatest writer Aleksandr Pushkin 1799-1837 it was said of him – Pushkin: ” indisputably Russia’s greatest poet, Pushkin changed literature forever”.

    Apologies to all for going off thread, I was in Berlin at a difficult time. To see people being shot and left near the wall to die and allowed to stay there for sometime before they were recovered by the East German guards “not a pleasant sight”. Or to see the Russian cemetery in East Berlin with so many graves; life is so beautiful and precious we should savour it while we can.

  • JC // September 3, 2009 at 12:20 PM

    Thanks for that information YB. Very interesting. Perhaps David can start a blog about all the languages and places persons have visited and the uniqueness of their experiences! LOL!

    Seriously though … he could!

    YB you don’t come over as being uppity atall!

  • Johnnie Too Bad // September 3, 2009 at 12:24 PM

    Yardbroom I was in both East and West Berlin prior to 1989 when the wall came down and just after it came down, and then up to two years ago with the wife. It has been all of what you say prior to 89. I even bought me a bit of the wall after it came down, was privy to East Germans selling their uniforms etc in a couple of sunday markets.
    Visited PotsDama Plats when it was little more than a bombed out site , now it is one of the most impressive pieces of real estate in Europe. Berlin might be a great city now,especially on a summer’s day in the Tier Garden but one still cannot escape the feeling of the pain in some of those crumpling creepy concrete cavernous buildings near Alexander Plats. You still get the eerriee feeling of people being shot. Otherwise not a bad country when you get out of Berlin. The wife and I even ran into a Bajan with a restaurant in Hamburg.

  • Bimbro // September 3, 2009 at 2:07 PM

    Hi Bonny, thanks for that dear. I’m pleased to see u had a great time over there. I’ve got an old Jamaican girlfriend of mine who lives there. Met some German, white man ova hay, nex ting is duh getting married an they’ve lived there for years! This is a girl I grew up wid locally, an if, years ago, anybody had ever told either of us that one day she’d be living in Germany, we’d have thought they were mad! Anyhow, not really surprised he fancied her! Girl was pretty as hell and, still is, even today!! Life is so strange!!

    Bonny, why do u say ur brother’s mad!! What’s so mad about him! What does he do or say which is so very different from d Bajees!!

    Johnnie, u know enuf ’bout me!! And, d fack is dat, u don’t!! So, keep guessing!!

    lol!!

    Yardbroom, thank you for that illucidating piece! I don’t just visit here ‘to make sport’ but also to try to obtain some knowledge whenever I can. I’m reasonably acquainted with the history of Russian writers, Tsarian history, communism-era, etc! However, I’m still struggling to comprehend precisely when u were there and in what role. Were you not in the forces, an observer and just prior to the end of the war or just after! Do illucidate!! I’m interested in that period of European history!! Even if u were in the Secret Service, so many years have transpired plus, nobody knows precisely who u r that you can enlighten us a bit as to what really happened. At least to the extent that you consider, judicious!! Also, have u read Soltzhenitsin’s ‘The Gulag Archipelago’!! Yard, doan expek me tuh spell all dose names correckly man!! I in nuh encyclopedia plus, I in intrested to dat extent!! lol!!

    I’ve had that book on my bookshelf for years and have n’t read it, yet! Have u? and, care to share ur thoughts on it?!!

  • Bimbro // September 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM

    YB, if u were there at the time, did u c Hitler’s bunker and the site of his cremation?! Must have been fascinating if u did!!

  • Pat // September 3, 2009 at 2:52 PM

    @ Bonny Peppa

    What is with this English! Some days ago you included some French. Dont you know that you and Bimbro, Adrian and probably myself, are part o f the “less educated” Bajans who dont know how to switch from lingo to English?

    LIB and the other white folks on this board want us all to speak their language. Did you not see the comment?

    I was in Jamaica over Christmas and New year. I wanted to hear some Caribbean news and asked the manager what the local station was. Lo and behold, I could not understand much of anything. They spoke Jamaican on TV! Even the police inspector who was talking about the first murder of this year! Even the local MPs. It is their language. But we Bajans are expected to cowtow to others.

    By the way I have had similar experiences in Canada with the kids in Saskatchewan and the Yukon. I was with an exhibition and school groups came in. They just stared until their eyes were like saucers. One of my colleagues realized what was happening and whispered that I was probably the first black person they had seen.

    So, I chatted with them and asked. I let them touch my arm and the kids looked at their hands after. I let them feel my hair (afro at the time) and they told me it was so soft.

    One young lad fell in love instantly. Hans about 12, chatted me up all afternoon until dinner break. He told me he was too young for me, so he was going to bring down his Dad. Lo and behold at 7:00 pm who walked in but Hans and his Dad Heinz! Both Germans! lol! The staff was hilarious.

  • Bimbro // September 3, 2009 at 3:37 PM

    Pat, that’s amusing but, the Yukon and Saskatchewan! Lord, those r names I’ve hardly heard since my schoolboy geography lessons days! I thought all the blacks lived in Toronto and Ottawa or, nearly, judging from the reaction of those kids! They sound very remote areas of Canada, Pat? Hardly, any other blacks there?!!

  • JC // September 3, 2009 at 3:41 PM

    Pat you lie ha ha ha lol!

  • Yardbroom // September 3, 2009 at 4:50 PM

    Johnnie Too Bad
    Of all the places I visited in Berlin the Olympic Stadium was my favourite. One day on my own I went to the stadium…my friends thought I was mad there was nothing on. In those days before all the security of today, I just walked through the gates. I went into the stands and looked down on the arena where Jessie Owens won his gold medals at the Olympics. The stadium was so quiet and all those old movie clips I had seen came before me. Since then the stadium has been changed, with more seating etc…but those images are fixed in my mind.

    @Bimbro
    I cannot answer questions all the time you might not believe it…but I do other things and you always come with another…but because it is you.

    However, I have read Aleksandra Solzheitsyn’s The Gulag Archipelago as far as Solzheitsyn is concerned what I learnt most from him is how the pull of home reaches out to those who are far away from it. After his sojourn in America and the money he made it was Russia he wanted to return to despite all that had happened.

    Russian Authors: Leo Tolstoy with him you must have time, I like Pushkin perhaps best of all. Ivan Turgenev I find complicated but for relaxation and an easy style, Anton Chekhov is my man …just a personal opinion.

    I did see Hitler’s bunker it was grassed over when seen from a distance we were not able to enter. That was less than twenty years after the war, I do not know what recent changes have been made. Germany is unified the bunker was in East Germany …as was then.

    I spent some time next door to Spandau ( the prison) I was not an inmate. Rudolph Hess, Hitler’s deputy was imprisoned there at the time…but that is a long story.

  • Gear Box // September 3, 2009 at 6:33 PM

    Dah day a German shepherd bite me like ah hamburger.. had mah berlin’ like a krout…

    AAAAAAAAAAAGhhhhhhhhhhh

  • Checkit-out // September 3, 2009 at 7:15 PM

    Gear Box

    Nice !!!!!!

  • Bonny Peppa // September 3, 2009 at 7:19 PM

    Johnny 2 Bad,
    All wunna like me, even de GT maid? Wah bout de dog n’ cat? You is bare trouble bosey but I luffs wunna tu. Bimbro is my boo. He aw-rite.

    Yardbroom,
    You’re such a gentle-soul. You make me blush. Oh dearrrrrrrrrrr.But yes, both children n adults are very polite. I was given a ‘good-luck’ sash to tie anywhere in my home. It like it in wukking doe. :) I was dining at a restaurant one evening and when introduced to the Chinese owner, he asked my German friend if I was from Africa. I laff hard as shite ta myself. I tasted venison there for the first time. Bon apetite. My neighbour and his wife were in the habit of bathing naked in their pool all the time. I would get a free ‘peep-show’. They even invited me over occasionally.I never accepted. Probably were thinking manage-au-trois. You bad.
    It’s the only place I’ve seen roses in all colours.

    Bimbro,
    How come you leh dah purty J’can gurl elude your grasp? You mek me shame man. stupseeeeeeeeeeee.
    Most persons who emigrated to Hingland in the 50’s were considered mad on their return home. I don’t know why but I never could understand it. I serious. If my brother isn’t a loony-toon,I am. He is one crazy bitch Bim. By word n’ action. Trust me. So you betta escape while ya ahead. Jinkins full. Ya chan sah I in tell ya. (kissssssss)

    Pat,
    I doan mind de ‘nuckleheads’. Dem jellus a we. I see you fix he good, do I in worry my head. He cud only want a good ‘busing’. I visited Toronto a million times. Have famlee there. What a clean beautiful place. I have a sista i Newfoundland and a good frien in Montreal. She spokes francois.
    You did in good grazing girl wid dat German fella. Why you din pursue de matter? Dem fellas real romantic girl. Dem kno’ how to woo girl. Ya miss a good chance. But where there’s life there’s hope, so ya nevva kno.

  • Pat // September 3, 2009 at 7:27 PM

    JC // September 3, 2009 at 3:41 PM

    Pat you lie ha ha ha lol!
    *****************************

    Not this time sweetheart. It was in the 1970’s. The kids asked me if I knew Florida. I thought they meant the State in the US. I had been there and proceeded to talk about Florida and Disney World, when the teacher told me they were asking about “Florida” the character in a TV show, Good Times I think it was. lol!

    The poor kids were amazed that I did not know her, they probably assumed that we all knew each other, seeing she was probably the only black on Saskatchewan TV at the time. ha ha ha.

    Let me tell you. I enjoyed that job. Every town I went to, some nice lady said, you must be dying for a good home cooked meal and invited me for dinner. They never invited the Canadians. You have no idea how much dinner allowances I pocketed.

    I ate some queer things too. Moose lips, beaver, black bear or was it brown? Oolichans, grayling a fresh water fish, arctic char and a jam made from bear fat and choke cherry – without sugar. yuck!

  • Pat // September 3, 2009 at 7:38 PM

    @ Bonny Peppa

    Girl that German was cute and blonde. Tall, slim and a chartered accountant. He did ask me out, but I was on a tight schedule. Had to leave the next morning for Dawson City. I met him in Whitehorse. From the Yukon we went into Alaska so did not get to retrace my steps. Came down from Alaska by ferry to Seattle, drove to Vancouver where we spent a day or two and flew back to the nation’s capital. It was a 6 weeks trip.

  • Bonny Peppa // September 3, 2009 at 7:39 PM

    Pat,
    Girl, I eat some strange looking tings in Germany too. But I learn real quick dat when in Rome do as they do. So i eat widout asking questions. If um stan down, I kno dat my consumption real good. Doan tell me wah um is cause i mite vomit. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  • Bimbro // September 4, 2009 at 3:21 AM

    “I never want to be the story, perhaps that can be left to…….have you someone in mind.”

    ************

    Yardbroom, I have n’t the foggiest idea who u were referring to!!

    Laaaaaaddddddddddddddd!!

    Ok, YB, u caused me to do a lot of back-checking to see u were in Germany after the war. I don’t know why you don’t say precisely when and tell us some more about your experiences there. Were u in any of the armed forces? What were you doing there, precisely? Did u actually c anybody get shot at ‘the Wall’ or shoot anybody!! YB, yuh too secretive man!! It was a long time ago! Nobody’s going to worry, any more!!

    YB, u were a right, little romantic then, were n’t u, over the stadium and Jesse Owens!! Now, here’s a question for u to exercise your grey-matter!! Do you think the whole war, Nazi-Jewish, holocaust could happen again, perhaps, next time, involving different victims and, if so, where and when?!!

    I was actually more interested in what u thought of the story, ‘The Gulag Archipelago’ and the experiences contained within it rather so much, than about Solzhinitsin himself! Give one or two examples of the most moving occurrances in the book that u found!! Also, have u any thoughts on why a remote country, so far away from the West has produced these literary-greats!!

    Thanks, YB, I know all about Hess and his failed mission to arrange an understanding with the west which led to his being imprisoned in Spandau! Never assumed u were a prisoner there!!

    Lord!!

    Finally, re: this:

    “Good manners should never be seen as a sign of weakness and are available to all Black, White, Rich and Poor and I learnt that from a poor black woman in Barbados…who never once left these shores.”

    **************

    Well YB, ur account of the importance of good manners does n’t seem to apply any more, according to Bonny and others. The Barbadian women of today just seem to want some quick, foolish-line to get them into bed and romance is out the door as I discovered when I tried to chat-up Rihanna, above!! Well, u live in Bim YB, so do the Bajan women of today, prove what the old lady said to be nonsense!!

  • Bimbro // September 4, 2009 at 3:39 AM

    Hi Bonny, tuh tell u d trufe, I’m a little ashamed uh dat, myself, but honest Bon, the girl wus so pretty dat d men were just lining-up to *crew she man!! an, I wus young and d same age as she an did n’t really stan much of a chance! You know, those guys were older, better-off, more experienced than me and everything else!! We were best-friends and spent a lot of innocent time together although I was dying to **** her but she said ‘no’!! Anyhow, years later, we bumped into each other again and were delighted to c each other and she was interested then but, by that time, I’d had many experiences of my own and was n’t so interested then!! She’s still amazingly beautiful, even today. I’ve lost her no. in Germany but hope to get it again when, sometime or other, I bump into one of her brothers or sisters, or even her, when she pops back here for a visit. She has a great, lively personality. A real joy to know!!

    Yeah Bonny, but u still in tell me wha it is, or not, dat he/they does which causes u to say that about ur brother!! I’m sure he does n’t carry an umbrella in the midday sun (although that might not be such a bad idea) so, wha it is! Give me some examples man or, I hear, it could jus be dat d locals jealous uh d Brits!!

    Pat, ‘thanks’ for ignoring my questions to yuh!! Yuh Bajan, u!!

    Lord!!

  • Wishing In Vain // September 4, 2009 at 7:15 AM

    Mia’s obsession

    This week, the country has been subjected to the mouthing off of the former MP for St James South. On Sunday, August 30, 2009, the vociferous Senator Elizabeth Thompson called for support for her new leader.

    The former Member of Parliament for St James South, turned Senator, has now become the mouthpiece for the Opposition Leader. This lady of the Opposition has finally found her place in politics. She has landed the job of Mia’s whip. She whips out her tongue on every issue facing the Opposition. She is the lone choice for the television discussions and public endorsements.

    In this aspect, she has little regard for the chairman of the Party, George Payne. Payne was noticeably absent from yet another of Mia’s nomination meetings in St. Philip over the last weekend. It is clear that the only person calling for public support for Mia is Senator Thompson. She has not gotten any public support from the chairman and it seems like he has no intention of throwing any public support behind his parliamentary comrade either.

    The Opposition leader’s political caravan seems to be getting smaller and smaller. Out of the nine sitting Members of Parliament, she was able to resurrect the retired Rudolph ‘Cappy’ Greenidge as part of the heavyweights.

    We are well aware of what Payne’s wishes are for the Opposition Leader and his ambitions for leadership. The dynamic duo of Payne and Marshall has forced the Opposition Leader to summon some sleeping troops to aid in her political ambitions. Mia’s obsession with leadership has divided the Party into some clear factions. The pathetic public display, week after week, of parading handpicked candidates is beginning to paint a picture of a leader who is disconnected from the issues.

    The recent Cadres polls cemented in her party member’s minds that she is not the person to lead the Opposition. What is incredible is the fact that she continues, in the face of this revealing evidence, to trumpet her leadership skills.

    The recent addition to the Mia list is a virtual unknown in the community but fits her bill. The first-timer has identified “a better housing deal” as a priority. Mistake number one. A virtual unknown who goes up against one of the most hard working Ministers of Housing calling for a better housing deal. This surely cannot be a platform upon which he intends to launch his campaign. Minister Lashley was on the job from day one and has not slept a wink in an effort to promote the House Every Last Person (H.E.L.P ) initiative. If we were to advise the newcomer, we would suggest that he seeks additional counsel outside of the Mias and the Lizes. They both totalled failed effort.

    The constituents of St. Philip have elected in Michael Lashley what defines a Member of Parliament and they have gotten what constitutes a Minister. They voted for an MP and got the entire package.

  • Inkwell // September 4, 2009 at 8:02 AM

    It is indeed interesting that Bush Tea has not seen fit to respond to my post of September 2, 2009 at 12:54 PM. in continuance of a quite civilized debate we were having.

    Dare I assume that BT by his silence admits defeat?

  • Anonymous // September 4, 2009 at 8:37 AM

    Yes finally showing his “face” WIV” tries desperately to divert this blog off of his heavy handed gestapo like attempt at “managing the media” on to what the poll was designed to do in the first place :) talk about the Mottley/Arthur issue.

    The higher the monkey climbs the more you see his tail

  • Wishing In Vain // September 4, 2009 at 8:43 AM

    You are obviously a blinded BLP supporter that fails to come to grips with the fact that the defuct leadership of your former masters had a nasty and vile habit of calling reporters at 4.00 am in the morning and blistering them with curse and the most abusive manner, your leadership did so not this the leadership of this great party the DLP YOU WOULD NEVER HERE OUR PM CALLING SOME ONE AT 4.00 AM TO BLISTER THEM IN THE MOST ABUSIVE MANNER POSSIBLE.

  • Bimbro // September 4, 2009 at 8:49 AM

    YB, please ask the wife an kids to leave u alone for a while so u can reply to my questions!! Bless um!! :)

  • Anonymous // September 4, 2009 at 8:50 AM

    No he sends his slimy little emissary to threaten them with disgrace, and then carries out those threats when he gets called on it.

    Whatever OSA did doesn’t make you or your boss any less of a slimeball Hartley.

  • Wishing In Vain // September 4, 2009 at 9:00 AM

    Hey Parro in a suit Greenidge get used to the fact that you got kicked out of office and come to grips with exactly why the voters kicked your ass out then come back and talk some sense.

    You may also want to tell the public who your leader maybe because clearly from the polls Owing has Mottley by the balls and it is hurting her pride, what pride she may have left, actually it maybe the best course of action for Owing to try to revive the party and remove the eliteism and entiltlement factor that is attached to the Mottley idea.

  • Anonymous // September 4, 2009 at 9:00 AM

    While we’re at it……

    perhaps WIV you would like to comment about how this “great party” as you put it can come to power saying cost of living is their number one priority and then raise the price of everything?

    Yes I’ll admit the fuel subsidy was unsustainable in it’s original form but the chaos that ensued in its overnight removal is the DLP’s baby.

    Tell us about how the DLP bungled the offshore exploration bidding process by not even living up to the deadlines that the government had committed to. Tell us please.

    This great party that curses the private sector for laying off people, but then proceeds to do the same thing? The night of the long knives is in progress for sure. The quote “Today is a funny night” has never been more apt.

    How about Thompy raising road tax last budget to “pay for the highway” but then borrowing from the BNB this year for the same thing?

    Yes this great party feels great concern for the plight of the working man but forgives the Barbados Turf Club’s debt (a first for any party in the history of independant Barbados) and talks of increasing water rates.

    Yes WIV tell us all about this great party that has presided over the largest and fastest jump in foreign debt in the history of the island.

    Tell us also about what the plan is to sustain employment which continues to rise, because we have yet to hear anything coherent from your “Great leader”.

    Tell us when the DLP is going to stop trying to excuse their lack of performance or coherence by referring to something the BLP did.

  • Anonymous // September 4, 2009 at 9:04 AM

    And no everyone who criticises you on this blog is not Sylvan Greenidge or a BLP stooge.

    Your great party is a great failure

  • Wishing In Vain // September 4, 2009 at 9:07 AM

    Let me for one suggest to you that had the prison been built at the original budgeted cost of US $ 60 million and not filtered away to your friends bank accounts the tidy sum betwwen the budgeted cost and the mammoth over run cost that saw it close off at at US $ 122 million that of course all of us would be much better off as result on these savings but no you made sure to line your pockets first and foremost don’t lets start on how corrupt and dishonest you lot were after all you and the other slime ball Bovell know how you stole the hams and the turkeys and the hampers that were earmarked for the poor and the needy.

  • Wishing In Vain // September 4, 2009 at 9:10 AM

    And no everyone who criticises you on this blog is not Sylvan Greenidge or a BLP stooge.

    Ha ha ha but sadly you cannot hide you are so like a stuck record that your style is clearly defined and know you are THE PARRO IN THE SUIT GREENIDGE.

  • Anonymous // September 4, 2009 at 9:13 AM

    Hartley,

    I’m not Sylvan who you are so obsessed with. We voted the BLP out for their transgressions. Let’s discuss your failures shall we?

    You seem unable to grasp the last point of my earlier post. I’ll repeat it for you if you are being a little slow this morning…..

    “Tell us when the DLP is going to stop trying to excuse their lack of performance or coherence by referring to something the BLP did.”

    Somehow this appears to be somewhat difficult for you.

  • Wishing In Vain // September 4, 2009 at 9:28 AM

    Lets discuss the obvious dislike by the public with Mottley’s lack of leadership and the results of the poll that shows that Owing is the leader of choice over the acting leader.

    Or the glaring fact that 90 % of the people are happy that intergity has returned to office with the installation of the PRIME MINISTER THE HON MR DAVID THOMPSON QC, MP,

  • Anonymous // September 4, 2009 at 9:47 AM

    Hartley, Hartley, Hartley….

    Your party is in Government.

    You are responsible now.

    I’m not going to let you divert a thread that’s about you threatening a newspaper editor with a red herring about an opinion poll of dubious nature which was conducted by a member of the party faithful and carefully edited for the information that was released to the public.

    You were SO concerned with your carefully crafted PR poll that you felt that you had to threaten an newspaper editor and publisher to get it published.

    Further you were so stupid that when they called you on the threat you went and proved to the world that you DID threaten the media. Had you shut up you could have accused them of lying, but no, you went and proved to the world that the DLP is willing to go to any lengths to surpress critics.

    Not a smart move, even for a slimeball like you.

  • Wishing In Vain // September 4, 2009 at 9:50 AM

    And again tel me more on these two items the public would like a blp view on why Mottley is so hated among the voters ???

    Lets discuss the obvious dislike by the public with Mottley’s lack of leadership and the results of the poll that shows that Owing is the leader of choice over the acting leader.

    Or the glaring fact that 90 % of the people are happy that intergity has returned to office with the installation of the PRIME MINISTER THE HON MR DAVID THOMPSON QC, MP,

  • Anonymous // September 4, 2009 at 9:59 AM

    Hartley,

    Let’s talk about this poll that was conducted by a party member, and then edited by the DLP before it was released to the public and before you threatened a newspaper editor and publisher to get it published.

    Don’t you feel a little concerned that only 43% felt that it wasn’t necessary to change the government? That those saying that it was time to change and those who won’t give their opinion also equaled 43%? Now given that you are threatening newspaper editors to suppress criticism isn’t it a wonder why so many people WON’T give their opinion to an obviously biassed poll taker?

    Aren’t you worried by the fact that so early in their term you can’t even secure a majority of people who feel that it isn’t time to secure the government? And let’s remember this is a poll done by the party faithful for DLP PR purposes so if you’ve modified it to this extent what was the true nature of that statistic?

    And, just to keep this in people’s mind….

    Remember everyone Hartley Henry threatened a newspaper editor to suppress anti government opinion. Tactics the Gestapo would be proud of.

    Isn’t that right Herr Hartley?

  • Anonymous // September 4, 2009 at 10:18 AM

    Pleaseeeee Anon I can’t stand Peter Wickham. However I find he is not buyous in his polling (JOB) . I consider him to be a very good pollster.

    This is the same PW who although we know he is ALLL LLL for illegal immigration yet, telling us the public that MOST barbadians are for manage migration policy. Therefore, I find it saddddd that you come here and talk such pitthle and expect us the public to believe your ‘party!’

    Spare us your bulllll oops I meant #######! Fill in the blanks!

  • Anonymous // September 4, 2009 at 10:30 AM

    let’s all remember who paid for this poll and who released it. And who had a chance to remove any information before it was released.
    And bias can easily be expressed in the framing of the questionaire, not just in the reporting of the responses.

  • Tell Me Why // September 4, 2009 at 10:59 AM

    WIV . You are behaving like a chicken without a head. You keep stating I am this “Greeenidge” yet you are calling Annonymous the same “Greenidge”. What we can honestly state that you and you alone is Hartley…”the Caribbean spin-doctor and political strategist.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 4, 2009 at 12:19 PM

    It does not matter what anonymous people think about the poll. It does not matter who commissioned it. What matters is the reaction of the two political leaders to its contents. We know what Thompson’s views are. We recently heard Mia’s (she is not surprise by it) and more recently, we heard Liz Thompson imploring BLP MEMBERS to support Mia Mottley as political Leader.

    This is a very interesting call, and it does more than legitimize the poll results. Liz Thompson once penned a nation newspaper article, expressing concern about the hold that Owen Arthur had on the BLP successes at the poll, stating, “At some point we will have to address this”

    Up to that time, the BLP had entered two elections with slogans riding on Owen’s popularity and the affection the public had for him. We all can remember the slogans “Going with Owen” and “Owen now more than ever”.

    Liz was correct then and now, the BLP never dealt with this “eggs in one basket” problem, and so they entered the 2008 election, trying to convince Barbadians they need “Owen now, more than ever”, because “Barbados now is better than ever”.

    It failed and whatever the reason and or rationale for Owen relinquishing the Leadership of the party and Mia assuming the role, it leaves the BLP to confront in an uncharacteristically public manner, the issue of Leadership in a post Owen Arthur era.

  • Pat // September 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM

    @ Bimbro:

    “Pat, ‘thanks’ for ignoring my questions to yuh!! Yuh Bajan, u!!

    Lord!!”
    *****************************

    Sorry Bimbro, what questions? I read these blogs only at night (just before sleep). Today is an exception as I am down stairs doing laundry and waiting on the machines.

    Ask me again nuh.

  • Pat // September 4, 2009 at 12:28 PM

    @ Bimbro:

    I preferred your 199 ‘alter ego’. You were better with that persona. More lucid and intelligent. So much so, that you even fooled the Technician. With Bimbro, people take you for a “mock stick”. Remember that phrase?

  • ROK // September 4, 2009 at 12:31 PM

    @RH
    “Just one question, though. Would this confiscation also apply to corrupt politicians as well?”

    Of course the law should apply equally to everybody.

  • Bush Tea // September 4, 2009 at 12:36 PM

    @Inkwell
    It is indeed interesting that Bush Tea has not seen fit to respond to my post of September 2, 2009 at 12:54 PM. in continuance of a quite civilized debate we were having.

    Dare I assume that BT by his silence admits defeat?
    *************************************
    Inkwell, Bush tea has no need to have the last say in any matter. I believe that I have made my point and I certainly have seen enough of your position to adjudge where you are coming from…

    Clearly, while I am prepared to give Negroman the benefit of the doubt and presume him to be a typical boisterous, harmless, Bajan until he proves otherwise- you are keen to assume the worst (and lord only knows what action you would take if you knew who he was and you had the power. Of course if you were a typical racist we could take a good guess LOL)

    Just as Bush Tea chooses to assume that you are an intelligent, caring citizen despite disagreeing with your position, so I also choose to presume positively about Negroman.
    ..Apparently, this is where we differ – no need for extensive debate…. if it will make you happy, feel free to have him lynched…

  • Adrian Hinds // September 4, 2009 at 12:39 PM

    @ “Dry” Inkwell:

    It is indeed interesting that Bush Tea has not seen fit to respond to my post of September 2, 2009 at 12:54 PM. in continuance of a quite civilized debate we were having.
    Dare I assume that BT by his silence admits defeat?
    ———————————————–

    ALERT!
    The above requires a comma after DEBATE.
    I assume Bush Tea is saying that the above serve no real purpose, and therefore does not warrant a response.

    LOL!

  • Bimbro // September 4, 2009 at 12:55 PM

    Hi Pat, yes, I do remember the phrase and, they can take me for what they like but, when I become PM, then they’ll c!!

    Lord!!

    Would u like me to become PM, Pat!!

    Here’s the earlier remark/question, Pat!:

    Bimbro // September 3, 2009 at 3:37 PM

    Pat, that’s amusing but, the Yukon and Saskatchewan! Lord, those r names I’ve hardly heard since my schoolboy geography lessons days! I thought all the blacks lived in Toronto and Ottawa or, nearly, judging from the reaction of those kids! They sound very remote areas of Canada, Pat? Hardly, any other blacks there?!!

  • Yardbroom // September 4, 2009 at 12:56 PM

    @ Bimbro
    “I” cannot constantly go off thread, those who are interested in a specific topic – as headed – should be allowed to enjoy it…sorry.

  • Bimbro // September 4, 2009 at 1:04 PM

    YB, u worrying too much man!! There’s every reason why they should b just as interested as I am. It’s an interesting subject. As u know, we can’t easily commence our own subjects here, even though I asked Dave to create such a website, years ago, a la TILII but, as usual, he completely ignored me! He just does n’t like me. Nonetheless, WW2 IS an interesting subject which has defined all our presents and our future so, why should n’t they wish to learn more about it!! Come on Y, ur an ex-soldier so, be brave!! Answer d questions, man!!

  • Pat // September 4, 2009 at 1:34 PM

    @Bimbro,

    … in those days most blacks did indeed live in Toronto, MOntreal, Winnipeg, and the larger cities. There were a few families in Regina, one in Weyburn, two in Moose Jaw but several in Saskatoon. The other small towns, mostly farming, had no blacks at all and ne’er and Indian (native) although I did meet a Jamaican teacher in Fort Q’Appelle, and a Sihk in Moosomin.

    In the Yukon, there were none. Not even at the lead/zinc/gold mine at Faro. I quit that job in 1980. Got tired of living out of a suitcase.

  • Bimbro // September 4, 2009 at 1:49 PM

    Ok Pat, thanks for that! Canada, ‘the big country’!! Did u visit Yellowstone Park or, is that in the US!!

  • Bimbro // September 4, 2009 at 2:04 PM

    YB, I’m trying to further my education here man, via u! Dave would be entirely in favour of dah!! so, go ahead! He’ll understand!!

  • Inkwell // September 4, 2009 at 5:40 PM

    Bush Tea,

    I knew that dig about admitting defeat would rouse you. I think on sober reflection you would have to admit that, while Negroman may well be a typical harmless, boisterous Bajan whose bark may be worse than his bite, his contributions come across as those of a very angry person…why he has even gone so far as to threaten physical violence and incite other posters to violence. To quote him “Brother Scout I feel like you.I do not give a damn if David ban me either or edit this posting.I am totally piss to f–k off and it is all out war. Sir shridath Ramphal talk about ethnic cleansing I am about to start ethnic cleansing.Physical confrontation must be order of day now in Barbados.

    Scout,JC.& the rest let start revolution.”

    Man, talk like that is scary to me, a Bajan, much less to a non national, and as has been noted elsewhere, the comments have been allowed to stand. Iappreciate that this is in pursuance of the blog’s “freedom of speech policy”.

    In my opinion, David, as a responsible blog host who ought to have the wider interest of Barbados at heart along with his commitment to free speech, ought to have distanced himself from that comment in order to dispel the damaging perception otherwise put abroad, that the blog administration is itself racist. That’s my greatest concern.

    I have no wish to harm Negroman on account of his views. I just find them unfortunate and unenlightened in this day and age.

  • Bush Tea // September 4, 2009 at 6:56 PM

    You will never understand Inkwell. ….my point is -Judge not!!

    I find your position to be unfortunate and unenlightened too, but no thought of harm ever even crossed my mind…. nor would I forgive David should he even think to ban you….
    I don’t have one rule for you and another for NM.

    Think carefully about it. Most of the problems of this world come from persons judging others and taking strong positions and actions BASED ON THEIR OWN PERSONAL STANDARDS. As I have been trying to say, this is the essence of racism.

    Essentially, you are condemning NM because he may not be able to express his justifiable anger in a manner that is pleasing to you…… same reason Bush bombed Iraq, and why Israelis kill Palestinians and vice versa…

    Love is about learning to see the other perspective, to appreciating difference, assisting NM to improve where he is weak and guiding him where he has a point.

    …but I do admit that it would be much simpler (and more self-righteous) to lynch him….

  • David // September 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM

    @Inkwell

    It should be obvious to all the opinions of commenters are not necessarily always held by BU. To make sure this is understood we have included it in our Comments Policy.

  • Ebenezer // September 4, 2009 at 7:29 PM

    When did you include that in your comments policy David? Very recently?

  • sylvan // September 4, 2009 at 7:29 PM

    i and barbados still waiting on big fat mamma mia to answer the questions. as bumba say one time, we want to know.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 4, 2009 at 7:31 PM

    You.I [space required ]

    Posting.I [space required]

    shridath [Names should be capitalized]

    Rafeal – [the man’s last name is Ramphal]

    Iappreciate [requires a space]

    I do not know if you were trying to save on ink, but spaces don’t require any and the amount saved by forming a lower case s instead of an upper case one is negligible. Lol!

    —————————
    Is it possible that you are just an intolerant person, intent on hiding this defect under false concerns cooked up by the anti-Black Barbados BFP and apparently believed by you that this blog’s Administrator is racist on their say so? Very few of the regulars here if any, believes such and if BFP’s traffic statistics are indeed accurate neither does the visitors to their site as is evident by their declining numbers.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 4, 2009 at 7:43 PM

    Bush Tea // September 4, 2009 at 6:56 PM

    You will never understand Inkwell. ….my point is -Judge not!!
    ————————————————
    Inkwell not judge others? Can the man exist without so doing? “Judge not” are like daggers plunged into his elitist, condescending heart.

  • Bonny Peppa // September 4, 2009 at 8:04 PM

    Adrian,
    All those in favour say ‘aye’. I think the ‘ayes’ have it.

    Inkwell,
    Ya unadulterated KLOWN.
    I survived your assassin.
    YA KLOWN.

  • Bonny Peppa // September 4, 2009 at 8:05 PM

    i.e ‘assassination’ .

  • David // September 4, 2009 at 8:11 PM

    Why don’t you all leave Inkwell? The truth is BU does not detect any malice in Inkwell’s comments. He is voicing his opinion to which he is entitled.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 4, 2009 at 8:23 PM

    David // September 4, 2009 at 8:11 PM

    Why don’t you all leave Inkwell? The truth is BU does not detect any malice in Inkwell’s comments. He is voicing his opinion to which he is entitled.
    ————————————————-

    Sorry David only when I become bored can I think of leaving him alone. Moreover, he does not understand what I write anyway. This negrocrat is too high up on Olympus looking down at me a mere mortal, to have the time to decipher my incoherency, and so I will continue, whenever he comes down from on high and give of his wisdom.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 4, 2009 at 10:10 PM

    With one fell swoop, Inkwell may have been knocked off his intolerant perch, by being cast as “unenlightened” by someone he may have considered to be of liked intelligence and worthy of his time to converse with. However, he is likely to resume his perch and carry on as if nothing has occurred. How cruel of you Bush Tea. Inkwell needed you to help demonstrate to us of lesser intellect that he is an intellectual heavy weight. He may now have to wonder how many more on this blog believe as I do that he is not. ha ha ha lol!

  • Gear Box // September 4, 2009 at 10:55 PM

    Inkwell work fah de IMF an’ still livin’ in Barbados…

    AAAAAAAAAghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    AAAAAAAAAghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  • Bimbro // September 5, 2009 at 3:03 AM

    Yardbroom, man, u is a real spoil-sport man!! I’m disappointed!!

  • Inkwell // September 5, 2009 at 8:17 AM

    David,

    At the risk of belaboring the point, I felt that it would be undesirable for BU to be labeled a “racist blog”, (as it has been, and not only on BFP, but in general conversation in the society), as opposed to a blog on which racist comments are permitted, but if that does not bother you, so be it.

  • ROK // September 5, 2009 at 8:35 AM

    @Inkwell

    BU cannot be classified as a racists blog. None of the threads deal with racism but with slavery which was perpetrated under the belief that the white man is superior. We are complaining about racism here not perpetrating it.

    All of you people out there who want to try to label this a racists blog should visit the true racists blogs and get on their backs. Shut them up. Don’t come here trying to sell lies and deceitfulness.

    look at the variety of thread that make up this blog; education; roadworks, freedom of speech; freedom of the press; poverty; the economy; politics; corruption; etc. but you take the particular topic of slavery and because on those threads there are complaints of racism, you want to label the entire blog as racist.

    Now to me, that is not only a sign of guilt but an attempt to muzzle free speech… but more dangerous is that it is an attempt to prevent the victims from coming to grips with the crime.

    A people without a history is doomed to repeat the past. It therefore seems to be our right to discuss what happened to us in the past. We did not perpetrate it on ourselves so those who perpetrated it should stand aside.

    Certainly 40 or 50 years of talking about it and you hearing it, cannot compare with 400 years of feeling it. If this is painful for you with even a touch, imagine what it was for us that endured the pain inflicted?

    Hold a corner. We have our rights. They had no right but did it nevertheless.

  • Rickey George // September 5, 2009 at 8:58 AM

    ROK, ‘BU cannot be classified as a racists blog. None of the threads deal with racism but with slavery which was perpetrated under the belief that the white man is superior. We are complaining about racism here not perpetrating it.’ Of course, it can. Racism is a series of core beliefs, and does not relate only to the topic of discussion. There is ample evidence that racist beliefs are at the core of many commentators’ views, as are sexism, and other forms of -isms, as are envy.

    Your argument is indeed like that of many racists who may do deeds that are clearly discriminatory on racial grounds but then cry in defence by saying ‘We never said that they were not welcome’. The ends can show the intent as clearly as the words.
    You may want to argue that other adjectives should be there, but ‘racist’ can stand.

  • Inkwell // September 5, 2009 at 9:13 AM

    ROK,

    On the subject of reparations, which I know is dear to you, I submit that it is futile to approach from a monetary perspective. The question of how much is to be paid, by whom and to whom will be drawn out interminably. The possibility of any individual getting his hands on any actual cash is remote, (sorry to disappoint you).

    The only just and proper solution is for the white race to give back to the black race a period of “slavery”, say 200 years.

    Just think how we could advance in Africa and the diaspora with 200 years of free labour. Think about it.

  • ROK // September 5, 2009 at 9:38 AM

    @Inkwell

    You are pathetic. You really feel you could dangle them kind of carrots in front of me?

    First, to give a realistic answer to your question, those who are able to trace their ancestor back to slaves should collect some money… we will find a way to compensate those who can’t.

    However, this is not about money, it is about the system. If every person had the opportunity across the board that racism affords to white, we could pull ourselves up as Pat asserts…

    but so long as the banks keep bouncing cheques and breaking and entering their customers accounts to take out penalties for bounced cheques rather than give an overdraft; and so long as we are treated as risks when it comes to borrowing money for business or otherwise; there will never be justice and racism will continue to underpin the philosophy of our economic, social and political system.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 5, 2009 at 10:10 AM

    Inkwell the intellectual that I am not, has been described as “unenlightened”.
    So far, for the morning, he has been linked to lies, deceit, and labeled as pathetic. All resulting from contributions that are grammatically correct, contain no spelling mistakes and that can be said to demonstrate his intellectual strengths.

    @Rok:
    I once heard part of a speech delivered by Hillary Beckles on the topic of reperations. He seem to be pro reperations and was laying an argument to support his position. I would love to hear that speech, but have no idea how to get ahold of Hillary’s writings. Any thoughts on how?

  • ROK // September 5, 2009 at 11:06 AM

    @Rickey George

    I am not a racist. None of my core beliefs are based on black as superior. I have not advocated that whites are treated as less than human.

    So what you saying? I can’t talk about what has been perpetrated against me and still continues to be perpetrated?

    All this pointing of fingers and shouting charges of racism is a mere ploy to sweep under the carpet what is essentially the core values of the racist themselves. They feel so superior that they feel that they are the only race with a license to perpetrate racism; anybody who criticises it is inferior and should not be allowed to criticise.

    Is that what you telling me? Are you saying that slavery was not based on the superiority of the white race as its core value?

    Are you saying that racism does not exist in Barbados and is not perpetrated by the “so-called” whites of Barbados?

    Are you saying that this racism and the idea that the white man is superior should be allowed to continue unchallenged?

    Exactly what are you saying because the racism that exist today is a remnant of slavery too. Why don’t you tell your white friends to forget the past too?

  • ROK // September 5, 2009 at 11:25 AM

    @Rickey George

    Have a read! Nation News October 04, 2006:

    Almost 200 years after that historic milestone in world history, Caribbean states are demanding that the United Nations celebrate the anniversary of the momentous event with a purpose.

    From Barbados, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, Grenada and the Bahamas to Dominica and St Lucia, the call is the same: the celebration of the 200th anniversary of the abolition of slavery must resonate around the world.

    “This will not only deepen our knowledge and understanding of slavery and the slave trade,” said Dame Billie Miller, Barbados’ Minister of Foreign Affairs and Foreign Trade, “but also contribute to the removal of the vestiges of slavery.”

    Dr Ralph Gonsalves, St. Vincent’s Prime Minister, didn’t stop there. He wants the UN to put the issue of reparations squarely on the table for discussion.

    “There has been no apology for this crime against humanity and genocide, conducted over a prolonged period,” he said in a recent address to the UN General Assembly. “There has been no practical recompense in the form of reparations to the affected nations and peoples in Africa, the Caribbean and the Americas. Surely, this issue must be put squarely on the agenda of the United Nations for speedy resolution.”

    Gonsalves, recognised in Caribbean academic circles as a scholar, waxed eloquently as he asserted “European nations and their North American cousins” must answer for their crimes.

    “Europe has much to answer for on these matters and should be made to answer properly, appropriately,” he said. “Historic wrongs not righted remain scars on the soul of the oppressor and the oppressed alike which continue to haunt over the ages. It is a hateful burden, which must be lifted. This dark night must give way to a brightened day.”

    For its part, Jamaica served notice that the Caribbean plans to table a resolution at the current session of the General Assembly, “with the expectation”, said Anthony Hylton, its foreign minister, “that the General Assembly will appropriately recognise the event”.

    The Bahamas has taken a different approach. While signalling the world body that it supports the “CARICOM initiative to encourage the United Nations to mark and commemorate the 200th anniversary of the abolition” of the slave trade, it is taking steps on its own to educate its people’s about the abhorrent nature of slavery and the positive features of Afro-Caribbean culture.

    It outlined some of its plans for domestic celebrations, including a Festival of Arts, which is to run from March next year to January 2008.

    “A different country or region will be showcased each month during the festival as a means of exposing Bahamians to the rich culture of Africa through theatre, art, music and dance,” explained Fred Mitchell, the Bahamian foreign minister.

    When Petrus Compton, St Lucia’s Minister of External Affairs, raised the issue at the UN, he said his country was backing the plan for a UN commemoration next year because the passage of the bill in the British parliament in 1807 “began the process of the abolition of slavery in the British Empire”.

    Like Gonsalves, he described slavery “as a crime against humanity”.

    While Trinidad and Tobago’s UN ambassador Philip Sealy stopped way short of Gonsalves’ and Compton’s characterisation of slavery, he did link Haiti’s struggle for independence in the Caribbean with the abolition of the slave trade, calling them “significant developments” of an international nature.

    “The slave trade has had adverse long-term effects on the social and economic development of parts of Africa that is still being felt today,” he said.

  • Inkwell // September 5, 2009 at 11:27 AM

    Let me guess, ROK, you are one who can trace his roots back to slaves, right? But who are you going to collect this bonanza from…… COW?

    Some news for you, banks won’t bounce your cheque if you have sufficient funds on your account. If you write a cheque and don’t have funds to cover, that’s called fraud. Its just next to pushing your hand in someone’s pocket and taking money without their permission.

    If you are unable to arrange credit with a financial institution, you want pathetic? it is pathetic to blame your failure on racism. Many many black individuals and businesses in Barbados have credit facilities with commercial banks.

  • ROK // September 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM

    @AH
    The hardest thing to find is a speech by Sir Hilary. I just like you. It would be best to check with UWI. I sure the media have copies and he used to write a column in the Nation weekly. Maybe you could get some of those if you subscribe to Nation Library.

  • ROK // September 5, 2009 at 11:43 AM

    @Inkwell

    You keep harping on me like if my mouth long out for your corrupt money. Let me let your heart rest at peace. I have no desire for yours or COWs money. But you would like to impute that I am hungry after somebody’s money.

    Next thing you don’t understand business. If everybody paid by cash a business would not have cash flow problems. The cash flow problems are created when a bank effectively hold you cheques for 5 days but then when other cheques come in, they get to your account the same day. It is a cash flow problem. So it is the system that allows a bank to do that.

    Next thing is that I am not talking about the house niggers that they tokenly give some credit to. I am speaking of young entrepreneurs who are trying to create a job for themselves because the system don’t have the jobs.

    The banks have become a whip to our little people; just carrying away all their money making it harder and putting them under more sacrifice and burden while the bankers just creaming it off.

    You need to go and ask some questions before spouting what you don’t know and coming across as an idiot. I am sure you are not an idiot so go and do some research and try to gain some understanding; unless of course you are a racists propagandist; well then I understand.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 5, 2009 at 11:47 AM

    I am no longer amaze by the indentities that follow this blog. wow is all I am permitted to say.

    ——————————————-

    “Slavery was a long, long time ago”:
    Remembrance, Reconciliation and the
    Reparations Discourse in the Caribbean
    Hilary McD. Beckles

    Memory of slavery in the Caribbean is no sporting matter. Nearly one
    hundred seventy years since general emancipation in the English-speaking
    sub-region, the immediacy of the recollection of slavery still angers
    many in the regional community. It also hinders movement toward
    ethnic reconciliation, and serves to sustain the identity consciousness
    that energizes the rapidly emerging reparations movement. In addition,
    the polarizing politics of post-modern economic globalization that insists
    history step aside to make room in the popular imagination for a
    mythical level playing field, daily drives daggers into the heart of the idea
    that ethnic reconciliation and reparations constitute a unitary idea.

  • Inkwell // September 5, 2009 at 11:57 AM

    ROK,

    At the risk of compromising my anonymity, I am a black banker of 32 years experience, much of which has been spent dealing in the area of credit and financial analysis, I might add, successfully so. I therefore find your tirade highly amusing.

    It clearly is you who needs to, as you say “go and ask some questions before spouting what you don’t know and coming across as an idiot.”

    I am tired of hearing poorly prepared wannabe businessmen blame everything but their own inadequacy, for their failure to satisfy basic banking requirements for credit.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 5, 2009 at 11:57 AM

    @ROK:
    http://ariel.synergiesprairies.ca/ariel/index.php/ariel/article/viewFile/21/19

    ONLY 18 pages saying pretty much what you have said to the dry Inkwell and the doppelganger Ricky George.

    We are going to have dicussions no matter who or what.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 5, 2009 at 12:11 PM

    ….Were you an officer or owner of a bank? I think the title of “banker” should be assigned to owners only. But nevertheless if you were an officer did you set bank policy?

    Banks in Barbados should be accorded a good reputation.

  • ROK // September 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM

    @Inkwell

    I know that we had a welfare Department with social workers who had degrees in their work but it took a degreeless Hammie La to bring that department to its senses and offer welfare recipients and those in poverty a better service.

    We talking about people who would judge whether or not to give a poor person welfare if they had a TV set. Neither did they understand the concept of working poor, where a person at points in time need a little boost to stop their electricity or water from being turned off.

    As a banker you can’t be interested in the welfare of your customers. Your eyes have not gotten past the bottom line and the rules that work against poor people. For example, where would a young potential entrepreneur wit a good idea on leaving school get the money from to start his/her idea?

    Take for example, a man who was trained to be a machinist can’t get a loan from the bank to buy equipment. What is the real problem? That kind of equipment don’t lose value easily and those skills are in high demand, that is why COW making so much money…

    but the real ploy is to keep these youngsters out of business so that COW can make all the money. So the bank’s policy is like a stuck record; you either have it or suck salt.

    You being a banker does not tell me anything about your business acumen or your appreciation for the work of organisation like the Barbados Youth Business Trust that understands the problems and provide loans to young entrepreneurs. Why don’t you check to see how these youth are now doing?

    Further, you being a banker cannot tell me anything about the struggles of small and micro business. You just see the results of the system. Go and research it fella… and one more thing, You are a banker? Well I now understand why you talking so. The day you lose your job for wahtever reason, you will be speaking in different tongues.

  • Inkwell // September 5, 2009 at 1:18 PM

    A couple observations, ROK, and then I’m done.

    “As a banker you can’t be interested in the welfare of your customers. Your eyes have not gotten past the bottom line and the rules that work against poor people.”

    A non sequiter. Successful customers contribute to the bottom line of the bank. Failed customers often mean a write off against profits.

    “…where would a young potential entrepreneur wit a good idea on leaving school get the money from to start his/her idea?”

    Have you ever heard the word partnership? Research the difference between a commercial bank and a merchant bank. Most aspiring black entrepreneurs don’t see the benefit of taking 50% of something; they usually end up with 100% of nothing.

    Commercial banks have a responsibility to their depositors to exercise sound judgment in the granting of loans and the Central Bank keeps a very close eye. You will recall where the poor exercise of judgment landed the Barbados Development Bank.

    “but the real ploy is to keep these youngsters out of business so that COW can make all the money.”

    That is so silly, not even you can believe it. All the commercial banks and other financial institutions are complicit in a conspiracy against young black entrepreneurs. Right

  • Ebenezer // September 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM

    “We talking about people who would judge whether or not to give a poor person welfare if they had a TV set. Neither did they understand the concept of working poor, where a person at points in time need a little boost to stop their electricity or water from being turned off.”

    As usual ROK, a post with no substance.

    You have tried to imply that banks won’t lend money to the “working poor” who are black. ROK, there is no bank anywhere in the world that will loan money to whose who have no collateral to secure the loan, whether they be black or white. If you can’t pay your utilities how in the hell can you repay a loan? Banks are not in the business of taking loan losses, they are in the business of making loans that can be repaid.

  • ROK // September 5, 2009 at 4:15 PM

    @Inkwell
    “A non sequiter. Successful customers contribute to the bottom line of the bank. Failed customers often mean a write off against profits.”

    Failed customers? When does a customer fail? I suppose after the first year, right? If there is a non-sequitor that is one. Sometimes a business may take 5 or more years to be a success. The bank withdraws it support of the business after the first year and then deem the entrepreneur a failure.

    Partnership? Bank don’t care about you and no partnership. I know so many businessmen that were deemed failures that turned out to be a success and many who turned out successful in the long run, they get chopped like Neville Rowe and who takes over all the assets? Well Neville got lucky or at least played his hand differently… but your banks move in for the kill.

    Like how the FBI did Garvey; for a conviction of fraud for $25. they confiscated millions of dollars from UNIA; Note – from USA to Jamaica. That is what you do. That is the kind of people you work for.

    You said: “Commercial banks have a responsibility to their depositors to exercise sound judgment in the granting of loans and the Central Bank keeps a very close eye. You will recall where the poor exercise of judgment landed the Barbados Development Bank.”

    Yes I remember. Did you honestly believe that the BDB was set up to be a bank? It was set up to take high risks which the banks were not undertaking. That ended up being a place for political handouts. You honestly felt it was established to compete with banks? Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

    You said: “All the commercial banks and other financial institutions are complicit in a conspiracy against young black entrepreneurs. Right..”

    Well! That is the source of your problem; it’s so unbelievable that you can’t believe it, right? You don’t believe it, right? That’s what they are banking on; pun intended.

  • ROK // September 5, 2009 at 4:57 PM

    @Scrouge

    You guys think that I born yesterday. You set up a financial institution with rules set up to keep out a particular race from inception. You do it by saying that those who have money can get loans and those who don’t can’t get. So who had the money and who didn’t have the money?

    So this becomes the culture of the bank; to keep out poor people. Slavery ends but because the ex-slave had no money after working his/her ass off to make white people rich, this rule effectively shuts them out.

    You come along today and you accept these racists rules as banking principles and that is what drives the core value of banking for you; a racist policy.

    Look how ridiculous it is. I can get a loan if I have the amount of the loan in a bank fixed deposit. Or I can get the loan if I have property of value; although sometimes your bank would make the decision that even though I have the property, they would deny me the loan by saying that they would not want to repossess people’s property and since I don’t have cash I don’t get the loan; even though my property may be several times the loan I require.

    I saw somebody wrote where COW was refused a loan to buy a tractor because he was considered a high risk. He was however able to get credit one way and work the other, proving the banks wrong… but you know I did hear how the white community tried to destroy COW; I have no proof, but the point I making is that COW has become such a large businessman that he calling the shots with the bank. When wunna see he, red carpets mussee does fall to the ground?

    This story in itself is proof that the banks’ policies are of no help to a developing country because it is stacked in the favour of the haves. If you think the only way you can get back your money is if I can pay my electric bill today, it means that you not only know nothing about your customers, you don’t care either.

    Don’t worry about the Central Bank, they only monitoring for foreign exchange purposes. They making sure that you don’t lend money to consumers for unnecessary things and lick up the foreign exchange balance…

    yet for a person without wealth who was trying to open up a business on the tourist belt you would still refuse to lend although that business bringing in foreign exchange. You don’t really care about any opportunity. Sometimes I wonder if you even interested in the Barbadian customers. I think not; you scorn our business.

    I travelled to Trinidad and saw people in lines at the banks for loans on demand; banks were making money available in an investment climate, rather than rely solely on foreign investments like we doing. One of those same banks came here and bought BNB. Where is your point?

    Let me leave you with this. I am tired of those who come on here charging that the contributions of others are empty while they themselves proceed with empty contributions.

    I am somewhat like Chris;
    1. People that say “trust me” are the ones you should least trust.
    2. People that say “believe me” are the ones you should not rush to believe.
    3. People that say others are empty are more than likely, themselves, empty.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 5, 2009 at 5:19 PM

    @ROK

    bBMA President says: Make loans to manufacturing easier to access
    (Adapted from a BMA press release of 12 Jan. 2006) Published: January 15, 2007
    The perception that there is no future in manufacturing is hurting the sector, says President of the Barbados Manufacturers’ Association (BMA) James Husbands.

    He says the manufacturing sector has been starved of financial resources although over $50 million dollars remained available through the Industrial Credit Fund of the Central Bank.

    The BMA president says the money was intended for loans to the productive sectors, including manufacturing, but were almost inaccessible by small- and medium-sized enterprises. He said these funds, which offer lower interest rates, seemed to be ignored by most commercial banks.

    The BMA head said that enterprises which have gone out of business, or have had to be scaled back significantly for one reason or another, need to be refinanced and given another chance to succeed.

  • Annonymous // September 5, 2009 at 5:21 PM

    am somewhat like Chris;
    1. People that say “trust me” are the ones you should least trust.
    2. People that say “believe me” are the ones you should not rush to believe.
    3. People that say others are empty are more than likely, themselves, empty.

    Typical non sequitur by ROK.
    Typical Rokian bullshit!

  • Inkwell // September 5, 2009 at 5:25 PM

    I’m sorry, ROK, but your “victim” mindset appears to render you impervious to enlightenment, at least on this subject. And I really am not trying to be insulting.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 5, 2009 at 5:29 PM

    Here is James Husbands again in a Tony Best Article titled Who is in Control? 12/31/06

    ……………………….
    But where does Husbands stand on all of this?

    The articulate head and founder of Solar Dynamics stopped far short of Robinson’s assertion about white impotence over the economy, but insists Whites have a disproportionate share of the influence in the country.

    “I don’t have the statistics to be able to say categorically ‘yes’ or ‘no’; but what I do know is that they have a profound influence on the economy, and that when they go into something our people have to help them make it successful . . . . There is an extra-ordinary influence” exerted by Whites, he said.

    In staking out that position, Husbands also put some distance between himself and Sir Courtney Blackman, a former Governor of the Central Bank, who insists Blacks, not Whites, dominate the economy and run the country. Sir Courtney’s view, like Robinson’s is also shared by Dick Stoute, president of the Barbados Chamber of Commerce.

    ‘Greater access to money’

    “This is a hot subject which Dr Courtney Blackman has been putting a spin on,” said Husbands.

    But the issue doesn’t rest simply on who owns the money or the property, said Husbands. Whites may not have the money but they have greater access to it than Blacks, especially those in business, in general, and manufacturing in particular. And that’s where the power of Whites can be found.

    “Sometimes having access to money is more important than having the money. In the same way, being able to influence things is more important than anything else.

    “We have to deal with some social challenges which we impose on ourselves. I say that because we should be challenging ourselves to be greater than we have been led to believe that we can be. I have tried very hard to encourage people to bring themselves to a level of performance that they themselves would be shocked at. We do it all over the world.

    “Barbadians all over the world, wherever they go, do it every day. We have to be able to do it at home and in our own enterprises. We are capable. It is just that we have to go to work wanting to work and feeling that we are empowered,” noted Husbands, (the “we” referring to Blacks).

    But the manufacturer doesn’t put all of the blame for the current situation on Whites.

    He complained that many black employees were eager to go the extra mile, take additional steps for white-owned firms, but would fail to perform at the same level for black-owned businesses.

    He based his conclusion on his own experience and on what he called “the residue of the plantation mentality that pervades the workforce”.

    “Sometimes we short-change ourselves and the companies we work with, and that is part of stymieing the growth of some of the enterprises that should be in a position to be increasing the export earnings of Barbados,” he insisted.

    Husbands readily acknowledged that many of his assessments were a painful admission for a black person who runs a company and he cited cases to substantiate his contention. First was a professional who was hired away from a white company to boost customer relations. Though the person was well trained and would have performed the task he was hired at the white company, he didn’t do it at the black one.

    “Sometimes we short-change ourselves and the companies that we work with,” he opined.

    Second was the case of black employees who worked more aggressively and efficiently for a white supervisor than for black managers. When challenged about it, they said, perhaps it was because the supervisor was white.

    Interestingly, Husbands agreed that black-on-black discrimination was partly at fault in many of the situations manufacturing firms and black employers had encountered. That’s why he wants the University of the West Indies and people in the private sector to help finance studies that would pinpoint the reasons, and come up with suggestions on how to reverse the negative trend.

    “It is worth the while for the university to spend some time and for businesses to spend some money on investigating some of the challenges we have, so that [the]people who come after us don’t have to go through the same challenges,” he said.

    Husbands thinks a part of the problem can be traced to a belief among some Blacks “that we can only reach a certain level. We do have a serious problem in validating one another,” he concluded.

    full article : http://www.barbadosforum.com/index.php?showtopic=6134&view=findpost&p=61144

  • Ebenezer // September 5, 2009 at 5:46 PM

    Adrian Hinds, do you have anything original and preferably your own to say or you just the copy and paste King?

  • Adrian Hinds // September 5, 2009 at 5:56 PM

    @ROK

    This was said to you. “ROK, there is no bank anywhere in the world that will loan money to those who have no collateral to secure the loan, whether they be black or white”

    Till this very day Neighbourhood banks Throughout New England will Loan up to 1000 usd to new Emmigrants or other persons who do not as yet have a credit history. All that is required is proof of residency, signature of a notory public (justice of the peace), and proof a Job. There is the concept of non-securatize loans with higher interest.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM

    I am not a progressive liberal. I see no need to reinvent the wheel so that I can feel there is meaning to my life.

    James Husbands comments fits nicely with those of ROK re. bank lending. Given James prominence and experience I think his words go a long way in substantiating ROKs points.

  • David // September 5, 2009 at 6:13 PM

    Interesting debate regarding banking. A study of how markets behave may show that successful companies remain in a comfort zone and will sell products and services without change if profit margins remain wide. As competition or consumer behaviour matures/changes this places pressure on the profit margins of the companies and guess what happens? The companies are forced to penetrate new markets and or create new products.

    Inkwell, ROK et al if we apply this scenario to banking how does shake out?

  • ROK // September 5, 2009 at 6:18 PM

    @AH

    I have to say thanks for that input. A nice piece of research. You must be complimented…

    but you notice that rather than being complimented for your input, you are being labelled as cut and paste king; obviously an attempt to degrade you and nullify the substance of your posts.

    Talk about racism? As Husbands said, it got we cat-spraddled. Too much head blows.

  • ROK // September 5, 2009 at 6:27 PM

    @Inkwell
    “I’m sorry, ROK, but your “victim” mindset appears to render you impervious to enlightenment..”

    Well, I can equally say to you, “I’m sorry, Inkwell, but your “perpetrator of racism” mindset appears to render you impervious to enlightenment.”

  • ROK // September 5, 2009 at 7:20 PM

    @David
    “The companies are forced to penetrate new markets and or create new products.”

    You may think I was being funny when I asked if the banks want the business of everyday Bajans? I firmly believe that the banks are now profiting so much from offshore banking and foreign investment deposits that deposits and banking activity of Bajans is more a chore for the banks than money making activity.

    Hence, they have no need to find new products to sell to Bajans. Their new product has already arrived and is in place. I bet they all upgraded and spruced up to meet that market when it became opened.

    So their profit margins have sky-rocketed and they don’t need us now. Check those banks with long lines in town and no real effort to provide the amount of cashiers.

    Note also that many banks now find it better to re-locate outside the city and maintain empty banks with one or two tellers who switch to other duties when the banks empty.

    I also want you to note that we talking about Barbados. As AH said, these kinds of services are available elsewhere but in Barbados, in our own country, we are still discriminated against wholesale; and considered the scum of the earth.

  • Inkwell // September 5, 2009 at 7:22 PM

    David,

    Essentially, banks have one product, money, and most of it is not even theirs. They pay as attractive interest rates to entice depositors and lend that money to eligible borrowers at a higher rate to generate what is known as a spread, the difference between interest paid on deposits and interest earned from loans.

    There is little leeway in what banks can do as far as interest rates are concerned as the Central Bank sets a minimum rate which they must pay on deposits. Lending rates flow from that and each bank decides how low it can go and still achieve a reasonable spread to allow it to meet its operating expenses and make a profit. Fees for ancillary services play a major part in a Bank’s profitability and it is mainly in this area that we may see some competition, though in reality there is little difference in fee structures from one bank to another and there is little difference in the range of services offered.

    It is therefore essential that banks manage their loan portfolios well to avoid losses of capital and a reduction of interest income. Banks cannot afford to undertake loans that are overly risky as these can easily impact on the bottom line.

    It may be an unpalatable truth to some, but banks do not exist to “help” any individual or business. They exist, like any other business to make a profit, the only difference being that the product they buy and sell is “money”.

  • David // September 5, 2009 at 7:33 PM

    Inkwell you probably made a mistake declaring your are a banker now you will become our BU banking expert!

    Read your explanation and understand where you are coming from but the point which seems to be stuck in ROK’s craw is the extent banks are making huge profits by remaining in a comfort position, isn’t there room to adjust how banks apply risk given their huge profit margins?

  • Christopher Halsall // September 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM

    @Inkwell: “Essentially, banks have one product, money, and most of it is not even theirs.

    You are seriously over-simplifying the situation…

    Banks have *many* products. And somehow those least able to pay pay the most…

    For example, I sometimes use my Bank Card to pay for a product. I pay (it turns out, looking at my Bank statement) BDS $0.75 for the privilege to spend *my* *own* money using an “at-the-till” machine. (“Don’t carry money”, the promotions say, “an at-the-till payment is safer”. Perhaps safer, but certainly not less expensive.)

    For the privilege of withdrawing *my* money from an “Automatic Teller Machine” (ATM) from any Bank other than my own, I pay BDS $1.00. Does it really cost $1.00 for my bank and another bank to settle a transaction?

    So, if someone is making small payments, or small withdrawals using their Bank Card, they could be paying upwards of (or even, over, for very small transactions) 5% to the Banks to access their *OWN* *MONEY*.

    (Before you (or anyone) present the counter to my above that ATMs et al infrastructure costs money, let me please pre-counter that was the whole point of ATMs et al not to lessen the need of the Banks to employ so many Humans as tellers, and thus to save the Banks money?)

    Hmmm….

  • Inkwell // September 5, 2009 at 8:04 PM

    David,

    Unfortunately, ROK , as evident from his pronouncements above, knows little about the banking industry. Offshore banking, which he claims is producing huge profits for local commercial banks, is a specialized field of banking. Under the Banking Act of the laws of Barbados, local commercial banks cannot engage in offshore banking.

    Banks do make profits because they are generally astutely managed. The level of profitability depends on the size of its portfolios, deposit and loan and not on “huge profit margins” as you state. The profit margin is controlled by the Central Bank’s setting of a minimum deposit interest rate and market forces. It would be foolhardy of any commercial to deliberately slacken its qualifying criteria for loans to satisfy some perceived requirement to “help” businesses which are poor credit risks and in so doing jeopardize its profitability.

    I am satisfied that in general commercial banks do what they can within the dictates of prudence, to satisfy the financial requirements of their customers. But you can’t please everyone.

  • ROK // September 5, 2009 at 8:10 PM

    @Inkwell
    You telling me that the banks have not set up themselves for offshore banking? Or even international banking?

  • Christopher Halsall // September 5, 2009 at 8:14 PM

    @BU Family…

    And further to my above…

    It is not just the Banks…

    Those who pre-pay for their cellular services pay *way* more for said service than those who pay after the fact (read “post-pay”).

    This seems incongruent to me. After all, for those to prepay, the carrier already has the money in hand. So why do those to pay after get a better deal?

    (Another example — those who pay early to BL&P pay less than those who simply pay on time. (This is pretty standard everywhere. “2%/10, Net 30″. (Read, we’ll give you a 2% discount if you pay in 10 business days, otherwise you have 30 days to pay.)))

    Hmmm….

  • Inkwell // September 5, 2009 at 8:15 PM

    Christopher,

    I have not over -simplified the situation. I stated, “Fees for ancillary services play a major part in a Bank’s profitability.” It would take two days to go into all of those.

    I too have problems with some of the charges banks levy, so don’t crucify me. I don’t own the bank.

  • ROK // September 5, 2009 at 8:16 PM

    @Inkwell
    “Unfortunately, ROK , as evident from his pronouncements above, knows little about the banking industry.”

    I never said I knew anything about the banking industry. What I did was proffer the idea that the banks must be making money otherwise since they did not seem to care about their customer needs. Therefore they did not need Bajan business.

    When we put this together with what AH said, it leaves one to wonder why the bank has not diversified its services and give greater access to small business; e.g. overdrafts with less strict qualifications, etc.

  • David // September 5, 2009 at 8:20 PM

    The level of profitability depends on the size of its portfolios, deposit and loan and not on “huge profit margins” as you state. The profit margin is controlled by the Central Bank’s setting of a minimum deposit interest rate and market forces. It would be foolhardy of any commercial to deliberately slacken its qualifying criteria for loans to satisfy some perceived requirement to “help” businesses which are poor credit risks and in so doing jeopardize its profitability.

    @Inkwell

    Not sure we are following you on the above. If though the margins as you say is controlled by the size of the portfolios, who controls the return on assets?

  • ROK // September 5, 2009 at 8:21 PM

    @Inkwell
    “I too have problems with some of the charges banks levy, so don’t crucify me. I don’t own the bank.”

    I don’t think that is an apt description. They are more like penalties and once inflicted the bank proceeds to break and enter people’s accounts and take their money. It’s a money grabbing thing.

    I always argue that the bank should bill for their services and give consumers time to pay like any other business. This thing about grabbing the money and causing cash flow problems which in turn incur further penalties is highway robbery.

  • Christopher Halsall // September 5, 2009 at 8:27 PM

    @Inkwell: “I too have problems with some of the charges banks levy, so don’t crucify me.

    I’m not crucifying you.

    I’m asking questions, and making observations. I’ve found it sometimes useful to do so…

    @Inkwell: “It would take two days to go into all of those.

    I’ve got nothing else to do…

    Let’s go!

    Seriously….

  • Inkwell // September 5, 2009 at 8:33 PM

    ROK,

    I repeat…Under the Banking Act of the laws of Barbados, local commercial banks cannot engage in offshore banking.

  • Christopher Halsall // September 5, 2009 at 8:42 PM

    @BU Family…

    Just for the record, I don’t fight for ROK. ROK doesn’t fight for me. We sometimes find ourselves beside each other, fighting in the same general direction; but even then we usually disagree…

    @Inkwell: “Under the Banking Act of the laws of Barbados, local commercial banks cannot engage in offshore banking.

    But can a local Barbados Bank not be owned by a parent which *can* engage in offshore banking? (Assuming Chinese Walls, of course…)

  • Sargeant // September 5, 2009 at 8:54 PM

    David

    There is much truth to what Inkwell writes with regard to Banks, however your hope that Banks adjust their risk position because of “excessive” profits will not bear fruit.

    There are no locally owned commercial banks in Barbados, excepting BNB which is headquartered in Trinidad, all the other major banks Scotia; FCIB and RBC have their Head Offices in Toronto. Every year these banks set aside millions of dollars to cover loan losses for what were originally considered “good” loans, the Head Offices would not countenance the addition of loans of dubious quality to their books when they are trying to get these numbers down.

    Plus their CEOs are blessed with enormous egos and they want their legacy to show that they left their Banks in a better position than their predecessors.

  • Inkwell // September 5, 2009 at 8:54 PM

    Yes, it can, but the offshore bank cannot engage in local commercial banking.

  • David // September 5, 2009 at 9:05 PM

    @Sargeant

    Don’t miss our point. Let is suppose that bank profits start to fall in the next 2-3 years for whatever reason our point is that the banks would be forced to design new products to target non traditional clients with probably lesser risk considerations. Maybe those small businesses who currently are chased out of the bank would now be welcomed.

  • Sargeant // September 5, 2009 at 9:08 PM

    CH

    Before you (or anyone) present the counter to my above that ATMs et al infrastructure costs money, let me please pre-counter that was the whole point of ATMs et al not to lessen the need of the Banks to employ so many Humans as tellers, and thus to save the Banks money?)
    *************************************

    The Banks would argue that it was a win/win situation- a win for the customer to access his/her funds at their convenience and a win for them by not employing people to process mundane transactions. They would also argue that you can pay a flat monthly fee which covers all those miscellaneous transactions rather than being nickeled and dimed to death with all the “transaction fees”. Think the price of gas will decrease if the Service stations become self service?

  • Inkwell // September 5, 2009 at 9:09 PM

    David,

    If though the margins as you say is controlled by the size of the portfolios, who controls the return on assets?

    ****************

    Its not the margin that is controlled by the size of the portfolios, but the dollar amount of the profit. 4% of $100,000,000 is larger than 4% of 60,000,000

    Nothing “controls” the return on assets. The return on assets is simply a ratio of the quantum of assets, (dollar value) to the profit generated,

  • Christopher Halsall // September 5, 2009 at 9:15 PM

    @David…

    The Banks are doing *very* well, using tricks most of us would never even imagine… Thank you (and most) very much…

    And they will most likely continue to do so….

  • Christopher Halsall // September 5, 2009 at 9:29 PM

    @Sargeant: “They would also argue that you can pay a flat monthly fee which covers all those miscellaneous transactions rather than being nickeled and dimed to death with all the “transaction fees”.

    So, if I copy your above correctly, we the Consumers of Banks have the “right” to pay a “monthly fee” to access their own money. Do I understand you correctly?

    What would that fee be? Exactly? How much would it cost us here in Barbados? (On a per-Bank basis would be appreciated, for our consideration.)

    And, following from your above, why don’t we all, this next Monday, simply withdrawal all of our money from the various Banks here in Barbados, store it under our mattresses, and begone with all you parasites?

    Seriously….

  • Sargeant // September 5, 2009 at 9:29 PM

    David

    Maybe those small businesses who currently are chased out of the bank would now be welcomed.
    ************************************
    The above is masquerading as a fact when it probably is far from the truth. Inkwell explains it well enough, Banks like all businesses exist to make profits and they are not going to chase people out of their offices who can contribute to their profit. Personally I take all of these stories about small businesses being disadvantaged by Banks in 2009 with a grain of salt. Are these “small businesses” prepared to assume some of the risk? Or should the banks assume all the risk?

    To your point about bank profits decreasing, if the bank profits start to decrease it would be a signal that the economy on the whole is going south, so banks would likely tighten credit rather than design new products to lure customers.

  • Inkwell // September 5, 2009 at 9:48 PM

    Support appreciated, Sargeant. Solid comments.

  • Pat // September 5, 2009 at 9:51 PM

    Inkwell // September 5, 2009 at 8:33 PM

    ROK,

    I repeat…Under the Banking Act of the laws of Barbados, local commercial banks cannot engage in offshore banking.
    *****************************

    That may be so Mr. Inkwell, but how many of Barbados’ banks are local? I am not on the scene, but thought they were mostly subsidiaries of foreign establishments, governed by the laws of the ‘home’ country.

    You are obviously a banker, so correct me if I am wrong.

  • Sargeant // September 5, 2009 at 10:08 PM

    CH

    If I misspoke about the “flat fee” for services then I stand corrected but I thought that banks in Barbados applied this fee. Don’t get me wrong I don’t necessarily agree with all fees especially when I was charged a dormant fee on a local account after it was not used for about two years.

    The Banks are everyone’s favourite punching bag, they are seen as these gargantuan, faceless entities which doesn’t care about us but only want to keep our money and charge us all these fees for accessing or retrieving it from them, but thousands of people achieve their dreams because of these same Banks.

    Parasites…. Man that is a strong word, there goes a man who doesn’t have a good relationship with his bank(er), but are you planning to invest in a security firm or a business specializing in burglar bars? Your suggestion to withdraw the money and store it under the bed is an ill wind that will blow someone some good.

  • Inkwell // September 5, 2009 at 10:19 PM

    Pat,

    There are in fact no locally owned commercial banks in Barbados. However, the Act governs all commercial banks operating locally. Hope that clarifies.

  • Christopher Halsall // September 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM

    @Sargeant: “Your suggestion to withdraw the money and store it under the bed is an ill wind that will blow someone some good.

    That’s the point (and why I raised it)…

    The “Banking System” couldn’t sustain or handle such an action… (At least, since the “Gold Standard” went away.)

    Thus, it (the “Banking System”) is based on unsustainable (unscalable) lies….

  • Christopher Halsall // September 5, 2009 at 10:30 PM

    @Sargeant: “…are you planning to invest in a security firm or a business specializing in burglar bars?

    I ignore threats…

    I will until I die….

  • Rickey George // September 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM

    @ROK, the comment was about the blog and not about an individual. If you want to equate yourself to the blog, then so be it. Something can have a general characteristic without every part having that characteristic.

    On the question ‘Are you saying that slavery was not based on the superiority of the white race as its core value?’ that contention is historically false. Many have written here and elsewhere about the existence of slavery. It is not a white/black exploitation activity. It has many white/white examples (Romans/Britons) and many black/black examples (white Moors/black Haratins). If you know your African history you will know of slavery between different tribes. If you don’t know that history, then time to start learning.
    ++++++++++++++
    I too have more than a few decades in banking, but need not be anyone’s resident expert on banking. You clearly do not understand the nature of banking. Plain. It is not a charity and it is not about taking pity on people whose businesses do not succeed. If you want a bank that is a social service then get the government to run it with (your) tax payers money to provide the subisidies that are needed and absorb whatever losses may arise. Those losses will have to be dealt with one day and in the meantime have to be seen as accumulated claims on current or future tax revenue.

  • Rickey George // September 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM

    @Chris Halsall, one of the problems with banking is for it to be understood as a service. If you had all of your deposits at home in cash there would be no cost to having access to it, but you run a risk that it may be lostt (fire, theft, etc.) Part of what you pay a bank for is ’safe keeping’ of your funds. There is also the fact that banking means using deposits to make loans (simplifying), and banks are not required to keep all deposits on hand as cash (reserve requirements mean only a fraction need be on hand at any time). So, to get access to deposits banks have to remobilize funds, some of that means liquidating assets that have been obtained with the deposits. So making cash available is not a costless operation. I do not want to be long on that but I hope the general point is clear.

  • Sargeant // September 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM

    CH

    Do you interpret that as a threat? I thought that you were exploring a business opportunity with your advice for everyone to withdraw funds, hence my question about investing in security companies or firms specializing in burglar bars – because they will be making money. ( So the ill wind benefits them)

  • Anonymous // September 5, 2009 at 11:06 PM

    @ROK, I wondered whether to address “Exactly what are you saying because the racism that exist today is a remnant of slavery too. Why don’t you tell your white friends to forget the past too?” Let me suggest that it is always better to stand on firm ice than skate on thin ice. If you do not know to whom you address remarks better not to dig a trench and assume. Am I supposed to be white? Am I supposed to have white friends? Had I stated either I would have had a little more tolerance. But without the statement from me can I just ignore the question for being irrelevant?

    Like with your stated ignorance of banking, better to not let ignorance or lack of facts get you into hotter water.

  • Christopher Halsall // September 5, 2009 at 11:06 PM

    @Rickey George: “Part of what you pay a bank for is ’safe keeping’ of your funds.

    ROTFL….

  • Christopher Halsall // September 5, 2009 at 11:07 PM

    @Sargeant: “Do you interpret that as a threat?

    Yes.

    I do.

  • Rickey George // September 5, 2009 at 11:08 PM

    @Chris Halsall, I am not familiar with the acronym ROTFL. Please clarify.

  • Sargeant // September 5, 2009 at 11:16 PM

    CH

    All I can say is that paranoia reigns supreme when you think that your innocuous statements about Banks would cause someone to threaten you. Get a grip on reality

  • Christopher Halsall // September 5, 2009 at 11:36 PM

    @Sargeant…

    Consider it a thought experiment…

    And an insurance policy…

    At least one of those are provided by many Banks. Right?

    (Smile….)

  • ROK // September 6, 2009 at 12:01 AM

    @Sarge
    “Personally I take all of these stories about small businesses being disadvantaged by Banks in 2009 with a grain of salt.”

    Even if you take that position, one thing you can’t deny is that a new business takes time; years to really make a profit and that without support it will fall through.

    Would it be hard to imagine that without the support of the banks helping with cash flow (because cheques are their instruments) a micro or small business will go under? It is not so much the incompetence of the businessman as it is the penalties that kill small businesses.

    let’s take an example in two scenarios.

    1. I operate strictly by cash. I write no cheques and I accept none. My turnover of cash for the week is $5000.00. Remember I am a growing business. I am able to take my $5000 and purchase stock or raw materials so that my shelves or stores are refilled for the next week.

    2. I do $5000 in sales which includes cheques. I make my deposit and then proceed to write cheques for my orders. However, the cheques I have deposited will be withheld until cleared and the bank stipulates 5 working days effectively. If I write cheques to the amount of $5000, and they all reach the bank on Monday morning at the same time or within that 24 hr period, my account will not register $5000 and the banks will send back all the cheques because they say that they will not choose which cheques to cash or which to return so they return all and charge you $30.00 for each returned cheque.

    In scenario 2 it is clear that I can’t get my $5000 in stock which my business needs so urgently. As a matter of fact, I will not have access to $5000 before Thursday so because of cash flow problems, my sales may be $2500 and I have to turn back customers during the course of that week. If I have employees, I have to find the money to pay them without the benefit of making the sales that I could have. I therefore lose a week in sales at $5000 per week.

    Some businessmen would take the chance and write the cheques because they may decide to pay the penalties rather than lose a week’s sales. Now, if 5 cheques are returned, the bank takes out $150 and the the businesses that businessman wrote the cheques to, charges him $50 for each returned cheque. He is now $400 out which could be a week’s wage for an employee but certainly, having to pay penalties, his profits are eroded… and rather than have that money to pay staff the bank takes it and all this is based on their instruments (cheques) which are meant to facilitate their customers.

    It could therefore end up that the businessman pays the bank $400 in penalties every week, thereby retarding the business and eventually running it to the ground.

    This is an example where no fraud is intended but the businessman is adversely affected by the banking system which set up hurdles to trap businessmen doing legitimate business.

  • ROK // September 6, 2009 at 12:05 AM

    @Anonymous

    If I take you for a white man or having white friends it may be because you come on her anonymously speaking like a white man, so when you get on your high and declare that you are not white, I still have no proof to the contrary. If that upsets you then declare who you are, otherwise take what you get. Simple.

  • J // September 6, 2009 at 12:35 AM

    Rickey George wrote on September 5, 2009 at 11:08 PM…”@Chris Halsall, I am not familiar with the acronym ROTFL. Please clarify.”

    ROTFL=Rolling On The Floor Laughing.

    ROTFLMAO=Rolling On The Floor Laughing My As Off.

  • ROK // September 6, 2009 at 12:36 AM

    @Rickey George

    “one of the problems with banking is for it to be understood as a service. ”

    What was it before it was a service if it is to be now understood as a service? Why should this change be accepted now?

    Let me give you my take on banking. It is a system of numbers and paper transactions; both paper money and recording numbers in a ledger. If I go to the bank for a loan, the bank don’t even have to have the cash money. It issues me a cheque for the amount. I deposit it on my account in the same bank and I am already paying interest and the money has not yet left the bank.

    I have a cheque book and I write cheques which you again honour by notation when they arrive at your bank, and then your bank settles all its cheques with the other banks and each simply pay the difference if there is a difference.

    The money that you cash comes back to you anyhow. I withdraw cash, that cash is spent in a store which then deposits the same money in the banking system, so you simply have a set of cash that rotates. As it rotates you simply add interest and fees as a book entry. When you pay your employees, you don’t have to have a cent, you write cheques and give them which they deposit in the said bank and you honour the cheques as above; a paper entry or rotating cash.

    To my mind, banks could never lose because you lend out the same money about ten times in a single cycle; the same money. It’s like, you lend me, then I deposit, then you take it again and then lend it and the lender deposit; then over and over again; the same money.

  • Sargeant // September 6, 2009 at 12:54 AM

    ROK

    • Would it be hard to imagine that without the support of the banks helping with cash flow (because cheques are their instruments) a micro or small business will go under? It is not so much the incompetence of the businessman as it is the penalties that kill small businesses.

    **************************************
    First of all when one opens an account the bank rep should ensure that the customer has a good understanding of how the account should be operated. If the Bank’s policy is to hold funds on cheques deposited until the funds are cleared then the customer should be aware of this stipulation and operate his business accordingly. The businessman is free to implement a policy of “ no cheques” from clients since he will be advancing goods or services without the certainty that the cheque proffered in payment will be honoured by his client’s Bank. Please note that there was a recent story in the news about the millions of dollars owed to businesses because of “bounced cheques”. If you were running a Bank would you take the chance of providing instant access to funds deposited via cheques when there is the possibility that the cheques will be returned unpaid? If the cheques are returned unpaid and the account does not have enough money to cover them the bank will have an unsecured liability with an overdrawn account.

    The bottom line is if the Bank is holding funds on your account because the cheques deposited haven’t cleared then you shouldn’t write cheques on that account until the cheques have cleared.

    Most Supermarkets in Barbados have debit machines yet I see people writing cheques for goods purchased, If you have the funds why write a cheque, why not use your debit card? Writing cheques under these circumstances is a recipe for trouble.

  • David // September 6, 2009 at 1:45 AM

    @ROK

    Don’t be discourage there is enough feedback around to suggest the financial sector in Barbados can do alot more for small businesses (SMEs) and often this sector is left to run to government agencies for support. In the press this week there was an article which highlighted that SMEs make up 60% of the companies in Barbados. It is a large enough sector i.e.contributing to GDP where there should be a very visible strategy by financial houses as it pertains to SMEs. James Husbands has a proven track record who has had to struggle despite manufacturing a top of the line product. Based on the article Adrian posted it is something Barbadian consumers need to start to press i.e. an increasing focus on small business . This week on the callin a former banker Tony Marshall was pushing that fact reverse mortgages are not available yet we have a very active BARP association perhaps the most vibrant and well managed in Barbados.

    Our earlier point stands, reduced profits by banks can be caused by other factors other than a recession, when it happens mark our words you will see the banks show a greater appetite for the sector because there is much promise in the sector. Scientific data clearly shows that SMEs is the staple sector of most economies. At the moment banks are focused on signing up car loans and mortgages and as Inkwell confirmed growing fat from the spread.

    The BU family appreciates the feedback about how banking works theoretically but we don’t get the impression this was the point ROK was making, it goes beyond what is status quo.

  • Anonymous // September 6, 2009 at 2:06 AM

    David you cant tell ricky george and crew to kar deh asses? He criticise threaten legal action for BU and now can’t keep off an always got negatives chuspe

  • ROK // September 6, 2009 at 2:31 AM

    @Sarge

    I really can’t keep up with your unrealistic approach. In a system where money is spent in all kinds of ways; from credit cards to cheques, you really expect that not taking cheques is an option?

    If you do that you will stay microscopic because you will only get the loose change in people’s pockets.

  • Anonymous // September 6, 2009 at 2:33 AM

    Rok

    Why are you not sleeping my good man.

    I think we need to send Bonny over at you ,like Peter Ram says:You need a woman by your side.LOL.

  • ROK // September 6, 2009 at 2:47 AM

    I am not asleep because I am working. Don’t worry to send Bonny, when she get the divorce or the widowship, I will have to be contented then. Give me some space before she comes for me cause I could see that after that my life will be in the clouds. LOL! Bonny! I not sure which side she going to be on. Hope it ain’t my backside.

  • ROK // September 6, 2009 at 3:04 AM

    @Sargeant
    “First of all when one opens an account the bank rep should ensure that the customer has a good understanding of how the account should be operated.”

    None of that happens. If you are not smart enough to ask the right questions you leave there with a mere impression of how it works.

    Furthermore, banks don’t give you a rate for if you bounce a cheque or if you run into an overdraft situation they arbitrarily set it and then snatch it from your account. You find out if it happens to you.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 6, 2009 at 3:30 AM

    In 2006 on another forum, someone asked the following…….

    Does anyone here have an idea of how the loan portfolio of the local banks is distributed across different asset classes?

    I am particularly interested in knowing what proportion of bank lending goes towards wealth-generating assets like businesses, farms, commercial projects etc vs the proportion of lending that goes towards non-productive assets like residential real-estate, government bonds, motor vehicles etc.

    ————————————————

    THE FOLLOWING RESPONSE WAS POSTED.

    ———————————————–

    I am sure that this info is available online on the Central Bank of Barbados website: Central Bank of Barbados Website. I have not had the time to scan but have a look. In the meantime I collected this data for you to have a look. We would appreciate if you share any conclusions from your anaysis of the data.

    QUOTE
    As at Dec 31, Dec 2004 this is Consumer debt by category in BDS$-000:

    Private Cars – 65,538
    Taxis/Rented Cars – 806
    Commercial Vehicles – 3,111
    Motor Cycles – 203
    Furnishing
    & Domestic Applicances-2,947
    Travel-5,650
    Home Improvement
    & Real Estate-109,619
    Consolidation
    Of Debt-34,552
    Misc-168,402
    Total-390,808

    As at Dec 31, Dec 2004 Credit by Sectoral Distribution in BDS$-000:

    Public Utilities-8,501
    Construction-264,694
    Government-23
    Statutory
    Bodies-281,209
    Financial
    Institutuions-112,055
    Professional &
    Other Services-198,478
    Personal-1,456,602
    Misc-142,307
    Total-3,346,094

    As at Dec 31, Dec 2004 Credit to Agriculture in BDS$-000:

    Sugarcane-10,278
    Livestock-17231
    Foodcrops-861
    Other-5,551
    Total-32,338

    As at Dec 31, Dec 2004 Credit to Manufacturing in BDS$-000:

    Sugar & Molasses-494
    Food & Non-Alcoholic-7,257
    Alcoholic Beverages
    And Tobacco-13,428
    Building Material
    & Metal prod-30,943
    Electrical Products-1,702
    Furniture&Wood
    Products-6,660
    Textile-3,817
    Petro-Chemicals-2,465
    Other-31,854
    Total-98,620

    As at Dec 31, Dec 2004 Mortgages in BDS$-000:

    Private Dwellings-530,042
    Industrial
    &Commercial-68,235
    Agriculture-12
    Other-68,020
    Total-666,309
    Loans to Residents-661,526
    Loans to Non-Residents-4,783

  • Rickey George // September 6, 2009 at 4:06 AM

    @ROK, you wrote ‘You guys think that I born yesterday. You set up a financial institution with rules set up to keep out a particular race from inception. You do it by saying that those who have money can get loans and those who don’t can’t get. So who had the money and who didn’t have the money?’ This is a very odd observation. What about banks in places where there is not a colour issue? The first point surely falls? Banking is not about colour and race but about making loans and taking deposits; some lines will get drawn but only on racial lines if some other explicit rules are in place. Try the logic. It wont take long.

  • Rickey George // September 6, 2009 at 4:23 AM

    @ROK

    I made the comment that went as Anonymous. When you wrote, ‘@Anonymous

    If I take you for a white man or having white friends it may be because you come on her anonymously speaking like a white man, so when you get on your high and declare that you are not white, I still have no proof to the contrary. If that upsets you then declare who you are, otherwise take what you get. Simple.’ what did you mean by ’speaking like a white man’? Is that something that is clear from the number of words or syntax? Those black men who have some education go through a colour transfer process, seems to be a presumption of your point. Now, those who have mastered the mother tongue may feel really insulted that you tell them that this is ’speaking like a white man’.

    I have seen it so many times with your posts. The black man for you must be the dumbest, the most incoherent, the most incapable of understanding. Those who have an ounce of intelligence must be white. My dear fellow, that is so sad as to make me have to spend all of today in prayer hoping that a light can shine into your eyes and say “ROK, the world is not like that.”
    ++++++++
    As for your notion of banking and all being rosy as money spins around. If everything in the world were perfect there would be no problems. Just introduce one delinquent or so into your scenario and see where it goes. You also seem to think that all cash taken out just goes back into the bank, which is of course not true. Many banking systems run into problems when people hoard cash, for reasons that make sense to them (time, ready availability of means to pay, other concerns). But a cash only society soon becomes very inefficient. You can get around that hoarding by having non-cash payment systems. But if hoarding goes on the banking system can grind to a halt as can some parts of the country’s economy.
    ++++++
    Banking has always been a set of services and for that a fee is always likely for rendering services. Simple case if it may help is to think who would hold you money safely for you for an indefinite period and not expect to get a ‘reward’ for doing it? Who would lend you money and not expect a little something back for the loan? Islamic banking bans the payment of interest, but they too have fee structures.

  • Rickey George // September 6, 2009 at 5:35 AM

    @David: I hope that spiritual and religious rhythms that means some rise earlier than others will not lead to complaints about a string of posts. But a reasonable time is between each.
    +++++
    @ROK: You wrote ‘I am not a racist. None of my core beliefs are based on black as superior. I have not advocated that whites are treated as less than human.’ You truly misunderstand.

    Your racism (in reverse, if you like) is there. You see attributes that appear ’superior’ (or certainly very different and for you ‘undesirable’) as being part of ‘white’. So, it’s not hard to see that you put ‘black’ with inferior–or more generally other–attributes (many of which you see as ‘better’ or just ‘good’), that are based on colour. If some want to be generous they could say that you are showing clear racial discrimination. But however, you slice it, dice it, and try to make nice it, THAT IS RACIST.

    I’m not sure if you treat your head this way, with a white beard and a black face, but I would not be surprised. I hope you do not wash your chin before your head in the mornings.

    That’s me done for the day. My God is calling.

  • A Banker // September 6, 2009 at 7:26 AM

    ROK, “Furthermore, banks don’t give you a rate for if you bounce a cheque or if you run into an overdraft situation they arbitrarily set it and then snatch it from your account. You find out if it happens to you.” They do. It may not be in big print, but they have scales of charges. The central bank may need to get them to make them more visible and for a customer to sign a form showing that they have been seen and read, and understood.

  • ROK // September 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM

    @Sargeant

    “Most Supermarkets in Barbados have debit machines yet I see people writing cheques for goods purchased, If you have the funds why write a cheque, why not use your debit card? Writing cheques under these circumstances is a recipe for trouble.”

    You know that the banks do not give debit cards to business accounts? At least, I don’t know if it happens now.

    The next thing is that writing cheques is an option and simply because the debit card is there don’t mean that everybody trust its use.

    The problem with gas stations is that there is not sufficient care with cheques. At least you should have a record of customers who pay by cheques.

  • ROK // September 6, 2009 at 8:36 AM

    @Banker
    “They do. It may not be in big print, but they have scales of charges.”

    You are telling me what I know must exist but the point is I have never seen it in big or small print; you are simply charged and money taken. As far as I am concerned that is a crime. Taking the money is certainly breaking and entering and the fact that customers do not know when it happens or when these charged are raised is not in keeping with good business practices at all.

  • ROK // September 6, 2009 at 8:41 AM

    @Rickey George

    You seem to be another chapter of one LIB and I am not getting into any semantics with you or no brow beating with you. No wonder you sound like a white man. You need brain surgery; something loose up there. You paying too much sin-tax.

  • Sargeant // September 6, 2009 at 10:38 AM

    A Banker

    The central bank may need to get them to make them more visible and for a customer to sign a form showing that they have been seen and read, and understood
    ************************************
    If you open an individual account at a Bank in Canada you are required to sign a document stating that you understand the rules relating to the operation of the account, I am not sure if this pertains to business accounts (but it doesn’t stop people from complaining when they are socked with charges).

    ROK

    Initially you wrote about the challenges small businesses face with accessing funds deposited to their account via cheques. I suggested a possible solution in my response, but how do you know that the complaints against the banks are legitimate? After all it is not unheard of for people to blame others for problems of their own making..

    The reality is that many people are unprepared to operate businesses, they have no plan and don’t have a clue on how they will pay their bills during those first few months when expenses are likely to exceed revenue, they then blame “the bank” for their problems.

    The PM recently called for financial literacy for consumers, he should have included small businessmen in that call.

  • David // September 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM

    We continue to focus on what is irrelevant. Is there a culture in Barbados which allows SMEs to prosper? We always go down the road that small businesses need to learn how to run a business, in turn we say about the banks that their only responsibility is to their shareholders. In developed markets banks have units highly trained in the sector of small business. In other words it should not be about selling an account it should be about understanding the business and working with that business as a partner. The small business sector because of its peculiarity requires a different approach by banks, what will make them change? If the banks put the structure to work with SMEs they will get the return they are looking for.

    The bottom line, given the significant percentage of small businesses which make up the whole it is a problem which will not go away. It explains why the credit union movement has been growing so rapidly. The fear in the BU household is the credit union will do the hard work and the banks will snap these businesses up when they finally wake up.

  • Sargeant // September 6, 2009 at 11:56 AM

    David

    The small business sector because of its peculiarity requires a different approach by banks, what will make them change? If the banks put the structure to work with SMEs they will get the return they are looking for
    ************************************
    Sure I agree that the Banks need to understand the business of its clients but are you placing all the onus on the Banks? What about the clients? Don’t they need to understand their business? Banks will work with businessmen who are prepared and come armed with a plan or a sense of direction as to where their business is going, they are not in the business of coaching from the ground up.

    “If you fail to prepare be prepared to fail”

  • David // September 6, 2009 at 12:08 PM

    @Sargeant
    Suggest you do a Google of case studies featuring micro financing, you maybe surprised at what you find. Many countries around the world recognise that many small businesses are challenged to access finance in the traditional form and many forward thinking markets have started to target this sector recognizing its limitations but importantly its potential When the potential is unleashed then poor people become fishermen and not have to depend on handouts. Who do you think wins?

  • ROK // September 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM

    @Sargeant

    I am speaking to you from first hand experience. I ran two varieties, a bakery, a mill and a restaurant all at one time in different locations.

    The bank refused to give me an overdraft but kept charging me for bounced cheques. If somebody wrote a cheque to you which bounces the bank charges you and then turns around and charge the person that wrote the cheques too.

    In most of the cases it is a question of cash flow and bounced cheques are not the domain of small businesses alone; any business that does not have an overdraft facility will ultimately at some time or other find themselves with bounced cheques.

    What is baffling about this situation is that it cost less to have an overdraft facility and this is available to large businesses which can more afford to pay.

    One can only come to the conclusion that the reason for not offering small businesses an overdraft is because they can be easily disqualified based on the lack of wealth and money. We go back to the core values of banking which objective is to keep out those who don’t have. This then gives the bank an opportunity to collect maybe as much as a hundred times more revenue in penalties from people who can’t afford it.

    I contend that if a business can handle paying penalties for bounced cheques, they would do a lot better with an overdraft. I also contend that penalties for bounced are not legal and as a matter of fact, it cannot cost the bank much more to handle a bounced check than a good one. So once I pay for my cheques, there should be no more charges otherwise we talking penalties. The test here is to ask the bank what costs are incurred when a cheque bounces? If the answer is none, then the bank has not legal basis for charging their customers.

    The other question is, what right does the bank have to charge penalties? Is it a legal right? Is it a moral right?

    @David
    I hear you loud and clear, but unless we get down to details and analyse, we will not get anywhere. We need to examine banking principles and culture to see where they have created myths under the guise of principles and practice, as a means of shutting out SMEs.

  • ROK // September 6, 2009 at 2:31 PM

    @Sargeant
    “…but are you placing all the onus on the Banks? What about the clients? Don’t they need to understand their business?”

    No onus is being placed on the bank. What is happening here is that the banks have developed hard and fast rules which they stick to and which are not in the interest of their customers.

    This thing about a business plan, etc. is part of the charade. Recently, the FTC made a ruling on the way banks were sending their customers to buy services as a requirement for loans and mortgages because they were not giving customers a choice.

    Previously the FTC was saying that the banks are regulated by the Central Bank but we have been able to show that not all matters are regulated by the CB; such as standards of services, etc. This is therefore very encouraging and we believe that we will find more to leverage against the banks in the Consumer Protection legislation.

  • Sargeant // September 6, 2009 at 4:04 PM

    David

    Suggest you do a Google of case studies featuring micro financing, you maybe surprised at what you find
    ******************************

    Are you suggesting that the Barbados on the cusp of First World status with a per capita income of US $9800 and a society with free education from primary to tertiary level, and where the Chancellor of the University has expressed the hope of having a University graduate in every household. A Barbados with a claim of 97% literacy, that this Barbados should approach the problems of the small business sector by applying the lessons of micro financing?

    Is this the same micro financing that is applied in places like Bangladesh or the poverty stricken countries of South America and Africa? Point me to those examples you cite so I can see if we are talking about the same thing.

  • White Trash // September 6, 2009 at 6:07 PM

    Ur credibility is zero david.

    Done gone.

    Talkin bout banks. What is the topic of the thread?

    man ROK ruined you.

  • David // September 6, 2009 at 6:11 PM

    @Sargeant

    What do you think we should call a hotdog/popcorn seller? A backyard chicken farmer. The housewife who sells from her house or van and we could go on. Those people are businesses but they often are not seen as such.

  • ROK // September 6, 2009 at 7:01 PM

    @David
    “Is there a culture in Barbados which allows SMEs to prosper?”

    Yes. Consumerism but not otherwise. We support everything and everybody until the service or product becomes uncompetitive or becomes unpopular.

    I have found myself on several occasions opening the doors of a new establishment. Ordinary average Barbadians walk in with the expressed purpose of seeing what they could buy or to see what is selling so they could come back when they have money.

    The easiest thing you can do is build a business. The most difficult part is keeping your doors opened. People will tolerate the fact that you are new, but if you are not able to maintain and expand your stock, you hit rock bottom.

    This is not the same with the system. There is no culture within the financial sector that assists the SMEs and actually the banking system creates huge cash flow problems under the guise of facilitating their customers.

    1. to wait five days for a cheque to clear is ridiculous.
    2. systems that allow debit facilities are not being encouraged among SMEs; maybe the initial cost is prohibitive.
    3. systems that allow use of credit card facilities also don’t seem to be readily available to SMEs.

    Maybe SMEs, especially micro businesses, have not explored these facilities; or maybe they are discouraged in some way.

    The bottom line is that the culture of consumerism is sufficient of a base to justify support for SMEs.

  • Christopher Halsall // September 6, 2009 at 7:50 PM

    @BU Family…

    Here are a few more questions, and observations:

    1. Why, *exactly*, does it take so long for cheques to clear here in Barbados (and many other places)?

    1.1. As argued, and agreed to above, any Consumer can instantly withdraw funds from their own account here in Barbados through another Barbados Bank’s ATM machine (for a fee).

    1.2. So, why they, exactly, can Consumer’s not exchange funds between themselves similarly instantaneously?

    1.3. Given points 1., 1.1 and 1.2 above, is it not interesting that the Banks charge their own Customers (and others) serious penalties when cheques “bounce”?

    2. As the borrower pays much more interest than the lender is paid, do the Banks benefit from this temporal latency? (Known as “arbitrage”, in the industry.)

    3. Are we not being told by (all) our Governments that “the money has to flow again”. So why, then, exactly, are those whose business is Money not particularly able to facilitate the flow?

    4. Could it, perhaps, be because there’s money to be made?

    5. BU.David… Might this Banking issue not be “forked” into an independent Blog? It is an important issue to discuss openly, with many half truths being told by some (IMHO)….

  • Pat // September 6, 2009 at 8:35 PM

    @ROK

    Sorry to be off topic. But the dogs at BFP have their next “big hit” article up. It is about you.

  • ROK // September 6, 2009 at 9:07 PM

    @Pat

    So I hear. These guys real jealous of BU? I really don’t want to go over there. Somebody is here trying to convince me that I should.

  • Ebenezer // September 6, 2009 at 9:08 PM

    @Pat: Dogs? BFP has merely taken “pearls of wisdom” from ROK and reproduced them. Wooooooof!

  • Adrian Hinds // September 6, 2009 at 9:12 PM

    That article as is becoming the usual at BFP is pure nonsense.

    What did ROK say:

    So, knowing this, there are some white men who recruit white girls, especially, anywhere from 14 yrs and up to 20. Give them a supposedly prize vacation to the Caribbean in an all inclusive destination. Then these men solicit the better off black men to pay them to come to the resort in droves for these girls.

    Right now, I know of at least three tours going on in the Caribbean; ….. None that I know of in Barbados this year; all gone to Jamaica.

    SO WHY WOULD ROK GO THE RBPF?

    Once again this a story about a WHITE BAJAN that BFP is trying to pin on a Black man. As you know WHITES CAN DO NO WRONG FOR BFP.

    Keltruth blog said the following…….
    There was the Geoffrey Ullyett case. Ullyett of Barbados, “did not plead to the charge that between October 23 and December 4, for the purpose of gain, he exercised control over the movement of Ukranians Olha Sheherbakova and Anzhela Pantelo in a way that showed that he aided and abetted in prostitution.” Nation News Archives. It has been rumoured, but never substantiated, that Ullyett had some very powerful clients who exercised their influence over the Barbados courts. See the resolution of this and other Bajan cases in the next section.

    http://keltruthblog.com/blog/?p=466

    To see a picture of this WHITE BAJAN

    http://bajan.wordpress.com/?s=ullyett

    click on the title to get to the article.

    ———————————————-

    Any time wunnuh see a car on Barbados roads with the license plates T5363 check fuh any young white women and call the police Although they cannot do anything about it.

    The constitution and laws do not specifically prohibit trafficking in persons. Although laws against slavery, forced labor or other crimes could be applied, no trafficking cases were prosecuted. There were reports that persons were trafficked to the country.

    ALSO:

    There is no statute specifically prohibiting sexual tourism, and no statistics on it, but anecdotal evidence suggested that it occurred.

  • ROK // September 6, 2009 at 9:25 PM

    @AH
    I have to give you full marks. Actually, when I reported the matter to Scotland Yard, they told me they could not do a thing. The conspiracy starts right there but the act is perpetrated in Jamaica which has lax laws on those matters.

    Barbados is not attractive because we do not have and do not encourage nude beaches. This thing apparently happens on the beach.

    This thread has gone far off topic… but I think that what BFP did was malice. Check the headline: “Protected By”. I need to challenge that.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 6, 2009 at 9:35 PM

    Indeed what they have done can easily bring a challenged of defamation to the operators of BFP. Which reminds me that I may have retrieved some old information that I believed points towards one Marcus Thompson and a Shona nee Cheltenham, as being associated with BFP. There is some information about a cliverton person having attended a college in Massachusetts.

  • ROK // September 6, 2009 at 9:49 PM

    Wow! went over to BFP and responded. They still have it under moderation but here is the text:

    You guys are pathetic. You really jealous of BU; yes fellas; all the way to Scotland Yard. has not happened in Barbados and is not the jurisdiction of our authorities. Barbados is being shunned because of the lack of nude beaches.

    You guys had better be careful. This can be construed as an act of malice, especially when it was stated that this is not in Barbados. Why then are you calling for the RBPF to be involved? What can they do? It looks as though you are using this perpetrate the malice. You stated emphatically that it is protected by me. I leave you to figure it out. Don’t be surprised if this backfires on you.

  • Pat // September 6, 2009 at 9:50 PM

    Ebenezer // September 6, 2009 at 9:08 PM

    @Pat: Dogs? BFP has merely taken “pearls of wisdom” from ROK and reproduced them. Wooooooof!
    ***********************************

    Dogs alright. Why did they not release my post on the “white trash” thread bout the real trash that lives up in Nova Scotian, in response to a comment from one Haligonian that they and their whit trash would not be coming to Barbados?

    Is it because the trash is white? Villages of inbreeders reproducing nothing but imbeciles!

    Why did they not print my post about racism against blacks in Halifax schools? Why did they not publish anything about the destruction of Africsville?

    I will tell you why. It involved white people. BFP IS THERE TO DESTROY BARBADOS AND DENIGRATE BLACKS!

    @ AH

    I knew you had that information years ago when I blogged on Barbados Forum. Time to go public, I say.

  • Christopher Halsall // September 6, 2009 at 10:20 PM

    Gosh ROK, and BU.David…

    I’m jealous…

    All I ever get from BFP is the occasional complement or acknowledgement, and my (rare) comment either immediately passing through, or being released from Moderation within minutes…

    Obviously I’m not doing as good a job as you are… Keep it up!

    Seriously….

  • September man // September 6, 2009 at 10:41 PM

    AH you have real inside scoops. Is Desmond Bourne a principal in BFP? The writing and topics are pure Bournesque. The incentuous connection between BFP and Ian Air Bourne is a lead not to be ignored in fingering the Jivin Around guy Dessie Bourne. Over to you AH.

  • Anonymous // September 6, 2009 at 10:48 PM

    Rok

    The BFP I am ssure you are begining to realise is a very racist anti-black blog that was set up with one agenda,to get government to do their bidding.

    I am convinced that the bloggers on BFP are made up mainly of those associated with the Keltruth Blog,of which Pied piper aka Ebenezer is the ring leader.

    That association who post under mutiple names include:jason,west side davie,reality check,pied piper,red lake lassie,Montreal or some other supposedly overseas blogger.

    They are generally at best about 2 persons in there.

    Read their one or 2 liners and you will pick up my drift.

    Then pied piper not satisfied with her mischief runs over here at BU and posts as Ebenezer and some of the other fictitious names.

    If shona cheltenham is really a black bajan married to a white american,then I say shame on you for encouraging your foreign husband to denigrate the name of this country which gave you free education and free health care,just because you feel smug being married to a white man.

    Girl,find your identity please,and stop living through the eyes of someone else.

    BFP has gone too far this time in trying to tarnish the name of roosevelt king.

    Rok comes on this blog and he answers everyone who questions him,without any nasty low remarks,but BFP behaviour is sad to say typical bajan white behaviour.

    I am very disappointed tonight.At least I thought one person in the group would have stopped this behaviour.

  • September man // September 6, 2009 at 11:19 PM

    Anonymous // September 6, 2009 at 10:48 PM

    BFP behaviour is sad to say typical bajan white behaviour.
    ————————————
    Spot on.
    The posts at BFP are strikingly typical of what you hear from the mouths of Bajan whites in their restaurants, bars, hardware stores and so on.

    It is the way they speak ,think ,act.

    Bajan whites definitely big part of BFP. Dont rule out Bizzy in there either.

  • J // September 6, 2009 at 11:58 PM

    From the U.S. House of Representatives Report on Jonestown Findings May 15, 1979

    According to this report Jim Jones engaged in:

    # Rumor spreading in an attempt to ruin reputations or generally implant disinformation, thereby making true facts difficult if not impossible to establish…

    # Intense public relations efforts ranging from letter-writing campaigns to attempted control of news media in an effort to influence public opinion…

    …like-wise, an aggressive program of seeking out political leaders and other influential members of a community in order to cull their favor and establish identification with them.

    Who de cap fit, let him wear it.

  • mash up & buy back // September 7, 2009 at 6:56 AM

    I do not believe Bizzy is a part of BFP.

    However I believe BFP are certainly white bajans.

    I wonder when white bajans will learn to live in harmony with black bajans and stop sterotyping them.

    Whites feel that all blacks want a handout,or are lazy etc.

    To be fair there are sterotypes blacks have of whites too,like they all have money,or class or that they all hate blacks.

    However whereas blacks are willing to reach out and understand their fellow white countrymen,whites operate an almost apartheid system in Barbados,plastering a false grin on their face when they are surronded by blacks in a strange place and are feeling scared but instead there is no smile.

    An insincere grin which they will not show you if they are in their white circles with their white friends.

    Have you noticed white people when they are in Company with their own pretend they don’t see blacks who they know either through school,work or other social interaction?

    This is why I have respect for Bizzy,he did something that upset the bajan elite white circle by marrying an ordinary,black bajan woman.

    Note,not a high brown bajan,or a black bajan with money,but an average girl from a working class family.

    I wish he and his wife well in this apartheid barbadian society.

  • mash up & buy back // September 7, 2009 at 6:57 AM

    6 para – last line -should read – but inside there is no smile.

  • Bimbro // September 7, 2009 at 7:17 AM

    ‘mash up’, here’a little tip for all wunna big-brain Bajans who tink wunna suh cleva! Looka, tek it from me dat every 5 yr ole school-boy an girl know in Inglan to check yuh work before yuh han it in, so, if yuh never learn dah in Bim leh me tell yuh it now! Yuh will do everybody a favour uh wondering wha d france yuh did mean an having to read an re-read wha d ***** yuh said or meant to say, before driving anybody mad and having to say, ‘I meant to say, dis, dat an d udda’! Nuhbody in intristed in yuh excuses! Get it right d firse time!! Dave too nice tuh tell yuh so I gun tell yuh fuh he! Have n’t u noticed my posts hardly ever contain any errors and, dat’s duh reason!! Elementary!! Ud think d ’so-call’ big-brain Bajees would know dat, would n’t u!! mock sticks!!

  • Bimbro // September 7, 2009 at 7:20 AM

    Chris, if u DID have to post a pic could n’t u find a better one to submit! D look pun your face jus mek me want to **** each time!! Is that how u look at ur wife?!!

  • Bimbro // September 7, 2009 at 7:23 AM

    I know ull say it’s ‘off-topic’ but protest I should have the right to come here without being made to feel sick!!

  • Bimbro // September 7, 2009 at 7:33 AM

    ‘mash up’, plus, it’s just sheer good-manners!! Remember them, in Bim of old?!!

  • Ebenezer // September 7, 2009 at 7:38 AM

    Mash up & buy back: Why do you keep holding conversations with yourself? Do you really think that people can’t see that the anonymous conversation above and a number of others is, in fact, you? The very thing that you accuse others of, is what you have been engaging in. This is a tactic of yours that got you banned over at BFP and this is really the source of your pettiness and anger over at BFP. You were caught red-handed over ay BU using multiple handles and setting up conversations with yourself.

  • Bimbro // September 7, 2009 at 8:11 AM

    Helping to raise the stadards of written communication in Bim!! :)

  • mash up & buy back // September 7, 2009 at 8:12 AM

    Bimbro

    Please go and take your medication.

  • Ebenezer // September 7, 2009 at 8:18 AM

    David, why are all of my posts going to moderation and then never seeing the light of day? Is this your new position on “freedom of speech”?

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 8:27 AM

    Barbados Free Press is for those white canadians/bajans and the ones at home. The only story of a Pimp in Barbados has as it’s principle character, a WHITE BAJAN, and Rather than deal with this BFP ignores it and the so called “truth” blog could only mention the story 2-3 years after it occurs. But WHITE BFP takes the cake by ignoring the alleged WHITE CRIMINAL to focus on a BLACK man with a flimsy article base on false accociations. WHITE PEOPLE CAN DO NO WRONG FOR BFP.

    The truth is WHITE BAJANS break the countries Laws with impunity and merely recieves a court appearance and possible a fine. Nothing more.

    Peter Morgan publicaly destroys crown property and the police reluctently charge him some three weekes after.

    White Lawyer Greenidge beats a black citizen while calling him a nigger and gets away with it.

    A white tourist and British hooligan soccer player hurls racial slurs at black motorist and gets away with it.

    A

  • John // September 7, 2009 at 9:01 AM

    Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 8:27 AM

    A white tourist and British hooligan soccer player hurls racial slurs at black motorist and gets away with it.

    ++++++++++++++++++

    What exactly was the racial slur, how did it break the law, and what happened to make you say they got away with it?

    BTW, why do you use the term “hooligan”?

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 9:14 AM

    John I have been meaing to say this to you for a some time. FUCK OFF. I would love to say it to your face. Care to meet? or have a telephone conversation?

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 9:17 AM

    Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 9:14 AM

    John I have been meaing to say this to you for a some time. F off. I would love to say it to your face. Care to meet? or have a telephone conversation?

    What I had intended to say, was moderated.

  • Anonymous // September 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM

    “John I have been meaing to say this to you for a some time. FUCK OFF. I would love to say it to your face. Care to meet? or have a telephone conversation?”

    The above is a typical Adrian Hinds response when a white person asks a perfectly reasonable question. I have no doubt whatsoever, that if the same questions had been asked by one of his black buddies, he would have responded n a very different way. And please note the not so subtle threatening tone he takes. Sad.

  • Ebenezer // September 7, 2009 at 10:09 AM

    The last sentence of my previous post, addressed to Mash up, should have read: “You were caught red-handed over at BFP using multiple handles and setting up conversations with yourself.”

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 10:13 AM

    QUOTE
    Brit couple absent again from court
    Published on: 10/17/06.

    by HEATHER-LYNN EVANSON

    A FORMER BRITISH FOOTBALLER and his now former wife, accused of making racist remarks, could have court marshals and police on their heels if they are a no-show on their next court appearance.

    Nicola Michelle Sedgley, 33, who did not show up for her court date in July, was again absent when the matter was called in the District “A” Magistrates’ Court yesterday.

    Her former husband, 34-year-old Stephen Philip Sedgley, who owns a watersport business here, has been missing since July 2005.

    The two have allegedly put their Mount Standfast, St James home up for sale.

    “When they were here, the other side did not say the house was up for sale,” Chief Magistrate Clyde Nicholls said yesterday.

    “When they were before me, I gathered they were here to live. If November 6 comes and they are not here, then we will have to do what is necessary,” he noted.

    Philip Sedgley is accused of assaulting Wanda McClean and Shelly Dear, as well as using the words: “You [expletive] niggers,” to McClean, Dear and Kimberly Rock on July 4, 2004 – insulting words which were intended or which may reasonably be interpreted as likely to stir up, or were capable of stirring up, hatred against the Negro section of Barbados.

    Nicola Sedgley is charged with assaulting Dear and using the words: “You black . . .” to McClean and Rock on the same date.

    In June the Sedgleys, through their counsel Sir Richard Cheltenham, QC, had given the court the undertaking they would apologise to, and compensate the three women.

    But yesterday one of the complainants, Shelly Dear, said she had only received a letter of apology, in draft, via fax.

    “But we haven’t heard anything from Sir Richard and we haven’t heard anything from Mr Comissiong,” she said.

    In addition, she said it appeared the two defendants had put their house up for sale.

    And this prompted attorney Sally Comissiong, who was holding for her husband David, to ask that warrants be issued for the Sedgleys.

    “I’ve been told they were not present on the last occasion and it looks like they are not interested in bringing this matter to an end,” she said.

    Chief Magistrate Clyde Nicholls adjourned the matter until November 6.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 10:31 AM

    On BFP only black people are charged with their version of racism. Any black person who refers to someone as a negrocrat, or causcasion, white trash can recieve BFP’s unique racist brand. While whites in Barbados are beating blacks, calling them nigger, damaging property, baing racialy offensives toward blacks motorist etc without mention or full coverage from BFP and the so called truth blog. Wunnuh can’t fool me.

  • mash up & buy back // September 7, 2009 at 10:36 AM

    Ebenezer

    You got some nerve accusing me.

    BFP is certainly not my choice of poison but is clear you are fishing.

    I am sorry to have broken my last promise not to respond to you as Adrian suggested,but help me here please; if I am having a conversation with myself,why are you responding?

    The truth above came too close to home huh pied piper?

    I notice you did not respond to that but instead throw out a red herring.ha ha

    You are a real frustrated malicious bitch.

    Why can’t you keep off this site pied piper?

    You and LIB and your BFP gang are really a sorry lot.

    The ship is going down my friend,you better get off while you can.

  • ROK // September 7, 2009 at 10:58 AM

    @David

    This is so funny. All the non bloggers that calling me want to know what it is I doing in Barbados Underground. They are not asking me about BFP. LOL! It backfiring. The word that spreading is that something exciting going on at BU. So I sending them to BU not BFP.

  • Rickey George // September 7, 2009 at 11:12 AM

    @Anonymous and ROK, Let me be frank. Anonymous // September 6, 2009 at 10:48 PM says ‘Rok comes on this blog and he answers everyone who questions him,without any nasty low remarks…’ Read the reply that ROK gave my last question to him and tell us all if that is an answer. Please try to be objective and honest.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 11:15 AM

    Rickey George you are not important. We have things of national importance to attent too.

  • Rickey George // September 7, 2009 at 11:18 AM

    @ROK // September 6, 2009 at 8:41 AM wrote: ‘@Rickey George

    You seem to be another chapter of one LIB and I am not getting into any semantics with you or no brow beating with you. No wonder you sound like a white man. You need brain surgery; something loose up there. You paying too much sin-tax.’

    Mr King you did not answer any questions but instead deflected it by drawing attention to how it could represent someone else’s idea. However, is the question valid or not?

    Who cares what the question sounds like? A non answer is also an answer: it means the point made is valid.

    Maybe I need to keep repeating the question but guess what? You will continue to deflect because to do otherwise will expose your arguments as being full of fallacies. So spare us the theatricals. You are supposed to be a responsible given your position with BANGO, as a representative of civil society. So, please deal with issues as if that position means something. Why not assume that the question came from the government official or Minister who is your counterpart in tripartite discussions. Would you respond as you have? If so, I will rest.

    The matter of how you see race and racism is a good subject to take to another public forum and while the blogs are interesting the newspapers are also read avidly. So look for this to get aired there. If the head of BANGO has these views that is worthy of public notice: ITAL and all that.

    Dissembling is not accountability.

  • John // September 7, 2009 at 11:21 AM

    Adrian

    Philip Sedgley is accused of assaulting Wanda McClean and Shelly Dear, as well as using the words: “You [expletive] niggers,” to McClean, Dear and Kimberly Rock on July 4, 2004 – insulting words which were intended or which may reasonably be interpreted as likely to stir up, or were capable of stirring up, hatred against the Negro section of Barbados.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    In my case the expletive used by a “black” rasta against me was red as in “you red nigger”.

    I can only guess what was intended by the rasta but I could not say about the words that they could “reasonably be interpreted as likely to stir up, or were capable of stirring up, hatred against the Negro section of Barbados.”

    What exactly is the Negro section of Barbados?

    Is this section recognised in law as being distinct?

    How does a bajan get to belong to the Negro section of Barbados?

    Does such a section actually exist?

    I couldn’t find the word hooligan used in the article.

    ….. assault now is a whole nedda matter.

  • Anonymous // September 7, 2009 at 11:28 AM

    John you are the sheer reason why racism willlll ALWAYS exist! Sickening lot!

    You believe that although the stories are there and still here for every one to see you and your kind refuse to accept or acknowledge the truth!

    AH was right to buse your racist asssss!

    Silly man!

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 11:32 AM

    In Barbados those who can with much ease and clarity be accused of being racist are known by their actions. Actions universially recongize as racist and or racially motivated. We did not have to come up with deliberatly exclusive terms such as BFP did, to target those we know of.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM

    How on earth can ROK be racist, and Winston Greenidge is not??? ROK did you ever beat a person of a different race fired a gun and called them a raicial slur?

  • John // September 7, 2009 at 12:05 PM

    Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 9:14 AM

    John I have been meaing to say this to you for a some time. FUCK OFF. I would love to say it to your face. Care to meet? or have a telephone conversation?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Before we meet or have a telephone conversation just answer the simple questions honestly.

    Your answers will determine if there is any point meeting or talking.

  • ROK // September 7, 2009 at 12:12 PM

    @AH
    Never even got into an argument with a white man that I could think of, far less pull a gun. At school, I was not a favourite of slapping heads so when it was my turn I never indulged in the lawless acts of slapping heads. It had to be something very offensive. Can’t even remember slapping a white head.

    Next thing is that I detest guns and to tell the truth I don’t know what I would do if somebody pulled a gun on me. For sure, I would not freeze because most people that walk about with guns can’t shoot to hit an elephant.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 12:13 PM

    WHIT British soccer player Philip Sedgley and his wife were charged under the Public order act. This is the same act that was pass by Errol Barrow to curtail the activities of people like Elombe Mottley and Bobby clarke. Surely John would have thought it a necessary action to be taken to preserve the peace from these uppity black power black men. Tom Adams promise to repeal this act but never did. How dare black Barbados charge two white people under this act????

  • Bimbro // September 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM

    mash up & buy back // September 7, 2009 at 8:12 AM

    Bimbro

    Please go and take your medication.

    **************

    Alright ‘mash-up’!!

    Laaaaaadddddddddddddd!! :)

  • Bimbro // September 7, 2009 at 12:44 PM

    Ebenezer // September 7, 2009 at 10:09 AM

    The last sentence of my previous post, addressed to Mash up, should have read: “You were caught red-handed over at BFP using multiple handles and setting up conversations with yourself.”

    *********

    Ebenezer, perhaps u understand better now why I wrote my several posts earlier this morning. Such a pity people can’t take perfectly plain, simple and appropriate advice!

  • John // September 7, 2009 at 12:52 PM

    ROK // September 7, 2009 at 12:12 PM

    Next thing is that I detest guns and to tell the truth I don’t know what I would do if somebody pulled a gun on me. For sure, I would not freeze because most people that walk about with guns can’t shoot to hit an elephant.
    ++++++++++++++++++

    Likewise ROK, I detest guns …. and violence, but I try not to make assumptions about any person.

    I rather discuss matters if people want to …. or just keep quiet …. if I feel like.

    Pretty difficult for someone to insult me and get me to react physically or with like insults ….. don’t see any point.

    …. will usually try to apply logic, …. but sometimes unfortunately, even this makes people vex …. perhaps they think I am ignoring them….. so most times I will just keep quiet.

    No person will get me to change an opinion on a matter or a theory unless the person can replace it with something that makes sense to me and presents facts that fit their stance.

    Likewise I expect any other person to have similar feelings and I would not waste my time imposing my opinions on that person.

    If confronted with a stance that conflicts with what I know, I will ask for clarification and say what I know that conflicts with the stance.

    I like nothing more than learning something new and certainly I did …. both from the discussion, and the books it forced me to read.

  • Johnnie Too Bad // September 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM

    Bimbro, my old pal, I did not know that you were ill and on medication. You know what is wrong with you, its the loss of that pretty girl, and now you want to keep Bonny to yourself. Bimbro you too greedy man, but I wish you better. I would invite Bonny to my hacienda but I am not sure the wife could deal with that kind of heat.

  • John // September 7, 2009 at 1:21 PM

    Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 12:13 PM

    WHIT British soccer player Philip Sedgley and his wife were charged under the Public order act.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … so does the Public Order Act defines a “Negro section” of the population?

    Googled Public Order Act Barbados but can’t find it.

    I just cannot see how an act of parliament would seek to segregate the Barbados Population into sections and if that is really so, the framing of the charge is really poor.

    That is not to say that I think that calling a person “you [expletive] nigger” can in anyway be right ….. even if the expletive happened to be red.

  • brek down // September 7, 2009 at 2:16 PM

    Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM

    The Highgate racial attack involve Goodridge not Greenidge.

    Mash and buy back dont get tie up.

    Every move Bajan whites make Bizzy

    and Cow know about , they have veto

    power. Williams boys is Ayatollahs in

    white Barbados.

  • Negroman // September 7, 2009 at 2:19 PM

    Barbados Free Press with the human rat Jack Bowman are a peculiar lot.Barbados Free Press removed Barbados Underground link from their side bar and castigated the same very Barbados Underground.Lo & behold the white human misfits & white trash for human beings like typical white whores are are nit-picking at the contributions from Barbados Underground contributors.If not for Barbados Underground those white whores at Barbados Free Press will have no issues to discuss.Two of their more popular topics are those attacking Barbados Underground.A pathetic lot of white human trash.

    Adrian Hinds,Rok,Yardbroom & special mention to BushTea you all are doing a wonderful job of exposing the double standards,& deceit of white people.The above mentioned have used the philosophical,intellectual & have stated facts when discussing the issue of racism in such a way that the white despots over at Barbados Free Press are unable to handle.Those white lunatics are now resorting to threats of police investigations and the law.A bunch of white,clowns.

    White people in Barbados Black Barbadians are not afraid of you all and we will challenge any stinking white Barbadian or white expatriate that threaten us.The challenge might not necessarily be physical but we will respond in the appropriate way when require.
    MASSA DAY DONE

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 2:43 PM

    I do not understand your fascination with the use of the noun “negro”. It was in the newspaper article, and I don’t know if it appeared on the charge document. So what of the word Negro? Noir, Nero, Mahogany, Ebony, Nubian, Black. All of these words have one meaning. Negro is a spanish noun, decendent of the word Niger, meaning black. So what exactly are you questioning? The use of the word “Negro” as a legitmate form of identification? or that the public order act is not fitted to the charge of “stirring up hatred” by the use of the N word?

    I am not following you at all.

    It was 1970. Black was beautiful. Black power was helping Blacks to redefine themselves in a very hostile environment. Many of them renamed themselves and asserted their Africanity. They sang praises like their long forgotten ancestors. They learned the meanings of admonitions like “Yuh don’t sweep yuh house after dark”, which meant that sweeping out a house after dark would bring bad luck because you may sweep out the good spirits and leave the bad ones.

    …And Errol Barrow passed the Public Order Act for Bobby Clarke and Elombe Mottley to stop the meetings and the talk.

    [Whte People did not like it (talk and meetings)]

    Tom Adams succumbed to pressure of the white lobby by banning the burning of “Mr. Harding” to end the Crop-Over Festival because Whites complained that the ritual was being used by Elombe to symbolically burn white people.

    What you (John), BFP and the present day white lobby are doing is simply attempting to continue what Elmobe told us occurred in the 60’s 70’s, and it should be noted that the high number of white Bajan/canadians who are currently engage is the most disgusting denigrating of Black Barbadians for things that whites are as guilty of with narry a mention of such, tells a likely story, of persons who may have left Barbados during the period that Elombe tells us about. Somebody may need to tell them that the fear they once inflicted on us, no longer has the same effect.

    1960, 70’s
    White people belonged to white clubs – Pickwick, Wanderers, Carlton, YMPC and Windward – and only socialised with black people when opposing teams met. If they were black-and-white clubs, I cannot recall.
    Many English expatriates who came to the island to teach or work were warned not to join black clubs or associate socially with black people.
    Anyone who broke the unspoken code and spoke about the way white people behaved was punished. He or she was ostracised not only by Whites but by Blacks and more often than not the political system. I remember it took three months of arguing with Jimmy Cozier to get my first letter on this issue published in the Daily News. I also remember the fight with Robert Best to get the Advocate to use the word black in reference to black people.
    I recall that I could not even speak to fifth form students at St Michael’s Girl School (as it was then) unless, as the headmistress said, a white man came to “rebut what I was saying”.
    People who wore Afros or natural hair were threatened with dismissal or dismissed from their jobs.
    There was an unholy fear in the land that retribution was at hand. Pressure was brought to bear on Errol Barrow, hence the Public Order Act.

    [How dare they attempt to charge white people with this act? This act was created by a blackman to keep his blacks in check]

  • John // September 7, 2009 at 3:30 PM

    Adrian

    That’s a nice long story …. and I am almost tempted to say let’s hear another one!!

    Simple question:

    Does the Public Order Act define a Negro section of the Barbadian population or not?

    I may get to where there are law books sometime in the near future and will see what the act actually says for myself.

    Whenever I do, I will let you know.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 3:37 PM

    Does the Public Order Act define a Negro section of the Barbadian population or not?

    Is this repeat silly questions time? Of course it does not! and it does not define a white section either or does it? If not why was it created to shut up Elombe and his Black power, black concience talk? what was the fear?

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 3:40 PM

    John // September 7, 2009 at 3:30 PM

    Adrian

    That’s a nice long story …. and I am almost tempted to say let’s hear another one!!
    ————————————

    Is this your way of saying it is all or in part lies? Such is uncharacteristic of you. You would normanly apply your own stories to combat those of others. I think you like to call them facts. What? you don’t have any right now?

  • John // September 7, 2009 at 3:47 PM

    So Adrian,

    if the charge is made under the Public order act (your words if I am not mistaken) that the use of the phrase “you [expletive] nigger” may reasonably be interpreted as likely to stir up, or were capable of stirring up, hatred against the Negro section of Barbados …..

    ….. then what likelihood does it have of sticking if there is no Negro section defined in the act?

    Is there a Negro section defined anywhere in the laws of Barbados?

  • John // September 7, 2009 at 3:48 PM

    … my guess Adrian is that the matter was settled amicably!!

  • Anonymous // September 7, 2009 at 4:03 PM

    Amicably my ASSSSSS!

    Like most black persons they took the money and ran!

    We need to stop taking handouts!

    John you are DANGEROUS!

  • John // September 7, 2009 at 4:09 PM

    Anonymous // September 7, 2009 at 4:03 PM

    Like most black persons they took the money and ran!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Do you think this statement could be construed to have a racist meaning?

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 4:44 PM

    I took the nation newspaper report as just that. The news paper’s account or attempted definition of what the specifics of actual charge under the public order act would or should be. I am quite certain that the actual charge did not include anything about a negro section, which seems to be conveniently stuck in your craw. The facts are is that they had a charge to answer, that they presumably with the guidance of their lawyer Cheltenham issued an apology via fax, and had agreed to pay damages, though not paid at the time of the article..

    But lets say as I think can be safely assumed, there is no mention of a negro section in the act. What is your point????

  • Jack Bowman // September 7, 2009 at 4:51 PM

    Dear “BU family”

    [An assumption that would be made by a reasonable person, on the basis of the record, is that the owner/publisher/editor of the blog known as “Barbados Underground” will respond to this comment with this message: “Your comment is awaiting moderation”. Thereafter, the comment will be deleted from the public area of Barbados Underground, though there will always be a record elsewhere. May it thus be placed on the record].

    Mr. Roosevelt O. King, displaying absolutely no worry at all about the trafficked child prostitutes he claims to know, says this about child prostitution and people trafficking:

    “This is so funny. All the non bloggers that calling me want to know what it is I doing in Barbados Underground. They are not asking me about BFP. LOL!”

    Mr. King seems to find this so funny that he is “laughing out loud.”

    It’s an abiding and important question as to whether any representative of the United Nations or the European Union or the Organization of American States were among the non-bloggers who called him, or who called his organization.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 4:51 PM

    The nation news article said that they were charged under the public order act. And i believe that the whte racist father and son tagged team duo of Goodridge and Goodridge were also charge under the public order act.

    Do you think this statement could be construed to have a racist meaning?

    you and your white lobby really need to reconsider your attempts to redefine racism and or what can be concidered racist. You have no moral authority to so do.

  • ROK // September 7, 2009 at 5:05 PM

    @Adrian/John

    Link to a copy of the Public Order Act:
    http://www.igloo.org/bangoonline/download-nocache/Library/statutes/publicorderactpdf

    Don’t expect to find a definition of negro or negro section in it.

  • ROK // September 7, 2009 at 5:11 PM

    @John

    “then what likelihood does it have of sticking if there is no Negro section defined in the act?”

    You are missing the point. The reference to negro or negro section of the population is to identify who would be or was offended. If it had happened to the Indian population then the charge would have read the Indian section of the population; if it was Asian it would have said Asian and also show how these persons would have been affected and that it was a threat to public peace or law and order; National Security.

  • PardonMe // September 7, 2009 at 5:14 PM

    @Adrian

    Watch out. Anytime the word, white or racist is used in a sentence or even mentioned on this blog, there is an infamous blog that takes the context and makes it into an article to not only slam BU but to slam the writer.

    This is just a reminder, even though I know you can certainly handle any thing where your name is attached LOL.

  • Yardbroom // September 7, 2009 at 5:37 PM

    I some jurisdictions there is reference to sections of the community in Law. For example the English citizens to whom you refer if they were charged in England.

    There is the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 section 29

    Racially or Religiously Aggravated assault occasioning actual bodily harm.

    (I am not saying there were allegations of assault in the case mentioned)

    But the reference to race – racial abuse – would have aggravated the offence and it would have been more “serious” as a result; a more onerous penalty would ensue on conviction.

  • John // September 7, 2009 at 5:39 PM

    Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 4:51 PM

    The nation news article said that they were charged under the public order act. And i believe that the whte racist father and son tagged team duo of Goodridge and Goodridge were also charge under the public order act.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You mean you don’t know?

  • ROK // September 7, 2009 at 5:45 PM

    To all BU Family

    We are taking on intimidation from BFP. They obviously think they have themselves covered but they examine themselves again.

    We cannot be intimidated by them because it would mean that in this day and age, racism still working on us. They don’t have a monopoly on anything. Let them not scare you with law suits and try to govern us down with defamatory posts. They charging others with racism and look what they doing?

    I not going to threaten them with anything, because I think that our men and women should have spine. Don’t let them phase you. I can handle myself; don’t worry about me.

    If it was not for my good friend I would not even have known what they saying over there because I just don’t go there. I told them that if they want me to answer questions come on BU and ask and I will gladly answer because I do not contribute to BFP.

    One handle namede Keltruth (or is it Kill-truth) as me to visit his/her/it blog and make a comment. He/she/it must be mad. Come attacking me and want me on their blogs? If they felt that my contributing would do something to the blog, then they should have approached me as a person and ask me to visit their blogs and comment and I would have… but no, they want to pull me out there by pelting big rocks and hiding.

    This is a threat to freedom of speech. Those people out there have no respect for freedom of speech. People who try to make themselves look superior in their attempt to shut up people and trample their reputation.

    Incidentally, that is the MO of a racist. That is what the white racist have been using on us all these years. “Boy, you look like a monkey.” “You too black”. “Your nose too wide”. “Your mouth too big”. “You don’t have any intelligence”… all the time, trying to take advantage of humble people.

    That is total abuse and the height of irresponsibility and it could only be for selfish ends. It is far worse than anything said in this blog; far worst than Negroman adjectives because they trying to hurt living people just to get an edge. Dog eat dog. The wickedness of BFP.

  • John // September 7, 2009 at 5:49 PM

    Yardbroom // September 7, 2009 at 5:37 PM

    I some jurisdictions there is reference to sections of the community in Law. For example the English citizens to whom you refer if they were charged in England.

    There is the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 section 29

    Racially or Religiously Aggravated assault occasioning actual bodily harm.

    (I am not saying there were allegations of assault in the case mentioned)

    But the reference to race – racial abuse – would have aggravated the offence and it would have been more “serious” as a result; a more onerous penalty would ensue on conviction.
    +++++++++++++++++++++

    This makes a bit more sense.

  • Bimbro // September 7, 2009 at 5:50 PM

    Hi Johnnie, I in pun nuh medicine man but, if dah’s wuh sumbody wants tuh believe den let dum!! It doan bodda me!!

    Laaaaadddddddddd!!

    I can’t comment about Bonny, John! She’s got a fella already an dat’s enuf fuh me!!

    Lord a mercy!!

  • John // September 7, 2009 at 5:53 PM

    ROK

    …. but how on earth did the Nation reporter get the story so garbled?

    Is the Nation then responsible for creating a “threat to public peace or law and order” ?

    Who came up with the term “Negro section”, the Nation or the lawyers?

  • ROK // September 7, 2009 at 6:24 PM

    @John

    The report is just that, a report. It is not a legal document and reference to negro section as I said is to identify the offending party. Maybe this was the term used by the lawyers to identify the victims and properly locate the crime as racist by nature. Here is where YB comment is useful:
    “Racially or Religiously Aggravated assault occasioning actual bodily harm.”

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 7:06 PM

    Other than to obfuscate the consistency of evidence that demonstrate a clear pattern of WHITE RACIAL INTIMIDATION in Barbados what is the purpose of determining if the Public Order act mentions the word NEGRO in it?

    Are you wanting to deny that the hooligan Slegleys utterred the N word to two black women in Barbados?

    Are you wanting to deny that they had a case to answer? that they had agreed to issue an apology and to pay damages, although they may not have honored the latter?

    Again if you can be honest for once on this issue John tell us in simply lay terms what is your concern with the word negro, in the context to which it applies to the issue of a white man and woman uttering racial slurs at blacks in Barbados???? Wishing that it were not the case is not enough.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 7:20 PM

    What the NationNews article report reads
    ——————
    Philip Sedgley is accused of assaulting Wanda McClean and Shelly Dear, as well as using the words: “You [expletive] niggers,” to McClean, Dear and Kimberly Rock on July 4, 2004 – insulting words which were intended or which may reasonably be interpreted as likely to stir up, or were capable of stirring up, hatred against the Negro section of Barbados.
    —————————————

    what the Public order section 33 says

    ————————–
    33. (1) A person is guilty of an offence if .
    he uses in any public place or at any public meeting
    words which are threatening, abusive or insulting,
    being matter or words intended or which may reasonably be
    interpreted as likely to stir up or to be capable of stirring up
    hatred against any section of the public in Barbados distinguished
    by colour, race or creed.

  • Bush Tea // September 7, 2009 at 7:32 PM

    @Adrian
    I want you to consider for a moment that the problem with the white people in Barbados is not racism.

    What racism what?!!

    Believe me, them people just plain scared. You really think that in a world of phenomenal black advances in every possible area of life -these people could seriously feel that they are from a ’superior’ race?
    What is coming to an end, is decades of black people devaluing OUR own worth.

    They are just plain frighten!!

    This is why they are so paranoid about not getting their own way….where will it end?

    Take ru4real. The ABC highway thing is long a fait accompli. EVERYTHING DONE FOR 3S. yet the man on and on with the same foolishness…… can’t accept that he did not get his way.

    ..for GENERATIONS we had to swallow hard, bite we lips and move on…

    BFP can’t believe that black people could DARE to criticize them and dismiss their pet projects!! ..far less cuss their tail like Negroman, …so they are on a warpath…. well so be it.

    I think that the nail in their coffin was Barrack Obama.
    … not to mention Rihanna, Ryan, Bolt, and practically every other athlete on earth of any note….

    Now they come on these blogs expecting deference and bowing and scraping as had become the custom in Barbados – only to come across proud black Bajans who stand up and give no quarter, who are frighteningly intelligent, knowledgeable, and proud.

    THAT must hurt….!

    “..LORD What NEXT?” must be the main item on their agendas at Cattlewash and Bath….

    Problem is that-they assume that we will behave like they kind, and so they probably worry a lot, and hardly sleep at night…..

    But tell them that we are NOT like that! We fight for justice and equality. We are not about revenge and retribution…

    They should have no fear and can sleep well….

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 7:34 PM

    Was the public order act ever intended to be use to prosecute White Barbadians? Was it’s sole purpose to keep the black man in check? This may be a case of a law design for “their” protection being used against them. They can be none to please about this. What say you John?

    Maybe this explains the rush by BFP and the white bajan/canadian lobby to introduce as many exotic terms into the bajan lexicon of racial slurs. Wanting to even things out? Negrocrat and Caucasion are two that comes to mind.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 8:17 PM

    BT I hear you. I often times wonder where John, in particular is coming from. The quickness and energy with which he jumps on any comment that can in the remotest terms be linked to race, truly makes me wonder about him. It is also one of the reasons I asked David to do a weekly article on race. John has not disappointed in rising to the occasion everytime.
    I assume John is white and lives in Barbados, and while he seems to share the fear the Bajan/Canadians and BFP exhibits, his approach and responses are not of the demanding, “I am better than thou type of responses typical of that group’. I sense a distinct difference between those whites living abroad (canada) and those living on the rock. This is why I had ask John if the Bajan/Canadian lobby and BFP are speaking on behalf of White Bajans in Barbados. I am not fully convince this is the case.

    My reasons for this are several. One though is my online interaction a couple of years ago with several presume to be, white Bajan rally fans. It was centered around complaints from the public on a rally meet somewhere that led to issues with person getting to and from their homes. The response from the rally fans who hang out online at Zhust.com was fast, plentiful and pro rally. In the end we were able to reach concensus on the way forward. I ended up defending their right to rally as they agreed that errors were made and would be corrected. Indeed I saw ADs and news reports that demonstrated a clear intent to win the trust of public.

    The folks at BFP and the Bajan/Canadian lobby seem to be a group of person who left Barbados at a time when White intimidation and fear of them was rampant. You can sense that air of superiority in their comments. That attitude that “what I say matters and that you had better believe it or else”. So that there are besides themselves that we sub-humans and sub-literates or off-springs thereof, that they left back on the island can now be talking up and back at them. They must be put in their place, they seem to be saying.

    I think there is a distinct difference between those Whites at home and those commenting on BFP. But I could be wrong.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 8:48 PM

    PardonMe // September 7, 2009 at 5:14 PM

    @Adrian

    Watch out. Anytime the word, white or racist is used in a sentence or even mentioned on this blog, there is an infamous blog that takes the context and makes it into an article to not only slam BU but to slam the writer.

    This is just a reminder, even though I know you can certainly handle any thing where your name is attached LOL.
    ————————————————–
    Thanks for the warning. There is little untility in targeting me. I am not a big fish like ROK. LOL! Then again to target me, may lead to a backlash of things that they thought they have long gotten rid off from the internet. I am known to have download entire websites, pictures, and what I have not captured may still be available via the Internet way back machine. ha ha ha

    But isn’t it funny that after BFP remove BU from their sidebar they are now reduce to copying articles from BU to give intermittent relevancy to themselves? When last have you heard them bragged about being the number one bajan blog? Certainly not in the last three months during which time their traffic stats have registered a 53% decline.

  • Bush Tea // September 7, 2009 at 9:01 PM

    You are dead right Adrian.
    While most of the ones living here have come to realize that, far from being superior, they will need to work hard in future to keep up with blacks; the ones that left before, still feel that they dealing with the ‘boys in de yard’.. like the 70’s

    …some of the ones here still feel so too, but those are the really stupid ones who actually used to believe that they were superior.

    These are difficult days in which to portray an air of ’superiority’ -unless you are REALLY superior. (as LIB found out- LOL) …. when you have spent your whole life protected in a cocoon of racial privilege it has to be frightening to realize that it was all a farce – and that you may well need to actually live by your real abilities down the road.

    ….the experience of BFP is not encouraging at all….

    …and by the way Themis, on BU we call a spade a spade, a white a white and a foreigner a foreigner. (you don’t want to know what we call lawyers…LOL)
    If you can’t stand the heat, try the veranda….

  • Georgie Porgie // September 7, 2009 at 9:31 PM

    @ Bush Tea

    and by the way Themis, on BU we call a spade a spade, a white a white and a foreigner a foreigner. (you don’t want to know what we call lawyers…LOL)
    If you can’t stand the heat, try the veranda….
    ======

    He doesnt want to know how BT treats doctors ON BU either- especially those who went to KOLIJ LOL LOL Murder

    BT I see you pontificating on another thread about parables again. Or is it that you are an expert about virgins (foolish and wise), and you were disguising this by referring to one of the subjects of Matthew 25?.

  • ROK // September 7, 2009 at 9:32 PM

    @AH

    I need clarity on that information. e-mail me: admin@bango.org.bb
    My e-mail is public information so don’t worry about it.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 9:32 PM

    @Break down:
    Thanks for the correction (goodridge) not greenidge.

    @Jack Bowman
    Jack Bowman // September 7, 2009 at 4:51 PM

    Dear “BU family”
    ———————————————-
    DEAR? and Family????? US sub-human and sub-literates?? your family????? surely I am mistaken, or you are drunk. But we black and you are Jack Bowman???

  • Bush Tea // September 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM

    @ GP
    Be fair.
    You KNOW that Bush Tea have nothing but respect for Doctor GP.

    ……PASTOR GP is quite another matter – especially on the topic of parables LOL.

    What Kolij what?! I thought you said you was a Foundation man??? I will leave the Technician to put you right…

  • Georgie Porgie // September 7, 2009 at 9:56 PM

    But GP whereas I am a doctor I am not a pastor (though I have spoken at Bible Conferences in at least three islands).

    I spent one year at Foundation which I thoroughly enjoyed and 8 at Kolij, where I had a ball playing bat and ball, table tennis and where I spent many hours in the darkroom, as I was a photo enthusiast in those days.

    When it comes to rightly dividing the Word with respect to parables, I submit to you, that BT is definitely a virgin, and not a wise one either! Murder.

  • Georgie Porgie // September 7, 2009 at 9:57 PM

    That should be but BT

  • Rickey George // September 7, 2009 at 10:22 PM

    @ROK, I see that the silence remains, but now there seems to be a ventriloquist. Who is this person Adrian Hinds and how does he decide what is important. I have read some of his posts and sorry to say they seem quite trite. So, ROK. I will look in again tomorrow and hope that you can offer a few answers that some say you always give.

    I do not have time to spend all day commenting on a blog like some of you. Time for other work.

  • Clairmont // September 7, 2009 at 10:45 PM

    Poor GP,…Uh mean BT, uh mean he not me, as in you not I. ha ha ha and I thought such errors were beneath you? ha ha

    @Rickey George:
    Yuh know LIB would have said the same thing. Are you related to Boy George????

  • John // September 7, 2009 at 10:53 PM

    Adrian

    33. (1) A person is guilty of an offence if .
    he uses in any public place or at any public meeting
    words which are threatening, abusive or insulting,
    being matter or words intended or which may reasonably be
    interpreted as likely to stir up or to be capable of stirring up
    hatred against any section of the public in Barbados distinguished
    by colour, race or creed

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Let’s apply this to four different scenarios, two of which I have described already.

    Firstly the Right Excellent The Honourable Erroll Walton Barrow at a public meeting allegedly announces that he would like to put all the “white” people in Barbados on the Lord Combermere, take it out to sea and sink it.

    If the public order act was in place when he allegedly uttered those words would be have been guilty of an offence and more importantly, against whom?

    My answers are yes he would have been guilty of an offence and the offence would have been against the people of Barbados ……… all of them, every shade and colour, …. open and shut.

    Secondly, ROK comes onto a blog and compares black men to mere cows. Is he guilty of an offence … and more importantly, against whom?

    Is the blog a public place or a public meeting? ……. well …. kind of.

    Do his words stir up hatred against any section of the public? ….. well men…. not women …. and black men ….. and well, …. am ….. not sure if hatred is the right word …… more like derision.

    Thirdly, I make my way through Bridgetown and a “black” Rasta calls me a “Red Nigger”. Is he guilty of an offence and more importantly against whom?

    Bridgetown is a public place … true …. but could those words uttered in front of a handfull of people really stir up hatred against the “Red” section of the public, and in any case how would the “Red” section of the public be specified?

    …… maybe, maybe not …… pretty difficult to say if the handfull of people would bother to tell anyone or like me …… just laugh and get on with their day.

    Fourthly, the Sedgeleys are involved in an auto accident.

    During a heated exchange the words “you [expletive] niggers” are allegedly uttered by Philip Sedgeley.

    We don’t know how many, if indeed any members of the public were there to hear them.

    Let’s assume there were none.

    Which section of the public would Philip Sedgeley’s words stir hatred up against?

    Yes he allegedly uttered them in a public place, the road …… and apparently five people were present two of whom will no doubt swear he never said them, one of them being him.

    I find it interesting that the Nation says he is accused of uttering the words … by whom? …. the people of Barbados? ….. a section of the public …

    It would be interesting to know if the matter was a civil matter between the three ladies and the Sedgeleys.

    No doubt if he said them he is way, way out of line ….. like the “black” Rasta.

    But I am not sure I could say that those words allegedly uttered by the two men, the Rasta and Philip Sedgeley really stirred up hatred against any section of the population …..

    ……. besides the”n” word is routinely used as a term of affectionate greeting among brothers.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 11:37 PM

    John you must be a member of the fantastic four. My God can you stretch things!

    If you had brought such a case against Barrow you would have lost hands down. White people can never mean all Barbadians. Your dreams of a colourless society is not shared by others or reality. I am happy being coloured.

    First good luck finding a black man to bring such a case against ROK. Secondly who is going to believe you that calling someone a COW is capable of stirring up hatred against a certain section of public by distinguishing by colour, race or creed? Would like them to add “or likiness to an animal”? This is what I talked about exotic terms not to be found in the bajan lexicon of racial slurs. Clearly not in law. In fact to be called a COW may make a fella smile and to ask yuh mean Williams?

    No the internet is not a public place as per the law, the law will need to be amended to include the internet.

    You had a case under the public order act, you should have brought it to court. I think you would have lost because I do not think that there is a precedent for whites or red people in Barbados being targeted as red niggers, and being offended by such a label. Maybe this is the reason you did not take him to court. You did not feel aggreived then as you wish to say now that you were. Are you saying anything to have an argument?

    I will not join you is using assumptions when known facts are available. The Slegley’s via their Lawyer Sir Richard thought they had a case to answer and so offered to apologize and to pay damages. They would know better than you and so their actions of guilt will suffice as facts of what transpired.

    I am off to bed. Maybe you can do likewise and relax your elasticity that way you can “stretch” anew tomorrow.

  • John // September 7, 2009 at 11:42 PM

    Adrian

    33. (1) A person is guilty of an offence if .
    he uses in any public place or at any public meeting
    words which are threatening, abusive or insulting,
    being matter or words intended or which may reasonably be
    interpreted as likely to stir up or to be capable of stirring up
    hatred against any section of the public in Barbados distinguished
    by colour, race or creed

    +++++++++++++++++++

    How would this section be applicable to the Highgate case?

    Unless the action took place in the public road outside of private property can’t see how this section would apply.

    “A person is guilty of an offence if
    he uses in any public place or at any public meeting” …… doesn’t speak to private property, …. I am not a lawyer but I can read.

  • John // September 7, 2009 at 11:56 PM

    Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 7:34 PM

    Maybe this explains the rush by BFP and the white bajan/canadian lobby to introduce as many exotic terms into the bajan lexicon of racial slurs. Wanting to even things out? Negrocrat and Caucasion are two that comes to mind
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You’ve been reading wikepedia ……

    “Prior to the shift in the lexicon of American and worldwide classification of race and ethnicity in the late 1960s, the appellation was accepted as a normal completely neutral formal term both by those of Black African descent as well as those of non-African black descent”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro

    Who do you think first started the use the term “Black” for “Negro”?

    Do you think it started in the US or in Barbados?

    Do you think the American experience with slavery is different from our own?

  • ROK // September 8, 2009 at 12:40 AM

    @John
    “Who do you think first started the use the term “Black” for “Negro”?”

    Really John. Your elasticity is something else as Adrian noted. You don’t get tired? LOL!

    Anyhow, The terms negro and black were simultaneously used all along. Both words mean the same thing. Therefore you may ask which one became of popular usage at what time. Nothing more.

    The term black came of popular usage as a counter to the term, white power. This was during and after the civil rights movement in the USA and became known as the Black Power Movement.

    A quick look at how both the civil rights movement and the black power movement was muzzled and brought to its knees is an indication of the feeble strides we have made; don’t mind we think we have come a long way.

    We still have far to go. I am sure that Marcus Garvey would collapse and die of another heart attack if he came back and saw the condition that we still in.

    Barbados for example has a black government but white education and white bureaucracy; Black skin but white minds and white dreams.

    Where have we really advanced to?

  • Ebenezer // September 8, 2009 at 6:44 AM

    Adrian Hinds, you should stop trying to interpret the law, something which is clearly out of your scope.

  • Rickey George // September 8, 2009 at 8:25 AM

    So, ROK. After nearly 3 days you have not seen fit to address my points as replicated below:
    Rickey George // September 5, 2009 at 10:48 PM
    @ROK, the comment was about the blog and not about an individual. If you want to equate yourself to the blog, then so be it. Something can have a general characteristic without every part having that characteristic.
    On the question ‘Are you saying that slavery was not based on the superiority of the white race as its core value?’ that contention is historically false. Many have written here and elsewhere about the existence of slavery. It is not a white/black exploitation activity. It has many white/white examples (Romans/Britons) and many black/black examples (white Moors/black Haratins). If you know your African history you will know of slavery between different tribes. If you don’t know that history, then time to start learning.
    ++++++++++++++
    I too have more than a few decades in banking, but need not be anyone’s resident expert on banking. You clearly do not understand the nature of banking. Plain. It is not a charity and it is not about taking pity on people whose businesses do not succeed. If you want a bank that is a social service then get the government to run it with (your) tax payers money to provide the subisidies that are needed and absorb whatever losses may arise. Those losses will have to be dealt with one day and in the meantime have to be seen as accumulated claims on current or future tax revenue.
    My natural reaction is to say that you agree with them and to move on to use that agreement elsewhere. But I want to be fair before I stick on the labels, and being patient, I want to be sure that a man who is supposed to be representing civil society can be both civil and social. In the meantime, Let’s all try to unravel the ‘mystery’ of thought.

    We have your clarion call:

    ROK // September 7, 2009 at 5:45 PM
    To all BU Family
    We are taking on intimidation from BFP. They obviously think they have themselves covered but they examine themselves again.
    We cannot be intimidated by them because it would mean that in this day and age, racism still working on us. They don’t have a monopoly on anything. Let them not scare you with law suits and try to govern us down with defamatory posts. They charging others with racism and look what they doing?
    I not going to threaten them with anything, because I think that our men and women should have spine. Don’t let them phase you. I can handle myself; don’t worry about me.
    And then Anonymous September 6, 2009 at 10:48 PM who wrote:
    Rok comes on this blog and he answers everyone who questions him,without any nasty low remarks,but BFP behaviour is sad to say typical bajan white behaviour.
    Finally, we have:

    Adrian Hinds // September 7, 2009 at 11:15 AM
    Rickey George you are not important. We have things of national importance to attent too.
    These remarks suggest that ROK is a rock (he has spine). So, all I am seeking to know is whether ROK’s spine can withstand an answer to a set of simple questions and address points that he has raised.

    Someone (Anonymous) believes that ROK answers all questions. I say ‘Who you fooling?’

    Someone else (Mr. Hinds) feels that by saying that there are ‘things of national importance to attent (sic) too (sic)’ that somehow we can all be like dummies in a freeze frame of a shop window and stand with our mouths agape and say “Tell us more, master.” Is the man for real or a characture?

    Nope. Nope. ROK has gone to the world and shown that he can address issues. Look at the YouTube fiilmette:

    So, ROK, pretty please, answer the questions my good man. That Lodge School training surely did not lead you to be this way. Don’t let down our scholastic tradition, so.

    You say in the video “It is what you ingest that makes you what you are”, so I’m hoping you can help we poor people understand what you have ingested. You have provided the perfect link with your remark this morning:
    Barbados for example has a black government but white education and white bureaucracy; Black skin but white minds and white dreams.
    Where have we really advanced to?
    Given what you have ingested and how you have not addressed what seem like simple points, I am thinking now that the last remark is more of a self-description than anything else. Am I wrong?

    I have learned the virtue of patience and while I wait, I hope that those whom you represent are not asking why and how is our man at BANGO spending so much time on blogs? Are our civil issues of first or lesser importance?

    Many thanks.

  • John // September 8, 2009 at 8:38 AM

    ROK // September 8, 2009 at 12:40 AM

    Anyhow, The terms negro and black were simultaneously used all along. Both words mean the same thing. Therefore you may ask which one became of popular usage at what time. Nothing more.

    The term black came of popular usage as a counter to the term, white power. This was during and after the civil rights movement in the USA and became known as the Black Power Movement.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In Barbados I don’t recall seeing any mention of “Black” in any legal documents, wills, deeds, baptismal or marriage certificates etc. “Negro” is used up to emancipation and thereafter not at all.

    When I was reading about William du Bois I looked at the titles of his books and publications and saw “Negro” in the very beginning and then he started to use the word “Black”.

    Here is a link to wikepedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._E._B._Du_Bois

    Perhaps Yardbroom can help as I recall he told us has read his works and the speeches of Marcus Garvey

    What is interesting is that he and Marcus Garvey had a feud. Here is an extract from wikepedia.

    “During the 1920s, Du Bois engaged in a bitter feud with Marcus Garvey. They disagreed over whether African Americans could be assimilated as equals into American society (the view held by Du Bois). Their dispute descended to personal attacks, sometimes based on ancestry. Du Bois wrote, “Garvey is, without doubt, the most dangerous enemy of the Negro race in America and in the world. He is either a lunatic or a traitor.”[17] Garvey described Du Bois as “purely and simply a white man’s nigger” and “a little Dutch, a little French, a little Negro … a mulatto … a monstrosity.”[18]“

  • ROK // September 8, 2009 at 9:23 AM

    @John

    The word Black became popular in and around the Black Power Movement. How Du Bois get in? We talking about the 1960s when Du Bois would have long joined the old school and probably never used the word black. That was not popular usage in his time.

    Again, the word black was used in direct contrast to white power and institutions and its usage became popular in and around the black power movement. Now we are moving away from black to using African or Afro to prefix nationalities.

    Let me see how much more your elasticity can stretch, LOL!

  • Ebenezer // September 8, 2009 at 9:52 AM

    Rickey, you will be waiting a very long time to get straight answers out of ROK, he is a master obfuscater.

  • John // September 8, 2009 at 10:28 AM

    ROK

    I am suggesting that the writings of William du Bois may have influenced the thinking of the 60’s.

    People in America didn’t just wake up one day and decide to promote Black Power.

    Universal adult suffrage in Barbados, or free secondary education didn’t appear out of thin air.

    Here is a list of his works published. The word Negro is used in most titles but he is using Black long before the 1960’s.
    ——————————————————————————–

    Du Bois wrote and published more than 4,000 articles, essays, and books over the course of his 95-year life. Most of these are out of print and hard to find even in their original publications. No edition of his complete works has yet been published. In 1977, Paul G. Partington published a bibliography of Du Bois’s published works, titled W. E. B. Du Bois: A Bibliography of His Published Writings. (Whittier, CA: c.1977, 1979 (rev. ed.)) (privately published). ISBN 0960253815. A supplement was published in 1984, titled W. E. B. Du Bois: A Bibliography of His Published Writings—Supplement. (Whittier, CA: c. 1984), 20 pages. The supplement represented Partington’s research in the Du Bois papers owned by the University of Massachusetts Amherst.

    [edit] Books
    Black Reconstruction in America, 1860-1880 by W. E. Burghardt Du Bois, with introduction by Du Bois biographer David Levering Lewis, 768 pages. (Free Press: 1995, reissued from 1935 original) ISBN 0684856573.

    The Suppression of the African Slave Trade to the United States of America: 1638–1870 Ph.D. dissertation, 1896, (Harvard Historical Studies, Longmans, Green, and Co.: New York) Full Text

    The Study of the Negro Problems (1898)

    The Philadelphia Negro (1899)

    The Negro in Business (1899)

    The Evolution of Negro Leadership.
    The Dial, 31 (July 16, 1901).

    The Souls of Black Folk. 1999 [[[1903 in literature|1903]]]. ISBN 0-393-97393-X.

    The Talented Tenth, second chapter of The Negro Problem, a collection of articles by African Americans (September 1903).

    Voice of the Negro II (September 1905)
    John Brown: A Biography (1909)

    Efforts for Social Betterment among Negro Americans (1909)

    Atlanta University’s Studies of the Negro Problem (1897-1910)

    The Quest of the Silver Fleece 1911

    The Negro (1915) (entire text)

    Darkwater (1920)

    The Gift of Black Folk (1924)

    Dark Princess: A Romance (1928)

    Africa, Its Geography, People and Products (1930)

    Africa: Its Place in Modern History (1930)

    Black Reconstruction: An Essay toward a History of the Part Which Black Folk Played in the Attempt to Reconstruct Democracy in America, 1860-1880 (1935)

    What the Negro Has Done for the United States and Texas (1936)
    Black Folk, Then and Now (1939)
    Dusk of Dawn: An Essay Toward an Autobiography of a Race Concept (1940)

    Color and Democracy: Colonies and Peace (1945)

    The Encyclopedia of the Negro (1946)

    The World and Africa (1946)

    Peace Is Dangerous (1951)

    I Take My Stand for Peace (1951)

    In Battle for Peace (1952)

    The Black Flame: A Trilogy
    The Ordeal of Mansart (1957)

    Mansart Builds a School (1959)

    Africa in Battle Against Colonialism, Racialism, Imperialism (1960)

    Worlds of Color (1961)

    An ABC of Color: Selections from Over a Half Century of the Writings of W. E. B. Du Bois (1963)

    The World and Africa, an Inquiry into the Part Which Africa Has Played in World History (1965)

    The Autobiography of W. E. Burghardt Du Bois (International publishers, 1968)

  • John // September 8, 2009 at 10:42 AM

    Adrian

    Here is an interpretation of the paragraph out of the Public Order Act I dreamt up last night while asleep …. yeah right!!

    Instead of looking at the section of the public as determined by notional thoughts on colour and race, let’s define a section of the public as the Goodridge Family.

    If you read the blog from back then it is obvious that alot of hatred was expressed toward them, a section of the public.

    It is obvious that this family would not have gone to a public place or held a public meeting to utter words to incite hatred against themselves.

    ….. so, the question is, were such words or matter uttered in a public place or public meeting that were responsible for stirring up this hatred?

    You say the Internat is not a public place, I guess from reading the definition of a public place in the public order act, …. but what about a newspaper?

    …. and here is another question …. Are the Sedgeleys not a section of the public?

    ….. and of course, the $64 million question … could anything you have written on the internet be construed as inciting hatred towards them?

  • Negroman // September 8, 2009 at 3:11 PM

    Bush Tea ask What next?

    What next is economic & financial freedom for African Black People from the thieving Europeans.

    We the Black population of Barbados have not only the political power but the economic & financial power to cripple the local white bastards,the rat catcher/mango seller Indians & newly arrived nasty Chinese.Those people depend on our patronage of their establishments to survive and live the sweet life in Barbados.If we boycott their businesses they will suffer.

    It seems that VOB & Nation Newspaper are beginning to feel the effects of a gradual withdrawal of patronage from their businesses.I observed over the weekend at some of the shops,gas stations & minimarts I visited that a fair amount of weekend Saturday & Sunday Suns newspapers were not sold.Usually around the time I visited those establishments all the weekend newspapers are usually gone.
    VOB is now in the habit of advertising itself constantly on its airwaves.I observed that all the recent surveys carried out, CBC has made significant inroads into VOB popularity in Barbados and as a result panic seems to setting in at that radio station in River Road.Black Barbadians that is a start continue the boycott of the Nation & VOB and extend it further by boycotting all the local businesses operated by the despicable,thieving.,lazy white Barbadians,the rat catcher/mango seller Indians & Pakistani & the emerging nasty Chinese.

    I spend my money at only Black owned or operated busiensses.wherever possible.I only compromise when Black owned & operated businesses do not have the products that I require. I will concede that I occassionaly go into Cave Shepherd or Dacosta Mannings for products that I cannot get in Black owned or operated businesses..As a matter of principle I do not ever go into any ratcatcher/mango seller business or any nasty Chinese business.Indians & Chinese will never count a cent of mine.I mean that.My partner & my child know me well and will never take my money and spend it at those people busineses.I will disown both of them.

    Black Barbadians the economic & financial power of this country is in our hands let use it wisely.

    BUY BLACK,BOYCOTT THE REST

  • David // September 8, 2009 at 5:03 PM

    @ROK

    There is a saying the devil finds work for idle hands. Most Barbadians are familiar with the yeoman work you have done to represent us in your capacity as Intervenor and other civil causes undertaken. Do not let cumyuhs force you to take your eyes off the ball.

    Many are watching.

  • Bimbro // September 8, 2009 at 5:34 PM

    David, I jus hope u in referring to me day, u know!! All I did was asked a perfectly normal and civil question which I would expect any normal, decent, law abiding Barbadian citizen to ask – nothing extraordinary, in my view!!

  • Adrian Hinds // September 8, 2009 at 9:03 PM

    Of “Negrocrats”, “Oreos”, “Iggas” and Other Racial Slurs in Barbados
    Posted March 5th, 2006 by Marcus
    Categories: Politics & Corruption, Barbados, Culture & Race Issues
    Since we started mentioning racial issues at Barbados Free Press, we have received more than a few letters and comments from Bajans and others urging us to continue the dialogue – which (they say) is missing in the mainstream Barbados media.

    In response to our “Blogs Discuss Barbados Holetown Festival, Racism and Cabinet Shuffles”, where we published a piece by Stella lamenting some racial difficulties, we received this post from a reader…

  • Adrian Hinds // September 8, 2009 at 9:05 PM

    Can anyone recall what year, what month and date, that BFP came online?

  • Christopher Halsall // September 8, 2009 at 9:36 PM

    @AH: “Can anyone recall what year, what month and date, that BFP came online?

    I may be answering a rhetorical question, but according to the “Internet Archive Wayback Machine”, it was first archived 2006.03.06.

    The archive is of an Entry, as you mentioned in your above, by Marcus dated March 5th, 2006, with your aforementioned title.

    http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/

    …for details….

  • Christopher Halsall // September 8, 2009 at 9:43 PM

    @AH… Sigh…

    I spoke too soon.

    BFP first appeared on the Internet 2006.01.17 (January 17th, 2006).

    The Entry title was “Welcome to Barbados Free Press

    The entry body was “Welcome to Barbados Free Press

    “If you have stumbled upon our web site, well, we’re not quite ready yet. Give us another few days to get organized around here… maybe even a week or so if our co-editor doesn’t stop bringing a case ‘a Banks to work every day. Could be worse, I guess – could be rum. Now if we could just figure out how to meet the Banks Girl somewhere other than on the brewery website…

    The first Entry with real content was 2006.01.17, titled “Prime Minister Owen Arthur Opens a New Can of Paint – To Cover Old Corruption

    See http://web.archive.org/web/20060324070818/barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2006/01/

  • Adrian Hinds // September 8, 2009 at 10:16 PM

    I got it Chris Halsall. Thanks!

  • Christopher Halsall // September 8, 2009 at 10:31 PM

    @Adrian…

    This same knowledge is available on BFP itself (in their Archives). It’s good to have it confirmed by an independent source, though….

  • John // September 8, 2009 at 11:06 PM

    I remember way back when discussing the term Negrocrat with you on BFP.

    We go back a long way!!!

    We used to have some real epic tussles!!

    I remember people swore you were a DLP agent …. or was it BLP …. long long time ago and you swore BFP was a DLP blog … or was it BLP …. seems unimportant now.

    Brings back pleasant memories.

    Took me a while to figure out how the blogging thing worked but enjoyed the experience from the time I started and still get a kick out of it.

    In those days it was Barbados Forum, which I tried, but found too complicated and then BFP which was more my speed.

  • Bimbro // September 9, 2009 at 1:02 AM

    John, Chris and Adrian, re: your last 3 posts; do u think they’re examples of what David described mine as, ‘tangenital-ramblings’! It seems that I’m not the only culprit!!

    Chris, the expression on the face of your picture’s making me sick!! PLEASE change it!! I can’t avoid seeing it!!

    Laaaaaddddddddd!!

  • Christopher Halsall // September 9, 2009 at 5:40 AM

    @Bimbo…

    Try closing your eyes….

  • Rickey George // September 9, 2009 at 6:15 AM

    ROK-A-FELLA, you have now successfully shown that you are as I suspected: not a man with spine at all. I have read with interest the recent little cameo piece on BFP and I have seen that you have bitten yourself hard to stop going ‘over there’ to take them on. That must be difficult, because you are usually so, so, fullsome. But on the matter of how you see race and racism, the cat seems to have gotten your tongue, or its digital equivalent.

    What is interesting is that you seem ready to lead a charge against what you say are unfounded charges to do with your ‘amateur’ status. It’s not clear if your issue is with your being an amateur or if you are a professional in the arts that are claimed.

    Now, for public officials, even those in NGOs, there is a moral necessity to keep the public comfortable. So, we have this to look forward to: “BANGO head says he is…”‘ “BANGO head found to be involved with…” and so on. I heard that at least one of the papers is interested in looking more into the BFP story.

    Which do you prefer, that this appear as a letter to the Advocate or to the Nation? I do not want you to feel that there is any racial preference when the letter is published and for good measure a few choice extracts from some of your blog postings. I do not know if your BANGO position is covered by government money, but if it is I think that “Calvin Citizen” will be calling on you to stop wasting we money.

    If you want to deal with the issues rather than another long run through whether Dubois had anything to do with it, just let yourself go, man.

    The chicken is out of the bag and the cat is already running with the mice. The sands of time have ticked long enough for you and now complaints will be LODGED. Schooling is important and yours should have taught you better. Remember the old school motto: Possunt Quia Posse Videntur (They can because they think they can).

  • Rickey George // September 9, 2009 at 6:19 AM

    Just for a little morning sport. Adrian Hinds thinks that he (who has changed his identity at least 3 times in the last two weeks) is seeing a doppleganger. You like research–much of it seems to go nowhere but into some big file on the floor; so tell us the origin and real meaning of ‘Fool yourself once…’.

  • David // September 9, 2009 at 6:36 AM

    @Rickey George
    Remember that chickens always come home to roost even those who are a cross between a Singh and a Brathwaite.

  • ROK // September 9, 2009 at 7:31 AM

    @Rickey George

    You and your cohorts are a slimy bunch who feel you can do anything and get away with it. I do not contribute to BFP and will never even visit that blog site again. Here is where you will find me.

    What you have done is so typical of cowards. I can see how you are all laughing now… but you know what we say about who laughs last?

    Let me say though that what you have done represents a political threat to freedom of speech. Of course you don’t care about that because your aim is to shut up people and use whatever means necessary to do it. That is what dictatorships do.

    You try to label people racists and under that guise you use a racist tactic to try to shut me up, but anybody that knows anything at all about me will tell you that I don’t pay too much attention to what people think about me. I know who I am and therefore the effect that you think you have, you do not.

    All you have been trying to do is come to this blog and lure BU family into saying things out of vexation; like you do with Negroman and then with Bonny. You try to force everybody to answer your questions simply because you think you made them mad enough to say the ridiculous.

    BU family has shown the likes of you much hospitality and much tolerance and must be highly complimented for their maturity in dealing with the likes of the bully you make out yourself to be. You are a human, lest you start to truly believe that you are thrash and then compliment it by acting like thrash with your sinister ploys.

    Your tone is despicable like a little boy pulling at another to try to get him to strike back. Or like a nagging wife trying to get her way. It seems that you have not gotten past being a schoolboy; but let me tell you that a lot of what you get away with as a schoolboy is serious business in the adult world. Try to get across the bridge.

  • mash up & buy back // September 9, 2009 at 7:48 AM

    ROK

    Doesn’t this action and threat remind you of someone who did a similar thing recently?

  • John // September 9, 2009 at 8:23 AM

    Freedom of speech brings responsibilities.

    All freedoms are like that.

    I don’t always re read everything I write so I am no paragon but sometimes re- reading and re-interpreting what you say is worthwhile, especially before you hit submit.

    These blogs are a “permanent” record of our conversations, unlike a verbal exchange.

    The record is also public.

    ROK, you need to re read and re interpret what you write before you hit submit.

    Forget the personal affront of challenges to your cherished beliefs, see where there are merits in the challenge and move on.

    Fight where you know you are right and never let go.

    Responding in anger does you nor anyone else any good.

    You held some licks, …. we all do, although not the sort you got,

    ….. so re look your various positions, decide if any need changing, make the change

    …. and come again as a fresh ROK.

    You are a tough cookie, …. just get tougher.

    Tighten up on your choice of strokes and don’t flash wildly, no matter what sort of ball you get.

    You do not know the ability of any of us you blog with, don’t disrespect it because you are confident in your own.

    There is always the possibility that there is an Ajantha Mendis in our midst and when you go playing for turn there may be none.

    Hope you take these words in the spirit they are given

    …. but that is not to say that if you say something I feel strongly about or which I feel is wrong, I won’t respond ……. vigourously.

    Gone for now.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 9, 2009 at 8:33 AM

    John has been on the first person posting on BFP along with one JDID. They know who is behind BFP.

  • Bimbro // September 9, 2009 at 8:53 AM

    Chris, Laaaddddddd!! den, how would I see to read ur invaluable scripts!!

    Dat nuf fair!!

  • JC // September 9, 2009 at 9:37 AM

    ROK

    Stay strong, I am grateful to CH, you and others who have taken the fight to all the institutions who thought that me the ordinary person should’nt have a voice!

    Ignore these scrupulous characters who are trying to corner you……….

    I longggggg for the day when I can know myself like Adrian, Hopi, GP, Pat Bonny and others on this forum ……

    What has them is that you don’t have to wait on them for you and yours too eat LOL!

    That got them VEX here!

    Fight that good fight ROK!

  • Adrian Hinds // September 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM

    JC we will not ignore them. We are going to take the fight to them.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM

    David // September 9, 2009 at 6:36 AM

    @Rickey George
    Remember that chickens always come home to roost even those who are a cross between a Singh and a Brathwaite.
    ————————————————-

    Rickey George is a Guyanese Indian trying to be a black man?????

  • Ebenezer // September 9, 2009 at 10:54 AM

    JC, thanks for the compliment of referring to us as “scrupulous” characters.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 9, 2009 at 11:13 AM

    Rickey George // September 9, 2009 at 6:19 AM

    Just for a little morning sport. Adrian Hinds thinks that he (who has changed his identity at least 3 times in the last two weeks) is seeing a doppleganger. You like research–much of it seems to go nowhere but into some big file on the floor; so tell us the origin and real meaning of ‘Fool yourself once…’.
    ————————————————-

    Yes I do change my handle from time to time, I am not clever or good at it, and there is nothing sinister about it either. I will explain.

    From time to time I feel the need to post something on BFP. They have effectively banned my name and all the variations of it that I have used in addition to handles with Tall or boy or both in it. I always seem to forget to remove whatever handle I was successfull in using at BFP when I return to BU. I have nothing to Hide.

    I do not often find it necessary to respond to or mention you in my postings, yet you cannot do the same for me. lol!

    It is already established that you are the learnt fellow and I am not. What could be the reason for your continued sniping at me? Everybody knows according to you, Inkwell, Mongoose, LIB Georgie Porgie and others that I am intellectually challenged.

    Was I suppose to accept this and go away?

    Uh mean if Rickey George is really George C Brathwaite, I have not commented on your picture and the face presented therein. I have accepted you as a rather ugly fellow for It could have been me so endowed.

    Anyone:

    Is there any accepted relationship between the names Rhonda and Shona? Like Bob or Rob is the shorten version of Robert. Or Sippee (sip-pee) is short for Cipriano?

    Also does anyone know if there are any pilots or flying enthusiasts in Barbados with the last name Lucas?

  • Adrian Hinds // September 9, 2009 at 11:16 AM

    JC we know you did not call any names, and apparently there seems not be a need.

  • ROK // September 9, 2009 at 11:40 AM

    @JC

    Thanks for the encouragement. You know that I am going to continue to fight the good fight.

    Note that the cap fit Scrouge. LOL!

  • ROK // September 9, 2009 at 11:53 AM

    @MUBB
    Very much so.

  • Rickey George // September 9, 2009 at 11:59 AM

    Neither Adrian Hinds or ROK spend much time reading what they or others write. Instead they ride off in pursuit of persons and personalities behind the comments. So miss the meat because you are trying to determine what kind of bread it is in. ROK, you have an issue to deal with concerning your views on race and racism. Just read the points and then you can proceed to “Go”. ROK also has a public duty to perform and more and more people are asking how he is doing that if he is blogging all hours of the day.

    Adrian Hinds can spend less time researching endlessly and make a note of ‘who’ he is today and what his handle is. If he is not trying to fool anyone then what is the purpose of changing name so often. Read what you write and see if it makes any sense.

    One you have done with ‘Fool me once…’, you have to move to ‘Fool me twice…”

    Do not read between the lines. That is just white space. Read the words. Assume that this is the hand of the PM typing. You never know.

  • ROK // September 9, 2009 at 1:22 PM

    @John

    Thanks for your wise counsel. Yes, there is surely responsibilities which come with rights & freedoms. We could write many essays on that.

    I heard the former Deputy PM complaining about blogs but to my mind, she did not phrase her charge properly. The impression was that she was totally against blogs but it is not the blogs themselves but the wickedness to which people could get up to using blogs.

    I think she created a lot of resistance by throwing out the baby with the bath water, if that is what she did. I am simply speaking from impressions I get on hearing and reading what people had to say about her comments.

    I like that Google decision. You can be anonymous but you can’t use your anonymity to spread untruths and defame people. Based on that decision alone, it sends a message that there is a responsibility to being anonymous and that the society will not tolerate anonymity if there is not accountability for one’s actions.

  • John // September 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM

    Adrian Hinds // September 9, 2009 at 8:33 AM

    John has been on the first person posting on BFP along with one JDID. They know who is behind BFP.
    ++++++++++++++++++

    Sorry Adrian, but I can’t help you.

    Not sure if I really want to either.

    BFP led the way and set the standards for others to follow and gave Bajans of all walks of life the ability to vent their spleen ….. within reason!!

    I have alot of respect for that blog.

    BTW, can’t rememeber if I came and found you on BFP or you came and found me!!

    Should be possible to check …. and if you do, let me know!!

  • Adrian Hinds // September 9, 2009 at 2:30 PM

    I not surprise by your comments. Not in the least. I don’t think you could bring yourself to help me with anything about BFP. My VERIFICATION of Indentities will be completed without your help, and in the end even your real Identity will be known to me.

  • John // September 9, 2009 at 3:05 PM

    Adrian

    A man’s got to do what a man’s got to do.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 9, 2009 at 3:11 PM

    Indeed. I have to disappear for while. See you around in a month or two.

  • John // September 9, 2009 at 3:36 PM

    Adrian

    I’ll leave you with this.

    My identity is known to persons who can do me far more harm than you can and they got to know it because I told them.

    If you use proper channels to also get in the know you will be doing me, and many others, including yourself, an immense favour.

    Good luck, good hunting and God speed.

    See you.

    Walk the walk, don’t take shortcuts.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 9, 2009 at 4:29 PM

    @Ricky George:

    No I will not stop searching, and investigating, no I will not.

    Maybe the hand of the PM, certainly not the face. Only one person can have a face like George C Brathwaite if indeed you are GCB.

    @John
    I don’t quite follow what you said. Is it that I have to patronize someone or join some clique to get information?

    What are “proper” channel? what does this mean?

  • John // September 9, 2009 at 4:49 PM

    Adrian

    I thought you had started out on your quest.

    I was just wishing you God speed and pointing out your quest would be beneficial to all and sundry.

    I’ll see you when I see you

    …. and I’ll explain, but come prepared to listen …. ask questions and discuss ….

    ….. not to tell me to whatever it was you told me the other day!!

    If you really do walk the walk you might not even need to meet me!!

  • Rickey George // September 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM

    Adrian Hinds, ‘John’ gave some good advice in writing ‘My identity is known to persons who can do me far more harm than you can and they got to know it because I told them.

    If you use proper channels to also get in the know you will be doing me, and many others, including yourself, an immense favour.’

    Scurrying around and find the already found is really not a lot of help to anyone though it can give you some pleasure, it seems. But life has to have purpose and ferretting around isn’t really a good human one. Try to help rather than whelp.

    And pay attention to significant details, or you will often fall over your feet (so it is RICKEY, not Ricky). It may matter one day.

  • Anonymous // September 9, 2009 at 5:19 PM

    David, a lot of people have commented about how you have let the blog become what it has. A lot of long talk about governance and freedom of speech and expression but little evidence of any of that in the way the blog is run by you.

    You have ‘persons’ like ROK rolling out interminable nonsense and sitting pretty and high taking the attitude that answering and saying something sensible is beneath him. All of the stuff he has written about race and the sex slaves andyou seem to have no moral view to offer?

    You let little Sherlock Holmes and other commentators go around threatening people as if that is alright with you? Shame on you.

    Maybe I will take a leave just like Adrian Hinds and find better pastures to feed on. What will Adrian Hinds do when he has nothing to copy and paste here? I hear that Boston is looking for a new senator. Let’s lobby for his election.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 9, 2009 at 5:30 PM

    uh ricky, the only error I made was to capitalize the r. so I could not have referred to you? Yet you respond. Did I achieved what I set out to do?

    “Try to help who”?

    ……well concider my scurrying to be a bad trait, it cannot be help. lol! Jack B could use such as justification for his sub-human characterization of me.

  • Adrian Hinds // September 9, 2009 at 5:35 PM

    ricky, one last question before I go for good.

    Adrian Hinds is retiring from the blogs because shit is about to hit the fan.

    If I stop scurrying you would be nice to me? lol!

    Uh gone.

  • Ebenezer // September 9, 2009 at 6:14 PM

    Such a tragedy……Adrian Hinds is retiring from the blogs …..sniff

  • David // September 9, 2009 at 6:36 PM

    @Adrian

    It is obvious who is the person ragging ROK, listen to mash up. Amazing how all these people who don’t like BU and can’t get along with the family are the first to click BU link every day.

    Let us get this straight, ROK is entitled to his opinion like all others. He probably has an aggressive style which is offputting to some but we should not focus on the red herrings. What he has done as an Intervenor and people’s advocate is more than many locals and foreigners have done who frequent BU.

  • Ebenezer // September 9, 2009 at 6:46 PM

    “It is obvious who is the person ragging ROK, listen to mash up.”

    David, it is not quite so obvious to me. Care to share?

    “What he has done as an Intervenor and people’s advocate is more than many locals and foreigners have done who frequent BU.”

    And you know this how? Are you saying that you have specific knowledge about the lives of both locals and foreigners alike?

    David, the anonymous above has asked you some very specific questions. Do you intend to answer them or pretend they weren’t asked?

  • Bonny Peppa // September 10, 2009 at 12:04 AM

    Ebenezer,
    Shoo fly an leff David fa ma do.
    He gun answer in he time not yours or maybe not a’ tall.
    Shoo fly. Doan bodda he.

  • Ebenezer // September 10, 2009 at 10:21 AM

    Thank You for proving my point, David. There have been a number of very direct questions asked of you over the past year or so. Rarely do you provide answers and if you do, the answer is so vague as to be pointless.

  • Bonny Peppa // September 10, 2009 at 3:19 PM

    Ebenezer,
    Shoo fly.

  • Christopher Halsall // September 10, 2009 at 3:25 PM

    @Bonny…

    A fundamental truism…

    There is little upside in feeding the trolls…

    If you feed them, they stick around…

    Just ignore them….

  • Adrian Hinds // September 10, 2009 at 4:54 PM

    Indeed Halsall indeed.

  • Bimbro // September 10, 2009 at 5:07 PM

    What he has done as an Intervenor and people’s advocate is more than many locals and foreigners have done who frequent BU.

    ******

    Dave, sadly, it seems necessary to remind u that, even the PM, is subject to the laws of Barbados, let alone ROK!!

  • Bonny Peppa // September 10, 2009 at 8:47 PM

    Bimbro,
    Doan mind dem creepers over pun de otha side nah. Dem just jellus of BU. Nitpickers, the whole lot.
    My ROK a Gabralta in trouble a soul. Dem lookin fa ‘noise’.
    Doan entatain dem Bimbro wid de shyte man. Dem is bare piss-pots.
    Dem canvassin fa bloggerists. Poor brutes.

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  • Gunga Din // September 30, 2009 at 7:06 AM

    Quoteth ROK: “This is a threat to freedom of speech. Those people out there have no respect for freedom of speech. People who try to make themselves look superior in their attempt to shut up people and trample their reputation.”

    Quoteth Adrian Hinds: “But isn’t it funny that after BFP remove BU from their sidebar they are now reduce to copying articles from BU to give intermittent relevancy to themselves?”

    I found this post over at BFP. SOME of you should think about it.

    Expose The Hypocrisy
    September 27, 2009 at 2:36 pm
    There has been much made, recently, by certain individuals at BU about “freedom of speech” and unfettered discussion no matter how offensive or inaccurate that speech may be. Many of those same individuals took it very personally when BFP chose to remove BU from it’s sidebar. I would like those individuals to take a look at this comment posted by the host of BU, when the decision was made to remove “Notes From The Margin” from BU’s sidebar.

    David/ March 12, 2008 at 6:47 AM
    “Sam Gamgee we understand that your comment may be nothing more than to engender strife. We delisted notes on the margin because he has blogs in his sidebar which are owned by someone who threatened the life of Adrian Loveridge and also who were very abusive on the BFP and BU blogs during the elections period. Please do not hide the facts.There is one thing for notes in the margin to encourage freedom of expression but at BU we also believe in standing up against what is wrong.”

    Now, what is at issue here, is not the reasons for David “delisting” Notes From The Margin but the very last sentence of his statement. Just how did David arrive at HIS definition of “wrong” as compared to anyone else’s definition of “wrong”. Is BFP’s definition of “wrong” not as worthy of BU’s definition of “wrong”? BFP and many of it’s readers thought that calling a white Canadian woman, who was murdered, while on vacation in Babados, “white trash” was “WRONG” and therefore made the decision to remove BU from it’s sidebar. Is anyone else here seeing the hypocrisy and how the definition of “free speech” vacillates from day to day?

  • ROK // September 30, 2009 at 9:00 AM

    @Gunga Din

    And what exactly is your point? Promoting BFP on BU?

  • Gunga Din // September 30, 2009 at 9:24 AM

    I should think my point is quite clear to those who read with an open mind and have a modicum of intelligence.

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