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Rating Agency’s Report Vindicates Ms. Mottley

November 24, 2009 · 107 Comments

Submitted by Sylvan Greenidge, former BLP Press Secretary

Leader of the Opposition Mia Mottley

Barbadians were recently given a very rare opportunity when the Prime Minister addressed the state of the economy in House of Assembly on Tuesday, November 17, 2009. His address followed an assessment done by one of the leading credit agencies, Standard & Poor’s and once again the comments contained in the report sparked robust debate in our Parliament and the wider society. It is most unfortunate that in recent times Barbadians have had to rely on such reports from rating agencies or public pronouncements from the Opposition Barbados Labour Party to get some insight as to the state of the economy. Except for these occasions Barbadians are left to wonder. There are those who will be quick to advance the argument that the Prime Minister has been holding press briefings on the economy at designated times but the truth of the matter is that Barbadians are no wiser at the end of these briefings.

The most recent report on Barbados, though it did not speak to a further downgrade of our credit rating, at least for now, changed our economic outlook from stable to negative. As harmless as this may appear to the ordinary man/woman in the street, economists and other interesting persons would agree that the challenges facings our economy are mounting with hardly any imaginative or pro-active ideas coming from the DLP Government to arrest the slide.

It is a statement of fact that the world is in recession, however I am yet to be sold on the much-touted notion that the current recession is the worst since the 1930’s. The evidence provided thus far simply does not support that view and until such evidence is provided I will remain firm in my position.

A number of questions beg attention from this Thompson administration. Have the economic problems currently facing Barbados been made worse as result of the economic decisions of this Government? Are Barbadians satisfied that this Government was timely and pro-active in its response and creative in its economic policy in addressing the country’s economic problems?  Does this DLP Government possess the political fortitude to lead Barbados out of this current recession? So many questions – few answers.

From as early as the third quarter of 2007, the rapid rise in oil and commodity prices was showing signs that there was some instability in the global market. By the end of the first quarter of 2008, it was put beyond doubt that a global recession was imminent. Of course by the start of 2008, Government was faced with sad spectacle of the financial collapse of Clico Trinidad, quite unrelated to the recession, but with devastating consequences for Barbados.

It cannot be a source of comfort to Barbadians that some eighteens months following the announcement of the collapse of Clico Trinidad, one of its major subsidiaries in Barbados, Clico Barbados, remains embroiled in speculation of mismanagement and financial uncertainty. Placing Clico under judicial management and the execution of a forensic audit was all that was required to begin to cure the ills of this company, but instead the Government, for reasons best known to them, chose to play a game of cat and mouse with this rather explosive matter. In spite of the numerous calls from the Leader of the Opposition, the IMF and others, Clico Barbados remains an albatross around the necks of taxpayers of Barbados and an economic threat to the stability of our economy.

Likewise, Barbadians cannot be comfortable with the fact that almost two years after the first signs of the global recession, no serious attempt has been made to prepare the Barbados economy for its impact. From as early as the first sitting of this new Government, back in 2008, Leader of the Opposition, the Hon. Mia Mottley has been warning the Thompson administration that the economy needed to be stabilized and a stimulus package implemented to minimize its impact on the overall economy.

I recall during the 2009 budget debate when Ms. Mottley warned the Prime Minister about the rapid rate at which the foreign reserves were falling, an obvious sign that the economy was hemorrhaging her comments provoked laughter and humor from Government members. On that occasion, the Prime Minister turned to his Minister of Health and requested that an ambulance from the QEH be summoned for Ms. Mottley. He sought to give the impression that Ms. Mottley was misleading Barbadians on the issue of the falling foreign reserves. Ms. Mottley had been proven to be correct.

It was certainly no laughing matter to Barbadians to hear some months later on VOB’s call-in programme, Brass Tacks for Friday, November 13, 2009, Avinash Persaud lament that Barbados’ foreign reserves now stand precariously at a mere 20 weeks supply of import cover. In other words Barbados has only 20 weeks of foreign exchange left to pay for the food and other goods and services it imports from abroad. Thompson is yet to explain to Barbadians how we got there. Thompson inherited foreign reserves that covered over 40 weeks supply of imports or $2.4 billion.

I go further. Barbadians heard the Prime Minister during the said budget debate of 2009, in his response to the call from Ms. Mottley for a stimulus package, indicated that he did not understand what the Opposition was talking about. He said then and maintained up until recently that he had a stimulus package in place long before President Barrack Obama of the USA. He also said that it included the purchasing of equipment for the QEH and the erection of school fencings. That was in March 2009.

If ever there was an occasion that should convince Barbadians of the double talk of the Prime Minister and his obvious state of confusion on how to navigate Barbados through these tough economic times, it came in the Nation Newspaper of Wednesday, November 18, 2009 under the headlines, “No Stimulus”. The Ricky Jordan story reported the Prime Minister as having said that a stimulus (meaning stimulus package) would not be prudent at this time because it would have a negative impact on imports. On another occasion I will argue the merits and demerits of the statement. The question that must be answered is this, what has changed in Barbados’ economic position between March 2009 and November 2009, other than the change in the Governor of the Central Bank that has led to the Prime Minister’s change of heart on the need for a stimulus package for Barbados.

I am convinced that the Barbados economy has been mismanaged over the last eighteens months, a charge for which Prime Minister Thompson’s cannot escape. His inability to grasp the more deeper and technical workings of the economy may well explain his over reliance on a large number of economic advisors. In the absence of an appreciation of the subject matter, an over dependence on advisors will become commonplace. Unfortunately, when you are being advised by such a large cross section of individuals from varied trained backgrounds and economic concepts, then the process of decision making can be painfully confusing as evident in this administration’s attempt to grapple with the current economic recession.

Conversely, the BLP must feel a sense of satisfaction that Opposition Leader Ms. Mottley has demonstrated a level of knowledge and understanding of the challenges currently facing the country. In fact she has been vindicated in both her analysis of the performance of the Government and her predictions on the economic outlook of the economy. Both rating agencies as well as the IMF have now confirmed what she has been saying since July 2008. It is a serious indictment on the Thompson administration when Olga Kalinina, credit analyst with Standard and Poors can report that “it is the delay and failure to be pro-active that is causing most of the problems in the Barbados economy”. This is precisely the point that Ms. Mottley has been making in her budget response of 2008 when she spoke of the danger of the DLP’s governance by delay.

Ms. Mottley has been far more articulate and has demonstrated a greater understanding of the precarious state of the economy than Mr. Thompson and the DLP should take note. At times like these people need a leader with the necessary skills to deal with the dicey issues that confronts the country and its people. Thompson’s style of governance by serendipity will not fit the bill. His days of political kite flying are over and it is now time to show some depth of intellect, creativity and competence. This maybe asking for blood from a stone. In the name of credibility and certainly if history is to be kind to him, Thompson must allow the second opportunity afforded him by the electorate of Barbados to manage the office of the Ministry of Finance to end on the same embarrassing note that it did under the last DLP Government of 1994.

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107 responses so far ↓

  • Anon // November 24, 2009 at 7:54 PM

    Ernest Deighton Mottley set up a soup kitchen in Queen Park, fed them, gave them clothing and bedded them and their girl children and every body knew but he was confirmed at St. Mary’s and had a front seat and the Church preached about illegitimate and threatened hell fire.

  • Anon // November 24, 2009 at 8:18 PM

    Ernest Deighton Mottley (Mia Mottley’s grandfather) was a very scheming person and he had his plans and agenda. The time of white people elected to the House of Assembly waned but white merchants began to run the island with dollars passed to the new black politicians and from the beginning the white people put Ernest Deighton Mottley in charge of poor people. Little old ladies with no money but land ran into trouble and Ernest Deighton Mottley undertook to pay for things for them and ended up with their titles.

  • solonaris // November 24, 2009 at 8:27 PM

    And what are your parameters for that statement? Honestly.

    Even IF that is true, you are saying that Mia Mottley is to pay for the “sins” of her grandfather? Are you then stating that she should not be allowed to advance politically due to the alleged wrongdoing of Ernest D. Mottley, if that is the case, I find your thinking very one sided.

    Unless you can bring evidence other than Mottley’s ancestry, to justify why she should not be allowed to advance politically – ship out!

  • Anon // November 24, 2009 at 8:59 PM

    Ernest Deighton Mottley undertook to pay for things for them and ended up with their titles.

    This includes the old lady who owns land all over Barbados but can not get her land, including the Sandy Lane property where Mia Mottley lives.

  • zion1971 // November 24, 2009 at 9:27 PM

    @Anon- Is this for real or you are just being controversial?

  • Anon // November 24, 2009 at 9:29 PM

    As true as John 3:16.

    I was just waiting. There is more.

  • Anon2 // November 24, 2009 at 9:37 PM

    WOW – this report must have really hurt Thompy! Look at this crappy personal attack… Just cannot dispute the facts.
    Maybe if you used your resources to help the minister of finance we would be a bit better off!

  • solonaris // November 24, 2009 at 9:51 PM

    Here is where Anon is spewing propaganda because Mia Mottley does not live on any land at Sandy Lane, further to that, she does not even life in St. James. Why not refocus your attention on David Thompson who is taking taxpayers dollars to finance the construction of a hotel in St. Lucia, or further to that, why not take a trip down Bathsheba where some Green Hart Houses are being constructed under a company that bears the names of Mara Thompson and the wife of Leroy Parris.

  • Bajeabroad // November 24, 2009 at 10:03 PM

    This is why the DLP and David full of shite! rather than bring substantive arguments or economic ideas to the table, all we get are personal attacks. I hope when these DLP supporters sucking salt along with the rest of the country and Ms Mottley still living in Sandy lane drawing she opposition leader big salary, and David too for that fact, that no one don’t come on these blogs complaining. It is about the best MAN for the job….pun intended…..whether that be Gay Dave or Mia the Hunk!!

  • solonaris // November 24, 2009 at 10:08 PM

    I agree with you Bajeabroad, David Thompson has not told the Barbadian public what he plans to do about this country’s economy – yes the world economy is crippling but that does not mean he is to be a sitting duck. Bruce Golding is diong something about the Jamaican economy why cant David Thompson!!

    And lastly, Mia Mottley DOES NOT live at Sandy Lane.

  • Wishing In Vain // November 24, 2009 at 10:56 PM

    WICKHAM CADRES Report Vindicates Owing See Thru Arthur!!!

  • solonaris // November 24, 2009 at 10:58 PM

    Owen Arthur’s time has come and gone.

  • Wishing In Vain // November 24, 2009 at 11:06 PM

    The really funny aspect of this whole discussion is that the Barbadian people regard Owing’s comments on economic matters moreso that they think of or accept Mottley’s so she really is an empty vessel keeping a shallow empty noise.

  • solonaris // November 24, 2009 at 11:13 PM

    And ‘Wishing in Vain’ the regard Thompson’s comments even less than Mia’s. The reality of the situation is that Mia Mottley is an Attorney at Law, not an Economist; Owen Arthur is an Economist by training etc that is why, you dont have to be a Solomon to know that. Ms. Mottley has proven however, that she is able to handle all economic matters just as well as Owen Arthur.

    So your point is pointless dear Sir. Madam

  • solonaris // November 24, 2009 at 11:36 PM

    It is so interesting ‘Anon’ that when the heat is turned up and the truth is laid out, you and john public always resort to spewing that nasty rumors about Miss Mottley.

    I find that you spend too much time looking at the DLP propaganda about the Opposition Leader rather than seeing clearly the suffering of the people in Barbados.

    I see Anon that you are a proud supporter of the DLP since you find it increasingly difficult to discuss/debate critical issues in Barbados like the rising fiscal deficit.

    I sympathize with you, I cant blame you for taking the free education for granted.

  • Anon // November 24, 2009 at 11:42 PM

    The fruit does not fall too far from the tree.

  • solonaris // November 24, 2009 at 11:51 PM

    Such responses and slanderous filth does not help the single mother who has been laid off and has two children to send to school. It does not help the pensioner who has to bear the brunt of increased water rates and potential electricity increase.

    Such responses do not help the young man who was proud to finally have some independence and purchase a car only to be confronted with a major increase in road tax.

    Your responses do not raise awareness to the world wide web about the situation that exists in Barbados, the fact that people have been losing their homes. You are showing a don’t care attitude like the Government of Barbados.

    May the Lord have mercy on you.

  • David // November 25, 2009 at 2:19 AM

    All those comments being posted which are going down a certain line targeted at Mia Mottley will be deleted.

  • Anon // November 25, 2009 at 7:52 AM

    The Goddards on behalf of the local council paid Ernest Deighton Mottley to clean the streets of Bridgetown, and he ran a racket with it, only difference is that if store owners did not pay him protection money the outside of their shop would not be spotless like the other businesses that paid. A dirty shop front was not good for business.

  • Anon // November 25, 2009 at 7:53 AM

    Errol Walton Barrow eventually had to get rid of Ernest Deighto Mottley.

  • Anon // November 25, 2009 at 8:05 AM

    This information will not disappear simply because the blog owner wants to censor it. It will be used at the opportune time.

  • Anon // November 25, 2009 at 8:07 AM

    The evil men do lives on after them.
    Take note Mia Amor Mottley.

  • Anon // November 25, 2009 at 8:23 AM

    The blog owner may want to play the role of the Nation newspaper on this one and protect Mia Amor Mottley. Everyone does not forget. This “political family” has some very huge skeletons in its closset. It is time the general public know about them. No amount of censorship will prevent that from taking place.The best is yet to come.

  • Hartley Henry // November 25, 2009 at 8:43 AM

    And ‘Wishing in Vain’ the regard Thompson’s comments even less than Mia’s. The reality of the situation is that Mia Mottley is an Attorney at Law, not an Economist; Owen Arthur is an Economist by training etc that is why, you dont have to be a Solomon to know that. Ms. Mottley has proven however, that she is able to handle all economic matters just as well as Owen Arthur.

    So your point is pointless dear Sir. Madam
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    solonaris,

    Go back and read the IGNORAMUS statement you posted above .

    If what you state about Mia Mottley being a lawyer is true…then how come

    As ATTORNEY GENERAL

    1. She failed to secure a fishing agreement between Barbados/Trinidad….even though she pelt away millions of dollars in legal fees ?

    2. She failed to prevent Glendairy prisons from going up in smoke even though she was warned about the impending troubles up there ?

    3. She failed to get EDUTECH functional after frittering away millions of taxpayer dollars on that programme ?

    4. She failed to ” recognise ” the difference between US $ & BDS $ for the Dodds Prisons ?

    Solonaris…..you and Mia Mottley could and wash wunnah…..!

  • donald duck esq // November 25, 2009 at 8:59 AM

    When is the public going to have sight of the 2008 financial statements for

    1. clico life
    2. clico general insurance
    3. clico mortgage and finance
    4. clico balanced fund

    These statements according to our laws should have been released since april 2009.

  • Anon // November 25, 2009 at 9:13 AM

    Mr. blog owner choose for yourself this day whom you will serve.

  • Layman // November 25, 2009 at 9:42 AM

    Tell me, isn’t Mia’s father a mottley,Did Mr Barrow not make good use of his talents? Wasn’t Mia’s lineage long established, What then is the problem? The Duncans ,O’neales Springers and the likes lines long established also.

  • huh? // November 25, 2009 at 10:18 AM

    I find it really funny that WIV should talk about a “fishing agreement”, this is the same fishing agreement that Thompy assured us could be dealt with “over a bowl of corn soup”? Perhaps you might care to update us on the current administrations progress on that front?
    At least Mia can point to the fact that the territory is now clearly delineated and Trinidad isn’t claiming waters just off Oistins anymore.

    Perhaps you can tell us how the DLP bungled the bidding for offshore oil exploration by resetting and then missing its own deadlines? Oil companies don’t waste time with governments that can’t even be bothered to even meet their own timeframes. (Perhaps Thompy could invite their CEO’s over for a bowl of corn soup? It might help the situation somewhat).

    The DLP is terrified of Mia Mottley as evidenced by the fact that they continue to dig up all sorts of irrelevant red herrings and innuendos to attack her rather than discuss the substantive facts and issues that affect the lives of the everyday Barbadian.

  • The Scout // November 25, 2009 at 10:46 AM

    Anon
    I don’t believe that in the year of our Lord 2009, you or anyone else could be so backward in your arguments. Come on raise the level of this discussions to a more intelligent stage, don’t let me and others look at you and other DLP supporters as dumb and stupid.

  • Anon // November 25, 2009 at 10:49 AM

    The blog owner threatens to delete postings aimed at Mia Amor Mottley if they are not complimentary and he has deleted important, truthful postings and altered another.
    Horendous, highly charged racial statements have been made on this very blog by one known as Negroman with the blessing and permission of the blog owner.
    Have they been deleted? Not on your life, as a matter of fact they have been encourged.
    Hypocrisy now permeates this blog.

  • Enuff // November 25, 2009 at 12:13 PM

    This is vintage.
    ___________________________

    by GERALYN EDWARD

    NO NEED to worry; those delayed tax refunds will come – eventually.

    Some Government departments may not be settling their payments on time, but Prime Minister David Thompson says there is no cash flow problem.

    Responding to queries about the nonpayment of Inland Revenue refund cheques to hundreds of taxpayers, and whether this was due to a cash flow problem,Thompson told the SUNDAY SUN on Thursday, after his nationally televised Press conference:

    “It is obvious that there are people who have got back their refunds, but it may be the way in which the payments have been staggered. But I would not say there is a cash flow issue with Government at this time.”

    Said the Prime Minister: “What may happen is that spending priorities may often change in times of economic difficulty, so that departments may find that the bulk of their resources may have to go towards the payment of wages and salaries and can’t be used for other programmes because departments are watching their pennies until the end of the financial year.”

    Thompson, who is also Minister of Finance, suggested that this year was not the first time that the department had been tardy in the payment of tax refunds.

    “As part of our attempt to control expenditure, we have had to, in some cases, reduce the warrants given to ministries. So it is a combination of factors,” he added.

    The Thompson administration has come under increasing pressure to reduce public spending, as tax revenues have fallen significantly because of reduced economic activity in the country.

    Thompson said he felt that the public’s understanding in the matter had been “helpful”.

    He added: “I do know that there are some challenges that may in some cases delay payments . . . but it works itself out.

    “We have been through this before, even in times of plenty in 2006. When you face tough economic times, the way in which Government finances its programmes changes. And therefore, you have that problem.

    “What we don’t want is a situation where people who are owed money by Government don’t get it. And only two weeks ago I saw the Commissioner of Inland Revenue and she explained what some of the challenges were.”

  • Alex Fergusson // November 25, 2009 at 12:18 PM

    While David Thompson and the DLP are bellyaching and blaming the global financial crisis for their share incompetence – the Guyana economy grew by 3.8% last year and will grow by 2.5% this year.

    Even as Barbados slides deeper into recession and as our country faces the ugly scenario of being in worst than crisis – Trinidad is in recession but its unemployment stands at a mere 5.1 per cent while its rate of inflation – as of last month, at 2.7 per cent.

    Having triggered a meltdown of the Barbados economy – as a result of his dangerous mismanagement of the Barbados economy – Thompson has pushed the unemployment rate from some 7.6% to 10.5% and climbing fast in less than two years.

    In the absence of a job creation or stabilization plan, it would not be surprising if the unemployment rate in Barbados reaches 15% by the end of March 2009.

    And after his long-winded media conference recently, Barbadians who were unemployed before he started to speak – are still unemployed today and with no hope of finding a job under dlp rule.

    This is where the debate should be.

  • David // November 25, 2009 at 1:25 PM

    @Anon

    Picture the following: one can speak about a race another person may speak about an individual. If you have such sensitive information put it in a document and email us. We allow freedom of speech but with it comes heavy responsibility.

    For the record, Negroman’s situation cannot be compared to yours. Do you have an agenda?

  • DLP Supporter // November 25, 2009 at 1:56 PM

    Hartley please keep quiet. You just there making your millions while we are in power. You are a leach on our party. A money sucker!!

    Anyways, I here you losing all over the place. You lost in Cayman. Lets see what happens in Dominica. Guess if you lose there too, my PM will wake up and see who you really are. A money hungry opportunist !!!

  • Adrian Hinds // November 25, 2009 at 2:14 PM

    Paul Lutus said:
    Proactive consumerism uses advertising to create markets for products that have no natural market.
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    Mia Mottley is a political product (leader) without a market (accepting polity), and this is why I believe she must be marketed to Barbadians.

    I expected a blitz, but maybe they have decided to drip feed her to Barbadians, so that she can slowly grow in acceptance. She has 2-3 years to so do.

    Is it happening now? you bet.

    http://www.nationnews.com/ind/then-and-now—mia-story

  • Bad Man Saying Nuttin // November 25, 2009 at 2:20 PM

    It is a statement of fact that the world is in recession, however I am yet to be sold on the much-touted notion that the current recession is the worst since the 1930’s. The evidence provided thus far simply does not support that view and until such evidence is provided I will remain firm in my position.

    Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that this is the worst purely economic crisis that any of us has ever seen is either a liar or an idiot. In any case their council is not to be trusted.

    Of course by the start of 2008, Government was faced with sad spectacle of the financial collapse of Clico Trinidad, quite unrelated to the recession, but with devastating consequences for Barbados.

    A blatant lie. the government of Trinidad and Tobago announced the Clico failure at the end of January 2009.

    Placing Clico under judicial management and the execution of a forensic audit was all that was required to begin to cure the ills of this company, but instead the Government, for reasons best known to them, chose to play a game of cat and mouse with this rather explosive matter.

    Another inaccurate statement, different territories have adopted different measures to deal with their Clico issues. None of them are close to solving their predicament. What each territory has ensured is that future policyholders and the general public are no longer at risk but EXISTING policyholders in all territories are still at risk of having their holdings devalued or lost. Barbados’ approach has actually been praised publicly by other territories. They wish that they could have done what Barbados did but in most cases they did not have the associated financial companies to sell off to raise funds to inject to cover policyholders’ liabilities.

    t was certainly no laughing matter to Barbadians to hear some months later on VOB’s call-in programme, Brass Tacks for Friday, November 13, 2009, Avinash Persaud lament that Barbados’ foreign reserves now stand precariously at a mere 20 weeks supply of import cover.

    Again this is inaccurate. Dr. Persaud stated that the internationally accepted minimum was 12 weeks of cover. He then said that Barbados was well above that and that 24 to 25 weeks cover is considered very healthy. He noted that obviously one would wish for the cover to be higher than the 20 weeks Barbados is currently at and that the situation should obviously be monitored but that it was not a critical negative at this time.

    I am convinced that the Barbados economy has been mismanaged over the last eighteens months, a charge for which Prime Minister Thompson’s cannot escape. His inability to grasp the more deeper and technical workings of the economy may well explain his over reliance on a large number of economic advisors. In the absence of an appreciation of the subject matter, an over dependence on advisors will become commonplace.

    Absolute rubbish. As far as I know the Prime Minister is advised by the Governor of the Central Bank. The Minister of State is also a trained economist and a former deputy governor of the Central Bank. No different to the structure which former PM Arthur had.

    It is a serious indictment on the Thompson administration when Olga Kalinina, credit analyst with Standard and Poors can report that “it is the delay and failure to be pro-active that is causing most of the problems in the Barbados economy”.

    Another inaccurate statement twisted to support a point. Ms Kalinina actually stated that Government’s inactivity and the delay in crafting a strategy to reduce expenditure and increase revenue thus lessening the fiscal deficit was the cause for concern and ultimately the change in outlook.

    What I would say on this is that i find it exceptional that she would call for a strategy to be unveiled and implemented at this time before winter tourism receipts are in and a better idea of how our economic staple is trending. it is also exceptional since it is public knowledge that the prime Minister has publicly stated that expenditure will remain relatively stable for government for next year. freezing expenditure is one method of addressing the fiscal deficit. What is also interesting is that Ms Kalinina as a country expert should know if major fiscal pruning is to be done it will be done and reflected during the annual estimates of expenditure process and that budgetary measures to address shortfalls in revenue would be best developed after the estimates and the winter tourist season have been factored.

    This blog is under your management david and while it is your right to allow articles by partisan contributors either B or D you should ensure that they stick to a basic level of factual accuracy especially when recounting statements made by others or in relating events. If you cannot ensure this then you should stop those contributions whether B or D because YOU David would then be responsible for misleading those readers who take these statements as accurate. Despite a reader knowing the slant of a writer the writer’s points carry more weight if they are supported by “facts”. When these facts are inaccurate then a disservice is done and the harm may be irreparable. I expect better. Your readers deserve better.

  • Hartley Henry // November 25, 2009 at 2:45 PM

    Again this is inaccurate. Dr. Persaud stated that the internationally accepted minimum was 12 weeks of cover.
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    Bad Man Saying Nuttin,

    For the benefit of yourself and others…in your future postings kindly be careful refering to Mr. Avinash Persaud as ” Dr.”…. Until this gentleman can provide evidence of a Masters or Doctorate Degree in any subject area.

    Mia Mottley and the BLP knows full well that this gentleman does not possess such qualifications.

    Even on the opposition benches these cretins trying to fool Barbadians.

    SHAME.

  • Alex Fergusson // November 25, 2009 at 3:43 PM

    Barbadians are at the breaking point when it comes to dealing with the burdensome and extremely high taxes imposed by David Thompson and the DLP in his 2008 inflationary budget.

    Why should anyone now have confidence in them or the economy – when the cost of living keeps increasing and given that the DLP’s idea of stimulating and stabilizing the economy – is to increase taxes and impose new taxes?

  • huh? // November 25, 2009 at 3:47 PM

    Hartley the correct form of address is neither Dr. or Mr. it is Professor. Please find below Wikipedia entry on Prof. Persaud, you can judge his qualifications therefrom.

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    Avinash D. Persaud (born 22 June 1966 in Barbados, West Indies) is Chairman of Intelligence Capital Ltd[1], a company specializing in analyzing, managing and creating financial liquidity in investment projects and portfolios.

    Previously he was managing director and Global Head of Research at State Street Bank, the world’s largest institutional investor, (1999-2003) and Global Head of Currency and Commodity Research at J.P. Morgan & Co.(1993-1999). He was ranked within the top 3 of currency analysts in major international investor surveys, (e.g. Institutional Investor and Global Finance) between 1992 and 1999.

    Prof Persaud is Co-Chair of the OECD Emerging Market Network[2]. He was a Director of the Global Association of Risk Professionals (2002-2009) (GARP[3]). In 2008 he was appointed member of a French Presidential Commission on the global credit crunch. He was the economic expert on the UK Government’s Advisory Panel on Public Sector Information, (2005-2009) (APPSI[4])In 2001 he was made a Distinguished Visitor of the Republic of Singapore. He was appointed a Visiting Scholar at the IMF (2001-2002) working on risk appetite measures [5] and at the ECB (2005) working on issues of liquidity and transparency in European financial markets [6]. He is frequently a guest speaker at G20 central banks and meetings of officials [7].

    In December 2008, he was appointed a Member of the UN Commission of Experts on International Financial Reform.

    In January 2009, he was appointed Chairman of the Second Warwick Commission,

    In October 2009, he was appointed an Expert Member of HMT’s Audit and Risk Committee.

    He held the Mercer Memorial Chair in Commerce at Gresham College (2002-2005) and was subsequently elected a Fellow of Gresham College (2005-2008) and Emeritus Professor of Gresham College (2007-). He is an elected member of the Council of the Royal Economic Society (2006-2010). He is a Governor and Member of the Council of the London School of Economics (2004-2008) and served on its Investments and Audit committees. He is a Visiting Fellow at the Centre for Financial Analysis and Policy[8], at the Judge Institute, University of Cambridge and is a Member of the Scientific Committee of the International Centre for Money and Banking Reports on the World Economy (Geneva, Switzerland).

    Prof Persaud has published widely in academic and professional journals including International Finance [9], Oxford Review of Economic Policy, Central Banking and the Financial Regulator[10] and his work has appeared in the financial press including the The Economist and BusinessWeek. He has authored a dozen “Op Ed” pieces for the Financial Times[11]. He co-authored with John Plender Ethics and Public Finance[12], published by Longtail(2007) and edited Liquidity Black Holes, published by Risk Books, 2005 [13].

    Prof Persaud has won a number of prizes and awards in finance, including First Prize, Jacques de Larosiere Award[14] from the Institute of International Finance (2000) and a Bronze, Amex Bank Award in 1994. He is known for creating a number of practical ideas and tools in finance including the EMU Calculator [15] (1997), the Risk Appetite Index [16] (1996) and the idea that market-sensitive risk management systems can create [liquidity black holes][17] in financial markets.

    Professor Persaud is actively involved in education and poverty related charities. He is Deputy Chair of the Overseas Development Institute, He is a Member of the Finance Committee of Coram Family. He is a patron of the Bishnodat Persaud Scholarship and a former trustee of the Nita and Errol Barrow Educational Trust and the Lokahi Foundation.

    Prof Persaud is the son of development economist, Professor Bishnodat Persaud and novelist, Dr. Lakshmi Persaud. His elder brother is psychiatrist Prof Dr. Rajendra Persaud and his younger sister is Sharda Dean.
    [edit] Major publications

    The Fundamental Principles of Financial Regulation, with M. Brunnermeier, A. Crockett, C. Goodhart,H. Shin, Geneva Report on the World Economy Series, 11, ICMB/CEPR/NBER, May 2009.

    Valuation, Regulation and Liquidity, Financial Stability Review, Bank of France, Autumn 2008.

    Redesigning the regulation of pensions and other financial products, with J. Nugee, Oxford Review of Economic Policy, Pensions, Vol 2, January 2006.

    The Seven Rules of Foreign Exchange, Quarterly Journal of Central Banking, A. Persaud, May 2004.

    Liquidity Black Holes, Risk Books, Ed. 2003.

    Pure Contagion and shifting risk appetite, International Finance, M. Kumar, and A. Persaud, Winter 2002.

    The Knowledge Gap, Foreign Affairs, March/April 2001.

    Sending the herd off the cliff edge: the disturbing interaction between herding and market-sensitive risk management systems, Institute of International Finance, Washington, 2000.

  • DLP Supporter // November 25, 2009 at 4:04 PM

    Harltey,

    What kind of qualifications do you have? Do you have a degree in political science? Do you have any degree whatsoever?

  • David // November 25, 2009 at 4:19 PM

    @Bad man

    There is merit in what you are saying. BU has encouraged the BLP side the opportunity to counter HH’s submission or circulate views of their choice. It is new and we will monitor for effectiveness.

  • Solonaris // November 25, 2009 at 4:25 PM

    ‘DLP Supporter.’ Hartley Henry recognizes that his time as Political Advisor to the Prime Minister is limited since word out of George Street is that David Thompson is seeking the advice of another due to the ineptitude of Hartley Henry.

    As he reshuffled his cabinet, he will “restructure” his advisory team.

  • Anon // November 25, 2009 at 4:38 PM

    Can Mia Amor Mottley tell us if it was Ernest deighton Mottley or Walter Walton Reece, Q.C or both who poisoned Allan Brown?

  • mash up & buy back // November 25, 2009 at 5:23 PM

    Huh

    All that and yet we cannot see his academic qualifications.

    Oh by the way anyone can go and put on or add information on wikepedia so who knows perhaps avinash persaud had a hand in that lengthy piece of ‘P.R.

    How did he become a professor and at what prestigous university is he currently lecturing or has lectured in the past?

  • Solonaris // November 25, 2009 at 5:46 PM

    It is quite disgusting that Anon cant find anything else better to do with his time than spew slanderous filth on this blog.

    If you are so big and mighty, when Parliament resumes on the 4th December,2009 at 10 a.m. – I want you ANON to go to Mia Mottley before she goes up the steps to Parliament and ask her that question!!!

    Lets see how bold you are – its okay to sit behind a computer screen and write this crap, but lets see if you have the balls to tell her that to her face!

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  • huh? // November 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM

    Perhaps you might like something from the University of Warrick?
    http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/research/warwickcommission/about/commissioners/persaud/

    or a copy of a Bloomberg Article that uses his comments?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aTV8yQm.Wl7A

    or a Reuters article?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE52H2CY20090318

    or perhaps you should do what I did and Google him.

    and the title is Professor.

  • David // November 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM

    Interesting to hear the new Governor of the Central Bank speaking to the fact that Barbados should NOT implement any significant stimulus package which in his opinion would drain foreign exchange. Will leader of the opposition now opening challenge Dr. Worrell’s pronouncement.

  • Anonymous // November 25, 2009 at 7:48 PM

    Anon

    re: the history of the Mottleys, could give me the name of your book again? Where can it be purchased?

  • BAFBFP // November 26, 2009 at 12:36 AM

    “The International Association of Athletics Federations has agreed that the South African runner Caster Semenya will keep her 800 metres world title, the country’s sports ministry said today.”

    That’s really great news. Now, for the sake of completeness, let’s get Miss Mottley tested…!

  • theswanee // November 26, 2009 at 1:32 AM

    Must be living in a bubble , the world is affected with the collapse of some of the largest BILLION dollar companies.
    Whenever the US economy recovers most countries will see a turn around.
    It is hard on working class people all over the World. Mia Mottley could jump ,pout, shout.
    The fact remains Standard & Poors was painting a bleak picture when the BLP was in office as the GDP was over 80%, it was said it was’nt good for growth.
    Never see come see that is why Mia is Mia. Thats all I would say at this time, being short and to the point.
    Mia knows something that the other 250000 + Bajans don’t know. well if Mia want to know what is going on , The World is in recession.USA , Canada, England and France to name a few, Mia I live in BC Canada ,it is no better, programs slashed, people fired, no money to pay them. Now I will say this also, In BC Canadaall the eco systems , Minerals, Water, Mountains, Sockeye Salmon, Cod, Halibut. Sorry no flying fish or Dolphin.
    Mia all Barbadians must work together to recover from the effects of this recession. Mia your talk has been all Gloom and Doom. In the USA ,the slogan is Buy American, In Canada , Buy Canadian, as far as the US and Canadian Borders go , a billion dollars in trade daily before this recession.

  • Bonny Peppa // November 26, 2009 at 7:35 AM

    BAFBFP
    Ya struction-mekka. You in gun change?
    She got a ‘nu-nu’wid a ‘penix’ mentality.
    Wuhlawww, wuhlayyy.

  • Anon // November 26, 2009 at 7:43 AM

    Book? They are a lot of old people still living who remember what a scamp Ernest Deighton Mottley(Mia’s grandfather) was. They also know that the fruit don’t fall too far from the tree and it is freightening them.

  • Anonymous // November 26, 2009 at 7:54 AM

    Anon

    I referring to the book that you wrote!

  • Anon // November 26, 2009 at 7:56 AM

    It took the monumental strength of Errol Walton Barrow to remove Ernest Deighton Mottley(Mia’a grandfather). Barrow put an end to “Rugged’s” corruption. That put an end to Ernest Deighton Mottley’s Barbados National Party the Conservative Party on Barbados. Many people breathed a sigh of relief when it happened. The people of Barbados may not be so lucky this time around in removing his grand daughter Mia Amor Mottley. Her behaviour mirrors Ernest Deighton Mottley’s to a T. Sexual perversion and all. She learned at the knee of corrupt Ernest Deighton Mottley her grandfather.

  • Anon // November 26, 2009 at 8:04 AM

    Remember the old people say “wha in de old goat(Earnest Deighton Mottley) in de Kiddie(Mia Mottley)”.

  • Sargeant // November 26, 2009 at 8:39 AM

    Would you trust the folks who caused the problem to provide the solution?

  • Sargeant // November 26, 2009 at 8:47 AM

    Wuh going on? My comment is awaiting moderation? That happy song?

  • Bonny Peppa // November 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM

    anon
    Ya got ma cryinnn. Doan mind Anonymous. He can’t appreciate truth, dat’s all. What book what.You dealing wid fact not fiction.
    But I cryinnnnnnnnn.
    You remind me of my man de Negro.
    “Norman, is dat you”?

  • Anon // November 26, 2009 at 9:32 AM

    Ernest Deighton Mottley(Mia Amor Mottley grandfather) was pure unadulterated corruption. He used the vestry money for his own ends. No body could ask him what happen to tax payers money. You think lack of transperency with Government money begun under the last administrtion? Go back to Mia Amor Mottley’s grandfather’s time. No wonder the Barbados Labour Party was so corrupt. With Mia Amor Mottley in it showing them how it is done. She had a great example in her grandfather.

  • Anon // November 26, 2009 at 9:52 AM

    Mia Amor Mottley’s assets were “declared” but somehow I did not see her declare her interests in Jose y Jose, Island safari and other businesses which I will name later.

  • ac // November 26, 2009 at 11:02 AM

    @sargeant
    Can you please go to U tube and put this song by Stevie Wonder on the blog’
    “A place in the sun”
    Looking forward to seeing it.

  • The Scout // November 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM

    I’m not a Mia Mottley fan but it appears that she has touched a raw nerve in the DLP camp. It is depressing to see big people behave soooo blackguardish…….. it makes my stomavh SICK. Come on raise the standard, I believe most of you are intelligent enough to put some strong licks in the BLP and Miain particular, without going into the gutter. Come on gutter politics gone long time ago, don’t bring it back. As a youngster I heard a prominent bajan politician boosting about buying panties for his wife by the dozen. We have come a long way since then, keep it on the high road, remember the young ones are watching.

  • Adrian Hinds // November 26, 2009 at 12:14 PM

    What is Standard and Poor’s? In part, it provides investors with information to make better-informed investment decisions with market intelligence in the form of CREDIT RATIINGS etc.

    What is Experian? In part, it is a global leader in consumer and business CREDIT REPORTING etc.

    What is Equifax? In part, Business – large and small – relies on them for consumer and business CREDIT INTELLIGENCE etc.

    TransUnion is a global leader in CREDIT AND INFORMATION MANAGEMENT.

    Barbadians in the US Diaspora are familiar with the latter three. They are familiar due to the ease of credit financing. If you want a credit card, a Car note, line of credit, or Mortgage these consumer credit reporting agencies becomes the resource via which the lending agency makes a decision on your credit worthiness.

    Consumer borrowing and payment history is reported to and by these Credit reporting agencies, things like if you were more than 30 days late on any payment, what debts are outstanding, your income, your debt to income ratio etc.

    Banks and other financial institutions use this information to gauge credit risk and worthiness.

    I have had unfavorable credit reports from consumer reporting agencies from time to time. In 1994, I had a mixture of low income, and several late payments that made it very difficult to secure credit for anything. Not even a credit card. Nevertheless, I did not worry as I did not need anything that required credit, and during that time, I live in a way that sought to combat the need to access credit. I lived within my means, and sought to make my financials sounder, simply by seeking to increase my income and reducing my liabilities.

    Every year that I stayed on this path improved my credit rating. I went from, not being able to secure a credit card, or qualifying for a loan to being able to do so albeit not with good interest rates.

    During this transition usually a seven-year process, I made a strategic decision regarding whatever credit I could qualify for, concerning securing emergency funding as my “rainy day funding”. One instance I took a credit card with max withdrawal of 1000.00 at 18% interest to cover for emergencies. I made a 12 dollar a year magazine subscription to keep some activity on the card, to keep building a credit history.

    By 2004, the tables had completely changed. My income had increase substantially, and my debt was non-existent making my debt to income ratio one that credit card companies, retail stores, and mortgage companies saw me as a great credit risk and solicited me instead of the other way.

    Standard and Poor rates Barbados at the macro level. Experian, Equifax, and TransUnion rate the consumer at the micro level. Please tell me where I am incorrect for suggesting similarity.

  • Royalrumble // November 26, 2009 at 12:38 PM

    “The question that must be answered is this, what has changed in Barbados’ economic position between March 2009 and November 2009, other than the change in the Governor of the Central Bank that has led to the Prime Minister’s change of heart on the need for a stimulus package for Barbados”.

    This question was put to Barbadians in my post above. The answer to this question came in today’s Nation Newspaper, page four under the headlines “ New Governor against stimulus”.

    It is now clear for all to see. When Dr. Marion Williams was Governor of the Central Bank Thompson had a stimulus package but this month a new Governor is in place at the Bank, in the name of Dr. DeLisle Worrell, perceived unapologetic proponent of the Washington Concensus, and out of the blue Thompson no longer believes in stimulus packages. What a state of confusion.

    Let’s all prayer that nothing happens to Dr. Worrell before Thompson and the Dems are flushed out office. There is no saying what the new Governor may believe in.

    In another section of the press the new Governor is reported to have told Barbadians “No Cause For Panic”. Do I need to remind Barbadians that both Thompson and Dr. Worrell were at the helm when this country suffered its worse economic fallout in the early 1990s. They are now back together again.

    In the early 1990s Dr. Worrell was head of the Economic Department at the Central Bank and Thompson was Minister of finance. So much for their confidence.

    Last year Thompson told Barbadians to go out and spend and have a good time. This year he is saying tighten your belts. At a time when over 6,000 bajans are out of work, persons cannot get their tax returns or reverse tax credit among other things, Dr. Worrell comes to the rescue with the words of a well-known song by Bobby McFerrin, which says “Don’t Worry Be Happy”.

    I will speak to the real issues behind Dr. Worrell’s reasons for not instituting a stimulus package in another post.

    The one thing Barbadians can be assured is that under a new BLP government they will have a Prime Minister of intellectual depth and political competence and a Governor of our Central Bank that has some level of credibility and that would not be considered cold soup warmed over.

  • Royalrumble // November 26, 2009 at 12:48 PM

    This question was put to Barbadians in my post above. The answer to this question came in today’s Nation Newspaper, page four under the headlines “ New Governor against stimulus”.

    That really should have read (in the post above) and not (my post above). I would like to claim the scholarly work of Mr. Greenidge.

  • Alex Fergusson // November 26, 2009 at 1:11 PM

    The DLP has removed buses from certain routes on Saturdays and Sundays preventing old ladies from getting to Church, but the new Governor says: Don’t Worry.”

    Over 6,000 people have lost their jobs since the Dems’ rule began. Hundreds more are under-employed and still more are subjected to a pay cut, yet the new Governor of the Central Bank of Barbados says: “Don’t worry.”

    Crime is on the increase and people fear for their lives, due to the state of panic and gloom that the Dems have put Barbados in, yet new Governor of the Central Bank of Barbados says: “Don’t worry.”

    Tourism receipts are down more that $150 million, yet the new Governor of the Central Bank of Barbados says: “Don’t worry.”

    It is now clear for all to see that the DLP does not know what it is doing, yet the new Governor of the Central Bank of Barbados says: “Don’t worry.”

    No one working in the Public Service of Barbados know whether he or she will have a job tomorrow, yet the new Governor of the Central Bank of Barbados says: “Don’t worry.”

    Commercial Banks are now holding government cheques for three working days yet the new Governor of the Central Bank of Barbados says: “Don’t worry.”

    Barbadians cannot get their Income Tax Returns or the promised Reversed Tax Credit, yet the new Governor of the Central Bank of Barbados says: “Don’t worry.”

    Everywhere you look there is grid lock on the roads, yet the new Governor of the Central Bank of Barbados says: “Don’t worry.”

    The cost of living keeps going up, yet the new Governor of the Central Bank of Barbados says: “Don’t worry.”

    Two years and no fishing agreement with T&T, yet the new Governor of the Central Bank of Barbados says: “Don’t worry.”

    The Offshore Oil Exploration programme has crashed, yet the new Governor of the Central Bank of Barbados says: “Don’t worry.”

    After two years – and except for David Thompson – no one knows what is contained in that MOU between the DLP and Clico or in the Terms of Reference regulating the Thompson Oversight Committee with CLICO and the DLP, yet the new Governor of the Central Bank of Barbados says: “Don’t worry.”

    It remains a mystery to all except Mr. Squeaky Clean himself – how much money Allan Sanford and CLICO gave the DLP, in the last elections, yet the new Governor of the Central Bank of Barbados says: “Don’t worry.”

    The DLP is dangerously mismanaging the Barbados economy, yet the new Governor of the Central Bank of Barbados says: “Don’t worry.”

    The same old man who is now the Governor of the Central Bank of Barbados – had his hand on the wheel in 1991, when the DLP again crashed the Barbados economy, yet he now purports to have credibilty to tell Barbadians not to worry.

    Absolutely amazing!!!!

  • Christopher Halsall // November 26, 2009 at 1:21 PM

    @All…

    I am not a member of, nor frankly, a fan, of either party here in Barbados.

    But there is a *lot* to worry about currently…

    It might be a lot less worrying if we actually knew (or had the legal means of finding out) what was actually going on, so we could discuss and debate all the issues and available options….

  • Alex Fergusson // November 26, 2009 at 1:25 PM

    @ Mr. Halsall,

    You are right Sir! This is why Barbadians are upset. Where is the Freedom of Information Act?

    Where is the Agriculture Protection Act?

    Where are those 90 and 100 day promises?

    Where are the Income Tax Returns and the Reversed Tax Credit?

    Where is that Tourism master Plan or the Patients Charter at the QEH?

  • Christopher Halsall // November 26, 2009 at 1:45 PM

    @Alex Fergusson…

    But, and *very* importantly, why did FOIA et al resonate so very deeply with the electorate?

    The “Bees” are not exactly angelic in the *perception* of Bajans either.

    Would it be too much to ask (perhaps idealistically naively) that those elected would do the job they actually promised to do, rather than focus on their and their’s upside?

  • Alex Fergusson // November 26, 2009 at 2:10 PM

    @ Christopher Halsall

    You raise a good point Sir: “Perception v. Reality.”

    And perception without evidence is nothing more that “gossip,” “distraction tactics” and old-style slash and burn politics.

  • Christopher Halsall // November 26, 2009 at 2:15 PM

    @Alex Fergusson: “And perception without evidence is nothing more that “gossip,” “distraction tactics” and old-style slash and burn politics.

    Incorrect.

    Evidence *starts* with perception. The more perceived examples available, the more the likelihood that what is observed is true…

    Grade school Science….

  • Alex Fergusson // November 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM

    In order to succeed in cases, trial attorneys must present documentary evidence at trial.

    Before this type of evidence may be introduced, certain evidentiary foundations must be established.

    A lawyer may have the best “proof” in the world, but if it is not admitted into evidence, it will be of no use.

    Regardless of the type of evidence, whether records, bills, photographs, letters, diagrams, or charts, a lawyer must lay the proper foundation before the documents may be introduced at trial as evidence.

  • Alex Fergusson // November 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM

    @ Christopher Halsall

    Sir, here is where I am going with this opening argument:

    In his 2008 Manifesto, David Thompson (as he then was) said: “My vision of Barbados is centered around the idea of our people enjoying a significant improvement in living standards here at home in Barbados.”

    Two years after promising to appoint persons with two or more years service in the Public Service of Barbados and also – that his Government will build 2000 houses every year for the next five years and provide 2500 house spots for sale to lower and middle income wage earners in the first term of a DLP Government – Mr. Thompson is in danger of not realizing that vision.

    Therefore, the only question Prime Minister Thompson, hartley henry, the DLP and the Central Bank Government have to answer is: Where is the: “Pathway to Progress” that was promised and where is the evidence that the DLP is: “transforming the nation to meet the real needs of the people?”

    If they show Barbadians the evidence, I will shut-up!

  • Christopher Halsall // November 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM

    @Alex Fergusson…

    Ah… I now understand our disconnect…

    You are speaking as a Lawyer.

    I am speaking as a Scientist.

    It is an open debate as to which classification is most trusted….

  • Anon // November 26, 2009 at 3:13 PM

    The old people beg me not to let Mia Amor Mottley get her hands on the taxpayers money. Do all you can to keep her out the Prime Minister’s office or “it gine be cat piss and pepper” with the peoples money. Her grandfather Ernest Deighton Mottley ” was no f*****g good” and she is not goung to be any better.

  • Anon // November 26, 2009 at 3:15 PM

    Today’s quizz.
    “I am who I am so don’t try to change me”.
    Guess whose words. Guess right and I will give you a Popsicle.

  • Anon // November 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM

    Today’s quizz no.2
    If I can’t take him(Ernest Deighton Mottley) out of the city, then I will take the city out of him.
    Guess whose words. Guess right and win a Snowball.

  • Christopher Halsall // November 26, 2009 at 3:41 PM

    @All…

    And, now, as expected, the Anonymous “noise” enters the channel…

    You can almost set your watch to it…

    This game would be much more fun if it wasn’t so predictable….

  • Alex Fergusson // November 26, 2009 at 4:48 PM

    @ Christopher Halsall

    Let us lift this debate kind Sir.

    “Barbados can and should rest assured that a democratic Labour Party administration will do something tangible and meaningful about this vexing issue of the cost of living because we are beholden to no one.”

    Is there any scientific or other evidence that anything has been done to reduce the cost of living?

    Is it going up of down?

  • Christopher Halsall // November 26, 2009 at 5:06 PM

    @Alex Fergusson,,,

    Let us please cut to the chase, shall we?

    IMHO, the DLP have their head up their ass; inhaling deeply…

    The BLP were no better; but they happened to have been in power during better times…

    At the end of the day we Bajans are along for the ride in International Affairs, while our “leaders” claim to understand and have control of the situation…

    Yeah… Right…

    What I find most disheartening is you (read: BLP supporters) saying you could do better, while you cut down the governing party every chance you get.

    With all due respect…

    Grow up….

  • Adrian Hinds // November 26, 2009 at 5:13 PM

    If the average American consumer does not worry about a negative rating from a credit reporting agency, Why should Barbados fear Standard & Poor’s?

  • Alex Fergusson // November 26, 2009 at 5:51 PM

    What do the letter ratings mean?

    The general meaning of our credit rating opinions is summarized below.
    ‘AAA’—Extremely strong capacity to meet financial commitments. Highest Rating.
    ‘AA’—Very strong capacity to meet financial commitments.
    ‘A’—Strong capacity to meet financial commitments, but somewhat susceptible to adverse economic conditions and changes in circumstances.
    ‘BBB’—Adequate capacity to meet financial commitments, but more subject to adverse economic conditions.
    ‘BBB-‘—Considered lowest investment grade by market participants.
    ‘BB+’—Considered highest speculative grade by market participants.
    ‘BB’—Less vulnerable in the near-term but faces major ongoing uncertainties to adverse business, financial and economic conditions.
    ‘B’—More vulnerable to adverse business, financial and economic conditions but currently has the capacity to meet financial commitments.
    ‘CCC’—Currently vulnerable and dependent on favorable business, financial and economic conditions to meet financial commitments.
    ‘CC’—Currently highly vulnerable.
    ‘C’—Currently highly vulnerable obligations and other defined circumstances.
    ‘D’—Payment default on financial commitments.
    Note: Ratings from ‘AA’ to ‘CCC’ may be modified by the addition of a plus (+) or minus (-) sign to show relative standing within the major rating categories.
    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Here is something to consider, when Thompson took over there was $2.4 billion in foreign reserves.

    In contrast, Presenident Obama inhereited an America that was already in deep doo doo.

    President Obama is making America and the World better, whereas David Thompson has placed Barbados on the highway to poverty, crisis and chaos.

  • Christopher Halsall // November 26, 2009 at 5:58 PM

    @Alex Fergusson: “President Obama is making America and the World better, whereas David Thompson has placed Barbados on the highway to poverty, crisis and chaos.

    Care to support this unsubstantiated assertion with some *evidence*?

    You are, after all, by your own admission, a Lawyer who has a very particular interpretation of evidence….

  • Alex Fergusson // November 26, 2009 at 6:02 PM

    Let us start with the US President.

    Because he did not pursue the missle plan in Poland, Russia is now helping with Iran.

    President Obama is now being praise by Fidel Castro.

    The Islamic world trust him.

    China has agreed only yesterday to reduce pollution.

    Israel and Palestine are now talking seriously.

    Let me stop there for breath.

  • Alex Fergusson // November 26, 2009 at 6:05 PM

    @ Christopher Halsall

    Here is more: Is Barbados on a Pathway to Progress? Is the DLP transforming this nation to meet the real needs of the people?

    If the answer to those two questions are “NO” – then my point is well made and your question is answered.

  • Christopher Halsall // November 26, 2009 at 6:05 PM

    @Alex Fergusson: “Let us start with the US President

    Actually, I was more interested in what you might say about Mr. Thompson…

    Take a few breaths…

    As a Lawyer I know you will want to consider your words carefully….

  • Christopher Halsall // November 26, 2009 at 6:09 PM

    @Alex Fergusson…

    And I thought I typed quickly…

    @AF: “Is Barbados on a Pathway to Progress?

    Impossible to answer at the moment.

    @AF: “Is the DLP transforming this nation to meet the real needs of the people?

    Impossible to answer at the moment.

    @AF: “If the answer to those two questions are “NO” – then my point is well made and your question is answered.

    You *really* are a Lawyer, aren’t you?

  • Crusoe // November 26, 2009 at 7:40 PM

    Dubai in dire straits and the rest of us will come to feel this too.

    The ….is about to hit the fan.

    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/the_gulf/article6934221.ece

  • Johnny Madman // November 26, 2009 at 8:16 PM

    From CH @AF: “If the answer to those two questions are “NO” – then my point is well made and your question is answered.

    Actually no AF. Whether Barbados is on a pathway to progress is not only dependent on actions of the ruling government, but on a multiplicity of factors including socio-economic activity brought forward from the previous administration, the current economic climate, world politics and trends and how progressive we are as a people, individually and collectively.

    To blame everything on the ruling party, without considering these factors is not only unfair, but without substance.

    As for your second question on the ‘real needs’ of the people, that question in itself has an inherent assumption that the real needs of the people have not been met by the status quo inherited from the previous administration.

  • Crusoe // November 26, 2009 at 8:28 PM

    Per the article on Dubai, this company is another house of cards.

    Talk about debacle!

  • Sargeant // November 27, 2009 at 12:30 AM

    Royalrumble

    This question was put to Barbadians in my post above. The answer to this question came in today’s Nation Newspaper, page four under the headlines “ New Governor against stimulus”.
    **************************************
    Here’s my question to you and Alex Fergusson

    • Would you trust the folks who caused the problem to provide the solution?

  • David // November 27, 2009 at 12:36 AM

    @Sargeant

    If we are listen to the experts they have been quick to point out the country ratings issued by the credit rating agencies have held, it has been the ratings on the structured products which they have gotten wrong. BU does not agree with that position but there you have it.

  • mash up & buy back // November 27, 2009 at 5:53 AM

    Is it just me or has any one else noticed that ‘J’ disppeared along the same time as Kim Young sojourn to England?

    Nice coincidence.

  • Anonymous // November 27, 2009 at 10:18 AM

    Standard & Poor gave Barbados a bad credit rating, and some bajans are scaring the entire country about what it could mean.

    How many of you have at some point had a bad credit report?
    —————————————-
    The statement and question above was put to several bajans I visited yesterday.

    The overwhelming position taken, was that Barbados has nothing to fear from a bad credit report.

    When I ask them about the language that Avinash Persuad used to define what a bad credit report meant for Barbados. They all agree that he is working for somebody. lol!

  • Adrian Hinds // November 27, 2009 at 10:19 AM

    The Anon above is me.

  • Hartley Henry // November 27, 2009 at 10:28 AM

    Avinash Persuad…needs to go and work for himself.

    He has neither a Masters or Phd Degree yet pompasetting around as a PROFESSOR .

    Professor of what…..CRAP ???

  • Adrian Hinds // November 27, 2009 at 10:58 AM

    David you need to look at Avinash Persaud’s language. He said “Barbados should be afraid; very afraid, of another credit downgrade.

    So what is he talking about? what is Standard and Poor? what is a credit rating? what does it mean? does it mean anything in of itself? Or must there be a subsequent event i.e. wanting to borrow? Are the two events occurring right now? Do we have a bad credit rating and a dire need to borrow right now?

    If we need to borrow during a credit downgrade can we not?

    Answering these questions and similar ones then reflect on Avinash’s words.

  • Alex Fergusson // November 27, 2009 at 11:15 AM

    @ Christopher Halsall,

    Would you agree that according to to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science would hold that under DLP rule: Barbados is not on any: “Pathway to Progress,” as alleged by the DLP.

    Futher, that according to to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science holds that – the DLP is not: “transforming the nation to meet the real needs of the people,” as also alleged on the front cover of its 2008 Manifesto?

  • Fair Play // November 27, 2009 at 7:36 PM

    To all the supporters of the BLP who are saying that the government doesn’t know what they are doing in terms of the economy is being very dishonest.
    Trained economists not associated with the BLP are giving the government a passing grade. The economists who were employed in government under the BLP s are still employed by the government to give advice. Are they not working very hard on behalf of Barbados? Our economy has not crashed. I see no changes in the people’s behavior when it comes to living a normal life.
    Check the Stadium for the big show coming up with Taurus Riley.
    Even if our standard of living drops it is still so far ahead of so many countries in the world. This recession may allow some of our people to see that Barbados has been fortunate as it has no great resources but is at the top of the Human Index in terms of standard of living.
    Lets us give thanks for all the benefits we enjoyed over the years .Forget the gloom and doom.

  • David // November 27, 2009 at 7:37 PM

    The truth is Adrian we are not sure how to read Pursaud. Now that Governor Worrell has wade enter the debate with his two cents it has placed the cat firmly among the pigeons.

  • anon // November 28, 2009 at 1:31 AM

    “recognise that there are things that you may like to do that could affect the standing of your party”? What Owen Arthur mean by that Mia?

  • Crusoe // November 28, 2009 at 5:20 AM

    Other than the long-term strategies of export development etc, the only short-term areas that may prevent downgrade at this stage are a significant rebalance of fiscal policy in increasing taxes i.e. VAT increase to 17.5% generally and Capital Gains tax on property and shares implementation and also a reduction of Government expenditure or the other one, a strong improvement in the international economies, which spur tourism etc and improve our balance of payments.

    The second is unlikely to happen anytime soon, so the first Government actions will need to occur.

    Other than that, it looks like further downgrade may be a real possibility, although I think, due to Barbados’s conservative history, the agencies will resist this for a while.

    Hence, whether we get a further downgrade, other than the Government actions noted, may be a moot point, it may happen anyway.

    Much more useful advice is ways in which to increase our balance of payments, fical policy and export potential.

    Those three areas are where we need our minds focused on.

    Anything else is criticism without guidance.

  • sad very sad // November 30, 2009 at 4:16 PM

    crap ? a professor of crap ? funny lol !

  • sad very sad // November 30, 2009 at 4:17 PM

    crap ? a professor of crap ? funny lol ! but

    sad very sad !

  • HA HA HA // December 5, 2009 at 8:17 PM

    when you can’t play the ball play the man. predictable tactic of propagandists paid and otherwise.

    what prof. persaud do you, hartley?

    your attack on mia is understandable. its what you are paid handsomely to do, but why you so cruel ’bout prof. persaud.

    is it a lame attempt to discredit a man’s expert opinion because it may not always be flattering to your geppeto. if so your nose seems unusually long of late.

  • Royalrumble // December 7, 2009 at 11:55 AM

    · Wishing In Vain // December 7, 2009 at 9:21 AM
    This story has no substance or creditabilty as it was concocted by a former paid worker for the PR of the BLP election campaign Mr Borke and Mottley, Mr Borke who is hired by the opposition in Dominica is wild swiping with the help of Mottley who too is wild swiping.
    Mottley is loosing all respect both here and abroad at a pace.

    It does not surprise me that Harley is in trouble again and once again he claims that he is innocent – persons are trying to frame him. Well let me state from the outset that all this does not surprise me and David you may try whatever tactics you like, you cannot wipe the filth from Harley. His reputation precedes him.

    The Opposition Leader of St. Kitts, during a meeting at the Hilda Skeene School in St. Philip to nominate Indar Wier, made reference to a court matter in his country involving the sexual molestation of a police officer. Hartley is mentioned as the accused in that matter.

    David can you locate and repost that article sent to you by a BU Blogger some months ago? It was an article that came in the TIMES of Dominica – headlined Skerrit Vex with Ambrose – in which Hartley is again mentioned in a dubious deal. It was a deal in which the Private Capital Bank was trying to secure a license to operate in Dominica. The question that must be asked is what kind of regulatory system is there in Dominica that will permit the involvement of Hartley in securing a banking license? Should not the owners of this Bank be applying directly to the officials of the Ministry responsible for such matters in Dominica? We can see now why Barbados is the least corrupt in this region- a status Barbados may soon lose with Hartley as the DLP’s chief political advisor.

    The first paragraph of that article reads, “Reliable information reaching the Times indicates that there is great anger and frustration within the ranks of the Dominica Labour Party on the persistent involvement of Ambrose George in a number of big money international scams”. The article continues, “The gentleman Hartley Henry was essential in the process of getting the bank license, without him we would not have got it”. The article gets even sweeter as it uncovers the players involve in this “axis of evil”. The article reported that, “It was agreed to pay him US$100,000 for his assistance and having the license executed”. It also reported, “It has been revealed that Downes was instructed to send the money to the following account #: Thompson Associates Account # 02073411 Barbados National Bank, Bridgetown, Barbados Swift code: BNBABABBB”.

    Is this Thompson Associates the same law firm of the David Thompson? I hope not. So clearly there are a number of unanswered questions about Hartley and how he has been able to survive among the leaders of like minds in this region.

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