Submitted by Terence Blackett
By 1540, the Society of Jesus or the Jesuits as they are called were established with the principal function to win back the Protestant countries of Europe by any religio-political means necessary and to bring the World Order under the aegis of Vatican rule.
The underhanded working of the “Black Prince” became diabolically subterranean and sinister. In its ethos, where its reach has now been felt for the last 460 years the “dark forces” of the underworld planned, schemed, concocted and spun a web of lying intrigue and subterfuge to mask their evil deeds of deception. We know however that these malignant powers have been at work for thousands of years, mangling the world in its tentacles even long before this Order came of age.
The sinister timeline of Jesuit theology and its influence has been such that it has infected every nation, kindred, tongue and people. It has created storm clouds of the magnitude that 2 major world wars have been fought in its name resulting in what Edmond Paris describes as:
“A great accumulation of clouds, where lightning is powerful and the storm is bound to break out… Between 1939 and 1945, the storm killed 57 million souls ravaging and ruining Europe. We must be on our guard; another and even worse catastrophe may lie hidden in these same clouds; lighting may strike again, throwing the world into “abysses human wisdom can foresee”, but out of which, if it had the misfortune to let itself be thrown into, no power (on earth) could rescue it.” [Emphasis supplied is mine].
Modern Christianity has largely forgotten the importance of the Protestant Reformation of the 1500’s. Moreover, its resemblance to the church set up by Christ at His ascension pales in comparison today for what passes off as the Christian faith.
After 1260 years of papal oppression, the church awoke after a deep, dense, dark night of sleep to realize that superstition was rife and the witness for Biblical truth that was slain and martyred was left for dead, lying in the streets in an age of reason – a Renaissance bolstered by a move away from feudalism to modernity. But the dawn of the light of the Reformation meant that the opening of prophetic revelation (once sealed up) had finally been opened.
On the scene of action came Martin Luther. It has been said that the Reformation first discovered Jesus Christ, and then, in the blazing light of Christ, it discovered the Antichrist. This mighty, Spirit-filled movement, for Christ and against the Antichrist, shook the world.
H. Grattan Guinness wrote these memorable words: “From the first, and throughout, that movement [the Reformation] was energized and guided by the prophetic word. Luther never felt strong and free to war against the Papal apostasy till he recognized the pope as Antichrist. It was then that he burned the Papal bull (shit*) [Emphasis supplied is mine].
But the Jesuits answered!
“In the reaction that followed, all the powers of hell seemed to be let loose upon the adherents of the Reformation. War followed war: tortures, burnings, and massacres were multiplied.”
So in 1545 the Council of Trent was set up to counter the Reformation and ending its 3rd session in 1563 where the Catholic Church hierarchy gave the Jesuits the specific assignment of destroying Protestantism and bringing people back to the Mother Church. This was to be done not only through the Inquisition and through torture, but also through insidious and pervasive theology.
At the Council of Trent, the Jesuits were commissioned by the Pope to develop a new interpretation of Scripture that would counteract the Protestant application of the Bible’s Antichrist prophecies to the Roman Catholic Church. Francisco Ribera (1537-1591), a brilliant Jesuit priest and doctor of theology from Spain published a commentary on Revelation as a counter-interpretation to the prevailing view among Protestants which identified the Papacy with the Antichrist. Ribera applied all of Revelation but the earliest chapters to the end time rather than to the history of the Church. According to concocted Jesuit theology – The Antichrist would be a single evil person who would be received by the Jews and would rebuild Jerusalem at the end of time.
Ribera’s antithesis on the Protestant Scriptural Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2) as seated in the church of God —asserted by Augustine, Jerome, Luther and many reformers was now dispelled and they set up an infidel Antichrist, outside the church of God. “The result of his work [Ribera’s] was a twisting and maligning of prophetic truth.”
On the heels of Ribera was Jesuit scholar, Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621). The (Futurism) teachings of these Jesuits has paved the way for much of present day Christian eschatology especially of the role that the Antichrist will play in world events in the Last Days – a damnable “LIE” perpetrated against the Holy Writ – Scriptures which clearly states that the “spirit” of Antichrist has always been in the world and Paul acknowledges that the “man of sin” would be revealed in the Apocalyptic discourse.
So Jesuit Futurism swept 1,500 years of prophetic history under the proverbial carpet by inserting its infamous “GAP” theory – a heresy which teaches that when Rome fell, prophecy stopped, only to continue again right around the time of the Rapture, thus the “gap” was created. The ten horns, the little horn, the Beast, and the Antichrist have nothing to do with Christians until this “last-day Antichrist” should appear. According to this viewpoint, there were no prophecies being fulfilled during the 1260 years of the Dark Ages!
However, it was during the 19th century that this Jesuit form of theology took on a spurious global dimension where the likes of Dr. Samuel Roffey Maitland (1792-1866), a lawyer and Bible scholar, became a librarian to the Archbishop of Canterbury and found Ribera doctrines and began to widely publish and advocate these deceptive teachings.
After Dr. Maitland came James H. Todd, a professor of Hebrew at the University of Dublin. Todd accepted the futuristic ideas of Maitland, publishing his own supportive pamphlets and books. Then came John Henry Newman (1801-1890), a member of the Church of England and a leader of the famous Oxford Movement (1833-1845). Newman soon became a full Roman Catholic, and later even a highly honored Cardinal. Then came the much-respected Scottish Presbyterian minister, Edward Irving (1792-1834), the acknowledged forerunner of both the Pentecostal and Charismatic Movements. When Irving turned to the prophecies, he eventually accepted the one-man Antichrist idea of Todd, Maitland, Bellarmine, and Ribera, yet he went a step further. Somewhere around 1830, Edward Irving began to teach the unique idea of a two-phase return of Christ, the first phase being a “SECRET RAPTURE” prior to the rise of the Antichrist.
Then came John Nelson Darby (1800-1882) – a brilliant lawyer, pastor, and theologian, who wrote more than 53 books on Bible subjects and is credited as the father of Dispensationalism. Dispensationalism is the theory that God deals with mankind in major dispensations or periods. Darby’s contribution to the development of evangelical theology has been so great that he like Edward Irving also became a strong promoter of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture followed by a one-man Antichrist. In fact, this teaching has become a hallmark of Dispensationalism. John Nelson Darby laid much of the foundation for the present popular removal of Daniel’s 70th week away from history and from Jesus Christ in favor of applying it to a future Tribulation after the Rapture.
The greatest of all these Jesuits subliminal adherents was Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (1843-1921), a Kansas lawyer who was greatly influenced by the writings of Darby. In 1909, Scofield published the first edition of his famous Scofield Reference Bible. In the early 1900s, this Bible became so popular in American Protestant Bible schools that it was necessary to print literally millions of copies. This was the beginning of the end of American Protestant Christianity and a proper exegetical understanding of prophecy and the Scripture.
The Moody Bible Institute and the Dallas Theological Seminary have strongly supported the teachings of John Nelson Darby, and this has continued to fuel Futurism’s growth. Then in the 1970s, Pastor Hal Lindsey, a graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary, released his blockbuster book The Late Great Planet Earth. This 177-page, easy-to-read volume brought Futurism to the masses of American Christianity, and beyond. 30 million copies later and in over 30 languages. Through The Late Great Planet Earth, Jesuit Futurism took a strong hold over the Protestant Christian world.
So in the 1990s, Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins took the future one-man Antichrist idea of Scofield, Darby, Irving, Newman, Todd, Maitland, Bellarmine, and Ribera, and turned it into Blockbuster books and movies like Left Behind produced by Jack Van Impe, Peter and Paul Lalonde, and John Hagee. This has been the direction of American Protestant theology which has been pervasive across the globe for the last 30 years.
“The proper eschatological term for the view most widely taught today is futurism which fuels the confusion of Dispensationalism. The futuristic school of Bible prophecy came from the Roman Catholic Church, specifically her Jesuit theologians.”
Who has the right theology—those who were burned at the stake for Jesus Christ, or those who lit the fires? Who has the true Bible doctrine—the martyrs or their persecutors? Who has the correct interpretation of the Antichrist—those who died trusting in the blood of Christ, or those who shed the blood of God’s dear saints? This is the real issue today in Christianity…
You be the judge!
@ annymous 2
Some good history
The English Reformation
1531-1559
•1531: Henry VIII is recognized as Supreme Head of the Church in England.
•1533: Henry VIII marries Anne Boleyn.
•1534: The Act of Supremacy: The King is declared head of the Church in England.
•1535: Thomas More is executed for refusing to take the oath of the King’s Supremacy.
•1536: Henry VIII dissolves 376 monasteries and nuneries.
•1539: The Six Articles.
•1547: Edward VI (r. 1546-1553) becomes King of England.
•1549: Thomas Cranmer issues the Book of Common Prayer.
•1553: Mary I (r. 1553-1558) becomes Queen of England.
•1554: The Catholic Church is restored in England.
•1556: Thomas Cranmer is burned at the stake.
•1558: Elizabeth I (r. 1558-1603) becomes Queen of England.
•1559: Elizabethan “Book of Common Prayer” issued.
Why is the christian religion so complex?
Different interpretations (divisions ) of the divine word as described by different interpretors.
If one was to divide say a Harry Potter novel, would the scholarship necessary to disseminate Rowling’s work make the meaning not as written, but as opaque as the dividers
assume through their due diligence,
and extensive study, assume it to be.
Division, it seems to me, is an arbitrary effort to make the facts fit the reality, or faith in that reality.
Scholarly research into the Greek roots of the original text illuminate the contradictions and therefore validity of the King James “version” of God’s word.
“God said this , but he really meant that” type of convenient truths to live your life by.
Treating the bible as a puzzle to be solved before we quit this mortal coil
is not living, it is a time consuming, life squandering, obsession.
@Anonymous [2]……Have you ever heard this brilliant piece ‘Touch not God’s Anointed nor do his……..no harm?’ Hahahah! Ooohh lalala!
You see how the head of the BU Trinity with whom I usually disagree, used his historical ‘WISDOM’ in my defence because he knows very well that it was that same cow wallops that nurtured him. You think he got ‘G’ in GP for fun?
Why look to the Anglican to find out their dirty little secrets? If you were a thief would you let people know?
Thanks GP!
Hopi
Even though we always disagree, when you are correct you must be defended. LOL
But I didnt defend you because you were a prophet though…..Ooohh lalala!
LOL
@ Straight talk
Re Why is the christian religion so complex?
BECAUSE THE DEVIL AND MEN MADE IT SO
Christianity is really quite simple! In a nut shell HAVE FAITH IN CHRIST & BE FAITHFUL TO CHRIST’S CALL ON YOUR LIFE
Re Different interpretations (divisions ) of the divine word as described by different interpretors.
There are only TWO DIVISIONS of the WORD really. RIGHT DIVISION & WRONG DIVISION.
Re Division, it seems to me, is an arbitrary effort to make the facts fit the reality, or faith in that reality.
The key words in your sentence are “it seems to me, “
2 Timothy 2:15 states very clearly STUDY to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be afraid RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH.
In John 5:39, Jesus said Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Jesus said SEARCH the scriptures……because they testify of him!
RE Scholarly research into the Greek roots of the original text illuminate the contradictions and therefore validity of the King James “version” of God’s word.
FALSEHOOD BASED IN IGNORANCE
the King James “version” of God’s word. Is the RESULT OF A TRANSLATION.
The OT was written in Hebrew and the NT in koine GREEK, which was the language spoken by the then world . The English language was not then even invented!. Where as the Greek language.like Latin are very EXACT languages, English is not!
E.g What does the English word “dear” mean? Or “honey? Or “tire” or “lead” and we can go on. With out context you are lost.
Theologians therefore study language, historical backgrounds, manners and customs etc to facilitate the correct interpretation or better interpretation.
What does Jesus needs go through Samaria mean in I John 4 for example? Studying the historical background allows you to understand that needs means that he had a specific purpose in going there , i.e to meet the Samaritan women at the well. There were actually other ways to get to his destination, so he did not NEED to go through Samaria. In fact Jews because of their hatred for the Samaritans went a much longer route!
Similarly in the Hebrew. E.g read Genesis 4:7 “If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door
Did you know that the SAME Hebrew word translated SIN is also used to mean SIN OFFERING? Read the text with sin offering instead of sin, and see if it does not make more sense.
Re “God said this , but he really meant that” type of convenient truths to live your life by.
This statement is bred in deep ignorance also. God said exactly what he wanted to say in the original languages, and it is a joy to discover and understand this. Such an understanding is facilitated by the use of certain books like String’s concordance which not only lists the words used but issues a number besides the verses so that you can know when a different Hebrew or Greek word is used in the original text, but translated by the same English word.
Idiots on this forum have condemned the use of such a book in their pride and ignorance because they think they understand the Word better than anyone else by just reading it. FOOLISHNESS!
Men have devoted their entire lives to studying Shakespeare. Some have devoted theirs to studying the Word, and the origin and etymology of words used in the Bible to help others understand the word better.
Re Treating the bible as a puzzle to be solved before we quit this mortal coil
is not living, it is a time consuming, life squandering, obsession.
Some men like walking behind a white ball; some men run behind a red one. Some drink til they get drunk, some womenize. Some read fiction; some love porn . Are these not time consuming, life squandering, obsession also
Some men spit in the air and the spittle falls back in their faces as they pretend to have sense.
@ GP
Re Why is the christian religion so complex?
BECAUSE THE DEVIL AND MEN MADE IT SO
Christianity is really quite simple!
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May I humbly differ sir?
It is likely complex and confusing because God made it so…. at least, that is according to what I saw in my bible when I used to read it…
“Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk. and drawn from the breast?
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line; line upon line; here a little; there a little.
For with stammering lips and a strange tongue will he speak to this people….”
Also;
As I have previously explained to you at great length, Jesus operated in exact like manner by speaking to ALL except his disciples in parables which were DESIGNED to ensure that those folks DID NOT UNDERSTAND what he was talking about……
…well at least that is what Jesus said when asked by the disciples in private why he spoke in parables…
I know it dosn’t fit well into your theological reality GP, but that is what is written.
On the issue of how deep the Jesuit influence runs – GREG SZYMANSKI WAS ASKED THE QUESTION:
“Is it true that many of the world’s leaders from dictators to presidents have been trained by Jesuits and if so could you tell us some of the people in positions of power that have been trained by Jesuits?
Yes. The list is huge. Here are a few.
Marx was tutored by Jesuits in the British Museum for nearly thirty years; Lenin and Mussolini were both trained by Jesuits when in Geneva—the Order’s international banking haven for which reason Switzerland never goes to war; Stalin was trained by Jesuits while in the Tiflis Orthodox Seminary in Georgia – openly admitted by “Koba” himself to journalist and Masonic Jew Emil Ludwig (Cohen).
Fidel Castro was trained by Jesuits for seven years in Cuba, was put in power by the CIA, and advised by a Jesuit, Fr. Armando Llorente, during the revolution.
Masonic Douglas MacArthur was trained by Jesuits according to an Army Colonel who personally knew him.
Masonic Lyndon Johnson was trained by Jesuits at Georgetown University for a time, as was “the graduate” President Bill Clinton.
Don Shula of the Miami Dolphins was Jesuit-trained along with Denzel Washington, that traitor to his own Black people.
The star of Mash was Jesuit-trained while Martin Sheen (who changed his name after the name of Cold Warrior Bishop Fulton Sheen) has taken Loyola’s Spiritual Exercises and recently dedicated a new library at the Order’s Marquette University.
John C. Gannon, the real father of the Order’s Department of Homeland Security (our American Gestapo) was a member of the Jesuit Volunteer Corps and is affiliated with Georgetown University while an ex-CIA officer and CFR member.
Pat Buchanan, a Knight of Malta (SMOM), is affiliated with Jesuit John McLaughlin of the McLaughlin Group, and was Jesuit-trained at Georgetown, as was SMOM and former CIA Director, Geoge J. Tenet – the man in charge of bringing down the WTC and attack on the Pentagon via a Cruise missile. This is one of the connections, along with SMOM Rudolf Giuliani, that enables us to connect the Archbishop of New York, Edward Cardinal Egan, to 911 and thus Bush’s “War on Terror.”
Chris Matthews of Hardball was Jesuit-trained at College of the Holy Cross, he serving for many years as the assistant for another Jesuit-trained Coadjutor and Kennedy assassin, Speaker of the House and Jesuit Boston College trustee, Thomas “Tip” O’Neill.
The head of the Pope’s Federal Reserve Bank of New York—where all of the nation’s gold is in storage thanks to FDR’s gift of our Ft. Knox gold to the Fed according to “the man who opened Ft. Knox,” the late Roman Catholic Washington attorney Dr. Peter Beter – is CFR President Peter G. Peterson, holding an honorary doctorate from Georgetown University.
Even JFK attended Georgetown for a while as well as the Order’s Fabian Socialist London School of Economics. (The Order prepared him for the presidency, obtained his “election,” and then killed him for being a disobedient “tyrant and a usurper.”)
Indeed, the Jesuits train or influence those who will rule on their behalf.
The State Department is full of those having graduated from the Order’s School of Foreign Service started by Jesuit Edmund A. Walsh – the master of both military tribunals after WWII and backer of Jesuit-trained inquisitor Joseph McCarthy. Again Wylie writes on p. 388:
“Wherever the Jesuits have planted missions, opened seminaries, and established colleges, they have been careful to inculcate these principles in the minds of the youth; thus sowing the seeds of future tumults, revolutions [the Black Civil Rights movement], regicides [the murder of JFK], and wars [the Vietnam War].”
Read the whole excerpt:
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/13-Jan-2008.html
It is remarkable for any intellectually honest person to disavow knowledge of Keynes’ Jesuit affiliation, training and association – same thing for Isaac Newton (already documented in 17th century research materials)…
Equally, John Maynard Keynes associations within the FABIAN SOCIETY* ran deep – re:
http://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/the-crimes-of-the-fabian-socialist-nwo/#more-4164
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnUUMs9WIC0
When Newton’s work was discovered 300 years after his death it was probably the greatest find in modern academic history. For in the million or so words penned by “hand” (by quill) – Newton discoveries outside of PHYSICS, ALCHEMY, LAWS OF GRAVITY & MATHEMATICS was dwarfed by his real passion in life – THE UNFOLDING OF THE REVELATIONS OF DANIEL & THE REVELATION…
The religious collections of Newton’s work not seen by the world which sat in the home of the DUKE OF Portsmouth for well over 200 years which was bought by the late Jesuit trained Jewish scholar, collector and Cabbalist Abraham Yehuda, an Iraqi professor of Semetic Languages where upon his death left the documents to the State of Israel’s Jewish National Library preserved in Hebrew University in Jerusalem. Newton’s more secretive Biblical discoveries which are still kept under lock and key in Jerusalem (the world only seeing what needs to be seen) was haggled over by the Kabbalah since the mid 90′s, knowing the importance of prophecy to the existence of Israel as a nation in the Diaspora awaiting their ultimate amalgamation as a nation based on the prophecies of Jeremiah.
For many, DENIAL is still the best form of defense….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0meVCKe3q4
BT
@ GP
Re Why is the christian religion so complex?
BECAUSE THE DEVIL AND MEN MADE IT SO
Christianity is really quite simple!
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May I humbly differ sir?
YOU MAY SIR.
Do not think that I dont understand what you are saying, and that I deny that there is much merit in your arguement. But you obviously understand MUCH. So it can be understood and simplified.
You admit to having read the Bible, which partly accounts for your understanding, since you cant begin to undrrstand that which you have not read.
To those who have read more, they might understand more, and thus with the aid of their indwelling Resident Tutor understand more.
Now few church goers of ALL denominations scarcely read their Bibles. So how can they put precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line; line upon line; here a little; there a little?
Now the verse you quote from Isaiah mirrors the two major NT truths that I quoted about STUDYING & SEARCHING.
You study and search and master a line or precept, piece by piece and if you continue in that vein for lonfg enough it starts to fit together like a jig saw puzzle. If you have hood teachers, books and study guides, you facilitate and speed up the process.
I hope that this helps to clarify my position on the simplicity.
Let me give you a little puzzle. The concept about the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life comes towards the end of the Bible in 1 John 2:16; but we get the account of our forpartents disobeying these precepts in Genesis 3; and the Lord Jesus whom Joghn says did no sin passing the same tests when put to him by the same devil in Mathew 4 and Luke 4.
Such a connection is not readily made; unless you have read the passages and understood each of them, then, and only then can you put precept upon precpt upon precept and line upon line.
THIS BECOMS EASIER AND EASIER THE MORE YOU STUDY AND SEARCH. What do you think?
I stand on my view that the devil makes the process harder by propmoting men who terach false doctrine and muddy up the waters- making it even harder especially for those who neither SEARCH or STUDY.
BT trust me. I know of what I speak.
i obviously need a new key board lol
@ GP
Yours is tenuous and far-fetched explanation I would suggest. The idea of studying long and hard with good teachers goes directly AGAINST your much touted phylosophy of salvation by grace and not by works.
It places unfair and unreasonable bias against dummies like Bush Tea who did not make it to HC (thank God) and generally does not fit into any logcal basis of intelligent design.
For example, I am pretty sure that MME would not design a system like that.
Interestingly, I note that you steered clear of Jesus’s position with respect to parables. I really LOVE Jesus – the man was just tight then. You check how plainly he answered the question of why he spoke in parables?
“Because it is given to YOU to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it IS NOT GIVEN”
….can anyone be clearer than that?!!
Man what devil what GP?!?
Gentlemen:
Been busy with a web page update, related to what I am seeing here in this thread [also see this].
1: On Bible matters,
I simply strongly recommend that you download the eSWORD resource, freely available here, and with a wealth of onward resources, e.g. try D Cox. (Or if you want an easier all at once go for the Word English package here.)
The wealth of resources accessible though such free materials will enable a deep and comprehensive study, with all the original language inputs a layman would want.
2: The Jesuits . ..
TB, I see the cluster of claims and links.
Comes across as a little overdone [and not with first rank sources], e.g. when he came to the UK Marx was already a PhD philosopher and established journalist. He had already written on Fuerbach, in which e.g. here, one can find the germs of all his main ideas.
Similarly, since Jesuits have long been established in education at secondary and tertiary levels, it is not hard to find a long list of prominent statesmen etc who have been trained by Jesuits.
And, the days in which the Jesuits served as spies, assassins etc for the Vatican state are long past.
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As I have pointed out, secularist humanist internationalism developing from progressivist Victorian era imperialism is a far more clear case of dominant — ands in significant parts dangerous — influences in our day.
G’day
D
Bush Tea
Dealing with you can sometimes be very tedious and like pulling teeth.
My explanation is neither far fetched or tenuous.
Salvation by grace and not by works HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUE AT HAND SIR..
The Apostle Paul certainly studied long and hard with good teachers and he is the major teacher of salvation by grace and not by works in the NT. He himself admits to studying hard and long under Gamaliel. Remember?
Furthermore, I can present to you several pastors in Barbados who neither attended HC or Cawmere, and who teach the Word very well. I was blessed sitting under the ministry of two such men who helped to disciple me. NEITHER OF THEM EVEN WENT TO SECONDARY SCHOOL AT ALL!
In my travels in the islands and elsewhere, I have met several men, who though not attending the prestigious schools in their islands or even SECONDARY SCHOOL AT ALL, teach the Word and present the Gospel extremely well! In fact men like Dictionary and I are a rarer breed, especially as the islands get smaller, and the populations smaller.
In fact it has probably always been so. NO wonder in 1 Corinthians 1 26 Paul writes not MANY mighty, not MANY noble are called. The early church was not filled with men like Paul and Dr Luke, but ordinary fisher men also taught the word—although it is true that unlike contemporary jokers they would have been well versed in the OT, as part of their culture. This is evident as when their eyes and hearts were opened, they quoted the OT scriptures appropriately.
There was no need to talk about Jesus and his parables- which seem to be all you know. I love Jesus too. He is the main character of the ENTIRE BIBLE. He is there first as creator and then in type and Christophany, before appearing as the Word made flesh.
I also like his teachings, and I also under stand that he often but NOT always spoke in parables. And yes Jesus did say “Because it is given to YOU to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it IS NOT GIVEN”
The Word also says in Hebrews 11: 6b for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
This not only corroborates that phrase which you hang on to as if it is all the truth on the subject. The SAME Jesus in John 5:39 said SEARCH the scriptures, and the HC type Paul said STUDY. ….can anything be clearer than that?!! That is what is called RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH. That is the meaning of the text in 2 Peter 1:20 that is very germane to this argument Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Which basically means that YOU MUST USE SCRIPTURE TO INTEPRET SCRIPTURE. You must understand what scripture x says to facilitate your understanding of passage b. You cant build a teaching on one verse that you like to hang on to.
This is why there are cults and divisions in the church; and the DEVIL is behind it all- whether you like it or not! The devil is the author of confusion and false teaching especially for those who refuse to SEARCH and STUDY the scriptures for them selves whether with or without teachers or texts or approved tomes!
The SCRIPTURE ITSELF TEACHES THIS AND WE ARE WARNED BY
1- JESUS
2- PAUL in Acts 20:28-30 for example
3= PETER
4-JUDE
5- JOHN
That false teachers would arise.
With all due respect BT you need to do some more SEARCHING & STUDYING before you contradict me ALL THE TIME about things about which I have a sound grasp, and stop holding on to a few passages that you understand or think you understand. The purpose of SEARCHING & STUDYING is to better understand the WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD!
The devil is very important in this matter because
1- THE SAME JESUS TAUGHT IN THE PARABLES that the wicked one comes to snatch away the SEED (of the Word) when it is sown
2- He keeps folk away from SEARCHING & STUDYING so that they may better understand the WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD!
3- He promotes those who WRONGLY DIVIDE THE WORD for their own personal gain as taught by Peter in I Peter 5 and 2 Peter 2
4- He robs local churches of tithes and offerings that might better be deployed, that is sent to EVIL MEN on radio and tv who are daily BEGGING FOR MONEY and begging folk to sow seed into their ministries i.e their personal pockets.
The devil and men are thus involved in making the teaching of the Word MORE DIFFICULT! For those of us who have sought to know, and better understand the WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD, SEARCHING & STUDYING has helped a lot.!
I rest my case………….for now!
You see BT I am not a fanatic. Just slow sound steadfast and thus sure. LOL ROTFLMAO!
ME contradict you GP?!! the very thought!!!
Bush Tea has nothing but respect for your knowledge and learning. It is only with your understanding that I have some small issues…
…seems to me that the guilty contradictor is JC.
You are obviously one of those people who start a discussion from the premise that you are absolutely correct, and that the only challenge is to drag the ignorant masses into proper understanding. (a common trait of ‘bright’ folks.
…in short, you are sadly misguided.
You say Paul studied long an hard? ..and he probably did (who cares?) Was this before or after he was struck by the blinding light and CHOSEN to do the mission assigned him..?
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You say Paul studied long an hard? ..and he probably did (who cares?) Was this before or after he was struck by the blinding light and CHOSEN to do the mission assigned him..?
We must care that Paul studied hard.
God chose Paul to write most of the NT along with Luke…………and ………..the Holy Spirit instructed himto teach us to STUDY!
Clearly Paul had studied BEFORE he saw the light, and he continued no doubt to study thereafter. He no doubt obeyed Jesus’ command in John 8:31 TO CONTINUE IN HIS WORD.
Thats why he wrote in Colossians 1:23 If ye CONTINUE in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
re seems to me that the guilty contradictor is JC.
NO Jesus does not contradict anything.
How could he? He knew the beginning from the end. He knew what was already said AND WHAT WOULD BE SAID.
IT is YOU that can NOT get past one litle concept that you understand, and tenaciously hold on to.
Open your mind man. STUDY SEARCH and LEARN.
Re You are obviously one of those people who start a discussion from the premise that you are absolutely correct, and that the only challenge is to drag the ignorant masses into proper understanding. (a common trait of ‘bright’ folks.
Well first I opine ONLY ABOUT THOSE WHICH I KNOW WELL.
I NEVER TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT I DONT KNOW or think that I know.
I OPINE ON THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT I KNOW.
And one of the things that I KNOW well is that it is VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE to drag the ignorant masses into a proper understanding of anything……..because it is very clear to me that the ignorant masses are content to remain in thier ignorance.
I opine on BU in the hope that many in cyberspace who want to learn might indeed learn something.
I KNOW too BT that certainly cant teach you anything …. because you apparently THINK you know it all.
Meanwhile, I will continue searching and studying, because there are places that I teach, and persons that I teach who want to know more than they already know.
Do have a nice holiday season Sir
Oh by the way BT……. “THE FAITH” in the Collosians reference is “pistis” in the greek, and it refers to THAT BODY OF INFORMATION GIVEN TO US TO STUDY, SEARCH, AND HENCE BELIEVE.
We are reminded in Romans 10:17 that faith cometh by hearing the word of God
@ GP
I OPINE ON THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT I KNOW.
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I rest my case!
It is not your fault though – that HC attitude….
It looks like I will have to fall back to my last resort for you- Plan C.
I gwine have to pray for you. I apologize in advance. You need to know that I ALWAYS get what I pray for….
My prayer will be that you not continue to be so blind that you would not see…
Cud Dear Man!
1-Paul used to study a lot – and terrorize christians.
2- He got struck down by a blinding light – and saw the light of the holy spirit
3- He continued to study (you guess) – and becomes a leading minister of the Gospel
…. and you conclude that the critical factor here is study???!!??
Man GP, what study what! the key is the holy spirit.
BT
1- Does it really matter that much that I attended HC? What HC attitude what!?
2- Don’t pray for me BT. I might just turn out to be an idiot! I am happy in my blindness. OK?
3- Yes Paul had studied the OT and like many of his peers did not understand who Jesus was. They could not understand how the Messiah could be a suffering savior. That is one of the nuances of the OT that escaped the Jews. So in his ignorance he did indeed terrorize Christians as you say.
However, when the glorious light of the gospel shone into his heart and with the Holy Spirit of Truth, who guides into all truth; and who is also the Indwelling Resident Tutor he BETTER UNDERSTODD WHAT HE HAD STUDIED.
How do I know that? Because he quotes from the OT repeatedly in his writings.
Read Romans 9-11 and see how many times he quotes from Deuteronomy. (Also a favorite book of Jesus).
The Holy Spirit does NOT impart knowledge to folk who do not study.
How can you know unless you study? I didn’t learn Medicine by sitting on the beach or somewhere, and having the information enter my brain by osmosis, or by aerosolization or by droplet spread. I actually STUDIED! You might be surprised to learn that.
I didn’t learn BIOCHEMISTRY OR PHARMACOLOGY by sitting on the beach or somewhere, and having the information enter my brain by osmosis, or by aeroloization or by droplet spread. I actually STUDIED! I bet you didn’t know that.
I didn’t learn the BIBLE that way either. I STUDIED, and as I did so the HOLY SPIRIT INTERPRETED and facilitated my understanding; just as he did for the many persons who taught me face to face, or by listening on tv or radio or via the good books that I have read.
Yes the HOLY SPIRIT IS THE KEY, but he only comes into play when you obey the WORD that HE DIRECTED THE WRITING THEREOF.
And in that word he directed John to record the fact that JESUS HIMSELF taught us to SEARCH THE SCRITURE.
The Holy Spirit directed Paul to write in 2 Tim 2 :15 to command believers ( and note the VERB IS IN THE IMPERATIVE IN THE GREEK)
STUDY TO SHOW THYSELF APPROVED UNTO GOD, A WORKMAN THAT NEEDETH NOT TO BE AHAMED RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH.
The same HOLY SPIRIT directed Peter in 1 Peter 2:2 to command us ( and note again the VERB IS IN THE IMPERATIVE IN THE GREEK)
DESIRE (THE SINCERE OR PURE OR UNADULTERATED) MILK OF THE WORD that we may grow thereby.
Don’t pray for me BT.
I have been well taught……..and I DID NOT LEARN BIBLE AT HC!
And I don’t think that you can teach me much or anything about the Bible, that I have not or will not learn from much better sources.
I RESPECT MEN WHO STUDY THE SCRITURES AND MEN WHO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A NEED TO STUDY THE SCRIPTURES AND SEARCH IT AND DESIRE IT etc
I HAVE NEVER EVER MET ANYONE ANYWHERE WHO CAN TEACH OR EXPLAIN SCRIPTURES WELL WHO HAVE NOT STUDIED IT, AND I DON’T EXPECT TO EVER MEET ANY SUCH PERSON.
Any one and everyone that I know who knows anything well that I have met in my life HAS ATTAINED THAT KNOWLEDGE BY STUDY OF SOME SORT.
And I am mortally afraid of miracle workers, as my understanding is that the next real miracle worker will be ANTICHRIST.
So please don’t pray for me BT. I beg you please. OK? Thank you Sir!
I “found” Handel’s Messiah this Christmas.
I am beginning to understand what the composer was trying to express and just can’t get some of it out of my head.
I survived Music Appreciation at Harrison College with Mr. Billington although I grasped the pinciples he attempted to teach us dull laggards and could actually pick out the major musical instruments in an orchestra.
Solos in classical music I used to find boring and never listenend so never heard the message.
In my day at school if you showed even the slightest tendency to appreciate any classical music you were considered weird.
Nowadays it is routine for schools to have orchestras.
Classical music is way beyond me but I listened at a performance of the Messiah, first to the music of the orchestra as it brought back boyhood memories of Music Appreciation …. and then to the words of the soloists and choir.
I was fortunate the program itemised each section and for the first time I grasped that there was a whole made up of many parts.
I understood for the first time that the music and words tell a story and for the first time I begun to understand what they were all about.
The Bible is in some ways like Classical music.
Attitudes toward it are learnt in youth and often die hard.
John
I am happy to hear that you “found” Handel’s Messiah this Christmas, and that you were able to understood for the first time that the music and words tell a story and for the first time I begun to understand what they were all about. PRAISE GOD!
Unlike you, Mr. Billington’s era and the classical musical renaissance at HC started by “Tank” (whose dad who I understand was at one time organist at St Mathias church) was too late for folk like me to benefit therefrom at HC. So my love for classical music and classical music of the Handel’s Messiah genre ( as was my love for and knowledge of the Bible) did not begin at HC either, but at home and in that great Christ Church Parish Church Choir of the 60’s. under Winston Hackett in the rectorship of AI Johnson.
And you are absolute right when you state that “The Bible is in some ways like Classical music. Attitudes toward it are learnt in youth and often die hard.”
I first heard Handel’s Messiah as an eight year old boy in my home, when my father incessantly played a set of records on one of his trips to the UK.I would later sing parts of it as a treble boy in the Christ Church Parish Church Choir. And as I learned the Word in my teens I was able to recognize that the words that are sung are ALL taken directly from the Scriptures! And RELEVANT SCRIPTURES TOO.
Do you know why in ALL performances of this great work that it is tradiotional for the audience to stand during the performance of the most popular and simplest of the choruses in this three part Cantata or Oratorio?
Well it is because during its very first public performance before the then King of England, when the chorus swelled at KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, the mere mortal King recognized his relatively lowly status in comparison to the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, of whom the following is said in Philippians 2;9-11.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father
May the God of Heaven hasten the day of his exaltation!
Bill Clinton’s Jesuit professor at Georgetown University, Carrol Quigley, writes that the purpose of the capitalistic forces has been “nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole.”
For anyone who has been asleep – “Money is power.”
Today we see this has materialized.
The banks, especially the big banks will be paying out huge bonuses this week (just before XMAS),and these are mainly privately owned, and nations having great economic problems borrow money from these bastard entities because where else can they go.
Several nations, like the USA, Canada, Sweden and others have such large loans that they hardly know how to remedy the situation (all under the aegis of their CENTRAL BANKS)*.
They have become slaves to the money-barons, as well as a tool in the hands of the power elite, who then can influence and control the nations as they want.
Those who have the money are often important members in one or more of the international, secret societies or are simply JESUITS*.
They rule much of the things going on in the world by finance.
A common currency and the central bank are factors the Europeans and the global elite use, in order to bind up the world.
That is in part due to the process which leads to the dialectic that more and more power is transferred from the national government to the international bureaucracy.
So the same manifestation is going on in the parallel universe of modern Christianity where within the religious field there is a centralization going on – bishops and priests have made their own system, a hierarchical system, where new guidelines are elucidated by the religious power elite, through the big church councils like the World Alliance, the Lutheran World Association, the World Council of Churches and others.
They try to unite through “buzz words” like ecumenic, solidarity, charismatic, mutual divine services, prayer meetings, an ecumenical/Catholic Communion, new theological songbooks and a never-ending list of which most well-meaning Christians have never even heard of…
For a long time they have tried to find common profession of faith, that frequently is not a “thus saith the Lord!”.
Points of belief upon which they cannot agree, even if it is a clear Biblical teaching, they just let it be.
In all this ecumenical furor we witness how the walls of Protestantism are breached and broken down, and little by little give way to Catholicism.
This is not the unity that Jesus talks about. True Christian unity is built on all that Jesus stood for and preached both in His life and His teachings.
Ecumenism and Catholicism are something completely different from Biblical unity.
In reality they are obstacles in the way to TRUE Christian unity, teaching and practice.
Jeremiah ask the question in chapter 5 and the last verse – “But what will you do in the end?”
Something we will all have to ask ourselves!!!
In the uk some of those with financial and political power are declaring they allegiance to the roman catholic church,The church of England (Anglican)don’t know where their are going talking about ordaining women, unable to say that homosexuality is wrong i even think Rowan Williams said he is a druid ,he has even claimed that muslims and Christians pray to the same God and yet we know this to be false because 1 Timothy ch 2 v5-7 states other wise i would like to know what your thoughts are on this especially with regards to muslims faith I may be wrong but it seems to me after they Fridays prays it is time for killing in the name of their god ..bro, D ,GP,TB,ZOE
@Terence, My brother, while much of this ‘Jesuit’ meandering through the halls of the ‘elite’ World Order intelligentsia, and their wicked, evil plans to control EVERYTHING, is true, it will NOT have anything to do with, contrary to your ‘denominational’ persuasion of ‘Sabbath’ keeping, vs Sunday Worship, that the SDA believe, will ultimately be enforced via Blue Law imperative, by the same World Order, Antichrist, End TIME One World Government.
So, Terence, let us get to the bottom of what you are really driving at!
Terrence
Is essentially saying much of what Hal Lindsey say he has witnessed on US University campuses starting in the 60′s.
It has certainly borne fruit the seeds that were sown.
ALAS THE FRUIT HAS A BITTER TASTE!
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@ANGEL*
WERE NOT THOSE DAYS SHORTENED….((just up ahead)
If it were “POSSIBLE” the every ELECT* would be deceived…
What about the rest of humanity?
Lord have mercy!!!
Footnote: read Mark Steyn here.
And for dessert allow me to serve up “Pretrib Rapture – Hidden Facts” and “Pretrib Expert John Walvoord Melts Ice” which Google provided for me – and you!
Victoria