David Cameron, Prime Minister of Great Britain
In the harsh economic times prevailing there is an understandable focus on the need to make every dollar count. In an environment where there is the perception of rising crime, demon possessed children and groups labelled evil because they dare to question the cost benefit of a government delegation journeying Down Under; should we not encourage equal focus on the direction the moral campus of Barbados is pointing? Given the agenda of this government to build out a society first and foremost, a holistic concern about the kind of society we want to build should be par for the course. Why therefore do we allow the narrative to be led mostly by economic considerations?
A benefit to Prime Minister Fruendel Stuart networking with his Commonwealth colleagues last week is that he heard from British Prime Minister David Cameron first hand, if Barbados expects to get financial aid from Britain in the near future – discrimination against homosexuals will have to cease. To quote theGuardian: Britain has threatened countries that ban homosexuality with losing aid payments unless they reform, David Cameron has said. But he conceded that “deep prejudices” in some countries meant the problem would persist for years. In Barbados we are known to be tolerant of homosexuals although our laws say otherwise.
It is fair to say given the leadership position of Great Britain in the world’s leading financial institutions that in the not too distant future lending agencies like the International Monetary Fund, Inter-american Development Bank and World Bank will be adopting a similar position. Other countries will obviously follow Great Britain which will affect bilateral arrangements with those countries.
Over the years the homosexual debate has moved from the affected parties being thought to be afflicted by genetic flaws to a civil rights issue. Despite how some would want to describe individuals who speak out against the homosexual lifestyle or what is aesthetically referred to as an alternative lifestyle, the world remains divided on the issue. In the land of the free the battle continue to rage between the Gay Movement and the Courts. What makes the issue more complex is that the Church, Christians especially, remain divided on the issue.
In the absence of conclusive studies homosexual behaviour must clearly be identified as a lifestyle. The question raised is what next? Bottomline this is not a Black or White issue as some social commentators would make out. It speaks to how as small societies especially we have weaved a value systems over time upon which we have raised our families.
BU read an article recently titled Gays—No Easy Answers; A Christian Response . After reading the article non Christians are forced to ask the question – why would God create a homosexual? In other words, why did God create murderers or for that matter human beings with all the imperfections which we see manifested everyday. Frankly the article has created more questions than answers.
The threat by Prime Minister David Cameron – no doubt other so called first world countries will follow – means that the financial dependent countries of the world will have no choice but to fall in line. Nothing else matters.
No-one has said “accept homosexuals or else”.
But if we’re going to disapprove, we should at least try not to be backward assholes about it.
I’ve always thought that homophobic laws stood in violation of the thoughtful, moderate Barbadian character. We can disapprove without taking refuge in small-minded, counterfactual betrayal of human rights.
@TheDoc
Many continue to question if this is a human rights issue at all.
If there is no empirical evidence to support genetic shortcomings why not treat homosexuality as a malady which has to be attended?
What about all those people who live the alternative lifestyle because they want to and not because it is driven by genetics?
The bottomline is that it will not matter now away way.
Poor countries that want aid will have not choice but to comply and deal with whatever prejudices exist.
Britain has always been one of the biggest hypocrites through out history. They trade with Saudi Arabia going as far as paying bribes to people in that country to secure contracts. When they discovered the illegal dealings they refused to prosecute the wrongdoers because they needed the business. Saudi Arabia executes homosexuals for practicing, what Britain would like to call their human rights, yet we do not hear of any calls from Cameron about boycotts. It was the British who introduced homosexuality to Barbados and now they are bullying us to conform to their warped behaviour.
@Casewell. “It was the British who introduced homosexuality to Barbados…..” Specifics please. When was this, name the parties, provide the political decision by Britain. Otherwise, we will have to assume that you made this up.
Homosexuality (the attraction to the same gender) is never a choice…. people have a choice about what they do about it…
So you can be homosexual and not engage in a homosexual life style i.e. remain celibate, so the choice isn’t if you are homosexual…. it just a choice as to if you have sex or not.
Of all the people who I have talked to that have argued that homosexuality is a choice (i.e. that they can choose which gender they are attracted to) none of them have ever admitted to being attracted to their own gender, so they have never had to make a choice. You can only make a choice is you have two options open to you, so that might be a choice for the bisexuals, but homosexuality is not a choice.
@Casewell. You may find this will assist you to answer my questions. Or based on your own anthropological research, you may decide that they are wrong.
http://africanhistory.about.com/b/2006/11/07/homosexuality-as-part-of-pre-colonial-africa.htm
Whatever. It merely means that we are faced with a present-day dilemma and we must decide, for the good of the country, how we will choose to act. My belief is that Prime Minister Cameron is not taking a pot shot at Barbados and it largely tolerant people and government, but rather at certain Arab and African nations that seek to impose draconian punishments (like death). However, do you think for one second that his electorate or Europe or Commonwealth countries like Australia, Canada and New Zeland would be satisfied to have him merely impose sanctions just for those Arab and African countries? It has to be broader and in keeping with United Kingdom laws.
So, I believe that we can rest easy on the status quo as we have it – for now. But sooner or later, we in Barbados will be required to address the issue. Personally, I believe that we ought to deal with it now, as there is no doubt that our laws do prevent certain timerous elements of a whole section of international society from visiting our shores and leaving behind their foreign currency. As long as these visitors conduct themselves with the decorum and good taste that we would expect of them and as long as they obey our laws, I believe that the criminalization for their private and adult consensual acts are none of our business. In retaining the laws as they stand, we are cutting off our noses to spite our faces and giving in to the very religious lobby that is itself most guilty of the very acts they condemn and, moreover, of acts including children which they spend billions either covering up, or being forced by courts worldwide to pay in compensation.
I rest.
@ Caswell Franklyn
“It was the British who introduced homosexuality to Barbados and now they are bullying us to conform to their warped behaviour.”
while I cannot support your statement I will say it is noteworthy that the African/Caribbean countries where Europeans have a history of settlement there appears to be a prevalence of the practice e.g: South Africa, Zimbabwe, Zanzibar and Barbados
Here is a website which shows bilateral interest by the UK. Now should we examine the human rights records of those countries…
http://www.bilaterals.org/spip.php?article20307
@ Amused I am very amused at your statement:
“…My belief is that Prime Minister Cameron is not taking a pot shot at Barbados and it largely tolerant people and government, but rather at certain Arab and African nations that seek to impose draconian punishments (like death). However, do you think for one second that his electorate or Europe or Commonwealth countries like Australia, Canada and New Zeland would be satisfied to have him merely impose sanctions just for those Arab and African countries? It has to be broader and in keeping with United Kingdom laws…”
Those very European and white commonwealth countries will help him enforce those sanctions. History has establish this to be a fact.
Is it possible that if pro homosexual countries move ahead with hitching conditions to AID suggested by Cameron that this could force a split in the world?
For example we know several African countries have splintered from the Anglican Church as a result.
We shouldn’t treat it as a disease because there’s no evidence that it represents, from a secular perspective, inferior functioning.
We don’t treat left-handedness as a disease any more either.
I disagree with you that we don’t have a choice. We do.
We can sullenly do the minimum that we are forced to do, refusing to even pay attention to available facts, giving up and ceding complete control over our destiny to others; or we can choose our own informed, ethical path and stand as a shining example to others in our position.
Right now, we seem to be sliding along the first path, and angrily resisting any call that we do otherwise.
In a situation where we are failing to deal appropriately with the actual diseases that are assailing us— diabetes, hypertension, HIV— and note, HIV in Barbados is predominantly heterosexually transmitted— why on earth would we seek to break from logical treatment of available evidence, in creating “diseases” where none exist?
My problem with most anti-gay positions is that they often make no sense whatsoever.
Bigotry will do that to one, I guess.
This doesn’t mean that everyone has to agree with homosexual behaviour. But we do just fine in disagreeing with those who get married ten times without feeling the need to ban them by law, flout human rights principles, endanger our international status, and create imaginary diseases to support our disapproval.
Amused, thanks for the link.
I agree with you that secular society should be careful in heedlessly following the lead of religious institutions that have been clearly poor examples; but I do want to note that child abuse is not more common within the Church than outside it.
The problem was not an unusually high incidence, but rather the devastatingly callous behaviour of Church leadership in sheltering molesters and Church image at the expense of children’s safety.
“It was the British who introduced homosexuality to Barbados and now they are bullying us to conform to their warped behaviour.”
Caswell Franklyn
Mr. Franklyn,
Are you actually a trade union leader in Barbados ? Do you seriously expect any intelligent person would want to blame the British for “introducing” homosexuality to Barbados or anywhere else? I have family and very close friends , both male and female , who are homosexuals. Many productive and hardworking Barbadians are homosexuals. Am I to assume that their God-given rights are to be trampled simply because of their sexual preference ?
I asked if you are actually a trade union leader because I would imagine that among your membership there would be gays. With your obvious bias against them , the question is whether you should be taking their dues because you apparently consider homosexuality to be “warped behaviour”.
I am terribly disappointed that a citizen of your intelligence and obvious concern for matters concerning our island state, has taken such a position.
Could not agree with you more Caswell.
@ caswell:
“When they discovered the illegal dealings they refused to prosecute the wrongdoers because they needed the business. Saudi Arabia executes homosexuals for practicing, what Britain would like to call their human rights, yet we do not hear of any calls from Cameron about boycotts.”
Your statement clearly suggests that Britain is the queen in the art of double standards and hypocrisy. But it is from the “mother country” that Bajans have inherited this art of deception and subterfuge you so ardently observe and comment on it regularly. But remember most of these countries that Britain turns a blind eye to their homophobic and other basic human rights violations are oil rich or endowed with resources needed by the Western economies.
Barbados has long lost its status as being a sparkling jewel in the crown of King sugar. We rely very heavily on Britain and its Western allies for the survival of our two main economic generators- tourism and other international business (FDI). On the other hand we can always tell Britain “to sod off and that we Bajans don’t need your advice about our laws and moreover, Mr. Cameron can go and put his mouth where the monkey stuff the nuts”. And then we will be independent and chant from the top of Mount Stinkeroo– “those fields and hills beyond recall are now our very own, “writing our name on history’s page while being strict guardians of our heritage, and firm craftsmen of our fate”.
The same way we are about to change the law regarding automatic death sentencing for persons found guilty of murder we can simultaneously show our ability to shed our barbaric skin and remove the scales of intolerance and bigotry by reviewing the laws governing sexual acts between consenting adults. As it currently stands, the law does not cover sexual relations between two or more women. This is in itself discriminatory and goes against every human rights convention ratified by Barbados. Either adjust the law to make it a criminal offence applicable to both sexes and otherwise or remove the offending (in violation of human right conventions) legislation altogether. Any sexual acts involving force, violence, or threat to a person’s health and wellbeing can be dealt with under provisions set out in other criminal legislation.
I say Kill all of the Homosexuals (mandatory death sentence) and kill of the Autistic people (like Chris Halsall), because they have a choice.
I say Save all of the impulsive people, save all of the knee jerks, and save all of the bigots, because they do NOT have a choice.
By and way, save all of the Christians too, for they have NO choice as well … no?
Why does it matter what somebodies sexual preferences are..surely that is a private matter between the parties concerned ..and no concern of any body else ..consenting adults should be free to do as they wish…
If Britain dont want to give its money to certain countries who do not comply with their requirements …Surely that is up to them..
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The Homosexual agenda worldwide, especially in America, Canada, and England, and other EU nations, is a devious, sinister,evil, Godless attack on ‘The Family’ unit, as Almighty God created it, it is far more wicked, than most realize, and it IS* the ultimate abomination, that will bring down God’s judgement on any society, especially when given official sanction by the State government!
“In The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, author Edward Gibbon discusses several reasons for the great civilization’s demise, including the undermining of the dignity and sanctity of the home and the decay of religion.”
“America has been compared to the Roman Empire in secular and religious ways. Regardless of its ultimate legacy, America is a civilization on the decline. A couple of centuries from now (or sooner), someone will write a book called The Decline and Fall of the American Empire.”
“Historians will lament the loss of a once-great civilization that brought prosperity to the world and tried to make it safer for democracy. The glory that was the United States will lay in ruins, brought down not by terrorists but its own debauchery and complacency.”
“Even before cultural decay was apparent, a man named Dr. Carle Zimmerman wrote a book called Family and Civilization in 1947. He reviewed the decline of multiple civilizations and empires and found eight patterns of domestic behavior that signaled the decline of a civilization.”
[Update (9/14/05): For some reason the eight factors weren't included in the original. Added today.]
1) Marriage loses its sacredness; is frequently broken by divorce.
2) Traditional meaning of the marriage ceremony is lost.
3) Feminist movements abound.
4) Increased public disrespect for parents and authority in general.
5) Acceleration of juvenile delinquency, promiscuity, and rebellion.
6) Refusal of people with traditional marriages to accept family responsibilities.
7) Growing desire for and acceptance of adultery.
Increasing interest in and spread of sexual perversions and sex-related crimes.
Reads like today’s newspaper, doesn’t it?
“Who can say when the decline of America began? We know that when constructive, productive, traditional values lose their dominance and perversion seeps into the mainstream, cultural rot has begun. For example, our children are lectured, in taxpayer-supported schools, that the deviancy of homosexuality is normal.”
“In the midst of this chaos, homosexuals are now attempting to destroy the foundation of the family by rendering the concept of marriage meaningless.”
“One of the greatest tragedies in our history isn’t slavery but the breakdown of the family, an indicator of a declining civilization. Anyone with the ability to reason knows the optimum environment to properly civilize a child, which takes tremendous sacrifice and effort, is a two-parent family.”
“As the moral fiber of our society began to break down, the stigma of illegitimacy was weakened. As a result, out-of-wedlock pregnancy is no longer considered shameful, and children are not cautioned about its damaging consequences.”
“The connection between broken, female-headed homes and delinquency, crime, sexual promiscuity and sociopathic behavior is too obvious to ignore or blame on “racism.”
“For instance, fatherless boys are twice as likely to end up in jail even when race and income are held constant. Regardless of income and race, there is a strong correlation between the number of single parent families in a community and the crime rate. Seventy percent of all prison and reform school inmates come from fatherless homes.”
“Homosexuals claim they’re not out to destroy marriage. So why not be satisfied with civil ceremonies? Because they want to make a mockery of the traditional family and the sanctity of marriage. Their hostility toward Christian principles is apparent.”
“But it’s not just Christians who believe homosexuality is morally wrong. All the world’s major religions have always viewed homosexual behavior as wrong, including the “peaceful” religion of Islam. Practicing homosexuals in Muslim countries are often killed.”
“The Bible is clear that marriage between a man and woman is the only context for the sexual relationship. The whole Bible — Old and New Testament — views adultery, sex before marriage and homosexual activity as unequivocally wrong.”
“I urge those who profess Christ, yet condone homosexual “marriage”, to dust off their Bibles and take a look. God warns, “Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, He gave them over to a depraved mind…Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.” (Romans 1:28 and 32) God’s judgment will be swift, perfect and just.”
“I encourage Bible-believing Christians (as opposed to nominal Christians) to share God’s truth with a fallen world. Every moment we remain silent, we participate in America’s decline. Silence is powerful. Remember the 43 million babies “legally” murdered since Roe v. Wade?”
The Decline of a Nation
Kerby Anderson
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Introduction
Doomsayers for many years have been predicting the decline and fall of this country. And while many of these short-term predictions have proved inaccurate, there is some truth to the prevailing belief that this nation will fall like every great nation before it. Apart from revival and reformation, this nation is destined to decline.
The problem with many of these doomsayers is that while their prognosis is right, their diagnosis is wrong. Yes, the future is bleak. But our problem is not ultimately political, economic, or social, as these doomsayers would have us believe. The decline of this nation (just as the decline of every other nation) is due to spiritual factors. The political, economic, and social problems we encounter are the symptoms of the spiritual deterioration of a nation.
Just as there are spiritual principles that influence the life of an individual, so there are political-spiritual principles that govern the life of a nation. And though we may feel that these are obscure and difficult to discern, in reality they are visible to anyone willing to look at the record of history.
Our problem is that we don’t really learn from history. George Santayana said that “those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.” The philosopher Hegel said, “What experience and history teach us is this: that people and government never have learned anything from history or acted on principles deduced from it.” Or as Winston Churchill said, “The one thing we have learned from history is that we don’t learn from history.”
The refrains that are often heard are: “It can’t happen here,” or “Our country is different.” But the reality is that nations are born and die just like individuals. Their longevity may exceed the average person’s lifespan. But the reality is that nations also die.
History has shown that the average age of the great civilizations is around two hundred years. Countries like Great Britain exceed the average while other countries like the United States are just now reaching the average age.
Each of the great civilizations in the world passed through a series of stages from their birth to their decline to their death. Historians have listed these in ten stages.
The first stage moves from bondage to spiritual faith. The second from spiritual faith to great courage. The third stage moves from great courage to liberty. The fourth stage moves from liberty to abundance. The fifth stage moves from abundance to selfishness. The sixth stage moves from selfishness to complacency. The seventh stage moves from complacency to apathy. The eighth stage moves from apathy to moral decay. The ninth stage moves from moral decay to dependence. And the tenth and last stage moves from dependence to bondage.
These are the ten stages through which the great civilizations have gone. Notice the progression from bondage to liberty back to bondage. The first generation throws off the shackles of bondage only to have a later generation through apathy and indifference allow itself to once again be enslaved.
This is the direction this and every other country is headed. The book of Judges shows that the nation of Israel passed through these same stages. And this country will do the same unless revival and reformation break out and reverse the inexorable decline of this nation.
The Cycle of Nations
In his book The End of Christendom, Malcolm Muggeridge makes this powerful observation. He says:
I conclude that civilizations, like every other human creation, wax and wane. By the nature of the case there can never be a lasting civilization anymore than there can be a lasting spring or lasting happiness in an individual life or a lasting stability in a society. It’s in the nature of man and of all that he constructs to perish, and it must ever be so. The world is full of the debris of past civilizations and others are known to have existed which have not left any debris behind them but have just disappeared.
He goes on to say that
…whatever their ideology may be, from the Garden of Eden onwards such dreams of lasting felicity have cropped up and no doubt always will. But the realization is impossible for the simple reason that a fallen creature like man though capable of conceiving perfection and aspiring after it, is in himself and in his works forever imperfect. Thus he is fated to exist in the no man’s land between the perfection he can conceive and the imperfection that characterizes his own nature and everything he does.
Nations rise and nations fall. Every nation has followed this progression from bondage to bondage. The nations of this century will be no different. But let us not accept the Marxist notion that these are fixed and intractable laws of history. Christians can point to unusual times when revival has redirected the inexorable decline of a civilization. In the Old Testament, Jonah saw revival postpone God’s judgment of Nineveh. In the sixteenth century, Martin Luther and John Calvin saw a Protestant Reformation transform Europe. And even in the history of the United States the First and Second Great Awakenings changed individuals and our society.
But apart from God’s intervention, nations will decline and eventually pass off the scene. Much of the Old Testament records the history of the nation of Israel. It passed through these same stages and so will every country in the world.
As Christians we must recognize that nations will rise and fall just as individuals will be born and die. Our civilization will not last indefinitely, but will eventually pass off the scene. Only God’s Word endures forever. We should not put our trust in the things of this world for they are destined for destruction. Instead, we should put our faith in God and His word.
The Decline of the Family
Nations most often fall from within, and this fall is usually due to a decline in the moral and spiritual values in the family. As families go, so goes a nation.
This has been the main premise of thinkers from British historian J. D. Unwin to Russian sociologist Pitirim Sorokin who have studied civilizations that have collapsed. In his book Our Dance Has Turned to Death, Carl Wilson identifies the common pattern of family decline in ancient Greece and the Roman Empire. Notice how these seven stages parallel what is happening in our nation today. In the first stage, men ceased to lead their families in worship. Spiritual and moral development became secondary. Their view of God became naturalistic, mathematical, and mechanical.
In the second stage, men selfishly neglected care of their wives and children to pursue material wealth, political and military power, and cultural development. Material values began to dominate thought, and the man began to exalt his own role as an individual. The third stage involved a change in men’s sexual values. Men who were preoccupied with business or war either neglected their wives sexually or became involved with lower-class women or with homosexuality. Ultimately, a double standard of morality developed. The fourth stage affected women. The role of women at home and with children lost value and status. Women were neglected and their roles devalued. Soon they revolted to gain access to material wealth and also freedom for sex outside marriage. Women also began to minimize having sex relations to conceive children, and the emphasis became sex for pleasure. Marriage laws were changed to make divorce easy.
In the fifth stage, husbands and wives competed against each other for money, home leadership, and the affection of their children. This resulted in hostility and frustration and possible homosexuality in the children. Many marriages ended in separation and divorce.
Many children were unwanted, aborted, abandoned, molested, and undisciplined. The more undisciplined children became, the more social pressure there was not to have children. The breakdown of the home produced anarchy.
In the sixth stage, selfish individualism grew and carried over into society, fragmenting it into smaller and smaller group loyalties. The nation was thus weakened by internal conflict. The decrease in the birthrate produced an older population that had less ability to defend itself and less will to do so, making the nation more vulnerable to its enemies.
Finally, unbelief in God became more complete, parental authoritydiminished, and ethical and moral principles disappeared, affecting the economy and government. Thus, by internal weakness and fragmentation the societies came apart. There was no way to save them except by a dictator who arose from within or by barbarians who invaded from without.
Although this is an ancient pattern of decline found in Greece and Rome, it is relevant today. Families are the foundation of a nation. When the family crumbles, the nation falls because nations are built upon family units. They are the true driving social force. A nation will not be strong unless the family is strong. That was true in the ancient world and it is true today.
Social commentator Michael Novak, writing on the importance of the family, said:
One unforgettable law has been learned through all the disasters and injustices of the last thousand years: If things go well with the family, life is worth living; when the family falters, life falls apart.
The Decline of Values
There are many factors in the decline of a nation. Certainly a major one is the breakdown of the family. But another potent but less perceptible force is the power of ideas.
False ideas are bringing about the decline of western culture. Carl F. H. Henry, in his book Twilight of a Great Civilization, says:
There is a new barbarism. This barbarism has embraced a new pagan mentality . . . not simply rejecting the legacy of the West, but embracing a new pagan mentality where there is no fixed truth.
Today we live in a world where biblical absolutes are ignored, and unless we return to these biblical truths, our nation will continue to decline.
To understand how we have arrived at this appalling situation, we need to go back a century and look at the influence of five intellectual leaders who still profoundly affect the modern world. The first person is Charles Darwin (1809-1882). In 1859 he published The Origin of Species and later published The Descent of Man. His writings blurred the distinction between humans and animals since he taught that we are merely part of an evolutionary progression from lower forms of life. Darwinism, as it came to be called, not only affected the field of biology, but became the foundation for the fields of anthropology, sociology, and psychology.
The second person is Karl Marx (1818-1883). He and Friedrich Engels published the Communist Manifesto around 1850, and Marx devoted his life to writing about the demise of capitalism and coming of communism. He understood the importance of ideas. Marx once wrote: “Give me twenty-six lead soldiers and I will conquer the world.” The twenty-six lead soldiers are the keys on a typewriter. The pervasive influence of communism in the world today is testimony to the truthfulness of his statement.
The third person is Julius Wellhausen (1844-1918). Although he may not be as well known as the other two men mentioned, his influence was just as profound. He was a German Bible scholar whose theory on the dating of the Pentateuch completely transformed Old Testament studies.
Wellhausen argued that the early books of the Bible were not put together by Moses but were gathered together many centuries later by several different men called redactors who wove various strands together. He and his disciples established an anti-supernatural approach to the scriptures which is influential in most denominational seminaries today.
The fourth person is Sigmund Freud (1856-1939). He merely took the logical implications of what Darwin was doing in biology and applied them to what today is known as psychology and psychiatry. Freud argued that humans are basically autonomous and therefore do not need to know God. Instead, we need to know and understand ourselves since our problems stem from those secret things that have evolved in our lives from our past.
A fifth person is John Dewey (1859-1952). He is the founder of modern education and published his first work, The School and Society, in 1899. John Dewey was also one of the co-signers of the Humanist Manifesto in 1933.
Dewey, like Darwin and Freud, believed that humans are autonomous. They don’t need to have an authority above them but can evolve their our own system of education. Thus the very foundation of modern education is anti-supernatural.
Ideas have consequences, and false ideas can bring down a nation. The theories of these five men are having devastating consequences in our nation and world. Unless we return to biblical absolutes, our nation will continue its decline.
Spiritual Decline
The decline and fall of nations is usually due to internal factors rather than external threats. Even though some may have fallen to barbarians, their demise ultimately came because of moral and spiritual weakness which manifested itself as military weakness. Historians have listed the stages in the decline of a nation. These should not be too surprising to any student of the Old Testament. The stages of decline parallel the stages through which the nation of Israel passed.
But neither should they surprise a student of the New Testament. In the opening chapter of the Apostle Paul’s letter to the church in Rome, he traces a similar progression. In fact, Romans 1 shows the decline of a civilization from a societal perspective. Looking at the Hellenistic world of his time, he reflects on the progression of sin in a nation.
The first stage is when people turn from God to idolatry. Although God has revealed Himself in nature to all men so that they are without excuse, they nevertheless worship the creation instead of the Creator. This is idolatry. In the past, this took the form of actual idol worship. In our day, it takes the form of the worship of money or the worship of self. In either case, it is idolatry. A further example of this is a general lack of thankfulness. Although they have been prospered by God, they are ungrateful. And when they are no longer looking to God for wisdom and guidance, they become vain and futile and empty in their imaginations. They no longer honor God, so their foolish hearts become darkened. In professing to be wise, they have become fools.
The second stage is when men and women exchange their natural use of sex for unnatural uses. Here the Apostle Paul says those four sobering words, “God gave them over.” In a society where lust- driven sensuality and sexual perversion dominate, God gives them over to their degrading passions and unnatural desires. The third stage is anarchy. Once a society has rejected God’s revelation, it is on its own. Moral and social anarchy is the natural result. At this point God has given the sinners over to a depraved mind and so they do things which are not proper. This results in a society which is without understanding,untrustworthy, unloving, and unmerciful.
The final stage is judgment. God’s judgment rightly falls upon those who practice idolatry and immorality. Certainly an eternal judgment awaits those who are guilty, but a social judgment occurs when God gives a nation over to its sinful practices.
Notice that this progression is not unique to the Hellenistic world the Apostle Paul was living in. The progression from idolatry to sexual perversion to anarchy to judgment is found throughout history.
In the times of Noah and Lot, there was the idolatry of greed, there was sexual perversion and promiscuity, there was anarchy and violence, and finally there was judgment. Throughout the history of the nation of Israel there was idolatry, sexual perversion, anarchy (in which each person did what was right in his own eyes), and finally judgment.
This progression happened throughout the Bible and to Greece, to Persia, to Babylon, and to Rome. And if it happened to these nations, then it can happen today.Unless we return to God’s principles, decline and destruction are inevitable.
© 1991 Probe Ministries
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@Stephen Stewart
Do you appreciate that the issue is bigger that what homosexuals do in their bedrooms?
@ David
“Is it possible that if pro homosexual countries move ahead with hitching conditions to AID suggested by Cameron that this could force a split in the world?
For example we know several African countries have splintered from the Anglican Church as a result.”
Fair observation. There are loud voices in Roman Catholic Africa calling-out for an Auxiliary Priesthood and many priest and Nuns are none celibates by admission; some (albeit) covertly. For African Traditional belief is that ‘God had placed human on the Earth to procreate’ and considers the childless adult most unfortunate and disfavoured…it a bad stigma.
however this homosexual ‘thing’ is tied-up with European long-time obsessions with African people’s procreation and population. There’s a history of Birth Control Programs in Africa conducted by Europeans and a MASSIVE propaganda program about population explosion in Africa. the truth is: Africa is very underpopulated and compared to Europe per land mass at-that.
of-course European major fears is that they will be genetically removed from existence by people of colour and especially so because of their sexual practices and ‘nuclear family policy’ of the eighties and the ‘professional-woman’ gender issues etc of today.
The REAL issue is about Europeans having a LARGESS of the world resources. Europeans represent less than 30% of the world population yet consumes more than 65% of the world resources
“But our problem is NOT* ultimately political, economic, or social, as these doomsayers would have us believe. The decline of this nation (just as the decline of every other nation) is due to SPIRITUAL* factors. The political, economic, and social problems we encounter are the SYMPTOMS* of the spiritual deterioration* of a nation.” Emphasis added.
The above quote, taken from the article I cited earlier, IS* essentially what I have LABOURED to say on BU over the last few years, THAT* our real problem is NOT* political, economic, or social in nature, BUT* ARE* SYMPTOMS* of a much DEEPER underlying SPIRITUAL* malady, we have/are TURNING away from the Only ONE* who blessed us in the first place, Almighty God, through His SON* ( NOT sun!) Jesus Christ, and:
“UNLESS the LORD BUILDS the house, ( Family, (Father & Mother, NOT Adam & Steve, and the NATION) They labor in VAIN who (seek) to build it. UNLESS the LORD guards the city, The watchman stays awake in VAIN.”
(Psalm 127: 1 Emphasis added).
IF, our government has the courage, to TELL David Cameron, and the World Order elite RATS, “…GO TO HELL…” with you EVIL Homosexual agenda, AND, if we as a people, would RETURN to Almighty God, and Jesus Christ, in sincere REPENTANCE, we and GOD are a MAJORITY, let me break it down further, ONE Man and God, IS* a majority, One Family and God, IS* a majority, NOT David Cameron, the IMF, World Bank, or any other wicked agency of EVIL men!
If God be for YOU, (I.e., man, woman, or Nation) who can be against you? No one!
REPENT!, REPENT!, Barbados, and see the Glory of God shine on this little Island, OR, be like the other weak nations, and FEEL His ultimate Warth!
It will take some ‘guts’ from our leaders to build our society the way we* want. Do we have the leadership among us to state our position unequivocally?
Should be “…and FEEL His ultimate WRATH!”
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This lifestyle was in the beginning and so shall it be to the end. What is the fuss-why continue to harp on the issue? It’s about time we stop beating a dead horse – this is something that we can’t turn back the hand of time. It will never change!
With Mia Motley being the obvious ‘Universalists’ that she appears to be, Owen Arthur, well, he seems to straddle the fence, ‘spiritually’ and F. Stuart, saying, that he is still ‘praying’ for the peaceful ‘repose’ of Thompson’s soul, what UNBIBLICAL nonsense, Thompson is either in Heaven, or Hell, either way, NO prayer can help, or is needed!
Only, then, can a serious concerted, RETURN, by many to God Almighty, and Jesus Christ, avert the inevitable consequences our Nation is facing!
@Guest
So we throw our hands in the air even though we believe the kind of society we want to build is being threatened? Do similar you are saying because murder and wars have been around since Adam was a lad?
@ Zoe “The Bible is clear that marriage between a man and woman is the only context for the sexual relationship.”
The Bible says a lot of things that heed is not given to. Let us not be selective. Should it not be all or none?
Interesting, the pastor at the church where I go announced Sunday that he was offered a transfer to another church. That church has a following of gays.
He says he would not discriminate against them; yet, he said he just could not married two of the same sex. Go figga. In fairness to him, he does not push religion or the Bible down anyone’s throa.
correction… throa=throat
What some one does in their own Privacy is nothing to do with any one else..How would you like it if some one says to you you cant do that with your wife /husband …what my wife and I do in the bedroom is nobody elses business and the same applys to Gay/Lesbian people …people should be allowed to live their lives in a way they feel fit to and not be vilified just cos they dont CONFORM to a narrow minded set of people …Peadophiles and child abusers are of more concern to me ..consenting Adults ..what the hell has it got to do with me..??
@ Zoe:
“Stuart, saying, that he is still ‘praying’ for the peaceful ‘repose’ of Thompson’s soul, what UNBIBLICAL nonsense, Thompson is either in Heaven, or Hell, either way, NO prayer can help, or is needed!”
So you must either go to heaven or hell! No in-between or limbo for humans! That means that hell must be overpopulated by now, given the billions of humans who have walked this earth but not in the shoes designed by Jesus.
So Zoe, tell us: what about LP of CLICO repute? Where would he be going? The same place as Thompson? Then a lot of people would be protecting their asse(t)s in hell just like the policyholders are catching theirs on earth after being taken for a ride.
David why is the issue big ..Cos a lot of nosy people want to involve themselves in OTHER peoples business and cant even run their own lives ..OR is it what the Bible says..?
@ All. Please be advised and proceed accordingly.
*The Family*
*A Proclamation to the World*
The First Presidency and Council of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
“We, the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.
All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.
In the premortal realm, spirit sons and daughters knew and worshipped God as their Eternal Father and accepted His plan by which His children could obtain a physical body and gain earthly experience to progress toward perfection and ultimately realize their divine destiny as heirs of eternal life. The divine plan of happiness enables family relationships to be perpetuated beyond the grave. Sacred ordinances and covenants available in holy temples make it possible for individuals to return to the presence of God and for families to be united eternally.
The first commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.
We declare the means by which mortal life is created to be divinely appointed. We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God’s eternal plan.
Husband and wife have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children. “Children are an heritage of the Lord” (Psalm 127:3). Parents have a sacred duty to rear their children in love and righteousness, to provide for their physical and spiritual needs, and to teach them to love and serve one another, observe the commandments of God, and be law-abiding citizens wherever they live. Husbands and wives—mothers and fathers—will be held accountable before God for the discharge of these obligations.
The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness, respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities. By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed.
We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.
We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society.”
This proclamation was read by President Gordon B. Hinckley as part of his message at the General Relief Society Meeting held September 23, 1995, in Salt Lake City, Utah.
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A suggestion to the Nation newspaper, commission a survey to establish how bajans empirically feel about the issue of homosexuality. Anecdotal BU knows the answer already. Charge $2 for the info to pay for it.
Barbadians have been labeled xenophobic and some will rejoice to add homophobic.
@ David:
It would be interesting to see from such a survey the response to the following question that can be posed to those polled:
“Do you think that the removal on the law on ‘buggery” from the statute books would lead to an upsurge in homosexuality in Barbados?”
Then we will see how much Bajans have benefited from free universal education.
There is a conference on Autism coming to Barbados soon. Some people believe that autism is unatural … my my, Einstein, if you can hear me, you should have been hospitalized for being different …!
David
I say this with a kind and humble heart… CHRISTIANS are the problem, not gays. I care nothing for the opinions of majorities, hey tell you what, next time you have a medical condition go seek a “majority” opinion
David if you remove the cut and past comments of the likes of Zoe you would save a tremendous amount of storage on the wordpress servers… shoot he has taken up two thirds of the space on this thread alone … and he did it by choice!
@BAFBFP
There is logic in your comment if only human behaviour was predicated on logic only*.
Unfortunately a lot of these so-called “poor aided countries” need to get themselves together and realise that it is ‘them’ who is AIDING, and have always been aiding’ countries like Britain.
“So you must either go to heaven or hell! No in-between or limbo for humans! That means that hell must be overpopulated by now, given the billions of humans who have walked this earth but not in the shoes designed by Jesus.”
“So Zoe, tell us: what about LP of CLICO repute? Where would he be going? The same place as Thompson?”
Annaki, Sorry my friend, NO limbo, pergutory, or second chance after Death! “And as it IS* appointed for men to DIE once, but after THIS, the JUDGMENT, So Christ was OFFERED* once to bear the SINS of many. To those who eagerly wait for HIM, He WILL appear a second time, apart from sin, for Salvation.” ( Heb. 9:27 Emphasis added)
I cannot answer your other question re CLICO, and its personel, its entirely up to them, like ALL others, to either repent, and be Saved, or reject God’s universal offer of forgivness, and Salvation, in Christ Jesus, and be lost forever!
BTW, be assured, Hell’s capacity, like Heavens, can accomodate any number who desire to go to either eternal destiny!
Like the Old, toothless Drunk, who walked into a small church, where a Firey Preacher was delivering a sermon on Hell and damnation, mentioned about ‘weaping and nashing of TEETH’ to which the Old drunk said, ‘I ain’t got NO teeth’ the Preached retorted, ‘They will BE PROVIDED!”
@ Preacher ZOE
So tell muh, wuh bout dem poor souls who din had nuh chance hear de gospel before dem uo and ded and get planted?
You still got a lot to learn Preacher ZOE!
@ Preacher ZOE
Tell me, sir, why do I get the impression that you are so full of hate and self-guilt? You never heard about the doctrine of “forgiveness”? Btw, forgiveness has to start with forgiving of self. Simply because if you can’t find it within you to forgive yourself then how for heaven’s sake would you be able to forgive another?
@BU.David: “A suggestion to the Nation newspaper, commission a survey to establish how bajans empirically feel about the issue of homosexuality.
At the end of the day, the issue has to do with the Religious wishing to procreate more Believers who will support them.
We’re at 7 billion Humans on Planet Earth, and counting. And the Earth can’t support that many Humans.
But let us breed a few more humans who are on our side.
Does anyone notice this Does Not Scale?
It’s an “arms” race; unlike any seen before.
“7 billion humans on planet Earth … Let us breed a few more humans who are on our side.”
So you know what, let us start eating Christians… now this would be the classic example of a problem becoming its own solution …!
@BAFBFP: “So you know what, let us start eating Christians… now this would be the classic example of a problem becoming its own solution …!
Here’s another suggestion…
Why can all mankind not refrain from eating themselves?
We all share an ecosystem, after all.
Almost certainly the British did not introduce homosexuality to Barbados, but the British certainly introduced the harsh homosexual laws that still sit on our stature books.
When will we get the courage to throw out those foolish old colonial laws?
Where is the evidence to suggest that the legalization of buggery and prostitution will in any way reduce the incidence of hiv/aids within these groups? Are they really discriminated against in Barbados from accessing health care or functioning in whatever in any capacity they chose? I have heard the arguments about discrimination but I have seen no evidence of such.
I can find no evidence from before the colonial period that those West African peoples from whom we came executed people or punished homosexuals.
@ de hood, You presumptuous Mormonized fool!
What Does The Bible Say About Judgment? Not the COUNTERFEIT revelation of the Book of Mormon!
“What does the Bible say about judgment? Will God actually judge all of us one day? If so, what will that be like? After all, how can a loving God pass judgment on someone else? Isn’t that a contradiction? Those are the kinds of questions that many people ask about Christianity. They are extremely important questions, because if all of us will be held accountable for our actions by God someday that has huge implications. If we are not ever going to be held accountable for our actions on earth, then there is not really anything keeping us from doing whatever we want – or at least whatever we can get away with. However, if the God of the universe is going to hold us accountable for what we do on earth, then that puts an entirely different spin on things. But would it be fair for God to judge us like that?”
“That is a good question. After all, why doesn’t God just “accept” everyone just the way they are instead of judging them?”
Let’s explore that for a moment.
“Imagine a society where the law enforcement authorities caught the criminals every single time. However, after apprehending the criminals, the justice system of that society never punished them and immediately released those criminals back into society”.
What kind of society would that be?
Would that be a just society?
Would that be fair?
The truth is that it would be horribly unjust.
“The rapists, the child molesters, the murderers and the thieves would run rampant in society not having to worry about any kind of punishment. After all, if they did get caught they would just be immediately released anyway.”
Would you want to live in such a society?
What would you call a justice system that produced those kinds of results?
“Of course you would say that such a justice system and such a society are unjust and do not deserve to continue.”
“But the sad thing is that a very large percentage of Christians believe that God is just like that justice system that never, ever punished the criminals.”
“It is a fact that many Christians today believe that God would never punish anyone for anything.”
“But they are completely and totally wrong according to the Bible.”
“The truth is that God is a God of perfect love AND of perfect justice, and according to the Bible the judgment of God is very real.”
In 2 Timothy 4:1, the apostle Paul tells us that God will indeed judge us all….
“In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead”
“In 1 Peter 4:5, the apostle Peter also tells us that we will have to give an account of what we have done to God….”
“But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.”
Romans 14:10 tells us that we will all stand before the judgment seat of God one day….
“You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat.”
Hebrews 13:4 explains that God will judge all those who have sinned sexually….
“Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.”
In Revelation 11:18 we are told that God will judge and destroy those who destroy the earth….
“The nations were angry; and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great— and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”
In Hebrews 9:27 we are instructed that we only get one life (no reincarnation) and after this life we will face the judgment of God….
“Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment”
At this point many would be tempted to argue that the message of Jesus was all about peace and love.
That is true.
Jesus loves all of us so much that He was willing to die on the cross for us.
But that does not make Him unjust.
The truth is that there was NOBODY in the Scriptures who talked about hell more than Jesus did. Just consider the following examples….
Matthew 10:28
“Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.”
Luke 12:5
“But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.”
Matthew 5:29
“If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.”
Matthew 23:33
“You SNAKES! You brood of VIPERS! How will you escape being condemned to hell?”
There is no getting around the fact that the Bible says that we will all face judgment someday.
Are you ready for that day?
In John 3:36 it tells us this….
“Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.”
Without Jesus, you will be facing the judgment of God by yourself.
You will be fully accountable for your own unrighteous acts.
In fact, in 2 Peter 2:9, the Scriptures tells us that the unrighteous are experiencing punishment in hell right now as they continue to be held for the day of final judgment….
“if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.”
The Bible says that without Jesus to pay for our sins, we remain under the wrath of God.
God loves us very much, but he is also completely and perfectly just.
Nothing is going to change that.
In 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10, we see both the PERFECT LOVE and thePERFECT JUSTICE of God on display….
God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.
The truth is that most people do not want to hear about the justice of God.
Most people simply do not want to hear that judgment is coming.
In fact, most people today sound very much like the people that the apostle Paul was describing in Romans 2:5…..
But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.
But we will be held accountable.
If you go out and murder someone and the authorities catch you, what is going to happen?
They are going to hold you accountable.
What will happen if you break God’s laws?
He will hold you accountable.
The people who foolishly think that God would never judge them are in for a very rude surprise according to the Bible.
At the very end of the Bible we read about the final judgment of humanity, and it is a very sobering message for us all….
Revelation 20:11-15
“Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”
That is a very heavy piece of Scripture, but it is the stone cold truth.
So is there any good news?
Yes – in fact there is some great news.
While it is very true that we have all broken God’s laws, the truth is that God loved us so much that He sent His only Son to die on the cross to pay the penalty for OUR sins.
In 1 John 5:11-13, we read that whoever receives Jesus as Savior and Lord will not face an eternity away from God. God wants to give us eternal life, and it is free for whoever has the Son….
“And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.”
The article above does not have to be bad news for you.
Yes, we are all guilty before God, but the love of God is so great that He willingly paid for our lawbreaking.
Jesus paid for the sins of all mankind when He died on the cross.
Jesus made His sacrifice so that you could be forgiven and could have eternal life.
If you will ask Jesus into your life today, your sins will be forgiven and you will be given eternal life.
If you ask Jesus into your life today, then when the day of judgment comes you can have confidence knowing that your sins are forgiven.
Those who do not have Jesus will be held accountable for their own sins. That is why we must get the message of the gospel to as many people as possible while there is still time.
@Random Thoughts: “Almost certainly the British did not introduce homosexuality to Barbados, but the British certainly introduced the harsh homosexual laws that still sit on our stature books.
And what is kinda strange is it perfectly legal for a man to give another man a “blow job” or a “hand job”, but it is illegal for a man to sodomize his wife.
As Jesus once said, the Law is an Ass….
Response to the Mormon Gospel
“Is this good news? Is this even doable? How can such a teaching you have to keep the law, repent of every sin, and never commit them again in order to be saved, be good news? It isn’t! What a heavy yoke the Mormon must carry in order to have his sins forgiven. Jesus said, “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29 “Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart; and you shall find rest for your souls,” (Matt. 11:28-29). If you come to Jesus, you’re supposed to have rest. Is “rest” trying to keep all the law in order to be forgiven? No, it isn’t. Again, this doesn’t mean it is okay to sin (Rom. 6:1-2), but it does mean that we rest, we trust completely in what Jesus did on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24), how he fulfilled all the Law (1 Pet. 2:22), and we trust by faith in what he did (Rom. 5:1). That is the only way to obey Christ’s command to rest in him.”
“Paul has a warning to those who think that they can combine works with grace.”
“For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them,” (Gal. 3:10).
James tells us the same thing
“For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all,” (James 2:10).
Jesus condemns those who combine faith and works.
“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness,’” (Matt. 7:22-23).
“Why would Jesus condemn people who believed in him and did good works in his name? Jesus called them sinners and told them to get away from him. Why? Simple, because those people were appealing to their salvation based on their faith and their works. To do that is to say that Jesus didn’t finish everything that was necessary for our salvation. It means that we have to do something. It means we add our works to Christ’s work. This is an insult to God! Our works are filthy rags before God (Isaiah 64:6). This is why salvation is by faith, not by faith and works.”
•John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.”
•Rom. 3:28, “For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.”
•Rom. 4:5, “But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,”
•Rom. 9:30, “What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith.”
•Rom. 11:6, “But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.”
“The Mormons have an impossible gospel that they cannot live up to, that will lead them to be accursed of Jesus, and which violates justification by faith. Can the Mormon be saved following the Mormon gospel? No, he cannot. He needs to find rest in Jesus by being justified by faith, not faith and works.”
Sorry, de hood, NO ONE can work for or EARN Salvation! Why not?
“For by GRACE (unmeritted FAVOR!) you have been SAVED through FAITH, and that NOT* of YOURSELVES, it IS* the GIFT* of God, NOT of WORKS, lest anyone should BOAST.” ( Eph. 2:8-9 Emphasis added).
Christopher Halsall | November 1, 2011 at 6:53 PM |
“Here’s another suggestion… Why can all mankind not refrain from eating themselves?”
NO NO NO! You have purposely missed the point. I have given a reason for the procreation as Christians would have it. I think the idea is brilliant …! It makes them useful being after all ..
Quoting Zoe “Zoe | November 1, 2011 at 9:51 AM | The Homosexual agenda worldwide, especially in America, Canada, and England, and other EU nations, is a devious, sinister,evil, Godless attack on ‘The Family’ unit, as Almighty God created it”
Dear Zoe As a “Christian” I am sure that you know that the truth is that most family units which break down, do so without any help at all from homosexuals. Family units break down because of plain old heterosexual selfishness (not of course that there are not selfish homosexuals as well)
@BAFBFP: “I have given a reason for the procreation as Christians would have it. I think the idea is brilliant …
And you are being purposely disingenuous.
Christopher Halsall | November 1, 2011 at 9:01 PM |
Disingenuous ..? No, most certainly not. I am atheist remember … we have no reason to be anything other than genuine … That is our religion so to speak
@BAFBFP: “No, most certainly not. I am atheist remember …
But a true thinker can only be Agnostic, since the Atheists make the same mistake that all True Believers make….
Which is …?
@ Preacher ZOE
Revelation 20:11-15
“Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.”
You quoted the scripture above.
Now, what does the last line of the above quote, please tell us Preacher? It says. . . . . . . . . . .”The dead were judged according to what they had done ( DONE = action/work performed) as recorded in the books.”
So, are we or are we not judged according to that which we have DONE (work performed), Preacher ZOE? You used the quote not I.
Yes, His Grace is sufficient after we can DO or have DONE (ie perform some action) to deserve His Grace!
Preacher you are misleading folk who are hungry to hear the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST and not the gospel of FALSE Preachers! And, you WILL BE JUDGED ACCORDINGLY by the MASTER.
So, tell me do you just wish Salvation, Preacher or would you not prefer EXALTATION?
Furthermore I do not know or have never heard of any “Mormon gospel” but I have knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of our Heavenly Father who is the Saviour and Redeemer of us all.
@BAFBFP: “Which is …?
To believe that only they can be correct, and everyone else is wrong.
No true thinker would dare to claim they cannot be wrong.
No Sir, you have misjudged me. My belief is just that, a belief. I “know” nothing … I may be 99.7 percent sure on some things but I am absolutely sure of nothing (other than my life being finite). I never said that everyone else is wrong, so to be clear I will say it now. I do not BELIEVE that everyone else is wrong; in any event I am not the only atheist in the world so I cannot logically oppose them now can I.
I think that thinking people KNOW that the more you believe you know, the more you KNOW there is to find out. Only Christians KNOW, and that is why they are the such a pain in the ass.
It seems PM David Cameron has been a busy camper. According to this report he has been the champion for same sex marriages in Churches and it seems that it will become a reality shortly:
if we could accept gay people then we could stop being so harsh on weed users
The Great White Throne Judgment, Revelation 20- 11-15
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@ de hood, you are SO confused, typical of a Mormon, mixing up ALWAYS, the TRUTH of God’s Word, the Bible, with, the Book of Mormon, you CANNOT * MIX* the FALSE doctrine of MORMONISM* with a touch of TRUTH, from the Bible! Can’t work, will NEVER work!
When the books are opened, each person, who has ever lived, will be judged individually based upon his or her works. It won’t be to determine if they are good enough to get into heaven for only the lost will be at this judgment. Those who have accepted Christ have already received their rewards and are in heaven. This moment will be the most tense filled and fearful time in the history of mankind. Those waiting to be judged will literally be scared to death.
This judgment will determine the severity of eternal torment for those who did not receive Christ. You may ask can anything be more severe than eternal damnation, and to be cast into a lake of fire? I don’t know, but I do know that everyone who does not know Jesus as Lord will be cast into the lake of fire, and their torment will be determined by the degree of their wickedness. Take a look at the following verses:
Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not: Woe unto thee, Chorazin! Woe unto thee, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: For if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee. (Matthew 11:20-24)
This clearly states that at the judgment there will definitely be those who will receive a more severe sentence then others. This IS* precisely WHY they are JUDGED according to there WORKS, DEEDS, as even those who NEVER repented, accepted and received Jesus Christ as Saviour and LORD, will be FAIRLY JUDGED, according to their WORKS, and given differing degrees of punishment in the Lake of Fire!
Lost And Without Hope
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. (Revelation 20:11)
Christ will be the final judge because all power has been given unto Him in heaven and in earth from God the Father. We as Christians will be present, but will not pass sentence at this judgment. “And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: And another book was opened, which is the book of life: And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: And they were judged every man according to their works.” (Revelation 20:12-13)
Everyone will be judged individually based upon the works they did on earth. Many believe that all will be gathered into one place and judged simultaneously (Revelation 20:12), but each will have their own day in court as if they are the only one standing before God. I have heard many say that they will give God a piece of their mind or accuse him to His face. But on that fateful day, there won’t be anyone cursing God or telling Him how unfair He is, everyone will stand silent, petrified in fear, and guilty as charged. The knowledge of Christ and His sacrifice will be revealed to them and they will at this time realize the horrible mistake they have made. They will have a change of heart and mind, but it will be to late.
Those in hell will be delivered up. They will already know the truth and some for thousands of years. How do I know this? You only need read Luke 16:22-31, the story of the rich man and Lazarus, to realize this truth.
When the rich man died and lifted up his eyes in hell, he immediately realized he had made an awful mistake. He made no excuses to try to persuade God to let him out or that he did not belong there. I believe the truth was immediately revealed to him upon entering hell leaving him without excuse or hope. You may ask, “How do you know this to be true? Let’s look at Luke 16:27-31.
Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, they have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, nay, father Abraham: But if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, if they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
This passage tells me that immediately following the death of the rich man, he found himself in hell being tormented and burning in the flames that surrounded him. His immediate desire was that Lazarus dip the tip of his finger in water and cool his tongue, for he was in torment. Strangely enough, he did not plead his case, nor exclaim his innocence or declare how unfair God was for sending him to this place. He knew he was guilty and without hope. Realizing his irreversible fate, he then requested that Abraham send Lazarus back from the dead to warn his family of this horrible place. Abraham’s reply was that they have Moses and the prophets. Then the rich man states something that leads me to believe that his eyes were opened at this time. “And he said, Nay, father Abraham: But if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.” How did he know that the only way to heaven was to repent? I believe that the truth was revealed to him the minute he entered hell, as it will be revealed to those who stand before God at the final judgment.
There will also be those who will still claim that their works, done in His name, should entitle them to get into heaven (Matthew 7:21-23), but as religious as they maybe, Christ will command them to depart without explanation. I find it peculiar that no explanation was afforded them. This leads me to believe that they were given full knowledge of the truth but still tried to make a case before God. But in the end they will all submit and declare that “at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” (Philippians 2:10-11)
“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: And another book was opened, which is the book of life: And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.” (Revelation 20: 12-13)
What a horrible moment in time it will be for billions of people, lost, without hope, and without excuse. There will be much weeping and pleading before the throne for mercy, but the time for mercy will be over.
I also believe that this will be a horrible moment in many born again believers lives. For many Christians will stand and watch as loved ones and friends are pronounced guilty and without hope, and cast eternally into the lake of fire because they would not share the Gospel with them. Husbands will be separated from their wives, fathers and mothers from their children, and brothers from their sisters. Separated eternally, and without reprieve, never to be held or touched again.
You may ask, “How will any Christian in their right mind be able to withstand this horrible judgment?” The Bible is not clear on how we will handle what will happen, but many believe that we will have glorified bodies and therefore have the mind of God. I believe this in part. Yes, we will have glorified bodies and we will have the mind of God, to the extent that we will be able to say, even as our loved ones are being cast into the lake of fire, that God is just and His judgments true. But I believe that many tears of agony will be shed during that time by Christians who will for the last time see their loved ones due to a lack of concern for their soul.
“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:15)
To be cast into a lake of fire is indeed a horrible and final end to anyone’s life, but unfortunately, that will only be the beginning of woes for those who turned their back on God. For all will suffer in varying degrees beyond the anguish of the lake that burns with fire, to what degree I do not know. I do know they will still possess their five senses, as the rich man did in hell, and will still be enslaved to their hang-ups, addictions, and lusts without fulfillment. And worst of all, their state will be eternal.
It is appointed unto man that he stand before God and give an account of His works, and what he has done in the body (II Corinthians 5:10). Satan has deceived many today into believing that their good works will out weigh their bad works, thus assuring them of a place in heaven. However, nowhere in the Bible is that doctrine supported and they will be terribly wrong. For it is only through the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ that we are granted eternal life. With that said, today are you prepared to meet God?
Readydone | November 2, 2011 at 6:20 AM |
if we could accept gay people then we could stop being so harsh on weed users.
I was waiting to see who would go here.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God..”
“Sodom & Gomorrah was not a story about inhospitable people against God’s angels as the homosexuals “agenda” is trying to “sell”. It is a true story about God destroying cities in the Dead Sea area of Israel because people there had sunk to the same levels of ungodly, indecent, defiling, selfish, lustful, perverted sexual behavior as did the people in Noah’s time.”
“Men from Sodom were extremely violent homosexuals. Not unlike the activist homosexuals in America today….”
“The book of Genesis relates us that when Lot invited into his house those three men who came into the city, not knowing they were angels, “before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.” When Lot tried to confront them, peacefully and tactfully, he said: “Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.” They acted according to their wickedness and violence settled in the perversion of their heart, they shouted at Lot: “Stand aside!”, furthermore, they said, “This one came in as an alien, and already he is acting like a judge; now we will treat you worse than them.” Angels struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they wearied themselves trying to find the doorway to take those men and abuse them sexually. This is the reality about homosexuals that are extremely violent.”
“Philo of Alexandria (c. 20 BC to AD 50). Jewish philosopher, theologian, and contemporary of Jesus and Paul. Writing on the life of Abraham.
“The land of the Sodomites, a part of Canaan afterwards called Palestinian Syria, was brimful of innumerable iniquities, particularly such as arise from gluttony and lewdness, and multiplied and enlarged every other possible pleasure with so formidable a menace that it had at last been condemned by the Judge of All…Incapable of bearing such satiety, plunging like cattle, they threw off from their necks the law of nature and applied themselves to…forbidden forms of intercourse. Not only in their mad lust for women did they violate the marriages of their neighbors, but also men mounted males without respect for the sex nature which the active partner shares with the passive; and so when they tried to beget children they were discovered to be incapable of any but a sterile seed. Yet the discovery availed them not, so much stronger was the force of the lust which mastered them. Then, as little by little they accustomed those who were by nature men to submit to play the part of women, they saddled them with the formidable curse of a female disease. For not only did they emasculate their bodies by luxury and voluptuousness but they worked a further degeneration in their souls and, as far as in them lay, were corrupting the whole of mankind.”
” Over 1.5 million ancient well fed bodies found buried where Sodom & Gomorrah was:”
“If Sodom & Gomorrah is a myth, atheist scientists and archeologists need to explain the more than 1,500,000 bodies found buried in vertical shafts, inside 3 ancient cemeteries there. Also, where did the millions of round balls of nearly pure sulfur (brimstone) found there come from? The area is now a hot, barren desert. If it were not well watered before the destruction as the Bible says – how could the area have supported well over a million well fed people?”
Millions of round sulfur brimstones found!
More empirical PROOF, confirming the Word of God, the Bible, IS* TRUE!
After Islam and Satanism, the homosexual agenda has to be the most militant and anti-Christian movement
@Techie. You bad. I like it.
@Technician,
Come to Canada. Weed users are welcome.
@Technician
I want to ask if you think a dose of your particular variety of “medicine” would be of any help to someone who was totally out of control and raving and ranting most times? To the point of being fanatical? If so, would you be able to direct the BU self-styled preacher how to get some of this “medicine”? I am referring to preacher Zoe (as if you did not so guess). Thanks a million for whatever assistance you may be able to provide for the relief of many of us who comment here.
Let us get real, there will always be gay people in this world born of born of heterosexual and bisexual parents. We have no choice but to accept them because we can’t send them back.
Caswell for a man in your position please DO NOT OPEN YOUR MOUTH ANY MORE you are exposing your nuts!
We in Barbados will not be affected by the British PM’s remarks because we have and have had homosexuals in Governments from the time we became an independent Nation. Many became Judges, Ambassadors and have even held higher office. Many are in the clergy even though many like to bury their heads on this one.
When the British went to India they found that Homosexuality was widespread and they introduced laws banning it.
So Caswell stop climbing coconut trees with holes in your pants. Your NUTS are exposed and might be injured!
@ ZOE- de false preacher
You claim: “It won’t be to determine if they are good enough to get into heaven for only the lost will be at this judgment. Those who have accepted Christ have already received their rewards and are in heaven.”
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And I reply. . . . .Ha, ha, ha. You sure you weren’t trained in Stand-up Comedy? If not, then I think you would make a lot of money in that field because you sure can make me laugh! Man, are you in for a shock when reality hits you on Judgment Day! All I can say to you is. . . . . Remember Saul ( later-Paul). He was also doing just what you are doing now (persecuting the saints) when he was brought to heel on the road to Damascus. So press on regardless, there may yet be some hope for you.
@ de hood (winked!) Mormon, listen to the TRUTH from the Word of God, the Bible, NOT* the perverted, Book of Mormon.
Works Boasting Excluded!
“Where is BOASTING then? It IS* EXCLUDED. By what law? Of works? NO, by by the law of FAITH. Therefore, we conclude that a man IS* JUSTIFIED, (Saved) by FAITH APART* from the DEEDS of the law (works). ( Rom 3: 27,28 Emphasis added).
Abraham Justified by Faith!, NOT works!
Hear from God’s Word, the Bible, NOT Mormonism!
“What then shall we say that Abraham our father, has found according to the flesh?” (4: 1)
“For IF Abraham was justified (Saved) by WORKS, he has something to BOAST about, BUT* NOT before God.” (v.2)
“For what does the Scriptures say? Abraham BELIEVED God (By Faith, NOT works) and it was accounted (credited) to him for righteousness” (v.3)
“Now to him who WORKS the wages are NOT counted as GRACE but DEBT.”
“But to him who does NOT work ( do good works!) BUT believes (By FAITH!) on Him who justifies (Saves), his FAITH (Not works!) IS* accounted for righteousness.” (v. 5)
“Just as David also describes the blessedness of the man whom God IMPUTES righteousness APART* FROM WORKS.” (v.6)
The point that the Apostle Paul is arguing here, IS* that Abraham WAS* NOT* justified, Saved, by ANY WORKS, or good deeds at ALL, or obedience to the law. And, the statement by James 2:21 that Abraham was “justified by works” uses the word ‘justified’ in a different sense altogether, NOT meaning declared to be righteous’ by God (as here), BUT, rather, his good works, ‘shown outwardly’ confirmed he had ALREADY being made righteous by God, through FAITH. The word ‘justify’ can take both meanings, with the CONTEXT determining the intent.
Therefore, there is no conflict whatsoever between Paul and James, as they both agree that Abraham WAS initially Saved, by FAITH ALONE* and NOT by any works at all ( Gen. 15:6; Rom 4:3), but that later in his life, evidence of that Salvation was witnessed by his works (Gen. 22:9; James 2:21). And, so it is with us today
But, of course, de hood, all of this is contrary to the spurious, FALSE doctrine of Mormonism!
IF good works, preceed genuine Salvation, which IS* granted solely by FAITH* in Christ, it is DEAD! Useless!
However, when one IS truly Justified* declared NOT guilty by God, in Jesus Christ, THEN, go and DO good works, which are then rewarded in Heaven, when the Justified believer gets there!
In other words, good works, FOLLOW our Salvation experience, NOT the other way around; otherwise one HAS the CART pulling the horse!
@ ZOE- de false preacher
You said, “In other words, good works, FOLLOW our Salvation experience, NOT the other way around; otherwise one HAS the CART pulling the horse!”
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I ask. . . . .and whoever disagreed with that? Not I for sure. It’s good to know that you do have SOME truth. Continue searching and you may eventually get to know ALL truth.
I would, however, wish to replace “Salvation experience” (your words) with “repentance experience”. Life is a never ending process of repentance as we transgress God’s laws every day.
@ Zoe:
“Life is a never ending process of repentance as we transgress God’s laws every day.”
Same crap, different day!!
Since we transgress everyday and we get let off provided we ask a god to cancel the debt called death or everlasting punishment in burning hell is it possible that we can purchase in advance from god’s insurance business 2 or 3 years of daily forgiveness? This would insure against the risks that drunkards, weed smokers or people having memory management challenges face each day. They transgress each day but might just forget to pray and ask for forgiveness possibly because of a major hangover or stone session. Here is a great business opportunity for you and your associates who have already received your pay out in heaven can undertake for the sake of the less fortunate sinners.
@millertheanunnaki | November 2, 2011 at 11:53 AM
I wish to point out that you mistakenly attributed that comment about repentance to the goodly Zoe when in fact in was my comment. Just for the record : >)
IslandChick
“DO NOT OPEN YOUR MOUTH ANY MORE you are exposing your nuts!”
I like it when you get nice and dirty … oh yeeeah!
@ de hood:
Thanks for pointing out the “mis-attribution” on my part with a concomitant apology to Zoe. But is life that fatalistic thus giving credence to the statement:
“Life is just one damn thing after another.”
Thing is, from Zoe’s description, heaven sounds just as boring. Not in a rush to get there!
But to use the motto of the “enlightened ones”: “As Above, so Below!”.
@ millertheanunnaki | November 2, 2011 at 2:40 PM
I quite understand what you say re Zoe. His idea about teaching the Gospel of Christ would probably give the Good Lord the “heebee geebies” as well! However, as I like to say. . . .to each his own, live and let live. I have absolutely no problem with folk having their take on things but I do have a problem with HOW some folk try to put them over to me. And, Zoe is one of those who kinda irritates me but to whom I have no animosity. Just pity.
@ BAFBFP
Wuh da yuh seh? Yuh sayin’ Island chick got nuts in her mouth?
And, how would u know dah?
Hood the chick was talking to the trade union fella … man, you getting too ol’ to keep up!
@BAFBFP and de Hood…
You are, of course, aware that the expression “chink” is derogatory to Asian People.
It’s a bit like calling a woman the “C” word.
Or a black person the “N” word.
Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones….
@ BAFBFP
Can you tell me where CH just arrive from?
We talkin’ hey bout CHICK and he butt in he mout with some “C” word spell “CHINK”. Wuh do he at all doe?
@ de hood:
BTW, I find your pseudonym quite “titillating”. I heard from my old perverted uncle that a “hood” is a place where a woman hides her “mini cock (spur)”. Maybe if you could just pull back and show the wee boy, you might find there are no “nuts” to swallow-not even a water hole- but only Caswell peering at you with a glint in his eyes and shouting “BAFBFP! BAFBFP!, Come! Come! I have found the entrance to the Promised Land called Ecstasy! (LOL!!)
@de hood…
It’s called “Pushing the Envelope”.
I’m sure you’ve heard about it.
@ millertheanunnaki | November 2, 2011 at 4:30 PM
Your play on words is, shall I say, hilarious. I quite enjoy reading your (risque?) comments.
@ CH
Sorry Chris, I ain’t got nuh henvelopes to push dese days. I is got ta pull dem all now!
@de hood: “I ain’t got nuh henvelopes to push dese days. I is got ta pull dem all now!
Just pointing out the Empirical: You can’t write proper English. Or, at least, you choose not to….
@ de hood:
Thanks for the ‘sleight of hand” compliment regarding my cybersexual sense of humour!
But you, as a man who has passed through the hornpipe, know the game of worshiping at the “mons pubis” where oil and sweetness flow like manna from Venus and waiting like a butterfly to entrap the suckers who dare venture within only to be swallowed with orgasmic delight.
@ millertheanunnaki | November 2, 2011 at 5:35 PM
Do you think that “our friend de preacha” would know anything about de manna from Venus or de butterfly trap? You might as well forget about him being a sucker!
What a thread my my, on unions being titillated, on juices flowing from Venus, on oil coming from the Middle and the East (Asians)?
Of hoods talking to chicks with a mouthful of nuts, of rushing to get to heaven, in ecstasy?
On BAF and the eating of Christians, remember Sparrow did sing that he ‘never eat a white meat yet’?
Wow….you are all pushing the envelope.
Ah well, just remember what that song said ‘doan bend down’? I would suggest that Jean and Dinah are a lot more fun!
very interesting seeing all the men sharing the same bed! oops! i mean thread on this blog . very lovey dovey nuts and all . So Sweet!
@ac, does it turn you on then, the loveryly doverly hareem of men at your beck and call, from the rampant Zoe, the indignant BAF to the lsick hood?
You are the onliest girl in the lair…what does THAT say….Lol
You must be Cleopatra….
Oops..mean to say ‘slick’ hood…fingers a little too playful ..lol
All ah wunna playing on words .. pretty damn clever… We’ve got some lyrical specialist in the midst but unfortunately too damned old to cash in. However, a word to the wise. My man Chris is autistic. That means he has zero social skills and is very focused on a specific discipline. These people are either mentally inadequate or genius … no in between. This Halsall guy is no ass as you are well aware. Handle with care and understanding. Hood you feeling me?
@ BAFBFP
It all depends, buddy. . . . . .it all depends.. . . . . . . .
@ Bentwood
Wid all them cocks! i cry Foul! or should is say FOWL.
@BAFBFP
I can’t get him figured out at all. So far he’s proving a bit enigmatic. Now if you had asked about de false preacha of BU. . . . . .well that’s a whole new kettle of “fishy” thoughts.
@ac
So……….. you so very sure that dem is all cocks??
@Dehood
duh sure ruffling them feathers alot. sounds like cocks to me.them wear dresses too! ask baf!
@ Hants…
Montreal in January.
When the wrath of God hits nations that have rejected him, the aid from europe et al will not be enough to rebuild.
100 | November 3, 2011 at 6:33 AM |
When the wrath of God hits nations that have rejected him, the aid from europe et al will not be enough to rebuild.
If your GOD is a man we’ve got problems and we seeing them every day from the time man has been on this earth. Let us face it many are a bunch of hypocrites pretending to obey this invisible being a man GOD they have created whom they say was created by another man GOD who is the father of this Man GOD and who is also the son and a holy GHOST. How can anyone be not confused with this garbage written by man trying to explain his existence on earth. Like trees and animals we are all born to die. Some of us may live longer than others but our body will break down or be destroyed by disease. This GOD thing hasn’t helped mankind but mankind does not want to see it for what it is. They keep trying to prove that it might work out one day and will continue to create havoc for this GOD man.
@ islandgal246 | November 3, 2011 at 8:09 AM
I am not trying to be facetious or argumentative but what if you just happen to be mistaken? What then?
To island gal:
I am so happy to see waxing warm philosophically. Unlike others I have to respect your position but don’t you think it is a bit intellectually dishonest for you to pee on others who believe differently? Yet, you and those of us of the lofty thinking and confidence in what is man and where he comes from including the why of his existence, go so cheerfully to the wizards and witches and new age spiritual leaders to embrace what for the most part is more hog wash than that supposed fairy tale book that persons of your ilk called the BIBLE.
Do I detect some desperation when you detail the slow degradation of our bodies before death? For if all we are born to is to die then with the desperation I detected in your piece a sip of Jim Jones cool aid would certainly put an end to the torture which your are experiencing that is referred to as LIFE. You are showing the pangs of agony when confronted with the end of life with no hope. At least those of us who do practice the art of fairy tales can face the future and death with hope because Jesus Christ lives!
@Lemule ” Unlike others I have to respect your position but don’t you think it is a bit intellectually dishonest for you to pee on others who believe differently? ”
Lemule Believers have been PISSING on non believers of your faith for centuries. YOU don’t and can’t even begin to detect anything about me and STOP fcuking making up shoite about my feelings. I am the only one who can say anything about how I feel and at this moment I feel that you are talking a whole lotta shoite! So stop that CONDESENDING tripe you are talking. I don’t agonize over shoite like you and as for fairy tales, the Bible has many that you believe as the truth.
@De Hood…… “I am not trying to be facetious or argumentative but what if you just happen to be mistaken? What then?”
What if you are mistaken? What then?
To Island gal:
I forgot to mention that you are in good company. The Jews, because they are still looking for the Messiah, believe that Christians are worshiping a God man. How does this God man conjecture match up with the various levels of consciousness found in the new age movement. For it is believed that at the end of these levels man actualizes into a GOD. If you Island attained that lofty height would you be too taking on this God man conjecture. I am not here to disturb your equilibrium; I just want to let you know that this is not a flippant matter, and in the dead of the night or the brightness of the noon day, you and i shall have to face to reality of what is death. Never mind the post modernists; Truth still remains absolute, all else is merely conjecture and a large fat fairy tale by the father of lies.
Lemule…your truth is YOURS mine is mine and I don’t give one iota about your truth.
To Island Gal:
You are still my girl.
@ islandgal246
In that case then I have nothing to lose because it would not really matter but I would sure hate to be made to realise at the crucial moment that I could have had it all and just let victory slip away from between my fingers because of my lack of faith in God.
But hey, I can only speak for myself. Capiche? (Italian for understand). The last thing I would hate is for anyone would think that I was trying to foist my ideas on them. As a principle of conversation I would like to think that I could state my views to you and you can state yours to me and we can respectfully appreciate each others point of view. Is that what verbal intercourse all about?
@ De Hood…..”In that case then I have nothing to lose because it would not really matter but I would sure hate to be made to realise at the crucial moment that I could have had it all and just let victory slip away from between my fingers because of my lack of faith in God.”
Have what all? What Victory? Over whom? …..Je ne comprend pas.
@ islandgal246
Well if you have read the scriptures we have learnt from them that all that our Heavenly Father has would all be for us. We would be His eternal inheritors. That is what I was referring to when I made that comment. However, you do not share such beliefs so maybe it does not make any difference to you. And, I am not trying to be presumptuous.
@ islandgal246
Forgot to mention also, one of the victories will be the victory over the grave (death) that you seem to think means finality for us.
Heaven, what will it be like?
The Bible gives us a more complete picture of heaven than we might guess. First, we can take a little look at what heaven won’t be.
In heaven, there will be: No power shortages, for God is all powerful; no bumping into things in the dark; no sleepless nights (there is no night there, Revelation 21:25). Nor will there be: Bills; hospitals; bank accounts. In fact, heaven will have: No complaints; no back-talk; no hate; no fear; no crime.
Are you really ready to live in heaven? Now, let’s take a close look at what heaven will be like: Heaven will be a place of fellowship. “I go to prepare a place for you. I will come again and receive you unto myself” (John 14:3). The children of God shall “meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord” (I Thessalonians 4:17). “He who overcomes, I will give him the Morning Star.” “I am Jesus. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and Morning Star.” (Revelation 2:26-28; 22:16). “And it shall come to pass that before they call, I will answer, and while they are yet speaking, I will hear” (Isaiah 65:24).
Heaven will be a place to worship God. When Isaiah speaks for the Lord of the new heavens and earth, he prophesies that “all flesh shall come to worship before me” (Isaiah 66:22,23). The Apostle, John, also predicts the same thing saying: “For Thou only are holy: for all nations shall come and worship before Thee” (Revelation 15:4; 21:24).
Surely heaven will be a place of joy and productive work. We can be sure that in heaven we will be like God and Jesus, and they have always worked. Jesus said, “My Father worketh hitherto, and I work” (John 5:17). We find this same description of the new heavens and new earth in Revelation 21:1 and Isaiah 65:17. Isaiah describes it as a place of joy where there will be no tears nor the sound of crying. This is in Isaiah 65:19, and also in Revelation 21:4; 7:17. Isaiah continues to show us it will be a place where one can labor and see his labor bear fruit. This is in Isaiah 65:21-23.
Heaven will have a beauty beyond our imagination. The best John could do to describe heaven was to say it was like an entire city of transparent gold. He says: The walls of the new city are precious jewels. The gates are twelve single pearls. The city itself and its streets are pure gold, yet like transparent glass. This is found in Revelation 21:18, 19, 21.
And the whole city is lighted by the glory of God. Heaven is a place of matchless blessings. Jesus has prepared a mansion for us there. Great treasure is stored up for us; in fact, the saints “will inherit all things” (Revelation 21:7). The leaves of the tree of life will guarantee our health. and the crystal pure water of the river of life will flow from the throne of God to the tree of eternal life. For the first time since the Garden of Eden, God’s children may eat out of this tree in His paradise (Genesis 3:22 and Revelation 2:7).
In heaven we will be given new names, new imperishable bodies. and we will be clothed in the white robes of righteousness. We will be glorious living stones; pillars in the eternal temple of God (I Corinthians 15:52; 1 Peter 2:5; Revelation 3:12).
Best of all, heaven with God and Jesus will be a place of love. God in tender love will wipe away all our tears (Revelation 21:4). The angels will rejoice as heaven fills with righteous Christians (II Peter 3:13). Those spirits who have hungered and have thirsted to humbly live with God; those with pure hearts; those who have willingly endured persecution; and those who have lived for God’s peace, will live together in life and love forever and ever.
This place is heaven. Will you be there?
BTW, there many people alive on earth TODAY, who HAD out-of-body, real spirit/soul, experiences of Heaven and Hell, some are believers, some non-believers, from all walkes of life, including a few children, and ALL of them have strikingly similiar stories to tell, that BOTH places are REAL, Heaven and Hell!
@ Zoe | November 3, 2011 at 9:52 AM
ZOE,
Good for you. So a word of warning to you. . . . . .you better watch how you go about persecuting the saints (even Latter-Day Saints)of God!
@ Zoe:
Your sunny and bright description of heaven sounds most tempting. Only problem is the “productive work”. We humans don’t work our asses off on earth to be confronted with more work in heaven. Were we promised milk and honey? Or does the work involve raising cows and smoking out bees? I suspect though that this work might involve mining coal to sell to Satan to keep the fire burning in hell.
If heaven is so wonderful, Zoe, then if I were you I would have my bags already packed and ready to take that final ride on the wings of a blue- eyed white angel heading for that bright and sunny abode in the sky. But a caveat: You must die first before you can take that ride. The price of living in heaven is death on earth!
@ millertheanunnaki | November 3, 2011 at 10:10 AM
Man yuh 2 bad. Yuh killin’ muh hey wid de laughing.
Did we not have a recent PM tell us that, quote” everyone wants to go to Heaven but no one wants to die!” End of quote.
Maybe preacha ZOE is one of those! Don’t scare the wits out of the poor preacha, nah man.
“And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments. . .” Luke 16:23
What you’re about to read is hard to believe. . .
We’re going to examine the place the Bible calls hell. We’ll present documented evidence for a place called hell. Don’t take what you’re going to read lightly. If what you read is true — YOU COULD BE IN SERIOUS DANGER!
Several years ago a book was published, entitled Beyond Death’s Door by Dr. Maurice Rawlings. Dr. Rawlings, a specialist in Internal Medicine and Cardiovascular Disease, resuscitated many people who had been clinically dead. Dr. Rawlings, a devout atheist, “considered all religion “hocus-pocus” and death nothing more than a painless extinction”. But something happened in 1977 that brought a dramatic change in the life of Dr. Rawlings! He was resuscitating a man, terrified and screaming — descending down into the flames of hell:
“Each time he regained heartbeat and respiration, the patient screamed, “I am in hell!” He was terrified and pleaded with me to help him. I was scared to death. . . Then I noticed a genuinely alarmed look on his face. He had a terrified look worse than the expression seen in death! This patient had a grotesque grimace expressing sheer horror! His pupils were dilated, and he was perspiring and trembling — he looked as if his hair was “on end.”
Then still another strange thing happened. He said,”Don’t you understand? I am in hell. . . Don’t let me go back to hell!” . . .the man was serious, and it finally occurred to me that he was indeed in trouble. He was in a panic like I had never seen before.”
(Maurice Rawlings, Beyond Death’s Door,(Thomas Nelson Inc., 1979) p. 3).
Dr. Rawlings said, no one, who could have heard his screams and saw the look of terror on his face could doubt for a single minute that he was actually in a place called hell!
The Bible continually warns of a place called hell. There are over 162 references in the New Testament alone which warns of hell. And over 70 of these references were uttered by the Lord Jesus Christ!
In Luke 16, Jesus Christ gives a frightening picture of hell:
22 . . . the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. (Luke 16:22-28)
HELL IS A PLACE OF FIRE
The man in Luke 16:24 cries: “. . .I am tormented in this FLAME.”
In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: “And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says: “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting FIRE,. . .”
Revelation 20:15 says, ” And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE.”
THE BIBLE GIVES THE LOCATION OF HELL
When Jesus Christ died on the cross, He descended into hell. In Acts 2, Peter is speaking, verse 31, ” . . . seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in HELL”
When Jesus Christ died His soul went into hell.
And in Matthew 12:40, Jesus Christ says:
“For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly: so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH. ”
The Bible is clear — Hell is inside the earth!
Ephesians 4:9, says of Jesus: “Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the LOWER PARTS OF THE EARTH.”
On page 85 of Beyond Death’s Door, Dr. Rawlings writes patients who described hell said, “. . . this place seems to be UNDERGROUND or WITHIN THE EARTH in some way.”
Scientist and Bible teacher, Henry Morris also agrees the Bible plainly teaches that hell is in this earth:
“So far as we can tell from Scripture, the present hell, is somewhere in the heart of the earth itself. It is also called ‘the pit’ (Isa. 14:9, 15: Ezek. 32:18-21) and ‘the abyss’ (Rev. 9:2). . .
The writers certainly themselves believed hell to be real and geographically ‘beneath’ the earth’s surface. . .
To say this is not scientific is to assume science knows much more about the earth’s interior than is actually the case. The great ‘pit’ [hell] would only need to be about 100 miles or less in diameter to contain, with much room to spare, all the forty billion or so people who have ever lived, assuming their ‘spiritual’ bodies are the same size as their physical bodies.”
(Henry M. Morris, The Bible Has the Answer, p. 220)
The Birmingham News, April 10, 1987 had an article entitled “Earth’s Center Hotter Than Sun’s Surface, Scientists Say”. The article stated that scientists have recently discovered, “THE EARTH’S INNER CORE HAS A TEMPERATURE OF OVER 12,000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT!”
Have you seen pictures of a volcano erupting, spewing a lake of fire from inside the earth — consuming everything within miles just from the heat? When Mount St. Helens erupted in May 18, 1980, it was described by reporters, “when HELL surfaced upon the earth.” The book, Volcanoes, Earth’s Awakening (p.91) describes an erupting volcano as “descent into HELL”.
Thousands of years ago, the Bible described a place called hell in the heart of the earth that matches exactly what science is discovering.
YES! THERE IS A PLACE CALLED HELL!
In Numbers 16, the Bible gives the account of people falling into hell alive!
“And THE EARTH OPENED HER MOUTH, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive INTO THE PIT, and the EARTH CLOSED UPON THEM:” Numbers 16:32-33
Caspar Peucer, a famous fourteenth century astronomer and physician, who also researched and documented the volcanoe eruptions at Heklafell wrote some very frightening information in his research findings. Peucer, claims (as others) that “fearful howlings, weeping and gnashing of teeth” could be heard “for many miles. . .” as these volcanoes erupted:
“Out of the bottomless abyss of Heklafell, or rather out of Hell itself, rise melancholy cries and loud wailings, so that these can be heard for many miles around. . . there may be heard in the mountain fearful howlings, weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
(Haraldur Sigurdsson, Melting the Earth, The History of Ideas on Volcanic Eruptions, p. 73)
And Caspar Peucer is not alone. There are others who believe they have heard “cries and screaming” coming from volcanoes. Most have tried to ignore the obvious. Some simply explain the “sounds of hell” to some rational meaning. But they are there. . .
“The fearsome noises that issued from some of their volcanoes were certainly thought to be the screams of tormented souls in the fires of hell below”.
(Haraldur Sigurdsson, Melting the Earth, The History of Ideas on Volcanic Eruptions, p. 73)
Inside this earth, this very moment, there are millions of lost, tormented souls — burning, weeping, wailing — without any hope whatsoever!
In Mark 9:46, Jesus Christ says about hell: “Where THEIR WORM dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”
Jesus said explicitly — THEIR worm — not a worm, or the worm — but THEIR worm. The Bible teaches that Christians will one day have a body like the Lord Jesus Christ. Could it be, as some Bible students teach — that men and women in hell take on the form of their father, Satan (John 8:44)? In Revelation 12:3, Satan is described as a red dragon. Could Jesus Christ be referring to the body lost men and women will have for eternity?
The earth’s crust on land is normally 50 miles thick. You’d have to go down 50 miles before the edge of the fire. But in parts of the ocean floor, the earth’s crust is less than a mile thick.
Scientists recently discovered cracks on the ocean floor where fire was leaking out. Do you know what they found around these fire-breathing vents in the crust? Eight-foot long worms, found no other place in the world! The book, The Deep Sea, by Joseph Wallace (p.39), reads, “Perhaps the strangest of ocean creatures recently discovered are Riftia, the giant tube WORMS. Measuring up to 8 feet in length, the worms are ONLY FOUND NEAR DEEP SEA VENTS.”
And Jesus Christ said, “Where THEIR WORM dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”
Have you read Isaiah 66 where the Lord Jesus Christ is quoting Mark 9:46?
Look at the context and time period of Isaiah 66:22-24:
Isaiah 66:22-24:
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
The “new heavens and new earth” of Isaiah 66:22 matches Revelation 21:1. This occurs AFTER the Great White Throne Judgement of Revelation 20:10-15! The references to “carcases”; “their worm”; “their fire” (vs 24) — is AFTER the Great White Throne Judgement of the LOST people! The reference to “. . the men that have transgressed. . .” are the LOST people AFTER the Great White Throne Judgement.
And at this point — they have received their NEW BODY! Notice what Isaiah says, the saved people shall “LOOK upon the CARCASES of the men that have transgressed. . .” It’s worth mentioning that a “carcase” is not always a “DEAD body”. For instance, two times the Bible specifically uses the term “dead carcase” (Deut. 14:8 and Ezek 6:5). If a carcase is ALWAYS a “dead” body, then why say “dead” carcase? And there’s NOTHING in the context of Isaiah to imply these “men that transgressed” are “dead”.
In fact, Isaiah clearly says, “their worm shall NOT DIE”. Even in our language, we refer to a living body as a “carcase”. For example, “Get your carcase [body] in here”. Why is that important? Because when the saved people in Isaiah 66:24 are “looking upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed” — And do you know what they are SEEING? “Their worm”! The “carcase” they are seeing is “their WORM that shall not die”. The end of Isaiah 66:24 is a frightening endorsement of this interpretation. What the saved people are viewing Isaiah says is , “. . . an abhorring unto all flesh”. And my friend, that is not JUST a normal flesh body they are looking at! It is something that will send chills screaming through your soul at the horror. And it will happen!
And it will happen TO YOU if you die without the Lord Jesus Christ!
Even though the world tries to extinguish the cries and reality of hell — the truth of hell echoes throughout our world. We desperately pretend to cover our ears and igonore the “screams, the weeping, the wailing, the gnashing of teeth” but it is there. . . And we know it. We refuse to accept such a place exist. But it is there. And we know it. Nothing we can do, nothing we can say, can erase the horror of hell from our minds.
It is there. And we know it.
National Geographic magazine truthfully titled their story on Volcanoes “Going To Hell”. When PBS did a series on The Savage Earth, one episode was titled “Hell’s Crust: Our Everchanging Planet”. Everything we know. Everything we observe. Echoes the truth of a place called hell.
It is there. And we know it.
Revelation 14:10 says, ” . . . and he shall be tormented with fire and BRIMSTONE . . .” And Job 18 describes the ” . . . PLACE of him that knoweth not God” (vs 21), in verse 15 as, ” . . . BRIMSTONE shall be scattered upon his habitation.” Do you know what brimstone is? It’s sulfur. And do you know where sulfur or brimstone is found? INSIDE THIS EARTH! According to the book Volcanoes by Pierre Kohler (p. 43), when Mt. St Helens erupted in 1980 — 150,000 tons of sulfurous gas was ejected! Job is the oldest book in the Bible, written over 3,000 years ago, and yet Job knew what science wouldn’t know for years — inside this earth is BRIMSTONE!
Nature magazine recently discovered (July 2002) what the Bible knew over 3,000 years ago. Inside this earth is “fire and brimstone”:
“Volcanoes may be more like hell than anyone realized. Eruptions disgorge streams of molten sulphur, the brimstone of evangelical preachers, which burns up before it can be preserved for posterity, new research in the journal Geology shows”.
(Nature, Science Update, July 22, 2002)
Click here to view an incredible National Geographic Macromedia Flash clip on Volcanoes with the intro “FIRE. . . BRIMSTONE. . . HELL ON EARTH. . VOLCANOES” Note: You will need the ability to play MacroMedia Flash to view
The cover of Discover magazine, August 2002, asks the question — “What’s Really at the Center of the Earth?”.
I know what’s REALLY in “the center of this earth”. Jesus Christ told us. Over and over. There is a lake of fire — with millions of people burning, weeping, screaming, wailing, gnashing of teeth”.
READ THE FOLLOWING!
“. . . they dig into hell . . .” Amos 9:2
The following article appeared in the well respected Finland newspaper, Ammenusastia
—————————————————————————– “As a communist I don’t believe in heaven or the Bible but as a scientist I now believe in hell,” said Dr. Azzacove. “Needless to say we were shocked to make such a discovery. But we know what we saw and we know what we heard. And we are absolutely convinced that we drilled through the gates of hell!”
Dr. Azzacove continued, “. . .the drill suddenly began to rotate wildly, indicating that we had reached a large empty pocket or cavern. Temperature sensors showed a dramatic increase in heat to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit.”
“We lowered a microphone, designed to detect the sounds of plate movements down the shaft. But instead of plate movements we heard a human voice screaming in pain! At first we thought the sound was coming from our own equipment.”
“But when we made adjustments our worst suspicions were confirmed. The screams weren’t those of a single human, they were the screams of millions of humans!”
The following is a recording that claims to be the actual sounds of hell from the above article.
Are these the actual sounds of hell?
Listen and you decide. . .
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HELL IS A PLACE OF TORMENT
Jesus says of the man in Luke 16:
23 “And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in TORMENTS. . . ”
24 “. . . for I am TORMENTED in this FLAME.”
28 “. . .PLACE OF TORMENT.”
It is humanly impossible to comprehend the Bible description of hell. Nothing on earth can compare with it. No nightmare could produce a terror to match that of hell. No horror movie could describe it’s fright. No crime scene with all it’s blood and gore could begin to match it’s horror.
It will be beyond anything humanly imaginable!
The Bible warns in Psalm 9:17, you will not only be in hell — you will BE TURNED INTO HELL! You will literally BE HELL!
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Psalm 9:17
YOU will see HELL. . .
YOU will smell HELL. . .
YOU will breathe HELL. . .
YOU will hear HELL. . .
YOU will feel HELL. . .
YOU WILL BE HELL. . .
The Bible describes it as weeping (Matt 8:12), wailing (Matt 13:42), gnashing of teeth (Matt 13:50), darkness (Matt 25:30), flames (Luke 16:24), burning (Isa 33:14), torments (Luke 16:23), everlasting punishment! Jesus Christ says in Matthew 25:41, “Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels.”
In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: “And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
HELL IS FOREVER!
All who enter hell — abandon all hope!
The horror of hell — for even one second is unbearable — but FOREVER!
Jesus says in Matthew 25:41: “. . . Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING fire, . . .”
Rev. 14:11: “The smoke of their TORMENT ascendeth up for EVER AND EVER: and they have NO REST DAY NOR NIGHT.”
Just look how the Bible warns of the eternity and permance of hell!
everlasting fire — Matthew18:8, 25:41
everlasting punishment — Matthew 25:46
everlasting chains — Jude 1:6
eternal damnation — Mark 3:29
eternal judgment — Hebrews 6:2
eternal fire — Jude 1:7
unquenchable fire — Matthew 3:12
the fire that never shall be quenched — Mark 9:43, 44, 45, 46, 48
fire unquenchable — Luke 3:17
mist of darkness is reserved for ever — 2 Peter 2:17
the blackness of darkness for ever — Jude 1:13
My friend, I have searched my Bible, from cover to cover. . . I have studied every occurrence of hell in my Bible — and I can not find one verse, not one word of HOPE for someone in hell! NOT ONE WORD! The rich man in hell in Luke 16 never even asks to get out — He knew there was no way out!
OH MY FRIEND – HELL IS FOREVER AND EVER!
What could possibly be worth eternity in hell? No wonder Jesus Christ warned so much about hell! No wonder Jesus said in Mark 8:36, “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and LOSE HIS OWN SOUL?”
Jesus Christ took hell very serious. . .
Jesus Christ says in Mark 9:43-47,
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Jesus Christ took hell so serious — He could say without the slightest hesitation — to remove your eye, cut off your hand or foot, if that would keep you out of hell!
If hell is not real — Jesus Christ was the most deceived man that ever lived!
I’ll challenge anyone to read the words of Jesus Christ and tell me they are the words of a deceived man!
Jesus Christ knew exactly what He was talking about!
How did Jesus describe hell?
Jesus Christ spoke more on hell than any other subject.
Just look at how Jesus described hell:
WHAT JESUS CHRIST SAYS ABOUT HELL!
“fire” Matt 7:19, 13:40, 25:41
“everlasting fire” Matt 18:8, 25:41
“eternal damnation” Mark 3:29
“hell fire” Matt 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:47
“damnation” Matt 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47
“damnation of hell” Matt 23:33
“resurrection of damnation” John 5:29
“furnace of fire” Matt 13:42, 50
“the fire that never shall be quenched” Mark 9:43, 45
“the fire is not quenched” Mark 9:44, 46, 48
“Where their worm dieth not” Mark 9:44, 46, 48
“wailing and gnashing of teeth” Matt 13:42, 50
“weeping and gnashing of teeth” Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30
“torments” Luke 16:23
“tormented in this flame” Luke 16:24
“place of torment” Luke 16:28
“outer darkness” Matt 8:12, 22:13
“everlasting punishment” Matt 25:46
Hebrews 9:27 says, “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this THE JUDGEMENT:”
it is appointed unto man once to die . . .
and one day — YOU will die . . .
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments . . .
As you leave your body — you realize something is happening. You hear a sound. . . getting louder and louder. . . screaming . . .weeping. . . wailing. Terror and fear beyond anything you could imagine overtakes you. “This can’t be happening!” you scream. Your nostrils are filling with the awful stench of burning souls. Your face ignites from the heat. Flames are now blazing from your eyes, nostrils, ears, mouth — every opening in your body, flames are roaring out. Your body is sizzling and crackling from the flames.
Your body is now madly thrashing and convulsing from the horrible pain. “Why don’t I die?”, you scream. You begin weeping and gnashing your teeth with the millions. “When will this pain stop?” But you know it will never stop. . .
The darkness is so terrifying, it begins engulfing you. You feel something moving in the darkness. . . something horrible is happening. “No! No! This can’t be happening” you scream — as your worm is emerging.
You begin cursing the day you were born. You scream — “Oh God, why didn’t you warn me?”— but you remember the preacher pleading with you to receive Jesus Christ. You remember reading that gospel tract. You cry — “God don’t you care?” — but you remember John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,. . .” “God is a God of love — He won’t allow this”, you cry — but you remember John 3:36, “. . . he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
And you soon realize, that Jesus Christ was right!
There is a place called hell.
AND YOU ARE THERE — FOREVER!
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But God is a God of LOVE. . . Why would a GOD OF LOVE send me to hell? Yes, God is a GOD OF LOVE — but God is also a HOLY GOD. A HOLY GOD demands payment for sin. Otherwise God would NOT and could NOT be HOLY.
Because God is holy — sin MUST be condemned. Joshua 24:19 says, “. . he is an HOLY GOD;. . . he will NOT forgive your transgressions nor your sins.”
BUT FRIEND I HAVE GOOD NEWS!
God does NOT want you in hell
Hell was not made for man. Matthew 25:41 says, hell was, “. . . prepared for the devil and his angels:”
Because God is a GOD OF LOVE, and He LOVED YOU so much, He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to this earth to die a cruel death on a cross to pay the price a HOLY GOD demands for your sins.
Romans 5:8 says, “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
God does not send someone to hell. You choose hell when you reject Jesus Christ. When you refuse God’s love gift of eternal life in Jesus Christ. . .
YOU CHOOSE HELL!
Millionaire Ted Turner, said in an interview, “I’m looking forward to dying and being cast into Hell. That’s where I belong.” You say — he’s a fool! But friend, when you say “No”; to Jesus Christ and His payment for your sin — you are saying the same thing! You’re telling God — I don’t need Jesus Christ — I’ll pay for my sins in hell!
If you reject God’s gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ
ONE DAY YOU WILL BE IN HELL!
Dr. Rawlings has watched as thousands of people depart into eternity. Most people think they’ll somehow “sneak” into heaven, but Dr. Rawlings claims most people descend into the flames of hell!
Jesus Christ gave a solemn warning in Matthew 7:21-23
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. . . MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
If it was for a few days, a few months, a few years or even a million years, but to be tormented — FOREVER! You will despair of ever having any deliverance! You will beg for death itself to come and take you away! You will curse the day you were born! Revelation 14:11 says, “The smoke of their TORMENT ascendeth up for EVER AND EVER: and they have NO REST DAY NOR NIGHT.”
What could possibly be worth eternity in hell?
No wonder Jesus Christ said in Mark 8:36:
“For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?”Mark 8:36:
God has something far better than words can describe for those who love Him. I Corinthians 2:9 says:
“. . . Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him.”I Corinthians 2:9
Friend, there is a place called hell! And, if you continually refuse God’s gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ — just as sure as you live and breathe — ONE DAY YOU WILL WAKE UP IN HELL!
Don’t wait until you die to find out the truth about Hell! Tomorrow may be too late! Proverbs 27:1 says, “Boast not thyself of tomorrow: for thou KNOWEST NOT what a day may bring forth.”
Three people die every second, 180 every minute, since you started reading this — 2000 more people have gone into eternity! An automobile accident. . . A heart attack. . , A stroke. . .One thing is CERTAIN — you will DIE — today. . . tomorrow . . . a week. . . a month . . . a year. . . 5 years. . . 10 years. . . 20 years. . . 50 years — ONE THING IS CERTAIN —” . . .it is appointed unto man once TO DIE . . .”
DON’T BE CAUGHT DEAD WITHOUT JESUS!
You may have made some terrible mistakes in your life. There may be some things in your life you would give anything to be able to change. But friend, I assure you — if you die without Jesus Christ — it’ll be the worst mistake you could possibly make!
Has there ever come a time and a place in your life, when you received Jesus Christ as your personal Savior?
If not, you are on the way to hell!
Don’t let anyone convince you that when you die it will be all over! The Bible says in Hebrews 9:27:
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this THE JUDGMENT.” Hebrews 9:27
Revelation 20:15 says:
“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE.” Revelation 20:15
If you’ve never received Jesus Christ as your Savior, bow your head this minute and ask the Lord Jesus Christ to save you.Don’t put it off another second!
NOTHING’S WORTH TAKING THE CHANCE!
It’s simple to be saved …
Realize you are a sinner.
“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” Romans 3:10
“… for there is no difference. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” Romans 3:23
Realize you CAN NOT save yourself.
“But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; …” Isaiah 64:6
“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, …” Titus 3:5
Realize that Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay for your sins.
“Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, …” 1 Peter 2:24
“… Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,” Revelation 1:5
Simply by faith receive Jesus Christ as your personal Savior.
“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:” John 1:12
” …Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”" Acts 16:30,31
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16
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WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE SAVED?
Pray this prayer, and mean it with all your heart.
Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and unless you save me I am lost forever. I thank you for dying for me at Calvary. I come to you now, Lord the best way I know how, and ask you to save me. I now receive you as my Savior. In Jesus Christ Name, Amen.
“How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation;”
Hebrews 2:3
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de hood | November 3, 2011 at 10:21 AM |
“Did we not have a recent PM tell us that, quote” everyone wants to go to Heaven but no one wants to die!” End of quote”
I am elated to know that you are able to extend out from the “hood’”, stand erect and have a good hearty cackle. You know what the experts say: Laughter is the best medicine! So swallow and smile! We don’t want you just yet flying off to Zoe’s paradise.
But the recent PM is not the author of this hilarious but true remark. It was first made popular in a song written and sung by Loretta Lynn. I believe also the late Peter Tosh might have ‘popularize’ it among his fan club which I believe the said PM with his JCA experience would have been a member and contemporary of the said “rebel” reggae artist .
@ de hood (winked!) That deceitful ‘Religious’ organization you belong to, should have as its sign post, “NOT the church of Jesus Christ, of Latter- day Saints, BUT, the church of LATTER DAY Deceivers”
ZOE,
O.K! If you say so. Why don’t you get a petition made up and signed by the many millions of LDS who have come to know our Lord and Saviour and present it to the leadership of the church.
@ ZOE
And so to end a gripping tale, Zoe, I take it that this Dr. Rawlings is now one of the leading stars in your organisation. Right? If not then why not? Seeing as how he and you know much about this place called hell. Think about it, Zoe, he (and you perhaps) could be adding all this new found wealth from his preaching to your bank accounts!
@ millertheanunnaki | November 3, 2011 at 10:10 AM
Just came up with a brilliant idea to help tide us over our “twilight” years, money-wise, that is.
My idea is this. . . . . .Perhaps you and I along with a few others (ac, islandgal, BAFBFP, any other suggestios?) could start up preaching like Zoe et al and get some additional funds to add to our assets. Think we could try?
@ de hood:
That would require telling story book fairy like tales to naive big men and women. Lying is one art I, an old dog like me, can’t be taught at this stage of life. I might be deemed a rebel, a demon, or even anti-christ if I were to expatiate about spiritual matters and the origin of human beings- you know the “let us make man in our own image thing”. I am a rebel by nature but I always find comfort in my Transfiguration that occurred in the year of 1999 and in the song:” I did it my way”. The only asset I value and wish to maintain and enhance is My Health.
BAFBFP the law abiding atheist might be interested in this religious ponzi starting with Zoe as the first sucker to form the base.
@ millertheanunnaki | November 3, 2011 at 12:11 PM
“BAFBFP the law abiding atheist might be interested in this religious ponzi starting with Zoe as the first sucker to form the base”
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So……… are you giving us 2 confirmed facts there then?
ie. 1. BAFBFP IS a law abiding atheist and,
2. Zoe is a sucker. (Sucker of what though, duck eggs?)
@ millertheanunnaki
Don’t be remiss, however, Chris Hal(shall) require your “empirical” evidence of these “facts”.
You all need a joint…..seriously!
@ de hood:
BAFBFP might be law abiding but is not a “true blue’ atheist. He has a temple in the market place selling anything to anybody with foreign currency.
On the other hand, Zoe is a simple child sucking lollipops from any Judeo-Christian candy store. But I hope for his sake he does not join the band of little children in following the Pied Piper of Religious Mythology into a spiritual black hole.
@ Technician | November 3, 2011 at 12:39 PM
Meaning exactly whom? themiller and I?
Technician | November 3, 2011 at 12:39 PM |
“You all need a joint…..seriously!”
Hi Tech the snake! Where you just crawl from? I hope not from between Eve’s legs? I miss you, slippery one!
But seriously, (after smoking my mind is now expanded) ,what do you think our AG is up to when he says (as reported in the Nation) the following:
Barbados will not be dictated to by Britain or any other when it comes to homosexuality laws, says Attorney General Adriel Brathwaite.
He told the DAILY NATION last night that the country’s laws were clear on this issue and would not be changed because of British threats.
You know that when a politician comes out so boastful and bombastic he is going to make a volte-face on the issue. Because, just like a serpent, he speaks with a forked tongue, and any promise by a politician should be taken with a pinch of salt or more fittingly in your case, put in a pipe and smoke it!
@millertheanunnaki
The AG sounds and looks stupid. I never knew there were ‘homosexuality laws’ in Barbados. Where in Barbados is there any law saying one could not be homosexual? I thought the law(s) referred to sodomy. By the way sodomy includes anal intercourse (whether involving two men, or a male and female), bestiality and ORAL sex. So there is a law against ‘sucking’ and ‘eating’ but certainly not homosexuality.
@ enuff:
Things real bad when a Commonwealth country places a person to function in the second most important, constitutionally speaking, post in the Executive Arm of State and finds difficulty in coming to grips with that country’s basic and rather controversial legislation.
By the way, fireside lawyer as you are, how can oral sex be deemed as sodomy; unless it involves speaking into a donkey’s mouth in a “rimsing” fashion, as you might know?
@ MTA..
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Just left the warmth for this freezer box ..but cannot be avoided, duty calls
The AG has to say exactly that for obvious reasons…..come on now…..cadear, he is a politician
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Enuff has explained it correctly so I really dont know what he (AG) is waxing about…..maybe he had some low grade stuff.
@Technician
Maybe he ought to try some “Columbian Gold”. Or is that old hat these days?
“Naked ambition and political cowardice
have sentenced our once-great nation to
AN ECONOMIC ARMAGEDDON
of biblical proportions.”
– Martin D. Weiss, Ph.D.
Should be a great read!
@ de hood….
With the kind of temperatures in Bim last couple of weeks, Bajan grown will be just as potent.
@Techy: “With the kind of temperatures in Bim last couple of weeks, Bajan grown will be just as potent.
Is that a reference to Ganja…
Or Faggots?
Techy… I think you’ll understand where I’m coming from (joke intended), while few others will.
“On the other hand, Zoe is a simple child sucking lollipops from any Judeo-Christian candy store. But I hope for his sake he does not join the band of little children in following the Pied Piper of Religious Mythology into a spiritual black hole.”
Nnaki-Nnaki, Man, You and other Egyptologist, Astrologists, and Occultists, have already followed “…the Pied Piper of Religious MYTHOLOGY* into the spiritual BLACK HOLE” Emphasis added
As Jesus said, who IS* the Eternal Personification of LIGHT*
“The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of LIGHT. BUT if your eye is BAD, your WHOLE body will be FULL* of DARKNESS. If therefore the light that is IN YOU IS* DARKNESS, how GREAT IS* that DARKNESS!” ( Matt. 6: 22,23 Emphasis added)
The paradox, Nnaki, is that folks like you, don’t even have the discernment, to recognize the DARKNESS, that sorrounds and engulphs you!!!
It is noteworthy how strident the AG has been quoted on the frontpage today. Why is it the AG is prepared to disregard international pressure in the case of homosexuality? Why not capital punishment as an example which comes to mind.
David Cameron is a cousin to the Queen, homosexuality is in the blood line.
He should not be threatening anyone. God and religion has nothing to do with it, people use the bible to justify their hatred of his practice but it all began with church in the first place! what a contradiction in terms eh!
The child abuse, child trafficking, child porn are all results of these people and their practices. This is the detestable facts about their practices, the peadophile rings all over europe, especially england -abused, dead and kidnapped children -snatched from their own families and never found. There is a whole history of it in England where this practice started in the first place.Especially when the jews came in the battle of hastings in 1066!
I would urge all barbadians to be aware of white men with cameras taking pictures of children around schools, on the beach where they are in a state of half-dress or even in schools because nobody knows what else they do with the copies they can make, the next thing you know – your child is missing. Just like Madeline Mccann in england and baby p. Read a website called ‘aangarfan’ to find out about the top people in england involved in peadophile rings then you will know why david cameron is even daring to open his mouth.
Judges, police, social workers, The jersey carehome scandal, the peoadophiles operating in Hackney england in the eighties. If you type in peadophiles you should get irish catholics – stemming from their ‘magdalene laundries, convent schools, church run care homes and jewish rabbis. Look at the website called ‘godsquad’ and see that child vitims of the past still haven’t had any justice from these freaks let alone the children from world war two. Take from england in the name of evacuation and taken to australia, canada, south africa, beaten, starved and sexually abused and used to start the ‘empire. They were told their parents were dead and given a new identity, The mothers were lied to and all correspondence from mother to carehome institutions in these countries were kept by jews. This was a act of church and state (the queen) deliberate, and those people still hven;t had any justice yet either.
David cameron is throwing his weight around and especially while europe is falling apart before everybodies eyes and protest groups (OWS) occupy wall st is taking off everywhere (look at their website too,
Black people should protest too against financial injustices, unfair taxes and the way you have to slave for pittance. Right across the islands thier should be peaceful rebellion. Untill greedy bankers and politicians with with families anf friends payback what they owe us all. THATS THE REAL ISSUES – GO CHECK THE FACTS AND MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. ALWAYS MIND THE CHILDREN
David Cameron is a cousin to the Queen, homosexuality is in the blood line.
He should not be threatening anyone. God and religion has nothing to do with it, people use the bible to justify their hatred of his practice but it all began with church in the first place! what a contradiction in terms eh!
The child abuse, child trafficking, child porn are all results of these people and their practices. This is the detestable facts about their practices, the peadophile rings all over europe, especially england -abused, dead and kidnapped children -snatched from their own families and never found. There is a whole history of it in England where this practice started in the first place.Especially when the jews came in the battle of hastings in 1066!
I would urge all barbadians to be aware of white men with cameras taking pictures of children around schools, on the beach where they are in a state of half-dress or even in schools because nobody knows what else they do with the copies they can make, the next thing you know – your child is missing. Just like Madeline Mccann in england and baby p. Read a website called ‘aangarfan’ to find out about the top people in england involved in peadophile rings then you will know why david cameron is even daring to open his mouth.
Judges, police, social workers, The jersey carehome scandal, the peoadophiles operating in Hackney england in the eighties. If you type in peadophiles you should get irish catholics – stemming from their ‘magdalene laundries, convent schools, church run care homes and jewish rabbis. Look at the website called ‘godsquad’ and see that child vitims of the past still haven’t had any justice from these freaks let alone the children from world war two. Take from england in the name of evacuation and taken to australia, canada, south africa, beaten, starved and sexually abused and used to start the ‘empire. They were told their parents were dead and given a new identity, The mothers were lied to and all correspondence from mother to carehome institutions in these countries were kept by jews. This was a act of church and state (the queen) deliberate, and those people still hven;t had any justice yet either.
David cameron is throwing his weight around and especially while europe is falling apart before everybodies eyes and protest groups (OWS) occupy wall st is taking off everywhere (look at their website too,
Black people should protest too against financial injustices, unfair taxes and the way you have to slave for pittance. Right across the islands thier should be peaceful rebellion. Untill greedy bankers and politicians with with families anf friends payback what they owe us all. THATS THE REAL ISSUES – GO CHECK THE FACTS AND MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
@Zoe: “The paradox, Nnaki, is that folks like you, don’t even have the discernment, to recognize the DARKNESS, that sorrounds and engulphs you!!!
To be perfectly honest, I believe you know the truth.
But the question must be asked: Have your read “The Prince” by Machiavelli?
Or “The Emperor’s New Mind” by Penrose?
It would *really* help if you could please try to keep up with modern thinking.
(IMHO, of course.)
David
You know the old people saying. . . . . “methinks he doth protest too much”. Maybe we have to find out just why he protests so much.
@ David | November 3, 2011 at 7:02 PM |
Well said!
Couldn’t want a clearer case of doublespeak and hypocrisy! This blowing of hot and cold only makes this country look rather stupid in the eyes of right-thinking and objective observers.
It is felt that a significant percentage of Bajans are all for the death penalty as it stands on the statute books but he can pontificate, without a mandate by way of a referendum, on its non-application during his watch citing the Country’s ratification of certain human rights convention as a reason for inaction. Should not two consenting adults be allowed to privately engage whatever sexual acts that tickles their fancy ( without causing harm or abuse to other parties) and be entitled to the same human rights umbrella as a person who willfully takes the life of another innocent citizen? Fairness dictates that both pieces of legislation should be amended simultaneously to reflect Barbados’ position on these matters within the context of its ratification of the various human rights accords.
@de hood: “You know the old people saying. . . . . “methinks he doth protest too much”.
But you don’t have the balls to say what you think.
Sucks to be a coward.
@ Bajan
“There is a whole history of it in England where this practice started in the first place.Especially when the jews came in the battle of hastings in 1066!”
The”English” culture, along with Judeo-Christian practices, have been the bedrock of the Bajan society influencing the whole range of interactions between the races and the behavioural conformity of the black masses.
Are you therefore implying that the “english” are to a large extent (and including the royal lineage) a bunch of perverts and molesters? If that is what you are saying, then it can be concluded that Bajans have been taught well and the ability to copy the “english” habits has been made into a fine art form. Maybe the statistics from the Child Care Board could shed some light on these “dark” secrets in the Bajan closet. If you go down the West Coast, don’t bend down to picket up a $100.00 dollar bill! The butt of a joke many Bajans who have travelled have to endure.
@millertheanunnaki… Let us please face the truth…
Why must we Bajans believe what you tell us we must believe?
Might you be lying to us???
Introduction Astrology is big business today. There are over l0,000 full-time astrologers and over l75,000 part-time astrologers in the United States. Over 2,000 newspapers carry daily astrological readings. Zodiac jewelry has become popular. Even restaurant table mats have horoscopes! We must understand the occult art of astrology because we face it all the time. . The History of Astrology. The Tower of Babel (Gen.ll:3-9) is the first mention in Scripture. Ancient Babylonian, Egyptian, Chinese forms of Astrology: The future of nations and kings was determined by the stars. Greek Astrology: through Ptolemy (l50 AD) it became a "science" and was applied to all men-not just kings. The Apostles and the Early Christian Church greatly weakened the influence of astrology by condemning it as a tool of satan and an occult art.
Astrology in the Middle Ages became a popular superstition as people grew ignorant of the Bible and true Christianity. F. The impact of Copernicus and later astronomers: Astrology and its earth-centered universe did not appeal to people once they knew that the planets circled the sun and not the earth. Astronomy took the place of astrology. G. The occult revolution of the late l800's: Astrology returned along with such things as seances, palm reading, ouija boards and other occult practices.
Present day astrology. "Slop" astrology is found in newspapers and on table mats. It is not worth the paper it is printed on. "Pop" astrology is found in astrological magazines or books. It is written for the masses and is worthless so far as any astrological predictions are concerned. "serious" astrology is only for those who have enough faith in it to pay huge sums of money to have their personal horoscope drawn up by a "professional" astrologer. some of the popular big name astrolgers charge around $10,000 for each horoscope.
Pertinent Historical Facts
It is an ancient pagan religion which involved the worship of the stars (II Kings l7:l6-l7; 23:4-5; Amos 5:26; Acts 7:39-43).
It has always gone "hand in glove" with the other occult arts (Isa. 47:l2-l4).
Astrologers have always been hostile to Biblical Christianity. There are no "Christian Astrologers." (II Kings l7:l6-l7; Acts l3:6- l2).
Our judgment of astrology. The scriptures condemn it as an abomination before god and an occult tool of satanic origin and power (Ii Kings L7:l6; 23:5; Isa. 47:l3; Amos 5:26). B. Astrology is not a science but only a superstition i.E., A fraud. The scientific evidence against astrology is irrefutable. Present day astrologers are still using ptolemy's earth-centered horoscope. The facts are that this solar system is heliocentric . The contradiction is irrefutable. Ptolemy assumed the flat earth theory and thus developed the belt of signs in the zodiac. The earth is a sphere. Ptolemy developed a zodiac with seven signs. These signs included the sun and moon as "stars." Present day charts still use ptolemy's basic zodiac.
Such planets as pluto, neptune and uranus were not originally included because they were not discovered until the invention of the telescope.
Without all the "stars" of this solar system, all the horoscopes have been off. What about all the other constellations now known? Why and how is astrology accurate if it does not take into account modern astronomy? Above the latitude 66 degrees, we cannot calculate what point of the zodiac is ascending on the horizon. This renders astrological predictions impossible for those living above the latitude 66 degrees. .
Conclusion The romance of the stars is a dangerous game. You should not read or participate with any occult tools of satanic power and origin.
Astronomy is a scientific discipline, ASTROLOGY, IS* an Occultic, Satanically, driven, dangerous practice!
@ Zoe:
“Astronomy is a scientific discipline, ASTROLOGY, IS* an Occultic, Satanically, driven, dangerous practice!”
Now be careful here, little one! You are about to innocently crossover into a sphere that is outside your current realm of understanding or reasoning. Fools go where angels fear to tread!
The science of Astronomy might just open up your mind and you might become an apostate. Your eyes might be opened and you might become a god after eating from the tree of knowledge.
We don’t want the child to grow up to quickly and then start asking “big people” questions, do we?
Stay in your little cocoon and don’t venture out seeking knowledge through an astronomical telescope because what you see might shock you out of your myopic Bible Genesis story and what will be revealed before your very eyes might be the abode of the very gods (those who came from the sky) that genetically manipulated your ancestors in the garden.
Stay away, child! Don’t get burn with the fire of knowledge or you will never be the same again!
@Halsall,
“To be perfectly honest, I believe you know the truth.”
Yes, I do KNOW the TRUTH, You should get to know HIM* too!
“But the question must be asked: Have your read “The Prince” by Machiavelli?”
I leave that kind of deviousness, for minds like yours!
“Or “The Emperor’s New Mind” by Penrose?”
Again, your voidless mind needs Penrose
“It would *really* help if you could please try to keep up with modern thinking.”
I do, I listen to the FOLLY, that comes from thinkers like YOU, and your ilk!
@Nnaki,
“Don’t get burn with the fire of knowledge or you will never be the same again!”
I don’t intend to, I leave that Occultic enterprise, for ‘children’ of DARKNESS, DECEPTION, and LIES, like YOU!
Christopher Halsall | November 3, 2011 at 8:03 PM |
“@millertheanunnaki… Let us please face the truth…”
This is a piece of invaluable advice that should be directed at “Bajans”
The Father of Independence- EWB- admonished them to do the same (mirror image speech?). But like ostriches they keep burying their heads in the sand of hypocrisy.
Statistics can be manipulated by the compiler and facts distorted by the user. But Truth is a recurring decimal like the golden ratio or divine proportion called phi.
“A politician uses statistics like a drunken man uses a lamp post. Not for illumination but as support for a shaky stance”.
These Bible thumping apostolates are always talking abut TRUTH and DARKNESS and LIGHT yet they themselves continue to wallow in DARKNESSS . it is utterly incomprehensible that in this day and age they continue to shut out the knowledge of things seen and proven about the universe and its existence that has been revealed to man.How can a person shed Light on any thing that they have no knowledge of
The ancient astrologers wer a forced to be reckon with. There were look upon with great reverence and respect . They were so important that they were fondly called “ANGELS” mainly Heavenly as they could tell from the SUN, MOON and Stars most of everything that that was going to happen on the earth .whether it be good or bad. Most people knowing or have read
about the birth of Jesus could connect te story to A STAR or the angels a symbol of astrology. Throughout the bible the word angel or angels is very common and note they were the ones to bring the news to a city a person or town Why was that because the knew well how to forecast the future through the planetary eyes in the sky.
@CH
Well you got the answers to your queries to Zoe. So are you satisfied with the answers?
And, no, I am unable to write or speak “proper” English. I is only know de local dialec whichin I is tort. Yuh seh I is only went school in de Augus muntas hey in Bim (dat is when de edder schools does close for summer, effen yuh eh know dat). So I is be hopin yuh could onderstan wey ah is comin frum?
Also, yes, I is de biggess coward hey in Bim. Yuh now fine out dat?
@ Zoe:
“don’t intend to, I leave that Occultic enterprise, for ‘children’ of DARKNESS, DECEPTION, and LIES, like YOU!”
Be careful how you speak to your spiritual elders, young man!
Some day in many incarnations from now I might be your commanding officer on board the good ship Enterprise and you might be just my love child called “Wesley Crusher’ whom I have to groom and teach the ropes, or should I say the stars!
@Nnaki, On your present course of ‘Distruction’ filled with ‘child-like’ fantasies, of the Star Ship ‘Enterpise’ you’re IN* for a lot of “Roasting” ahead of where you’re heading! NO LIGHT where you are going! Absolute, OUTER DARKNESS, man!
@Bajan
There is a whole history of it in England where this practice started in the first place.Especially when the jews came in the battle of hastings in 1066!”
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The jews? Well history wasn’t my favourite subject all along I thought it was the Normans ,the longer you live the more you learn.
What is the Nation and this Dear person really saying?
http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/dear-cash-in-gay-tourism
@Nnaki, et al deceived travellers, journying on one of Satan’s ‘star’ ship’s into oblivious ultimate DARKNESS, be warned by the following expose!
A Christian View on
the Practice of Spiritualism
The main attraction, for many people to the practice of spiritualism, is the professed ability to contact the dead. Many spiritualists are normally acting out of genuine motives and feel that they are doing good by helping those who are grieving by putting them in touch with their departed loved ones. People are often amazed at the supernatural display of information that is channelled through the medium about the departed person whom they have sought to make contact with. The supposed spirit of the departed, speaking through the medium, will give intricate details of the persons life and have access to details that only that dead relative could have possibly known. This is enough for some people to convince them that they really are speaking to a departed loved one. Because people are so desperate to be in the company of the person they miss, many do not question that there may be another reason for the things that they are hearing and experiencing.
I heard a story a long time ago, and although I unable to provide references for it, think it is worth telling anyway. I once heard of a family who were convinced that a relative they had lost contact with in another country was dead. They sought to contact him through a spiritualist medium and were pleased to discover that they were able to make contact with him. The deceased relative proved to them that it was really him by detailing his life and knowledge of deeply personal family events. The dead relative further convinced them that it was truly him even down to peculiar personal habits and quirky personality traits. They continued these sessions with the medium for some time until a surprising thing happened. Out of the blue, the `dead relative’ turned up alive! He wasn’t dead at all, but was alive and well and had been living in another country! The natural question in the mind of the family was therefore, “What on earth was the thing we were talking to that was pretending to be this dead relative of ours?” Good question.
Journalist, Joe Fisher (not a Christian), embarked on a 5 year study of mediums, spiritualists, and spirit guides. After becoming discouraged by some of the conflicting facts the guides gave him he meets up with a former member of the spiritualist group that he was an active member in. The former member, Sandford Ellison, had previously offered to tell Fisher of the “other side” of the story of the spirit guides. After explaining to Fisher how the spirits had nearly utterly destroyed his marriage, and enslaved him, he was left to conclude:
“Who, or what, are these beings?” Sandford asked rhetorically. “It’s very difficult to say. I do know they were right inside Aviva [i.e. the medium] from the way her facial expression would change. They would even laugh through her. I tend to feel that they are lower astral entities who play on human frailty and feed on our energy and our emotions. They often dazzled with their remarkable knowledge and acute perceptions but they had nothing but contempt for us.” (Joe Fisher, Siren Call of Hungry Ghosts, p. 252. Click here for book review).
The Bible describes a supernatural world that is inhabited by many spirits, which do indeed have contempt for humanity:
“For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.” (Eph. 6:12).
The truth is that messages that are meant to come from the dead are actually from deceiving spirits who are familiar with the departed. Indeed, Isaiah 29:4 calls such a spirit a “familiar spirit” (KJV). These spirits are highly intelligent manipulative beings that have supernatural knowledge of events and people. They are able to impersonate anyone they so desire. Even from my own experience, prior to becoming a Christian, when I was practising occult activities, a girl I was involved with who had many spirits speaking through her, could impersonate virtually any person and character (see My Story for more on this). Such spirits will give a person whatever it is they want to hear and dance them a merry tune to satisfy their itching ears. If you want a dead relative, one will be produced for you. An extraterrestrial from another dimension? No problem. Some sort of a god, angel, or whatever? Something will come up suited just for your requirements. The Bible says that the Devil masquerades as an “angel of light”, should a person so desire it (see: 2 Corinthians 11:14) and that when he speaks he misleads with lies (see: John 8:44). The truth is that the spirits that pretend to be departed loved ones are actually evil spirits that are hostile to humanity and God alike.
Many Christians are surprised when they encounter spiritualists who profess to be Christians themselves. This branch of spiritualism labels itself “Christian” by meeting in a “Spiritualist Church”, singing hymns at their meetings, and having such things as crosses and Bible’s on display in the building. However, although some spiritualist churches are covered in a veneer of Christian trappings, this does not make spiritualism compatible with the Christian faith. On the contrary, the Bible explicitly forbids attempted contact with the dead (Deuteronomy 18:11). The Bible states that the dead do not have contact with the living (Luke 16:19-31). “Christian” Spiritualism is therefore an attempt to make spiritualism more acceptable and comfortable to those in the West who are familiar with Christianity to some degree or another. But the only thing Christian about Christian Spiritualism is that it has the name “Christian” in its title! A true Christian church does not seek to contact the dead as such a practice is diametrically opposed to the teachings of the Bible. A Christian Church obeys what the Bible says when it forbids attempts to contact spirits which claim to be the dead, but which are in reality demons, the enemies of God.
Spiritualism is a cruel hoax because it ensnares well meaning people, who are usually vulnerable and grieving, into a world of lies and deception. Instead of making contact with a departed loved one people are actually making contact with manipulative evil spirits called demons. The more involved people get with spiritualism the deeper they go down a slippery pit away from God.
If you are involved in spiritualism and are looking for a way out, you need to repent of spiritualism and call upon the Lord Jesus Christ. He is able to set you free from the control of any supernatural powers.
External link:
Article written by a former spiritualist: Spiritualism: Satan’s Tool.
@Bajan……..you are an embarrassment why don’t you go and get your facts straight instead of showing how illiterate you are or shut to fcuk up!
David | November 4, 2011 at 5:18 AM |
That if Bajans want to continue living big life they will have to bite the bull(et) and sell their cornwell. The “workers” up Bush Hill used to do a roaring business, some earning as much a $600.00 per night (don’t ask me how I know- I heard so, OK?). Compare that with the “simple living within her means” morally upright shop or petrol station attendant.
The motto is: If you have champagne taste and a mauby pocket you will have to set aside your morality to make up the difference. The days of borrowing foreign money to finance sweet life are over! Live within your means or suffer the moral consequences (beg, thief or borrow -no longer on)!
Zoe | November 4, 2011 at 7:19 AM |
“The Bible describes a supernatural world that is inhabited by many spirits, which do indeed have contempt for humanity:”
Use your “god-given” common sense and try to query the following:
Since your god created everything under the sun including the universe you should query your god and ask him why did he create these wicked, evil, demonic beings.
Why does your god treat human beings (like you like) as toys in a constant battle with the devil over control of the minds of human beings (like you).
Your god is responsible for all this wickedness called sin.
Stop blaming the devil! The poor fellow has no choice but to carry out the instructions of his creator and manipulator.
millertheanunnaki | November 4, 2011 at 7:46 AM |………I totally agree with you !
Spiritualism, and a few of many passages from God’s Word, the Bible, on His condemnation of such vile practices.
1 John 4:1
“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.”
Isaiah 8:19
“And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?”
Leviticus 19:31
“Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.”
Revelation 21:8
“But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
1 Timothy 4:1
“Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,”
Leviticus 20:6
“If a person turns to mediums and necromancers, whoring after them, I will set my face against that person and will cut him off from among his people.”
NO LIE, is of the TRUTH! God’s Word, IS* His absolute TRUTH, exposing and revealing the diabolical LIES and DECEPTION of Satan, as he masquerades under a multiplicity of ‘religious’ and other methods of DECEIT, expressly for the purpose of carrying many into Hell!
@Nnaki et al, One CANNOT reason the ways of Almighty God, who IS* Holy, Righteous, in ALL of His decrees, with humanistic, tainted, common sense!
The Origin of Satan
Lucifer and other Fallen Angels
Who was Lucifer?
Lucifer was the Anointed Cherub. Anointed means to be set apart for Gods Divine purpose. It also means “bestowal of Gods divine favor”, and “appointment to a special place or function.”
God had given Satan a certain amount of power and authority. But he perverted that power. Lucifer wanted to exalt himself above God… rather than “just” being the Angel of God.
If God is so good, then why did he create Satan?
Lucifer was created perfect in all his ways, but iniquity was found in him. It was not put there by God. Lucifer created it.
( this is found in Ezekiel 28:15 )
Like man, the angels were created perfect, and with a free will.
Satan was lifted up because of his beauty, he corrupted the wisdom by reason of his brightness (This is in Ezekiel 28:17)
Ezekiel 28:12 (KJV)
“Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.”
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.”
This is not an earthly king, as the word “cherub” is only used in references to angels.
15 “Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.”
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
The word “covering” is from the Hebrew word cakak, and means: to entwine, to fence in, cover over, protect, defend, hedge in, (source “The complete word study Old Testament”)
Was Lucifer’s job to protect the very earth he corrupted? Was this one of his duties that gave him so much pride?
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
0 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Question:
“Where does Satan and the fall fit into all of this? He must have been cast down before Adam and Eve were created because he was there to tempt Eve in the Garden? Was there, could there have been, a pre-Adamic age – and surly this would have been a catastrophic event?
Answer:
Satan was cast out of heaven after Adam and Eve were created, because God said the Creation was still “very good” on day 6 after man had been created.
There was nothing and no one here before Adam and Eve. Read my page disproving the Gap Theory for more information.
Isaiah 14:12
“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Satan wanted to be God. The Bible tells us in 2nd Corinthians 4:4 that Satan has become the “god of this world”. And Revelation 20:10 tells us that he will be eternally punished for it.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
When Lucifer was cast out of Heaven, one third of all the angels were cast out with him. (Rev.12:4,9)
Revelation 12:4-9 (King James Version) “And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
(5) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
(6)And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
(7)And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, (8)And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(9)And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
Lucifer became Satan, and the fallen angels became Demons.
Why didn’t God just destroy Satan?
Because sin had entered the world, and into the very nature of man through Adams transgression, then for God to destroy Satan, he would also have had to destroy the man he loved. But God had a better way. A way of Redemption.
And Christ the Redeemer was on His way !
What does Satan look like?
We’ve all seen pictures of Satan portrayed as a hoofed creature, red in color.. with little horns on his head.
But this description is not Biblical. The hoofed being we usually see is actually closer to that of “Pan” from Greek mythology.
Perhaps Satan wants this image of himself to be used, because of its absurdity. Knowing that the day would come when God and the Devil would both be dismissed as “mythical”
Revelation 12:3 speaks of the red horned dragon. This is not Satan himself, but a reference to him from where these physical attributes possibly originate.
Revelation 12:3 (KJV)
And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
The Book of “Ezekiel” tells us what Lucifer really looked like before he sinned.
Lucifer was a being “of perfect beauty”. He was covered in every precious stone. He had pendants and jewels of gold…
Lucifer was beautiful before he sinned. An expression of Gods own beauty and power. But like man, Lucifer’s very nature changed when he sinned. His (Lucifer’s) physical appearance may have as well.
When did Lucifer fall from Heaven? It was not before day 6 like many people believe (those who believe the “Gap Theory” wrongly claim this). The Bible tells us that Lucifer was in Eden (which was created on day 6) and was still without sin on that day.
Ezekiel 28:13 (KJV)
“Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.”
In the literature of our society, Satan is almost always shown in robes of red. Some believe that the color of an angels robes are symbolic of their rank in heaven. I am unaware of a scripture to support this however.
There is a coming judgment of Satan and his angels.
2 Peter 2:4 (KJV)
“For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [the Greek word here is "tartarus"], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;”
Jude 1:6 (KJV)
“And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”
In the day of judgment “…the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
John 17: talks of the time of judgment, the prince of this world will be driven out.
Hell was not made for man. Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels. But those who do not receive Christ as their Lord and Savior will be sent to Hell, and have their part in the lake of fire.
Satan is “the god of this world” he ” has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the Gospel of the Glory of Christ” ( 2 Corinthians 4;4)
Satan is a liar. The Bible tells us he is the father of all lies.
John 8:44 (KJV)
“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
He will deceive man in any way he can. Some are deceived by the New Age Movement, others are deceived by Humanists, Evolutionary lies, etc.
millertheanunnaki | November 4, 2011 at 7:46 AM |
Zoe | November 4, 2011 at 7:19 AM |
“The Bible describes a supernatural world that is inhabited by many spirits, which do indeed have contempt for humanity:”
Use your “god-given” common sense and try to query the following:
Since your god created everything under the sun including the universe you should query your god and ask him why did he create these wicked, evil, demonic beings.
Why does your god treat human beings (like you like) as toys in a constant battle with the devil over control of the minds of human beings (like you).
Your god is responsible for all this wickedness called sin.
Stop blaming the devil! The poor fellow has no choice but to carry out the instructions of his creator and manipulator.
WOW!!
Let me see Zoe and his ilk try to hook this yorker.
Should be interesting, if the sidestepping and usual ‘free will red herrings’ aren’t employed…….take it away guys.
@David
What is the Nation and this Dear person really saying?
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When he speaks of “sex tourism” is he aware of the negative connotation associated with this industry? I hope the Nation asked a few follow up questions.
Then he spoke of “liquid cash”, I think he has to arrive in the 21st century, there was a time when large Corporations courted the “gay dollar” since gay couples were considered part of the DINK generation (Double Income No Kids) and had disposable income. Times have changed many gays have children either natural born, adopted or in vitro fertilization, and gays are facing the recession just like the rest of us.
Judging by the many comments of a religious nature on this thread, I think I can say that folks are trying to “pray away the gay”
Holy is the Lord, God Almighty – Part 2
Isaiah 6:3 “Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty; the whole earth is full of his glory.”
What hinders us from denying self, taking up our cross (crucifying our sin) daily and following Jesus in total dedication and devotion in holy sanctification? What is still shutting out the light and hiding the face of God from us? A.W. Tozer writes that it is the veil of our fleshly, fallen nature living on, unjudged within us, uncrucified and unrepudiated, an enemy to our lives and an effective block to our spiritual progress. This veil is woven of the fine threads of the self-life, the hyphenated sins of the human spirit. To be specific, the self-sins are self-confidence, self-pity, self-righteousness, self-sufficiency, self-admiration, self-indulgent, self-love, with self-opinion and a host of others. They are not something we do, they are something we are, and therein lies both their subtlety an their power. Edwards adds that Self-love and its lusts keep the eyes so caught up only upon themselves that their minds are taken up with self and the admiration of their experiences. What they are chiefly excited about is not the glory of God or the beauty of Christ but the thrill of their own experiences. The fundamental object of holy gracious spiritual affections is the glory of God, so in no way can these affections be conceived to bear any relation to self or self-interest. The fundamental basis of holy gracious affections is the transcendent excellence and loveable nature of divine things. Christian love particularly is the spring of all gracious affections. Yet it is the divine moral excellency and glory of God in Jesus Christ, the Word of God, the works of God and the ways of God that are the primary reason a true saint loves these things. By the moral perfections of God they mean those attributes which God exercises as a moral agent: His righteousness, truth, faithfulness, justice, mercy, grace, goodness, love and holiness (What He does). By God’s natural attributes, according to the way of conceiving Him, that consists of His greatness, His omnipotent power, omniscient knowledge, His eternal being, His omnipresence, and His awesome majesty (Who He is). The moral excellence of an intelligent being, when it is true and real, and not merely external or counterfeit, is ‘holiness’. It is the only true virtue.
Zoe …….SHUT UP not many (only Lemule and De hood) will read your religious rantings and you make no sense AT ALL!
@islandgal246 | November 4, 2011 at 9:20 AM. Amen. But the Bat Cave has opened and let Zoe out and he is not going to listen to you.
@ Zoe:
“Lucifer was created perfect in all his ways, but iniquity was found in him.”
“Where does Satan and the fall fit into all of this? He must have been cast down before Adam and Eve were created because he was there to tempt Eve in the Garden?”
“then for God to destroy Satan, he would also have had to destroy the man he loved.”
“God had given Satan a certain amount of power and authority. But he perverted that power. Lucifer wanted to exalt himself above God… rather than “just” being the Angel of God. ”
Do you really understand what you read and reproduce through your scissors and glue technique? The more you write the more you make your god look like a fallible, indecisive, insecure and lonely creature who always have to look behind his back to see who is plotting to overthrow him. There seems to be always a state of emergency in the house of god in which angels are plotting against this aged dictator in cahoots with the former henchman who now has a large following in the form of sinners made from the defective and gullible human mould in the garden but now answering to the desires of the flesh and other goodies provided by this breakaway manipulative tyrant called Satan.
If you are sure the Bible is a true and accurate account of mankind’s creation and existence then there ought to be no “maybe, perhaps, possible” emanating from you.
Did your god create Evil? Yes or NO?
Please do not refer to the Book of Ezekiel! Or you might just find out that your god is an extraterrestrial being alighting from a spacecraft and returning to his human creations to admonish them.
Why would God give us free will anyway?
Analogy: A boy goes to a prom with a magic wish. He considers this: “I could wish that 10 young ladies of my choosing suddenly and irresistible fall in love with me. They will be smitten with me, swoon when I speak, and laugh at all my jokes until midnight.” He thinks for a moment and shakes his head. He chooses instead to take his chances on 9 girls rejecting him, just so he may have one girl freely choose to accept his dance.
CS Lewis – Mere Christianity:
“God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go either wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong; I cannot. If a thing is free to be good it is also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata-of creatures that worked like machines-would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they must be free.”
I contend that only free will makes love possible at all. God loves us of His free will, an He rejoices when we choose to love Him.
@Annaki, Man, your ‘natural’ ignorance, ‘de pseukekos anthropos’ is grossly manifested in your utter spiritual ‘inability’ to UNDERSTAND the things of God, as revealed in His Word, the Bible!
“If you are sure the Bible is a true and accurate account of mankind’s creation and existence then there ought to be no “maybe, perhaps, possible” emanating from you.
Did your god create Evil? Yes or NO?”
NO, Almighty God of historic divine revelation, did NOT create Evil!
“And God called the dry land Earth. and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was GOOD.” (Gen. 1:10).
NOTE: “Was GOOD” is the divine approval formula that will occur SEVEN times to emphasize Creation’s quality and aptness for its purpose. It stands in CONTRAST to the condition described following the fall, into SIN, from wilfully CHOOSEN disobedience in Chapter 3!
The endarkened minds and souls, held CAPTIVE, by the father of ALL LIES, Satan, as so glaringly demonstrated here by the BU Scoffers and ‘Bildge Pumpers’ is apt testimony, that the ‘natural’ man/woman, ‘de pseukikos anthropos’ does NOT*, will NOT*, and CANNOT* fathom, nor understand, the things of the ‘Spirit’ of God, for they ARE FOOLISHNESS to them! Period!
Thus, “Because, although they knew God, they did NOT glorify Him* as God, nor were thankful, but became FUTILE in their thoughts, and their FOOLISH hearts were DARKENED.” (v.23)
“Professing themselves ( Annaki et al!) to be wise, they became FOOLS.” ( Rom. 1: 21-23 Emphasis added)
FUTILE, from verse 23, Gk. ‘matainoo’ means, ‘To make empty, VAIN, FOOLISH, useless, confused. The word describes the PERVERTED logic and IDOLATROUS presumption of those who do not honor God or show Him and gratitude for His blessings on humanity.
So it be!
Lots of sidestepping….
Salsa anyone
Zoe | November 4, 2011 at 10:56 AM |
O, Almighty God of historic divine revelation, did NOT create Evil!”
Hurray! Hurray! Zoe has finally given a simple answer to a straight forward question. I give you 100% and immediately promote you to 2nd form. You were about to be superannuated but managed to save your bacon just in time!
From your answer one can only conclude that your god has a serious competitor who is just as powerful or even more influential over human beings. For this competing god (Devil) to create such a pervasive dominant force called “Evil” there must have been some truce, some form of “entente cordiale”, a concession resulting from some form of defeat suffered by your god. As the present score goes (your god 1 (you) and the devil 7 billion and counting, it would require a nuclear explosion of cataclysmic proportion similar to a large asteroid impact to level the playing field and Reveal the real Conqueror.
@millertheanunnaki
Seems to me that you know the exact buttons to push on Zoe to get him “activated”.
Caswell Franklyn -
“It was the British who introduced homosexuality to Barbados ……………”
Mr C. Franklyn is correct ,see the two(2) video clips above,
Perhaps the Prime Minister of the UK was asleep when HM The Queen made her opening speech at CHOGM 2011 “…………The theme this year is, ‘Women as Agents of Change’. It reminds us of the potential in our societies that is yet to be fully unlocked, and it encourages us to find ways to allow all girls and women to play their full part…….”
@ Amused :
@Casewell. “It was the British who introduced homosexuality to Barbados…..” Specifics please. When was this, name the parties, provide the political decision by Britain. Otherwise, we will have to assume that you made this up.
Amused please watch the video below.
see Afikans vs the imposing homosexual agenda 4 & 5 above.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4ybow3Hjoc .
see part 5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4ybow3 Hjoc
WARNINGTO RELIGIOUS BIGOTS and Closet Racist
Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, You SHALL not enter the Kingdom of HEAVEN.
Ummm…
@ ZOE…
Not much of choice then, is it?
You choose one you get everything “good.”
You choose the next, you get everything “bad.”
Now WHAT kind of a choice is that? OF COURSE people will want to choose the “good” one!
I think God should be a powerful enough being to exist, whether people believe in him/her/it or not! Since he/she/it created us, he/she/it doesn’t necessarily NEED belief in order to do what he/she/it has to do!
It should be up to US to do what we have to do to be the best we can be to each other, whether God tell us to or not! We are HERE. NOW. We should make the best of it, and be respectful and helpful to each other. Isn’t that why he/she/it created us?
Prosecutions for Sodomy in England at the Beginning of the Nineteenth Century
A. D. Harvey:
” in one year, 1806, there were more executions for sodomy than for murder. Nevertheless, it was the case that in the first third of the nineteenth century trials and executions for sodomy were much commoner than they had been in any earlier period.”
The Raid on Mother Clap’s Molly House
1726
Rictor Norton :
” On a Sunday night in February, 1726,1 a squadron of police constables converged upon the molly house kept by Mother Clap in Field Lane, Holborn, tucked away between an arch on one side and the Bunch o’Grapes tavern on the other. All the avenues of escape being blocked, by the early morning hours the rooms had been emptied of forty homosexual men – ‘mollies’ or ‘notorious Sodomites’ in the language of the day – who were rounded up and hauled off to Newgate prison to await trial. By the end of the month several more molly houses had been similarly raided, and more mollies imprisoned.”
Cleveland Street scandal
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
” The Cleveland Street scandal occurred in 1889, when a homosexual male brothel in Cleveland Street, Fitzrovia, London, was discovered by police. At the time, sexual acts between men were illegal in Britain, and the brothel’s clients faced possible prosecution and certain social ostracism if discovered. It was rumoured that one of the brothel’s clients was Prince Albert Victor, who was the eldest son of the Prince of Wales and second-in-line to the British throne. The government was accused of covering up the scandal to protect the names of any aristocratic patrons.
One of the clients, Lord Arthur Somerset, was an equerry to the Prince of Wales. He and the brothel keeper, Charles Hammond, managed to flee abroad before a prosecution could be brought.”
@ sheep | November 5, 2011 at 11:09 AM |
Only goes to show that the pratice of homosexuality knows no bounds in respect of race, class, gender, culture, geographical location or period of time in human existence.
Time we so-called educated Bajans take a more enlightened approach to this phenomenon!
Barbados does not have an anti homosexuality law, we have an anti buggery law, so its not gender specific, it is act specific and of course this law is not enforced how can it be whenmost persons male or female who engage in anal sex do it in privacy. We cannot change a law we don’t have its just common sense.
@ Stardust
How ironic that the British brought homosexuality and Christianity too.
Here I was thinking Sodom & Gomorrah were situated in Canaan i.e present day Middle East and the sexual ‘deviance’ practiced there would be far easier exported to its neighbour Africa than Britain.
And for all the Bible thumping zealots, it would appear not only homosexuality is unrighteous.
1 Corinthians 6: 9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
@ enuff | November 6, 2011 at 6:42 AM |
What a sweet dose of medicine called “reality check” you have prescribed for the hypocrites always hiding behind the Bible.
I am certain the if they dare swallow the serum of “Truth” they will be purged of the constipated biblical story book crap fed to them by the same English they so vehemently maligned as exporters of homosexuality and perversion. Maybe a reading of the story of David & Jonathan as told in the First Book of Samuel chp. 20: 1-42 might open their mouths to a bit of serum made from the stem of Jesse an ancestor of the legendary star boy Yeshua in the mythical Jewish play called the Passion.
Folks its Sunday and perhaps the hostilities can cease for awhile but I like a god “bassa bassa” so to all concerned here a story about Buddy and Pedro.
Ah gone
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1081894–same-sex-penguin-pair-fascinates-zookeepers
millertheanunnaki
Didn’t the same Britain withheld aid and trade from South Africa, because of what they deemed to be inappropriate legislation/policy?
the church has already said their peace on “Homosexuality” in that they send down “fire and brimstone on homosexuals while the world send “Peace and Love” are they “two Gods” chose which one ye shall serve.
@enuff
You make a good point if we accept that the bible gives all sin equal weight.
It seems Christians have bought in to the very relativist tendency it criticizes by giving different weight to different sin in the way the Courts would give a different sentence to different crime.
Sargeant | November 6, 2011 at 9:56 AM |
“Folks its Sunday and perhaps the hostilities can cease for awhile but I like a god “bassa bassa” so to all concerned here a story about Buddy and Pedro.”
Yes, a day true christian believers should deem “sacred’ and make their sacrifice in the form of “Jesus’”on the altar (cross +) of the Sun God.
If you want a better insight into the sexual deviance of humans then observe their 95% + DNA relatives called the “Bonobos” in action.
Irreligion, evolutionary belief, UFOlogy and other pseudoscience
See also: Evolution, Liberalism, Atheism, and Irrationality
Carl SaganThe notions of extraterrestrial life and UFOlogy are fast growing pseudoscientific religions which are perpetuated and/or substantially aided by the ideologies of evolutionists, atheists, liberals and other promoters of quackery.[3][4] However, the ideologies of extraterrestrial life, UFOlogy, exobiology, evolution and abiogenesis are anti-biblical ideas which are not supported by sound science.[5][6]
The agnostic and liberal Carl Sagan, an avid smoker of marijuana who claimed that marijuana gave him scientific insights, was a prominent peddler of extraterrestial life, evolution and other pseudoscientific nonsense.[7]
Irreligious/atheistic France and the Soviet Union and UFOlogy
Astronomer Dr. Hugh Ross indicates that ninety-nine percent of what people have told him were UFOs, experienced astronomers can identify as a star, cluster, or other object in the night sky. The 1 percent of sightings, which he calls residual UFOs, have attracted his attention. [8] According to Dr. Ross very few astronomers have seen “residual UFOs”.[8]
The following Toledo Blade newspaper excerpt[8] summarizes Dr. Ross’s findings:
“ In 1969, however, Dr. Ross met two astronomers who were having regular UFO encounters. Both also happened to be involved in occult activity.
Upon investigation, Dr. Ross consistently found a connection between occult involvement and residual UFO encounters. For example, he said, countries with a high degree of occult activity such as Russia during the Soviet era, France, and certain parts of Brazil also had high percentages of UFO encounters. During Russia’s Soviet period when every expression of religion except occult activity had been outlawed, he said, “Russians were seeing UFOs at five to eight times the rate Americans were.
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When one plays with such Demonic ‘Occultic’ activity, Satan will bring you every kind of deception, imaginable!
Just listen to Nnaki! And the rancid nonsense he believes IN!
@ Zoe:
“Just listen to Nnaki! And the rancid nonsense he believes IN!”
I prefer to believe in the existence of extraterrestrial life albeit in different forms than the baby jesus pap found in Genesis which expect intelligent humans to accept that we are all descended from a murderer who had to be incestuous in order to procreate. Why would your god create in 6 days billions of billions of stars and planets and not carry out similar life designing experiments and he and his cronies mythologically did with major defects in some garden; ergo man!
There is certainly more merit and scientific appeal (even the Vatican accepts the possibility of extraterrestrial life) than the child-like stories from the Jewish collection of stage plays adopted by Europeans to trick, enslave and brainwash naive unsuspecting groups mainly from gullible Africa. It’s ironic that the institutional vehicle used to peddle this religious opiate is effectively controlled by racists, homosexuals passing of as celibates, known paedophiles and money hungry showmen.
Ha!!!haa!! Haa!!
Quoting millertheanunnaki | November 6, 2011 at 5:09 PM | “the baby jesus pap found in Genesis”
Jesus is not mentioned in Genesis. As a maatter of fact he is not mentioned anywhere in the Old Testatament.
Cuh dear millertheannunnaki if you are going to comment at least read the Bible, or at least a chapter or 2.
Random Thoughts | November 6, 2011 at 5:52 PM |
“Jesus is not mentioned in Genesis. As a matter of fact he is not mentioned anywhere in the Old Testament.”
The use of the term “baby jesus pap” was used to convey the simplistic and puerile stories told in that first book of volume 1 of Jewish “(f)airy-like” tales.
But I am sure Zoe will disagree with you! According to Zoe Jesus along with the 2 other members of the god-head (1in3 and in1 god formula) was there when Adam was designed, Eve extracted by Caesarian means- sorry not Caesar (he was not around until later) but Serpentine (caduceus like) skills. As far as Zoe is concerned Baby Jesus was at the beginning of things, no mother to suckle just father and holy ghost to feed him pap.
But can’t I also exercise a bit of poetic licence just like the writers of myth and legend and glaring inconsistencies as done in the same book of Genesis. “Adam & Eve had sex and produced 2 boy children. One name Cain and the other called Abel. Jealous Cain killed the favourite Abel and fled to the Land of Nod where he found a wife” as told in chapter 4 of the same book. Now where in the previous chapters of the book was there mention of a sister or other female before taking a wife. What would you a grown man, intellectually and spiritually matured, conclude from this bedtime story?
Listen, this tale of Cain and Abel is as old as Sumeria and can be found in many ancient cultures long before these Jewish story tellers came along.
Quoting millertheanunnaki “Now where in the previous chapters of the book was there mention of a sister or other female before taking a wife. What would you a grown man, intellectually and spiritually matured, conclude from this bedtime story?”
I would conclude that much of the text is anti-woman and that men deliberately wrote women out ot the text, or as we say when we were childrenthe men out-out the women, therefore I would conclude that much of the text was written by men and not by God.
I don’t think that a God who created men and women in his image would then proceed to largely write women out of the text.
Smell like men’s doings to me.
Evidence for the Resurrection
by Josh McDowell
For centuries many of the world’s distinguished philosophers have assaulted Christianity as being irrational, superstitious and absurd. Many have chosen simply to ignore the central issue of the resurrection. Others have tried to explain it away through various theories. But the historical evidence just can’t be discounted.
A student at the University of Uruguay said to me. “Professor McDowell, why can’t you refute Christianity?”
“For a very simple reason,” I answered. “I am not able to explain away an event in history–the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”
How can we explain the empty tomb? Can it possibly be accounted for by any natural cause?
A QUESTION OF HISTORY
After more than 700 hours of studying this subject, I have come to the conclusion that the resurrection of Jesus Christ is either one of the most wicked, vicious, heartless hoaxes ever foisted on the minds of human beings–or it is the most remarkable fact of history.
Here are some of the facts relevant to the resurrection: Jesus of Nazareth, a Jewish prophet who claimed to be the Christ prophesied in the Jewish Scriptures, was arrested, was judged a political criminal, and was crucified. Three days after His death and burial, some women who went to His tomb found the body gone. In subsequent weeks, His disciples claimed that God had raised Him from the dead and that He appeared to them various times before ascending into heaven.
From that foundation, Christianity spread throughout the Roman Empire and has continued to exert great influence down through the centuries.
LIVING WITNESSES
The New Testament accounts of the resurrection were being circulated within the lifetimes of men and women alive at the time of the resurrection. Those people could certainly have confirmed or denied the accuracy of such accounts.
The writers of the four Gospels either had themselves been witnesses or else were relating the accounts of eyewitnesses of the actual events. In advocating their case for the gospel, a word that means “good news,” the apostles appealed (even when confronting their most severe opponents) to common knowledge concerning the facts of the resurrection.
F. F. Bruce, Rylands professor of biblical criticism and exegesis at the University of Manchester, says concerning the value of the New Testament records as primary sources: “Had there been any tendency to depart from the facts in any material respect, the possible presence of hostile witnesses in the audience would have served as a further corrective.”
IS THE NEW TESTAMENT RELIABLE?
Because the New Testament provides the primary historical source for information on the resurrection, many critics during the 19th century attacked the reliability of these biblical documents.
By the end of the 1 9th century, however, archaeological discoveries had confirmed the accuracy of the New Testament manuscripts. Discoveries of early papyri bridged the gap between the time of Christ and existing manuscripts from a later date.
Those findings increased scholarly confidence in the reliability of the Bible. William F. Albright, who in his day was the world’s foremost biblical archaeologist, said: “We can already say emphatically that there is no longer any solid basis for dating any book of the New Testament after about A.D. 80, two full generations before the date between 130 and 150 given by the more radical New Testament critics of today.”
Coinciding with the papyri discoveries, an abundance of other manuscripts came to light (over 24,000 copies of early New Testament manuscripts are known to be in existence today). The historian Luke wrote of “authentic evidence” concerning the resurrection. Sir William Ramsay, who spent 15 years attempting to undermine Luke credentials as a historian, and to refute the reliability of the New Testament, finally concluded: “Luke is a historian of the first rank . . . This author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians. ”
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I claim to be an historian. My approach to Classics is historical. And I tell you that the evidence for the life, the death, and the resurrection of Christ is better authenticated than most of the facts of ancient history . . .
E. M. Blaiklock
Professor of Classics
Auckland University
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BACKGROUND
The New Testament witnesses were fully aware of the background against which the resurrection took place. The body of Jesus, in accordance with Jewish burial custom, was wrapped in a linen cloth. About 100 pounds of aromatic spices, mixed together to form a gummy substance, were applied to the wrappings of cloth about the body. After the body was placed in a solid rock tomb, an extremely large stone was rolled against the entrance of the tomb. Large stones weighing approximately two tons were normally rolled (by means of levers) against a tomb entrance.
A Roman guard of strictly disciplined fighting men was stationed to guard the tomb. This guard affixed on the tomb the Roman seal, which was meant to “prevent any attempt at vandalizing the sepulcher. Anyone trying to move the stone from the tomb’s entrance would have broken the seal and thus incurred the wrath of Roman law.
But three days later the tomb was empty. The followers of Jesus said He had risen from the dead. They reported that He appeared to them during a period of 40 days, showing Himself to them by many “infallible proofs.” Paul the apostle recounted that Jesus appeared to more than 500 of His followers at one time, the majority of whom were still alive and who could confirm what Paul wrote. So many security precautions were taken with the trial, crucifixion, burial, entombment, sealing, and guarding of Christ’s tomb that it becomes very difficult for critics to defend their position that Christ did not rise from the dead. Consider these facts:
FACT #1: BROKEN ROMAN SEAL
As we have said, the first obvious fact was the breaking of the seal that stood for the power and authority of the Roman Empire. The consequences of breaking the seal were extremely severe. The FBI and CIA of the Roman Empire were called into action to find the man or men who were responsible. If they were apprehended, it meant automatic execution by crucifixion upside down. People feared the breaking of the seal. Jesus’ disciples displayed signs of cowardice when they hid themselves. Peter, one of these disciples, went out and denied Christ three times.
FACT #2: EMPTY TOMB
As we have already discussed, another obvious fact after the resurrection was the empty tomb. The disciples of Christ did not go off to Athens or Rome to preach that Christ was raised from the dead. Rather, they went right back to the city of Jerusalem, where, if what they were teaching was false, the falsity would be evident. The empty tomb was “too notorious to be denied.” Paul Althaus states that the resurrection “could have not been maintained in Jerusalem for a single day, for a single hour, if the emptiness of the tomb had not been established as a fact for all concerned.”
Both Jewish and Roman sources and traditions admit an empty tomb. Those resources range from Josephus to a compilation of fifth-century Jewish writings called the “Toledoth Jeshu.” Dr. Paul Maier calls this “positive evidence from a hostile source, which is the strongest kind of historical evidence. In essence, this means that if a source admits a fact decidedly not in its favor, then that fact is genuine.”
Gamaliel, who was a member of the Jewish high court, the Sanhedrin, put forth the suggestion that the rise of the Christian movement was God’s doing; he could not have done that if the tomb were still occupied, or if the Sanhedrin knew the whereabouts of Christ’s body.
Paul Maier observes that ” . . . if all the evidence is weighed carefully and fairly, it is indeed justifiable, according to the canons of historical research, to conclude that the sepulcher of Joseph of Arimathea, in which Jesus was buried, was actually empty on the morning of the first Easter. And no shred of evidence has yet been discovered in literary sources, epigraphy, or archaeology that would disprove this statement.”
FACT #3: LARGE STONE MOVED
On that Sunday morning the first thing that impressed the people who approached the tomb was the unusual position of the one and a half to two ton stone that had been lodged in front of the doorway. All the Gospel writers mention it.
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There exists no document from the ancient world, witnessed by so excellent a set of textual and historical testimonies . . . Skepticism regarding the historical credentials of Christianity is based upon an irrational bias.
Clark Pinnock
Mcmaster University
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Those who observed the stone after the resurrection describe its position as having been rolled up a slope away not just from the entrance of the tomb, but from the entire massive sepulcher. It was in such a position that it looked as if it had been picked up and carried away. Now, I ask you, if the disciples had wanted to come in, tiptoe around the sleeping guards, and then roll the stone over and steal Jesus’ body, how could they have done that without the guards’ awareness?
FACT #4: ROMAN GUARD GOES AWOL
The Roman guards fled. They left their place of responsibility. How can their attrition he explained, when Roman military discipline was so exceptional? Justin, in Digest #49, mentions all the offenses that required the death penalty. The fear of their superiors’ wrath and the possibility of death meant that they paid close attention to the minutest details of their jobs. One way a guard was put to death was by being stripped of his clothes and then burned alive in a fire started with his garments. If it was not apparent which soldier had failed in his duty, then lots were drawn to see which one would be punished with death for the guard unit’s failure. Certainly the entire unit would not have fallen asleep with that kind of threat over their heads. Dr. George Currie, a student of Roman military discipline, wrote that fear of punishment “produced flawless attention to duty, especially in the night watches.”
FACT #5: GRAVECLOTHES TELL A TALE
In a literal sense, against all statements to the contrary, the tomb was not totally empty–because of an amazing phenomenon. John, a disciple of Jesus, looked over to the place where the body of Jesus had lain, and there were the grave clothes, in the form of the body, slightly caved in and empty–like the empty chrysalis of a caterpillar’s cocoon. That’s enough to make a believer out of anybody. John never did get over it. The first thing that stuck in the minds of the disciples was not the empty tomb, but rather the empty grave clothes–undisturbed in form and position.
FACT #6: JESUS’ APPEARANCES CONFIRMED
Christ appeared alive on several occasions after the cataclysmic events of that first Easter . When studying an event in history, it is important to know whether enough people who were participants or eyewitnesses to the event were alive when the facts about the event were published. To know this is obviously helpful in ascertaining the accuracy of the published report. If the number of eyewitnesses is substantial, the event can he regarded as fairly well established. For instance, if we all witness a murder, and a later police report turns out to he a fabrication of lies, we as eyewitnesses can refute it.
OVER 500 WITNESSES
Several very important factors arc often overlooked when considering Christ’s post-resurrection appearances to individuals. The first is the large number of witnesses of Christ after that resurrection morning. One of the earliest records of Christ’s appearing after the resurrection is by Paul. The apostle appealed to his audience’s knowledge of the fact that Christ had been seen by more than 500 people at one time. Paul reminded them that the majority of those people were still alive and could be questioned. Dr. Edwin M. Yamauchi, associate professor of history at Miami University in Oxford, Ohio, emphasizes: “What gives a special authority to the list (of witnesses) as historical evidence is the reference to most of the five hundred brethren being still alive. St. Paul says in effect, ‘If you do not believe me, you can ask them.’ Such a statement in an admittedly genuine letter written within thirty years of the event is almost as strong evidence as one could hope to get for something that happened nearly two thousand years ago.” Let’s take the more than 500 witnesses who saw Jesus alive after His death and burial, and place them in a courtroom. Do you realize that if each of those 500 people were to testify for only six minutes, including cross-examination, you would have an amazing 50 hours of firsthand testimony? Add to this the testimony of many other eyewitnesses and you would well have the largest and most lopsided trial in history.
HOSTILE WITNESSES
Another factor crucial to interpreting Christ’s appearances is that He also appeared to those who were hostile or unconvinced.
Over and over again, I have read or heard people comment that Jesus was seen alive after His death and burial only by His friends and followers. Using that argument, they attempt to water down the overwhelming impact of the multiple eyewitness accounts. But that line of reasoning is so pathetic it hardly deserves comment. No author or informed individual would regard Saul of Tarsus as being a follower of Christ. The facts show the exact opposite. Saul despised Christ and persecuted Christ’s followers. It was a life-shattering experience when Christ appeared to him. Although he was at the time not a disciple, he later became the apostle Paul, one of the greatest witnesses for the truth of the resurrection.
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If the New Testament were a collection of secular writings, their authenticity would generally be regarded as beyond all doubt.
F. F. Bruce
Manchester University
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The argument that Christ’s appearances were only to followers is an argument for the most part from silence, and arguments from silence can be dangerous. It is equally possible that all to whom Jesus appeared became followers. No one acquainted with the facts can accurately say that Jesus appeared to just “an insignificant few.”
Christians believe that Jesus was bodily resurrected in time and space by the supernatural power of God. The difficulties of belief may be great, but the problems inherent in unbelief present even greater difficulties.
The theories advanced to explain the resurrection by “natural causes” are weak; they actually help to build confidence in the truth of the resurrection.
THE WRONG TOMB?
A theory propounded by Kirsopp Lake assumes that the women who reported that the body was missing had mistakenly gone to the wrong tomb. If so, then the disciples who went to check up on the women’s statement must have also gone to the wrong tomb. We may be certain, however, that Jewish authorities, who asked for a Roman guard to be stationed at the tomb to prevent Jesus’ body from being stolen, would not have been mistaken about the location. Nor would the Roman guards, for they were there!
If the resurrection-claim was merely because of a geographical mistake, the Jewish authorities would have lost no time in producing the body from the proper tomb, thus effectively quenching for all time any rumor resurrection.
HALLUCINATIONS?
Another attempted explanation claims that the appearances of Jesus after the resurrection were either illusions or hallucinations. Unsupported by the psychological principles governing the appearances of hallucinations, this theory also does not coincide with the historical situation. Again, where was the actual body, and why wasn’t it produced?
DID JESUS SWOON?
Another theory, popularized by Venturini several centuries ago, is often quoted today. This is the swoon theory, which says that Jesus didn’t die; he merely fainted from exhaustion and loss of blood. Everyone thought Him dead, but later He resuscitated and the disciples thought it to be a resurrection. Skeptic David Friedrich Strauss–certainly no believer in the resurrection–gave the deathblow to any thought that Jesus revived from a swoon: “It is impossible that a being who had stolen half-dead out of the sepulchre, who crept about weak and ill, wanting medical treatment, who required bandaging, strengthening and indulgence, and who still at last yielded to His sufferings, could have given to the disciples the impression that He was a Conqueror over death and the grave, the Prince of Life,
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For the New Testament of Acts, the confirmation of historicity is overwhelming. Any attempt to reject its basic historicity, even in matters of detail, must now appear absurd. Roman historians have long taken it for granted.
A. N. Sherwin-White
Classical Roman Historian
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an impression which lay at the bottom of their future ministry. Such a resuscitation could only have weakened the impression which He had made upon them in life and in death, at the most could only have given it an elegiac voice, but could by no possibility have changed their sorrow into enthusiasm, have elevated their reverence into worship.”
THE BODY STOLEN?
Then consider the theory that the body was stolen by the disciples while the guards slept. The depression and cowardice of the disciples provide a hard-hitting argument against their suddenly becoming so brave and daring as to face a detachment of soldiers at the tomb and steal the body. They were in no mood to attempt anything like that.
The theory that the Jewish or Roman authorities moved Christ’s body is no more reasonable an explanation for the empty tomb than theft by the disciples. If the authorities had the body in their possession or knew where it was, why, when the disciples were preaching the resurrection in Jerusalem, didn’t they explain: “Wait! We moved the body, see, He didn’t rise from the grave”?
And if such a rebuttal failed, why didn’t they explain exactly where Jesus’ body lay? If this failed, why didn’t they recover the corpse, put it on a cart, and wheel it through the center of Jerusalem? Such an action would have destroyed Christianity–not in the cradle, but in the womb!
THE RESURRECTION IS A FACT
Professor Thomas Arnold, for 14 years a headmaster of Rugby, author of the famous, History of Rome, and appointed to the chair of modern history at Oxford, was well acquainted with the value of evidence in determining historical facts. This great scholar said: “I have been used for many years to study the histories of other times, and to examine and weigh the evidence of those who have written about them, and I know of no one fact in the history of mankind which is proved by better and fuller evidence of every sort, to the understanding of a fair inquirer, than the great sign which God hath given us that Christ died and rose again from the dead.” Brooke Foss Westcott, an English scholar, said: “raking all the evidence together, it is not too much to say that there is no historic incident better or more variously supported than the resurrection of Christ. Nothing but the antecedent assumption that it must be false could have suggested the idea of deficiency in the proof of it.”
REAL PROOF: THE DISCIPLES’ LIVES
But the most telling testimony of all must be the lives of those early Christians. We must ask ourselves: What caused them to go everywhere telling the message of the risen Christ?
Had there been any visible benefits accrued to them from their efforts–prestige, wealth, increased social status or material benefits–we might logically attempt to account for their actions, for their whole-hearted and total allegiance to this “risen Christ .”
As a reward for their efforts, however, those early Christians were beaten, stoned to death, thrown to the lions, tortured and crucified. Every conceivable method was used to stop them from talking.
Yet, they laid down their lives as the ultimate proof of their complete confidence in the truth of their message.
WHERE DO YOU STAND?
How do you evaluate this overwhelming historical evidence? What is your decision about the fact of Christ’s empty tomb? What do you think of Christ?
When I was confronted with the overwhelming evidence for Christ’s resurrection, I had to ask the logical question: “What difference does all this evidence make to me? What difference does it make whether or not I believe Christ rose again and died on the cross for my sins!’ The answer is put best by something Jesus said to a man who doubted–Thomas. Jesus told him: “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me” (John 14:6).
On the basis of all the evidence for Christ’s resurrection, and considering the fact that Jesus offers forgiveness of sin and an eternal relationship with God, who would be so foolhardy as to reject Him? Christ is alive! He is living today.
You can trust God right now by faith through prayer. Prayer is talking with God. God knows your heart and is not so concerned with your words as He is with the attitude of your heart. If you have never trusted Christ, you can do so right now.
The prayer I prayed is: “Lord Jesus, I need You. Thank You for dying on the cross for my sins. I open the door of my life and trust You as my Savior. Thank You for forgiving my sins and giving me eternal life. Make me the kind of person You want me to be. Thank You that I can trust You.”
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The Only religious World view, that is grounded in historical evidence and facts, is the Judeo/Christian Worldview; not MYTHOLOGICAL fancy, folly, and foolishness!
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The Eternal Word became flesh ( man), Jesus Christ.
“IN the BEGINNING was the WORD, and the WORD was with God (The Father) and the WORD was God. Hewas in the beginning with God (The Father). ALL things were made (Created) through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” ( John 1: 1-3 Emphasis added).
The following is an Exegesis of this absolutely amazing text as taken from John chapter 1.
In the beginning was (ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν)
With evident allusion to the first word of Genesis. But John elevates the phrase from its reference to a point of time, the beginning of creation, to the time of absolute pre-existence before any creation, which is not mentioned until John 1:3. This beginning had no beginning (compare John 1:3; John 17:5; 1 John 1:1; Ephesians 1:4; Proverbs 8:23; Psalm 90:2). This heightening of the conception, however, appears not so much in ἀρχή, beginning, which simply leaves room for it, as in the use of ἦν, was, denoting absolute existence (compare εἰμί, I am, John 8:58) instead of ἐγένετο, came into being, or began to be, which is used in John 1:3, John 1:14, of the coming into being of creation and of the Word becoming flesh. Note also the contrast between ἀρχή, in the beginning, and the expression ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς, from the beginning, which is common in John’s writings (John 8:44; 1 John 2:7, 1 John 2:24; 1 John 3:8) and which leaves no room for the idea of eternal pre-existence. “In Genesis 1:1, the sacred historian starts from the beginning and comes downward, thus keeping us in the course of time. Here he starts from the same point, but goes upward, thus taking us into the eternity preceding time” (Milligan and Moulton). See on Colossians 1:15. This notion of “beginning” is still further heightened by the subsequent statement of the relation of the Logos to the eternal God. The ἀρχή must refer to the creation – the primal beginning of things; but if, in this beginning, the Logos already was, then he belonged to the order of eternity. “The Logos was not merely existent, however, in the beginning, but was also the efficient principle, the beginning of the beginning. The ἀρχή (beginning), in itself and in its operation dark, chaotic, was, in its idea and its principle, comprised in one single luminous word, which was the Logos. And when it is said the Logos was in this beginning, His eternal existence is already expressed, and His eternal position in the Godhead already indicated thereby” (Lange). “Eight times in the narrative of creation (in Genesis) there occur, like the refrain of a hymn, the words, And God said. John gathers up all those sayings of God into a single saying, living and endowed with activity and intelligence, from which all divine orders emanate: he finds as the basis of all spoken words, the speaking Word” (Godet).
The Word (ὁ λόγος)
Logos. This expression is the keynote and theme of the entire gospel. Λόγος is from the root λεγ, appearing in λέγω, the primitive meaning of which is to lay: then, to pick out, gather, pick up: hence to gather or put words together, and so, to speak. Hence λόγος is, first of all, a collecting or collection both of things in the mind, and of words by which they are expressed. It therefore signifies both the outward form by which the inward thought is expressed, and the inward thought itself, the Latin oratio and ratio: compare the Italian ragionare, “to think” and “to speak.”
As signifying the outward form it is never used in the merely grammatical sense, as simply the name of a thing or act (ἔπος, ὄνομα, ῥῆμα), but means a word as the thing referred to: the material, not the formal part: a word as embodying a conception or idea. See, for instance, Matthew 22:46; 1 Corinthians 14:9, 1 Corinthians 14:19. Hence it signifies a saying, of God, or of man (Matthew 19:21, Matthew 19:22; Mark 5:35, Mark 5:36): a decree, a precept (Romans 9:28; Mark 7:13). The ten commandments are called in the Septuagint, οἱ δέκα λόγοι, “the ten words” (Exodus 34:28), and hence the familiar term decalogue. It is further used of discourse: either of the act of speaking (Acts 14:12), of skill and practice in speaking (Acts 18:15; 2 Timothy 4:15), specifically the doctrine of salvation through Christ (Matthew 13:20-23; Philippians 1:14); of narrative, both the relation and the thing related (Acts 1:1; John 21:23; Mark 1:45); of matter under discussion, an affair, a case in law (Acts 15:6; Acts 19:38).
As signifying the inward thought, it denotes the faculty of thinking and reasoning (Hebrews 4:12); regard or consideration (Acts 20:24); reckoning, account (Philippians 4:15, Philippians 4:17; Hebrews 4:13); cause or reason (Acts 10:29).
John uses the word in a peculiar sense, here, and in John 1:14; and, in this sense, in these two passages only. The nearest approach to it is in Revelation 19:13, where the conqueror is called the Word of God; and it is recalled in the phrases Word of Life, and the Life was manifested (1 John 1:1, 1 John 1:2). Compare Hebrews 4:12. It was a familiar and current theological term when John wrote, and therefore he uses it without explanation.
Old Testament Usage of the Term
The word here points directly to Genesis 1, where the act of creation is effected by God speaking (compare Psalm 33:6). The idea of God, who is in his own nature hidden, revealing himself in creation, is the root of the Logos-idea, in contrast with all materialistic or pantheistic conceptions of creation. This idea develops itself in the Old Testament on three lines. (1) The Word, as embodying the divine will, is personified in Hebrew poetry. Consequently divine attributes are predicated of it as being the continuous revelation of God in law and prophecy (Psalm 3:4; Isaiah 40:8; Psalm 119:105). The Word is a healer in Psalm 107:20; a messenger in Psalm 147:15; the agent of the divine decrees in Isaiah 55:11.
(2) The personified wisdom (Job 28:12 sq.; Proverbs 8, 9). Here also is the idea of the revelation of that which is hidden. For wisdom is concealed from man: “he knoweth not the price thereof, neither is it found in the land of the living. The depth saith, It is not in me; and the sea saith, It is not with me. It cannot be gotten for gold, neither shall silver be weighed for the price thereof. It is hid from the eyes of all living, and kept close from the fowls of the air” (Job 28). Even Death, which unlocks so many secrets, and the underworld, know it only as a rumor (Job 28:22). It is only God who knows its way and its place (Job 28:23). He made the world, made the winds and the waters, made a decree for the rain and a way for the lightning of the thunder (Job 28:25, Job 28:26). He who possessed wisdom in the beginning of his way, before His works of old, before the earth with its depths and springs and mountains, with whom was wisdom as one brought up with Him (Proverbs 8:26-31), declared it. “It became, as it were, objective, so that He beheld it” (Job 28:27) and embodied it in His creative work. This personification, therefore, is based on the thought that wisdom is not shut up at rest in God, but is active and manifest in the world. “She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths. She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors” (Proverbs 8:2, Proverbs 8:3). She builds a palace and prepares a banquet, and issues a general invitation to the simple and to him that wanteth understanding (Proverbs 9:1-6). It is viewed as the one guide to salvation, comprehending all revelations of God, and as an attribute embracing and combining all His other attributes.
(3) The Angel of Jehovah. The messenger of God who serves as His agent in the world of sense, and is sometimes distinguished from Jehovah and sometimes identical with him (Genesis 16:7-13; Genesis 32:24-28; Hosea 12:4, Hosea 12:5; Exodus 23:20, Exodus 23:21; Malachi 3:1).
Zoe …stop all this mumbo jumbo and hocus pocus . You cannot convince anyone with this shite you are writing. Give it up and take a long break.
Where did Cain get his wife?
E-mail typical message we received: “Hello, I’m a hardcore Evolution believer. I’m always telling my friends who are religious, that perhaps the Bible is just another story like King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table… Even though I make some good points, in my opinion, against creationism, they still do not agree with me. That’s OK, but there is always one question that always seems to stump them… ‘If Adam and Eve were the first people on this planet, then how did the population become what it is without incest? Doesn’t the Bible state that incest is bad…?’” Sincerely, Yoendry.
We don’t even know her name, yet she was discussed at the Scopes trial, mentioned in the play and movie “Inherit the Wind”[1] and the book and movie “Contact,”[2] and has been talked about in countries all over the world. Is she the most-talked-about wife in history?
Skeptics have used Cain’s wife time and again to try to discredit the Book of Genesis as a true historical record. Sadly, most Christians have not been able to give an adequate answer to this question. As a result, the world thinks Christians cannot defend the authority of Scripture and, thus, the Christian faith.
For instance, at the historic Scopes trial in Tennessee in 1925, William Jennings Bryan, the prosecutor who stood for the Christian faith, failed to answer the question about Cain’s wife posed by the outspokenly anti-Christian ACLU[3] lawyer Clarence Darrow.[4]
The world’s press was focused on this trial, and what they heard has affected Christianity to this day—Christians are seen as unable to defend the biblical record. And skeptics then make the logically fallacious jump of concluding that the biblical record is indefensible!
The agnostic Carl Sagan used this same question in his book Contact[5] (which was on The New York Times best-seller list), and the movie “Contact,” which was based on Sagan’s book, also used it.
In the book, the fictional character Ellie could not get answers about Cain’s wife, and other questions, from a minister’s wife, who was the leader of a church discussion group.[6]
Sagan cleverly used common questions—such as “Who was Cain’s wife?”—questions that are often directed at Christians in an attempt to prove the Bible cannot be defended.
Sadly, most Christians probably could not answer these questions! And yet, there are answers. But, since most churches are lacking in the teaching of apologetics,[7] particularly in regard to the Book of Genesis, most believers in the church are not “ready always to give an answer to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope in you” (1 Peter 3:15).
Why is it important?
Many skeptics have claimed that, for Cain to find a wife, there must have been other “races” of people on the earth who were not descendants of Adam and Eve. To many people, this question is a stumbling block to accepting the creation account in Genesis and its record of only one man and woman at the beginning of history—a record on which many Old and New Testament doctrines depend.
Defenders of the gospel must be able to show that all human beings are descendants of one man and one woman (Adam and Eve)—as only those people who are descendants of Adam and Eve can be saved. Thus, believers need to be able to account for Cain’s wife and show clearly that she was a descendant of Adam and Eve. (The relevant Bible passage is Genesis 4:1-5:5.)
Before we answer this question, we will first show how important it is to the meaning of the gospel.
The first man
Therefore, even as through one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed on all men inasmuch as all sinned (Romans 5:12).
We read in 1 Corinthians 15:45 that Adam was “the first man.” God did not start by making a whole group of men.
The Bible makes it clear that only the descendants of Adam can be saved. Romans 5 teaches that we sin because Adam sinned. The death penalty, which Adam received as judgment for his sin of rebellion, also passed on to all his descendants.
Since Adam was the head of the human race when he “fell,” we who were in the loins of Adam “fell,” also. Thus, we are all separated from God. The final consequence of sin would be separation from God in our sinful state forever. However, the good news is that there is a way for us to return to God!
Because a man brought sin and death into the world, all the descendants of Adam need a sinless Man to pay the penalty for sin and the resulting judgment of death. However, the Bible teaches that “all have sinned” (Romans 3:23). What is the solution?
The Last Adam
God provided the solution—a way to deliver man from his wretched state. Paul explains in 1 Corinthians 15 that God provided another Adam! The Son of God took on a human nature in addition to His full divinity, becoming a perfect God-man—Jesus Christ. In His humanity, He was a descendant of Adam (through Noah, Abraham and David)—He thus became our relation! He is called “the last Adam” (1 Corinthians 15:45), because he took the place of the first Adam. He became the new head, and, because he was sinless, He was able to pay the penalty for sin:
“For since by a man came death, by a man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive” (1 Corinthians 15:21-22).[8]
Christ suffered death (the penalty for sin) on the cross, shedding his blood (“without shedding of blood is no remission” Hebrews 9:22) so that those who repent of their sin of rebellion and put their trust in His work on the cross can be reconciled to God.
Since the Bible describes all human beings as sinners, except the God-Man Jesus, and we are all related (“And He has made all nations of men of one blood to dwell on all the face of the earth” Acts 17:26), the gospel makes sense only on the basis that all humans alive and all who have ever lived are descendants of the first man Adam.[9] If this were not so, then the gospel could not be explained or defended.
The Book of Hebrews amplifies how Jesus took upon himself the nature of a man to save mankind (Hebrews 2:11-18).
Thus, only descendants of the first man Adam can be saved.
All related
Thus, there was only one man at the beginning—made from the dust of the earth (Genesis 2:7).
This also means that Cain’s wife was a descendant of Adam. She could not have come from another “race” of people and must be one of Adam’s descendants.
The first woman
In Genesis 3:20 we read, “And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.”[10] In other words, all people are descendants of Adam and Eve—she was the first woman.
Eve was made from Adam’s rib (or side) (Genesis 2:21-24)—this was a unique event. Jesus (Matthew 19:4-6) and Paul (Ephesians 5:31) use this historical and one-time event as the doctrinal foundation for the marriage of one man to one woman.
Also, in Genesis 2:20, we are told that when Adam looked at the animals, he could not find a mate—there was no one of his kind.
All this makes it obvious that there was only one woman, Adam’s wife, at the beginning. There were never any other women around who were not Eve’s descendants.
If Christians cannot defend that all humans (including Cain’s wife) can trace their ancestry ultimately to Adam and Eve, then how can they understand and explain the gospel? How can they justify sending missionaries to every tribe and nation? Therefore, one needs to be able to answer the question about Cain’s wife, to illustrate that Christians can defend the gospel and all that it teaches.
Cain’s brothers and sisters
Cain was the first child of Adam and Eve recorded in Scripture (Genesis 4:1). His brothers, Abel (Genesis 4:2) and Seth (Genesis 4:25), were part of the first generation of children ever born on this earth.
Even though only these three males are mentioned by name, Adam and Eve had other children. In Genesis 5:4 a statement sums up the life of Adam and Eve—“And the days of Adam after he had fathered Seth were eight hundred years. And he fathered sons and daughters.” This does not say when they were born. Many could have been born in the 130 years (Genesis 5:3) before Seth was born.
During their lives, Adam and Eve had a number of male and female children. The Jewish historian Josephus wrote that, “The number of Adam’s children, as says the old tradition, was thirty-three sons and twenty-three daughters.”[11]
The Bible does not tell us how many children were born to Adam and Eve. However, considering their long life spans (Adam lived for 930 years—Genesis 5:5), it would seem reasonable to suggest there were many! Remember, They were commanded to “Be fruitful, and multiply” (Genesis 1:28).
The wife
If we now work totally from Scripture, without any personal prejudices or other extra-biblical ideas, then back at the beginning, when there was only the first generation, brothers would have had to have married sisters or there would be no more generations!
We are not told when Cain married or any of the details of other marriages and children, but we can say for certain that some brothers had to marry their sisters at the beginning of human history.
But what about God’s Laws?
Many people immediately reject the conclusion that Adam and Eve’s sons and daughters married each other by appealing to the law against brother-sister intermarriage. Some say that you cannot marry your relation. Actually, if you don’t marry your relation, you don’t marry a human! A wife is related to her husband even before they marry because all people are descendants of Adam and Eve—all are of “one blood.” The law forbidding marriage between close relatives was not given until the time of Moses (Leviticus 18-20). Provided marriage was one man to one woman for life (based on Genesis 1 and 2), there was no disobedience to God’s law originally when close relatives (even brothers and sisters) married each other.
Remember that Abraham married his half-sister (Genesis 20:12). God blessed this union to produce the Hebrew people through Isaac and Jacob. It was not until some 400 years later that God gave Moses laws that forbade such marriages.
Biological deformities
Today, brothers and sisters (and half-brothers and half-sisters, etc.) are not permitted by law to marry because their children have an unacceptably high risk of being deformed. The more closely the parents are related, the more likely it is that any offspring will be deformed.
There is a very sound genetic reason for such laws that is easy to understand. Every person has two sets of genes, there being some 130,000 pairs that specify how a person is put together and functions. Each person inherits one gene of each pair from each parent. Unfortunately, genes today contain many mistakes (because of sin and the Curse), and these mistakes show up in a variety of ways. For instance, some people let their hair grow over their ears to hide the fact that one ear is lower than the other—or perhaps someone’s nose is not quite in the middle of his or her face, or someone’s jaw is a little out of shape—and so on. Let’s face it, the main reason we call each other normal is because of our common agreement to do so!
The more distantly related parents are, the more likely it is that they will have different mistakes in their genes. Children, inheriting one set of genes from each parent, are likely to end up with pairs of genes containing a maximum of one bad gene in each pair. The good gene tends to override the bad so that a deformity (a serious one, anyway) does not occur. Instead of having totally deformed ears, for instance, a person may only have crooked ones! (Overall, though, the human race is slowly degenerating as mistakes accumulate, generation after generation.)
However, the more closely related two people are, the more likely it is that they will have similar mistakes in their genes, since these have been inherited from the same parents. Therefore, a brother and a sister are more likely to have similar mistakes in their genes. A child of a union between such siblings could inherit the same bad gene on the same gene pair from both, resulting in two bad copies of the gene and serious defects.
Adam and Eve did not have accumulated genetic mistakes. When the first two people were created, they were physically perfect. Everything God made was “very good” (Genesis 1:31), so their genes were perfect—no mistakes! But, when sin entered the world (because of Adam—Genesis 3:6, Romans 5:12), God cursed the world so that the perfect creation then began to degenerate, that is, suffer death and decay (Romans 8:22). Over thousands of years, this degeneration has produced all sorts of genetic mistakes in living things.
Cain was in the first generation of children ever born. He (as well as his brothers and sisters) would have have received virtually no imperfect genes from Adam or Eve, since the effects of sin and the Curse would have been minimal to start with (it takes time for these copying errors to accumulate). In that situation, brother and sister could have married with God’s approval, without any potential to produce deformed offspring.
By the time of Moses (a few thousand years later), degenerative mistakes would have built up in the human race to such an extent that it was necessary for God to forbid brother-sister (and close relative) marriage (Leviticus 18-20).[12] (Also, there were plenty of people on the earth by then, and there was no reason for close relations to marry.)
Cain and the Land of Nod
Some claim that the passage in Genesis 4:16-17 means that Cain went to the land of Nod and found a wife. Thus, they can conclude there must have been another race of people on the earth, who were not descendants of Adam, who produced Cain’s wife.
“And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bore Enoch: and he built a city, and he called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.”
From what has been stated previously, it is clear that all humans, Cain’s wife included, are descendants of Adam. However, this passage does not say that Cain went to the land of Nod and found a wife. John Calvin, commenting on these verses, states:
“From the context we may gather that Cain, before he slew his brother, had married a wife; otherwise Moses would now have related something respecting his marriage.”[13]
Cain was married before he went to the land of Nod. He didn’t find a wife there, but “knew” (had sexual relations with) his wife.[14]
Others have argued that because Cain built a “city” in the land of Nod, there must have been a lot of people there. However, the Hebrew word translated as “city” need not mean what we might imagine from the connotations of “city” today. The word meant a “walled town” or a protected encampment.[15] Even a hundred people would be plenty for such a “city.” Nevertheless, there could have been many descendants of Adam on the earth by the time of Abel’s death (see below).
Who was Cain fearful of? (Genesis 4:14)
Some claim that there had to be lots of people on earth other than Adam and Eve’s descendants, otherwise Cain would not have been fearful of people wanting to slay him for killing Abel.
First of all, in the days before civil government was instituted to punish murderers (Genesis 9:6), someone would want to harm Cain for killing Abel only if they were closely related to Abel! Strangers could hardly have cared. So the people Cain was afraid of could not have been another race of people.
Second, Cain and Abel were born quite some time before Abel’s death. Genesis 4:3 states:
“And in the course of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering to the Lord.”
Note the phrase “in the course of time.” We know that Seth was born when Adam was 130 years old (Genesis 5:3), and Eve saw him as a “replacement” for Abel (Genesis 4:25). Therefore, the period from Cain’s birth to Abel’s death may have been 100 years or more—allowing plenty of time for other children of Adam and Eve to marry and have children and grandchildren. By the time Abel was killed, there could well have been a considerable number of descendants of Adam and Eve, involving several generations.
Where did the technology come from?
Some claim that for Cain to go to the land of Nod and build a city he would have required a lot of technology that must have already been in that land, presumably developed by other “races.”
However, Adam and Eve’s descendants were very intelligent people. Jubal made musical instruments such as the harp and organ (Genesis 4:21), and Tubal-Cain worked with brass and iron (Genesis 4:22).
Because of intense evolutionary indoctrination, many people today think that our generation is the most intelligent that has ever lived on this planet. But just because we have jet airplanes and computers, it does not mean that we are the most intelligent. Modern technology results from the accumulation of knowledge. We stand on the shoulders of those who have gone before us.
Our brains have suffered from 6,000 years of the Curse (since Adam). We are greatly degenerated compared with people many generations ago. We may now be nowhere near as intelligent or inventive as Adam and Eve’s children. Scripture gives us a glimpse of what appears to be great inventiveness from the beginning.[16]
Conclusion
Many Christians cannot answer the question about Cain’s wife because they focus on today’s world (and the problems associated with close relations marrying), and do not understand the clear historical record God has given to us.
They try to interpret Genesis from our present situation, rather than understand the true biblical history of the world and the changes that have occurred because of sin. Because they are not building their world view on Scripture, but taking a secular way of thinking to the Bible, they are blinded to the simple answers.
Genesis is the record of the God who was there as history happened. It is the word of One who knows everything, and who is a reliable witness from the past. Thus, when we use Genesis as a basis for understanding history, we can make sense of questions that would otherwise be a mystery.
[ Read more about Cain in our Bible Encyclopedia. ]
Atheism and mass murder
Joseph Stalin’s atheistic regime killed tens of millions of people.See articles: Atheism and Mass Murder and Atheism and communism and Atheism and sadism
Christian apologist Gregory Koukl wrote relative to atheism and mass murder that “the assertion is that religion has caused most of the killing and bloodshed in the world. There are people who make accusations and assertions that are empirically false. This is one of them.”[70] Koukl details the number of people killed in various events involving theism and compares them to the much higher tens of millions of people killed under regimes which advocated atheism.[70] As noted earlier, Richard Dawkins has attempted to engage in historical revisionism concerning atheist atrocities and Dawkins was shown to be in gross error.
Koukl summarized by stating:
“ It is true that it’s possible that religion can produce evil, and generally when we look closer at the detail it produces evil because the individual people are actually living in a rejection of the tenets of Christianity and a rejection of the God that they are supposed to be following. So it can produce it, but the historical fact is that outright rejection of God and institutionalizing of atheism actually does produce evil on incredible levels. We’re talking about tens of millions of people as a result of the rejection of God.[70] ”
Aleksandr SolzhenitsynNobel Prize winner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was asked to account for the great tragedies that occurred under the brutal communist regime he and fellow citizens suffered under.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote:
“ Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.
Since then I have spend well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.”[71]
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In 2008, Vox Day notes concerning atheism and mass murder:
“ Apparently it was just an amazing coincidence that every Communist of historical note publicly declared his atheism … .there have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm … These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal acts of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao …
The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.
The historical record of collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition. It is not only Stalin and Mao who were so murderously inclined, they were merely the worst of the whole Hell-bound lot. For every Pol Pot whose infamous name is still spoken with horror today, there was a Mengistu, a Bierut, and a Choibalsan, godless men whose names are now forgotten everywhere but in the lands they once ruled with a red hand.
Is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things? If that is not deemed to be conclusive, how about the fact that the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them. If one considers the statistically significant size of the historical atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have committed similarly large-scale atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise, even if we do not yet understand exactly why this should be the case. Once might be an accident, even twice could be coincidence, but fifty-two incidents in ninety years reeks of causation![72]
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See also:
Militant atheism
Soviet Union and morality
Atheism and charity
See also: Atheism and charity and Atheism and depression and Atheism, uncharitableness and depression
According to a study by the Barna Group regarding charitable giving:”The typical no-faith American donated just $200 in 2006, which is more than seven times less than the amount contributed by the prototypical active-faith adult ($1500). Even when church-based giving is subtracted from the equation, active-faith adults donated twice as many dollars last year as did atheists and agnostics.”[73]Concerning the issue of atheism and uncharitableness, the evidence indicates that per capita charitable giving by atheists and agnostics in America is significantly less than by theists, according to a study by the Barna Group:
“ The typical no-faith American donated just $200 in 2006, which is more than seven times less than the amount contributed by the prototypical active-faith adult ($1500). Even when church-based giving is subtracted from the equation, active-faith adults donated twice as many dollars last year as did atheists and agnostics. In fact, while just 7% of active-faith adults failed to contribute any personal funds in 2006, that compares with 22% among the no-faith adults.[74] ”
A comprehensive study by Harvard University professor Robert Putnam found that religious people are more charitable than their irreligious counterparts.[75][76] The study revealed that forty percent of worship service attending Americans volunteer regularly to help the poor and elderly as opposed to 15% of Americans who never attend services.[77][78] Moreover, religious individuals are more likely than non-religious individuals to volunteer for school and youth programs (36% vs. 15%), a neighborhood or civic group (26% vs. 13%), and for health care (21% vs. 13%).[79][80]
Arthur C. Brooks wrote in Policy Review regarding data collected in the Social Capital Community Benchmark Survey (SCCBS) (data collected by in 2000 by researchers at universities throughout the United States and the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research):
“ The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic. Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent). And, consistent with the findings of other writers, these data show that practicing a religion is more important than the actual religion itself in predicting charitable behavior. For example, among those who attend worship services regularly, 92 percent of Protestants give charitably, compared with 91 percent of Catholics, 91 percent of Jews, and 89 percent from other religions.[81] ”
ABC News reported the following in respect to atheism:
“ …the single biggest predictor of whether someone will be charitable is their religious participation.
Religious people are more likely to give to charity, and when they give, they give more money: four times as much. And Arthur Brooks told me that giving goes beyond their own religious organization:
“Actually, the truth is that they’re giving to more than their churches,” he says. “The religious Americans are more likely to give to every kind of cause and charity, including explicitly non-religious charities.”[82]
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Given that atheistic evolutionary thinking has engendered social darwinism and given that the proponents of atheism have no rational basis for morality in their ideology, the immoral views that atheists often hold and the low per capita giving of American atheists is not unpredictable.
Atheism and immoral views
See: Atheism and morality and Atheism and bestiality and Atheism and sadism
The Barna Group found regarding atheism and morality that those who hold to the worldviews of atheism or agnosticism in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling; pornography and obscene sexual behavior; and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality.[83] Given the many diseases associated with homosexuality, the biblical prohibition against homosexuality is quite arguably one of the many examples where the Bible exhibited knowledge that was ahead of its time. Although Western atheists generally subscribe to the evolutionary paradigm, there is a conflict between the evolutionary paradigm and Western atheists often having favorable views toward homosexuality. In 1993, Professor Miron Baron, M.D., the renowned medical researcher and Professor at Columbia University, wrote in BMJ (British Medical Journal) “…from an evolutionary perspective, genetically determined homosexuality would have become extinct long ago because of reduced reproduction.”[84]
The Journal of Medical Ethics declared concerning the atheist and sadist Marquis de Sade:
“ In 1795 the Marquis de Sade published his La Philosophic dans le boudoir, in which he proposed the use of induced abortion for social reasons and as a means of population control. It is from this time that medical and social acceptance of abortion can be dated, although previously the subject had not been discussed in public in modern times. It is suggested that it was largely due to de Sade’s writing that induced abortion received the impetus which resulted in its subsequent spread in western society.[85] ”
Population control is based on pseudoscience and ill founded economic assumptions.[86] CBS News reported: “According to a mail-in survey of nearly 4,000 British doctors, those who were atheist or agnostic were almost twice as willing to take actions designed to hasten the end of life.”[87]
In 2007 the Baptist Press reported:
“ …a pollster at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta, Canada, found that adults who profess a belief in God are significantly more likely than atheists to say that forgiveness, patience, generosity and a concern for others are “very important.” In fact, the poll found that on 11 of 12 values, there was a double-digit gap between theists and atheists, with theists more likely to label each value “very important.”
The survey by sociologist and pollster Reginald Bibby examined the beliefs of 1,600 Canadians, 82 percent who said they believed in “God or a higher power” and 18 percent who said they did not.[88]
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Dr. William Lane Craig states the following concerning the comments of debater Dr. Kai Nielson who advocates atheism:
“ He doesn’t really defend his point there, but he says, “I have a reason why we should be moral.” He says, “It’s in our self-interest to be moral.” I was really surprised to hear that coming from him. That sort of purely self-interested motivation for morality is, I think, fatal to the atheistic position because for someone who is sufficiently powerful not to be worried about what others do, self-interest can only lead to a sort of self-aggrandizing hedonism. It leads to the kind of life of a Marcos, a Papa Doc Duvalier, a Mbbutu, and so forth. Self-interest will never be able to justify an ethic of compassion. And so I think that was a fatal admission on Dr. Nielsen’s part for the atheistic worldview.[89] ”
An essay by the Christian apologist Dr. James Spiegel describes Bertrand Russell as a “misogynistic and a serial adulterer; a chronic seducer of women, especially very young women, even in his old age.”[90]Dr. Phil Fernandes states the following regarding atheism and moral relativism:
“ Nietzsche preached that a group of “supermen” must arise with the courage to create their own values through their “will to power.” Nietzsche rejected the “soft” values of Christianity (brotherly love, turning the other cheek, charity, compassion, etc.); he felt they hindered man’s creativity and potential….
Many other atheists agree with Nietzsche concerning moral relativism. British philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872-1970) once wrote, “Outside human desires there is no moral standard.” A. J. Ayer believed that moral commands did not result from any objective standard above man. Instead, Ayer stated that moral commands merely express one’s subjective feelings. When one says that murder is wrong, one is merely saying that he or she feels that murder is wrong. Jean-Paul Sartre, a French existentialist, believed that there is no objective meaning to life. Therefore, according to Sartre, man must create his own values.
There are many different ways that moral relativists attempt to determine what action should be taken. Hedonism is probably the most extreme. It declares that whatever brings the most pleasure is right. In other words, if it feels good, do it. If this position is true, then there is no basis from which to judge the actions of Adolph Hitler as being evil.[91]
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Evolutionist and atheist Richard Dawkins stated in an interview: “What’s to prevent us from saying Hitler wasn’t right? I mean, that is a genuinely difficult question.”[92] The interviewer wrote, regarding the Hitler comment, “I was stupefied. He had readily conceded that his own philosophical position did not offer a rational basis for moral judgments. His intellectual honesty was refreshing, if somewhat disturbing on this point.”[93]
An essay by the Christian apologist Dr. James Spiegel examines the morality of some well known atheists. Dr. Speigel describes Bertrand Russell as a “misogynistic and a serial adulterer; a chronic seducer of women, especially very young women, even in his old age.”[94] Spiegel refers to the atheist Karl Marx as a “fiercely anti-semitic; egocentric, slothful, and lecherous; exploitive of friends and unfaithful to his wife; sired an illegitimate son, whom he refused to acknowledge.”[95] In addition, Spiegel refers to atheist Jean-Paul Sartre in the following manner: “in his old age Jean-Paul Sartre—notorious for his sexual escapades with female students, often procured by his colleague and lover Simone de Beauvoir.”[96]
Many consider atheist Harry Hay to be the founder of the American homosexual movement.Given that atheistic evolutionary thinking has engendered social darwinism and given that the proponents of atheism have no rational basis for morality in their ideology, the immoral views that atheists often hold and the low per capita giving of American atheists is not unpredictable.
Atheism, pederasty and NAMBLA
see also: Atheism, pederasty and NAMBLA and Teenage homosexuality and Homosexuality and pederasty
Some of the well known atheist advocates of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) are:
1. The atheist and homosexual David Thorstad was a founding member of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA).[97]
2. Harry Hay (1912 – 2002) was an liberal advocate of statutory rape and the widely acknowledged founder and progenitor of the activist homosexual agenda in the United States. Hay joined the Communist Party of the United States (CPUSA) in 1934. [98] Harry Hay was an atheist.[99] He was a vociferous advocate of man/boy love. [100][101] In 1986, Hay marched in a gay parade wearing a shirt emblazoned with the words “NAMBLA walks with me.”[102]
3. The writer Samuel R. Delaney is an atheist and a homosexual.[103][104] Delaney said he was a supporter of NAMBLA.[105]
See also: Richard Dawkins on child molestation and so called “gentle pedophiles” and John Maynard Keynes and pederasty
Atheism and bestiality
See also: Atheism and bestiality
Bestiality is the act of engaging in sexual relations with an animal. The atheist philosopher Peter Singer defends the practice bestiality (as well as abortion, infanticide and euthanasia). Despite holding these views the liberal and pro-evolution academic establishment rewarded his views with a bioethics chair at Princeton University.[106][107]
The atheist philosopher Peter Singer defends the practice of bestiality (as well as abortion, infanticide and euthanasia). Despite holding these immoral views the liberal and pro-evolution academic establishment rewarded his views with a bioethics chair at Princeton University.[108] See: Atheism and bestialityThe Bible says that bestiality is a perversion and, under the Old Testament Jewish Law, punishable by death (Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 18:23, Leviticus 20:15 and Deuteronomy 27:21). The atheistic worldview does not lend itself to the establishment of morality within society and individuals (see: Atheism and morality and Atheism and deception).
The Christian apologist and author Michael Caputo writes:
“ Although bestiality is not openly supported by well known Militant Atheist sites, support for it is inherent in their insistence that decisions of a sexual nature should be left up to the individual adults to determine. God disagrees.[109] ”
British atheist Christopher Hitchens on bestiality
See also: Atheism and bestiality and Bestiality and Britain and Christopher Hitchens on bestiality
At the end of the Christian apologist William Lane Craig vs. atheist Christopher Hitchens debate there was a audience question and answer period.VIDEO The first audience member to ask a question twice asked Christopher Hitchens to label bestiality as an immoral act, but he refused to do so.[110] Dr. Craig said the question posed to Hitchens was a good one and it helped illustrate that atheism cannot offer objective moral standards (see: Atheism and morality).[111]
Additional information on atheism and bestiality
For additional information please see:
Atheism and bestiality
Evolutionary belief and bestiality
Denmark, Sweden, evolutionary belief and bestiality
Godless Britain and bestiality
Atheistic Netherlands and bestiality
Washington state and bestiality
Joseph Stalin’s ape-men experiments
Christopher Hitchens on bestiality
Skeptic Skatje Myers’ comments on bestiality (Daughter of atheist PZ Myers)
Wikipedia on bestiality
Atheism and miracles
See main article: Atheism and Miracles
In relation to atheism and miracles, modern scholars are divided on the issue of whether or not David Hume was an atheist.[112] With that caveat in mind, Hume is well known for arguing that it is always more probable that the testimony of a miracle is false than that the miracle occurred.[113] Christian apologists William Lane Craig, Norman Geisler, C.S. Lewis, JP Holding, and others have shown the inadequacy and unreasonableness of Hume’s position regarding miracles.[114]
Atheism and questions of origins
See main article: Atheism and Evolution
Creationist scientists state that the first law of thermodynamics and the second law of thermodynamics argue against an eternal universe or a universe created by natural processes and argue for a universe created by God.[115][116][117] A majority of the most prominent and vocal defenders of the evolutionary position which employs methodological naturalism since World War II have had the worldview of atheism.[118][119] Creation scientists assert that the theory of evolution is an inadequate explanation for the variety of life forms on earth.[120] In addition, the current naturalistic explanations for the origin of life are inadequate. The theory of evolution has had a number of negative social effects.
Atheism and mental and physical health
See also: Atheism and health and Atheism and obesity
The is considerable amount of scientific evidence that suggest that theism is more conducive to mental and physical health than atheism and some of the more significant findings are given below [121] (For more information please see: Atheism and health).
Mayo Clinic, university studies, and other research
The prestigious Mayo Clinic reported the following on December 11, 2001:
“ In an article also published in this issue of Mayo Clinic Proceedings, Mayo Clinic researchers reviewed published studies, meta-analyses, systematic reviews and subject reviews that examined the association between religious involvement and spirituality and physical health, mental health, health-related quality of life and other health outcomes.
The authors report a majority of the nearly 350 studies of physical health and 850 studies of mental health that have used religious and spiritual variables have found that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better health outcomes.[122]
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The Iona Institute reported:
“ A meta-analysis of all studies, both published and unpublished, relating to religious involvement and longevity was carried out in 2000. Forty-two studies were included, involving some 126,000 subjects. Active religious involvement increased the chance of living longer by some 29%, and participation in public religious practices, such as church attendance, increased the chance of living longer by 43%.[123][124] ”
In December of 2003, the University of Warwick reported:
“ Dr. Stephen Joseph, from the University of Warwick, said: “Religious people seem to have a greater purpose in life, which is why they are happier. Looking at the research evidence, it seems that those who celebrate the Christian meaning of Christmas are on the whole likely to be happier.[125] ”
Duke University has established the Center for Spirituality, Theology and Health.[126] The Duke University Center for Spirituality, Theology and Health is based in the Center for Aging at Duke and gives opportunities for scholarly trans-disciplinary conversation and the development of collaborative research projects.[127] In respect to the atheism and mental and physical health, the center offers many studies which suggest that theism is more beneficial than atheism.[128]
Currently, there is an ongoing debate on whether Friedrich Nietzsche’s insanity was caused purely through disease or whether his atheistic/nihilistic philosophical outlook on life was the cause.The Christian group Teen Challenge reported:
“ Teen Challenge claims of a 70% cure rate for the drug addicts graduating from their program attracted the attention of the U.S. Federal Government in 1973. Most secular drug rehabilitation programs only experienced a cure rate of 1-15% of their graduates. The National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), part of the U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, funded the first year of this study to evaluate the long term results of the Teen Challenge program.[129] ”
Teen Challenge has a number of studies that indicate the high effectiveness of their drug treatment program compared to other programs.[130] Studies indicate that consumers of secular counseling psychology programs show hardly any benefit at all for alcoholism (see also: Ineffectiveness of secular counseling psychology).[131][132] The Apostle Paul in a letter to the church of Corinth indicated that Christians were able to overcome being drunkards through the power of Jesus Christ (I Corinthians 6:9-11). The website The Berean Call has a number of articles on various false claims and unbiblical notions that many practioners of counseling psychology promote.[133]
Currently, there is an ongoing debate on whether Friedrich Nietzsche’s insanity was caused purely through disease or whether his atheistic/nihilistic philosophical outlook on life was the cause.[134] [135]
An article published on the Hong Kong Baptist University declares:
“ Trying to explain what caused his insanity can only be a matter of speculation. Some people believe it was the result of a physical illness. Others interpret his suffering as that of a true prophet, almost as if he were accepting the punishment on behalf of those who could not see mankind’s tendency towards self-destruction so clearly. Still others regard his final fate as a natural outcome of his philosophical outlook.[135] ”
The Russian-born psychoanalyst and writer Lou Andreas-Salomé, who had a brief and tempestuous affair with Nietzsche, believed that Nietzsche’s philosophy can be viewed as a reflection of his psychology and that his madness was the result of his philosophizing.[136] In addition, the French historian René Girard asserted that Nietzsche’s philosophy led to his insanity.[137]
Atheism and suicide
See also: Atheism and depression and Atheism and suicide and Atheism, gender and suicide and Atheism, marriage and suicide
Although there are recent studies relating to atheism being a causal factor for suicide for some individuals, an early proponent of atheism being a causal factor for suicide was the Reverend Dr. Robert Stuart MacArthur.[138][139][140] In 1894, the NY Times stated the following in relation to atheism and suicide:
“ Dr. Martin urged that a great cause of suicide was atheism. It was, he said, a remarkable fact that where atheism prevailed most, there suicides were most numerous. In Paris, a recent census showed one suicide to every 2,700 of the population. After the publication of Paine’s “Age of Reason” suicides increased.[140] ”
Pitzer College sociologist Phil Zuckerman stated concerning suicide rates: “this is the one indicator of societal health in which religious nations fare much better than secular nations.”The same NY Times article quotes the Reverend Dr. MacArthur describing suicide in the following manner:
“ It is mean and not manly; it is dastardly and not daring. A man who involves his innocent wife and children in financial disaster and disgrace and takes his life and leaves them to bear the burden he was unwilling to bear, is a coward.[140] ”
In 2004, the American Journal of Psychiatry reported the following:
“ Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found.[141] ”
The website Adherents.com reported the following in respect to atheism and suicide:
“ Pitzer College sociologist Phil Zuckerman compiled country-by-country survey, polling and census numbers relating to atheism, agnosticism, disbelief in God and people who state they are non-religious or have no religious preference. These data were published in the chapter titled “Atheism: Contemporary Rates and Patterns” in The Cambridge Companion to Atheism, ed. by Michael Martin, Cambridge University Press: Cambridge, UK (2005). In examining various indicators of societal health, Zuckerman concludes about suicide:
“Concerning suicide rates, this is the one indicator of societal health in which religious nations fare much better than secular nations. According to the 2003 World Health Organization’s report on international male suicides rates (which compared 100 countries), of the top ten nations with the highest male suicide rates, all but one (Sri Lanka) are strongly irreligious nations with high levels of atheism. It is interesting to note, however, that of the top remaining nine nations leading the world in male suicide rates, all are former Soviet/Communist nations, such as Belarus, Ukraine, and Latvia. Of the bottom ten nations with the lowest male suicide rates, all are highly religious nations with statistically insignificant levels of organic atheism.”[142]
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Australian online opinion writer and lecturer in ethics and philosophy at several Melbourne theological colleges, Bill Muehlenberg, in his essay The Unbearable Heaviness of Being (In a World Without God) states the following:
“ Announcing, and believing, that God is dead has consequences. And it is we who suffer the most for it. We cannot bear the whole universe on our shoulders. We were not meant to. We must let God be God. Only then can men be men. Only then can we find the way forward to be possible, and the burdens not insurmountable.[143] ”
Atheism, uncharitableness and suicide
See also: Atheism and depression and Atheism, uncharitableness and depression and Atheism and suicide
A number of studies have confirmed that there is an inverse relationship to doing volunteer work and depression.[144] The atheist population has a higher suicide rate than the general population. (see: Atheism and suicide).
Ex-Christians, self-esteem and suicide
See also: Ex-Christians, self-esteem and suicide and Atheism and depression and Atheism and self-esteem and Richard Dawkins and Jesse Kilgore and Ex-atheists
There are preliminary studies indicating that individuals who reject Christianity in Western cultures have lower self-esteem than the Christian population.[145][146] There are studies indicating that lower self-esteem is associated with suicidality.[147][148]
Atheism, gender, marriage and suicide
See also: Atheism and depression
Please see: Atheism, gender and suicide and Atheism, marriage and suicide
Stephen Fry is an atheist and a homosexual.
(photo obtained from Wikimedia Commons, see license agreement)Atheism and obesity
See also: Atheism and obesity and Atheism and health
According to the Gallup Organization, “Very religious Americans are more likely to practice healthy behaviors than those who are moderately religious or nonreligious.”[149] For more information please Atheism and obesity
Gallup declared concerning the study which measured the degree to which religiosity affects health practices: “Generalized linear model analysis was used to estimate marginal scores all five reported metrics after controlling for age (in years), gender, race/ethnicity, marital status, education (number of years), log of income, and region of the country… Results are based on telephone interviews conducted as part of the Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index survey Jan. 2-July 28, 2010, with a random sample of 554,066 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia, selected using random-digit-dial sampling.”[150]
Please see:
Atheism and obesity
Atheism and health
Psychology, obesity, religiosity and atheism
New Atheism and obesity
Atheism, obesity and self-esteem
Homosexuality and obesity
Atheism is significantly less appealing to women
see also: Atheism and women and Elevatorgate
Christian women at a religious retreat. Studies and web traffic data appear to indicate that women in the Western World tend to be more religious than men.[151][152]Recent studies
Surveys by country
In November of 2010, Discover Magazine published survey results published by the World Values Survey which showed significant differences between the percentage of men and women who are atheists for various countries.[153]
United States surveys
A 2008 study by Trinity College found that women are significantly more religious than men in America.[154] In 2007, the Pew Research Center found that American women were more religious than American men.[155]
Atheist PZ Myers commentary concerning atheist meetings
In June of 2010, the atheist PZ Myers commented that atheist meetings tend to be significantly more attended by males.[156]
Large atheist group survey and atheist meetings
In 2011, Beliefnetnews reported concerning the race and gender of American atheists:
“ From the smallest local meetings to the largest conferences, the vast majority of speakers and attendees are almost always white men. Leading figures of the atheist movement – Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Daniel Dennett — are all white men.
But making atheism more diverse is proving to be no easy task.
Surveys suggest most atheists are white men. A recent survey of 4,000 members of the Freedom from Religion Foundation found that 95 percent were white, and men comprised a majority.[157]
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2010 New York Times description of atheist meeting attendees
In 2010, an atheists’ meeting was organized in the United States concerning the future direction of the atheist movement and 370 people attended. The New York Times described the attendees as “The largely white and male crowd — imagine a Star Trek convention, but older…”. [158]
Prominent general atheist websites appear to receive significantly less traffic from women
The website run by the organization American Atheist has significantly less women trafficking their website according to Alexa and Quantcast.[159][160] The Internet Infidels website has significantly less woman trafficking their website according to Alexa and Quantcast.[161][162] The British Website New Humanist Magazine receives significantly less traffic from women according to Alexa and Quantcast.[163][164] Atheist Ireland also has significantly less women trafficking their website according to Alexa (there is no web traffic data from Quantcast).[165]
New Atheism websites appear to receive significantly less traffic from women
The four most prominent writers of the New Atheist movement are Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Daniel Dennett. Like Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris has his own website. According to the website tracking firms Alexa and Quantcast women frequent the website of Samharris.org and richarddawkins.net significantly less than men.[166]
Summary
The above data suggest that atheism in general and the New Atheism movement is significantly less appealing to women in the Western World.
Atheism and marriageability
See also: Atheism and marriage
Studies indicate that atheists are a minority in the population. Studies also indicate that people tend to marry people with similar values or who resemble their parents or themselves.[167][168] In addition, the Bible teaches Christians not to marry a non-Christian (The Bible also teaches a believer to stay married to a non-believer if you are already married).[169] Also, interfaith marriages often have greater marital friction and interfaith marriages historically have had higher rates of divorce.[170] Therefore, it would not be surprising if atheist/theist marriages also have increased marital friction and higher rates of divorce since these two worldviews are so different.
Given that atheism appears to be significantly less appealing to women, atheists are a minority in the population and that people tend to marry people with similar values or who resemble their parents or themselves; this would suggest that male atheists may find it more difficult to find prospective female partners for marriage. And of course, militant atheism might make matters even more difficult.
Atheism and rates of marriage in the United States
See also: Atheism and women
Christian apologist Michael Caputo wrote:
“ Recently the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life has published its mammoth study on Religion in America based on 35,000 interviews… According to the Pew Forum a whopping 37% of atheists never marry as opposed to 19% of the American population, 17% of Protestants and 17% of Catholics.[171] ”
Vox Day declared that according to the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS) “more than half of all atheists and agnostics don’t get married.”[172]
The claim that atheists tend to be quarrelsome and socially challenged men
See also: Atheism and women and Elevatorgate
In 2007, Vox Day wrote:
“ It’s not just a figment of my imagination, it seems atheists truly are socially autistic by their own report. Asperger’s Syndrome is a disorder described as “autistic psychopathy” by its discoverer, Dr. Hans Asperger. Those with the disorder tend to be intelligent, socially awkward and difficult to converse with. They are also likely to be male.
Based on Wired magazine’s observation that atheists tend to be quarrelsome, socially challenged men, to say nothing of the unpleasant personalities of leading public atheists such as Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Michel Onfray, one could reasonably hypothesize that there is likely to be a strong correlation between Asperger’s and atheism. It’s by no means a scientific test, but it is interesting to note the coincidence that 59 of the virulent atheists over at Dr. PZ Myers place report an average score on the Asperger’s Quotient test of 27.8. And this does not include the two individuals who actually have Asperger’s but did not report any test results.
The test notes that “Scores over 32 are generally taken to indicate Asperger’s Syndrome or high-functioning autism”. The average male score is 18, the average female score is 15. By way of comparison, I scored 14…
Obviously, more comprehensive and scientific tests would be advised before any definite conclusion can be reached…[173]
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In 2010, the Christian apologetics website True Free Thinker wrote:
“ Scienceblogger Chad Orzel described the commentators on PZ Myers ‘ Scienceblogs.com site Pharyngula, and other Scienceblogs.com commentators, as “screechy monkeys.”[174] ”
Of course, there is no necessity to assert that atheists are more likely to have Asperger’s Syndrome. The historical militancy of the atheist/evolutionist community and the ideas their ideologies have often engendered provides more than enough explanatory power to explain the origin of the quarrelsomeness and other social deficiencies of many in the atheists/evolutionist population (see: militant atheism and social effects of the theory of evolution ). In fact, it is arguably the best explanation for the quarrelsomeness and other social deficiencies of many in the atheist/evolutionist community. In addition, ultimately the decision to reject or be reconciled with God is a matter relating to the grace of God and free will and nobody is forced into atheism due to a physical condition.
In February of 2010, the news organization The Telegraph reported that the atheist and evolutionist Richard Dawkins was embroiled “in a bitter online battle over plans to rid his popular internet forum for atheists of foul language, insults and ‘frivolous gossip’.”[175] In addition, Richard Dawkins has a reputation for being abrasive. For example, in September of 2010, Richard Dawkins became nasty towards a woman in an audience he spoke before (see: Women’s views of Richard Dawkins).[176]
See also: Elevatorgate (scandal involving Richard Dawkins)
Obese atheists and marriageability
See also: Atheism and obesity
As indicated earlier, atheists have significantly lower rates of marriage in the United States. According to the abstract for a paper presented at the 2004 annual meeting of the American Sociological Association: “Obese individuals have fewer dating opportunities, marry later and marry less desirable partners.”[177] For more information please see: Atheism and obesity
Obese male atheists and marriageability
See also: Atheism and obesity
Given that atheism appears to be significantly less appealing to women, obesity reduces one’s marriageability, atheists are a minority in the population and that people tend to marry people with similar values or who resemble their parents or themselves as noted above; this would suggest that obese male atheists may find it more difficult to find prospective female partners for marriage. And of course, militant atheism might make matters even more difficult. For more information please see Atheism and obesity
New Atheism movement and contention between atheist men and women
See also: Abrasiveness of Richard Dawkins and Atheist factions
Within the militant New Atheism movement, there appears to be a significant amount of contention between men and women with complaints from women that there is a significant amount of misogny within the atheist community and its leadership is too heavily populated with men.[178][179] This may partly explain why Western atheism is less appealing to Western women (see: Atheism appears to be significantly less appealing to women). In addition, the significant amount of contention between men and women may apply to Western atheism as a whole. As noted earlier, Wired magazine made the observation that atheists tend to be quarrelsome, socially challenged men.
Western atheism and race
See also: Western atheism and race
As note earlier, an atheists’ meeting was organized in the United States concerning the future direction of the atheist movement and 370 people attended. The conference, sponsored by the Council for Secular Humanism, drew members from all the major atheist organizations in the United States. The New York Times described the attendees as “The largely white and male crowd — imagine a Star Trek convention, but older…”[180] According to the Quantcast data, white males appear to be the group of individuals who are most receptive to Richard Dawkins’ and atheist Sam Harris’ message.[181][182] These findings,combined with the aforementioned data indicating that atheism is significantly less appealing to women, suggests that atheist movement in the Western world and New Atheism movement are significantly more appealing to white males.
Atheism and evolutionary racism
An evolutionary racist put Ota Benga on display at the Bronx Zoo in the monkey house.[183]See also: Atheism and evolutionary racism and Social effects of the theory of evolution
Since World War II a majority of the most prominent and vocal defenders of the evolutionary position which employs methodological naturalism have been atheists.[184] The errant and ill founded writings of atheist Charles Darwin (see: religious views of Charles Darwin) [185], which became very influential in the late 19th century, provided a pretext for racism. Evolutionary racism refers to a racist philosophy based on Charles Darwin’s evolutionary theory. It assumes that men have continually evolved, and thus some races are more evolved than others. It replaces Christian morality with the atheistic “survival of the fittest” ideology of Social Darwinism.
Charles Darwin wrote in his work The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex:
“ At some future period not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes…will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest Allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as the baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla.[186][187] ”
An example of evolutionary racism is when an evolutionary racist put Ota Benga on display at the Bronx Zoo in the monkey house.[188] In addition, evolutionary racism was directed at Michelle Obama.[189]
The atheist Ernst Haeckel was a virulent evolutionary racist. The agnostic and staunch evolutionist Stephen Gould admitted the following:
“ Haeckel was the chief apostle of evolution in Germany…. His evolutionary racism; his call to the German people for racial purity and unflinching devotion to a “just” state; his belief that harsh, inexorable laws of evolution ruled human civilization and nature alike, conferring upon favored races the right to dominate others; the irrational mysticism that had always stood in strange communion with his brave words about objective science – all contributed to the rise of Nazism. – Stephen J. Gould, “Ontogeny and Phylogeny,” Belknap Press: Cambridge MA, 1977, pp.77-78).[190] ”
Stephen Jay Gould
(photo obtained from Wikimedia commons, see license agreement)As noted earlier, when asked in an interview, “If we do not acknowledge some sort of external [standard], what is to prevent us from saying that the Muslim [extremists] aren’t right?”, Richard Dawkins replied, “What’s to prevent us from saying Hitler wasn’t right? I mean, that is a genuinely difficult question, but whatever [defines morality], it’s not the Bible. If it was, we’d be stoning people for breaking the Sabbath.”[191]
The interviewer wrote in response, “I was stupefied. He had readily conceded that his own philosophical position did not offer a rational basis for moral judgments. His intellectual honesty was refreshing, if somewhat disturbing on this point.”[191]
Evolutionary racism still exist today. For example, evolutionary racism was recently directed at Michelle Obama.[192] The historic taint of white evolutionary racism within the white atheist community no doubt has been a factor which has hindered the adoption of atheism in the Western World among racial minorities. Leading creation science organizations such as Creation Ministries International, Answers in Genesis and the Institute for Creation Research commonly point out the evolutionary racism that has existed within the evolutionary community.[193][194][195][196]
Thomas Sowell wrote:
“ While slavery was common to all civilizations, as well as to peoples considered uncivilized, only one civilization developed a moral revulsion against it, very late in hits history…not even the leading moralists in other civilizations rejected slavery at all…. Moreover, within Western civilization, the principle impetus for the abolition of slavery came first from very conservative religious activists – people who would today be called ‘the religious right.’…this story is not ‘politically correct’ in today’s terms. Hence it is ignored, as if it never happened.”[197] ”
The Christian abolitionist William Wilberforce was the father of Samuel Wilberforce, Bishop of Oxford who took part in the famous creation vs. evolution with evolutionist T. H. Huxley in 1860. In the United States, the black church has been a major force in advancing the cause of racial equality.
Atheism and deception
Charles DarwinFor more information please see: Atheism and deception and Irreligion and superstition
As alluded to earlier, prior to Charles Darwin publishing his evolutionist work On The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life, Darwin wrote in his private notebooks that he was a materialist, which is a type of atheist.[198] Charles Darwin’s casual mentioning of a ‘creator’ in earlier editions of The Origin of Species appears to have been a merely a deceitful ploy to downplay the implications of his materialistic theory. [198]
German scientist Ernst Haeckel was a very influential proponent of the evolutionary position and Haeckel was an advocate of atheism.[199] Ernst Haeckel attempted to portray himself as an ethical proponent of atheism, however, history shows he was a deceitful individual.[200][199][201] [202][203] The March 9, 1907 edition of the NY Times refers to Ernst Haeckel as the “celebrated Darwinian and founder of the Association for the Propagation of Ethical Atheism.”[199]
Noted evolutionist Stephen Gould wrote the following regarding Ernst Haeckel’s work in a March 2000 issue of Natural History:
“ “Haeckel’s forceful, eminently comprehensible, if not always accurate, books appeared in all major languages and surely exerted more influence than the works of any other scientist, including Darwin…in convincing people throughout the world about the validity of evolution… Haeckel had exaggerated the similarities [between embryos of different species] by idealizations and omissions. He also, in some cases — in a procedure that can only be called fraudulent — simply copied the same figure over and over again.…Haeckel’s drawings never fooled expert embryologists, who recognized his fudgings right from the start. Haeckel’s drawings, despite their noted inaccuracies, entered into the most impenetrable and permanent of all quasi-scientific literatures: standard student textbooks of biology… Once ensconced in textbooks, misinformation becomes cocooned and effectively permanent, because…textbooks copy from previous texts…. [W]e do, I think, have the right to be both astonished and ashamed by the century of mindless recycling that has led to the persistence of these drawings in a large number, if not a majority, of modern textbooks!”[204] ”
Stephen Gould continues by quoting Michael Richardson of the St. George’s Hospital Medical School in London, who stated: “I know of at least fifty recent biology texts which use the drawings uncritically”.[204]
Intelligent design theorist Michael Behe exposed the fraudulent nature of Haeckel’s embryos in a NY Times article.[202] It appears as if Stephen Gould was irritated that the fraud was exposed in manner that publicly embarrassed the evolutionary community – namely though a high profile NY Times article.[202]
In addition, many of the ideas that Haeckel supported had a number of negative social effects.
Modern proponents of atheism and deception
As mentioned previously, a majority of the most prominent and vocal defenders of the evolutionary position which employs methodological naturalism since World War II have had the worldview of atheism.[205][206] The continued use of deceitfulness has continued by modern evolutionists. In recent times, evolutionists have tried to convince the public of the supposed validity of the evolutionary position by frequently using the term “overwhelming evidence” or similar terms in relation to the alleged existence of evidence that supports their position.[207] For example, Richard Dawkins, a prominent advocate of atheism and the evolutionary position, claimed in an interview with journalist Bill Moyers that there is “massive evidence” for the theory of evolution.[208] However, the scientific literature certainly contains material which illustrates the deceitfulness of stating there is “overwhelming evidence” to support the evolutionary position which is a commonly cited aspect of Western world atheism. For example, in January 2000 scientist Simon Conway Morris stated the following:
“ When discussing organic evolution the only point of agreement seems to be: “It happened.” Thereafter, there is little consensus, which at first sight must seem rather odd. -(Simon Conway Morris, [palaeontologist, Department of Earth Sciences, Cambridge University, UK], “Evolution: Bringing Molecules into the Fold,” Cell, Vol. 100, pp.1-11, January 7, 2000, p.11)[209] ”
Jonathan SarfatiDr. Jonathan Sarfati states the following in relation to the diluted definition of the word “evolution”:
“ …many evolutionary propagandists are guilty of the deceitful practice of equivocation, that is, switching the meaning of a single word (evolution) part way through an argument. A common tactic, ‘bait-and-switch,’ is simply to produce examples of change over time, call this ‘evolution,’ then imply that the GTE [General Theory of Evolution] is thereby proven or even essential, and creation disproved. The PBS Evolution series and the Scientific American article are full of examples of this fallacy.[210] ”
Evolutionary paradigm – degree of public support
In 2010, the Gallup organization reported that 40% of Americans believe in young earth creationism.[211] In January 2006, the BBC reported concerning Britain:
“ Just under half of Britons accept the theory of evolution as the best description for the development of life, according to an opinion poll.
Furthermore, more than 40% of those questioned believe that creationism or intelligent design (ID) should be taught in school science lessons.[212]
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The Wall Street Journal reported: “A comprehensive new study released by Baylor University yesterday, shows …that the irreligious and the members of more liberal Protestant denominations, far from being resistant to superstition, tend to be much more likely to believe in the paranormal and in pseudoscience than evangelical Christians.”[213]Irreligion and superstition
See also: Irreligion and superstition and Theory of Evolution, Liberalism, Atheism, and Irrationality and
In September of 2008, the Wall Street Journal reported:
“ The reality is that the New Atheist campaign, by discouraging religion, won’t create a new group of intelligent, skeptical, enlightened beings. Far from it: It might actually encourage new levels of mass superstition. And that’s not a conclusion to take on faith — it’s what the empirical data tell us.
“What Americans Really Believe,” a comprehensive new study released by Baylor University yesterday, shows that traditional Christian religion greatly decreases belief in everything from the efficacy of palm readers to the usefulness of astrology. It also shows that the irreligious and the members of more liberal Protestant denominations, far from being resistant to superstition, tend to be much more likely to believe in the paranormal and in pseudoscience than evangelical Christians….
This is not a new finding. In his 1983 book “The Whys of a Philosophical Scrivener,” skeptic and science writer Martin Gardner cited the decline of traditional religious belief among the better educated as one of the causes for an increase in pseudoscience, cults and superstition. He referenced a 1980 study published in the magazine Skeptical Inquirer that showed irreligious college students to be by far the most likely to embrace paranormal beliefs, while born-again Christian college students were the least likely.[214]
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Evolution, irreligion, extraterrestial life, UFOlogy and other pseudoscience
For more information please see: Irreligion and superstition
The notions of extraterrestrial life and UFOlogy are fast growing pseudoscientific religions which are perpetuated and/or aided by the ideologies of evolutionists, atheists, liberals and other promoters of quackery.[215][216][217] However, the ideologies of extraterrestrial life, UFOlogy, exobiology, evolution and abiogenesis are anti-biblical ideas which are not supported by sound science.[218][219]
The liberal and agnostic Carl Sagan, an avid smoker of marijuana who claimed that marijuana gave him scientific insights, was a prominent peddler of extraterrestial life, evolution and other pseudoscientific nonsense. Sagan’s agnosticism and avid marijuana smoking no doubt helped inspire Sagan’s pseudoscientific fantasy that evolution was a “fact”.[220][221]
No doubt pseudoscientific and superstitious thinking in many cases is partly due to a lack of self-discipline as rigorous scientific and logical thinking requires disciplined thought[222]
Irreligious/atheistic France and the Soviet Union and UFOlogy
See also: Irreligion and superstition and Christianity and UFOs
On January 4, 2003, it was reported in the newspaper the Toledo Blade concerning the irreligious countries of the former Soviet Union and France that “in countries with a high degree of occult activity such as Russia during the Soviet era, France, and certain parts of Brazil also had high percentages of UFO encounters. During Russia’s Soviet period when every expression of religion except occult activity had been outlawed, he said, “Russians were seeing UFOs at five to eight times the rate Americans were.”[223]
Christian apologists who reject naturalistic explanations of life such as the theory of evolution argue that difficult to explain UFOs are spiritual in nature and not amenable to naturalistic explanation.[224]
Library of Congress researcher’s findings on UFOs
See also: Atheism and satanic deception
Lynn Cato, senior bibliographer for the library of Congress, created a 1600 entry on UFO bibliography for the United States Air Force Office of Scientific Research. After a two year investigation, in which she reviewed thousands of documents, Catoe stated:
“ A large part of the available UFO literature…deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities…poltergeist manifestations and ‘possession’….Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomenon which have long been known to theologians and parapsychologists.[225][226] ”
Prominent UFO researcher John Keel concurred. After surveying the literature on demonology Keel declared:[226]
“ The manifestations and occurrences described in this imposing literature are similar if not entirely identical to the UFO phenomenon itself. ”
Intellectuals increasingly rejecting atheistic ideology
According to Munich theologian Wolfhart Pannenberg “Atheism as a theoretical position is in decline worldwide.”[227] Given that the evolutionary position is a often cited component of the ideology of atheism in the Western world, the gradual loss of public support of the evolutionary position is one of the many factors which are eroding the ideology of atheism. Oxford scholar Alister McGrath cites a number of additional factors in regards to the decline of atheism as an intellectual position.[228] [229]
Given the many factors which are eroding atheistic ideology McGrath states:
“ …Atheism is in trouble. Its future seems increasingly to lie in the private beliefs of individuals rather than in the great public domain it once regarded as its natural habitat.[230] ”
Christian websites with a large focus on the topic of atheism
See also: Atheism and the internet
Four of the more notable Christian apologetics which have a large focus on the topic of atheism are: True Free Thinker, the Creation Ministries International resources on atheism, the Fixed Point Foundation website, and Atheism Analyzed.
Liberal media – apostles of atheism
The Media Research Center released a study in 2008 reporting pro-atheism bias by major press outlets in the United States.[231] The study is not surprising given the liberal bias that commonly exists in the major media outlets.
Richard Dawkins, pseudoscience, and other errors
For more information please see: Richard Dawkins and pseudoscience and Richard Dawkins, atheist atrocities, and historical revisionism
Within the evolutionary science community and the creation science community, Richard Dawkins has faced charges of engaging in pseudoscience and also has faced charges of committing elementary errors.[232][233]Richard Dawkins is an atheist, biologist, evolutionist and leftist/liberal. Most of Richard Dawkins’ popular books have been on the topic of evolutionary biology. He is an ardent opponent of religion, which he dismisses as mere superstition.[234] However, Dawkins has offered no effective rebuttal to studies which show that the irreligious are more likely to be superstitious than evangelical Christians.[235] Moreover, in terms of the theism vs. atheism issue, Dawkins has shown himself to be rather ignorant in matters of theology and philosophy. For example, atheist philosopher Dr. Michael Ruse declared concerning Dawkins’ book The God Delusion: “The God Delusion makes me embarrassed to be an atheist.”[236]
Richard Dawkins and debates
Richard Dawkins has established a reputation for avoiding debates with his strongest opponents. In the case of his debate with Rabbi Shmuley Boteach concerning the existence of God, Dawkins lost the debate according to the college student poll of the debate which determined how many students changed their minds.[237] Dawkins later tried to claim the debate never took place despite the fact that the Dawkins vs. Boteach debate was videotaped (see: Richard Dawkins and Rabbi Shmuley Boteach).
Richard Dawkins and pseudoscience
see also: Richard Dawkins and pseudoscience
Within the evolutionary science community and the creation science community, Richard Dawkins has faced charges of engaging in pseudoscience and also has faced charges of committing elementary errors.[238][239]
Reasonable explanations for atheism
See main article: Causes of atheism and Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian
There are a number of reasonable explanations for atheism:
Matthew HenryMoral depravity: The history of the atheist community and various studies regarding the atheist community point to moral depravity being a causal factor for atheism.[240] In addition, there is the historical matter of deceit being used in a major way to propagate atheism from the time of Charles Darwin onward. Francis Thompson wrote: “Maybe the atheist cannot find God for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman.” (see also: Atheism and morality ). The Bible asserts that “The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God.’ They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.” (Psalms 14:1 (KJV)). The biblical fool is said to be lacking in sound judgment and the biblical fool is also associated with moral depravity. For example, the biblical book of Proverbs states: “A wise man is cautious and turns away from evil, But a fool is arrogant and careless. A quick-tempered man acts foolishly, And a man of evil devices is hated. The naive inherit foolishness, But the sensible are crowned with knowledge.”(Proverbs 14:16-18 (NASB)). The book of Proverbs also has strong words regarding the depravity of biblical fools: “The desire accomplished is sweet to the soul: but [it is] abomination to fools to depart from evil.” (Proverbs 13:9 (KJV)). Regarding the deceitfulness of fools Proverbs states: “The wisdom of the sensible is to understand his way, But the foolishness of fools is deceit.” (Proverbs 14:8 (KJV)). Noted Bible commentator and clergyman Matthew Henry wrote regarding atheism: “A man that is endued with the powers of reason, by which he is capable of knowing, serving, glorifying, and enjoying his Maker, and yet lives without God in the world, is certainly the most despicable and the most miserable animal under the sun.”[241]
Noted ex-atheist and psychologist Dr. Paul VitzAtheistic upbringing. However, according to recent research by the Pew Forum Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, in the United States, a majority of those surveyed who were raised in atheist or agnostic households, or where there was no specific religious attachment, later chose to join a religious faith.[242][243] In addition, as noted earlier, Christianity is experiencing rapid growth in atheistic communist China and has experienced rapid growth in former communist countries. [244][245][246]
Rebellion: Atheism stems from a deliberate choice to ignore the reality of God’s existence[247] Dinesh D’Souza declared: “Look at Satan’s reason for rebelling against God. It’s not that he doesn’t recognize that God is greater than he is. He does. It’s just that he doesn’t want to play by anybody else’s rules. This idea that it is better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven is Satan’s motto, and it turns out that this is also the motto of contemporary atheists such as Christopher Hitchens.” [248]
Naiveté/Gullibility: Many atheists have embraced a number of far fetched, unworkable, and errant notions and ideologies such as communism, abiogenesis, and evolution despite abundant evidence of their falsity.
Irrational thinking: As noted earlier, a comprehensive study by Baylor University found that the irreligious and the members of more liberal Protestant denominations, tend to be much more likely to believe in the paranormal and in pseudoscience than evangelical Christians.[249] Also, as noted above, a 1980 study published in the magazine Skeptical Inquirer found irreligious college students to be by far the most likely to embrace paranormal beliefs, while born again Christian college students were found to be the least likely.[250]
Superficiality: Noted ex-atheist and psychologist Dr. Paul Vitz has stated that he had superficial reasons for becoming an atheist such as the desire to be accepted by his Stanford University professors who were united in disbelief regarding God.[251]
Error: Some argue that atheism
Luckily BU has different rules to the rest of the world about what you can say about homosexuals and religions with charges for defamation not applicable
Caswell Franklyn | November 1, 2011 at 1:03 AM |
It was the British who introduced homosexuality to Barbados and now they are bullying us to conform to their warped behaviour.
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They also introduced us to Cricket and we were ,until recently, happy to be always on top of them. So what’s new
Colonel Buggery
Are you equating cricket to bulling?
39,639 words from the one escapee from the Bat Cave to press the down key on before you get a chance to read the comments of anyone else. My fathers!!!!! My system tells me that this amounts to over 80 pages of letter-size paper.
@David wrote ”David | November 1, 2011 at 1:01 AM | @TheDoc
Many continue to question if this is a human rights issue at all.
If there is no empirical evidence to support genetic shortcomings why not treat homosexuality as a malady which has to be attended”
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Inherently it is and has to be a human rights issue, as it involves the personal right to choice, without harming others. No more, no less need be said.
As one person chooses a member of the opposite sex for companionship, another may not.
What skin off your or mine noses? Will it take bread from my mouth? Will it cause me to enjoy eating a sandwich by the sea watching the sunset going down, for example, any less??
If these souls choose that for themselves, it is a personal right and human right, nuff said.
And contrary to any gobbledegook, eventually these souls WILL live on and continue past this worldly life, when the time comes, they are as you and I, souls experiencing life.
No more nor less.
Caswell Franklyn | November 7, 2011 at 2:37 PM |
Colonel Buggery
Are you equating cricket to bulling?
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Buggy ,Buggy ,Buggy as in a super donkey cart.
Course I am not equating buggery with cricket.All that I am pointing is that as individuals we had the choice of to either refuse to play the games or learn and accept them. If we accepted openly,then we cannot blame the Brits for that.
Ten of the 27 countries in the European Union do not allow gay people to serve openly in the Armed Forces. namely; Bulgaria, Cyprus, Greece,Hungary, Latvia, Malta ,Poland ,Portugal Romania and Slovakia, who despite an EU ruling on human rights are under no obligation to change their rules. These countries mostly, are piss poor and on the brink of bankruptcy having to receive large amounts of aid and bale out packages from the United Kingdom either directly or via the EU. Has the British Prime Minister ever threatened to withhold aid from these countries? Course not, as British Prime Minister Harold Wilson, put it over the Rhodesia issue, “they are our kith and kin. ” Threatening to, or withholding aid is the British 21st Century’s version of Gunboat Diplomacy.
Sir “Sleepy” Smith has long been advocating, the scrapping of the monarchy when the present reign of Her Majesty QE2 is ends. Following the British Prime Ministers condescending,bully boy speech ,I am sure that Sir Frederick will gain much more support.
Perhaps David Cameron would like to see a much reduced British Commonwealth, comprising the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
Exposing the Homosexual / Pedophile Link
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In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199 cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male teachers had molested boys and four female homosexual teachers had molested girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.
Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences, describes the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. This researcher compared the molestation rates of self-confessed homosexual and heterosexual child molesters. In a sample of 153 homosexual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981 molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester. Self-admitted heterosexual molesters admitted to 4,435 molestations. This comes to 19.8 victims per molester. Dr. Abel concluded that homosexuals “sexually molest young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls.”
This high rate of molestations by homosexuals is consistent with other studies conducted during the past several decades. Here are just a few studies that show homosexuals molesting children at epidemic rates:
In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescents who were sex offenders found that 35 of them were homosexuals (22%). (Wasserman, J., “Adolescent Sex Offenders—Vermont, 1984” Journal American Medical Association, 1986; 255:181-2)
In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third were bisexual, and a third were homosexual. (Dr. Raymond Knight, “Differential Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters,” Eastern Psychological Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991)
Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of the sex offenders were homosexual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36% of the molesters were homosexuals. (Freund, K. “Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,” Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy, 1984; 10:193-200)
Human Rights, Social Justice and ‘Gay’ Spin
How Schools Deceive and Corrupt Kids
Linda Harvey
Is homosexuality a human right? Is it an issue of social justice? Yes, if you listen to liberal educators, many U.N. affiliated groups, and self-labeled “progressive” churches.
But no, it’s not, if you heed the word of God. Homosexuality is not innate, it’s not God-ordained, and it’s always a sin in Scripture, something that separates the practitioner from God.
Two homosexuals and their sexual actions are always outside the will of God, with or without a commitment or some notion of “marriage.” By contrast, a heterosexual couple is outside the will of God if they have sex before marriage, but fine after marriage. The structure is designed by God, so sin here is a timing issue. But homosexuality is always a structural dysfunction. It’s just that simple, and virtually all cultures recognize this.
But youth are hearing the “social justice” spin literally everywhere now, and it is dulling their eyes to obvious truths. Why are advocates using this particular twist? They are desperate to re-position these activities as “identity,” and move away from a close look at the unnatural, high risk and degrading behaviors of homosexuality. How can we make sure our kids are not deceived by the seductive but erroneous concept that homosexuality is a noble “right”?
Social Justice at School
If your son or daughter comes home with an assignment on “social justice,” make sure you look through the backpack. “Homophobia” and “heterosexism” may be some of the “injustices” taught in these lessons.
Some schools observe the United Nations “Human Rights Day” on December 10 and weave in pro-homosexual sentiments. Others go much further and observe the so-called “Coming Out Day” for homosexuals on October 11.
Many high schools teach about the Matthew Shepard case as part of “injustice.” Matthew Shepard is the homosexual college student murdered in 1998 in Laramie, Wyoming. His murder is held up as evidence of widespread discrimination and “hatred” of homosexuals, and also as validating the need for hate crimes legislation including sexual orientation as a special category.
But an investigation by ABC’s “20/20” revealed that money and drugs motivated the two murderers, not prejudice against a homosexual.1 The killers are both serving life sentences. But that’s evidently not enough justice.
Despite the facts, high schools throughout the country are producing a drama about Matthew Shepard as a routine part of “social justice” curricula. A play called “The Laramie Project” (which was also a movie) has been produced in West Des Moines, Iowa, York, PA, Arlington Heights, IL, Bloomfield, NJ, Sleepy Hollow, NY, Seattle, WA, several high schools in Oregon, all over California and even in Shenandoah Junction, WV and Danville, KY.
In many of these school districts, parents did object but their concerns were overruled. In Beaverton, OR and Oakhurst, NJ, school officials at one point cancelled the play’s production, only to cave in and re-schedule the play after pressure from homosexual activists.2
The play has even been produced in several Catholic high schools: St. Ignatius in Cleveland, OH; Bishop O’Dowd in Oakland, CA and Jesuit High in Beaverton, OR.
The drama is an inaccurate propaganda piece that includes sex, profanity, violence and anti-Christian elements. In some cases, the profanity is toned down in the high school productions. But the flagrant deception remains.
To complicate matters, the loony anti-homosexual protester Fred Phelps has picketed several of these plays. He is featured in the play because he picketed Shepard’s funeral. Phelps always makes the local news and is depicted as representative of those who oppose homosexuality. His irrational venom does not represent a pro-family position, and all the major Christian groups have denounced his message and tactics. (We do as well).
Regarding the play, the picture is not totally bleak. The sense of school officials and parental objections have resulted in the cancellation of “The Laramie Project” productions in high schools in Surrey, BC, and Yakima, WA.
Social justice endorsement of homosexuality can permeate a curriculum. In the Canadian province of British Columbia, school officials have drafted a pilot program which aims to teach students how to “move toward a socially-just world.” Diversity and acceptance of homosexuality are throughout the program. One of the lessons will “analyze specific examples of injustice in Canada related to characteristics such as…sexual orientation.”3
Fixing Schools by Creating Student Revolutionaries
In troubled school districts like Boston and Chicago, the “social justice” concept is sometimes much more than one lesson. Now, themed high schools called “social justice academies” are the newest experiment to fix failing schools. These urban schools are essentially taking disadvantaged kids and under the guise of “excellence,” have begun training teens as left-wing activists.
In Boston, the Social Justice Academy at Hyde Park High School claims to provide “rigorous” academics. “SJA will guide its students to be critically thinking, informed and empowered agents of positive change in their communities…” says its mission statement, yet one of its first “core values” is “an anti-bias orientation (race, class, religion, sexual orientation, gender, “ability”).” 4 Student input is of high importance. The school has partnerships with a laundry list of left-wing educational groups, including Harvard School of Public Health and Facing History and Ourselves.
So far, the rigorous academics aren’t very visible. The Great Schools web site rates this school at 1 (the lowest on a 1-10 scale). The score for English was 38%,and math was 29%, reflecting students who tested at proficiency level or above. 5
The Social Justice High School in Chicago lists one of its core values as “Struggle and Sacrifice…Our struggle is against systems of power that have been historically used to deny, regulate, and prohibit access to the most basic human rights that should be granted freely to members of society regardless of race, class, gender, sexual orientation, or religious belief. We accept the reality that such struggle will require sacrifice from all involved.”6 There is no rating yet on this school of 100 ninth graders.
Is this the solution to failing schools? Is this what will give minority students a leg up — fine-tuning rage against traditional values? Learning to be “inclusive” of sexual deviancy? This is a recipe for more failure, not less.
But, hold on. It’s not just inner-city kids who are guinea pigs. There are also “social justice academies” as special programs at suburban high schools like North Hollywood High (CA) and East Chapel Hill High (NC).
Where does this nonsense get started? First, educators get indoctrinated in teachers’ colleges. Sol Stern in Front Page Magazine wrote about the prestigious Teachers College of Columbia University, where “social justice” permeates every aspect of course work.
And terrorists are the tutors. Stern points out that one of the leaders of the social justice education movement is none other than William Ayers,
….who took a doctorate in early childhood education from Teachers College in the late 1980s and is now Distinguished Professor of Early Childhood Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Ayers will be remembered as one of the leaders of the Weather Underground of the 1960s and 1970s. He participated in numerous acts of terrorism against our democratic institutions during that period, including planting a bomb in the Pentagon. Coming up from the underground in the early 1980s, Ayers found a second act for himself as an education professor… Without having expressed a word of repentance for his terrorist past, Ayers now promotes the infusion of “social justice” teaching throughout the K-12 curriculum.7
Ayers also wrote an endorsement appearing on the cover of the radical book Queering Elementary Education (Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, Inc.,1999), which has a foreword written by none other than Kevin Jennings, founder and president of GLSEN, the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network.
This perhaps explains at least in part why radical “gay” activism goes hand in hand today with a virulent, anarchistic strain of anti-Americanism in today’s left-leaning youth. How ironic that affluent, healthy, privileged American youth are learning in social justice lessons that, being the “oppressed,” they can now justifiably become the oppressors.
This so-called veneer of ‘Human Rights’ that pervades the ‘Homosexual’ agenda, is an abased, lie, deception, that IS* VALUE-NEUTRAL, and VALUE-FREE, which it is seeking to IMPOSE on the rest of society, under this ‘Human Rights’ facade, to ultimately DESTROY by legal sanction, the TRUE definition of marriage, that Almighty God ordained between one man and one woman, the historic bedrock upon which, all socities, both ancient and modern flourished, UNTIL this amoral, disguisting, filthy paractice, et al entered in full swing, as is being witnessed today, and WAS one of the fundamental reasons, they ALL came to runination!
@Colonel Buggy. | November 7, 2011 at 9:13 PM. Well put. It is clearly Casewell’s time of the month. But I had to scroll down so much shite before I could comment to you. Lordeeee!
Yes, gays have often been the victims of prejudice. But they now risk becoming the new McCarthyites
By Melanie Phillips
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Here’s a question shortly coming to an examination paper near you. What have mathematics, geography or science to do with homosexuality?
Nothing at all, you say? Zero marks for you, then.
For, mad as this may seem, schoolchildren are to be bombarded with homosexual references in maths, geography and science lessons as part of a Government-backed drive to promote the gay agenda.
Upholding Christian values: Peter and Hazelmary Bull fell foul of the law when they refused Steven Preddy (left) and Martin Hall (right) a room at their bed and breakfast
In geography, for example, they will be told to consider why homosexuals move from the countryside to cities. In maths, they will be taught statistics through census findings about the number of homosexuals in the population.
In science, they will be directed to animal species such as emperor penguins and sea horses, where the male takes a lead role in raising its young.
Alas, this gay curriculum is no laughing matter. Absurd as it sounds, this is but the latest attempt to brainwash children with propaganda under the camouflage of education. It is an abuse of childhood.
And it’s all part of the ruthless campaign by the gay rights lobby to destroy the very concept of normal sexual behaviour.
Not so long ago, an epic political battle raged over teaching children that homosexuality was normal. The fight over Section 28, as it became known, resulted in the repeal of the legal requirement on schools not to promote homosexuality.
More…Gay messages built into school maths lessons for children as young as FOUR
Hallelujah! Christian who says family life can beat addiction is new Government drugs adviser
As the old joke has it, what was once impermissible first becomes tolerated and then becomes mandatory.
And the other side of that particular coin, as we are now discovering, is that values which were once the moral basis for British society are now deemed to be beyond the pale.
What was once an attempt to end unpleasant attitudes towards a small sexual minority has now become a kind of bigotry in reverse.
Expressing what used to be the moral norm of Western civilisation is now not just socially impermissible, but even turns upstanding people into lawbreakers.
The bed and breakfast hoteliers Peter and Hazelmary Bull — who were recently sued for turning away two homosexuals who wished to share a bedroom — were but the latest religious believers to fall foul of the gay inquisition merely for upholding Christian values.
Dale McAlpine: Charged with making threatening, abusive or insulting remarks for saying homosexuality is a sin
Catholic adoption agencies were forced to shut down after they refused to place children with same-sex couples. Marriage registrars were forced to step down for refusing to officiate at civil unions.
Christian street preacher Dale McAlpine was charged with making threatening, abusive or insulting remarks for saying homosexuality was a sin to passers-by in Workington, Cumbria. In the event, the case against him was dropped and he won a police apology and compensation.
It seems that just about everything in Britain is now run according to the gay agenda.
For, in addition to the requirement for gay-friendly hotels, gay adoption and gay mathematics, now comes, apparently, gay drugs policy.
Last week, the Government announced the appointment of some new members to the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, who included a GP by the name of Hans-Christian Raabe.
Dr Raabe has long maintained a close interest in drug policy, on which he has robustly traditional views. He has spoken out in favour of abstinence-based approaches and criticised the flawed logic behind the claim that it is the illegality of drugs such as cannabis that is the problem.
Promising: Hans-Christian Raabe has been appointed to the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs
Considering the unhappy fact that over recent years many on the Advisory Council have taken the ultra-liberal view that treating drug-users is the priority rather than reducing their numbers, Dr Raabe’s membership of the council was very welcome news.
But as soon as his appointment was announced, Dr Raabe was targeted in an astonishing attack.
For he is also a leading member of the Manchester-based Maranatha Community, which is dedicated to re-establishing Christian values in society and which campaigns against gay rights.
It was the BBC’s Home Editor Mark Easton who led the charge. On his BBC News blog, he announced that Dr Raabe’s views on homosexuality were causing such fury among (anonymous) members of the Advisory Council that at least one member was threatening to step down.
Well may you rub your eyes at that. Just what have his views on homosexuality got to do with illegal drugs? Well, according to Easton, more than one member of the council is gay or lesbian.
How extraordinary. Just imagine if the boot were on the other foot and Dr Raabe had refused to serve on the drugs council because some of its members were gay. He would be out on his ear within the hour.
How reprehensible of the BBC to lend itself to such a partisan attack. Unsurprisingly, Easton’s remarks provoked more advocates of drug liberalisation to join in the blood-sport of baiting Dr Raabe.
Yesterday’s Observer listed among his crimes certain briefing documents he had produced for MPs identifying the benefits of marriage in fighting drug addiction.
He had written, for example, that marriage is associated with greater happiness, less depression, less alcohol abuse and less smoking. But what’s the problem with that? It happens to be true.
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Other things to try:Search http://www.dailymail.co.uk: The Observer reported that drugs charities and experts expressed surprise that someone of such ‘stringent opinions’ could be appointed to the Advisory Council.
Clearly, ‘stringent opinions’ in favour of drug liberalisation are considered entirely appropriate in such circles; but anyone who goes against the politically-correct grain on homosexuality or who has robust Christian views must be considered a bigot and thus have no place in public life.
In fact, anyone truly concerned to end the scourge of drug abuse should be delighted that at last there is a strong voice for common sense and morality on the Advisory Council.
Penalising religious people for speaking and acting in accordance with their beliefs is neither liberal nor tolerant. It is behaviour more commonly associated with totalitarian dictatorships.
It must be said that many gay people are themselves uneasy or even appalled by this increasingly oppressive use of their cause. Privately, many will say that all they ever want is to live free from discrimination and not to provoke discrimination against others.
After the case of Christian street preacher Dale McAlpine, the gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell spoke out in support of the rights of people to express their views against homosexuality — although, by contrast, he also endorsed the lawsuit against B&B owners Peter and Hazelmary Bull on the grounds that the equality laws should apply to all.
Of course, for people such as the Bulls, George Orwell’s famous observation that some are more equal than others is all too painfully true. Indeed, the obsession with equality has now reached ludicrous, as well as oppressive, proportions.
The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs has paid £100,000 for a report into how efforts to boost Britain’s coastal fish stocks would affect minority communities including the Chinese, homosexuals and Welsh speakers.
And the Department for Transport issued a study looking at harassment and discrimination on ships and hovercraft against a range of groups, including transsexuals.
Many different groups are involved in promoting this crazy, upside-down world of the equality agenda. But the seemingly all-powerful gay rights lobby carries all before it. If it isn’t careful, it risks turning gay people from being the victims of prejudice into Britain’s new McCarthyites.
Zoe | November 8, 2011 at 8:40 AM |
“The bed and breakfast hoteliers Peter and Hazelmary Bull — who were recently sued for turning away two homosexuals who wished to share a bedroom — were but the latest religious believers to fall foul of the gay inquisition merely for upholding Christian values.”
What a name “Bull”! Bajans should be ROFLTA!
Zoe, one can safely bet that these same people or their parents would have had 40 years ago a sign outside the B&B that read as follows:
No dogs, No Children, & especially NO NIGGERS!
I wonder what the said Bull couple would have done if an odd couple
Stephanie Preddy (female) and Martina Hall (female) wanted to rent a room at their bed and breakfast.?
Nnaki, You are such a classic example of the FUTILE* thinker; empty, vain, foolish, useless, confused; no wonder, then,
“Professing (Nnaki!) to be wise, they (You!) became fools.” ( Rom. 1:22 Emphasis added).
True to form!
Zoe | November 8, 2011 at 3:15 PM |
Zoe, I beg you, please help me solve this little puzzle that been put before me! Out of the estimated 7 billion people living on this planet Earth how many would you say approximately are of African descent i.e. black? Say, 700 million or say, approx. 10 % of the World population?
Are these too the descendants of those 2 white prototypes from the Eden project?
No cut & paste for your answer, please or you will have to redo your first set of homework since entering 2nd form!
@ Zoe
“In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.”
And the other 2/3 (the larger percentage) were asexual? In the US, the number of Black people in jail is disproportionate to their percentage of the population, which in 2003 was 12% and 44% respectively. Based on your reasoning, those statistics infer that we as Black people are prone to criminality.
@ enuff | November 8, 2011 at 5:12 PM |
Well done, enuff! I think this one has taken the wind out of Zoe’s sails!
@ Zoe: enuff has sank your boat! You need a lifesaver?
“Professing (Zoe!) to be wise, they (You!) became fools.” ( Rom. 1:22 Emphasis added).” Sounds familiar!
Nnaki,
“Are these too the descendants of those 2 white prototypes from the Eden project?
No cut & paste for your answer, please or you will have to redo your first set of homework since entering 2nd form!”
“Do not speak in the hearing of a fool. For he will despise the wisdom
of your words.” (Prov. 23: 9)
“Though you grind a fool in a mortar with a pestle along with crushed grain. YET, his FOOLISHNESS will not depart from him.” (Prov. 28: 22)
@ Zoe | November 8, 2011 at 6:14 PM |
Continue to look into the mirror and vainly smile at yourself while you perform your soliloquies!
@Nnaki, You likewise, carry on smartly in your deeply ingrained “Ignoratio Elenchi” well buttressed by your ‘Kakia’!
@Nnaki, So tell us, Mr. UFO’ER, dipsy-doodler, extraterrestrialist,
the following is the kind of SATANIC canard, cock-and-bull, taradiddle, CRAP that you have bought into!
“The MessageFor centuries, scholars have been debating the two main possibilities for the origin and meaning of life. Some aspire to a higher philosophical dimension, which they can’t find in the theory of evolution, while others dismiss as irrational any reference to an almighty god.
But what if another theory, one both rational and with philosophical depth, were to be available?
This is what the “Message” proposes: Thousands of years ago, scientists from another planet came to Earth and created all forms of life, including human beings, whom they created in their own image. References to these scientists and their work can be found in the ancient texts of many cultures. Due to their highly advanced technology, they were considered as gods by our primitive ancestors and often referred to as ‘Elohim’ which in ancient Hebrew meant ‘Those who came from the sky’.
Despite being a plural word, Elohim was mistranslated over time to the singular ‘God’ reference that appears in modern-day Bibles.
Nevertheless, these people who came from the sky (the Elohim) educated humanity through the ages with the help of various messengers (also called prophets) with whom they had made contact. Each messenger was given a message suitable for the level of understanding prevailing at the time, with the primary purpose of instilling basic principles of non-violence and respect. Once humanity reached a sufficient level of scientific understanding, the Elohim decided to make themselves more visible in UFO sightings and to conceive their final message. Rael was given two missions: spreading that last message on Earth and preparing an embassy to welcome the return of our creators.
The atheist ‘Intelligent Design Theory’ offers a rational solution to the age-old debate between God-believers and evolutionists. It’s compatible not only with today’s scientific discoveries but also with the ancient historical accounts of all cultures.
But don’t take our word for it. Read Intelligent Design – Message from the Designers for yourself and do your own research.
We guarantee you’ll never look at the world the same way again!”
Certainly NOT, having ingested this ‘idee fixe’ into your Pythonated gut, no wonder you felt like you swallowed a JACKASS!!!
@ Zoe | November 9, 2011 at 8:16 AM |
You want to join the raelian movement? Then go to rael.org and sign up!
It’s free and you can download all the books from which you can cut and paste to de-programme your ilk.
Nnaki, ALL of this UFO visitation citing and encounters, are real, BUT, they are ALL* orchastrated and deviously presented, by the ‘father’ of all LIES, and subterfuge, SATAN, masterfully presented, to ignorant fools like Rael et al, like yourself!
“Rael: Messenger of the ElohimAt the age of 27, on the morning of December 13, 1973, while he was still leading his successful racing-car magazine, RAEL had a dramatic encounter with a human being from another planet, at a volcano park in the center of France, known as “Puy de Lassolas”. This extra-terrestrial gave him a new detailed explanation of our origins and information on how to organize our future, as recorded in the book: Intelligent Design. After six consecutive meetings in the same location, Rael accepted the mission given to him, to inform humanity of this revolutionary message and to prepare the population to welcome their Creators, the Elohim, without any mysticism or fear, but as conscious and grateful human beings. After a few months considering this huge task, Rael almost developed a stomach ulcer before finally deciding to give up his much loved career as a sports-car journalist and devote himself fully to the task assigned to him by Yahweh – the extra-terrestrial whom he met. Within the year following the encounter, he managed to print the book reporting about the event and appeared on two of the main TV and Radio shows in France, announcing a public conference. This first public conference held in Paris on September 19, 1974 attracted more than 2000 people. Shortly after, he founded the association MADECH – a group of people interested in helping him in his huge task- that would later become the Raelian Movement. By the end of the year 1974, the association counted 170 members. They are now more than 70000 members in 97 countries.”
“On October 7th, 1975, he had a second encounter and was given additional information recorded on his second book, also part of Intelligent Design. Since that time, Rael has been touring the World, giving conferences and seminars on every continent, gathering those who share the desire to welcome our Creators.”
“He also authored several other books like Sensual Meditation which is a central part of his teachings, “Geniocracy” advocating for a more intelligent management of the planet and “Yes To Human Cloning” explaining the possibility of becoming eternal and the beautiful future one can expect thanks to Science.”
“Over the years, Rael has inspired several public actions from the promotion of the use of condoms in schools to the promotion of masturbation; from worldwide campaigns in support of minorities with the slogan “to tolerate differences is not enough, one should love differences” to the disturbing request to have all Religious books censured where they don’t respect Human Rights; from the support of Human Cloning through the founding of Clonaid, to the promotion of GMO as the only chance for all human beings on Earth to have food; from the creation of Clitoraid, an association to help women who have been circumcised to have their clitoris repaired so that they can experience pleasure again to the call for the gathering of all African traditional chiefs to create the United States of Africa.”
“Rael has been a guest on most of the major TV programs worldwide like 60 minutes, CNN, FOX, and BBC news programs, as well as programs like Breakfast with Frost and Entertainment Tonight, to name a few. He has been invited to explain his vision of science to the American Congress and has been the guests of many leaders of this world, with the President Denis Sassou N’Guesso of Congo being the first to welcome him officially in 2000. Many artists acknowledged him as well like the French author Michel Houellebecq and Hugh Hefner.”
“In every culture on Earth, a messenger is expected, whether it is the Maitreya of the Buddhists, the Messiah of the Jews, the Paraclet of the Christians, or any other name that has been given by the many tribes around the world. This expected messenger, like all the previous ones, isn’t supposed to please everyone, but to state what our Creators are expecting from us. This is what RAEL has been doing for more than 30 years now, traveling relentlessly while making the vow not to own anything, but to give everything towards welcoming our Creators in the Embassy they requested be built before 2035.”
What LIES from the Pit-of-Hell!
@Nnaki, Tell us man, think you’ll be considered, If you’r around at 2035, to be appointed as the ‘Charge d’affaires’ for BIMSHIRE in this Galactic Embassy of the gods* creators* affair? (LOL!)
The following is the story of another of Satan’s masterfully presented LIES and UTTER DECEPTIONS to the Roman Catholics ‘The WHORE of Revelation’ chapter 17, at Fatima, which they bought into, as they know NOT* the TRUTH, Jesus Christ, as is the case with Raelism, Nnaki, et al!
Miracle of the Sun
“Starting in May of 1917, something happened to three shepherd children in the town of Fátima, Portugal. The events have become known as Our Lady of Fátima. Starting on May 1, 1917, the children began to describe seeing a woman “brighter than the sun, shedding rays of light clearer and stronger than a crystal ball, pierced by the burning rays of the sun.” The being was reported to have appeared to the children on the 13th day of six consecutive months in 1917, starting on May 13. According to ten year old Lúcia Santo, in the course of her encounters, the woman confided to the children three secrets, now known as the Three Secrets of Fátima. Thousands of people flocked to Fátima and Aljustrel in the ensuing months, drawn by reports of visions and miracles. On three separate occasions before the Miracle of the Sun, the children reported that the Lady had promised to them that she would, on October 13, 1917, reveal her identity and provide a miracle “so that all may believe.”
“On October 13, 1917, the Miracle of the Sun was witnessed and reported by 50,000 to 100,000 people in the Cova da Iria fields near Fátima, Portugal. The people in attendance had assembled to observe the publicized event. According to many statements, after a downfall of rain, the dark clouds broke and the sun appeared as an opaque, spinning disc in the sky. It was said to be significantly duller than normal, and to cast multicolored lights across the Earth, the people and the surrounding clouds. The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth in a zigzag pattern. It was said that the people’s previously wet clothes became “suddenly and completely dry,” as well as the wet and muddy ground that had been previously soaked because of the rain. According to the reports, the event lasted approximately ten minutes.”
“The Miracle of the Sun was marked by a large amount of angel hair over the land. On July 13, 1917, the lady is said to have entrusted the children with three secrets. These secrets have been highly controversial in the Catholic Church, and have been revealed to the public at different time periods, with the final one coming out in 2000. The First Secret was allegedly a vision of Hell. The Second Secret was a statement that World War I would end and goes on to predict World War II. The second half of the secret includes information about Russia and requests that it become consecrated to the Immaculate Heart. It should be noted that the Second Secret wasn’t revealed until 1941, after World War II had already began.”
“The majority of the controversy is with the Third Secret. It was revealed in 2000 and includes information about the persecution of Christians in the 20th century that culminated in the failed assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II. However, historical references to the Third Secret indicate something else entirely, with information regarding Apocalypse, a great apostasy, and satanic infiltration of the Catholic Church. If you are unfamiliar, apostasy is the formal disaffiliation from, or abandonment of, a religion by a person, basically, criticism of a person’s former religion. In 1980, John Paul II was quoted on the Third Secret. “It should be sufficient for all Christians to know this much. If there is a message, it is said that the oceans will flood entire sections of the Earth and from one moment to the other, millions of people will perish.”
BU David…
Could you PLEASE limit the amount of words people have to type here? Because I REALLY don’t have that kind of patience to scroll for hours just to get some decent comments! You should be able to speak your mind in 1,000 words or less!
Geez!
@ Zoe ……YOU will see HELL. . .
YOU will smell HELL. . .
YOU will breathe HELL. . .
YOU will hear HELL. . .
YOU will feel HELL. . .
YOU WILL BE HELL. . .
The following is a sound critique of this Satanically driven, UFO nonsense, that only blockheaded, doltish, pinheaded, fools like Rael and his stupified followers would believe, swallow and ingest, like Jackasses would do!
RAEL AND THE SPACEMEN
INDEX
INTRODUCTION
THE MESSENGER
THE SPACEMEN
RAEL AND THE BIBLE
PHILOSOPHY AND THE ELOHIM
THE LATEST MESSAGE
CORRESPONDENCE WITH A RAELIAN
INTRODUCTION
“The French cult leader, Claude Rael, claims to have received messages from extra-terrestrials called the Elohim, which he says denotes “those who came from the sky”, who purport to have scientifically made the human race. He founded the Raelian Movement which apparently has 40,000 members in 80 countries (page 11 and 197, The Final Message, Tagman Press, London, 1998). While his Raelian Movement’s opposition to the concept of a supernatural God is uplifting we rationalists cannot accept the revelations of his aliens as authentic. The errors in them that tell us not to can be read in Rael’s fascinating book, The Message Given to Me by Extra-Terrestrials. Let us look at the errors. The sect declared toward the end of 2002 that it had succeeded in making the first human clone which it called Eve. The fact that such a thing would be announced alone proves that the Elohim evilly approve of cloning despite the dangers for the child born this way.”
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THE MESSENGER
“It is interesting that the Elohim couldn’t find anybody more worthy of credence than a journalist. Their scanners must have broken down. One witness is not good enough for there are plenty of groups that claim to have a message from aliens and to have gone riding in a spaceship. We know we should be ready to believe two people more than one. Despite their allegedly vast intelligence the Elohim have not grasped this! Yet they formed the Jewish religion which teaches that at least two independent and good witnesses are needed before a report can be trusted (Deuteronomy 17:6).”
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THE SPACEMEN
“The alien messenger told Rael to tell the world about the Elohim so that the aliens could see from its reaction if it was time to descend openly on earth and meet everybody (page 10, 68, The Message Given to Me by Extra-Terrestrials). Clearly, the Elohim think the whole world could be nice to them which is mad. Why didn’t they make people intelligent enough to believe that they made us all and love us so that thing would run smoothly? The Elohim don’t know that it is one thing for Rael to make the world happy at the thought of aliens landing but another for them to come. Faith is comforting as long as it remains faith. People might panic when they see it is not just a consoling belief anymore but a fact that could result in invasion or planetary catastrophe.”
“The aliens say we already know how to see how people will take things through psychology (page 110). Why don’t they use one of their super-computers to test us all instead of relying on Rael? Why don’t they cure us of the evil that could make us turn on them and revile them if they return? Why don’t they give us the instant education through injecting brain matter which they do to one another (page 132) so that we can have the intelligence to be positive towards them? Raelians would say we could be too dangerous if we knew too much about science but they don’t have to tell us all. They can still use their miracle science to make sure we don’t abuse the wisdom.”
“The Elohim stupidly express their fear that earth-people will scientifically progress until they are able to conquer the Elohim! Beings with better machines than ours can do plenty to hinder or slow the pace of this progress so they couldn’t possibly have said that they were afraid. Rael made up this message and he and all the eggheads who believe in him show that they are not so smart after all. Page 11 of The Message Given to Me by Extra-Terrestrials even says that the alien told Rael that he would tell him nothing about his home planet for fear of earth people. The aliens take two months to reach us on their space-ships (page 99). They could make force-fields to protect their planet and act to prevent us getting through them or knowing how to. They could let us progress all we want as long as they are safe. But they say they won’t. Why are they so scared of us when they are 25, 000 years ahead of us in scientific knowledge? The reason is that Rael had to come up with a reason for why we never see them.”
“The alien also told Rael not to bring anything metallic with him and to tell nobody so that they could meet the next day (page 14). The alien does not know that there is metal in the human body. And they were standing in a volcanic crater which should have had plentiful traces of metal. The messenger said that he would never meet with Rael against if he told anybody. But did it really matter if he told one or two people as long as he visited the messenger alone?”
“Page 118 says the aliens will never help Rael openly for that would prove their existence to the sceptics which they do not want for scepticism is often aggressive. This follows the old stereotype that sceptics are bent on sticking by their rejection of certain beliefs at any cost. The Raelians are guilty of this aggression themselves for if they thought more and were open-minded they would not be Raelians. They plan to appear some day and there will always be sceptics on the earth. Rael and his Elohim seem to think that nearly everybody on earth is going to become Raelian.”
“The Elohim say that they can cure violent and jealous urges which ensures the absence of crime on their planet (page 127) and this ought to be done (page 259). The Raelian suggestion that the Elohim can’t cure bad people on earth because they don’t want to be healed is farcical. When they need curing and don’t want it their refusal is invalid for it is a symptom of mental sickness too. And if the treatment works why not give it when it will put them in their right mind and they will be glad you did it. Why put their little opposition before all the long-term consent they will give later? What about the people they will hurt? Don’t they count? Most criminals hanker after liberation from their faults but nobody comes down in a flying saucer to offer any help. Suggestion can be used to get a person to agree to what they wouldn’t agree to without it of their own free will.”
“If the Elohim are too busy they could send those biological robots of theirs that they brag about to do it for them. These robots could feed the starving in the Third World and especially if the Elohim are as concerned about free will as they pretend to be for only a few are letting this happen and most of us and none more so than the victims want it stopped.”
“The Elohim are evil for idly looking on as Hitler went about his wicked work. Remember, the objections to the goodness of God work against the idea of any kind of being that has powers we can only wish for.”
“The Elohim enjoy barbaric sports. Participants must abide by the curious rule prohibiting their being restored to life if they are killed (page 130). The excuse that violence is necessary to evade mental breakdowns is unacceptable if they can cure evil. Only a few might need to bash up people and our reason and laws all say that nobody needs to. But anyway, if the Elohim have the technology to cure bad tendencies they can make all the same way.”
“Rael allows very violent sports for those who need them (page 261). But violent people can change through practicing love and indulging in meditation and getting a reason not to be violent that makes them glad not to be.”
“The Elohim reveal that every atom is full of little planets and is a universe or solar system or whatever. There is life on many of them. See page 190 and see The Final Message page 14 of Anthony Grey’s introduction. So, burning your paper or exploding nuclear bombs must be mass murder. How the Elohim can expect us to be moral with a doctrine like that proves that Rael either imagined or made up his revelations.”
“The Elohim ascribe vice and badness to disorders of the mind – across the board to justify love of enemies (The Message Given to Me by Extra-Terrestrials, page 258). They must have caught the bug when they threatened evildoers with severe and eternal punishment.”
“The Elohim say that they live a long time but only let some live forever if they are geniuses (page 125). This limit is made to prevent overpopulation. But they have the science to turn any planet into a paradise and there is no shortage of planets.”
“The Elohim advocated the wearing of a medal like a Star of David with a swastika in it (page 192). This symbol had to be replaced without a swastika because of the Nazi connotations. One would think that the Elohim should have realised that the symbol would not be taken too well in the first place!”
” Against realism the Elohim forbid going to war against unjust aggressors (page 195). They are living at the tops of ivory towers that are tall enough to stretch from here to the moon. Then hypocritically, Raelians are instructed to get involved in helping in war in ways that don’t involve killing, perhaps by doing office work or something (page 246). It cannot be wrong to kill and then to help others to kill by helping war.”
“Teaching children about sex and how to enjoy it and about masturbating is encouraged on (pages 233, 234). I find that disturbing.”
“Babies conceived by accident must be aborted for the child will never each its full potential when it was not wanted at the time of conception (page 237). This is nonsense and the mother can adjust and welcome the baby. No cut-off point when abortion would be wrong and murderous is given implying it can be done anytime. What business have the Elohim giving a command like this when they refuse to prove that they spoke to Rael? It could be the unlawful killing of a human life.”
“Rael permits killing animals for food but they must not suffer (page 248). ut death is painful. He says that plants suffer the same way as we do (page 249). Science disproves this which shows how little respect he has for it. It makes cruelty of cutting a tree so why does he judge people who do that? Meat eating is allowed (page 249). A real message from benevolent beings would tell us to eat meat if we have to and then to eat chickens and fish and other lower animals. To eat the higher animals is bad because they are more likely to be conscious beings.”
“The stupidity of the book is apparent when it says in the discussion of sensual meditation which involves sexual activity and romantic love and indulgence that you should be happy if the person you love loves somebody else and then there is the sinister idea that rejecting somebody who wants to make you happy is wrong even if they do not appeal to you. This seems to suggest that you should let them have sex with you (page 256-7). Jealousy is inevitable with falling in love. Rael is right however that the jealously is about the fear that some other person will make your partner happier than you can. This shows the hypocrisy and satanic nature of the Christian Church which hallows love. But Rael’s aliens should be able to draw the inevitable conclusion that falling in love is immoral. Yet their promotion of love attacks this idea.”
“Page 248 wants science to start on making the biological robot do all our work leaving us to have a good time. But if the Elohim are so anxious that this be done why don’t they tell us how to make one? To make one would bring us a lot closer to the Elohim for super-science. Thought they didn’t want that!”
“Page 252 prescribes a prayer to the Elohim which says among other things that I love all people Elohim for they are made in your image. That is uintelligible when the Elohim are just ordinary beings who happen to have developed a super-science. They might have made us but they are not that special. Our own parents are better for at least we know them and know they exist.”
“Page 273 says that the Elohim do not intervene in our affairs unless somebody lies saying he has met them and/or got a message from them nd they will make his life unbearable. Why don’t they stop such a person before he does any damage or at least send light into those who are thinking about his teaching? Priests all claim to have got a message from God that Romanism is true and most of them live like royalty.”
“The book says that telepathy with the aliens is possible and desirable. Yet it ridicules magic. If hidden forces exist to make telepathy possible then why can’t ones exist to make magic work? Magicians don’t all believe that magic is supernatural or from God but some say that it is the activity of natural forces that have not been discovered yet. The Raelians should be able to refute all magical claims before they cast aspersions on magic but they are not.”
“The writings of Rael are filled with very numerous absurdities that indicate where the messages really came from. Rael did not encounter any otherworldly beings for they would not have made such inexcusable blunders. His stories of encounters with aliens and getting messages and being taken to their planet is a pack of lies. No sufficient reason is given why we should heed his often dangerous doctrines. The system is evil.”
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RAEL AND THE BIBLE
“The alien told Rael to buy a Bible and bring it to him to explain it. No worse interpretation could anybody imagine. One would not expect anything else of anybody who rejects evolution like Raelianism does (page 103).”
“The messenger gives a totally unjustified interpretation of the first few chapters of Genesis to make them seem to be talking about the Elohim. he serpent who tempts is said to be a small group of rebel Elohim who wanted to train Adam and Eve in science (page 23). Fanciful! There is no hint in the story that it is non-literal. Interpretations like that can make the serpent be anything.”
“There is no need to understand the burning bush as a rocket behind a bush (page 33) or to attribute the parting of the waters as a repulsion eam (page 34). The text says that the bush was burning but not being consumed unlike Rael’s interpretation. The serpent of brass the snake-bitten Israelites had to look at to survive is interpreted as a syringe (page 38). But then why does the Bible stress looking at it? All that is just speculation. Yet Rael says it is what the Elohim say.”
“I had to laugh at page 35 which says the Elohim had to come down on Mount Sinai and cause smoke and fire because they were afraid of being attacked by the Israelites! Primitive tribes would have posed no threat to them when they were able to cause the fire and smoke. There is no hint in the story that Israel was willing to attack. The contrary is what is hinted at for if the aliens appearing to Moses were frightened then they could have appeared to him quietly without the people knowing of the meeting. Also when they were able to land on top of the mountain why could they not use a force-field or flee if the people came too close? Had Rael really been in contact with aliens they would have been able to correct his error for they could not risk their work and message being made to look stupid.”
“There is no evidence that Psalm 8 ever said that man is equal to the Elohim before it was changed to say less than them. Yet Rael says it was. The Bible would not refer to the Elohim as he and one person if it meant a plurality of space-beings. Elohim is plural but it is only a name for God. Even Genesis uses the name to refer to a single being just like Joan Rivers is one person despite the plural name. Elohim denotes one being with a plural of majesty. Supreme majesty of majesty perhaps.”
“The Elohim bragged that they destroyed all life on earth apart from Noah nd some of his friends at the time of the Flood because their scientific progress jeopardised the security of the Elohim. What a laugh! Murderers is what I would call them when they had no need to kill.”
“It was thoughtful of the Elohim to confess that they lied to the bible prophets (page 47) and even asked mega-dope Abraham to commit filicide to try his devotion. Following their revelations, Raelians understand the apparitions of Mary as visits from an extra-terrestrial and not the real Mary. Anyone who flicks through Mary’s messages with their pleas for more faith in God and in magic can see that if this is true then nothing that comes from the mouths of the Elohim can be called believable when they are such deceivers.”
“The Elohim say that the miracles of religion were just tricks done by their advanced science. They are evil beings if they exist for they command blind faith for if miracles are deceptive then how do we know that the message given to Rael was not deceptive?”
“Rael says that Moses and Elijah came out of a spaceship to talk to Jesus during the transfiguration. There is no mention of a spaceship in the gospel.”
“It takes quite a huge flight of fancy to interpret the parable of the sower in atthew 13 as referring to the attempts made by the Elohim to create life on other worlds (page 77). Jesus interpreted it differently but here is Rael coming centuries after the people who would have known better had died to tell us that this parable does not mean what the records say. He just plucks out of the Bible whatever suits his argument regardless of the context and has no reason for this but his own peculiar prejudices.”
“The messenger told Rael that Jesus had to die so that the truth about the lohim would be known on earth and that the biblical writings would give clues so that we could recognise them as benevolent creators when they come back (page 83). All of this is ridiculous for Jesus is two thousand years dead and nobody in the early Church believed in aliens as a result of his work and only comparatively few Raelians walk the earth. And the clues could back up anything for they are simply not there and just imagined.”
“I don’t like the references to the Ages of Pisces and Aquarius and to their main characteristics being predicted centuries ago (page 91-94). That is approving of the unscientific and anti-scriptural practice of astrology. The Elohim say they are not infallible and have made mistakes and do not know the future so the fulfilment of the predictions must have been engineered by some other kind of force, the stars.”
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PHILOSOPHY AND THE ELOHIM
“The Elohim just dropped the concept of God in the chapter Neither God or Soul composing the book, The Extra-Terrestrials took me to their Planet. The Elohim denied the existence of God but when God is immaterial how could they possibly know? They ignore philosophy which alone can settle the question. They are oblivious to the arguments of St Thomas Aquinas for the existence of God. Nobody has the right to say that there is no God without looking at the arguments first. The same chapter says that there was no beginning meaning that time always existed. But just like you can’t get to the end of time if it does not end you will not get to the beginning of time if you go back in time for there is no beginning. Then how did you get to the present moment if there is an infinity of moments before that? The idea of time makes no sense without time having an origin. The Raelians cannot use the problem of evil to refute God because that would do away with the Elohim as well. The Elohim want to come first and to be obeyed for their own sake and because they are our creators but the fact as that each individual person comes first in his or her own life for that person is not as sure of the existence of anything outside himself or herself as he or she is of his or her own existence.”
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THE LATEST MESSAGE
“The foundational doctrine of Raelianism is that an Embassy must be created in Israel where the spacemen can meet with us in peace.”
“Rael got a new message on December 13, 1997 which is in the book, The Final Message. In it the Elohim say they love all people but the Raelians re dearest to them. They complained about the authorities in Jerusalem not given them a site for the Embassy and granting the site extra-territorial status. They said they chose Jerusalem for the Embassy because they appeared there before and it was of sentimental value for them. This contradicts their claim that they were the gods reported by the pagan religions and they did not appear as much there as they do in other places. They say they appeared to Joseph Smith the founder of the Mormons so why don’t they have their Embassy in Palmyra in Upper State New York for Smith had more visions than took place in Jerusalem. Why did the Elohim tell Smith that Independence, Missouri was to be the New Jerusalem next the old one? The Elohim can’t make up their minds about anything. The Elohim then stated that Israel was getting its last chance and that if nothing was done the Embassy will be constructed in another place (page 203). One would think that with their power and the fact that political status is dependent on luck and pulling strings that the Elohim could have pulled a couple so as to have the right people running Israel who would let the cult build.”
The Elohim said, “The hour of our Great Return is near and we will support and protect the most devoted ones among you. Your enemies will increasingly see our all-powerful arm strike them, particularly the usurper of Rome, his bishops and all those who act in our name without our mandate” (page 203).”
“Why then can’t they do anything about the Israeli authorities who won’t let Rael build the Embassy near Jerusalem?”
“Rael is described as the Way, the Truth and the Life (page 203). It should be that the Elohim are the Way, the Truth and the Life for Rael is only a messenger. The Bible stresses that revelation should not glorify the prophet but the one who uses the prophet to speak through.”
“And the Elohim state that Buddhism is closest to Raelianism and even that uddhism stripped to the essentials is Raelianism and that therefore Raelianism will be most popular among Buddhists (page 203). This is totally wrong for original Buddhism repressed the desires of the flesh and never spoke of aliens and spaceships and its Nirvana is a mystical state beyond all our comprehension and full of paradoxes or contradictions while Raelianism boasts that it offers no mystical and religious paradoxes.”
“The more Raelians love Rael the more they love the Elohim and that nobody can turn against Rael without being unloving towards the Elohim (page 204). They even present Rael as a mediator who persuades them to forgive what they find unforgivable. Rael then is taking religious devotion to himself and trumpeting his own importance. I know this because if he were humble and the Elohim were sensible they would say that Rael should be loved as all people should be loved for the Elohim love all and are hurt if we do not do this. They should stress that Rael’s teaching is more important than Rael. The Elohim irrationally value Rael more than anybody else when he can persuade them to forgive even though the Elohim say that anybody who sincerely prays to God prays to them and though the world prays for mercy.”
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CORRESPONDENCE WITH A RAELIAN
“In a letter from Moya Henderson of the Irish Raelian Movement dated 23/02/94 she responded to my objection to the existence of the Elohim on the grounds that the problem of evil worked against them as against God. I stated that the Elohim should be able to cure those who oppose Rael. She answered that people who don’t want to be cured can’t be cured and that those who are sick may not accept that they are sick. She said the Elohim want us to learn for ourselves. But you only let people learn for themselves if you can’t do any better. The Elohim told Rael that anybody showing signs of becoming evil or sick is instantly treated in their world. She said that people dying accidentally in sport is not unlawful killing for I stated that it was hypocritical to allow dangerous sports that could kill and forbid participation in war for allowing such sports is to cause death somewhere down the line. If it is bad to participle in war then life comes first and this principle is undermined by allowing sports that could kill. These sports are not necessary and that is why they should not be.”
“I argued that the Elohim should put a force-field around babies to save them from being battered and hurt. She replied that man will never learn tat it is wrong to abuse if this is done. But the field would not be put around the babies if it were right to abuse them. And everybody knows the abuse would be wrong. Even if the Elohim let us hurt adults that is different for adults can bring good out of what happened to them but babies cannot. The Elohim are as bad as the baby-beater.”
“I had written to her that the Elohim were dishonest because they appeared in apparitions interpreted to be of Jesus and Mary for example. She stated that human beings were too conditioned to see that the persons they saw were not Mary and Jesus so they deceived themselves and it was not the Elohim’s fault. Then why did a female Elohim appear to St Bernadette at Lourdes dressed as the Virgin Mary and use a rosary and defend the sinless conception of the virgin? These apparitions increased faith in the spiritual God the Elohim says does not exist and so decreased in many the likelihood that they could believe in the Elohim instead if they heard of them. The telepathy the messenger used to make Rael buy the Bible should be used to make the world open to the gospel according to the Elohim (page 9).”
” An information letter she sent me in 1993 says that the movement has over 50,000 members all over the world and it grows by 30% every year. et this leaflet which I received in 1998 and which came with an advertisement for The Final Message published that year states that the membership is 28, 000 in 40 countries. There is a serious discrepancy in all this. Is the movement truthful?”
“A leaflet I received says that even if Rael or the Elohim make a request that is against your conscience that you should not obey it.”
“Rael was even quoted as saying that even if all humanity could be saved by the death of one peaceable person that person should not be killed and that one good person is worth more than humanity. But the person would be neither peaceable nor good if he consented to be saved. This is pacifism at its worst and this hyper-pacifism is a form of hypocrisy too. The very reason we take so long with our courtships or at least should is because it is so hard to really know anybody for it is in everybody’s best interest to act good even if he or she is not good inside. I’d sacrifice the good person for humanity for maybe the person is not that good. And Rael has forgotten that it is better for one good person to die than for all humanity to be destroyed for that destruction would entail the deaths of innocent precious babies who have done nobody any harm.”
“His view that tolerance is not enough and that we must encourage other eople to be different if that is their nature is good.”
FURTHER READING
The Final Message, Claude Rael, Tagman Press, London, 1998
The Message Given to Me by Extra-Terrestrials, Rael, AOM,1986
Zoe | November 9, 2011 at 12:12 PM |
One can see you are really enjoying this kind of cutting & pasting!
Sounds like another version of your biblical works! Living to 800 years, Elijah taking of in a fiery chariot to the sky, miracles for days and miracle for days!
Tell us about the book of Ezekiel in your biblical repertoire!
Are the Chariots of Fire mentioned in Elijah’s abduction in the Bible UFO’s?
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RESISTANCE is FERTILE
“In February of 2002, The History Channel flew Guy Malone to Los Angeles to interview him as part of a special entitled “Ufos in the Bible.” Producer Gabe Vandervort sent Malone a list of 10 questions he would like Guy to discuss, the answers to which were typed out beforehand, to rehearse from (which were posted below).”
“While grateful for the opportunity at first, please note that the special which aired DID NOT IN FACT faithfully represent Malone’s answers, but instead merely spliced in certain things said to affirm the flawed premise of the show. They did this with others who have likewise gone on record saying the same was done to them. That story and Malone’s response is here. Mike Heiser’s response is here.”
Question #6 Go Here for all 10 questions and answers
“What might ancient Judeans have claimed to see chariots of fire in the sky? (What is the significance of chariots?) How do these compare to modern-day UFO accounts in the Holy Land?”
“I’m often asked in regard to UFOs and the angelic understanding “Well if they’re angels, why do they need ships to fly in?” My first response is that maybe they don’t. I don’t “need” a car to go from here to the corner for a cold drink, but 9 out of 10 times I’m going to use one. I’m lazy, it’s quicker, it’s more convenient to not have to get there “under my own power.” In the case of angels, maybe they don’t want to get their robes dirty flying through our polluted atmosphere! I’m being light-hearted of course, but really there’s nothing in scripture that indicates that normal angels (like we’re talking about) even have wings – that’s just artwork. The fact is however, there simply is no getting away from the fact that in the Bible, angels DO use vehicles to fly around in! Whether they need to or not is debatable, but that they do use them is not.”
Typical depictions of
Elijah’s Ascension
But this is more accurate
Elijah was taken “…by a
whirlwind,” NOT a chariot.
2 Kings 2:1 & 2:11
“The really easy example is the account of Elijah being taken up to heaven. This chariot was witnessed by his younger counterpart Elisha, as well as 50 other prophets who were waiting for them to return. Now technically though, the Bible specifies that it was a whirlwind that took Elijah, so we can’t even say for sure whether he actually boarded a chariot, or how the wind and the chariots were connected. He may have been raptured like Enoch apparently was, or simply translated like Phillip. There’s no chariots mentioned in these other cases. But because there are also “horses of fire” in this scene, I think we have sort of a “Ben Hur” image of this chariot, and paintings have reinforced that image.”
“But this may or may not be accurate – the craft could have looked very different than a typical horse-drawn vehicle that we think of. It seems from reading the passage closely that the horses actually had the job of separating the two (E & E), and may not have been actually drawing the chariots mentioned. The younger Elisha actually specifies in his own words “…the chariots of Israel AND the horsemen of Israel…” (whatever they are!). It’s hard to picture a typical horse and rider, where the horses are also drawing a chariot – that doesn’t happen, so I don’t think it’s the case here either. I think the chariots and the horses were separate. Nonetheless this is THE ONE – and I’m going to have to emphasize here THE ONLY – clear-cut case in scripture where a chariot was physically visible, and by multiple witnesses. It was a physical craft of some sort.”
“The truth though, is that these occurrences are really not as frequent as some people tend to make out. We can’t honestly say that “the Judeans,” or “the Hebrews” (plural) claimed to see these things. We have only two passages of scripture, both involving Elisha. The actual phrase “chariots of fire” only appears once in the entire Bible. The younger Elisha was surrounded by enemies and he asked God to open his servant’s eyes so that HE would see the situation was not hopeless. Elisha’s servant was then able to see the Chariots of Fire surrounding the prophet. BUT there’s no indication at all that anybody else saw them. This is a unique case where God allowed the guy to see into the spirit realm (or perhaps the ultra violet realm, given recent technological findings about UFOs). And the earlier instance is the only time that mentions both chariots and witnesses in the same passage. To say that the Bible is full of these cases is simply not true.”
“There is one other really usable passage where the words “chariots” and “fire” come very close to being mentioned together, that I want to mention, mainly because nobody in the secular humanist or New Age community ever brings it up. It’s a reference to what most will say is a future event…”
Isaiah 66:15-6 says “The Lord will come with fire, and his chariots are like a whirlwind; he will bring down his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For with fire and with his sword the Lord will execute judgment on all men, and many will be those slain by the Lord.”
“Now, here we have another instance where the chariots and fire are connected to the angelic hosts, but in large numbers and only in the sense of final battle. These are not individual flying chariots being seen by casual observers however. This scene of the Lord’s judgment by sword and fire is echoed in Revelation’s accounts of Jesus and his armies riding into the battle of Armageddon on the “horses of heaven” from earlier.”
“You want Biblical chariots of fire, HERE they are, in spades (!), but they’re apparently nothing to be courted. I don’t think modern UFO sightings are examples of these either. You better be real sure which side you’re on by the time you encounter one of these!”
Satan’s UFO deceptions and LIES, are for the EXPRESSED PURPOSE of fooling mankind, with just enough subtle, actual appearances, that are REAL, so that the so-called message(s) of the LIES told to Rael , re the supposed coming of the gods* creators* will be believed by IGNORANT, and spiritually inept fools!
@All…
Only today, Zoe radiated 7683 words, 44026 characters, here on BU.
No human could produce that much original content.
Hmmmmm….
Zoe | November 9, 2011 at 3:08 PM |
“He may have been raptured like Enoch apparently was,….. ”
Since you have not done your homework regarding the book of Ezekiel, I will discipline you by giving some extra homework to do some research and present your findings to the BU class.
Tell the BU class in less than 100 words why the producers of the word of your god refuses to publish and make easily available in the King James version of the Story Book of Myths the writings about your god(s) according to Enoch. In other words, why has the book of Enoch been omitted? Suppression of Truth! Or should we ask Melchizedek?
(Remember, 100 words maximum!)
YEAH, RIGHT! LMAO!
If Zoe must preach, that’s all well and good….but this is SPAM! Straight up!
If y’all want to read through that, good for you! I, however, value statements that are concise and accurate!
100 words maximum…my RANT is less than 50!
You guys should count your respective lucky stars that Dictionary left BU.
@Technician: “You guys should count your respective lucky stars that Dictionary left BU.
Not to mention Dr. GP.
I think it might have been because of the constant barrage of those true thinkers who dared to ask “why do you believe that?” and “why should we believe you?”.
Seeker | November 9, 2011 at 5:12 PM |
“100 words maximum…my RANT is less than 50!”
Zoe gets a “high” from the glue he uses in his cut and paste time & motion performance. He needs to be slowly weaned off the opiate of the religious right. Any cold turkey treatment would cause serious withdrawal symptoms; 100 cc’s at first then 75, then 50, then 25 is the recommended dosage of spiritual methadone as prescribed by St. Luke the snake man aka Asclepius.
@Techiee
By now all of them “True thinkers” would have taken up bat and balland stumps and run fuh cover. BTW i wunda wuh happen to Georgie Porgie. He needs to make his presence known.
@ac: “By now all of them “True thinkers” would have taken up bat and balland stumps and run fuh cover.
That is very far from likely.
For anyone with an open mind, please see this week’s eSkeptic: http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-11-09/
@BAFBU…
Are you BAFBFP?
Are you pretending to be BAFBFP with your language?
Heuristics argues the latter….
@CH
I do remember you running fuh cover many a time when the Doc threw some spinners at You. those up and coming upstarts GP would chew them up and spit them out.
@ac: “I do remember you running fuh cover many a time when the Doc threw some spinners at You.
I don’t remember that.
Perhaps you could provide references?
@ Christopher Halsall:
I think you should pose the following query to those who try to detract (or should I say distract?) you
What is the meaning of (6/5)˄4 Ft.?
@MTA…
How many would understand (a/b)^c?
The answer to your above is 2.0736.
@Nnaki-Raelian, ‘Charge d’ affaires’ in waiting for the Galactic Embassy of the gods* creators* of Satanic origin, and rampant UFO deception; in keeping at this time, with a call for my reduced postings, please inform all and sundry, why the book of Enoch was omitted from the Canon of Scripture, let us do hear your Raelin/Galactic, gods* creators* endarkened perspective!
Zoe | November 9, 2011 at 8:03 PM |
Seems the medication is working! Follow your doctor’s orders and take your medication on time and as prescribed.
The book of Enoch has been suppressed by your branch of religious bigotry and fakery because it would reveal that your Genesis god is just one of the gods who came from the sky and whose genetic experimental off-springs “knew” the daughters of Cro-Magnon man to beget the “sons of god(s) (Elohim).
@MTA… Don’t gloat too much…
@CH
maybe it was my imagination!
The Book of Enoch EXPOSED!
By David J. Stewart
Is the Book of Enoch really a lost book of the Bible? A born-again Christian who has been reading the Bible for several years only needs to read the “Book of Enoch” briefly to know that something is very wrong. There are so many obvious flaws with this alleged missing book of God’s Word. It is clear to me that someone copied from the Bible and wrote this garbage. The same type of mumbo-jumbo can be readily observed in the Qur’an. I do NOT believe that Enoch, who lived during the time period of Genesis, wrote this manuscript. Evidently the King James translators didn’t either, and for good reason. The Devil is working relentlessly to corrupt God’s Word, as he has been doing since the Garden of Eden, when he caused Eve to doubt God’s Word. Satan is so shrewd that he even tried to confuse our Lord by misinterpreting the Scriptures in Matthew 4:1-10. In these apostate times, the Word of God is under attack like never before. The reason why is simple… if Satan can pervert the Word of God into a lie, then he can control the masses!
The Book of Enoch Teaches Heresy!
To the Biblically ignorant reader, the Book of Enoch might have an appeal; but to a believer grounded in the Scriptures, the Book of Enoch is packed full of heresy. For example:
We read in chapter 40 of the Book of Enoch…
1 And after that I saw thousands of thousands and ten thousand times ten thousand, I saw a multitude
2 beyond number and reckoning, who stood before the Lord of Spirits. And on the four sides of the Lord of Spirits I saw four presences, different from those that sleep not, and I learnt their names: for the angel that went with me made known to me their names, and showed me all the hidden things.
3 And I heard the voices of those four presences as they uttered praises before the Lord of glory.
4 The first voice blesses the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever.
5 And the second voice I heard blessing
6 the Elect One and the elect ones who hang upon the Lord of Spirits. And the third voice I heard pray and intercede for those who dwell on the earth and supplicate in the name of the Lord of Spirits.
7 And I heard the fourth voice fending off the Satans and forbidding them to come before the Lord
8 of Spirits to accuse them who dwell on the earth. After that I asked the angel of peace who went with me, who showed me everything that is hidden: ‘Who are these four presences which I have
9 seen and whose words I have heard and written down?’ And he said to me: ‘This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’
10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.
The Bible never mentions an angel named Phanuel, let alone an angel who is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life. What blasphemy! That statement in itself contradicts everything the Word of God teaches. We read in 1st Timothy 2:5 that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Mediator between God and men, not some angel named Phanuel… “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” Repentance is strictly between a man and Jesus Christ alone. Only Jesus died for our sins, and shed His blood to pay for them (1st Peter 1:18-19); therefore, we must be diligent to guard and defend against LIARS and imposters who would lead people to believe otherwise. 1st John 2:22 clearly indicts all Christ-deniers as LIARS, guilty before God.
Here’s chapter 48:1-3…
1 And in that place I saw the fountain of righteousness Which was inexhaustible: And around it were many fountains of wisdom: And all the thirsty drank of them, And were filled with wisdom, And their dwellings were with the righteous and holy and elect. 2 And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits, And his name before the Head of Days. 3 Yea, before the sun and the signs were created, Before the stars of the heaven were made, His name was named before the Lord of Spirits.
Was the Son of Man named? When was Jesus named in Heaven? This is an attack on the deity of Jesus. Jesus Himself claimed in Revelation 1:8, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” Jesus is Eternal, without beginning or end. Head of Days? Lord of Spirits? These terms are NOT found in the Bible. IF the Book of Enoch were valid, composing well over 100 chapters, there should be numerous New Testament references to it; but there aren’t. Although some people claim that the Bible quotes the Book of Enoch over 100 times, this is simply not true. Just as the Qur’an, the Book of Enoch borrows from the Word of God. In sharp contrast to the Book of Enoch, the New Testament often quotes the Book of Genesis.
We read in the Book of Enoch, chapter 69:8-12…
8 …And the fourth was named Penemue: he taught the
9 children of men the bitter and the sweet, and he taught them all the secrets of their wisdom. And he instructed mankind in writing with ink and paper, and thereby many sinned from eternity to
10 eternity and until this day. For men were not created for such a purpose, to give confirmation
11 to their good faith with pen and ink. For men were created exactly like the angels, to the intent that they should continue pure and righteous, and death, which destroys everything, could not have taken hold of them, but through this their knowledge they are perishing, and through this power
12 it is consuming me.
What … man’s wisdom came from a demon named Penemue? That’s crazy! Did ink and paper cause the fall of the human race? Whoa … I’d better through all my fine-point pens away immediately! It was Adam’s sin that brought sin into the world (Romans 5:12); not evil literature. Mankind is inherently evil of himself, prone to the works of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21). The Charismatics (Pentecostals) give far too much credit to demons for the sinful actions of men. They believe that every sin a person commits is evidence of demon-possession. That is absurd! Men and women sin because they are sinners! (Romans 3:10,23). Although demons definitely influence mankind to do evil, the ultimate decision is OURS. The Devil cannot force anyone to sin. People need to stop blaming demons and the Devil for their sins, and start looking into the mirror. God has promised to help His children live right… “There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it” (1st Corinthians 10:13). No excuses!
The Book of Enoch Speaks Mumbo-Jumbo
As you read the Book of Enoch, you will notice a big difference between it and the genuine Word of God. The Bible is readable, from cover to cover, it tells a story. In sharp contrast, the Book of Enoch appears to be mocking the Word of God, quoting phrases here-and-there from the Bible, without any meaningful logic or order. This, coupled with a bunch of added mumbo-jumbo, makes the Book of Enoch a ridiculous piece of literature to even consider inspired by God. As a person progresses deeper into the Book of Enoch, they will eventually find the Books of Adam and Eve fascinating as well, and then they will be into New Age occultism without even realizing it. Don’t be fooled friend, the Book of Enoch is occult material that will lead you into the senseless mysticism of pagan religion. The fact that it’s being paraded to the public nowadays on Walt Disney’s History Station as a SHOCKING revelation, should be a clear warning sign where this is all headed. The credibility of the Word of God is under malicious attack. Here’s what the History Station is teaching people about Sodom and Gomorrah.
The Book of Enoch uses unfamiliar terminology, referring to the “Lord of Spirits” and the “Head of Days.” These terms are foreign to the Word of God. The messiah is NOT directly mentioned. The ambiguous mention of what may or may not be the Lord Jesus in the Book of Enoch, is eerily reminiscent of Freemasonry (who worship the “Great Architect” …an undefined, ambiguous, universal god). This is the false god of New Age. It is worthy to note that Christ’s deity is not evidenced in the Book of Enoch.
It appears that many statements in the Book of Enoch were taken from the Bible, and then built around with mumbo-jumbo. Many terms from the Biblical Book of Revelation are quoted in the Book of Enoch; but without any sense or reason (in sharp contrast to the Bible). All 66 Books of the Word of God perfectly intertwine with each other, presenting a clear prophetic picture. The Book of Enoch doesn’t offer anything of doctrinal value, because it’s bizarre teachings stand alone (i.e., unable to be supported with Scriptures). Some defenders of the Book of Enoch contend that Jesus often quoted from the Book of Enoch. Prove it! Every Scripture Jesus ever quoted is found in the Old Testament, without any reference to a Book of Enoch. The strongest argument in favor of the Book of Enoch is found in Jude 1:14, “And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints.” Since this quote is NOT found in the Old Testament, some scholars have used this fact in an attempt to legitimize the entire Book of Enoch. We read in chapter 1:9 of the Book of Enoch…
And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgment upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.
However, there is no Biblical record of a “Book of Enoch.” There is NO doubt that Enoch made these statements as Jude 1:14 confirms; but that doesn’t necessarily mean that he authored the entire Book of Enoch (or ANY of it for that matter). It’s a question of who copied who? And remember, the Author of the Bible is GOD; not men… “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost” (2nd Peter 1:21). To elevate the Book of Enoch to the level of God’s Word is dangerous, unless it is truly God’s Word! If Enoch did write the Book of Enoch, it raises the natural question of whether or not the work was inspired by God? The King James translators,48 scholarly men skilled in the Hebrew and Greek languages, DIDN’T! Many godly men today write good books; but they are still flawed human beings, prone to sin, who aren’t always doctrinally correct in every area. It would be a great evil to recognize their writings as EQUAL with God’s Word (the Bible). Jesus condemned following the TRADITIONS of men over the commandments of God (Mark 7:6-13). Even king David warned against trusting men rather than God (Psalm 118:8). This is why Seventh-Day Adventists are a false religion, because they elevate the writings of Ellen G. White as EQUAL with the Bible. Scientologists do the same, by elevating the writings of Ron Hubbard as EQUAL with the Bible. Catholics are woefully guilty of elevating the teaching of the Vatican, fabricated over the centuries, as EQUAL with God’s Word. Regardless of whether Enoch wrote the Book of Enoch or not, it is abundantly clear to the Biblically-sound believer that it is NOT inspired by God. It is also possible that Enoch’s preaching was exploited and deliberately misconstrued after his death. The FACT of the matter is that the Book of Enoch is clearly a watered-down, heretical, manuscript filled with mumbo-jumbo. Unlike the Bible, the Book of Enoch doesn’t appear to be going anywhere.
The Book of Enoch is a square peg which just doesn’t fit anywhere. The wording is vague–a popular method of deception which Satan uses! Listen to the average televangelist these days and you’ll get a watered-down sermonette; but hear no clear Gospel presentation. The occult is all about confusing people, which is why so many otherwise decent men join such a Satanic organization as Freemasonry. Benny Hinn’s website appears to present the basic Gospel; but he is a known Catholic, who believes good works are necessary for salvation. You’ll NEVER hear Benny Hinn condemn Catholicism or teach that ADDING good works to faith alone is a road to Hell. If you ADD anything to the simple Gospel, you’ve perverted it (Galatians 1:7). Every hellbound Catholic believes that Jesus died, was buried, and rose again, and that the blood of Jesus takes sin away. Tragically, they are also trusting the sacraments (baptism, Eucharist, etc), the Rosary, the Virgin Mary, the Church, good works, etc, etc, etc. Religion NEVER saved anybody. Don’t give me the old-time religion–GIVE ME JESUS!
People 450-Feet Tall?
Are you really gullible enough to believe that fallen angels had physical intimacy with earthly women that produced offspring 450-feet tall? I don’t think so! We read in chapter 7:12-15 of the Book of Enoch…
7:12 Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;
7:13 When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;
7:14 And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.
7:15 Then the earth reproved the unrighteous.
A “cubit” is 1.5 feet. The ark which Noah built was 300 cubits long (Genesis 6:15). Do you mean to tell me that some women had children who were as tall as the ark was long? You’ve got to be joking! Such foolish conjecture is a violation of the simplest teachings of the Bible. In Genesis 6: we read, “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” I think Pastor J. Vernon McGee interprets this Scripture exactly right…
It says, “There were giants in the earth in those days,” but it does not say they are the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men. It does say this about the offspring: “the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” These were not monstrosities; they were men. The record here makes it very clear that the giants were in the earth before this took place, and it simply means that these offspring were outstanding individuals.
Humanity has a tremendous capacity. Man is fearfully and wonderfully made—that is a great truth we have lost sight of. This idea that man has come up from some protoplasm out of a garbage can or seaweed is utterly preposterous. It is the belief of some scientists that evolution will be repudiated, and some folk are going to look ridiculous at that time.
Evolution is nothing in the world but a theory as far as science is concerned. Nothing has been conclusive about it. It is a philosophy like any other philosophy, and it can be accepted or rejected. When it is accepted, it certainly leads to some very crazy solutions to the problems of the world, and it has gotten my country into trouble throughout the world. Anyone would think that we are the white knight riding through the world straightening out wrongs. We are wrong on the inside ourselves! I do not know why in this country today we have an intelligentsia in our colleges, our government, our news media, and our military who think they are super, that somehow or another they have arrived. It is the delusion of the hour that men think that they are greater than they really are. Man is suffering from a fall, an awful fall. He is totally depraved today, and until that is taken into consideration, we are in trouble all the way along.
Then what do we have here in verse 4? As I see it, Genesis is a book of genealogies—it is a book of the families. The sons of God are the godly line who have come down from Adam through Seth, and the daughters of men belong to the line of Cain. What you have here now is an intermingling and intermarriage of these two lines, until finally the entire line is totally corrupted (well, not totally; there is one exception). That is the picture that is presented to us here.
SOURCE: McGee, J. Vernon, Thru the Bible with J. Vernon McGee, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 2000, c1981.
We also read in 1st Corinthians 15:39-40, “All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.” There you have it … celestial (heavenly) and terrestrial (earthly) are NOT compatible. Just as a fish cannot breed with a horse, or a cow with a whale, so cannot a fallen angel breed with a woman. Also, Jesus clearly taught that the angels are NOT given in marriage (Matthew 22:30). We know that there were giants in the Old Testament; but as seen with Goliath the Philistine (1st Samuel 17:4), he was only 9′ 6″ tall (not 450 feet). Giants in the Old Testament were NOT the result of fallen angels marrying human women. And think about this, if fallen angels did have physical relations with earthly women, then why doesn’t it occur today? There is no such thing as a succubus or an incubus (i.e. sexual relations between demons and humans). Furthermore, how could a woman give birth to a normal size baby that would then grow to be as tall as half the length of a football field? ‘Com on, please be real. Although the Bible does contain may miraculous and startling events (e.g., the flood), they are all explainable and have rationale. Where are the skeletal remains of those 450-feet tall monsters? It is clear that many unsaved scholars today are trying to discredit the Bible as a book of fables, which is what the Book of Enoch certainly is. The Word of God is untouchable, unchangeable, and incorruptible!
We read in the Book of Enoch, chapter 69:4-6…
4 The name of the first Jeqon: that is, the one who led astray [all] the sons of God, and brought them
5 down to the earth, and led them astray through the daughters of men. And the second was named Asbeel: he imparted to the holy sons of God evil counsel, and led them astray so that they defiled
6 their bodies with the daughters of men. And the third was named Gadreel: he it is who showed the children of men all the blows of death, and he led astray Eve, and showed [the weapons of death to the sons of men] the shield and the coat of mail, and the sword for battle, and all the weapons.
Without a doubt, the primary claim of the Book of Enoch is that fallen angels had sex with human women and produced 450-feet tall giants upon the earth. This teaching is ridiculous, unscriptural, and has no solid evidence to support it (Biblically or scientifically). This is another good reason why the Book of Enoch should continue to be rejected. It is nonsense. Also, notice in 69:6 above that the Book of Enoch claims that a demon named Gadreel led Eve astray and introduced weaponry to mankind. How absurd. The Bible identifies the serpent which deceived Eve in the Garden of Eden as Satan (Ezekiel 28:13).
Conclusion
The reason why the early church fathers and the King James Bible translators rejected the Book of Enoch as inspired of God, WASN’T to hide the truth; BUT, because it isn’t the truth. The Book of Enoch is a fraud, an imposter, and straight from Hell. I triple-dog dare you to try cross-referencing the Book of Enoch with the Word of God … good luck! When I read in chapter 1:9 of the Book of Enoch that an angel named Phanuel is “set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life” … I knew the Book of Enoch was fraudulent. Salvation is found ONLY in Christ Jesus, “Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” King David said in Psalm 62:6, “He (Jesus) only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved.” Phanuel… you’re a fraud! Jesus is the ONLY Way, Truth, and Life (John 14:6).
The truth is that Satan is a murderous thief, who’s sole purpose of existence now is to kill, steal, and destroy (John 10:10). Satan hates the Word of God, because It is his greatest enemy in this world. Therefore, Satan seeks to destroy the Bible. If he cannot destroy the Bible, then he tries to corrupt the Bible by changing it (Romans 1:25; 2nd Peter 3:16). If Satan cannot destroy or corrupt the Bible, then he tries to introduce “new” so-called “lost books” of the Bible to confuse people. It is NO coincidence nowadays, in this time of great apostasy–when homosexuals are being given in marriage, when babies are being murdered by the hundreds-of-millions worldwide through abortion, when witchcraft is all around us, when booze and gambling are commonplace, when sexual sins and lasciviousness have saturated society, when churches are silent concerning sin and false religion–that we should see all these “new” so-called revelations concerning the Bible. Here’s an article I wrote exposing the Book of Judas, and another exposing The Jesus Papers. Don’t be fooled, the King James Bible is a complete Book, and a Fine Book indeed. By the way, if you are using a New International Version, please throw it away! God promised in Psalm 12:6,7 to preserve His Word unto all generations, and He wonderfully has, in the precious King James Bible.
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The King James Bible Defended!
Ye Must Be Born Again!
@Nnaki-Raelian, Man, this demonically deceived man, Rael, just gets worst, you think he is cohabiting sexually with these alien impostors as well!? Have to watch this, as some GIANTS might just appear, 400 feet tall, as the fraudulent, spurious so-called book of Enoch, says.
BTW, Nnaki-Raelian, what about YOU, personally, as one of the DIE-HARD DECEIVED followers, have you had any VISITATIONS as yet from these UFO wizards, thaumaturgic, magicking, enchanting DEMON entities, posing as representatives of the gods* creators*?
Rael Exposed
Sunday, September 04, 2005
Rael Exposed
ALIEN NATION’UFO cult’ infiltratedFilmmaker secretly documents Raelians to expose ‘brainwashing, sexual coercion’
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A young filmmaker says he infiltrated the UFO cult known as the Raelians, and he’s looking to blow the lid off the secretive group with footage he shot while undercover.
The Raelians are reportedly threatening legal action to prevent release of the exposé.
The documentary was produced by Abdullah Hashem, a half-American, half-Egyptian man from Mooresville, Ind., who just graduated from college this year.
Hashem, along with colleague Joe McGowen, attended a recruiting session for the Raelians, an international group which believes the first human beings were cloned by aliens who visited the Earth in flying saucers 25,000 years ago. They contend these aliens, or Elohim – a Hebrew word referring to God – will return to Jerusalem when there is world peace and an embassy has been built for them.
The group is headed by Frenchman Claude Vorilhon, a former race-car driver and journalist who renamed himself Rael after supposedly being visited in 1973 by a member of the Elohim. He described his visitor as being about 3-feet tall with long black hair, almond-shaped eyes, olive skin and exuding “harmony and humor.”
He says he discovered through this meeting that his father was an alien, and claims he was taken in the flying saucer to meet Jesus, Buddha and Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormons. Rael now describes himself as a prophet and claims that cloning will enable humanity to attain eternal life.
In December 2002, the Raelians gained worldwide attention by claiming it had cloned the first human being, announcing the expected birth of a child named “Eve” to a 31-year old American woman who was never identified.
It was this claim, which remains uncorroborated and was even suggested to be a hoax by a high-ranking Raelian official, that sparked the interest of Hashem to reveal the clandestine activities of the Raelians.
“I’m not a religious nut, but according to my beliefs, when people wear shirts that say there is no God, I have to do something,” Hashem told the Mooresville-Decatur Times.
After spending time with the Raelians, Hashem claims members are brainwashed and sex is used as coercive tool to gain access to the finances of those in the group.
During their recruitment, Hashem and McGowen said they watched highly sexual shows aimed at convincing prospective members.
“We talked to a lot of homosexuals who said they joined because it’s the only religion not to have condemned them and they feel more comfortable there,” Hashem told the Times.
McGowen admitted having a hard time keeping his wits about him due to the seductive atmosphere.
“You have really attractive women who are out of a lot of men’s league, and they come up to you and touch you,” McGowen said. “I was seduced by a couple of women and got in pretty deep.”
And while sexual freedom is welcomed, Hashem says activities such as gambling are condemned, though he claims to have followed Rael into a Las Vegas casino and filmed him playing slot machines.
He says they were able to get close to Rael, but the pair did fall under suspicion.
We were afraid of them and that they would find out,” Hashem said. “Some of the leaders didn’t trust us or talk to us, and one of the top guys seemed to be following us. I’m not sure that he was, but he would show up in odd places like when we were in Vegas on our own time.”
Hashem says his film contains highly damaging evidence, and the Raelians have since discovered the secret filming, reportedly calling and sending e-mails with threats of legal action should the movie be released.
Hashem says he’s willing to keep the film away from the public, but only if the group is disbanded and Rael resigns.
“They tried to offer us money and compensation, but we don’t want their money, we want them done,” Hashem told the Times. “We want to keep kids from being sucked in by this.”
McGowen echoed that sentiment.
“I wanted to do this because, though so many people look at this and know it is insane, they have more than 60,000 members,” McGowen said. “That means people are joining them. I want this out there so that parents can see what’s going on and have a chance to protect their children.”
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@ Zoe;
So you have thrown your medication down the drain! Tut, tut, tut!
Since you are undergoing withdrawal symptoms take a dose of truth serum. Tell us about the Maccabees and other books of the Apocrypha! Are these too the writings of Satan!
“Ye Must Be Born Again!”
But one must die before this miraculous incarnation takes place! Can’t you wait until the winter solstice and 4 days after you will witness rebirth of your Lord & Saviour, the SUN of GOD!
@Zoe | November 10, 2011 at 10:26 AM |
“Are you really gullible enough to believe that fallen angels had physical intimacy with earthly women that produced offspring 450-feet tall? I don’t think so! We read in chapter 7:12-15 of the Book of Enoch…”
Well Zoe if you can believe that Methuselah lived to 969 (genesis 5: 27) and 2 polar bears along with 2 sabretooth tigers, 2 Komodo dragons, 2 anacondas, 2 cobras and 2 wooly mammoths and their bison cousins were in the Ark with Noah and his incestuous lot, well then you can believe anything, even in devils!
Bible prophecies explained:
End time prophecy from the Bible
This selection of end times prophecies from the Bible involve the end times and events leading up to the end times, when Jesus is to return and judge the living and the dead.
The commentaries below are from the second edition of the book, 100 Prophecies, by George Konig and Ray Konig, who are the authors and copyright holders of the material. The commentaries are reprinted here with written permission from the authors. All rights reserved. The third edition, revised and expanded, of 100 Prophecies: Ancient Biblical prophecies that foretold the future is available through Amazon.com.
Jesus will return (to judge the living and the dead)
Bible prophecy: Matthew 24:29-31
Prophecy written: During the first century
Prophecy fulfilled: To be fulfilled
In Matthew 24:29-31, as well as in other places within the New Testament, Jesus revealed about 2000 years ago that he will return in the future to judge the living and the dead. This is a core Christian belief that is reflected in the Apostles’ Creed, which is a summary of Christian beliefs that was written many centuries ago. The Apostles’ Creed is recited by Christians during Christian worship services. – Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org
Matthew 24:29-31:
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days ” ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.
31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
No one will know the hour or the day of Jesus’ return
Bible prophecy: Matthew 24:36-37
Prophecy written: During the first century
Prophecy fulfilled: Many times throughout history
When Jesus lived in the land of Israel about 2000 years ago, he gave a very simple and concise answer when someone asked him when he would return: He explained that no one knows the hour or the day, except for God the Father (Matthew 24:36).
Even so, many people throughout history have falsely insisted that they knew the timing of Jesus’ return, only to be proven wrong. During the past few centuries, for example, there have been some very influential people who have misled many people with their false predictions, including:
• William Miller, who is credited with the beginning of the Adventist movement, which includes the Seventh-day Adventist Church. He claimed that Jesus would return “sometime between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844.”
• After his prediction had failed, a colleague named Samuel Snow, claimed that the true date would be October 22, 1844. That prediction also proved false.
• Nelson H. Barbour, a Millerite Adventist who lived from 1824 to 1905, wrote a book entitled Evidences for the Coming of the Lord in 1873, and was involved in other date-setting attempts with Charles Taze Russell.
• Russell continued attempts at setting dates for the return of Jesus and spoke of invisible fulfillments. Russell is credited as being the founder of a religious organization called Jehovah’s Witnesses.
• Herbert W. Armstrong, who lived from 1892 to 1986 and founded a religious organization called the Worldwide Church of God, wrote a book called 1975 in Prophecy! The book warned of a catastrophic drought, enslavement of Americans and Britons, nuclear war, and the return of Jesus as a dictator.
• Joseph Smith, the founder of a religion called Mormonism, claimed that Jesus would return by 1891. – Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org
Matthew 24:36-37:
36 No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Jesus’ return will be unexpected
Bible prophecy: 2 Peter 3:1-18
Prophecy written: During the first century
Prophecy fulfilled: To be fulfilled
In 2 Peter, which is the name of an epistle (letter) in the New Testament of the Bible, we are told that the return of Jesus will take people by surprise, that “the day of the Lord will come like a thief.”
The author, Peter, who was one of Jesus’ apostles, reminds Christians to live righteously (2 Peter 3:11 and 2 Peter 3:14) and to view the end times with joy rather than fear (2 Peter 3:12-13). – Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org
2 Peter 3:1-18:
1 Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking.
2 I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.
3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”
5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.
7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives
12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.
13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.
15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.
16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17 Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
The “day of the Lord” will take people by surprise
Bible prophecy: 1 Thessalonians 5:1-9
Prophecy written: About 50 AD
Prophecy fulfilled: To be fulfilled
In a letter addressed to the church of the Thessalonians, from Paul, Silas, and Timothy, we are reminded that the return of Jesus, which is referenced here as the “day of the Lord,” will take people by surprise.
In fact, we are told that the day will come “like a thief in the night” (1 Thessalonians 5:2), during a time when people are talking about peace and safety (1 Thessalonians 5:3). – Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org
1 Thessalonians 5:1-9:
1 Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you,
2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.
3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.
5 You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness.
6 So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be alert and self-controlled.
7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night.
8 But since we belong to the day, let us be self-controlled, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.
9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Before the end comes, the Gospel will be preached to the entire world
Bible prophecy: Matthew 24:14
Prophecy written: During the first century
Prophecy fulfilled: Fulfilled in history, currently being fulfilled
In Matthew 24:14, the Bible says that the Gospel (the news about Jesus and his offer of salvation and eternal life) will be preached throughout the world. The Bible also says that sometime after this happens, the end will come. The Bible has been preached throughout the world for a long time. But now, with the increasing worldwide availability of television and the Internet, there is greater potential for the Gospel to be preached to everyone, everywhere. – Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org
Matthew 24:14:
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
There will be false messiahs before Jesus returns
Bible prophecy: Matthew 24:23-25
Prophecy written: During the first century
Prophecy fulfilled: Many times throughout history
Jesus prophesied in Matthew 24 that there would be false messiahs before his return and history has provided us with many examples.
Perhaps the most destructive of the false messiahs was Simon bar Kochba, who unleashed such great harm on his people that the injuries are still visible today.
Kochba lived during the second century of this era. With the help of the highly revered Rabbi Akiva, who declared that Kochba was the promised messiah, Kochba organized a rebellion against the Romans who occupied and controlled the land of Israel.
The Romans, at great cost to themselves, eventually defeated Kochba’s rebellion, and destroyed villages, towns and settlements throughout the land of Israel, and forced a new exile of Jews from the land of Israel, the effects of which are felt today. Even now, the majority of Jewish people live outside of the land of Israel. – Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org
Matthew 24:23-25:
23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
Jesus spoke of a day of unequaled destruction and suffering
Bible prophecy: Matthew 24:21-22
Prophecy written: During the first century
In Matthew 24:21-22, Jesus says that there would come a time of unequaled suffering. Many people have offered their opinions about this prophecy, claiming that it has already happened, or that it is happening, or that it will happen in the future. Some opinions involve claims of widespread disease and famine, or terrorism, or nuclear war, etc. And, so, it can be easy to overlook the good news contained in this prophecy: No matter what happens in this world, no matter how bad things get, God ultimately is in control. And, as we learn from other verses, such as John 3:16, no matter what happens, those who believe in Jesus are given the gift of salvation and eternal life with God. – Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org
Matthew 24:21-22:
21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Jerusalem will be trampled upon
Bible prophecy: Luke 21:23-24
Prophecy written: During the first century
Prophecy fulfilled: Currently being fulfilled
Jesus prophesied that the Gentiles, which is a word that refers to non-Jews, would trample upon Jerusalem until the end times.
It is interesting to note that when Jesus gave this prophecy during the first century of this era, the Jews had considerable control over the city of Jerusalem, even though they were forcibly incorporated into the Roman Empire. The Jews had a Temple in Jerusalem and were able to carry out various Temple functions associated with Judaism.
But, about 40 years after Jesus prophesied about Gentiles trampling upon Jerusalem, the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple and forced Jews into exile. Even today, nearly 2,000 years later, the Jews still do not have enough control over Jerusalem to rebuild their Temple on the Temple Mount. – Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org
Luke 21:23-24:
23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people.
24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
All who believe in Jesus will be saved
Bible prophecy: John 3:16
Prophecy written: During the first century
Prophecy fulfilled: Currently being fulfilled
In books, movies and Internet articles, so much attention is given to the prophecies that foretell the future of the world that we sometimes overlook the prophecies that foretell our own futures, on an individual basis. Consider, for example, John 3:16, in which Jesus prophesies that anyone who believes in him will be given the gift of eternal life with God. – Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org
John 3:16:
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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The fastest growing religion is…Christianity! It’s taking over the planet.
Christianity taking over planet?
Evidence suggests it’s fastest growing faith on Earth
What is the fastest-growing religion on Earth?
Most news reports suggest it is Islam.
But the evidence suggests a new, or, perhaps, original form of biblically inspired evangelical Christianity is sweeping through places like China , Africa, India and Southeast Asia – making it, by far, the fastest growing faith on the planet.
In “Megashift,” author Jim Rutz coins a new phrase to define this fast-growing segment of the population. He calls them “core apostolics” – or “the new saints who are at the heart of the mushrooming kingdom of God .”
Rutz makes the point that Christianity is overlooked as the fastest-growing faith in the world because most surveys look at the traditional Protestant denominations and the Roman Catholic Church while ignoring Christian believers who have no part of either.
He says there are 707 million “switched-on disciples” who fit into this new category and that this “church” is exploding in growth.
“The growing core of Christianity crosses theological lines and includes 707 million born-again people who are increasing by 8 percent a year,” he says.
So fast is this group growing that, under current trends, according to Rutz, the entire world will be composed of such believers by the year 2032.
“There will be pockets of resistance and unforeseen breakthroughs,” writes Rutz in “Megashift”. “Still, at the rate we’re growing now, to be comically precise, there would be more Christians than people by the autumn of 2032, about 8.2 billion.”
According to the author, until 1960, Western evangelicals outnumbered non-Western evangelicals – mostly Latinos, blacks and Asians – by two to one. As of 2000, non-Western evangelicals outnumbered Westerners by four to one. That moved to seven to one this year.
“There are now more missionaries sent from non-Western nations than Western nations,” he writes.
This trend, says Rutz, has been missed by Westerners because the explosive growth is elsewhere.
Hundreds of millions of these Christians are simply not associated with the institutional churches at all. They meet in homes. They meet underground. They meet in caves. They meet, he says, in secret.
And what is driving this movement?
Miracles, he says.
“Megashift” attempts to document myriad healings and other powerful answers to the sincere prayers of this new category of believer, including, believe it or not, hundreds of dramatic cases of resurrections – not near-death experiences, but real resurrections of actual corpses.
“When I was a kid in Sunday school, I was really impressed that 3,000 people were saved on the Day of Pentecost,” he writes. “I thought, ‘Wow, that’ll never happen again!’”
But, Rutz says, it now happens around the globe every 25 minutes.
“By tomorrow, there will be 175,000 more Christians than there are today,” he writes.
The essence of “Megashift” is about how Western Christians can tap into what he sees as a mighty work of God on Earth.
“Very few people realize the nature of life on Earth is going through a major change,” he writes. “We are seeing a megashift in the basic direction of human history. Until our time, the ancient war between good and evil was hardly better than a stalemate. Now all has changed. The Creator whose epic story flows through the pages of Scripture has begun to dissolve the strongholds of evil. This new drama is being played out every hour around the globe, accompanied sometimes by mind-bending miracles.”
Zoe | November 10, 2011 at 11:03 AM |
1 Thessalonians 5:5:
“5 You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. ”
Are you a Sun Worshiper? Good for you! Now you are true son of Mankind’s God!
But Zoe, come off the cut & paste lark! Can’t you think for yourself sometimes? Can’t you even present in condensed or précis form some of your researched mumbo jumbo?
Zoe me thinks you need to stop reproducing so much bull and have a Chinese takeaway for dinner (east some pussy (cat)!). You would enjoy the taste of “the N’nuki “nukerts”! (LOL!!)
Out of Agnosticism – Terry Blake
ViewRearrange.My original condition:
Agnosticism: The claim (denied by Romans 1:18-20) that one has no knowledge of God or the origin of the universe. Some agnostics make the claim on a personal level, while allowing that such knowledge may exist but has never been known by themselves. Others assert that such knowledge cannot be had by anyone. Agnostics avoid the charge of dogmatic atheism by acknowledging the theoretical possibility of God’s existence. Yet virtually all live as if the non-existence of God was an established fact, and are thus practical atheists.
What happened to me:
This is a list of events beginning on or about January 10, 1985
(1st Day) For some unexplained reason, at least at the time, I began watching TBN. I thought it was all a bit strange at first. Then I found my self CRYING ( for no reason) and unable to change the TV channel. I went to bed that night in amazement of what was happening to me for no apparent reason. (2nd Day) The next day when I turned on the TV, it was still on TBN. Again, I JUST HAD TO WATCH IT, I didn’t know why, I just had to watch.
Then, between the main programs, TBN was showing a series of short films about Jesus and his life. As I watched one that showed Jesus dying on the cross, my room was filled with a POWER I had never seen or sensed before in my life. I found my self getting out of my chair and falling to my knees, with my head bowed, and still crying, SAYING OUT LOUD!
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FORGIVE ME LORD!
I DID NOT KNOW YOU WERE REAL AND ALIVE TODAY!
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This visitation from Yahshua was the last thing I would have ever imagined!
Romans 14:10-12 ….. For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written: “As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.
I now believed in Him “Yahshua”!!
Jesus “Yahshua” didn’t stay long on that first of many visits, but it’s the one I remember best!
This is the miracle He performed during His first visit:
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(3rd Day) I awoke the next day, knowing I had been radically changed .
Jesus had Immediately delivered me from: (He had taken my “Want-to” away)
1) Smoking ( 3 packs a day habit)
2) Alcoholism ( 4 or 5 drinks every night “Rum & Coke”)
3) Prescription Medication ( Ativan , 3 times a day habit)
All, without any withdraw symptoms of any kind
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He also delivered me from fornication. (1 Corinthians 6:12-20) I just didn’t know it yet.
I was a ” practical atheist” and totally Un-Churched, the groups I associated with did not use the word. These Methodist that the Lord had sent me to just kept bringing it up and saying it was a bad thing. For a long time I just ignored the fact that I really did not know what they were talking about exactly. So, one day I decided to look up the definition. To my utter astonishment it applied to me!! It was one of those rarer lean times in my love life, so I wasn’t currently involved with anyone, but fornication definitely applied to my regular un-saved and sinful behavior.
***( Consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other )***
This path of delivery took a bit longer and was more difficult for me to embrace. This ordeal alone would no doubt require at least another entire page to describe it completely. Lets just say. I did finally get delivered and have been celibate now for almost 20 years. When GOD wants to do something, it will get done. Evan if my initial cooperation was minimal on this issue, He has ways not available to men to cause one to be more willing when necessary. ( I personally do NOT recommend one should resist the LORD in any way. It’s just not a good Idea.) Thank you LORD, “Yahshua the Messiah” for my salvation and delivery from my sinful and dangerous activity’s!!!
Sure, I knew Jesus was a Biblical character, but I had no idea He was REAL and ALIVE today.
People were often telling me I should go to church and STOP doing this and START doing that. Each church had a different set of DO’S and DON’TS and no one ever actually told me. JESUS WAS REAL! HE LIVES TODAY! And I needed to meet this man from the Bible. (Yahshua the Messiah)
(Because of the world we currently live in, I have to be VERY CLEAR as to what happened to me on this day, the most important day of my life)
WHAT I KNOW TO BE TRUE:
@Nnaki-Raelian, I have given my personal testimony to my LIVING, REAL, VIBRANT, experience WITH, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, as my Personal Saviour and LORD, a number of times here in BU!
Like multiplied hundreds of MILLIONS, across the earth, from every know ethic, and cultural background, over the last 2,000 years, who came to KNOW* personally, the Resurrected KING OF KINGS, and LORD OF LORDS, JESUS* CHRIST*, I KNOW* that I KNOW* that HE* IS* the Only Saviour of mankind, and just like others, from Russia, China, Africa, the Middle East, South America, et al countries, WE ALL, Black, White, Brown, Yellow, and every other shade in between, KNOW* HIM* JESUS CHRIST, because exactly what HE* promised would happen, IF, we repented of our our SINS, and by FAITH, not blind faith, but reasonable FAITH, accept and receive HIM* into our hearts and lives, He would not only forgive us, and give us the Gift of Eternal life, BUT, would also TRANSFORM us from WITHIN, and this Miracle of a transformed life, like my brothers and sisters from across the world, I can TESTIFY TO, daily, in many varied ways.
His PEACE* that He gives you, I cannot describe, it literally IS* transcends every thing I had previously experienced, BEFORE KNOWING* HIM*, and I would NOT* exchange HIS* PEACE, purpose for my life, for ANYTHING in this corrupt. EVIL world system!
And, I’m NOT talking about religion, ritualism, or any of that other falsity, I am talking about a Personal KNOWING* REAL* LIVING* relationship, with JESUS CHRIST, whose WITNESS and reality, began 2,000 years ago, HAS transformed mega MILLIONS, every where, and CONTINUES growing every day, across the nations of this earth!
I KNOW* that I KNOW* HE* IS* the LORD of ALL GLORY, for HE* has touched and TRANSFORMED my life, PRAISE BE TO HIS GLORIOUS NAME!
Will somebody PLEASE recapture the escaped bat and return it to the Bat Cave and then seal it!!!!!
@Zoe… A bit of advice, if I may…
A good friend of mine taught me many years ago: “Be responsible for the listening into which you are speaking.”.
No one is listening to you.
You talk too much; without actually saying anything….
@Amused et al…
We all, of course, understand Zoe’s methodology.
Zoe is hoping to inject so much “noise” into the channel that the “signal” is lost…
But as Claude E. Shannon proved mathematically, even in a noisy channel it is possible to get a message through….
As Stanton Gittens, I think it was, at HC in the good old school days, while conducting an oral around a class of fourth form boys, most applicable here to the BU Scoffers and Bildge Pumpers:
“Next, JACKASS, (HALSALL, stand on the bench) next, Nnaki, YOU WOULD’NT know, next, Amused, YOU would NEVER know, next, et al Bildge Pumpers, OUT SIDE, straignt to the Head Masters office….”
1. ISRAEL SLAMS UN SECURITY COUNCIL ON PA ROCKET ATTACKS
by Chana Ya’ar
Israel’s ambassador to the United Nations is asking that body’s Security Council why it’s not “shocked” by the constant barrage of rockets and mortars fired by Gaza terrorists at southern Israel.
Ambassador Ron Prosor declared Wednesday during a meeting of the U.N. Security Council that the unstable security situation in southern Israel should shock that body’s members – which have often expressed deep dismay at similar situations elsewhere in the world.
Prosor criticized the Council at its session on Wednesday for not condemning the attacks by Palestinian Authority Arab terrorists, who earlier this month killed a 56-year-old Ashkelon man and physically wounded 16 other people in a barrage aimed at the southern region.
Another 14 people were also sent to the hospital with trauma reactions and severe anxiety attacks during the five-day period in which rockets and mortars were fired at Israeli civilian communities.
“The pain caused by these attacks is permanent,” Prosor pointed out. “The scars are both physical and psychological… One million Israelis were compelled to stay home from work last week to ensure their safety… 200,000 children were kept home from school.
“These stories should shock and appall the Security Council and all decent people. Yet, not a single world of condemnation has been uttered by this Council. Not one word.
“The silence speaks volumes,” he said.
Zoe | November 11, 2011 at 8:43 AM |
So you got your ass played with and roasted by Stanton du Maurier chain smoking Gittens! I bet you enjoyed those times before he left for Cawmere to carry on that rearguard activity!
Today is the 11/11/11. Just a little on the light side multiply 111111 by the same number 111111.
Mathematics 101 for today.
@ Ph.D | November 11, 2011 at 3:16 PM |
The Chinese egotistical answer is: Me,Me,Me,Me, Me,Me!
The Zoeistic answer is:The number of days the god of your book of the origin of the species created the universe and everything therein, even Isa.
The rational answer is:123456 654321 = the number of words Zoe has used in his blogs!
I know I have failed but I am still going to heaven because I have enough money to bribe St. Peter. After all, he already denied (sold out) the man in charge!
Mr. MLnuki, Isa/Esa is what the Muslim translators seek to impose on us Christians, as they are right now trying to impose their Islamic beliefs, Sharia law, and other primitive, hate filled , male dominated filth.
In their efforts to brainwash or confuse others, they themselves become confused. What is the right or appropiate way of transliterating a name from one language to another , if they have two distinctly different alphabets?
What is Jesus’ original name? The historically correct answer can only be that it is the name that he was given at his “naming ceremony” (Luke 2:21), the name by which he was called by his mother, his foster-father, his siblings and other relatives, his neighbors, his friends and his disciples during his life on earth. There is no disagreement about the fact that Jesus was not an Arab but a Jew who lived in Israel and was born into a family of pious Jews. He had without question a Hebrew name. His original (i.e. true) name is neither European nor Arabic, so it was neither Jesus nor Yasu’ nor Esa. A close phonetic transliteration of Jesus’ Hebrew name into modern English would be Yeshua’. In fact, the choice of his name receives considerable attention in the Gospels. His name was not arbitrarily chosen by his parents, but he received his name based on God’s direct command (Matthew 1:21, Luke 1:31) because the meaning of this name expresses the purpose for which he was born (Matthew 1:21).
Blesssing my friend, and by the way , since by your own admission you do hope to go to heaven, there is no need to bribe anyone, it is offered for free simply through accepting Jesus Christ as your personal saviour.
Ph.D | November 12, 2011 at 4:01 AM |
“there is no need to bribe anyone, it is offered for free simply through accepting Jesus Christ as your personal saviour.”
Tell that to the millions of slaves that were brought from Western Africa and exploited and abused with the blessings and collusion of your Christian hypocrites and abusers! All the dirty, sordid, wicked deeds perpetrated against the innocent vulnerable children of the Light are slowly being Revealed. The game is up, you misguided followers of falsehood, stop hiding behind a myth called Jesus (Yeshua). It’s just a play or story of astrology and its influence on the human moral condition that has been rewritten and reworked by Jewish story tellers through the ages and used by Europeans to control the masses and advance their hegemonic aims.
I know I will be returning to Heaven (the Sky) but ,you know what, I certainly will not be seeing you lot of bigoted, arrogant, anti-female (no women priest allowed), condemnatory, unforgiving hypocrites who practise the complete opposite to what is written in the book you pretend to adhere to. There is definitely no difference between you right wing fundamentalist judeo-christian soothsayers and the Islamic fundamentalist you so ardently put down. But as the saying goes: It takes one to know one (your brothers in religious bigotry and lies).
Miller …….Good one for Ph.D…he is soo educated that he openly believes lies and expect that others should do so too.
islandgal246 | November 12, 2011 at 9:43 AM |
Thanks, islandgirl!
He deserved it!
Just wanted to get it off my chest! How can a person pretending to be a doctor of philosophy (presumably in a discipline involving scientific research) believe in and peddle such arrant nonsense and puerile crap written in a book containing tales of astrological significance but cloaked in human form and activity for easy comprehension by the uneducated and simple masses is beyond basic reasoning!
Excuse the long-winded sentence but it is not as bad as Zoe’s cut & paste “war & peace” type diatribe!
MLnuki, it seems like your are morally blind in one eye , and severly myopic in the other.
History and development didn’t happen in isolation of African agency. Slavery and colonialism did victimized Africans, but Africans are not histories perpetual victims. Africans in antiquity had agency and made conscious choices which contributed to the development of humanity.
Regardless of orientation, to believe Africans have been on the receiving any of other people’s whims is to deny African human agency. Agency swings both ways and as much as it holds us accountable it also defines our station in civilization.
The African holocaust is no more, or less abhorrent or horrific than the Jewish holocaust. It is all SIN.
In your myopic attempt at race bating,you totally ignored the cold hard facts , that those slaves were sold by none other than their very own, note I said sold. You also devalued , and showed no respect for others who have suffered the same fate.
Should we talk about crimes against humanity, let’s start with this lot.
1. Mengistu. Ethiopia
2.Omar al Bashir. Sudan.3
3.Idi Amin Dada. Uganda
4.Bokassa Cen Rep Afr.
5.Hissene Habre. Chad
6.Kabila Dem Rep Congo.
Current days leaders, Robert Mugabe, and Charles Taylor ( not current ).
The holocausts , both of them, are without doubt, the most impacting ‘social’ occurances in the history of humanity, not only in terms of scale, but also legacy and horror. The Jews have lifted themselves up with the help of the Lord Jesus, and he is also lifting the black race, that is ,those of us who seek his help.
This Sun worshiping is having serious impact upstairs. Radiation exposure can have dire consequences.
David Hume
Slavery is still to this very day, being perpetrated on evey continent on this planet, most now againt children,and women being sold into prostitution . As I write, there is a month long CNN report on this very topic.
I wonder why the black man continues to promote the white man’s faith and feel that the Jews are the chosen ones? Mr Ph.D the tribes in Europe were also enslaving and persecuting their neighbours as well as invading their lands long before we left Africa. Yet we have been brainwashed to believe that this strange religion called Christianity will save us. Save us from what? From ourselves?
“. The Jews have lifted themselves up with the help of the Lord Jesus, and he is also lifting the black race, that is ,those of us who seek his help.”
This is the biggest JOKE I have heard for a long time. The Jews do not believe in Jesus you fool! So how could he have helped them?
My apologies for the DAVID HUME bit. My intention was to connect that sicko’s statement demeaning black people and refering to them as less than human, to SIN and evolutionary teachings. Sometimes the computer will get ahead of us.
Ph.D…Garbage in Garbage out and stop blaming the computer. Now go to the back of the class.
millertheanunnaki | November 12, 2011 at 8:34 AM |
I see that MTA has come to the same conclusions I have a long time ago.
Ph.D | November 12, 2011 at 10:36 AM |
“This Sun worshiping is having serious impact upstairs. Radiation exposure can have dire consequences. ‘
Islandgirl has already given you a kick up” where the sun never shines”!
But I am surprised that you have not quoted verses from the bible justifying slavery, especially Genesis and his poor “black Sam” son Ham!
Look man, use you pseudo research skills and like your sidekick the cut & paste bat Zoe examine the evidence that confirms all religions especially your Constantine approved Christianity have at their centre the SUN as the object of their adoration. Without the Sun mankind cannot exist! Scientific enough for you, Egyptian plagiarist and copycat?
Peace be unto you!
(From a Pagan).
Why do these so called theologians who know so little, feel that because they quote a few words from their bible and punctuate it with Jesus Christ and God gives them legitimacy. It is time Black people stop and really read/listen to what these stupid ass preachers and take them to task. I can’t believe that people like Ph.D teaching people about something he know very little about. And to keep chanting rubbish like accept and be saved. Stupseeeeee.
MLnuki, you carefully avoided the part about the dictators in Africa.
Not a word , do you condone that? Your head is fastened so far up the rectum of paganism, the occult and other satanic crap, you are no longer able to see the light.
Your agricultural level of environment is self evident in your utterings, and your other like minded siblings grunting along behind you as well.
Why don’t you take a trip outside to the real world, do you think you could handle it on your own.
Get a proper education, so you maybe able to articulate your positions a little better. Or better yet get a life.
quoted from above ”As Stanton Gittens, I think it was, at HC in the good old school days, while conducting an oral around a class of fourth form boys, most applicable here to the BU”
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I would not be quoting someone who obviously thought belittlement a good approach or seemingly took pleasure in belittling students, another of his phrases being ‘I could do better with a bloody bunch of monkeys’.
Pity no student then took a moment to advise him that in such case both his and their time would have been better served if he went up to St.John and spent his days there instead.
Ph.D | November 12, 2011 at 2:15 PM |
The dictators of Africa of Africa are no different from those found in your beloved story book of violence, war, genocide, discrimination, hatred of the feminine and arguments over the worship of various gods. From bisexual David to promiscuous Solomon to Herod who wanted to murder your sweet baby Jesus. All a bunch of genocidal megalomaniacs using religion and the army to control the masses. Europe is also replete with evil despots along with Asia and South America. Who was in charge of the Court of Inquisition and took the lead in massacring the Incas and Aztecs, not the Church?
It is precisely because I have a “proper education and have lived in many different places in the “real World ‘ that I am able to think for my self and question and challenge nonsense when it surfaces. I do not have to cut & paste the writings of others to present an idea or support any argument.
I crave your indulgence and will breach your copyright of cutting and pasting by quoting a piece of advice from a non-Christian philosopher:
“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.” ~Buddha
Trust me I have a life, one filled with memories as immortalised in the Paul Anka song “My Way”.
Resorting to ad hominems will not cut the mustard or save your ass when the intellectual battle gets hot and you are at the losing end, PhD!
It’s amazing how these christians become when rattled. What makes it sad, is that this is a blog, where you have to type. Therefore the excuse of a remark made in haste and anger just doesn’t cut it, it is obviously deliberate.
Thought they were taught to be quick to reason and not anger……oh well….such is life.
Reading what comes out of the mouths of these Christians leaves very little inclination to become one. Christianity has really fcuked with the black man’s brain.
Me thinks we have finally managed to seal the bat cave with sidekick Zoe over-medicated and the masked PhD the fraud fatally injured!
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=1150636n
@ stardust | November 12, 2011 at 8:27 PM |
It can be safely bet that approx. 10% of those in that room were squirming in their seats from the hot air of hypocrisy circulating in the room.
It can also be reliably stated that a good number of them are HIV positive.
It could also be concluded that many of them in that room are the descendants of those who were directly involved in the capturing and storing of their fellow Africans at that end (gold coast) of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade.
It’s Ok now for them to “cuss homo-loving” Britain now she is broke but, if given the opportunity, 90 % of Ghanaians would still want to migrate and live there. One thing for sure, it’s a one way movement of people and products when it comes to China. The only thing leaving Ghana for China is raw materials and commodities. Not even bush meat (smoked monkey).
I don’t think Nkrumah would be proud of what is happening in Ghana today given the influence and control Chinese and Indian have over the economy.
It would be interesting to find out what position the same Parliament if China demanded that Mandarin becomes the official language of Ghana from 2013!
THE BRITS HAVE STRANGE SEXUAL HABITS :
Woman Died From Sex With Dog, Sean McDonnell Arrested In Limerick, Ireland
” A man has been charged with breaking Ireland’s bestiality laws for forcing his dog to have sex with a woman who died from an allergic reaction brought on by the perverse act.
Sean McDonnell, the 57-year-old charged in the case, apparently ordered his German Shepherd to have sex with a 43-year-old mother of four that he met in an online fetish chatroom, according to the Journal.
They met to perform the kinky act with the canine, but the woman died hours later from an attack similar to a reaction unleashed by a peanut allergy, according to the Irish Daily Star….”
First Posted: 7/8/11 06:40 PM ET Updated: 7/12/11 12:17 AM ET
HUFFPOST WEIRD NEWS.
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WIFE HAD SEX WITH PET DOG
Vince Soodin
Published: 16 Feb 2009
” A DEPRAVED wife is facing jail after admitting to having sex with her DOG.
Twisted Patricia Newman, 40, had even trained her pet Alsation to have sex with her, a court heard.
She was arrested after police found a video of the vile act.
Newman and her 44-year-old husband Timothy Newman also faced charges for a string of child pornography offences.
He was told he faces jail – after he admitted filming up the skirts of young girls and women in public places.
The pair appeared in court today following the discovery of hundreds of child porn images at their home in Great Wakering, Essex……”
The Sun News.
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Woman, 45, faces jail for having sex with a dog
“A woman from Kent is facing 16 months behind bars for having sex with a dog.
Tracy Woolridge, from Canterbury, was arrested after police found illegal images at a house in the town.
Woolridge, of The Close, Downs Road, pleaded guilty to two charges of intercourse with an animal but initially denied sexual activity with a child.”
by Daily Mail
Last updated at 1:40 AM on 26th September 2011
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2041318/Woman-faces-jail-having-sex-dog.html#ixzz1dYHDmFHc
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Briton arrested in raid on ‘beastiality farm’
” A British tourist has been arrested in a raid on what US investigators said was a “bestiality farm”.
Assistant US attorney Susan Roe said Stephen Clarke, 51, of Peterborough, Cambs, had admitted bestiality offences to police.
Clarke was arrested with Douglas Spink, 39, who was running the farm in Washington state in which visitors could engage in sickening sex acts with animals.
Spink and Clarke were arrested at convicted cocaine smuggler Spink’s ramshackle, heavily-wooded compound near the Canadian border.
When agents searched Spink’s home, they found a video of Clarke sexually abusing dogs and Clarke was still on the property, wearing the same clothes as in the video, Whatcom County Sheriff Bill Elfo said.
He was charged with animal cruelty and appeared in Whatcom County Superior Court on Thursday.”
April 17,2010 , World News , Wales Online.
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Man admits having sex with horse and donkey
” A 66-year-old man pleaded guilty today to having sex with a horse and a donkey.
Joseph Squires appeared at Leicester Crown Court charged with buggery of a donkey between February 2 and February 5, 1999, and buggery of a horse between March 15 and 18, 2004….”
By Ellen Branagh, Press Association Monday 12 April 2010 .
The Independent.
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Man jailed for having sex with a horse
” A man has been jailed for three years after being caught having sex with a horse.
Leeroy Le Gallais, 46, broke into the animal’s stable on two separate occasions to perform sex acts on the terrified animal.
During his first attack he used a bucket to stand behind the horse, called Calico, but was caught after leaving his underwear at the scene.
He was given a three-year probation order, but just months later returned to have sex with the same horse at the Castel Stable in Guernsey….”
UK News, The Telegraph , 02/ Dec /2008 .
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Man’s sex with goat
Published: 31 Jan 2002
By ALASTAIR TAYLOR
” A CHEF had sex with a goat ? and was seen by a trainload of passengers, a court heard.
Stephen Hall, 23, lassoed the animal with his belt at the Paradise allotments near his home.
As the packed Hull to Bridlington train stopped at signals, dozens of passengers stared out in amazement.
In seconds, police switchboards were jammed as horrified commuters used their mobiles to report what they had seen.
The female goat was one of a number left to graze near the allotments, Hull Crown Court was told.
A man out walking his dog also made a 999 call to Humberside Police Control Room.
Two members of the public pinned down Hall while a stream of officers raced to the scene. Jobless Hall, from Hull, was initially arrested by the Humberside Police Dog Section.
A vet who examined the goat said it was “subdued” by the assault but was not suffering long-term injury…………”
The Sun News.
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There was a time in Britain when man-on-man buggery was a crime. Eventually enough of those buggers/bullers were able to exert influence to get their vile business acceptable. Now it is a human right. I can foresee the same process taking place in Britain with beastiality and of course Cameron or some other British PM saying, “Beastiality or else”. By that time they will probably find some nice word to make it palatable, just like they now call faggots “gay”.
Ministers to consult on legalising same-sex marriages
” The government has said it is committed to changing the law in England and Wales to allow gay marriage by 2015.
Ministers are to launch a consultation next spring on how to open up civil marriage to same-sex couples ahead of the next general election.
Equalities Minister Lynne Featherstone told the Lib Dem autumn conference that current laws were “simply not fair”.
The leadership of both coalition parties back the move but it is likely to anger some Conservative activists.
And gay rights campaigners have urged the government to act immediately, saying existing laws are discriminatory and a consultation is unnecessary.
At the moment, only men and women are permitted to get married while civil partnerships, which became law in 2005, are limited to same-sex couple….. ”
BBC NEWS UK POLITICS
17 September 2011.
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@brit Those are indeed over the top, tempting at first to laugh at the nutcases (as we usually do) but then one must step back to think of the depraved mind involved.
@Caswell, while I understand your concern, the difference is that two adults can decide with choice and give consent, however animals cannot and therefore no such escalation into legalised bestiality can take place, under the law.
Mr MLnuki, let me say this. In my post referring to the two holocausts, it was my intention , YES, to cut and paste a QUOTE , from a rabid, Godless, racist evolutionist David Hume. I did not read through the entire text before posting. These are the words I am referring to.
” I am apt to suspect Negroes to be naturally infereior to whites.There scarcely ever was a civilized nation of that complexion, nor any individual eminent either in action or in speculation. No ingenious manufacture among them, no arts no sciences “.
My argument is that these BRITISH hatemongers received license from Charles Darwin and his likeminded cronies, to perpetrate some of the most heinous crimes against others who they deemed as inferior, beleiving that in the end they would have no one to account to for their actions. Look and see who stand at the very forefront of this evolutionary madness even today, its most dedicated promoters, Dawkins, Hawkings, Hitchens, Attenborough et al. I say again it is pure unadulterated SIN that drives people to these extremes.
So I plead guilty to cutting and pasting , but I am fully capable of original thought at a level that would simply boggle your mind. In my job we create, in your place , you await the new developements and then gasp.
Here is another cut and paste for you, an African proverb that pretty much relates to the persecution of the black race and also the Jewish people.
” Until lions tell their tale, the story of the hunt will always glorify the hunter”. Again the Brits have written history to glorify themselves, and justify their dirty business dealings throughout the centuries.
Here is yet another cut and paste. Martin Luther King jnr.
” Cowardice ask the question , is it safe? Expediency ask the question, is it political? Vanity asks the question , is it popular? But conscience asks the question, is it right?
If I am judged by you to be an’ Egyptian plagiarist ‘ for cutting and pasting, how does it reflect on you for doing preciselty the same thing after the fact. Not very smart , is it?
Go read Revelations and prepare yourself. Or maybe you have already bought your Harley Davidson and your Hells Angels leather jacket. It is going to be a long hot ride to your destination.
@Phd
David Hume died in 1776. Darwin was born in 1809. How did Darwin give Hume license to do anything?
Animal brothels legal in Denmark
” Laws in both Denmark and Norway are fairly open when it comes to a person’s legal right to engage in sexual activity with an animal. The law states that doing so is perfectly legal, so long as the animal involved does not suffer. According to the Danish newspaper 24timer, this interesting gap in the law has led to a flourishing business in which people pay in order to have sex with animals.
On the internet, several Danish animal owners openly advertise their services. The newspaper contacted several such individuals and was told that many of the animals have been engaged in this kind of activity for several years and that the animals crave the sexual stimulation. The newspaper found that the cost charged by the animal owners varied from DKK 500 to 1,000 (USD$85 to $170).
Since Danish laws are so similar to Norwegian laws, the animal bordello phenomenon has led many to question if such a practice could be legal in Norway as well.
Torunn Knaevelsrud is the section chief for animal welfare for the Norwegian Food Safety Authority. “It is difficult to say yes or no,” he replied to a question about the legality of animal bordellos in Norway………….”
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ICE NEWS, 20/ MAY /2008.
Read more: http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/05/20/animal-brothels-legal-in-denmark/#ixzz1daVBfKfd
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Message to David Cameron and other leaders in the EU .
Stop bestiality farms in Europe
Submitted by cudlover on Sun, 01/11/2009 – 15:37
“As you read this animals in Europe are being raped. Literally they have farms of animals bred and raised to have sex with people. The ****** there even make pornos from it.
HELP STOP THIS ABUSE…….”
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Beast999/petition-sign.html
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Crusoe
Pigs do not consent to become pork, but I can assure you that I ate pork yesterday. Trust me , they will find a way. You would recall that even the church justified slavery.
For those not comfortable with animals don’t forget pedophilia!
“Ph.D | November 13, 2011 at 6:28 AM | ”
“Go read Revelations and prepare yourself. Or maybe you have already bought your Harley Davidson and your Hells Angels leather jacket. It is going to be a long hot ride to your destination.”
You seem to be your god’s left hand man (sitting opposite to Jesus on the right)! So it is you who also have the right to determine who goes to heaven and who goes to hell! Don’t worry, in which ever direction I will be travelling I will not be stopping to give you a ride.
My reference to Egyptian plagiarism and copycat was not intended to attribute any such skill to you but to your Judeo-Christian writings and practices. Egyptian civilization is not your cup of tea and would be dismissed by you and Zoe as pagan and Anti-Christ.
Do the descendants of Canaan the son Ham, (one of the sons of Noah and presumably the ancestor of one of the major races existing today) still have that curse hanging over their heads? You know the one I am referring to, don’t you? Drunken naked Noah finds out that Ham saw his family jewels and asked your god to curse him and his offspring: And he said “cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his bretheren”.
@Brit……..many Bajan Men enjoy sexual relations with horses, sheep and cows. Don’t fool yourself that this thing only happens over and away. It is also home grown.
islandgal246 | November 13, 2011 at 9:39 AM |
And don’t forget “fowl” hens! The fowl cocks were avoided because the spurs could get in way and accidentally operate as as castrating scapels!
Like homosexuality, Bajans have emulated every sexual perversion to a “B”!
I hope that none of these animals on which beastiality is committed are ever slaughtered and sold as food. I would expect that the slaughterer and anyone else who handles the meat especially in its raw state would be at risk for only God know what new exoctic sexually transmitted disease. Lest we forget we did not always have HIV, and HIV is a disease that came out of the animal kingdom.
We must not inflict another HIV-like disease on subsequent generations.
@ islandgirl246…….where are the animal brothels in Barbados ?
Barbadians have adopted the culture of the British, including their deviant sexual behaviour . The British priesthood sexually abused many boys in the colonies (including Barbados) where they worked . Some of their victims became sexual deviants /predators and continued the cycle of homosexuality /paediaphilia.
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Sentencing postponed for priest who abused SA boy
by Rob Boffard on 20 October, 2011 2:29 pm in News /
The South African.com .
” Sentencing has been postponed for a British priest who was convicted of molesting a South African boy in the 1950s.
A clerk at Harrow Crown Court confirmed that the hearing will resume on 28 November 2011.
Leslie Carter, 84, was convicted by a British court of nine counts of indecent assault. One of these charges related to the molestation of a 12-year-old boy visiting the UK, The Sunday Times reported
Harrow Crown Court heard how the victim, now 66 and working in medicine in Cape Town, contacted British police in 2004 to ask if any other victims had come forward. The man had come to the UK with two others in 1957 after Carter, who was working as a chaplain at St George’s Grammar School, had gained their trust.
Carter’s case is regarded as one of the longest-running examples of sexual abuse in the history of Britain’s justice system.
Speaking for the prosecution, Justin Bearman said: “[His] behaviour would take place in a variety of different places around the school including his own living quarters, in the school grounds, scout hut, and the church. [He] used his position of respect, his position as an Anglican priest and a schoolteacher to breach that trust in the most devastating way possible towards these three young men over an extensive period of time.”
Carter left the school in 1962. On returning to the UK he took up employment at Quainton Hall Preparatory School……..”
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18 March 2011 Last updated at 13:59 GMT
London man convicted in Indian paedophilia case
” India’s Supreme Court has convicted two Britons of sexually abusing boys at a children’s shelter in Mumbai.
Duncan Grant, of Hampstead, north London, and Allan Waters, of Hampshire, had been acquitted by the High Court in Mumbai in 2008 for lack of evidence.
But the Supreme Court overturned that decision and upheld guilty verdicts from the trial court in 2006 which sentenced the men to six years……”
” Grant, a charity worker, had set up Anchorage shelter in Colaba, Mumbai, in 1995. Waters, of Porchester, was a visitor to the home, Indian police said.
The pair were charged in 2001 with sexual assault after five boys complained to the police about repeated sexual and physical abuse by the men.
William D’souza, an Indian citizen who managed the shelter, was convicted of aiding and abetting the men and sentenced to three years. He had also earlier been cleared by the High Court, in 2006……”
BBC NEWS.
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English paedophile suspect arrested in Thailand after ten years on the run
By Mail Foreign Service
Mail Online
Last updated at 4:02 PM on 22nd December 2010
” A suspected British paedophile wanted for abusing children as young as 18 months has been arrested in Thailand after more than a decade on the run.
David Taylor, 66, is also accused of selling child porn online.
He will be extradited to Britain, where he was arrested in 1998 and charged with 35 child sex offences.
He fled to Thailand and allegedly continued to abuse children, recording his disgusting activities to put on the internet.
Taylor was charged with keeping more than 10,000 pornographic images of children on his computer at his home in Leicestershire.
The images allegedly included boys being tortured, sexually abused by adults and having sex with dogs.
Thai and British investigators tracked Taylor to Nakhon Ratchasima, north-east of Bangkok, where he was arrested on Sunday at a local post office where he was renting a mailbox.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340797/Paedophile-suspect-David-Taylor-arrested-Thailand-10-years-run.html#ixzz1dbiFLX7d
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Wednesday, 12 January 2011
British man in Cambodia charged with sexual abuse of 4 teenage boys
via CAAI News
By: The Associated Press
11/01/2011
” PHNOM PENH, Cambodia – A British man in Cambodia has been charged with sexually abusing four teenage boys.
Sok Keo Bandit, a prosecutor in Siem Reap province, says Robert Layland was charged Tuesday with paying to procure a child for prostitution and indecent acts with a minor.
He alleges the 54-year-old Layland, who runs a souvenir shop in the province, had sex with four boys, ranging from 14 to 18 years old. He says the boys worked in Layland’s shop.
The anti-child sex group Action Pour Les Enfants says Layland was arrested Monday. Layland is in custody and was not available for comment.
Cambodia has long been a magnet for foreign pedophiles, but in recent years has cracked down on offenders.”
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PAEDOPHILE CASE
British man, 74, arrested for sexual abuse of boy, 14
Police have arrested a 74-year-old British man for alleged sexual abuse of a child.
Published on October 24, 2007
They said yesterday they had found hundreds of photos and pornographic videos of naked boys and men at the man’s home.
Alan Charles Mawson, of Barrow-in-Furness, was arrested in his apartment in Pattaya, Captain Sorakit Thanyasri said. The arrest came a few days after a 14-year-old Thai boy filed a complaint that he was sexually abused by Mawson.
Police who came to arrest Mawson also allegedly found more than 100 photo albums and pornographic videos of naked boys and men in his home.
Mawson was charged with sexual abuse of a child under 15, which carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison. He denied the charge, Sorakit said.
Mawson has lived in Thailand for more than two decades and owned a sauna and a property-leasing company, the officer said.
The Nation, Associated Press
Bangkok’s Independent Newspaper.
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Police arrest German and British nationals for sexual abuse of young boys
” Andaman News on NBT TV Phuket reported that Kathu police superintendent Krissak Songmoonark brought in 41-year-old British national Dax J. Young and a 17 year-old German, who cannot be named due to his age, to be presented to the press.
The two were allegedly involved and conspired together to sexually abuse under-aged boys under 13 years old. The older man was arrested at his home in Patong while the young man was detained from his place in Rawai.
They were arrested by officers from the Department of Special Investigation or DSI. The young German has pleaded guilty to police on all charges while the older suspect still denied the charges, even though many items have been seized as evidence of his illegal action.”
- ThaiNews / 2009-03-12
@Stardust…….we don’t need brothels here just an open pasture with animals grazing and another animal looking to see who looking so he could do his thing and not be caught. Just recently a man was charged for having unlawful sex with a horse on spring garden pasture. Apparently he had gotten away with it a few times before but someone went to investigate when they heard the animal screaming.
islandgal246 | November 13, 2011 at 2:47 PM |
Don’t for get a famous case involving a race horse named “Michelle My Girl” which also was sexually violated by on of its caretakers.
Bajans have been “going to bed’ with all kinds of livestock from the day they were put in charge of the animals welfare. These people are trying to make it appear that sexual abuse of animals is as just a “British” or European idiosyncrasy! But them again the likes of Caswell will go along with this misguided notion.
REF commentMiller Nov 13 2011/4,43pm
Bajans have been “going to bed” with all kinds of livestock
Miller how many of them have you seen in the act and have you reported it.As a law abiding person and citizen of Barbados your above comments are bigoted and inflammatory and i am highly offended and outraged that you would paint the citizens with such a broad
The British like ‘bulling’ little boys .
Islandgirl246 and her buddy are hypocrites ,defending these booty boys .
Fire for these sodomites
Blame every one else for our corrupt behaviour, we are not at all responsible for our behaviour because we learnt them from the British. Stupseeeee.
We should not confuse the issue.
Sex between consenting adults in privacy should not be illegal even if they are same sex.
However, Paedophiles should be locked up indefinitely until a cure is found for their condition.
Children must be protected from abuse.
@cac | November 13, 2011 at 5:53 PM |:
What is good for the goose is better for the gander!
Now you see how it feels to paint a whole populace with same the brush!
Now get off the British back (no pun intended)! Without Britain there is no little England, no? BA and Virgin will stop flying to morally perfect, AIDS free, sugar free and non-hypertensive paradise, yes?
miller i am highly incenced that you would make such a profound statement insenstive to say the least and malicious to the core.about Barbadians overall per your comments
this thread has deteriorated to the lowest common denominator!
The new thing among British perverts is ‘vaselined mice’.
BRITISH MAN ARRESTED IN RAID ON ‘ BESTIALITY FARM ’
FROM THE WEEK
BY ALEX LEWIS LAST UPDATED AT 12:57 ON TUE 20 APRIL 2010.
“A British tourist, Stephen Clarke, 51, is reported to have been charged with animal cruelty after being arrested during a raid on an alleged ‘bestiality farm’ in Washington State, on the US Pacific coast, which allegedly catered to people who want to have sex with animals.
Situated in Whatcom County near the Canadian border, the farm was run by a horse trainer and convicted smuggler Douglas Spink. According to the Vancouver Sun, Spink was arrested along with Clarke after investigators followed up an online advertisement for the farm. “They were promoting tourism of this nature for bestiality,” said Whatcom County Sheriff Bill Elfo.
The police who arrived on the scene first have described what they discovered as “truly bizarre”. As well as dozens of dogs and horses, there were mice “that had had their tails cut off, were smothered in Vaseline and had string tied around them”. Also found at the scene were images of a man, alleged to be Clarke, having sex with several large-breed dogs.
According to Sheriff Elfo, the horses and dogs, which included a Great Dane, have been taken into protective custody while the mice have been euthanized.
Clarke is being held in Whatcom County Jail while three possible charges of first-degree animal cruelty are investigated, according to the Bellingham Herald. Spink, who had only recently been released after being caught with 375lb of cocaine, is also in custody. ”
Both men face jail sentences of up to five years after bestiality was made a Class C felony in Washington State in 2006. This was in response to a local case the previous year in which a 45-year-old man died after having sex with a horse in Enumclaw, Washington. When police searched his property they found hundreds of videos depicting men having sex with horses. ·
To All:
After you have so reduced each British citizen to the category of animal molester, I hope that most of you do not hold your head in shame when things come to light about similar things that are done by your favorite persons who are eminently esteemed in Barbados. Those animal molesting British know more than you think; do not tempt them.
@ ISLANDGIRL246
The evidence is clear , British men are buggering / bulling little boys all over the globe. The public doesn’t need an apology from you , no need to white wash the issue . I am sure the Brits wouldn’t mine bulling you but I guess they prefer little boys.
It must have been a British black man sexually assaulting little school boys in Barbados a few weeks ago.
http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/two-alleged-british-paedophiles-arrested-in-thailand/1cQAE_Ttmc8kthsQHw7AGg
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/15647189
I was surprised that this thread was still active. So, here is a quote and a link that may interest.
“Francisco Manicongo, a cobbler’s apprentice known among the slaves as a sodomite for ‘performing the duties of a female’ and for ‘refusing to wear the men’s clothes which the master gave him.’ Francisco’s accuser added that in Angola and the Congo in which he had wandered much and of which he had much experience, it is customary among the pagan negros to wear a loincloth with the ends in front which leaves an opening in the rear… this custom being adopted by the sodomitic negros who serve as passive women in the abominable sin. These passives are called jimbandaa in the language of Angola and the Congo, which means passive sodomite. The accuser claimed to have seen Francisco Manicongo “wearing a loincloth such as passive sodomites wear in his land of the Congo and immediately rebuked him.” (Denunciations of Bahia, (1591-1593)).
http://www.bidstrup.com/phobiahistory.htm
please note that the posts islandgirl246 does not belong to me islandgal246, just some mischievous Christian hypocrite trying to annoy me.
@ ac | November 13, 2011 at 9:26 PM |:
I will withdraw my “statement” and issue a general apology but only if the initiators of those statements (Caswell et al) apologise to the British people for “the profound statements insensitive to say the least and malicious to the core about the British”.
Fair enough, ac!
PS: If you do issue an apology on behalf of the initiators I will accept the apology on behalf of the Brits and like issue a similar apology to “Bajans which you can accept on their!
Do fuh do ent nuh obeah!
Mr. MLnuki, sorry I took so long to reply to your question about Ham and the curse. To be honest with you ,I really have no idea if they are still cursed today, or indeed what you have identified as that curse.
Are you implying that they are cursed because of their complexion or race? Is skin pigmentation or race a curse according to your beliefs? Not in mine.
Are they cursed through of poverty, or sickness and disease, or their inability to provide for themselves? Who are the modern day descendents of Ham, do you know specifically? I have’nt the faintest idea myself, so please could you enlighten me?
However, I think what is most urgent now is our present world situation. Surely when you look around the world you see all the signs of the beginnings of the end times.
Please don’t do like the ostrich, you become even more vulnerable with you backside exposed.
Dan: 12:4 , read it through again. These prophecies are to be sealed until the times of the end.
It appears that it remained so until fairly recently, and we still don’t have complete understanding yet , but it will be revealed more and more as time gets closer. ” and knowledge shall be increased”. Here we are today in the information age, a real explosion of knowledge, right at your fingertips.
You are obviously a very well read person, so it should’nt be a problem with comprehension , just objectivity. No matter what you might think , as a true Christian person I hope for only the best for you.
Prepare yourself.
Ph.D | November 14, 2011 at 2:55 PM |
Thanks for your sarcastic “underhand” compliment of my wide repertoire of intellectual inquisitiveness; even if a bit promiscuous along the way in my dealings in matters of religion. But be fair PhD, how can you have the guts to query another person’s objectivity. You and Zoe rely solely on a book of plagiarized myths and legends to support your arguments. Your Judeo-Christian book is not the only story book of creation and moral guidance.
As you have totally dismissed the bit advice offered in the quote from the teachings of Buddha regarding what is written in religious books. So much for objectivity, an absolute necessity for any PhD candidate! It is strange that you can accept as gospel the premise that all modern humans are directly descended from the three sons of Noah but deceitfully avoids the notion that the curse imposed by Noah (with blessings of your god) on Ham must still rest with one of the three major branches making up the human race. Is it the European? Is it the Asian? Is it the African? Your book of all–embracing knowledge should be able to shed some light! What is it with you about this book of Daniel “end of-times” prognosis? I thought you would be quoting the book of Revelation as your most recent and reliable source of insights into the return of the gods from the Sky. You are most ungrateful to the Anunnakis! But all will be revealed at the end of the Great Year cycle when changes of biblical proportions reminiscent of the flood in the Noah parable will fulfill the cataclysmic events outlined so vividly in the last chapter of your Story book. Goodnight, little one; say night, night to the dopey bat called Zoe!
Guten nacht kindergartenkind, ich lebe in die welt der produzenten und nicht die verbraucher. Aufstieg aus der landwirtschaftlichen haltung und lernen sie fur sich sorgen, dann können wir ein dialog haben.
Schalft gut.
@Ph.D: “Guten nacht kindergartenkind, ich lebe in die welt der produzenten und nicht die verbraucher.
Interestingly, that translates into “Good night kindergarten child, I live in the world of producers and not consumers.
@ Ph.D | November 14, 2011 at 4:58 PM |
We notice you have mastered the language of the people who have blamed the Adam & Eve descendants for crucifying your Jesus and from whose books you so gullibly quote (Genesis and Daniel and all that old testament).
It only shows that the strategy of resorting to personal attacks when you run short of intellectual firepower is still good on the battlefield! Next step: “Kristallnacht” for the likes of me and then to the Auschwitz gas chambers to silence my lot just like your constant harping of sending us to hell because we refuse to swallow your shit about religion!
@ Christopher Halsall | November 14, 2011 at 5:15 PM |
Thanks, C H, for the exact translation!
Just shows the underlying racist mindset of PhD! Only if he were to produce some original thought we would just be keen to consume his offerings!
@millertheanunnaki: “Thanks, C H, for the exact translation!
Please don’t claim any allegiance with me.
I don’t know you from Adam….
@ Christopher Halsall | November 14, 2011 at 5:26 PM |
You will be surprised how close we have been and even exchange words on 542,0612 times.
Don’t ever deny the women you slept with! Eve has a way of enticing any man she wants; ask Chris (LOL)!
David can you please block or remove postings by islandgirl246 who is attempting to steal my online ID on BU. It is not good taste for impostors be allowed to post.
MLnuki, right now you are so confused you don’t know where to turn. You called me in your previous posts, a fraud, God’s left hand man, now a racist.Make up your mind.
I have defended, and will continue to defend the black race and the Jewish people until I cease to breathe, no apologies to anyone.
All of that paganistic crap that you are ingesting, is like the equivalent of feeding a spicy beef stew to a hungry mule. It only exacerbates his already precarious situation. It does’nt help. The moral indigestion in your case, has now resulted in a verbal spray of diarhhea contaminating your whole being.
Those catacylsmic events you speak of are indeed foretold in my Bible, in great detail. The thing is, Jesus will rapture the church and his followers, while you will still be left behind waiting for your three legged ET (extraterrestrial) to arrive in his UFO.
I will be under the command of the greatest astronaut ever.
I will ask you this, can you provide for me from your paganistic doctrines any text, predictions, prophecy that has successfully foretold events 2000 years later ?
Read Math 24: and see where exactly we are now.
And thank you Mr. Halsall for the correct translation of the German text. It was directed at MLnuki, who resorts to his condescending, sarcastic
and rather puerile ways when he is rattled. He needs a dose of his own medicine.
Auf wiedersehen, bist zum nächsten mal. Take a valium now.
@ Ph.D | November 15, 2011 at 4:44 AM |
Well for sure you are a fraud by calling yourself a doctor of letters!
I take back that accolade of apotheosis. That would mean you have replaced the holy spirit. You are still one of us stoking Satan’s fire for the billions of those you hold no love for because they are not Jewish, black or jesus followers. Isn’t that racist and bigoted? Dismissing the majority of humanity (your god’s creations) just because they are different!
I am into Astronomy not astrology. So I can’t tell you of any predictions that took place 2.000 years ago. But I would swear that this rapture took place in October this year; or was it May? Wasn’t there such a prediction made by a similar religious fraud and bigot?
All religions speak about a beginning and an end of the world. Nothing special about those mentioned in your religious book that clearly contradicts itself from beginning to end!
Only a person of your bigoted and myopic persuasion would dismiss the existence of other life forms in the Universe. Read the book of Ezekiel and you might get a bit of insight into the existence of more technologically advanced beings. But then again you have a very biased and conveniently “selective” mind and would dismiss this book as a pack of lies as you would also do in regard to the Book of Enoch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWwYY4go200 .
So it looks like the Americans are adopting a similar policy of linking financial aid to supporting gay rights. Let the disgusting homophobic vitriol begin anew…
http://www.salon.com/2011/12/07/americas_push_for_global_lgbt_rights/
@ X | December 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM |
All you have to do is to tell them to take their aid(s) and stuff it where the monkey hid the nuts!
Stop begging and no one will force anything up where the sun never shines!
No begging and stay an “X” ! If you beg then be prepared to become an “XY” or”XX” . But beggars can’t be choosers!
Incredible points. Outstanding arguments. Keep up the amazing work.