Each country is entitled to the ‘exclusive’ rights within their 200 mile EXCLUSIVE economic zone. Barbados, Trinidad and Tobago and most other regional states are party to the Law of the Sea Treaties that provide for those rights. Barbados has no right to give the impression that Barbadian fishermen have any right AT ALL to venture into that exclusive zone without penalty. In the EEZ, the coastal state has the sole right of exploitation of the resources contained therein under international law of the sea treaties to which we are all party.
So when fishermen do so, let it be clear that they do so at their own peril. I don’t agree that anyone should be defending it. Unless and until CARICOM has the political will to come up with a Common Fisheries Regime and countries agree on the shared use of common resources (like the sea) Barbadian fishermen need to respect other peoples space.
Flying fish are a migratory fish species and while they spawn in the waters off Barbados, they migrate to the warmer waters off Tobago as they get older. Barbadian fishermen understand that and follow the fish to their habitats, but that happens to be the coastal space of another state and they have no right under any law to do so. They can and will be arrested and noone can fault the Trinis for it except for sensationalism purposes because we have allowed for too many years, the notion to prevail that we went to the Arbitral Tribunal over fishing boundaries when in actual fact that was little more than a secondary issue. More importantly the finding of the tribunal re the fishing issue was that the two countries should come to some common agreement on the matter. So there exists no framework to allow Bajan fishermen into Trinidadian waters.
Flying fish - Wikipedia
It was not too long ago when what appeared to be all of Jamaica dropped like a ton of bricks on Barbados. Not to be left out, Guyana, St. Vincent and other neighbours had a lot say when Barbados sought to enforced its sovereign right to protect its borders.
The recent arrest of Barbadian fisherman by T&T authorities serves to remind us that Barbados finds itself in a very lonely place in Caricom. To present the blunt argument that the Barbadian fishermen perpetrated an illegal act is to be dishonest in the argument. This longstanding T&T/Barbados fishing agreement straddles both BLP and DLP governments and leads one to the conclusion that there is no desire on the part of T&T to close an agreement. There are much bigger fish to fry in a pan which is full of oil.
Of course this is a golden opportunity for the politicos to do what they do best, muddy the waters. The irony in this case is that Barbados has led from the front in pushing CSME under the former Prime Minister. A consequence of our CSME-friendly strategy is that Barbados’ borders became easy to access by all and sundry and there was a huge inflow of T&T investment into Barbados. Most if not all of Barbados ‘Fortune 500’ companies have been acquired by T&T capital. One would have thought that back in the Arthur era was the best time to make a stand by calling T&T to the table to finalize an agreement. In recent days Arthur in one of the few times he has taken a bipartisan position has signalled the BLP opposition is prepared to stand with the government in taking a position against T&T.
Politics does make for strange bedfellows!
yes, there is sufficient evidence to indicate that the previous government did make an effort to find some resolution to the fishing issue with trinidad and tobago without success and which might have led them out of frustratio to take trinidad to the court of arbitration in related matter which did not bring closure to the fishing dispute. so, they failed but we cannot say they did not try. what annoyed me though was mr thompson’s seemingly supportive comments for trinidad’s decision in an interview after the arbitration ruling and his ill advised position of politicising the issue by fulminating on the election platform much to the delight of supporters that the dispute could be solved down consett bay over a bowl of cold soup.also, not too long ago when cornered on down to brasstacks about the situation with the fishing dispute which was his specific mandate as caricom ambassador, mr kellman let it be known that he was getting fish and the dispute was nothing to worry about because fish was plentiful and he had bought 100 fish or some gibberage like that
@Balance
What need to be done to have a resolution?If Trinidad is not interested in having a resolution what can we do? The idea of a fishing agreement is mor than 20 years? Balance your reasoning on what can be done since diplomacy has failed.
desperate times means desperate measures and it is in those times that the chorus for resolve is sung and heard the loudest. the desperation of these fisherman in these hard economics times led them into the waters of T&T which should be enough cause for concern among our people it is not good enough to say that they were wrong even thought they were but it is also equally wrong for the parties involved not to find a solution.I tip my hat to OSA for strongly suggesting that we as a people can send a message to the government of T&T that an agreement on this matter should be finalised and that message can be sent through boycotting of their products.
Arthur is easily playing politics here going into an election year because he knows most Bajans are sick and fedup with this fishing agreement mess and it strikes an emotional chord with them.
The difference between T&T and Barbados is simple, T&T are action people, Barbados is talk people, therefore while we yap and make a noise for seven days, T&T quietly do what they think best until “thy kingdom come.” We bajans will always then be on the recieving end. T&T would buy up Barbados and we bajans will continue to support them, while our fishermen will soon have to get a licence to fish just off the B’town Harbour
David maybe so but a voice and many voices needs to be heard on this issue and that is where we the people would make a difference for in the long run it is the bajans would are going to suffer through the the heavy hands of T&T law it is inevitable that given the severe economic times we are having they will be more fisherman willing to take the risk of fishing in those waters than to go hungry.So far diplomacy has not work and the peoples voices must be heard loud or clear. Agreement or Boycott! BTW it would take more than this issue for OSA to win the election under his adfministration he had a “Bite at the Apple” and failed so let him have his fifteen minutes if it makes a difference that is all that matters rather than risking the lives and fate of our fisherman in the hands of T&T
@ac
It is not that this is the issue which will push the BLP over the top but more about every little issue which gains popularity in what maybe a close election is crucial. It is a pity it has to come down to politics with fishermen being at the shitty end of the stick.
I for one have already started to boycott Trini products. In Bajan parlance “dem trinis cuh guh ta france”
“Ever little issue that gains popularity” Is telling me that the electorate would be voting with the carrot and stick mentality . i hope we as a people have come further than that . Yes david politics is not rationale . it is only about self interest .The lives of our fishermen are in the hands of T&T and the politics of the day is whether or not our government is going to be caught hook line and sinker on this issue before another fisherman is reeled in by the T&T authorities,
The Trinis have shown that they are prepared to take punitive action against wrongdoing by Barbadian fishermen. They should, however, realise that many of their so-called “manufacturers” are chronic breachers of the rules of the Caricom treaty concering origin of their products. Many of the garments entering this country from Trinidad are in fact made in China or other Far Eastern countries and simply re-labelled “Made in Trinidad” in order to benefit from the duty-free status enjoyed within Caricom. This has been brought to the attention of the Barbados authorities, together with concrete evidence. Isn’t it time to have these goods seized and destroyed? The message that the Trinis send to the rest of Caricom is that “We do as we please, and the rest of you do as we please.” It’s time for strong action. Will this government or any other government in Barbados take such action? Nah!
It is simple really.
Keep out of Trinidad’s waters.
I have a Mango tree in my back which bears lovely fruit almost year round. Woe– betide anyone from outside my house that I catch up in my mango tree without my permission.
Trinidad has a right to protect its waters!!!!
Let us balance the equation:
Bajan fishermen keep out of T&T waters + Bajan politicians deliver on promise to consummate a deal with T&T government = Integrity
To david:
Why are you making OSA statement into a political issue. All of us here would agree that Bajans have to stop talking and take punitive action against T&T. I do not see this as any election winning issue for OSA. But how long shall we drink their fruit juices, wear their clothes, sell them our land and businesses with out in any way demonstrating that they are not being good neighbors.When our currency was tottering under OSA, I was in T$T and they refused to take bajan dollars; we had to travel with US dollars. Do we need an “occupy T&T movement” here.
I wish that , in the same vein. Barbados should round up all illegal Trinidadians fishing in Barbados territorial nightclubs and swan street stores and charge and treat them in the same way that our beloved fishermen were treated in Trinidad,
Barbadians must understand that we have to forget about CSME and take care of what is OURS: our poor, differently able persons, sick,elderly and children. We cannot continue to lead the fight for integration when it continues to be clear that like the Federation each man is for his own
@lemuel
Have to be political with OSA because up to now he had not made any statement on th status of a fishing agreement.
@ Carson C. Cadogan | December 7, 2011 at 8:07 AM |
How do you keep the smart monkeys away from the mangoes?
Maybe there is some kind of fraternal agreement: Monkey takes 10% and CCC keeps the rest. Maybe such an agreement can work with the flying fish but with the ratios more evenly split!
To david:
I appreciate you being up front about your non support of OSA and your support of Mia and the DLP, but how can OSA make a statement about the fishing agreement when in his 15 years none was forth coming. Like the DLP, the BLP played the fool with T&T, and we are still at phase 1 of any agreement. T&T have too many “things” going on in Barbados for we to take this sitting down. We need to “occupy” against ALL of T&T things.
@lemmie
The DLP appointed Kellman Caricom Ambassador which proved to be a waste of time. During his tenure what level of accountability did OAS placed on the government and foreign service?
@ lemuel | December 7, 2011 at 8:48 AM |
“Barbados for we to take this sitting down. We need to “occupy” against ALL of T&T things.”
Good talk about standing up for our rights!
But how do we proceed from here? T&T supplies us with fuel, owns and controls the majority of food importation and distribution corporations and a sizable involvement in our financial system, hotel plant and real estate.
Captain Lemuel the seas are rough, tell us what to do to get us out of this economic brig!
To Miller:
It is a good thing I do not think like you. When I talk about “occupy”, I am speaking about the average citizen not supporting their products. You seem to think to a simple boycott is impossible. If we started right now, in two to three weeks T&T would be responding. They may control all you say but they do not control where, when and how any Bajan shop. I have read here where many of you were saying that Britain and the US do not need tourist, but right after 911 when tourist stop going to the US and Britain remember how they bent over (you would like that part) to woo tourists to come back. 300 barrels are coming to Barbados every day form the US; do the maths if you think that is something in this economic plight to sneeze at. This world is too integrated for that macho play by these so called mighty powers and especially T&T who have misspent their oil money and now the economy is running on drug money.
To David:
You know opposition politics too. The opposition normally does little or nothing while waiting to their turn to drink at the political money trough. Your girl Mia was the leader of the her majesty opposition all the time when Kellman was promising and achieving nothing.
@ lemuel | December 7, 2011 at 9:11 AM |
“When I talk about “occupy”, I am speaking about the average citizen not supporting their products.”
Oh yeh! I know what you mean!
Talk cheap! Bajans boycott processed colon cancer causing food and gas for their prized vehicles!
Show me the money!
The day Bajans stop bending over backwards (you too would like that turn of phrase!) and learn to accept some pain arising from the much needed adjustments in their material lifestyles the time would then come for them to put to good use their much vaunted ‘superior’ education.
But we as a people are easily fooled. Our “master/servant” upbringing has conditioned us to be easily exploited and conned. Look how a T&T conman managed to use a local servant boy to trick thousand of Bajans into parting with their hard earned wages!
millertheanunnaki(May2012or is it June2012)
“How do you keep the smart monkeys away from the mangoes?”
I have a shotgun, just like the Trinidadians have a fully armed Coast Guard!!!!
Tell Bajans to keep out of Trinidad’s waters unless they have permission to fish.
I keep telling wunnuh so. West Indian Governments and some of their citizens do not have any good thoughts for Barbados, bajans; and I will always hold true to my approach in life. I will never attempt to friends with people who for whatever reason don’t like me. They can always kiss my a2s.
@ Carson C. Cadogan | December 7, 2011 at 10:12 AM |
Well “shotgun” CCC. I agree that laws must be obeyed. However, if they are proving to be so onerous and at the stark disadvantage of one or more parties then they ought to be changed to reflect fairness or equity.
That is why Bajans voted for this administration to bring about this “level playing field”. Now with two special ambassadors to cook the fish soup at conse(n)t bay and almost 4 years baiting to hook the fish we would have thought that time was longer than the line and this fishy matter would have been one election promise to keep. Or should we wait until after May 2012 (Oh, sorry! the “seethru” man made me do it) June 2012 for the fish to be hooked and landed at ‘Ye Mermaid’s Inn’ in Oistins like the January 1652 no taxation without representation agreement.
Now don’t you go blaming the “seethru” man for the doldrums since he too, like a drunken sailor, is shouting to Man Friday “land ahoy! land ahoy”!
So CCC, when will the bell be rung, or should we say the “shotgun” fired? January 2012? Or are you throwing the fishing line 200 miles out to sea hoping to bring home the fishy “bacon” to land at Brandons in January 2013- if we are still here!
All I am saying is that Bajan fishermen have to respect Trinidad’s waters.
Far too many Bajans feel that because they can break laws here in Barbados and get away with it that they can do the same in Trinidad waters. Unlucky for them the Trinidadians are determined to enforce their laws. I tip my hat to them.
Let me also say that those fishermen are are lucky. They could have been cut to ribbons by bullets from the the machine guns of the Trinidad Coast Guard.
There is no fishing agreement so keep to hell out of Trinidadian waters.
After the last administration won their case at the Court of Arbitration in England they were told by Judges to quickly conclude a fishing agreement with Trinidad. They failed to do so. I guess Owen”seethru”Arthur had better thing to do with his time. Hence the current situation.
http://www.pca-cpa.org/upload/files/Final%20Award.pdf
Here comes the political hogwash.
Tell the fishermen to keep out of T&T waters but who the hell tells the BLP and DLP we are tired of the political opportunism which the fishing agreement has been used? We are just so tired of the BS.
Here it is the T&T government is playing the ass on this matter for years and instead of focusing on removing the politics we heap bullshite on the fishermen. In the same way fishermen should keep out of T&T waters so too our politicians should stop playing the ass with the people.
Whether you like or not they is no fishing agreement between Barbados and Trinidad.
Bajans caught fishing in Trinidad waters are breaking Trinidad laws and the Trinidadians have a duty to enforce their laws.
Plain and simple!!!!
If the Barbados Labour Party had done their duty then this would not still be an issue today.
Look at who represented Barbados in London at the Court Of arbitration:-
The Hon. Mia Amor Mottley QC, Deputy Prime Minister, Attorney General and Minister Of Home affairs, Agent for Barbados.
Mr. Robert Volterra, co-agent, Counsel and Advocate, Latham & Watkins
Professor Sir Elihu Lauterpacht CBE QC, Counsel and Advocate
Professor Michael Reisman, Counsel and Advocate
Mr. Jon Paulsson, Counsel and Advocate
Sir Henry Forde QC, Counsel and Advocate
Mr. Stephen Fietta, Counsel and Advocate
Mr. Adrian Cummins QC Counsel and Advocate
Dr. David Berry Counsel
Ms. Megan Addis, Counsel and Advocate
Mr. Francois Jackman Senior Foreign Services Officer
Mr. Tyrone Brathwaite, Foreign Service Officer
Mr. Christopher Parker, Fisheries Biologist
Ms. Angela Watson President of Barbados Association of Fisherfolk, Fisherman/Boat owner
Mr. Anderson Kinch, Fisherman/Boat owner
Mr. Oscar Price, Latham $ Watkins
Mr. Dick Gent, UK Hydrographic Office
Ms. Michelle Pratley, asst. Latham $ Watkins
Ms. Claudina Vranken, Lathan $ Watkins
Mr. Edwin Pollard, High Commissioner for Barbados in London
Once I see Henry in there I know that this lot cost Barbados a pretty penny.
Could not the stupid Barbados Labour Party have use this same team to negotiate with the Trinidadians for a fishing agreement? They were successful before I am sure that they would have been successful again.
@ Carson C. Cadogan | December 7, 2011 at 11:31 AM
CCC, why are you so political purblind? We beg you not to put the blame solely on the doorsteps of the old brigand. There is something called “continuity of government” which this administration should adhere to as in the case of the Barrack debt. Both parties have taken the fisher folks for a far out swim with no life buoy in sight.
So you nemesis “seethru” was incapable of striking an agreement! But then we were in forex heaven and could shortsightedly and stupidly import “mock” fish from over and away even as far China.
So what about the bowl of soup hogwash and kellmonomics arrogant dismissal of the interests of those fisher folks who really took the words and promises of those politicians to heart? Why can’t you too haul T&T over the coals for dragging their feet regarding the CCJ? Don’t you think this is the biggest paradox of the CSME fiasco making that project look like the laughing stock of Jurisprudence?
But these are poor folks and don’t possess law degrees so the CSME facility is not for them. But trust us, these same simple folks will be the saviours of this place in the coming years. Remember, these people can feed themselves and don’t require much to survive.
Go ahead and deprecate them and wish that the bullets cut them into pieces. But death from starvation is a slow and painful process to endure. All we have is sea water and sand (and your mangoes to raid, of course, lol)!
@David
Your frustration is understandable. However, if you and BU readers are practical, you would realise that under successive governments, Barbados has indeed taken the task to T & T. If you read the intervention made by John Williams, you would see first-hand that the buck realistically stops with T & T. In fact, if you see the situation from their eyes, you too may see that it is a long record of gamesmanship predicated on the standard in international relations of self-interest and zero-sum politics. Barbados needs to approach this agreement fiasco, not from one of expecting an easy agreement, but from the position that we too have some geopolitical and market bargaining chips that we SHALL use if the situation necessitates such — I think it does.
All of you who want to encourage Bajan fishermen to go and fish in Trinidad waters are putting the lives of the said fishermen at risk.
@George
Yes indeed we are frustrated.
Just imagine how the fisherfolk feel huh?
Agree with you we have geopolitical clout and we should stop talking and use it. This is not about the fisherfolk any longer bit about T&T laughing at our half baked politicians.
millertheanunnaki
“(and your mangoes to raid, of course, lol)!”
“ef i ketch yuh in muh manga tree, it gine be me an” you”
“This is not about the fisherfolk any longer bit about T&T laughing at our half baked politicians.”
Starting with Owen”seethru”Arthur!!!!!!
I still can not understand why you are frustrated.
Trinidad is the only country whose waters contains fish?
Why don’t the Vincentians, St. Lucians, Guyanese, Dominicans, Grenadians, Antiguans have this problem?
Have you ever stop to analyse this situation?
What about the waters to the East of Barbados?
Besides flying fish why do Bajan fishermen have this fixation with Trinidadian waters?
There is no where else that they can fish?
I just don’t get it, there is a whole big Ocean out there with fish, no one told the Bajan fishermen that as yet?
How come the Japanese and Taiwanese fishermen can catch so much fish from Caribbean waters and not Bajan Fishermen?
What is this saying?
@ George C. Brathwaite | December 7, 2011 at 12:11 PM |
“…that we too have some geopolitical and market bargaining chips that we SHALL use if the situation necessitates such — I think it does.”
By George, this is very serious business! Nothing to go fishing about!
It is felt that T&T perceives this administration as currently very vulnerable economically and financially. Given the recent uncalled for and unfair tongue lashings received from fellow CSME members and ensuing diplomatic gaffes Barbados needs to be more assertive and demand better treatment and greater respect from those that have benefited from our charity and open door policy. Very little was put in the path of T&T in taking over the commanding heights of this economy thanks to the selfish and myopic greed of the local traditional business oligarchy, and greasy palms of the political and bureaucratic directorate. The average Bajan does not deserve this kind of treatment.
So George, tell us what is the value of those chips or aces in the hole that we can hold unto waiting for the fish & chips casino talk shop to open!
I do not know why people are calling Owen seymour Arthur’s name here. When I review the sequence of events, the only person I see up front and center is Mia Amor Mottley, as head of the expensive team which cost Barbadsos about 2 million dollars and Leader of the Opposition when Kellman was trying his best to get an agreement. She, Mia, is personal friends with Kamla Pm T&T ( they does drink rum together) why doesn’t she use her potential prime ministerial charms and skills to get this agreement in place. I shall not place one fault at the door of the DLP. If Kamla does “smoke” too then let them break out the peace chalice. And cause some buds to crackle.
To Miller:
do not get a heart attack this whole situation is caught between foolishness and callous political stupidity.
Let me ask, can Bajan fishermen fish anywhere else other than in Trinidadian waters?
Do Bajan Fishermen have a God given right to fish in Trinidadian waters?
@lemuel
The Mia led team was about marking previously disputed boundaries to pave the way for oil exploration. A fishing agreement was secondary.
Don’t you think the geopolitical clout which George refers would have been better utilized when our economy was in boom mode?
@ Carson C. Cadogan | December 7, 2011 at 12:27 PM
You think I am so blind drunk as to climb your mango tree! The reason why the monkeys or neighbours don’t raid the tree is because they are as “sour” as green gooseberries or tamarinds. We prefer islandgirl “sweet-sweet” mangoes But there is a man that can act as a decoy if we had any plans of raiding your mangoes. Bring along “seethru” and leave him outside your house. You would assume that he is in the usual inebriated state! While you are ranting and raving and blaming him for every problem in Bim under the Sun we will train a few of the young monkeys found in george street to climb the tree and pick the mangoes. We give them 50% of the pickings and we keep 50% to give to the hungry fisher folks you want to send to the rough and choppy waters of the Atlantic Ocean.
But here is a profitable investment idea for the NIS. Invest our money in some sophisticated fishing trawlers to ply the Atlantic while at the same time engaging the CSME facilitated services of the T&T Coast Guard to machine gun the Japanese and Taiwanese (can’t touch the Chinese) for the blatant violation of our rights and gross over exploitation of our fish resources found within our 200 miles economic zone.
To David:
Sometimes, it seems as if straining to be wise and seen as very very bright, George talks a lot of foolishness. We have something T&T have, not the other way around. If ,as we have done, we allow them to buy every thing in sight, where is this clout or can this thing be better describe as a fluff. The only thing we may have is the potential access to T&T oil fields through the sea. We just need to ban doing business with them a the retail end so that the frighten politician and still go there and break brad and blame us common folk. I am not buying anything made in T&T.
millertheanunnaki
“But here is a profitable investment idea for the NIS. Invest our money in some sophisticated fishing trawlers to ply the Atlantic”
Lord have mercy!!!!!!
I can’t believe you said that. From the time you started writing on this blog until now, this is most important thing that you have ever said.
Bravo!!!!
That is the point that I was slowly getting to.
I tip my hat to you.
Not only the Atlantic but elsewhere as well. Lobby the Banks in Barbados to make funds available to the fisher folk to invest in bigger, better equip boats, where the Caribbean waters is their fishing ground. Where they can fish without interference.
To Carson cadogan:
I would agree to NIS funds invested to allow fisher folk to upgrade their fishing capacity rather than the four seasons project. When the BLP and DLP done destroy this country, these fisher folk shall feed us. I f you do not eat fish you better start.
By now the same Fisherfolk Assoc. should own two or three large vessels that can stay out to sea for two weeks or more.
Instead of having everyone owning a little “moses” fishermen should join together and purchase larger vessels and as shareholders whatever profits the vessels make will be divided between them.
A $50millon loan to the fisher folk would make a hell of a difference.
But you see they have never asked for a loan. They are all happy with their little “moses” and being caught by the Trinidadians, they have not yet learned to think outside the box.
We would not even need four seasons!!!!!
A vibrant fishing industry in Barbados would have tremendous spin offs. Not to mention employment.
Instead of depending so much on Tourism, the economy would have another important leg to stand on.
We could export fish to the world!
There is nothing logical or rational in politics and sometimes it is necessaryv for us the people to the politicians way so theyu can followv as in this case nothing has been agreed upon because we have been too silent.
@ lemuel | December 7, 2011 at 12:48 PM |
Heart attack! Very unlikely when one is having great laughs and CCC & Co! Like the people from the land of the rising Sun I eat loads of fish (some of it a bit “salty” but a good slice of aloes and a little rum with ginger take away the potential pressure). But then again you are an orthodox man when it comes to “eating”. Hormone laced chicken in the open but bully beef hindquarters in the closet.
But why you want Mia to talk to Kamla? Knowing you, the next minute you would be in the “scissors” position trying to insert two female plugs in the ac/dc outlets to spread your electrifying propaganda. Why should Mia fork up ground to let washed-up electioneering monkeys run over it! The CSME guru is the best man for the T&T fishing expedition. Let us see if he could win friends and influence people instead of wrestling buxom lasses to ground in order to overthrow a queen bee.
What do you say, defender of the faith (aka Lemmie Joseph Goebbels the OSA gopher)?
All a fishing agreement might do is to further strengthen Trinidad’s strangle hold on Barbados.
We might as well become a Colony of Trinidad.
@Lemuel
You wrote: “Sometimes, it seems as if straining to be wise and seen as very very bright, George talks a lot of foolishness.”
Why do you not deal with the issue on the table; see if you can rack your brain to come up with alternatives or some solutions for the fisherfolk. Why attempt to come after me with nonsensical streams of envy. I have merely acted upon what the builders of Barbados gave me as a cherished gift — enhanced possibilities through education — not by kissing ass. Now go your way and know your place. In fact, better yet, go and read the Book of Solomon and you may come to the realisation that it is not a bad thing to try to strive for wisdom, not that it is an accurate sense of my ambitions. Let me talk my foolishness, that is choice in a democracy.
Carson C. Cadogan | December 7, 2011 at 1:38 PM |
“But you see they have never asked for a loan. They are all happy with their little “moses” and being caught by the Trinidadians, they have not yet learned to think outside the box.”
But why do you come down so heavily on these poor fisher folks? These are just simple but enterprising and adventurous hard working people with a basic education but who made the untold sacrifices of sending and supporting others to go to university or indirectly through huge contribution to the educational financing pot in the Treasury.
Don’t you think it is the responsibility of those who have benefited from these financial and other contributions (especially those with the finance and business training) to step up to the bow of the fishing boat, take charge of the managerial helm, look towards the Eastern horizon and launch a new dawn of maritime business opportunities and ventures?
Boy, to get a compliment from CCC instead of a May or June 2012 anti DLP bashing is like shaking the hands of Jesus or Peter at the Pearly gates, most likely.
Thanks anyway! But go over my blogs and you will identify pearls of suggestions for a more viable Bim in order to survive the coming new age of economic and social realities. The new APD will become the pad on which tourist numbers from the UK will fall on. As the children of the UK Diaspora return home and die out this source of sterling forex will dry up along with the tourists numbers who like the flying fish will migrate not to T&T waters but to exotic Cuban shores.
Here is another pearl of investment wisdom that has been thrown among the importation & retailing swine. What about serious investment in solar and East Coast wind energy projects! Why wait on a gas pipeline from T&T which can put another ro(p)e of dependency around our necks? You see those Cave Hill campus buildings, Warrens NIS financed new office buildings and even Kensington Oval, let them be crowned with solar panels paying homage to the Creator while at the same time generating energy to provide for their own needs but off-loading the excess into the national grid to cut down our dependence on T&T second grade fuels and potential holding up to ransom by shady oil dealers/gamblers and environmentally risky and suspect foreign-owned shipping companies. Polluted beaches mean no tourism or what little will be left of it after APD & bankrupt AA.
millertheanunnaki
For reasons yet to be known to me, there don’t seem to be the will in Barbados’ private and public sectors to break free of the Trinidadian yolk.
We appear to be to be constantly taking initiatives which will make us, not less, but more dependent on Trinidad.
Not having a fishing agreement with Trinidad might not be a bad thing if viewed properly.
The fishing industry might be the only industry not taken over by Trinidadians If we move quickly to continue to make it our own.
Now you people see what is missing from the CSME puzzle?
@All… If I may…
If you go to T&T, you will observe that there are almost no solar water heaters on the homes and business. And yet Trinidad is ~10 degrees above the equator while Barbados is ~13.2 degrees. Empirical evidence.
So why doesn’t Trinidad use solar water heaters? Because T&T happen to find themselves blessed with oil reserves within their territorial boundaries.
And so they give their people energy (artificially) cheaper than what can be derived from the sun using flat panels to heat water.
I suspect that T&T are actually breaking WTO rules by doing this. And it might make more sense to sell all the oil on the open market than discounting it to their citizens and businesses.
But, hey. Because of where they happen to find themselves, they can buy up Bajan enterprises…
And so the question then becomes: What do the Bajans do in response?
(Hint: It might involve our brains, rather than illegally fishing.)
“What about serious investment in solar and East Coast wind energy projects!”
I can’t believe this, the rain is going to fall today. We seem to be on the page.
I agree with everything you say there.
The government should allow the duty free, vat free, importation of solar panels and wind turbines for household use. Taxpayers should also be given the opportunity to claim back the cost of them on their income forms as is done with solar water heaters.
Enuff
Let me make it quiet plain, I am completely oppose to CSME
@CCC: “Let me make it quiet plain, I am completely oppose to CSME.
Could you please explain why?
I’m sincerely interested.
To miller:
I just love that piece and I had a hearty laugh. If you insist I shall defend see thru OSA to the hilt, but how do you see me fitting in between Mia and Kamla, especially when Kamla drunk; I hear she does wine real bad bad.
To carson cadogan:
I have to agree with you the fisher folk have to look beyond their little moses and seriously upgrade, and it will have a major impact on the economy.
To George Brathwaite:
I sat here and read someone indicating that your thesis (which by the way should be an educated guess) is about nothing in the world of nothingness, and I was a bit sad. But you have clearly demonstrated in your piece why that person’s assessment of you is obviously correct. And the sad thing about it is that you are no a bright spark, so be very careful whose tail you pull. About the envy, as a magistrate once told a man who put someone in court for slandering and defaming his name, the magistrate said to him he must first get an unsullied name. Given what I have seen from your pen brother George there is not much to envy or emulate.
@ Carson C. Cadogan | December 7, 2011 at 4:13 PM |
We trust you also agree that the leaders/elite in both parties are in the pockets of vested interest groups who don’t want to see Barbados moving away from this commercial stranglehold of importing and retailing with little risks or effort for the easy profits raped from a captive market.
Now here you go off page, singing from a different hymn sheet! Too good to last! But it was sweet while it lasted. One felt as if in heaven! Putting paid to the old 1971 slogan: “how long is too long when it’s good”!
There is nothing in CSME for Barbados.
We have not benefited in any way from CSME. Even free travel does not work for Bajans.
I know of Bajans who were educated at UWI yet Immigration officers in Trinidad gave them limited times to remain in Trinidad.
Trinidad see Barbados as one big Supermarket.
@millertheanunnaki: “We trust you also agree that the leaders/elite in both parties are in the pockets of vested interest groups who don’t want to see Barbados moving away from this commercial stranglehold of importing and retailing with little risks or effort for the easy profits raped from a captive market.
That is a non-zero probably based on the empirical evidence.
@CCC: “Trinidad see Barbados as one big Supermarket.
Indeed.
Who can name a Supermarket here in Barbados owned by Bajans?
SuperCentre. Trident. PriceSmart…
Why do we Bajans buy our food from foreigners?
(It’s a trick question, but the answer is informative.)
the opposition leader especially in the light of his snake-in-the grass like behaviour evident in recent times is n favourite of mine but to dismiss his pledge of support to the govt in the fishing dispute as political posturing is speculative and therefore unfair.
Who de hell cares what Trinidad sees Barbados as, Right now the problem is how can the fishing agreement be solved and what actions the Bajans would take in forcing the government of T&T to finalise an agreement or are we waiting till a couple more fisherman are held and be sentenced to an unprecedented amount time in jail for catching fishing before something is done. You people taking this one upmanship by Trinidad for sport but Trinidad is not going to budge until “WE” the people let them know that we are serious and will boycott their products. All this political BS not going to help people lives and livelihoods are at stake the fisherman deserves better and i am certain we can show real support towards them. . .
PM Stuart flexed his muscles in the Redjet Barbados/T&T matter why not do same here?
@Miller
Sir Harold St. John was tasked eith the repsonsibility of having a fishing agreement. Do You Have any recollection of that? Owen and Mia fooled Barbadians that we needed international intervention to have a solutions, they wasted a lot of money and after 14yrs of the BLP rules, where did we reach with the fishing agreement?
If we would stop this partisan foolishness and recognize that Trinidad nationalism takes precedence over everythin,g then we would develop Barbadain nationaslism too and deport the illegal Trinidadians from our shores as a start as Barbados land is we teritorry too.
@ Christopher Halsall | December 7, 2011 at 4:55 PM |
“Who can name a Supermarket here in Barbados owned by Bajans?”
Bajans can show their disgust by boycotting T&T owned supermarkets and buy from the Proper Pork man supermarkets.
But unfortunately, many of the food brands Bajans like are controlled by the same T&T controlled import & distributive sector.
But things can change if only government can free up the market and importation process to allow true competition to take real root.
@lemuel
Your clairvoyance is startling and interesting. I still feel somewhat relieved that you or the individual that you choose to follow have absolutely nothing to do with my success or failure in presenting a body of research that is ‘original’ and ‘publishable’. Amen to persons of your kind!
Now, since you are done with me, would you please offer some sensible solutions to the fisherfolk of Barbados. They need all the support and help that they can get so they can ultimately feed the rest of us in Barbados whilst at the same time paying their bills and taking care of their families. Is that too much for a brilliant person like yourself to achieve or do you see that as draped in the misery you seem to have perplexed your soul when thinking of the nothingness that I write?
@ undeucated | December 7, 2011 at 5:55 PM |
“If we would stop this partisan foolishness and recognize that Trinidad nationalism takes precedence over everything then we would develop Barbadian nationalism too and deport the illegal Trinidadians from our shores as a start as Barbados land is we territory too.”
Are you recommending compulsory acquisition of Trinidadian owned strategic assets in Bim? Trinidad did it in the 1970′s under Eric Williams!
Make your position clear on this one! Stop pussyfooting on this one!
I have a Guyanese friend who goes fishing with her son in law on his trawler. I asked her if they have had any problems with the Venezuelan coast Guard because I know that the Venezuelan Coast Guard shoot first and then ask questions. Ask any Trini fisherman about them. She told me that they fish in Venezuela’s waters and have never had problems with their coast guard. She said that they keep several bottles of Johnny Walkers black label , some cartons of cigarettes and beautiful pieces of fabric. She said that when the coast guard comes next to them they greet them and offer them some bottles of whiskey and cigarettes. the coast guard accepts the gifts and go on their merry way leaving my friend and the crew to continue fishing. She told me that when they want to buy fuel they buy it from the indigenous people along the coast who would come along in their canoes with large containers of fuel. Now this is illegal in Chavez land but everybody has to make a living however they can. The fabric is for the wives of the men who own the canoes.
Now tell me who is smarter at fishing?
The issue here should not be only seen as what’s right or Wrong. as there is no disputing that. seeing that T&T has the right to wheel whatever justice necessary to protect its water should be of utmost concern to Barbadians who have the best interest of their fellowmen at heart. it is only a matter of time before another occurrence happens and by law T&T have every right maybe use of a shotgun to protect its water. we bajans are too lackadaisical and always waiting for the last moment to do things.
@undeucated…
I understand you’re taking the piss… But just for the record…
Bajans are given access to free education, up to university Bachelor degrees.
Let me guess — you have a BS in Political Science? Or perhaps Anthropology? Creative Writing? Quantum Mechanics?
So de onliest place in de caribbean dat got flying fish is Trinbago?
I ent nuh marine biologist but effin duh got flyin fish in udda waters we could mek an agreement an fish someway else. Dominica? st.Lucia?
Jus tinkin on undaneat de box.
Hi barbados when you all going to wake up from the 20years of slumber of becoming the doormat of the carribbean. What you all waiting for. Everybody got they own interest and would die to protect it . what you all willinging to die for. it is obvious nothing. but by the time you wake up the barn house would be smoke and ashes and absolutely nothing to live for.
Have to endorse CCC stance Bajan fishermen ought not go fishing in TnT waters. If the shoe was on the other foot we would be pissing mad if the Trinis illegally fished in our waters. What stuns me is the fishermen reported they caught 250 flying fish . Why in God’s name would you use up hundreds of dollars in fuel not to mention risk your life to go to Tobago to catch a few flying fish. Barbados has no leverage on Trinidad so there will not be a fishing agreement anytime soon if ever. The Trinis hold the aces the only thing they would like to swap with us are murder rates.
Barbados should try to outflank the Trinis by robustly going after the oil the Norwegian geologists claim is within our maritime boundaries. Start extracting that black gold and see how fast fishing or any agreement would come.
I cannot support Bajan fisherman going into another man’s territory and breaking their laws after all we deport Guyanese for doing it here. Fishermen must get into another profession if they cant catch fish in the hundreds of miles of ocean that make up Barbados’ territorial waters.
Flying fish and cou cou
Amen.
Islandgal246
I guess you have no idea of the cost of a bottle of Black Label in Barbados.
@flying Fish’
What a defeatist attitude. For a country to be great it must take a stand and defend itself Right or wrong, ! What barbados must do is not roll over and play dead just because its opponets might have more aces.No matter how many shoes you wear it is always the one that feels the most comfortable you prefer and right now Barbados feet are really hurting because of a lack of an agreement. Our bargaining chip is spending power and money goes along way towards the upkeep of an economy and T&T knows that !Another point you made is that of asking “Why would the fisherman take the risk ” well it doesn’t take a genius to figure that out and the answer should be obvious. that alone should tell you the importance of having a resolution to this 20year problem.
Trinidad is not interested in settling the fishing dispute as long as Barbados continues to be a profit centre for Trinidad companies.
Barbadian fishermen should stay away from Trinbago. Bajans can learn to Salmon and Tilapia.
I think Bajan fisher folk have to give the flying fish a chance to re-establish stocks to a sustainable level. Overfishing, reduced food sources and breeding environment (regional seaweed and drift wood) along with massive pollution caused by reefs erosion, plastic and chemical dumping have depleted stocks. The fish have now grown accustomed to the Bajan fishing tactics with their noisy polluting diesel engines and have probably retreated to safer waters for their own survival.
Time to look East and acquire a taste for more exotic catches before the Taiwanese and Japanese trawlers deplete the Atlantic reserves.
Carson Cadogan what about some Mount Gay Old Gold instead of Johnny Walker? I agree with you for once that the Bajan fishermen have no right fishing in TNT waters. They should form a company and register it in Trinidad to be able to operate there. There are many ways to skin a cat you know. Or they should register their boats there like many others who do that. Now if they refuse we will know how to go about fighting that under the treaty of Chaguaramas.
Can we agree that illegal Caricom citizens have no right in Barbados but it did not stop all and sundry from braying foul when Barbados tried to enforce its sovereign right to protect its borders. What an unfair and hypocritical world we live in.
The difference David is that many of the illegals came here legally and overstayed. The fishermen entered TnT illegally. My mango tree ain’t yours and you will get some when I and if I offer. If you ask and I refuse doan get vex……because dem ain’t yours!
Islandgal does it matter if they entered legally if the end result is that they are illegal?
Just asking!
Anyone overstaying their time should be deported when caught!
… no action.
- still gotta eat we icecream from chefette
- still gotta drink we soda from chefette
- man stop at de talk – we germany and you greece
the point that the Bajans should not be fishing in TT waters is Mute Everbody knows that.However what people seem to be overlooking is the fact That people when they need to survive are going to take RISK and that is where governments must play an important role in overseeing and implementing laws or agreements that would be beneficial to those involved.As of now only T&T benefits and they are at liberty to protect their waters by any means necessary! Even for one to protect their property the law only gives one a certain amount of leverage to do so after which charges or disputes are settled in the court
Islandgal246
If they want to form a company and register it in Trinidad maybe I can help.
I have a Trinidad daughter who could regester it them under her name.
Bajans have always been a smart people, we have to know when we are butting our heads against a stone wall.
Cou cou and salmon is not so bad, I eat it all the time.
I have a Trinidad daughter who could regester it them under her name.
Carson so you like Trini meat nuh and you plant a seed and it growing there.
If the Trinis read the contributions to this blog, they know that they are safe, and must be laughing. Talk – just bare talk. Bajans will never organise a backlash. They will keep on piling up the shopping carts with Trinidadian goods, legal and illegal. Rafterall, there’s a reggae concert to go to this weekend. Steupse!
@ all ya baje just talk… | December 8, 2011 at 5:50 AM |
“… no action.
- still gotta eat we icecream from chefette
- still gotta drink we soda from chefette
- man stop at de talk – we germany and you greece ”
Hi Trini,
Got to agree with ya here! Baje is bare boo when it comes to action. Looka clico gone away so so so! Soon loads of files will go missing!
But Trickidadian, I gine got to put back me rice in de pot wid ya meat and let ya have the whole kit and caboodle!
To George Brathwaite:
Now George do not attempt to fool us ordinary folk here with your research skills. Your work has to represent some aspect of a broader issue which was not pursued by or in detail by other researchers. Then if that is true, your claim to the originality of your work can be called into question. I am also amused by the perspicacity that your have labelled me with. And if your had gotten beyond my little bit of opinion on your voracious ability to produce loads of convoluted verbal pretensions, you would have seen me agreeing with Carson about the need for the fisher folk to upgrade their capacity to fish with the utilization of NIS funds. But I understand your need to cherish and nurture that wounded ego of yours. No George, I do not dislike you in any way, but I shall have my opinion.
@ lemuel | December 8, 2011 at 8:28 AM |
“Then if that is true, your claim to the originality of your work can be called into question.”
“you would have seen me agreeing with Carson about the need for the fisher folk to upgrade their capacity to fish with the utilization of NIS funds.”
These two statements are in contradiction with each other!
This idea or proposal was not CCC’s first stated delivery. He might have been early pregnant with the idea but his gestation period was too long like an elephant. Check and see who is the first to deposit to the new ideas bank for the restructuring of this lumbering economy! And there are many more to come only if you would open your front door to accept the enlightenment and not remain to the back fighting a rear guard battle of futile political skirmishes with uneducated, poor class, business man and company time wasters while backing moralists and “bible thumpers” with 19th Century views.
To Miller:
Let say a thousand pardons for attributing your ideas to another. How believing in extraterrestrial beings as the source of man’s enlightenment will never fly with me. I have supped at the fountain of eternal wisdom, and what is prancing around pretending to be genuine wisdom is no more than man’s wisdom emanating from the pagan philosophers to the so called christian philosophers to the age of reason to your time of metaphysics and mysticism. All of the above efforts were simply to deny God as the rightful owner through creation of this earth. Sorry but I can not join ou on that journey of apostasy.
ac says: “we as a people can send a message to the government of T&T that an agreement on this matter should be finalised and that message can be sent through boycotting of their products”.
ac says: “Agreement or Boycott!”
bk says: “I for one have already started to boycott Trini products”.
lemuel says: “You seem to think to a simple boycott is impossible. If we started right now, in two to three weeks T&T would be responding”.
ac says: “Trinidad is not going to budge until “WE” the people let them know that we are serious and will boycott their products”.
millertheanunnaki says: “Bajans can show their disgust by boycotting T&T owned supermarkets and buy from the Proper Pork man supermarkets”.
At current prices and at purchasing-power parity, Barbados accounts for about 0.347 percent of Trinidad’s global exports.
Right. Let’s boycott them. That’ll really bring Trinidad to its knees. Excellent thinking. Brilliant.
Gupier,
Is you serious?
@ lemuel | December 8, 2011 at 2:02 PM |
Before you debunk the possibility that the god(s) of your Book of Genesis were extraterrestrial beings of super advanced knowledge and technology you better do a bit more research.
But then again asking you who or what made Adam and Eve is like asking you to criticise OSA. Blind faith in all matters! Even your Mother Church along with her direct or immediate offspring are coming around to the realisation that there are other life forms in the expansive universe just waiting to uplift us from our barbarity. What prevails here on Earth is but a grain of sand to what takes place in the grand scheme of things. ‘Those from heaven came’ (the Nephilims) would enlighten you as they did with the old legendary characters of Abraham, Noah, Moses, Elijah, Ezekiel and others (including Yeshua or YH-Zeus)
When one follows the orders of Melchizedek one would understand that enlightenment is the path to salvation. Lemmie, think upon these things and find out about your Jesus’ teacher Melchizedek to really understand “Christ’s” genuine philosophical underpinnings. Then you will be able to stand up for our rights and boycott T&T made goods. We don’t need them. We survived without them up to the 1980’s and we can do without them in 2012. Upscale solar and wind technology and import our vehicle fuel needs from Venezuela, and soon to be, Brasil and Cuba. We have been tricked big time with your man OSA being a major accessory to the conspiracy. We should have remained a “singular” (not “insular”) country without this nonsense of having to bend over backwards to please those who abuse our softness (you would like the “bending over backwards position” analogy!).
“At current prices and at purchasing-power parity, Barbados accounts for about 0.347 percent of Trinidad’s global exports.”
We see where you are going and we can follow your solid line of argument. But let’s deal with mangoes and mangoes!
Trinidad’s consumer goods exports have very little ‘global’ impact outside of Caricom, even with the “repackaged” Chinese made goods.
Remove the oil & chemicals exports from the analysis and recalculate! Then we can follow clearly your path of subservience.
millertheanunnaki says: “We see where you are going”.
No. You don’t.
Let me tell you, miller, how SICK these WOMEN are. Some of them are so SICK …
Tanned Dude Who Reads | December 8, 2011 at 5:33 PM |
It’s time to stop playing “mirror, mirror on the wall”!
And Mr. boringname avers:
It’s time to stop playing “mirror, mirror on the wall! He even includes the exclamation (!) beloved of tools worldwide. Bless!
No. It isn’t.
We clear hear? Heah??!!
No. Mr. Miller
offtopic
People in Barbados often ask why when civil servants see things going wrong they don’t say anything about it.
Here is why:-
“Whistleblower evicted from her home”
Dismissed Government worker LeYoni Junos said she has been left with nowhere to go after a team of contractors armed with a bank possession order emptied her house.
Ms Junos arrived home at her the Middle Road, Warwick residence to find workmen loading the contents of the house onto trucks.
Four truckloads of her possessions, they said, had already been taken away to the Tynes Bay Incinerator.
http://www.royalgazette.com/article/20111208/NEWS/712089950
Speak up, what happens?
you loose your job
you loose your home
your possessions get sent to the incinerator to be destroyed!
Moral of the story, keep your blinking mouth shut.
Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.
@ Tanned Dude Who Reads | December 8, 2011 at 5:55 PM |
“Let me tell you, miller, how SICK these WOMEN are. Some of them are so SICK…”
How does that sound to the average reader? Very misogynistic to the observant!
Contribute something meaningful to the blog and we will indulge you in your punctilious, schoolmarmish nit-picking asininity. Maybe you might just meet the required standard of intelligence required for any meaningful interaction to take place!
@ Carson C. Cadogan | December 8, 2011 at 5:56 PM |
January 16,2008 marked the end of any such things happening in Bim!
Do you know of any cases of victimisation since then?
That was rampant under the BLP.
Until the people got wise and “skin out” the BLP.
It seems to be alive and thriving in Bermuda. The people there will have to make a decision about the current G’ovt there and remove them when the right time comes.
They will be following Barbados’ fine example.
Why should T&T try to kill bajans for fishing in their waters, when Japan has been doing it for years. The Japanese fleet comes here in the caribbean waters with their “mother ship”, which is really a factory itself and about twenty trawlers, and scrap the ocean with miles amd miles of fishing line. Many timews our our fishermen have had to jump into the ocean and cut their line fron entangled in the boat’s propeller. This is like telling your visitor have a meal with me but refusing to feed your our brother. When is Caricom in all this?
Anytime a country meets the point where sick-out, stricks and lay-offs become frequent, that government, whichever it is, is treading on dangerous grounds. The retaining of the extra 2.5% VAT will future hurt the present government, they would need to ignore the IMF and remove it when promised.
SCOUT
If it is one person in this whole universe that the DLP don’t need advice from, that person is you.
SCOUT
Keep your advice for your friends in the Barbados Labour Party they need it.
Three years now and they have not put forward a single credible alternative to anything that is going on in Barbados.
Pathetic lot.
SCOUT
What prevents Bajan fishermen from owning a “mother ship” and having about “twenty trawlers” feeding it?
Carson C. Cadogan | December 8, 2011 at 8:00 PM |
“Until the people got wise and “skin out” the BLP.”
You are very right with this “wising up” of the people. The BLP felt the wrath of the people in 2008.
Bu there is an old maxim;: Be as gentle as a dove but also as wise as a serpent!
The word on the ground is that the cobra is heading towards george street and will inflict the deadly venom to those asleep on the job. You might need a snake charmer to lead it towards roebuck street. Who calling? Is that you CCC, look ma hay, love!
OFFTOPIC
“Former Turks and Caicos ministers appear in court”
The British intend to lock them to hell up.
One can only dream!!!!!
If Britain had taken back over Barbados in Jan. 2008 I wonder where certain people would be now………………………
http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/topstory-Former-Turks-and-Caicos-ministers-appear-in-court-9067.html
millertheanunnaki
The people of Barbados will not return to their vomit.
Bear with me.
I put the link, but this is so sweet I have to put the whole article.
“PROVIDENCIALES, Turks and Caicos Islands — Members of the Progressive National Party (PNP) and former Cabinet ministers in the Michael Misick-led government, as well as the former ministers’ relatives, appeared in the Providenciales magistrates court in the Turks and Caicos Islands on Tuesday, facing various charges.
Those appearing included former deputy premier and minster of finance Floyd Hall, former minister of works Jeffrey Hall and former minister of health and education Lillian Boyce.
Samuel Been, a backbench member of the PNP government and former husband of Lillian Boyce, also appeared.
Also facing charges were Floyd Hall’s wife Lisa Hall, Hall’s brother Quinton Hall, and Boyce’s brother Earlson Robinson.
Also in court and charged was developer Richard Padgett and Jeffrey Hall’s attorney Melbourne Wilson.
All nine are charged with offences ranging from bribery to conspiracy to commit fraud were required to surrender their travel documents and were offered bail in varying amounts from $500,000 dollars for Floyd Hall; $175,000 for each of Jeffrey Hall, Lillian Boyce, Samuel Been and Melbourne Wilson; to $100,000 for each of Lisa Hall, Quentin Hall and Earlson Robinson.
Padgett was remanded in custody but later released on stringent bail conditions late Tuesday night following an appeal to the Chief Justice. Pending the outcome of his bail recognisance, he cannot leave the island.
Padgett was later reported to have appeared at the hospital in Providenciales complaining of chest pains.
Once bailed, all those charged must report all inter island movements and check in with the special investigation and prosecution team (SIPT) once a week.
All must appear in the Supreme Court on February 3, 2012, in Grand Turk.
While these are not the first court actions taken by the SIPT, it is the first time former ministers in the last PNP government have appeared in court
The charges stem from allegations of widespread government corruption that were revealed by the 2008-2009 Commission of Inquiry and which ultimately led to the partial suspension of the TCI constitution and the imposition of direct rule by Britain in 2009.”
One night in Prison and one crook complaining of “chest pains”.
The British not sparing anybody, Former Cabinet Ministers, their wives, backbenchers, attorney, developers, relatives etc.
Someone tell me how I can get these investigators down here in Barados?
Also remember that G’ovt was in office only about a third of the time of the Barbados Labour Party here in Barbados and they did so much stealing. Multiply the Barbados Labour Party misdeeds by three and would give you an idea of the “tiefing” which went on in Barbados.
Wah loss!!!!!!!!!
@ Carson C. Cadogan | December 8, 2011 at 9:31 PM |
A drunk does. And Barbados is full of them, according to random thoughts. Just for old time’s sake for the promised easy orgasmic-like materialistic thrills of those wasted years of economic prostitution.
The harsh economic times and the austere measures places the government in a bad place.
Stuart had his chance to win it all, now it is a lottery which is totally dependent on the vagaries of the global economic environment.
A betting man will put money on the BLP next election at this point.
millertheanunnaki
You might not know it. There is a story in the Bible about Joesph and his many coats or something like that.
It had something to do with seven years of plenty and seven years of famine.
But the people back then didn’t go to University but they had more sense than Owen”seethru”Arthur. They knew when it was seven years of plenty and they stored up because they were wise and when the seven years of famine came they were able to draw down from what they had stored up.
Remember that I said that these were people who didn’t go to University. Neither did they have paper qualifications in Economics. There were sensible unlike stupid Owen they did not “lick out” everything and when the famine came everybody scrambling.
Ponder on these things when making your statements.
DAVID
You are not making any sense at all.
DAVID
Just keep quiet.
@ Carson C. Cadogan | December 8, 2011 at 9:59 PM |
How dare you question my theological credentials? Don’t you know I possess a doctorate in Theology from the University of Zoe and Co?
But when did the years of plenty started and ended? Would you say that the years of plenty (for the beneficiaries of the fatted calf) started in 2008? Or has the calf now become an old “bull-cow” and on seeing a fiscal red rag, charged like a bull on a community council pasture and fell over the economic precipice ready to be devoured by the overseas financial vultures?
i notice that the PM Stuart was all jubilant and full of praise for T&T and Kamala in talking to the media about the Caricom summit and the headway they are making mapping out protocols and strategizing towards a fishing agreement. Mr. PM i hope this is not going blow over when the natives stop rattling their spears. another twenty years is not Acceptable. The time is NOW!
@ CCC…
You berating David on his own blog? Really?
You can’t be serious. You’ve got to be joking.
In which case, don’t give up your day job. “Comedian” definitely does NOT suit you!
… just do it!
The reason there is no deal on fishing is simple. Bajans want something in exchange for nothing. Find something of equal monetary value in exchange for fish. Stop trying to negotiate using fishy business ideas. There is nothing free but God’s grace.
ac | December 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM |
” ..i notice that the PM Stuart was all jubilant and full of praise for T&T and Kamala in talking to the media about the Caricom summit and the headway they are making mapping out protocols ….. ”
One wonders if he was able to persuade the T&T PM to hurry up and join the CCJ which is housed right in their jurisdiction. This situation really makes Caricom look like the laughing stock of the English speaking Jurisprudence world. One wonders how long they will carry on with this embarrassing monkey situation. Maybe another “instruction” from the House of Lords might do the trick.
CCJ has no benefit for TNT. The only purpose it had was for Manning to sit on a high horse. Now, Manning is senile of under some sort of occult curse.
CCJ is a breeding ground for leaches and her sisters Give and Give. Trinidad and Tobago would be foolish to peruse CCJ any further.
Birds swim, fish fly; hmmmnn that doesn’t seem right, birds fly, fish fly that can’t be right either, birds fly, fish swim sounds right but do fish really fly?
Once again the suddenly elusive Flying Fish has escaped from its own island to frolic in the relative tranquility of Buccoo Reef and all Barbados is atwitter. The Bajan fishermen who chased after them have found themselves at the wrong end of the Trinidad gendarmes and Bajan citizens are wondering why there is no fishing agreement with the land of the Humming Bird.
The answer is in the form of a question, What’s in it for the people from Calypso Island? Nada, Rien, Nothing, and until the residents of Little England realise this they will be spinning in mud.
From Panday to Manning to Kamla; from Arthur to Thompson to Stuart and not an agreement in sight over a few launches catching measly Flying Fish . It is obvious the good folk in T & T aren’t interested in resolving this dispute, the average Trini couldn’t tell the difference between a Flying Fish, a Jack or a Sprat, I could probably tell them a Garfish is a Flying fish, now if Barbados would cede some sovereignty about oil that is purportedly off its shores maybe the Trinis would come running.
Some time ago when the list of scholarship winners was announced I opined about the absence of an Oceanographer from the ranks of would be Accountants, Doctors and Lawyers. This from an island that is surrounded by waves, It seems the beach is for cricket or Bank Holiday parties, the ocean is not something that we can learn from. An oceanographer would tell you that Flying fish like other fauna have migratory patterns and if they are in Robinson Crusoe land today next month they will be back in the land of the Bearded Fig Tree. An oceanographer may tell fishermen when it is optimal to focus on other species of marine life. An oceanographer can give advice n how to preserve the beaches that the locals and tourists want to enjoy but alas….
After every Bajan delegation leaves the Trinis hold a party, the feature song is “Cry me a River”
The man who love Trinidadians market vendor Vic Fernandes get boo tonight at Venus tennis when he try to big up Trinidadians in the crowd and make sport at BAJANS . The flying fish arrests got locals BLUE VEX.
Maybe that was bajans way of telling Vic ‘TO GO TO HELL” this is a sensitive issue he should have known better.
well david for one who have unlimited acess to the world wide web i can;t see how such information has bypass you.maybe it is just indifference on your part as in it doesn;t affect me so why bother .BTW this topic is on another thread.
Sargeant wrote “the average Trini couldn’t tell the difference between a Flying Fish, a Jack or a Sprat, I could probably tell them a Garfish is a Flying fish,”
You could be right but Tobagonians have learned all about flying fishing from Bajans.
The Trickidadian government is treating Bajans as their poor cousins.
Boo Trinbagonians and then beg them for fish they have no recard for. Baggerjans assume they have a legal right to get fish when they beg, but justly the international court ruled. Now some want to push for an active CCJ to approve legal leaches. Why not share oil/gas blocks in Bajans waters with Trinidadians in exchange for fish.
yhe attorney general has been criticised for his comment inferring that ‘he thought the fishing dispute with trinidad was behind us’. i thought so too when mr thompson shortly after assuming office was accorded a highly publicised state visit to trinidad and was ceremoniously greeted by mr manning. i would have thought that that would have been a good opportunity to jumpstart or conclude the fishing dispute.