The Immigration Issue Exposes The Divide Between The Academics And The PEOPLE

Norman Girvan, Research Fellow at the University of the West Indies, St. Augustine

Norman Girvan, Research Fellow at the University of the West Indies, St. Augustine

Prime Minister David Thompson’s new immigration policy which addresses the vexing issue of undocumented CARICOM workers living in Barbados takes effect from today albeit a national holiday. The policy comes not too soon for many Barbadians who with their eyes see the problem for what it is, an open door immigration policy practiced by the previous government which was not sustainable. The woefully inadequate management information system at the Immigration Department to track people traffic across our borders has since been acknowledged by the Auditor General in his report  for period 2008-2009. Those who oppose the Thompson policy point to the the issues of historical linkages between Barbados, Guyana and the other Caribbean islands, betraying the spirit of the Treaty of Chaguaramas, the tone of the Thompson government as a leader in the CSME movement and among other issues.

Interestingly enough the issue of respective Caribbean island governments having cause to focus on more tightly regulating immigration laws has been a hot topic in recent weeks if anyone is to peruse the regional newspapers. Guyana is battling with illegal immigrants from Brazil and China, Jamaica, Dominica Republic and the Bahamas continue to deal with the influx of Haitians, Antigua and Trinidad like Barbados has been at the end of a large inflow of Guyanese and so it continues across the Caribbean. It makes us wonder why Barbados continues to attract the bulk of the dissenting commentary since announcing a new policy to deal with the problem.

A corollary to the immigration debate has been the perspectives of many of those in academia with a secondary observation, the position of the Barbados Labour Party (BLP).

Researcher Akhentoolove 'Eddie' Corbin at Cave Hill, UWI

Researcher Akhentoolove 'Eddie' Corbin at Cave Hill, UWI

A visit to the website of Norman Girvan, Research Fellow at the University of the West Indies, St. Augustine  list a series of submissions which cloak the problem of undocumented workers as being xenophobic and reckless on the part of Barbados. We couldn’t find any prominence of the view which Professor Girvan gives to the possibility that undocumented workers might possibly represent a socio-economic problem for Barbados and therefore requires an urgent response. To support the position we listened last year to a radio program where Girvan and UWI Lecturer Tennyson Joseph accused Prime Minister Thompson and by extension Barbados of reneging its leadership role on the matter of CSME. The discourse prompted Minister Chris Sinckler to respond by asking where had Barbados not met its obligations to CARICOM and CSME under the Thompson administration.

Last week  Akintolove Corbin who has an academic role at the UWI Cave Hill again spoke with a fork tongue on the issue of immigration in Barbados while hosting a talk show. He readily admitted that Barbados has to manage immigration better than it has done in the past but was quick to add the caveat: Barbados must be careful not to derail it role in furthering the regional integration movement. Why append this condition when all Barbados has done is to make a policy decision as is the right of any sovereign country to do? Did Thompson not give an amnesty to the undocumented people in Barbados?

Dr. Keith Nurse is director of the Shridath Ramphal Centre for International Trade Law, Policy and Services at the Cave Hill Campus

Dr. Keith Nurse is Director of the Shridath Ramphal Centre for International Trade Law, Policy and Services at the Cave Hill Campus

At the screening of the Annalee Davis 30 minute show which documented the anecdotes of mostly Indo-Guyanese negative experiences travelling into Barbados and a few other islands guess who put in an appearance to give vocal support?  Dr. Keith Nurse, director of the Shridath Ramphal Centre for International Trade Law, Policy and Services at the Cave Hill Campus (Barbados) was quick to praise the work of Davis which portrayed Barbados as the big bully trying to keep Guyanese from entering Barbados. The Davis video made no attempt to capture the views of officialdom to provide the other view i.e. the Barbados Immigration Department, Police, Minister in government or even a senior journalist. The ease with which Dr. Nurse endorsed the amateur attempt by Davis to taint the reputation of Barbados which has always adopted a leadership role in the regional integration movement opens the door for his motives to be questioned.

The most vocal exception of those in academia has been Professor Michael Howard. It seems stupid that people of such high learning and accreditation would confuse the freedom of movement under the spirit of the Treaty of Chaguramus and the need for a 166 square mile island to manage the inflow of people from outside. We highlight spirit because as far as has been reported Barbados has honoured it commitment to the treaty by allowing those category of skill workers identified to to freely work under the CSME arrangement.

With interest we read the report of the Antigua Opposition Leader Lester Bird  requesting the government to factor an amnesty in its new immigration policy but at the same time he seemed to be supportive. In Barbados the Opposition Barbados Labour Party has been to a man very unsympathetic to the position taken by the Thompson government. The government has been accused of taking a populist position which may jeopardize the implementation of CSME. Again of interest is the statement by Secretary General of CARICOM Edwin Carrington that the objectives of the integration movement may have to be revisited. It is clear that the immigration issue has been allowed to become a political football. It would have taken great courage to have announced the new immigration policy, Prime Minister David Thompson should take comfort in the knowledge that he has the support of the PEOPLE.

The discussion which will continue in the days and weeks to come must be informed by our leaders, especially the academics. The line between the sovereign right of Barbados to protect its borders and its obligation under the regional treaty is a narrow line but a line nevertheless.

213 responses to “The Immigration Issue Exposes The Divide Between The Academics And The PEOPLE

  1. Ruel Daniels

    I don’t blame Barbadians Anonymous. I have not met a single black Guyanese who do not understand the Bajan point of view, including those with relatives who might be illegal in Barbados. They understand it is like living comfortable with your family in a two bedroom house, and then having all of the neglected neighbours kids from a big house across the street flocking to your little house for room and board. At leat that is how one letter writer illustrated it in the kaieteurnews.

    Faria and his clique are accustomed to benefitting from things they did not fight or sacrifice for. To the same extent the PPP monopolize and covetiously control the public fananced media in Guyana, and prevent black people from having their voices heard on it, even though they pay more than their population size in compulsory taxes, the Farias and Singhs believe they have a right all that belongs to Barbadians.

  2. If the P.M backs down from this situation and these thousands of illegals remain in Barbados, it will cause civil unrest in this country. This was onlt abated recently because of the immigration statement by the P.M but bajans are getting agitated again, this problem is about to go away, instead is will increase. I see some unrest evolving when 4 seasons re-open and these chinese ordinary workers and these guyanese are prefered to bajans. Jamaican and Trinidad workers demonstrated about similar problems in their country and I know bajans are ready too.

  3. Checkmate-123 // June 8, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    I don’t CARE what you or any other blogger thinks. Have you ever met George Brahwaite? do you know him personally?

    George Brathwaite is an abusive, popmpous ass. I mke no apologies for saying that.

    I have no problem with George having an opinion; however, I LIKE MOST BARBADIANS am tired of listening to persons like GB who think they know what is good for Barbados!

    GB is full of hot air! A victim of Partisan politics ha ha aha lol! You kill me …… Ask George who sent him to England and then come and talk to me for sure I know it was not the BLP!

    Partisan politics my ASS!

  4. mash up & buy back

    Reading the Starbroek news today gives one a clear idea of which ethnic group is responsible for bringing in the drugs into our countries and turning the sons and daughters of citizens of african descent – into addicts.

    Everytime you look at who is responsible for the big drug hauls -not the 2 0z of coke or 10lb of ganja – you see they are indians who all claim to be businessmen and women and in fact have some business as a cover for their drug dealing.

    This is why we need to keep these people out of Barbados.

  5. George “Know de Most” Brathwaite went to school with me. That is actually his real nickname and why do you think so?

    You could also ask him who sent him to Glendairy … that’s why I’m so proud of him that he turned his life around.

    He still talks the same rubbish from school-days though. He is a little guy with much to be little about!

  6. Mash Up & Buy Back
    It is not only the Indo-Guyanese that are big drug pushers but those Indians from the Continent.

    Naime of Bionic Man Shop fame who was arrested previously and was held in Trinidad for alleged criminal activity involving money & drugs and who a former Attorney-General in a Barbados Labour Party administration help him in his troubles in Trinidad is the passport carrier for newly arrived migrants from India & Pakistan.Naime has been nickname “Chief Immigration Officer”There is some much information that I have that I am a bit skeptical to put it on the net.

    I believe that we should not place emphasize only on the illegals from Guyana & the Caribbean but we must start paying attention to the growing Indian,Pakistan & Middle Eastern population that is growing at an alarming rate in Barbados.

    I know for a fact that many Indians,Chinese & Europeans non-nationals are being facilitated with Barbadian citizenship by not only public officers but also by some of our leading politicians from both political parties.

    We are trying to solve one problem but we have other serious immigrations problems that must be address as a matter of urgency.

  7. Knight Templar

    Long before Prime Minister David Thompson ordered sick-old-men to come out or retirement from active politics to help him manage this country – the most intelligent in our society knew that he (Thompson) does not have what it takes to manage a modern Barbados.

    The serious concern being expressed by the intellectuals and scholars across the region, such as: Sir Ronald Saunders, Prof, Girvan, Prof. Persaud, Prof. Howard, Mia Mottley, Owen Arthur, Clyde Mascoll, Dr. Joseph and others – is further proof that the 69,720 who did not vote for the DLP on January 15, 2008 – were right to have acted in the national interest.

    David Thompson’ “Inhumane Deportation Doctrine,” highlights the fact that both he and the DLP are totally lost about how the modern Barbados economy functions and how it was built.

    Perhaps I should inform them that the modern Barbados economy was built with and on foreign labour.

    It is people from Guyana, St. Vincent, St. Lucia and other countries within the region that cut Barbadian sugar canes, picked Barbadian cotton, work in construction and in agriculture – which are jobs Barbadians became to “better-off” to do for themselves.

    Here is further proof of DLP intellectual weakness and political incompetence.

    The DLP does not understand the concept of “population ageing,” neither does it see the connection between Immigration (managed migration & A Guest Worker programme) its Labour Policy, Finance, the economy; quality of life of Barbadians and by extention, the life and good health of the NIS Fund, especially since the DLP is now dipping into it willy nilly and without an actuary study.

    David, the Dems and DLP blogger will have tremendous difficulty understanding this intellectual submission.

    Please be patient and help them. So intellectually weak and politically incompetent is the DLP – that they have to be taken by the hand and led.

  8. Checkmate-123

    Veritas — who sent him to Glendairy? I am happy that you admire him. Seems that there is no bteer judge and jury than you are. Hope you are not one of those ‘undercover men’ otherwise categorised as a failure. Your contemptuous spoutings does not enhance your arguments but it reproduces a venom that makes u that little guy with much to be little about! Debate the issue and stop trying to shoot the messenger, flee from your undercover and late night shenanigans.

  9. Knight Templar
    The more srap you write the furture down the well you pushing the BLP. Keep it up , My Friend

  10. Everyone here should take what Negroman is saying extremely seriously about the drug issue,exempt on the race issue.For me,It is not a matter of race since some of the other primarily black Caribbean islands are also facing the same problem or are already apart of it like St. Vincent.The Barbados Government needs to take the immigration crackdown extremely serious not because of only illegal immigrants but at the ports as well because of the tactical location in which Barbados is positioned to transport drugs to other destinations via Grantley Adams International Airport.

    Human smuggling & Drug smuggling is on the rise in the Caribbean by flight while having any so-called full “freedom of movement” amongst Caricom nationals would further magnify this problem many times exponentially in Barbados specifically.One only needs to look at the recent headlines as it relates to drug smuggling in Barbados & abroad.Good examples of this would be the the recent convictions of the 6 Guyana nationals who were trying to set up their own operation in Barbados coupled with the fact that a Barbados national was caught at the UK ports of entry for drugs.Don’t get me wrong the RBPF,Barbados Coast guard are doing an excellent job at keeping drugs at bay but it doesn’t seem to be having much effect on ‘drug mules’.

    The US International Narcotics Control Strategy has reportedly recently as of Feb. 2009 that Barbados & other Caribbean islands that connect with Barbados via Grantley Adams International will see an increase in drugs this year & this is mainly due to current recession hitting the Caribbean.

  11. The St. Lucia star even reports on the drug problem.

    http://stluciastar.com/content/archives/4532

    “According to the US State Department’s 2009 International Narcotics Control Strategy Report, Antigua and Barbuda, Barbados, Dominica, Grenada, St Kitts and Nevis, St Lucia and St Vincent and the Grenadines remain susceptible to drug traffickers from the South American continent bent on marketing illegal drugs to markets in the US and Europe.
    That report also states that notable trends in 2008 included an increase in the number of drug couriers swallowing cannabis, the continued use of go-fast boats from neighbouring islands of St Vincent and St Lucia, and the use of in-transit passengers to transport drugs. The trend of employees working in key commercial transportation positions, example baggage handlers, FedEx, DHL assisting with drug trafficking also continued.
    Here in St Lucia drug trafficking seems to have become the order of the day, even more so during this economic crunch. Many have made bold statements that the St Lucian economy is surviving because of the drug trade.
    With the ridiculously high rate of unemployment people, especially our young men and women appear more tempted, to make some “quick money”.
    We are beginning to see a rise in drug-trafficking at an alarming rate. In recent times a number of St Lucians have been arrested for attempting to smuggle drugs overseas.
    On Thursday a slender, petite woman, who appeared to be in her early 20’s, appeared before the Magistrate’s Court, charge documents in hand, ready to defend her drug-trafficking case. The matter, however, could not proceed since the investigating officer did not have access to the exhibits because “the exhibit keeper was sick.”
    Presiding Magistrate, Velon John who was obviously not pleased, gave the matter a final adjournment and warned the officer and prosecutor to ensure that all is in check the next time the case comes up before him, otherwise they may just see the young woman walking freely out the door. John also referred to the “mediocrity” in the justice system.
    News of others arrested for St Lucia-sourced drugs has also been circulating the airwaves. Just a few months ago, former England all rounder, Chris Lewis, was sentenced to 13 years in prison after being found guilty of smuggling cocaine into the country.
    According to Cricinfo, Lewis, 41, was arrested at Gatwick in December last year after a flight from St Lucia, when customs officials found five cans of fruit juice in which cocaine had been dissolved.
    He had been traveling with a friend, Chad Kirnon, a former basketball player for London Towers, arriving back from holiday in St Lucia. Both men received the same 13-year sentence.
    In a recent STAR article, it was reported that a freight carrier was intercepted in Trinidad and Tobago with a shipment of drugs allegedly bound for St Lucia. On Tuesday March 17, the ship’s cook confessed that he was the one who brought $4 million dollars (EC$2 million) worth of cocaine to Trinidad two weeks ago. According to the Trinidad Express newspaper Vincentian national Norman Nanton, 51, said
    that he was paid US$8,000 to take the 11 kilograms of cocaine to St Lucia. He pleaded guilty before a San Fernando court whilst a co-accused Grenadian national and the ship captain pleaded not guilty. They were released on TT$100,000 bail.
    In February, a 23-year-old male from Monchy and a 30-year-old female of Cedar Heights, Vieux-Fort were found with approximately one kilogram of cocaine, whilst preparing to board a LIAT flight bound for Barbados at the George F L Charles Airport, Castries. They were subsequently arrested and charged. The young man who appeared in court three days after the incident pleaded guilty to all charges they were subsequently arrested and handed over to officers of the Drug Unit and later charged with possession of controlled drugs, possession with intent to supply controlled drugs and attempting to export controlled drugs. They appeared in court on Monday. The young man pleaded guilty to all the charges and was fined $50,000 for possession with intent to supply controlled drugs. He was given 60 days to pay the sum. In default, one year imprisonment. The young lady was bailed on her own recognizance and her case was set for a later date. She was also ordered by the court to surrender all her travel documents.
    In May, the brother-in-law of a government minister, along with a female friend, was caught with liquid cocaine, after disembarking a British Airways flight. The two individuals from Gros Islet, St Lucia were apprehended by UK Customs Officers. They have both been arrested and charged.
    The latest incident involves a 32-year-old woman from St Lucia who was stopped by officials at Gatwick Airport after she arrived from the island via Antigua.
    About 1 kg (2lbs) of cocaine was found under her wig. She was arrested and charged for the offense. The cocaine was estimated at a street value of 40,000 pounds.
    With the new age technology and ever increasing security measures being implemented by immigration authorities world-wide, one wonders, why take the risk?
    But here in St Lucia, are we doing enough to combat this ill in our society? Do we see the need to invest in eradicating this problem which destroys the fabric of our nation—the youth?
    A few months ago, a regional workshop for the Development of National Anti-Drug Strategies and Plans was held in St Lucia. The various participants included officials from the Ministry of Health and Substance Abuse Advisory Council Secretariat (SAACS), who looked at various ways dealing with the issue
    of substance abuse and
    drugs.
    In an article in the STAR published on May 15, 2009, Executive Director of SAACS, Clement Edward said the secretariat has prepared its programme for 2009-2010, which they hope to present to the government.
    “We are hoping that between now and the end of this year we will be able to make a national presentation not just to the Cabinet of Ministers but to the House of Assembly of both sides of the House so they can better appreciate and understand the problems of substance abuse, and the need that calls for all sides within Saint Lucia; all persons to address this particular issue,” Edward said.
    However during a brief interview with the STAR on Friday he stated that things are “kind of laid back” due to the (lack of) financial resources and technical and expert assistance.
    He said since the workshop a national committee has been formed and it is preparing additional training programmes, which are to take place in various countries across the region.
    According to Edward, SAACS has also teamed up with some of the NGO’s, one of which will be collaborating with them to host a National Anti-Drug exihibition, beginning on June 24 at the Castries City Hall.
    A National March and Rally will also be held at the Derek Walcott Square.
    Edward said these activities would bring greater awareness of the effects of substance abuse to the public.
    He believes that more resources are being directed at the intervention of drug trade than human resource development. But are these training programmes really helping? We have seen many such workshops yet the scourges of drug abuse and drug-trafficking (and crime and poverty) continue to haunt us.
    Speaking to Commissioner of Police, Ausbert Regis on Friday, he stated that drug-trafficking is an activity that has been taking place over a long period of time. He added that it is definitely cause for concern for the police.
    He disclosed that the police in St Lucia are in very close contact with the UK authorities and that whoever commits their crimes overseas will serve time in the respective country.
    According to the Commissioner, one could face up to life imprisonment for drug-trafficking.
    SAACS is also expected to host a national symposium in November, during which the programme will be ratified and then be presented to Cabinet.”

  12. We also know that most if not all drugs come mainly from South America except marijuana,but I wonder why it took a New Government to statistically have less drugs into Barbados.Can Darknight/Hogsqueal explain this ?

    Click to access 120054.pdf

    “From January 1 to September 30, 2008, Government of Barbados (GOB) agencies reported seizing 46 kg of cocaine–
    an 80% reduction from 2007. Local intelligence suggests that the reason for the reduction is due to strategic measures
    put in place by the police force that have caused traffickers to experience great losses in product and persons at sea
    which makes them reluctant to use Barbados as a transit point. The GOB also seized 4,662 kg of marijuana in 2008.
    There have not been any seizures of Ecstasy (MDMA) since 2005, when Barbados, for the first time, confiscated 2,445
    Ecstasy tablets. The GOB brought drug charges against 213 persons during 2008, 29 fewer than in 2007. Seven major
    drug traffickers were arrested during this period. In 2008, the GOB destroyed 5,240 cannabis plants, down from 7,194
    in 2007.”

  13. Despite what Jay posted and we agree, Barbadians were fed a diet of Sir Ronald Saunders yesterday on VOB commenting negatively on Barbados position on the immigration matter.

    Doesn’t Saunder realise that the immigration debate was being
    discussed long before the economic meltdown.

  14. I dont understand this at all! It amuses me that VOB and the Nation are on a campaign to destroy the Government and in so doing Barbados as well!

    Oops I forgot the persons who are in charge are not BAJAN!

  15. @ Negroman

    Who is ‘Naime of Bionic Man Shop?’

  16. Checkmate-123

    Veritas — who sent him to Glendairy? I am happy that you admire him. Seems that there is no bteer judge and jury than you are. Hope you are not one of those ‘undercover men’ otherwise categorised as a failure. Your contemptuous spoutings does not enhance your arguments but it reproduces a venom that makes u that little guy with much to be little about! Debate the issue and stop trying to shoot the messenger, flee from your undercover and late night shenanigans.
    ____________________

    You would know me well.

  17. @David,I don’t think the ‘Regionalists’ will ever ‘get it’.This whole dream of ‘free-movement of all nationals of Caricom’ is an idea that should never be accepted if it threatens the sovereignty of any nation & the people will always respond negatively to such practices & to add insult to injury we had a prior Government that seemed to be secretly nurturing some forms of chaos within our midst while downplaying the concerns of the people that they represent.When such a thing happens & the respect is lost,that person stops being a leader & it doesn’t matter if it is election season or not which is something that the BLP currently cannot grasp.I will admit that I DO sympathize with Guyana nationals for not having good governance,but certainly NOT at the expense of Barbados’ own that should be protected at all costs.

    http://www.nationnews.com/news/local/thumbs-up-for-govt

    “Barbados is a world leader when it comes to Government’s ability to get the job done.
    That, in essence, was the message sent to the international financial community about Barbados by Moody’s Investor’s Service, one of the leading international credit rating firms on Wall Street.
    In an analysis of Barbados’ economy, Moody’s cited the World Bank’s assessment of the effectiveness of successive governments in Bridgetown to support its decision to give the country a “high” rating on “institutional strength”.
    Not only was Barbados’ “Government effectiveness indicator” rated among the highest in the Caribbean and Latin America, but around the world, including some of the richest countries, according to the Wall Street firm.
    What made Barbados stand out was its “high quality institutions and social development”, Moody’s went on.
    Just as important, was its ranking in the United Nations Human Development Index, which measures such factors as per capita income, gross domestic product, adult literacy and income distribution.
    “Aside from these traditional indicators of institutional strength, in Moody’s view, Barbados-broad-based consensus on economic policies assure continuity,” the Wall Street credit rating agency added.
    “Labour unions and employers regularly consult and cooperate with government in the formulation and conduct of economic policies, including the setting of wages,” the report explained.
    Moody’s suggested that anyone searching for answers to explain Barbados’ political stability and relative prosperity could find them in the country’s history dating back to the 17th century.
    It told the international financial community that Barbados “has the longest tradition of parliamentary practices” in the Caribbean with “local representatives” very much involved in the running of the country through the House of Assembly.
    “This tradition laid the foundation for political stability and the building of national consensus on economic and social policies after Independence in 1966,” it stated.”
    —————————————

    I’m also glad that Minister McClean understands fully the issue at hand.

    http://capitolnewsgy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/time-to-leave.wmv

  18. Anonymous
    Naime is an Indian business man who owns the Bionic Man shop on Lower Broad Street.He was charged for drug possession & money laundering a few years back in Barbados.

    Naime has a room in a house full with counterfeit passports & money .He bribes politicians & public officers.Many politicians from both political parties facilitate Naime with the granting of citizenship to newly arrived Indians & Pakistani.

    We are dealing with a set of people who are hell bent in taking over this country in the not too distance future.

    These Indians even brag & boast that they do not have to go in for any driver’s licence or having to face the courts for any charge whatsoever because they donate vehicles to the police department.Remember recently some vehicles & other equipment were given to Regional Police Training School by the Indian community in Barbados.That is their plan bribing our institutions for their benefit..

    As Scout always saying We are sitting at the foot of a volcano just waiting to explode.I foresee perilous times for Black People in Barbados in the not to distance future with this ever increasing Indian population and now we have the Chinese to deal with.
    Fellow bloggers please remember what happened to those unfortunate Black workers at the Royal Shop.I think that is a case study for the future labour relations in a future Barbados. .

  19. Correction Negroman isn’t he Syrian?

    Was it not interesting to listen to Tony Best from New York pointing out to an awestruck Pat Hoyos that anti-immigration policies has become a world wide position.

    To the academics, Wickham, Saunders, George Brathwaite et al who would make this a Barbados issue, it makes us wonder indeed.

  20. David
    What was also interested was the fact that some countries have made it a policy that in case of layoffs, it is mandated that the immigrant workers MUST be the ones to go before the citizens. These are countries that are protecting their citizens and the country’s sovereignty. I hope the BLP realise that they were/are making a big fool of themselves.

  21. Again Barbados is ahead of the others in the region in global matters. Don’t blame our P.M for following global trends. Maybe, many illegal bajans will be sent back and our government would have to deal with that. We can’t deal with other countries citizens and our returning nationals too. Maybe, our government might start putting in place a policy to relieve this country of all other illegals, not just Caricom citizens. As I said before it is going to be interesting to see if bajans construction workers will be given piority when 4 seasons project re-opens.

  22. CHURCH MOUSE

    Are we to understand that people are just migrating to Barbados willy nilly? People go where there are emplopyment opportunities not vailable to them in their own country. That’s why there are so many thousands of Barbadians in North America and England. It’s also the reason why there was such a wave of migration of Barbadians to Guyana around the turn of the century.
    For as long as we continue to nurture these insular, zenophobic sentiments towards other Caribbean people, the harder it will be for the ideals of the C.S.M.E to be achieved.

  23. Church Mouse,You cannot use the US or the UK argument since both are many hundred’s of times larger than Barbados.

    The issue in Barbados is space,population density & illegal immigration.One also cannot just get up & go to another country at will.I guarantee you if anyone tries it with the US or the UK they will definitely be detained,denied entry & will be accompanied likely with an immigration bar from re-entry.I have seen more than my fair share of people being detained by the Customs & Border Patrol here in the States.

    What are the ideals of CSME ? The plain & simple truth is that no one knows & the current arrangement allows for only Skilled labour in certain categories which Barbados currently allows & most here can agree with.Barbados has also given out the quite a number of CSME certificates according to the Barbados CSME unit.

    The plain & simple truth is that CSME is usually used as a cover to promote ILLEGAL immigration through the Caricom region,whether it be Barbados,Antigua,St. Kitts or some of the other more well off sovereign Caribbean states & Bajans will absolutely NOT stand for it.

    The Barbadians to Guyana argument will also not fly as we both weren’t independent states at the time & didn’t have our own immigration rules since we were British territory at the time prior to 1966 & they allowed complete freedom of movment when it was their territories,but now it is a totally different ball game.

  24. I would also like to add that even Jamaica agrees with Barbados’ stance even if for different reasons.The fact is that Barbados has set off a chain reaction throughout Caricom concerning not only having specifics concerning CSME but also a frank discussion on where we truly want to go with it.Island states MUST have some sort of protection when it comes to population density & illegal immigration or CSME will NOT go forward.

    http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20090611T030000-0500_153262_OBS_PM_LAMENTS_BARRIERS_TO_FREE_MOVEMENT_OF_CARICOM_NATIONALS.asp

    “PM laments barriers to free movement of Caricom nationals

    Patrick Foster

    Thursday, June 11, 2009

    IN the wake of non-tariff barriers recently imposed on the export of Jamaican patties to Trinidad, Prime Minister Bruce Golding Monday commented that problems were also being encountered between Caribbean states in the movement of people.

    “It’s not just in trade,” Golding said at the launch of National Export month held by the JEA at the Knutsford Court hotel in Kingston. “We are also having difficulty in the movement of people.”

    The prime minister argued that under the treaty of Chaguaramas, Caricom countries were supposed to open their immigration doors to all Caribbean nationals this year.

    “So long as you are a Caribbean national you are supposed to move freely throughout the region,” Golding said, adding that goods were supposed to be traded freely “from a long time ago”.

    “That has not been happening,” he remarked.

    Caricom passports are now being issued by the Jamaican Government replacing the recently introduced burgundy passports and the traditional blue passports.

    But Golding is charging that many Caricom countries are deliberately delaying the implementation of the agreement allowing unrestricted travel of professionals between countries.

    “It is unacceptable when one country says that I know I was supposed to have allowed professionals entry by now but have not been able to do it,” Golding told the gathering. He added that some Caricom leaders have said that they were unsure when they would be able to allow unrestricted entry.

    “I think we are at a point where we are going to have to either renew in a demonstrable way our commitment to this Caricom process or be honest and decide what we are prepared to commit ourselves to,” Golding said.

    He acknowledged, however, that some Caribbean states had legitimate problems, citing Antigua where he said immigrants were attracted to the higher per capita income in the island.

    Antigua has 70,000 people, 42,000 of whom are not Antiguans, Golding said. He added that the Antiguan prime minister has commented that pretty soon Antiguans will make up less than 10 per cent of the island’s population.

    “Barbados is having the same problem,” said Golding.
    “If that is the case let us revisit the treaty,” he argued. “

  25. Well said Golding!

  26. CHURCH MOUSE

    To answer Jay’s last point first: it doesn’t matter whether Guyana was independent or not when Barbadians were migrating there. The plain fact is that Barbadians saw an opportunity in Guyana and the people of Guyana (at the time) accepted them. This has nothing to do with the British.
    Yes immigration should be legal; but I suspect that illegality is being used as a straw man to wage a campaign against people from elsewhere in the Caribbean coming here. The vitrolic comments I’ve read on this and other blogs certainly make that clear.
    And, yes, the ideals of the C.S.M.E are quite clear. The leaders have agreed to them and they have been documented. The difficulty is with implementation.
    Personally, I don’t think any of our leaders has the vision and independence of mind to grasp those ideals and run with them. They are still too caught up in the insularity and divisiveness that is a legacy of colonial control.

  27. Stupse

  28. Ricky singh in today’s nation is calling on the P.M of Barbados to retrack his position now before he has to do it at the next Heads of Government meeting. I see this as a serious comment and I’m calling not only on the P.M not to bend under pressure but also sikence Ricky for trying to dictate to the governance of this country. Obviously Singh and Wickham are not listening to the same Bajan citizens that most f us are listening to, when they make statements in support of the guyanese staying here and that they speak for the majority bajans.

  29. Jay, You are too kind, or you don’t know the Guyanese, for you would not have any sympathy regarding the Guyanese and their poor goverance. The Guyanese are at fault for their dilemma, and I have no sympathy for them, and if they are reading here my advice to them is to stop the racial voting and vote for who is best to rule the country, and if that person is not doing the job they are removed from office, but in Guyana it is not like that.

    You all talk about Bjans going to Guyana to in work, yes they went to work, but in most instances they were paid next to nothing for their hard work. Bajans worked hard in Guyana, and let me tell you Guyana was not an easy place to live back then, so you can only imagine now. For one thing, the wages have always been low, very low, even when supposedly Guyana was flourishing, a few get rich in Guyana and the rest just left to wallow in the left overs, that is Guyana. Just look at the rate of exchnage $1.00 BDS is $117 GYD, fancy that.

  30. My sympathies are with Barbados, and let me tell you why. Here you have taken your small territory and turned it into a democratic, peaceful and prosperous society, never mind that there are 40,000 Bajans in the US. There are are Germans, French, Canadians and Japanese in the US, and all the above mentioned nationalities are from prosperous nations.

    Now to the Guyana segment of this unfortunate crisis. First of all the Guyanese have a history of falsifying their own history, and this has to do with who is writing their history, but then again the Guyanese falsify everything, so what can we expect. So my advice to people like Jay is to be aware and not fall in the trap of identifying with the perpetrators, don’t feel sorry for the Guyanese, and maybe once back in Guyana they will have learned a few things about how a political system works from their Barbadian experience.

    The Guyanese people have a country that is 83,000 square miles, a resource rich country at that, no one staves in Guyana, for you can always pick a fruit from an abandoned yard, fish for some fish and so on. Guyana prides itrself as a highly literate nation, in fact it is famed for its high literacy rate, but yet you have a people who continue to live under inept governemnts since independence, this does not make sense. The Guyanese want their country to be like Babados, but yet they allow their government to do all sort of things that are undemocratic and thus prevent the nation of Guyana from prospering. This leads me to think that all Guyanese are deaf and blind, and that is why their country is in such dire straights, and thus the subsequent high immigration rate. This does not make sense, and this is the very reason I have no symthathy for them. Look at your country, you did not like the BLP so you put in the DLP, and so on, but not Guyana, race takes precendent over the well being of the country, and that is why I have no sympathy for them. I hope they have learned from you, and hopefully in 2011 they can do Guyana right and vote for the party that can fix up Guyana.

  31. Anon., your response to Jay is right on target. the current generation of Guyanese would prefer to cry foul than to do what they are supposed to do. I am sorry that so many of our leaders are willing to jeopardize Caribbean relations than to understand Barbados position.

  32. Mike, all PM Thompson needs to do is ask these other leaders that would seek to criticise him is “what would they have done” in such a siutation.

  33. The Guyanese have always sought to take the easy way out, such as immigrating and in some instances illegally to other countries. The Government of Barbados is executing the laws of the land, which is all immigrants must regularise themsleves to live and work in the country. There is criteria to be meet in regard to this law and if you do not meet such criteria then deportation back to Guyana, St. Vincent, Jamaica and so on.

    Barbados is the hapless victim here, not Guyana, the Guyanese are the perpetrators, therefore, no backlash against Barbados form the region’s leaders. As you say Mike the Guyanese would rather cry foul than remedy the situation, and that is why they are constantly digging up the distant historical ties between Barbados and Guyana as a justification for the illegal Guyanese to stay in Barbados, which in so doing makes them the victim and Barbados the perpetrator.

    You see the problem here is that the Guyanese are a victim of their own circumstance, they have a large wealthy resource filled country, and because of this they are complacent, you have to live there in Guyana to know them, for this is a people that are quick to tell you other nationalities do not like them, Bajans don’t like them, T&T ‘s don’t like them, Surinamers don’t like them, and Indians and Blacks in that country don’t like each other, the mixtures don’t like any of them, and when they go overseas they are asheamed to say they
    are Guyanese as no body likes them, so here you have a people that nobody likes or understands, well you know when people don’t understand you then no one can hold you accountable, after all I don’t understand, sot her eis nothing I can so, so Guyana and Guyanese just teether along, no one sanctions them, they are there, thrugging alone and doing all sorts of things, well I am glad Barbados was able to call them on this one No more excuses, send them home to build a Guyana.