Why As A Biochemist, I CANNOT Believe In Evolution

Posted on December 4, 2009 by David | 743 Comments

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743 responses to “Why As A Biochemist, I CANNOT Believe In Evolution”

Micro Mock Engineer | February 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM |

…and BT, now that we know some of GP’s fancy words, we understand what his text books mean when it describes the phylogenetic reconstruction (translation: path through the tree of life) for the butterfly’s evolution which you also asked about higher up the thread ROFL.

Their biological ancestors separated in the branch I provided above, at the ‘Colelomata’ ‘limb’ around 600 million years ago and continued down the following evolutionary path…

› Coelomata
› Protostomia
› Panarthropoda
› Arthropoda
› Mandibulata
› Pancrustacea
› Hexapoda
› Insecta
› Dicondylia
› Pterygota
› Neoptera
› Endopterygota
› Amphiesmenoptera (family of butterflies and moths)
Bush Tea | February 16, 2010 at 9:39 PM |

OK MME, I promise to let the matter rest here.
There are a few reasons for this.

– I have forgotten the gist of this thread and don’t have the time or patience to review it. ( I barely recall the various positions)

– I still find it hard to understand how you could know all this draft…. from Latin to biology to engineering to law – RU4real?

– Skippa, you sound like you actually believe these things that you are saying…. snigger!!

– and lastly, you trying to trick the bushman by suggesting that ‘evolution’ includes processes like genetic engineering..
How could it be ‘evolution’ when it is engineered by brilliant minds and cutting edge technology? When BBE did a similar but more complex thing we called it CREATION.
Micro Mock Engineer | February 16, 2010 at 9:50 PM |

“How could it be ‘evolution’ when it is engineered by brilliant minds and cutting edge technology?”
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Evolution, like gravity and the laws of thermodynamics, are just a few of those cutting edge ‘technologies’ used in “the more complex thing” we call CREATION.
Bush Tea | February 16, 2010 at 10:04 PM |

MME
That position defies logic. You can do much better.

If modern scientists were able to build a human being ‘just so’, would it make sense to waste time on in vitro fertilization, intracytoplasmic sperm injection, and other similar procedures.

Similarly, if BBE could CREATE things ‘just so’ why would they waste time with such haphazard mechanisms as evolution? – just so you and your bright friends can show off with those fancy (and admittedly impressive) Latin word? LOL
Micro Mock Engineer | February 16, 2010 at 10:34 PM |

“if BBE could CREATE things ‘just so’ why would they waste time with such haphazard mechanisms as evolution?”
……………..

Evolution is no more haphazard than quantum mechanics… and while both leave us with unanswered questions, they also provide us with testable knowledge about the natural world.

Frankly, I am a bit disappointed in that last question BT… it is sort of like asking why BBE would waste time with haphazard mechanisms like allowing suffering in the world… surely BBE could create perfect beings ‘just so’ without the need for this drama called life on earth… right? 🙂

There is nothing haphazard about any observable process around us, and what you may perceive as imperfections is all part of a plan… but you already know this… you like you sleepy yuh… or dem big words I borrow from GP got you confuse?
Anonymous | February 16, 2010 at 10:57 PM |

If there is a God, He will not or cannot be understood by us, otherwise He wouldn’t be God. Let’s get on with enjoying life as we understand such.
Micro Mock Engineer | February 16, 2010 at 11:32 PM |

“If there is a God, He will not or cannot be understood by us, otherwise He wouldn’t be God. Let’s get on with enjoying life as we understand such.”
…………………

Anonymous… that is an interesting observation. It’s similar to this quotation from the Vedas… “As far as the Universe extends, thus far extends the space within the heart.” – Chandogya Upanishad 8-1-3

Meaning-of-life type questions and philosophical discussions should help us to enjoy life… or at the very least, face death when that time comes without fear.
Anonymous | February 17, 2010 at 12:03 AM |

MME

There is a Bible quote about “putting away childish things”. Meaning-of-life questions seem childish. All I know is that I am alive and thus each “moment” has meaning and if only I can let go of my preconceived notions then maybe I will find that meaning for each “moment”. To live so as to die without fear seems like such a waste.

“Every day is as old as a new day is. Time represents itself.
Night fakes the rule of stars; as we fake
light’s good pencil.
As child’s chalk ridden black board. Alphabet of hope in a season of insects. Crawl of the beast in a season of days.
I unapologetic, remember why every day was once a new day. As new and as old as my childhood roaming.”

“As New and as Old (I)” – Martin Carter
Micro Mock Engineer | February 17, 2010 at 1:10 AM |

Anonymous,

I enjoy contemplating the nature of human beings and our place in the universe… indeed, it helps me find meaning in each moment… but I appreciate the fact that others like yourself do not share similar interests. LOL

I agree with you though that we should not “live so as to die without fear”… although I am not sure how you reached that conclusion from my statement… unless of course you thought I was suggesting that one should spend ones entire life engaged in philosophical discourse (or blogging for that matter) 🙂

“An individual human existence should be like a river – small at first, narrowly contained within its banks, and rushing passionately past boulders and over waterfalls. Gradually the river grows wider, the banks recede, the waters flow more quietly, and in the end, without any visible break, they become merged in the sea, and painlessly lose their individual being. The man who, in old age, can see his life in this
way, will not suffer from the fear of death, since the things he cares for will continue.” – C.S. Lewis
Micro Mock Engineer | February 17, 2010 at 1:25 AM |

oops… that quote was Bertrand Russell.

Reading a book right now contrasting the lives and philosophies of Russell, Hume and C.S. Lewis.

Despite very different worldviews they all expressed remarkably similar sentiments about aging and death.
Anonymous | February 17, 2010 at 7:16 AM |

MME

can you give me the title of that book? Russell’s quote has a Buddhist or Hindu sensibility to it. I believe (regretfully) when I was younger that I spent too much time on questions on life’s meanings. Now in the high afternoon of my days there is an urgency to taste as much of life as possible before merging into that infinite sea of Nirvana (hopefully).(with a sigh and a smile).
Micro Mock Engineer | February 17, 2010 at 7:44 PM |

Anonymous,

Its called “God and the Reach of Reason: C.S. Lewis, David Hume, and Bertrand Russell”. Here is an Amazon link…

It focuses mainly on critiquing Lewis’ philosophy. While I don’t agree with some of the author’s conclusions, I like the way he puts one of Christianity’s most influential apologetics in conversation with two of its most famous critics.
Anonymous | February 17, 2010 at 7:48 PM |

Thanks MME.
Bush Tea | February 17, 2010 at 9:13 PM |

@ MME
“Frankly, I am a bit disappointed in that last question BT… it is sort of like asking why BBE would waste time with haphazard mechanisms like allowing suffering in the world… surely BBE could create perfect beings ‘just so’ without the need for this drama called life on earth… right? 🙂
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MME, listen to Bush Tea carefully. EVERYTHING you posted above is completely wrong. Please let me explain why.

The problem with your thesis that BBE chose to use evolution as the mechanism for creation is understood by answering the question which I asked and you skilfully skirted…. If scientist could make living human beings directly, would they use ‘in vitro fertilization’ and such methodologies?
…do you now use a slide rule in your design work? It makes no sense.

Secondly, if as you suggest, BBE DID use evolution as his design approach please tell me why the inspired word would explain the concept in’ creation ‘terms of BBE saying ‘ LET THERE BE….and there was….” Do you think that this was done to mislead us? or was it a mistake?

But where you REALLY fall down is in your reference to the ‘drama of life on Earth’ and the suffering and pain involved.

MME, THAT is the real beauty and excellence of the whole project. There are some things that CANNOT BE CREATED ‘just so’….. as you well know.

Life can be created.
Matter can be created
Civilizations can be created

CHARACTER cannot be created ‘just so’. That needs to be forged in a crucible of different and difficult experiences.
Think about it, can you contemplate a more complete and excellent crucible? – designed to facilitate the molding of that special righteous character that is characterized by the ability to LOVE one’s enemies; to pray for those who seek to kill you; to rise above pain and suffering?

For the purpose for which it was built, life on earth is indeed PERFECT in every way…..(as BBE said upon completion of the construction)

….so your assessment of the ‘mechanisms of life such as suffering, as ‘haphazard’ is hugely misguided. Such is the assessment of those to whom ‘life on earth’ represents their be all and end all….. as articulated by Anonymous above.
Micro Mock Engineer | February 17, 2010 at 11:33 PM |

BT, my statement on the mechanisms of life (like suffering) being haphazard was meant to be ‘tongue-in-cheek’… it was made in the context of your referring to evolution as haphazard, which to me is an equally absurd statement.

I don’t believe that evolution is a purposeless trial-and-error process. Nor do I see it as analogous to genetic engineering experiments. While evolution may not be as directly involved in shaping character the same way experiences do, it is one of the observable forces of nature (like gravity) at work in the crucible. It is not THE mechanism, as you put it, but one of many mechanisms at work in the crucible. Reducing my “thesis” (LOL) to one of BBE choosing “to use evolution as the mechanism for creation” was a crafty way of framing my position to shoot it down… you could just as well have said that I believe BBE chose to use gravity as the mechanism for evolution. Do you agree with the theory of gravity, and if so why? If you do, I suspect your reasons would be similar to those I would give in support of evolution.

A look at gravity in more detail may help clear up an issue… there are two ways we look gravity. One is as a fact (i.e. the natural observable phenomenon that objects/masses attract each other) and the other as a theory (right now the best one we have is general relativity/space-time curvature… but just as this replaced Newton’s theory, it too is likely to be replaced as our knowledge improves… maybe String theory will be its successor?). It is similar with evolution… there is the naturally observable phenomenon (from fossil records, and other evidence presented higher up the thread) that biological organisms have evolved from common ancestors over millions of years. Then there is Darwin’s theory of the mechanism, which, like general relativity, may be replaced some day.

BT… I don’t know why you and others consider evolution to be so threatening, or incompatible with the Creation account. As a physical/biological creation, the differences between us and other organisms may appear significant on the surface, but the fact is we are constructed from the same fundamental physical ingredients molded in different ways over time… it is our Soul that makes us unique.

As an aside, when BBE said “let us make man in our image” do you think this referred to our physical bodies?
Micro Mock Engineer | February 17, 2010 at 11:42 PM |

correction…

“you could just as well have said that I believe BBE chose to use gravity as the mechanism for *creation*.”
Anon | February 18, 2010 at 11:46 PM |

New Center at Michigan State U. Will Study Evolution, Both Natural and Digital
By Mary Helen Miller

Computer scientists, biologists, and engineers will work together to study evolution in a new center set to open at Michigan State University in June. The university announced Wednesday that it had recieved a $25-million grant from the National Science Foundation to establish the Bio/computational Evolution in Action Consortium, which will be known as Beacon.

Scientists at Beacon will study evolution as a continuing process, and they will conduct research in the field, in labs, and with computers. They will study digital evolution using self-replicating computer programs that imitate natural evolution. Charles Ofria, an associate professor of computer science and engineering at Michigan State who was heavily involved in establishing Beacon, explained the benefits of studying digital evolution.

“When evolution occurs on a computer, we can record every single thing that happens,” he said. “For example, we can take an evolved digital organism, trace its descent, and see every single mutation.”

Though Beacon will be located at Michigan State, four other universities will be partners in the center: North Carolina A&T State University and the Universities of
Anonymous | March 5, 2010 at 6:08 PM |

MME

today it was announced that scientists believe there is compelling evidence that a single asteroid collision with the earth was responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs. This mass extinction led to the rise of mammals as the dominant species on earth. It would appear that the extinction of the dinosaurs occurred fairly rapidly in about 300 000 years. I believe that biologists claim that other life forms evolved from dinosaurs for example birds. So my question: If dinosaurs were killed off fairly rapidly how is it that that they could have evolved into new species? [My understanding of the evolution of life on earth is probably incomplete if not incorrect so feel free to provide corrections]
Anotoxfa | August 10, 2011 at 10:50 AM |

This is ridicolous, and I’m glad about everyone who doesn’t believe in evolution is outcasted by intelligent people.
The whole truth | February 10, 2012 at 7:32 AM |

It’s no wonder that many people are leaving churches, the cult of christianity, and religion in general when arrogant, sanctimonious, authoritarian, tyrannical Dominionists like Dictionary (Gordon E, Mullings of Montserrat), Zoe, and Georgie Porgie (to name a few), show just how morally bankrupt, two-faced, dishonest, abusive, and delusional, and insane religious zealots are.
old onion bags | February 10, 2012 at 8:04 AM |

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After all the lick and kick the poor atheist got yesterday from the good christian people on Brass Tack…the sore loser chose to run to BU to exalt some console from lame do doers from the back door .This is the worst post in recent times….Peter poor Peter..go find a lonely place in the gym.
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