Notes From a Native Son: The Rise of Supranational Organisations May be Barrack’s Lifeline

Hal Austin

Hal Austin

Introduction:
Excuse me for being a bit more boring than usual this week, but bear with me as the issues I intend to discuss are of central importance to the constitutional and economic future of our tiny island. They impact on the juncture where law, financial services and macroeconomic policy meet. Equally, they may also impact on the disgraceful logjam that is preventing this rogue government from resolving the Bds$70m (and growing) problems it has with property developer Mr Barrack and its stubborn refusal to even treat the gentleman with common courtesy and respect.

But first, recently a leading public commentator criticised the lack of progress on the Caribbean Court of Justice and called for greater support from member-states of Caricom/CSME. This call coincided with a number of developments taking place in the US, Africa, South America and Europe, which have more or less reinforced my suggestion in another place that the Westphalian model of the nation-state is dying on its knees. Supranational organisations – the United Nations, International Criminal Court, etc, are taking control. It is the globalisation of our democratic structures.

Two recent issues have made this quite clear, both involving Argentina, one in Ghana and the other in New York, and they raise serious questions about global governance and the interplay of economic law. The first was the seizing of an Argentinian Naval vessel in Ghana on the injunctive orders a New York court; and, the second, again involving extra-territorial powers of a New York court, ordering Argentina to pay an outstanding debt. Put aside the rather obnoxious tendency of US institutions to believe they rule the world, for a moment, both involved important issues about territoriality, sovereignty and national debt.

Analysis:
In November 82-year-old New York judge Thomas Griesa ordered Argentina to pay fully and promptly all its creditors who had refused to participate in a debt restructuring programme which followed its 2001 default on US$81bn of debt. Most of you would have been aware that for years Argentina has been a rogue nation, refusing to pay its sovereign debt and ignoring the rest of the world. (To my mind with merit, but that is another question).

The debt has been temporarily stayed with a final ruling expected in February, but Judge Griesa’s judgement – on the technical meaning of a pari passu clause (Latin for step by step or side by side) – raised a number of far wider implications. First, it gave victory to so-called Vulture Funds, which in itself is rather controversial, but more importantly, we had a relatively small New York court (the Southern District) giving a judgment that involved a sovereign state, so questions about jurisdiction are also central to the issue. In political terms, the court also intervened in an attempt by the US government to resolve the row behind the scenes and work also being done by the United Nation’s department of economic and social affairs Expert Group to reach an amicable settlement. The problem dates back to 2005, and again in 2010, when Argentina restructured its debt with 93 per cent of its debt holders. The seven per cent who held out formed a class action group in order to retrieve their original debt. However, Argentina had in the meantime passed a law prohibiting the government from paying the seven percent of holdout creditors. This was the4 issue involving the New York court.

Let us now skip to Ghana, where a number of the creditors, also so-called Vulture Funds, armed with a New York court injunction, had the Argentinian Navy frigate impounded in the Ghanaian port. However the court was ordered by the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea to release the vessel as, the ITLS alleged, the court did not have jurisdiction. But before it could do so, the Ghanaian government freed the vessel – again, bringing about a potential conflict between the Ghanaian courts and the government.

Let us pause and reflect on the likelihood of a US court impounding a military vessel from another sovereign state, which was then ordered by an international tribunal to release the vessel. Would the US government have intervened to carry out the instructions of the international tribunal? Just remember that the US does not recognise many of these so-called supranational bodies, such as the International Criminal Court and the International Convention on Human Rights.

Barrack:
Mr Barrack is a locally-based builder who undertook a project on behalf of the government, as an individual or a corporation. Subsequently he has been in dispute with the government over the payment of that debt, now estimated to be about Bds$70m, but growing everyday with growing interest. The bottom line is that the DLP government has effectively subordinated Mr Barrack’s debt, which in itself is prima facie illegal, and has through its behaviour also introduced in practice, if not in law, its own version of the Argentinian Lock Law, which legalised the restructuring, in that it is determined to pay Mr Barrack, but only on its own terms. Again this is illegal, since Mr Barrack should have had preferred creditor status for the work he undertook on the state’s behalf. Certainly he should have been prioritised above the promised guarantee and loan to Four Seasons, for example. This quite clearly is a case crying out for resolution by the moribund CCJ, since the local courts are clearly unable to resolve it, a clear conflict between a corporate citizen and the state. In the US, the Supreme Court prioritises all conflicts of law between state courts, a constitutional role which should have been written in the treaty agreement of the CCJ, giving higher status to legally minor cases such as that of Myrie. In fact, I have argued that the CCJ should not be a court of First Instance, by rather solely the final Appellate Court for Caricom/CSME. But that too is another story.

If the CCJ had such a function, selecting and adjudicating on cases of important conflicts of national law that set a precedent, as a final appellate tribunal, rather than a court of first instance for legally minor cases (and allegations of assault by state employees are minor and should have been resolved within days by disrepute resolution), then its legal importance would have been obvious. As it is, this function is not yet clear to those of us who are not gown-wearing litigation lawyers. But what does all this gobbledegook mean for Mr Barrack’s unpaid loan?

Conclusion:
These cases are not as far removed from each other as they may at first appear (I could have included Greece, but the point has been made). Both involve the recognition of sovereignty and liability and the state’s abuse of its powers not to pay legitimate bills. Mr Barrack, on the advice of his legal and financial advisers, have an opportunity to sell his debt to an overseas private equity or Vulture Fund at a discount, on the principle that it is better to get Bds$50m in cash in his hand, than to hold out for $70mplus which he may never get. Were that to take place, that the government of Barbados runs the real risk of being declared a pariah state and being isolated from the global community.

Had I been asked for my advice, I would advise him that unless the government entered in to serious negotiations and soon, this would be the course to take. The failure to deal with integrity with the Barrack Affair is but a symptom of the decay at the heart of this DLP government. What it shows is that as small island states continue to lose influence in the wider world, in many cases giving way to jumped up so-called non-governmental organisations, they tend to turn inward on their own citizens.

The real challenges, however, are that for the 7000 islands and islets in the Caribbean to have any influence, we must speak with a single voice – Caricom/CSME can only speak for 15, and not even that. It also suggests that we must play a more active role in wider global organisations such as the Commonwealth and United Nations. The alternative, as we have seen, is that the other international treaty-bound tribunals and other organisations, are having a continuous power struggle which, as matters are resolved, continue to isolate the peripheral nations. These are serious matters which should concern the attorney general, minister of finance and the chief justice since if Mr Barrack was to sell his debt to a vulture fund, as suggested, Barbados runs the risk of having its assets held outside Caricom impounded, and maybe even within Caricom.

Maybe it is something that Mr Barrack should consider as it may resolve the debt gridlock in one fell swoop. To protect themselves, government and the central bank would have to introduce a collective action clause in its bond contracts, which in itself would raise a red flag, certainly for retail investors. It may also be too late in terms of the Barrack contract. (A collective action clause would compel investors to go down the route of a voluntary resolution in case of conflict).

There are other questions in financial law such as the legal status of a sovereign bond. Is it a protected investment, or can the state renege on its commitments? Again these are tests for the CCJ. More than that, the CCJ has not got a centralised mechanism for dispute resolutions, thus the conflict between Trinidad and Barbados over fishermen, with Barbados and Jamaica over Myrie, and Barbados and St Vincent over drug running, Barbados and Guyana over the alleged ill treatment of Guyanese citizens in Barbados.

Finally, the Barrack case and those of pensioners and government workers not being paid collectively repudiate the myth of Barbados being the centre of the financial universe. The first principle of being a global or even regional financial centre is that is stable capital flow, based on a voluntary market-based approach.

64 responses to “Notes From a Native Son: The Rise of Supranational Organisations May be Barrack’s Lifeline

  1. Hal, not sure what point you are trying to make here. Sovereign debt is usually entered into by a legit government and various creditors. If a government (Argentina) then mismanaged it’s economy, it’s creditors should not have to pay a price on its devalued investment. I know this sounds simplistic, but in today’s society, financial irresponsibility is an common in governments as individuals. I have no sympathy for those who screwed themselves while lavishly living an unrealistic dream, and then expect others to bail them out.

    You made a passing comment that the situation with Argentina may be “without merit”. That would be a topic for a very entertaining second article. Let’s see how you think a fraudulent default can be justified. I anticipate a hearty liberal left whine on how the big bad world beat up on the Argentine people, where in fact, it’s own government screwed its people and it’s elites continue to live well regardless of party affiliation. Sounds like Bim on steroids, don’t you think?

    I do agree with you on Barrack. This has gone on through two administrations and is an embarrassment to Bim and our laws.

  2. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS

    thus the conflict between Trinidad and Barbados over fishermen, with Barbados and Jamaica over Myrie, and Barbados and St Vincent over drug running, Barbados and Guyana over the alleged ill treatment of Guyanese citizens in Barbados Guyanese citizens in Barbados@@@You for got one MORE NATIVE SON THAT IS BIGGER THAN ALL PUT TOGETHER. ,,THE MASSIVE FRAUD OF THE BLP AND THE DLP OF THE EASTATE OF BEATRICE HENRY TO VIOLET BECKLES.
    NATIVE SON, GO BACK AND DO THE NUMBERS ON THAT ONE ,
    Do the Native Son think this is a non issue unless another court out side looks at it, If you are a Bajan how can even you turn a blind eye to this injustice. Local born fraud at you front door or even under your feet.
    Barrack issue is also build on the Estate land of Violet Beckles , Must she also not to be paid? The building that will cost the govt over 70m, what about the trespass then of 70m and then to cost of the land to the Estate and Violet Heirs,.

    PLEASE REPLY WITH YOUR LONG TALK ABOUT OTHER NATIONS AND COURTS.
    If any one have to go to court out side Barbados so be it , for there is nothing on the inside of Barbados, with the lawyers QCs, SIRs MPs, PMs , AGs and the GG ,The bigger the title the bigger the crook.
    Study this Native Son , take care of home first and go to the land registry and then the Archives to see if you have a CLEAR TITLE FOR WHERE YOU LIVE . LOOK FOR ROOT TITLE FROM THE PLANTATION DEEDS TO NOW , UNLESS YOU HAVE A GOOD FRAUD TITLE YOUR SELF AT A GOOD PRICE FROM THE CROOKS.
    S&P AND MOODYS DOWN GRADE BARBADOS TO JUNK STATUS IS TELLING YOU SOME THING ,, YOU BETTER LOOK AND NOT WITH A BLIND EYE.
    REPLY IF YOU CAN

  3. millertheanunnaki

    @ Hal Austin:
    “Mr Barrack, on the advice of his legal and financial advisers, have an opportunity to sell his debt to an overseas private equity or Vulture Fund at a discount, on the principle that it is better to get Bds$50m in cash in his hand, than to hold out for $70mplus which he may never get. Were that to take place, that the government of Barbados runs the real risk of being declared a pariah state and being isolated from the global community.”

    This route of selling the debt was recommended to Mr. Barrack since 2011 and opportunities were indeed available. This is the only way this rogue administration will adhere to the rulings of its own Courts.
    By going the overseas factoring route any pussyfooting by the Barbados government (whether under a DLP or BLP administration) would be met with swift recovery action in the UK or USA courts. All monies owed by the aircraft or cruise ships to the ports of entry of Barbados will be immediately “escrowed” into a special account until the debt is fully repaid along with the exorbitant legal fees and associated charges.

    We are sure the Barbados government will immediately pay up to the factoring house to avoid such a nasty internationally embarrassing episode being played out to ‘blacken’ the already fading name of this country in the world of international finance and severely harming its international business sector.

    Mr. Barrack continues to project himself as a fool in this matter and being manipulated by both political parties and exploited by the legal parasites. You can bet that both parties will soon be promising ad nauseam prompt settlement. Giving ironclad assurances on the campaign soapboxes that as soon as either one is elected in the coming elections Barrack will receive his money.

    Mr. Barrack, please heed the advice given by Hal and others on this blog. Sell your debt to an international factoring house or to some other “overseas private equity or Vulture Fund at a discount”.
    Don’t expect justice from the local corrupt justice system and the political con artists with their lawyer pimps.

  4. This time we find ourselves generally in agreement with the writer. Though we may have some concerns about some of his conclusions, he has done a well though out contribution that critically connects some vital issues in connected environments. His thesis correctly points to the rise of undemocratic forces of global government, the weakening of the nation state and uncovers the rise of a vicious private sector led hegemony which directs elected governments. These are the forces that are able to order the government of Barbados to raid the NIS – the savings of the people of Barbados – as part of a global strategy for the mass transfer of public goods into the hands of global oligarchs while at the same time refusing to pay powerless people like Barrack.

  5. @Pacha

    What does it say when people in a democracy feels no outrage at the fact a court order is being flouted by the government who by definition is the people? A paradox if ever there was one.

  6. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS

    Barrack need to go and lock the Doors of the building , and rent out space as a new Mall. or
    Do what the other crooks do , Insure the building with CLICO and then burn it down.

  7. Both government administrations have faced an abundance of some very ugly and out-of-control things. Barack is just one of them. Barbados embarrasses itself if Barack sells his debt or not.

  8. @ David
    Hal’s point about the Westphalian ‘understanding’ of 1648 is highly instructive. For neither option has worked. We are all reverting to serfdom. They will be a few people who have everthing and the rest of us, nothing. As far as we are concerned words like ‘democracy’ and ‘freedom’ are merely public relations gimmics for it is really fascism that has always been the order of the day. Dont you see Europe heading for The Dark Ages again. The world has never had a just and universal goverance system and it never will.

  9. Mr. Austin deserves full credit for lifting the discussion pertaining to this large national blot on governance and the rule of law. Mr. Barrack should be paid immediately. Once more the collective BLP/DLP has clearly shown a vicious disregard for a citizen of our nation.

  10. So far nothing about Barrack, Four Seasons or Almond. Perhaps on the campaign trail it will come.

  11. @ Hal Austin; David (B.U.); and EVERY BAJAN CITIZEN

    I just read an article that was dated by the 21st of December in 2012 from the Caribbean Journal that has made me quite nervous. We all anticipated the oncoming degradation of Barbados’ credit scores from multinational credit rating agencies such as Standard & Poor’s. But it is to my regret to announce that as of last month, credit rating agency Moody’s has officially demoted Barbados’ Government Bonds to Junk Status. The article is titled “Barbados’ Bonds Downgraded to “Junk” Status by Moody’s”, and is pretty self explanatory; here’s the link to the article:

    http://www.caribjournal.com/2012/12/21/barbados-bonds-downgraded-to-junk-status-by-moodys/

    I am n ow worried as to what the immediate and long term implications of such a demotion would have on Bim’s overall economic performance. It must be noted that this news did not make national headlines in Bim’s national business news outlets such as “Business Barbados”. Shockingly however, the likes of Nation News, Barbados Today, and the Bajan Reporter all have reported on the recent downgrade. The most vocal of the three coming from Bajan Reporter’s “CENTRAL BANK OF BARBADOS RESPONDS TO MOODY’S RATING REPORT”. Barbados Today’s article titled “Central Bank Warns Against Quick Fiscal Fix”, was most critical of Central Bank head Governor DeLisle Worrell’s response to the downgrade as being too slow (if not incompetent). If anything, Governor Worrell’s response to this matter essentially TRIVIALIZES the SEVERITY of this recent downgrade to our NATION’S credit score (http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2012/12/21/central-bank-warns-against-quick-fiscal-fix/).

    That being said, I believe that it would be appropriate for me to make it known that officially; the alarms have been sounded Bim can expect a very hard (if not tumultuous) year in 2013, as our elected administrative representatives have officially demonstrated their BLATANT INEPTITUDE and INABILITY to properly and effectively deal with this brewing crisis in a SWIFT and PRUDENT manner. Governor Worrell and the likes of him have made this nation into a two-bit rust bucket of an economy with no future. Bim might as well be on a course for recolonization, as these BACKWARD THINKING “LEADERS” have clearly demonstrated a lack of seriousness, diligence, competence, and visionary innovation. Governor Worrell has effectively compromised Bim’s LONG TERM STABILITY by squarely zeroing in on half-assed “plans” that only focus on Bim’s Short and Medium term survival. The lag on part of the government to completely revamp Bim’s Education System in accordance to global trends along with our politician’s inability to overhaul our Agricultural, Manufacturing, and Financial sectors speaks to the level of incompetence and mediocrity that has now developed into Barbados’ brand; garnered internationally by multinational credit firms.

    It should be expected that Standard & Poor’s and other likewise will soon follow suit with Moody’s assessment. Bajans must be prepared for a long road ahead; for no one in government seems to be willing nor able to effectively steer our nation off this self destructive course. We have notable figures who wallow in their own “prominence” with little to show for it. Bajans have a penchant for valuing those with “credentials” that demonstrate that they are “qualified”. And yet as a result, Bajans have this innate avoidance in avidly scrutinizing their elected officials because they feel that they cannot challenge self proclaimed “experts” that have papers (ie. degrees & diplomas) to ‘back’ them. We have become a nation that values one’s titles before even bothering to look at his applied merits. A nation in which one’s title speaks before a man’s actions is a nation destined for definite FAILURE. It reflects highly in our culture, and its a POOR STANDARD to live by (no pun intended).

    Bajans are now at a crossroads. Do we take to the streets and rally for immediate swift actions and overhauls of our nation’s economy and administration? Or do we continue to “PRAY” on our asses to the man upstairs for something to spontaneously come about and carry Bim on for another 5 years?

    I would say that I have faith in Bajans, but I believe that the masses are too far gone in terms of critically scrutinizing every move of our elected officials. Hence, I project that the Bajan people will continue to DO NOTHING and COMPLAIN about their growing hardships. I wish my Bajan brethren the best of luck on their feats to come. For it seems that they will need all the prayers they can get.

  12. Colonel Buggy

    The National Housing Corporation (NHC) will shortly be taking possession of the 50 Million office block in Warrens, built by JADA Construction. What are the chances of JADA ending up in a position like Mr Al Barrack, with the government withholding paynement?

  13. “One smart dead at two smart door.”

    In Bushies opinion, It is important to take a wholistic look at these situations raised before drawing conclusions.
    We have situations where those involved are dishonest to begin with. Where tricksters work scams, which backfire no them, allowing other tricksters to then work THEIR scams…..
    It is hard for a Bushman not to conclude that a thief from a thief makes God laugh….

    Argentina, exploited international goodwill and loans to live way beyond their means. When the inevitable caught up with them, they were unable to escape some of the international loan sharks who make their living off buying up such bad debts.

    Who is Bushie to feel sorry for…?

    Barrack got together with persons so far unknown in high political circles and ‘won’ a contract for a Job that was out of his league.
    When the inevitable caught up with him, he was able to convince the “Barbados Courts system” to award him millions of dollars.

    The “Barbados Court system” is an interesting creature. it is almost synonymous with the Barbados LEGAL system and with the Barbados POLITICAL system….. Forming an UNHOLY TRINITY.

    The net result of the whole Barrack exercise will be that the original (unknown high level) group will benefit to the tune of millions of dollars at taxpayers expense.
    Bushie smells a rat!

    Who should the bushman feel sorry for?….. only taxpayers!

    What we should be ashamed of, is our poor standard of governance, the pathetic reputation of our Law systems and courts, and our declining industry and productivity.

  14. @ Bush Tea

    That said, What are we to do with the likes of DeLisle Worrell? he has become a blemish on this nation’s arse. Soon, he will be conceding to the demands of international organizations. This is an outcome that I would like for Bim to avoid, yet I cannot say that I feel “sorry” for Bim. Bajan masses need to realize this on their own. Unfortunately, it’l be too late by the time they do.

  15. @Miller
    By going the overseas factoring route any pussyfooting by the Barbados government (whether under a DLP or BLP administration) would be met with swift recovery action in the UK or USA courts
    ***********************
    So Miller he could collect in the USA? Where did you learn that? I know you are an expert on all topics but you fell short on this one. Have you heard of the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act? Will you get your congressman to sponsor a bill to overturn that Act?

    Some American citizens couldn’t even collect from Gaddafi after they sued and won over Lockerbie bombing and you know that there was no love lost between the USA and Gaddafi. There have been other law suits (successful in the Courts) against other Gov’ts but the State Dept. always puts the kibosh on collecting.

    Here is something to read (You’re Welcome).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Sovereign_Immunities_Act

  16. Maybe our leaders’ strategy is to hope for another Clinton and Mulroney (Canadian) style bail out of our debt to reset the balance sheet to zero. I was on the island when this went down in the late 90s and remember the jubilation among friends and relatives. I am sure the next week, the Govt was back in the development loan game starting to rack up new debt.

    No one seemed to understand the personal responsibility and loss of face of accepting such a hand out, no leadership from Govt to take advantage of the situation and over forward in a different direction.

  17. @ Sargeant

    The excerpt that you extracted from Brother Miller’s statement pertains to what the possible impacts could be should the Bajan government actually acknowledge and uphold its payment of Barrack’s debt. That said, it is in the best interest of the government to remain solidly firm on its stance in issuing a locked agreement with Al Barrack. If the government were to repay its debts to Barrack, then companies/organizations and indeed the Canadian and U.S. governments alike would use that as precedent to also recover debt from Barbados. Note how Miller also made mention that Canada and America can do this by placing sanctions (whether direct or indirect) upon Bim. Hence why Bim cannot renege on its decisions.

  18. Here is an audio clip of a lecture given on Former President of Singapore Lee Kuan Yew and his impressions of Black African leaders shortly after the Commonwealth had gained “independence”:

    http://archive.org/details/TheCrisisOfLeadershipInAfricaTheObservationsOfLeeKwanYew

    Lee Kuan Yew made many deep assessments of the leadership of Black African leaders as well as Black leaders in the Caribbean after meeting with them at conferences in the 1960’s. Lee Kuan Yew was not impressed at all with the leaders he had met, and in his book “From Third World to First: The Singapore story”; he was already certain that the African Diaspora was destined for failure due to our people’s penchant tendencies to value titles over merit and our MISPLACED PRIORITIES. I strongly urge you all to listen to the audio clip, and to read His Excellency Lee Kuan Yew’s book. It is a FASCINATING read, and one that is both sobering, enlightening, as well as empowering. Bim cannot talk of becoming like Singapore unless we the Bajan people hold our politicians to full account and demand that they get our nation’s priorities straight! Barbadians and other Africans (YES, WE ARE AFRICANS) love to hail Singapore as an example of development without even the slightest clue as how to apply it context to our own domestics.

    There is much to be said and learned from Lee Kuan Yew. He is a clever and Brilliant man that has immense insight. I truly do look at him as an ICON along with Marcus Garvey and Malcom X. It is time Bajans and Blacks the world over WAKE UP and realize that we MUST unite together and COLLABORATE on making a change for ourselves, starting with focusing on developing our OWN industries; not rely on handouts and donations from the world.

    I believe Our Politicians coud use A GOOD FEW LECTURES from his Excellency LKY!! There is much to learn, and so much to do!!! I brim with both empowerment and frustration as I witness my Bajan people, MY BLACK PEOPLE settling for living on the margins. It is a condition I want to DESTROY and ERADICATE from this GREAT RACE!

  19. @Brudah-Bim

    Thanks for the audio. Two little titbits which resonated, zero tolerance to corruption and they import all their food yet prices are low.

    Yes his view about the mentality of African leaders accords with many and explains the current state of things in Africa.

  20. Be careful what you wish for: we are to salute Lee Kuan Yew, are We???

    “Lee Kuan Yew’s Ethnic Preference”
    “So how has Lee Kuan Yew’s racial views been made manifest?
    He strongly associates Race with genes culture and economic success. The Government under his control has shaped Singapore accordingly. For example, he has refused to spend large sums on “affirmative action” in a futile attempt to raise the standard in [dark skined] Malays and other ethnic groups, thinking that these are largely a waste of money when the problem of their underperformance is fundamentally genetic. Furthermore, since the problem is genetic, such expenditure is unjust to and discriminatory against more able ethnicities, especially the Chinese. Huge sums have been wasted and untold disruption of peoples lives has occurred in the USA and elsewhere in discriminatory affirmative action in respect of blacks which have been largely useless in improving their socio-economic status”.
    Lee Kuan Yew: Race Realist of Singapore
    _ _ _ _ _
    If we believed the colonists view of the Chinese in the 18th & 19th Centuries that their condition of poverty was due to their “genes”; they could not be the world power they are today. Their genes are the same now but their economic and social condition – in the main – are different.

  21. lee kuan yew might have brought singapore from the depth of economical doomsday but there is alot about his method in way of progress that makes me shudder.

  22. @Yardbroom

    Can we agree that underlying Singapore’s success was a man leading with a vision supported by a disciplined people? There will always be the negative things which you shouldn’t ignore but…

  23. people are our natural resources .we educated them then we let them go to build other countries economies. what we should ask ourselves what is it our people have to offer before we let them go. for it is obvious that other countries embraced them and is knowelagable of being able to tap into their resources . why haven’t our govt able to do so.

  24. What is Yardbroom’s point? There are even some well placed Blacks who believe that our race is hopeless when it comes to the ability to marshall economic success as a race.
    What is the big deal about Lee Kuan Yew having such a belief?
    Does Yardbroom have any evidence that he was even wrong?
    As he said, such a belief was held of the Chinese too…all they did was to prove it wrong.

    Like, Jeff Broomes, Lee, MLK, Barrow and Caswell all have their faults…..(hell even Bushie have faults 🙂 ). We need to judge leaders by the RESULTS that they are able to achieve and NOT by such petty weaknesses or habits or personality differences that we may not like.

    In ANY meritocracy, Lee stands out as a global GIANT.

  25. In ANY meritocracy, Lee stands out as a global GIANT.

    some day in the not too distant future You will retract that comment.!

  26. @ David
    There is merit in what you say but the suggestion that a group of people should forever be thought of as inferior [often dark skined] because it is in their “genes” without any substantive evidence to back it up does not ring true with me. . . the world has been there before.

    – – – – –
    Hi Ac January 12, 2013 @ 7:12am
    You have grasped a fundamental point that escapes many. Those from our shores who have immigrated and done well were often unshackled from the petty divisions that unfortunately we harbour.
    – – – – – –
    Hi Bush Tea January 12, 2013 @ 7:23am
    If you have faults they have escaped me. (smile)

    You wrote: ” As he said, [not he, Yardbroom did] such belief was held on the Chinese too. . . all they did was prove it wrong”.

    You have arrived at a false logic: It was not right in the first place.
    [Bush tea, don’t tell me we are going to have one of those weekends] (Smile)

  27. @ Yardbroom
    Yesterday Bushie complained about missing Old Onions. Obviously you are seeking to fill his shoes… However, you don’t have what it takes to replace OOB. 🙂
    By now you must have re-read your last post and realized that you pressed ‘sent’ prematurely….. Indeed you pressed send instead of delete.

    How do you mean Bushie ‘have arrived at a false logic?’ Where did the bushman say that the belief held of the Chinese was right? All that was said was that the belief was HELD and obviously it is no longer held because the CHINESE proved it to that’ve been wrong.

    If you prove something to have been wrong, then by default that means that it was wrong in the first place.

    When Blacks do likewise, it will be clear that Lee was also wrong. Until then, what evidence do you possess that can be used to convict the man for his belief? PERHAPS HE IS RIGHT! ?

    Do YOU have another explanation for our plight?

    (LOL…..of course you can always ask Bushie who will be only too glad to explain….)

    Don’t know about your weekend, but Bushie’s should be GREAT!!!!

  28. @Yardbroom

    Lee can believe whatever, it is up to ‘us’ to achieve and by our achievements ‘Lee’s opinions’ can be challenged.

  29. his radfical views are a part of what help to develop singapore .most of which those who think that the ends justify the means would find abhorrant in a democracy.

  30. millertheanunnaki

    @ Yardbroom:

    “Do YOU have another explanation for our plight?”

    We keenly await your response to the above question posed by Bushie.
    But we very much doubt if you are capable with out the red herrings to sweep to the trash heap in the corner of the yard.

  31. @ac

    The problem with your argument is that you speak in absolutes. This is right and this is wrong. Real life is not black and white to way you paint it. Yes models which we have to learn from and share best practices have flaws BUT there are learnings to be had nevertheless.

  32. We have become an indiscipline and corrupt country, a dictator style political system will be rejected. We may have to sink to the very bottom of the barrel before anything can be done and it will be too late. Drugs and guns are very commonplace in homes. Just recently Police did a raid on a house in my area and found a quantity of drugs and 3 guns. There are too many prominent citizens involved in underground crime. We will further implode if drastic measures are not taken. BUT there is NO ONE to do so.

  33. @islandgal

    You neglected to mention that a recent report uncovers – 9-years old – there is substance abuse taking place in our primary schools.

    What will be the implication?

  34. @ AC
    “his radfical views are a part of what help to develop singapore .most of which those who think that the ends justify the means would find abhorrant in a democracy.”

    A man dedicated to the economic transformation of his third rate two-bit rust bucket of a country into a GLOBAL ECONOMIC/FINANCIAL HUB at least deserves to savor the fruits of his labour. His Excellency LKY spent over 50 years of his 89 years on this planet transforming his poverty stricken homeland into a tiny yet POWERFUL GLOBAL PLAYER. Indeed there are things about his tactics and rationale I do not agree with. For god sake, the man has an undeniable air of arrogance to him. But as far as I see it; he DESERVES that right to be arrogant. He literally instilled pride in his people and created industry in that tiny Island. And he was dedicated to Installing a sense of rationality amongst his people through EDUCATION and CULTURALISM. Is he a racist? Perhaps. Can his applied methods be considered “Humanistic” and Just? May be not. But I cannot knock this man for actually APPLYING HIS GENIUS on a level that not just benefited him, but ultimately a COLLECTIVE SOCIETY.

    Yes Singapore has a lot of social issues to work out when it comes to race, but Singapore is still at the global forefront in terms of being a melting pot. Interracial marriages in Singapore are HIGHLY PREVALENT and is projected to continue rising. I urge ALL PEOPLE OF AFRICAN DESCENT to read his book “From Third World to First: The Singapore Story: 1965-2000”. This should be our bible as to how we MUST innovate our OWN MODEL of Development.

  35. @ David (B.U.)

    “Yes his view about the mentality of African leaders accords with many and explains the current state of things in Africa.”

    Let us not forget that it also applies to the Caribbean Especially (ie. Jamaica, Haiti, etc.) We too are on the periphery, and must realize that we as a region must act Collectively and swiftly to secure our future. That time is supposed to be NOW. But we as a people tend to drag our feet.

  36. @Brudah-Bim

    Agreed, the Caribbean has problems, Barbados, Jamaica and St. Kitts from memory are listed in the top 10 indebted countries in the world. Many of the other islands are not far off. The global recession has destroyed wealth/gains accumulated over the last 30 years in 3-4 short years. The economic model which we continue to rely on coupled with rising consumption behaviour is failing us. Who will step up?

  37. @ David (B.U.)
    “The economic model which we continue to rely on coupled with rising consumption behaviour is failing us. Who will step up?”

    What to do indeed. Sadly I am only a college student. I despise not having the right resources to initiate swift action….

  38. Hi Bush Tea,
    I seek not to fill old onion’s shoes – Bless him, a very appealing onion and clever – but with most onions [not ours] when you peel back the layers, there is nothing, no heart, no core nothing at the centre.

    You added:” All that was said was that the belief was HELD and obviously it is no longer held because the Chinese proved it to that’ve been wrong”

    It would have been better because of its importance if it had NOT been said.
    You continued: “When blacks do likewise, it will be clear that Lee was also wrong”.

    Blacks as a race on this earth are not on trial by anyone and no other race has a “RIGHT” to put us on trial, because of who we are.

    You continued: ” PERHAPS HE IS RIGHT” !?
    You have finally nailed the problem “the” perhaps” does not negate it.

    I can hear the waves calling me, I must go for my walk along the sands. Keep sweet my friend, keep sweet.
    – – – –
    Hi millertheanunnaki January 12, 2012 @ 8:44am
    Despite my having to go, it would be impolite not to respond to your question.

    First: Keep calm, relax, there is no fight, it is just a discussion; be of even temper my friend.
    The meeting of races in Africa , Australia, North America and other places in most instances proved to the disadvantage of the native peoples, from those first encounters perceptions were formed. On return to their native countries from stories told and books written the perceptions took root and were enlarged upon and reinforced. Any student of history who has read early works knows how imaginations ran wild and fed an unknowing public.

    The blacks were always having to “prove” themselves. . . .they even were required to prove they were even human. Centuries of problems – some self inflicted – cannot be turned around at a stroke.

    Even THE BUSH TEA cannot do that (smile)
    Only Love. Ah gone.

  39. @islandgal

    “You neglected to mention that a recent report uncovers – 9-years old – there is substance abuse taking place in our primary schools.

    What will be the implication?”

    David the implication is that if our children are addicted at an early age then the whole generation will be lost.

  40. Minister Chris Sinckler and Minister Michael Lashley are on public record stating that the Barrack matter will be solved ‘soon’. Months have elapsed since the assurances. With a general election to be called latest 12 February, can we call these gentlemen liars? To spice it up a little, Peter Wickham – close fiend of Sinckler et al’ stated on a talk show a few months ago that his information is an announcement was imminent, perhaps the same day. This was months ago. Form your conclusions.

  41. Yes ! david there are things such as “Freedom” and individual rights i see in black and white no “grey” in between and when govt becomes the oppressor in their quest to achive sucess they have failed. from the outsider looking in all they see is a success but underneath all the sucess is/another story to be told one riddle in deceit but showing a picture that says otherwise.

  42. @ac

    You are confusing the issues: some here are saying that there are some takeaways from the Singapore model which can inform how we build out ours i.e discipline and strong leadership/vision/housing/transportation etc. Which is different to condoning Lee’s beliefs. What is so hard to understand?

  43. millertheanunnaki

    @ Yardbroom | January 12, 2013 at 10:11 AM |
    “The blacks were always having to “prove” themselves .they even were required to prove they were even human. Centuries of problems – some self inflicted – cannot be turned around at a stroke.”

    So Bushie asked you for an explanation of the plight of the black race and you respond with the typical ‘victim mentality’ syndrome. Blaming other races for the sorry state of affairs. The white man burden is now becoming the Chinese burden. Why not look inside for the source of the black man’s own problems. Check the so-called educated blacks in Barbados and see who is to blame. Check the Afro-Americans and their wastage of the opportunities offered through Affirmative Action policies. Are going to frame your response in the form of an academic exercise in futility and blame the white man “System”?

    When you return from your relaxing walk on the beach you might be in the right frame of mind to elucidate on what you mean by reference to your following statement instead of any concern about the miller chomping at the bit:

    “On return to their native countries from stories told and books written the perceptions took root and were enlarged upon and reinforced.”

    Could you give examples of these books and perceptions?
    Would you include Christianity which glorifies slavery and subservience from the days of Noah & thecurse of Ham as told in the King James’s version of the Judean book of myths and legend as part of that brainwashing process to make blacks feel inferior in all aspect of life except music and sports?

    It’s just a discussion so no need for ad hominems. The miller has already taken his daily sedatives so he can take any drivel coming his way (LOL!!).

  44. @Miller

    There is merit in your comment but you cannot knock the reality that the characteristics of the culture of a people will greatly influence behaviours. This must be factored, which is what Lee was referring to.

  45. How can one not undrstand that inany society that there is a “semblance of good” however i am not confusing the issue i am openly pointing out the differences.

  46. @ Plantation DeedI

    I am not a lawyer, but I fully support your campaign for clarity in the rightful ownership of the title you are protesting about.
    What I can say is that Barbados law is rather underdeveloped, both in terms of case law and particularly in terms of theory.
    The principle in English law (which Barbados law claims to be its genesis) is simple: a vendor not in possession of legal title cannot therefore pass on a legal title.
    In simple terms, assuming that Violet Beckles had a legal title, then her estate must start at the point at which the title was allegedly taken from her. It is not rocket science.
    I suggest you start at the Archives ad the other state records in your search for rightful ownership. Once that is done you apply to the high court for possession; failing that there is a fast-track procedure to the CCJ.
    It is an ideal case for final year law students to become involved in in a pro bono way. But I doubt it.

  47. Miller you need to stop trying to debunk history in the face of all that has been presented relating to blacks and slavery physchologically and politically up to present yes blacks have been victims because of charcters traits which have been taught or learned by the slave masters which is still visibly evident in their character. Blacks struggle to reach Utopia is in constrast to what they wish for their own people as they have to make a consceintious decision as to which masters they will serve.

  48. Hal Austin wrote “It is an ideal case for final year law students”

    It is also an ideal case for any Barbadian Lawyer who claims to be of good character and competence to offer his/her services to review this situation with a view to ensure that justice is served.

    The Barbados Bar Association should also be investigating. Plantation deeds should photocopy all his documents and send them to the Bar Association.

    The information shown on this blog suggest that there is the strong possibility of fraud by some of the parties whose names appear in the documents shown or attempted fraud by the blogger Plantation Deeds.

  49. Brudah Bim Thank you for alerting us about Lee Kwan Yew . I listened to the presentation and I MUST get that book. I recommend that book be put on the literature list in schools and universities in the Caribbean. The African Leaders and Caribbean leaders share many things in common. They lack true leadership, integrity and pedigree. Even though we are aware of these shortcomings of our political leaders it was very difficult to hear that coming from an outsider. Lee was a very perceptive leader with his assertion of Caribbean and African Leaders with very few exceptions. Still nothing has changed. I will order this book and read it thoroughly. It has piqued my interest. Thank you again

  50. @ Isandgal246

    You are too kind my dear Island gem. I deeply thank you for your insight on this matter. There is plenty this man has to say not just about the “leaders” of the Black African diaspora, but I also appreciate how he criticizes the West and their pervasive grasp on “global” institutions that only served them at the end of the day. A truly clever man that I admire for his determination to not see his people fall prey to such a system. It is a shame that we cannot say the same for the ragged Fat catted crooks in that poor excuse of a parliament. I’d say that Bajans must unite quickly and protest outside the doors of parliament while presenting a referendum of demands; but I know that our laid-back attitude has led us to become lackadaisical as a society, leading to little that is ever actually done.

    I’m praying that the sh*t doesn’t hit the fan too hard for Bim. But then again, it looks like we’re well on our way for a Sh*t-storm indeed.

  51. @BB

    i glad u and island greeing.lol

  52. Tomorrow’s Sunday Sun is reporting that the government has finally agreed to a sell/lease back deal of $60 million which should see Barrack getting his money 90 days later. Obviously this transaction has been timed nicely for government. The political games people play.

  53. The political games people play

    Elections. Politicians.Political games.

    Happens in every Democratic country in the world.

    Barbados is not utopia.

  54. @Hants

    How can Barbados be a model if we benchmark only to what exist?

    Are you suggesting we cannot surpass others?

  55. @David

    it is good a settlement has been reached, but i am mad as hell that the people of barbados is saddled with this bill and who should be held responsible for this wanton waste of taxpayer’s money?. Goeroge Payne et al.

  56. Same result.

  57. David asks “Are you suggesting we cannot surpass others?”

    Yes.

    When I have the time I will explain.

  58. millertheanunnaki

    @ To the Point | January 12, 2013 at 10:48 PM |

    What settlement what? It is not a case of any negotiated settlement but purely the final realization by a rogue administration that it must obey the Court’s Order or be totally ostracized in the international financial markets.

    You can bet this Barrack debt and this administration’s brazen flouting of the law was one of the causes leading to this country’s credit rating downgrade.
    The Barrack debt was established by the Court of Appeal and this current administration failed to lodge further objections.

    But the questions to be asked are:
    Where is the money coming from? The NIS? The proceeds from the recent sale of BNB shares?
    Will this debt be provided for in the Estimates soon to be debated and how will it be financed ? By additional borrowings?

  59. @Miller

    why didnt ur govt honour the debt, having created the monster?

  60. @Miller

    the same place the money is coming from to pay for the debts created for the coast guard, the high way, mia’s prison, gems etc. That that ponzi debsts ur govt left for us to service. hope u got the drift.